LNC Catches a Man Cold

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the largen or Drunk Collider podcast.
The podcast SAIDs all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us, and how very excited we are
about them. I'm aerial cast and with me as always.
Is he ever delightful? Jonathan Strickland, I.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Don't remember one end of the microphone. He talks in too.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I know you had a nice, good long break.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, yeah, that part with me that that break started
at the end of August beginning of September and then
lasted through almost the entire month of September. But that
was not our plan. That was due to h I
got sick after by my vacation. It was one of
those things where I was around too many people in

(00:55):
an enclosed space, first a cruise ship and then an airplane,
and I just got a really nasty cold that laid
me low. I wasn't it wasn't covid, It wasn't anything serious,
but it was one of those where I was like
snotty and coughing and just felt like achy, and so
it wasn't. It wasn't flu or covid, but it was

(01:16):
enough to I had a man cold, y'all. If you
know the if you know the man cold story, you
know that if a man gets a cold, he's laid
low for like a week.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean, I feel like I also went through it
because before Dragon Con. Thankfully, it ran through me quickly,
because my husband caught a man cold and then I
was like, well, I have shows. So he slept in
the basement like a champ, and I asked whenever we were
around me, like we still hung out because like we

(01:47):
share a house, we both work from home, right, and
he's not going to go into the office when he's sick.
So like when we did watch TV or have dinner together,
I would mask and he would mask, so I thought
I was clear. And then when he was feeling better,
I took my mask off and I got a little
bit of his man called I think it's just like
it's like social social muscles. You build these muscles that

(02:09):
we all lost during the pandemic, and I feel like
I also lost my sickness muscles, like it's just a cold.
It's fine. Now, I'm like, oh my god, it's a cold.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, I was. I got to I got
to the stage where I was coughing hard enough that
it was making me feel nauseated, like I wasn't sick
to my stomach otherwise, it was just from the coughing
that that was causing it.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Like activates your gag reflegs or something that.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Was no fun. That was the worst, but that was
that was like literally the last night of it being bad, right,
Like that's the worst it got. And the next day
I was like, oh, I kind of feel like how
I felt two days ago, like I'm not feeling great,
but I'm feeling better, and then gradually it improved. I
still am a little raspy, and I might hit mute

(03:00):
couple of times in order to clear my throat because
talking gets me that way.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I've already done it twice.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, yeah, it'll happen. But we are glad to be back.
We're so sorry that we left all of y'all without
our dulcet tones for so long.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean, like legitimately I missed doing this. And part
of it is because you know, I love you, Jonathan,
but part of it is because I love our listeners. Like,
you guys are so cool. You're just so cool. Every
time that we get to chat or you said us something,
You're just awesome.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So yeah, I mean, you know, at the end of
the day, we are geeks and we love to geek out.
And it's true, like the more people you have around
you who are geeking out about stuff, the more fun
it is. Like that's why like everything from rocky horror
screenings to going to a midnight premiere of like a
geek movie. That's what makes those events so much fun

(03:55):
is that you just got this communal group of people
celebrating in something that they love. And so we're both
very glad that we're back now.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yes, yes, and there. So our episode this week is
like a hodgepodge of the last few weeks of cool
geeky stories that have come out, because there's been a lot.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah. Actually we both had to go through and cut
a ton of stuff out of the lineup because we
just had so much from the past few weeks where yeah,
there was a lot of important things, like you know,
we had a bit where we acknowledge the passing of

(04:40):
Robert Redford, for example, who has appeared in numerous projects,
some of which fall into the geek sphere. But again,
like it's been so it's been enough time since his
passing that that is like I think everyone's aware of it, right,
So while we do acknowledge it and send our love

(05:01):
and thoughts to his friends and family, we're not spending
more time on it simply because I think everybody's processed
that by now. So we've got a lot of those elements.
There's still some stuff on the lineup where we're like, Okay,
we know we've talked about this before, but it's too
fun to skip, so we're gonna do it again.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. But before we get into all
of the fun stuff that we didn't want to skip,
let's talk about the fun stuff that we did.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh. But before that, Oh, I have to ask you a.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Question you too, shade my toochee. Look, thank you for
remembering the format of our show. I need to add
question to the top of art outline.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah yeah, I almost forgot, except when I started to
make up my notes, I was like, wait, something usually
goes right here. So the question for you, I believe
this is another one that I've asked you before. But again,
are our tastes in this case literally can change over time?
And the question is, since we're now firmly headed into

(06:05):
spooky season, what, in your opinion is the best candy
to receive while you are trick or treating during Halloween.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
So normally my answer has been like a Reese's peanut
butter cup followed by a butterfinger.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh gosh, those are my answers too. I would flip
the order.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Oh interesting, not recent pieces because as we talked about
on our old episode of Business on the Brink, it
doesn't have the same burnt peanut flavor as a res
peanut butter cup. That's what makes recent peanut butter cum
so successful. If you've never listened to that episode, it's
actually really cool. You don't even have to listen to us.
You could just go google it, but it's a really interesting story. However,

(06:46):
my new favorite addiction, which I think is like half
of the universe's new favorite addiction, is freakin freeze driede candy.
I don't know anybody who would give it out as
like a Halloween treat because it's pretty pricey still because
you're paying or the candy, plus you're paying for the
freeze dried process. And it's usually small batch because you know,
you don't only do so much at a time. But

(07:06):
like a freeze dride high chew or a freeze dried
gummy bear are amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I have not tried this. I've got to check it out.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's like some of the candies. You have to be
careful because some of the candies ay freeze dried and
they just become a little bit hard because it's really
that crunchy texture. But you've tried honeycomb candy before, correct, Yes, yes,
I have. It kind of turns like a high chew
into a honeycomb candy.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Interesting, So you get that nice condensed fruit flavor. But
they're really amazing, like crumbly airy nice.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
So I think if I were to add to mine,
it would be sour gummies. So when I was a kid,
I loved sweet tarts and I'm sure I still would.
If I got a roll of sweet tarts, I'd be like,
I'm set, y'all, go on leave. I'm here for however
long it's going to take me to go through these.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
This neck away for girl, can't judge you.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
So I just love, I love I loved heart as
a as a flavor. I love I love that kind
of sour. The sweet heart is like one of my
favorite tastes.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
And recently we've been getting these vegan gummies, because I'm
sure a lot of people know this already, but gummies
typically have gelatin in them, and that's an animal byproduct,
and we don't eat mammals in my house, so we
look for vegan alternatives that use other materials in order

(08:37):
to get that gummy texture. And some of them are
really good. Like occasionally get one where you're just like, oh, man,
this is just gonna cement my teeth together. But other
times you'll find ones where you're like, oh, this is great.
It's got just enough chew to it without it being hard.
And then I wish I could tell you what the
brand is.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I don't have any just about to ask.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I'll definitely text you and maybe we can add it
to like show notes or something. But I'll text you
when I get a chance to run upstairs. Because they're
really good. They like they have a nice flavor, and
I love the sour ones. My partner prefers the regular kind,
but those would be my new favorite if they had

(09:18):
them in like individual little packs. I've only seen them
in like the big bags. And I ain't made a
money y'all. I'm not gonna sit there and buy one
hundred you know, bags of these things. Plus we never
get tricker treaters anyway, so it would just be me
eating them and crying.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Per per usual, I will buy my one pack of
full sizers for any kids that come by, and then
like some handouts of like the smaller like chewy or like,
because not every kid can have chocolate, A lot of
them have like Yeah, So we also usually buy like
like a Skittles red Vine kind of a safer mix

(09:56):
as well, and a couple of toys for kids who
like candy. But we you know, we we usually get
one or two trigger treaters a year, so then we
have to find recipients for the rest of it.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
We've done We've done the same thing where we would
get a collection of toys and allergy safe candies and
we would have we would put out a teal pumpkin
out front to signal that hey, we have allergy friendly.
So I didn't know any of this. My partner did
all the research and put it all together. She's amazing.

(10:31):
But you know, we we've done that in the past.
It's just that over the last few years, like literally
not a single person has come by, so I don't
know that we're even really doing Halloween this year. I'll
probably put the pumpkins out. Maybe I'll do that this
weekend because my partner created a bunch of took a

(10:52):
bunch of like craft pumpkins, you know, not real pumpkins,
but ones made of like foam and plastic and stuff,
and did one that's like a steam pumpkin. Oh nice,
So it's got like a little little gear, monocle and stuff.
It's really cute. And then a Day of the Dead pumpkin.
So We've got a couple of different ones that I'm
gonna put out. But that's as close as we ever

(11:14):
get because we live in a little complex that that
kids don't go to, mostly because like the neighborhood further
back from us is incredible, so they never get beyond
that because all they have to do is wander the
streets and they just it's like the mother load.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's similar here. So we have one or two neighbors
who have stopped by every year, and we've had more
that as they've moved in and out. One of those
neighbors did move away, so I doubt we will get
to get them as a tricker treater this year, but
they always stop by because they know we have something.
But like, we do have more kids in our neighborhood.
But I think it's just one of those things where

(11:53):
like if they don't know you're doing it, then they're
not gonna waste the time walking up and down all
of our hills. They're going to go somewhere else. Yeah,
And also I feel like I don't know there are
some neighborhoods where you still do like the door to door.
I know that our mutual friend Crispy used to do
a really huge thing, like a huge yard set up
with a candy delivery for trigger treaters. But some people

(12:16):
just do the tables out front. And I would do
a table out front if we had enough kids to
do it. But I used to love as a kid
knocking on the doors because sometimes I had like neighbors
who would try to scare me and it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah. Yeah, we've got a street near us. It's right
across from a not to docks myself, but I live
not too far from Candler Park in Atlanta, and there's
a street that borders Candler Park. And the only reason
I know this is because Tibbalt, my dog, took me
there on Halloween one time, he just decided that's where

(12:47):
he wanted to go, and he had the best time
because there were so many children and the same sort
of thing. There were people who had set up tables
out front and were giving away candy, and it was
like a it was like a block party that was there.
It was incredible and it made me miss the same
thing you were talking about, both the experience of trick
or treating or giving candy out the trick or treaters.

(13:09):
So yeah, hopefully we can we can figure that out
and get like more participation and stuff or maybe even
maybe I'll even see if we can piggyback on to
the neighborhood down the street and be part of that,
because even though it would require me to schlep stuff
a couple of blocks away, it would be fun to

(13:31):
participate in that. Again.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, and like just for the joy of I
mean it's a joy for everyone. It's not you know,
it's like it's it's really nice to make kids smile
and give them some fun.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And you get to see some of the some of
the most creative and fun costumes, like sometimes like seeing
a little kid dressed up as like as like as
like leather Face from Texas Chateslawbassacre will never not make
me laugh?

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Fair fair a. Going back to the candy, I do
have a question for you. Yeah, because you said you
like sweetheart and you like sour Do you like the
ultrasour things like the warheads and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I can take or leave those, They're okay like it
to me. That falls into the same category as hot
sauces that are just blazingly hot without any thought to
how they taste. And I like a good hot sauce,
like I like a good kick, but I want the
flavor to be there. Right. I'm never give me the bomb,
there's no point. It's just as battery acid that burns you.

(14:36):
But you know, you give me some of that last dab.
I like that it tastes good. Same with the sour candies,
right like I feel like the warheads and stuff. It's
kind of scratching that same itch of you're not really
tough unless you can tough out this experience, which is
designed to be unpleasant at first and then improve over time. Eh.

(15:01):
I'd rather just have something that's tasty from the get go.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Fair enough. I used to love warheads, and I remember
growing up going out to like the outdoor concerts because
the city that I lived in and currently live in,
I moved away and moved back the town I guess
will have like just a summer series concert in like
the Square, and I would get a pack of like

(15:25):
blue raspberry warheads and I would eat the entire pack
during the concert one time, so much that I don't
know if like I burnt my tongue or if it
just built up, but I developed a second skin on
my tongue and it was really weird, and say, that's gross.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
No, I've heard about people who have burnt the lining
of their mouth from those things. Like it's just so
strong that it'll actually eat away part of the lining
of their mouth, and it sounds awful.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Like it didn't hurt. It might have just been that
I built up, like I an entire large pack of
them and sitting, so it could have I could have
just built up the sugar on my tongue, but like,
it was really weird. I guess you should limit how
much sour can. I think now if I ate that
much sour, like super sour candy, I would have a
very upset stomach.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
But yeah, I think y'all can also tell that it's
been a while since Ariel and I got a chance
to talk to each other. Yeah, because that's that's just
what we're doing now.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's cool.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Okay, So I'm not That wasn't the complaint, by the way.
It was just like I was like, this is really nice.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Let's get back to business. I know, we should do
this more often. Yeah, just talk to each other, I know.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right, Okay, okay, but back to back to the matter
at hand. Unless y'all all write it and say, hey,
we love it when you two are just chatting, in
which case, maybe we'll do a sister podcast that has
no no like topic whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, that might get real sad, though sometimes you were.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I that's true.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
It all depends some real rough anxiety type.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, that's you are not wrong. All right, Well, let's
let us talk about the things that we have seen. Obviously,
a whole month has gone by, so there's been a lot,
and we're just probably gonna give you a smattering of
the stuff we've we've watched since the last time we
were together.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, for me, I watched the first episode of Alien Earth,
and I also watched the first episode of Peacemaker season two,
the first episode of Alien Earth. I really liked the
main character. I didn't expect to from the trailers. I
feel like they buried the lead on how cool she was.
I really liked the concept. It very much does play

(17:39):
heavily into Peter Pan, and I'm looking forward to seeing
some more of the corporate intrigue the alien stuff. I
don't know, like I'm still I did. They didn't set
up fully in the first episode how exactly the episodes
would go, so I don't know. I thought I was
prepared for the amount of nudity in Peacemaker season two, episode.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
One, after I warned you about it, after you wore me.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I was not.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
That was.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
For me way too much. No.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
When I watched it, I was like, oh, Ariel is
not going to be able to get through this very easily.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
No, No, I had to look away until it was safe,
which was really hard to tell.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, get ready for episode two because not that there's more,
but there's like surprise nudity on occasion.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
A little bit of surprise nudity I can do. But
that was that was trying to show gratuitous that it
got the definition of its word wrong. The meat the
definition it's.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Name wrong, oddly enough because the spoiler alert for mine.
But I've I've watched Peacemaker. I'm not quite up to date.
I did not see the episode that published yesterday. We're
recording this on a Friday. It comes out on Thursdays.
I've not seen episode six yet. I've seen the first five,
and I can tell you that after I think after

(19:06):
the first two episodes, I don't remember there being any
nudity in episodes three, four or five.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I feel like I feel like in the first season
it definitely started with the shock value, and there was
definitely shock value all throughout the series, but it got
that it got more narrative as time went on. Other
things that I watched real quick, I am. I've been
work walking my way backwards through all of Task Masters,
so I just started season seven, started at nineteen. I've

(19:38):
done that super fast because that's pretty much most of
what I watch every night. But I'm also watching season twenty,
which is coming out once a week right now. The
latest episode came out yesterday and Great British breakof I'm watching,
but they're only releasing one episode a week for that
as well. Drop Out just released Crowd Control, which is

(19:58):
the stand up comedy show that I did in Game Changer,
So that's fun. That's how I learned about Josh Johnson,
surprisingly not from the Stephen Colbert Show, but I'm going
to go see him this weekend, and that's really cool.
And then the actual play that I'm doing has started
dropping videos of like all of our characters one on
one sessions this week and up to leading up to

(20:20):
our first episode on October seventh, and so I've been
watching those and it's really amazing to watch everybody else
in their characters and their interviews and get to learn
a little bit more about them because I know some
of the other players well, and I know some of
the other players kind of, and I don't know some
of the players, but everybody seems so cool. I'm so excited,
but I'm also like, it's hard because I know I'm

(20:41):
gonna have to watch mine too so I can remember
what happened, and I don't like watching myself.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Remind everyone what that series is called.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Oh yeah, it's a Shadow City Mysteries. It's a clockwork
noir fantasy where the color has been sucked out of
the world and a bunch of unless you've got like
a steampunk clockwork kind of turnstone appliance or magic, which
is super rare and kind of the mystery but behind

(21:12):
what caused that and like intrigue of all these different
factions trying to run the city. It's it's really cool.
It's really cool, and I'm very much looking forward to it.
And I play kind of a a spy character, so
she's she's like a musician by day and then like
a get her.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
A gopher at night, So she's who you go to
when you need something.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because there there are two infiltrators
in game, mine and someone else, and the other one
has a lot more of like thought behind hers, whereas
like my character is a lot more. You have a job,
I need some money, I can get you the information.

(21:58):
I don't really care about it, you know, like so
h it is. It is really interesting seeing how those
two characters are different and how we're going to interact
with each other. Because we actually wrote like a it's
in my character history. It hasn't come up in our
in either of our one on ones because her one
on one dropped yesterday yesterday. But we we've met each
other in the past, so I'm very much looking forward

(22:21):
to it. It's a lot of fun. It's a really
amazing group of people and it'll be I think the
fun thing is also seeing how we grow as a table,
because there are always some hiccups when you start with
people you've never gamed with before, as you feel out
each other's styles and and get a flow going. And
so like we are starting level one in this world,
so learning how the world works. It's got like a

(22:43):
really cool crafting system and a really cool influence system,
which is is unique to this game as opposed to
a normal five E game, which is what we're based on.
And so yeah, it's it's just been a lot of
it's been a lot of fun to explore the world
so far. But all so, when I watch my stuff
I do because I'm an actor, I always like I

(23:04):
always have to stop myself from nitpicking and going, oh
I should have done this, Oh I could have done that,
because it's improv and you can't.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You can't mean. This is the same reason why I
don't do live improv shows, because I get too critical
about what I chose versus what I didn't choose, And
that's just antithetical to the spirit of improv, right, Like,
the spirit of improv is you go with your first

(23:32):
choice and you commit to it, and you know you
trust your fellow performers to support your choices and to
add new choices that will be interesting, and you know,
when it works, it's great, and when it doesn't work,
no one remembers except for the people who did it, right, Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
You got to tell yourself, no one else cares. It's fine.
It just isn't going to be a memorable moment. But
it's so hard because I think especially for you and I,
because we're both a little bit of a perfect we've
got perfection.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, it's why I prefer sketch comedy to improv. For me,
I love watching improv, doing improv. I just love doing
workshops because then you're just having fun with your friends.
But when you're performing, you're like, oh, now I have
to actually entertain people who paid to see me.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, And like, there's this balance when you do improv.
I'm sorry, we need to get to what you're watching,
but there's this balance where you know a lot of
times they're like, when you act, ignore the audience, right, Like,
unless it's they're laughing, and you need to wait for
them to stop to say your next line. When you're
doing improv, there is a little bit of like, and
I struggled this with this back when we did improv,

(24:40):
Like you have to listen to the audience because every
audience is different in what amuses them, and you want
to try to pick up on what they're laughing at
and meet that audience where they're at for each show.
That's it's a part of the gig. But then you
listen and then you you can get into and too
did they laugh at that? Oh no, they didn't laugh.

(25:01):
What am I doing? Hah?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah. But like, the best improvisers I've seen also will
like if there's a like, let's say the audience is
rowdy or whatever, the best ones I've seen have been
able to incorporate that in a way that doesn't encourage
the rowdiness, but is able to acknowledge it and build
on that. So, for example, I've seen improv shows where
maybe someone makes a really bad pun and someone in

(25:25):
the audience yells out boo, and they're like, Oh, that
dang ghost is back or whatever, and then they'll like
mime shutting a window to say, I'm acknowledging that you
did that, but now I'm also signaling to you to
not do it again.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I like that in like actual
place too that I've watched whenever they go to like
a live audience. Abria, I guard did this when she
was doing like the Battle the Waterer Skate three actual
place with the cast, and she's like, oh, we're talking,
are we Like? We'll acknowledge it and joke with it

(26:02):
and then be like, okay.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Let's settle settle down, children, let us continue our lesson. Yeah,
all right, should I should I talk a little bit
about what I watched since the last time, please.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I have abliviated on one.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
So early in September, I went on a Disney cruise
with my partner and some friends of ours. We've already
planned our next one. I am plotting to kidnap Ariel
and bring her on it. So we'll see if that works.
That is, she knows, so this is not a surprise
to her.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Oh my gosh, what.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, but we don't know if that's going to work
out or not. But we're aiming for There might be
another stretch next September where we we have we have
a long quiet stretch because we'll be on the high
seas anyway. Because it was a Disney cruise, obviously they
had a lot of Disney entertainment there, and I took
the opportunity on a couple of of you know times

(27:01):
where it was downtime to watch a couple of Disney
films I had not seen. They're not new, but I
had not seen them. So one of them was Strange World,
which was the film that kind of came and went
without it much fanfare, and it was one of those
that led to that discussion of you know, original material

(27:24):
versus another adaptation of pre existing IP and that you
know audiences don't want original stories. Well, I watched Strange World,
let me tell you. I liked the first half of it,
and then the second half kind of fell flat for me.
I felt like they were doing too much, like there
were too many little stories slash messages that they were

(27:47):
trying to convey, and that it would have been better
had it been more simplified. I thought it was interesting,
but yeah, the longer that movie went on, the less
I enjoyed it. I like the first half a lot, though,
and then I also watched El e O, which was
the Pixar film about the young boy who wants to

(28:07):
be abducted by aliens. It's now available on Disney Plus,
so anyone with Disney Plus can watch it. Yeah. I
thought that was fine. I put it in the middle
of Pixar films like it's not it's not bad, and
it is entertaining. But it also it didn't impact me
the way a lot of other Pixar movies do. You know,

(28:29):
for a while, I thought Pixar just had a direct
line to the part of my brain that makes me cry.
They did not engage that in this movie. It was
but it was okay, Like I was entertained. I also,
like I said, I've watched Peacemaker up to the most
recent episode, which I still need to watch and probably

(28:51):
will once we're done recording, and I got into I
got into a binging session with the the sitcom Superstore,
which came and went. It's I think it had six
seasons and it's done. I really was largely unaware of
this show because I don't watch broadcast television very much,

(29:14):
but it was starting like little clips of it were
getting served up to me on YouTube recommendations, and it
was enough for me to go, well, that's Mark McKinney
from Kids in the Hall and I like him, and
he's playing a really weird character with like a muppet
like voice. And there's America Ferrara and I like her
and she's great, and I decided to check it out.

(29:34):
So I started watching it and I'm now up through.
I'm into season three, and these are American seasons, right,
so it's like twenty plus episodes per season. So I
only just started like last week, so I've been blasting
through those. They are only half an hour, but it's

(29:57):
I won't say it's the greatest thing ever, but I
will say that when it hits, it hits hard and
I laugh really hard.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Is that sorry? Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
No? Please? Please?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Oh? You go ahead? You go ahead, I'll ask after Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
All I was going to say is that one of
my favorite things about the show is that in between
scenes where characters are progressing the plot, and usually there's
like at least two plots going on, right, there's kind
of an A story in a B story. Sometimes there's
more than just A and B. But in between those scenes,
they'll just do little shots of inside the store where

(30:32):
either customers or staff or both are being weird, and
it's the kind of stuff you could imagine seeing if
you went to say a Walmart in the suburbs of
a major city. So like there might be just a
shot of a child sitting on the floor eating open
containers of yogurt, like, and it's just like a little

(30:54):
establishing shot showing a weird moment in the store. It
has nothing to do with the story, just there to
be kind of a buffer between scenes. Those buffers are
quickly becoming some of my favorite moments in the show
because some of them are just so weird. There's one
that was a direct reference to the Shining that I loved.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Oh wow, I love that. That is so cool. Superstore
is one of the ones that I also have seen
clips for and have been meaning to try to watch,
so I might now that you have recommended it. My
question was if there was a UK equivalent, because I
do find a lot of the shows that I end
up liking started in the UK first. But I answered
my own question, and there's it didn't start there first.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, if you were watching this, you could totally imagine it,
except that it I mean, it does have the very
American big box store thing, right, because Superstore is essentially
like Walmart. It's really a Walmart stand in and or
a Target something like that, and that's very much more

(31:57):
of an American thing than a European or British thing.
And they even address stuff like its impact on the community,
because you find out that the manager of the store
that his family owned a hardware store, like a family
owned and operated hardware store that was totally put out
a business by this conglomerate. But now he's like the

(32:23):
manager of the store, and and he's the type of
character who doesn't think critically at all, so he doesn't
even he doesn't even realize that this store essentially ruined
his family. Wow, it's it's it's a fun series. Like
there are characters who become a bit much, but that's

(32:45):
kind of the nature of comedy.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
So yeah, yeah, for sure, that is really cool. Thank
you for sharing about that, Like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm
gonna watch Superstore now, please it's fun. Yeah, we are
now thirty minutes into our episode.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah we should we should start tightening things up by
talking about stuff for less time.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I mean, we can talk about it for more time.
We just might need to break the episode into two pieces.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
If we do that, I ain't doing that. It's just
gonna be a long episode.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Okay, fair enough, So we'll go on to thirty seconds
and less or and less or less, which you know
is funny because originally when we started it, Jonathan was like,
you have to go thirty seconds because we were putting
music in there.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I still do put music in there.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, but you no longer yell if I go under
thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
No, because like I like, I'll just have the music
continue and then like it'll continue into the next segment,
and then I'll just PLoP the same music track in
again as soon as the first one is over. So yeah,
like if it just becomes if we ever get to
one segment where the music literally never stops, it means

(34:02):
that each time we both managed to stay under thirty
seconds for every single jury, it has not yet happened.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I just I thought it was funny that we say
thirty seconds or last, and I used to get yelled
at for the or less part. Ye yelled AT's a
strong term, that's all. So the first one, doo, dude,
is that we are hitting Star Treks sixtieth Anniverse three
in twenty twenty six, and so there's a whole bunch

(34:32):
of stuff that is happening for that. It's going to
be a year long celebration, including a parade, a cruise.
They're dropping the new Star Trek or sorry, Starfleet Academy show,
The Strange New World Season four, which is the final season,
will probably come out. They've they're dropping a Star Trek
con podcast, which might already be out. There's a new

(34:54):
preschool animated series called Star Trek Scouts coming out, and
like so much more so and then merches on sale.
But you can find out all about this year long
celebration at star Trek dot com slash sixty.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
So Ariel stole mine because I am talking about the
YouTube series Star Trek Scouts that this out. Oh no,
it's totally okay. It came out September eighth. I watched
a four minute episode. Personally, I think the series is
highly irresponsible because who would put children in charge of
planetary defense? And one of those kids is a Vulcan cyborg?

(35:30):
And how does a Romulan rubber ducky deflect an incoming asteroid?
This isn't logical, but it is cute.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Does that really happen.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yes, that all happens in the first episode.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's for preschoolers. Wow. Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
The incoming asteroid, by the way, is a bar of soap.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Oh okay, okay. So it's very like Muppet Babies.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yes, it's very it's very imaginative and silly and colorful.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Okay. Cute. In other not Star Trek related news, unless
it's very tangential, Sean Aston has been elected the president
of sag After for the next two years. You know,
he seems like a nice guy, so I hope and
I hope that he has the interests of uh, the
union best interests at heart. Fun thing I learned because

(36:23):
of this his mom was also a sag After president.
I didn't know that. His mom was Piggy Lee No,
Patty Duke m I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
And his adopted father is John Aston from from the
Adams Family. He was Gomez in the Adams Family TV.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Series Gotcha Very cool?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Very cool? Yeah, nice guy by the way, met him once.
Nice guy. Uh. Spaceball's two production is moving and we
recently got a look at a cast photo during a
table read. And the cast includes original Spaceball actors like
Bill Pullman, Rick Moranis, Daffy's Niga, George Weiner, and Mel Brooks,
as well as newcome like Josh Gadd, Kiki Palmer, Lewis Pullman,

(37:03):
and Anthony Kerrigan. So here's hoping the crew creates a
film that's even funnier than the original.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
In less funny news, open AI is being used in
a full length animated film, The Chad Nelson, the creative
specialists behind open AI, wanted to started designing characters three
years ago with the Dolly Image generation tool. Wants to
show that AI can make films much less expensive and

(37:31):
much quicker, but again, it takes the art out of it.
I have a problem with AI where it's it's rare
to it's rare to get an AI image that isn't
pulling from somebody else's art work or you know, property style. Yeah,
although Dolly in theory is correcting that, they're putting in

(37:53):
tools in the newest version where you can't request art
in the style of a certain artist, or if an
art to see their art being used, they can request
that it is removed and not used.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Again.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I don't know how well that'll work. I just you know,
I understand that you can use AI as a tool
and still be creative. I just I don't think that
making an entire movie out of AI is that I
don't like it.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah. Well, something else we don't like is that Tom
Holland got injured. He got a concussion while he was
filming a stunt for the next Spider Man film. There's
conflicting information on what actually happened and how bad it was.
One supposed source told Rob Shooter that the accident was
quote unquote worse than what the studio would admit. Meanwhile,

(38:39):
The Daily Beast cited an unnamed source who said it
actually wasn't very bad at all. So either this incident
has put the entire film in jeopardy or everything is
fine and it's staying on schedule. Either way, I think
the important message is get well soon.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Tom, Yeah, and also get well soon Henry Cavill. Honestly,
he might be, because this is from September eleventh. He
got injured doing sword fighting training in preparation for the
upcoming Highlander movie. Unfortunately, the big news from this is
that they were meant to start filming in September in Scotland,

(39:19):
and now filming has been pushed back to early next year. Now.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
That's because of the breadth of the injury Henry Cavill sustained,
or if that is just because of scheduling everybody around
the changes.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Good news for fans who are waiting for Spider Man
Beyond the Spider Verse. The third entry in this franchise
has been moved up one full week. I mean that's earlier,
So that's cool. The new release date for the film
is listed as June eighteenth, twenty twenty seven. It originally
was June twenty fifth. Considering that the second film ended
on a cliffhanger, or so I'm told, I haven't actually

(39:57):
seen it yet, any news of the film coming out
just the a little earlier should be greeted with cheers.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yes, the second film was very good. I do recommend it.
We're getting a new comic book series based off of
a very old comic book character, The Phantom. Phantom twenty
twenty four A New Shadow is coming out soon. It's
written by Alex Sigira of Star Wars and Michael Morricai
of Dick Tracy. Because it's a noir. If y'all didn't know,

(40:27):
with a really not there was like a nineties early
two thousands movie of it that was just dumb thought.
But it's a fun take in the art looks.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Good, So yeah, I actually liked the movie. But all right, well, yeah,
if you've listened to us for a while, like over
the last two minutes, you should know we're not big
fans of generative AI, and I am not super thrilled
about this next story. In fact, I'm actually kind of
miffed about it. So, according to the Hollywood Reporter, and

(40:59):
a I holographic likeness of stan Lee will appear at
the Los Angeles Comic Con and will be available to
hold short conversations with attendees if they cough up the
fee that will be charged for the privilege of chatting
with or even taking a photo with this AI version
of stan Lee. I think this is gross, But the

(41:23):
event happens this weekend, so I guess we'll learn more
about it for the next episode.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah. I don't like that either.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, I mean, like, can you imagine? Okay, I know
it's three seconds.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Or less, and I know we're at the end, so
we can go on as long as you want.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, go off, King, But like we go to conventions, Ariel,
you and I we've gone to lots of science fiction conventions.
Can you imagine walking through the Hall of Fame and
having Ai Howard holographic versions of actors, whether those actors

(42:00):
have passed on or not. So that let let's say
Christopher Lee, so that you can have a little conversation
with Christopher Lee about J. R. R. Tolkien and Lord
of the Rings, because you know, Lee was a fanatic
about those books, but even before he played Sadrumann in
the in the Peter Jackson films, like that just feels

(42:22):
wrong to me.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know I've I've worked Dragon con
at least, and I know that actors oftentimes do conventions
as a part of their income. So one, I hate
that they're doing that because no, like, get the real
actor and if they can't make it, oh well don't. Also, like,

(42:46):
if it's AI, then they aren't just asking the actor
questions that will be put in, so it's not even
the actors full full or the person's full, truthful opinion
about whatever you're asking them.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I hate it, Yeah, right, because like I have heard
AI versions of I've heard AI versions of people I know,
like personally know, I've heard the AI version of their
voice and knowing the capacity for AI to go let's say,

(43:20):
quote unquote offscript, you know, where they the AI will
say something that the actual person never would have said
in real life. That's a major concern for me because
I mean I did I did an episode of tech
Stuff back before obviously before I retired from it, where
I had chat GPT create a technology podcast and one

(43:44):
of the things it did was it invented experts and
had them give quotes. So like, if it can invent
experts that are that don't exist and put words into
these fictional people's mouths, it could do the same for
a real person and give this person opinions or points
of view that do not reflect their actual thoughts at all,

(44:06):
And that to me is irresponsible and just not human.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I actually would have
issue with it if they were doing it for something
that was fictional, like Turtle Talk with Crush at Disney World,
for instance, because that is an actor. You sit in
the audience and you interact with the cartoon character of Crush,
the turtle from Finding Nemo, but behind it is an

(44:33):
actor who is listening to the audience and responding and
puppeteering and that is an art.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, As the brother of a professional puppeteer,
I certainly feel very strongly about that as well. Also, Ariel,
remind me when the show is over, I'll send you
a link and you can hear me speak in fluent Spanish.
But it's not it's my voice, but it's not me.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I don't know if I like like that either, But
learn another language, not now, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, well, you know, you wait around long enough. They'll
also be versions in Portuguese, and yeah, I'll send I'll
send you a link because it is I'm in charge
of working with these files. And to hear myself speaking
a language I do not understand gave me an out

(45:25):
of body experience.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Oh no, oh, my goodness, that is so weird. Like
I get it. I get it. You can't always I
am grout your way through a foreign language.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
But yeah, yeah, certainly not. I all right, let's talk
a little bit. We only have a couple of things
in our stuff that doesn't fit category, partly because I deleted,
like I think, originally we had close to twelve in here,
and I deleted almost all of them and I moved
I moved one to our regular lineup because I was like, no,

(45:58):
this does fit. Yeah. Yeah, but we have a couple
that we wanted to mention that we feel are interesting.
So the first up is a documentary about a comedic
actor out of Canada who passed away far too young.
And why don't you tell us about that, Ariel?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah. So it's called John Candy. I like me, and
it is about John Candy, which you know is kind
of geeky. He's done, he did in his lifetime a
lot of a lot of fun projects, including Spaceballs. He
played barf.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Correct yep, yep, and he was also in Splash yep.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
A really nice guy, it seems. I didn't mean. I
never got the opportunity to meet him, but everybody in
the documentary seems to think that he was a really
nice guy who battled with depression and honestly the people pleasing,
which struck home to me because that is something that
I struggle with. And in the trailer for the documentary,

(47:05):
they say, in the entertainment world, you cannot be a
people pleaser. It will destroy you.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, because you'll just give and give and give until
there's nothing left.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, And that seems to be what happened with John Candy.
But watching the documentary was both in not the documentary,
the trailer for it, I haven't watched it was both
incredibly heartwarming and like made me tear up.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah. The actual documentary comes out on Amazon Prime Video
on October tenth. The title is a reference to a
line John Candy has in Planes, Trains and Automobiles where
he says, I like me, my wife likes me. It's
actually one of the most emotional moments in that comedy.
Like that's a very silly comedy, but it's a silly

(47:51):
comedy that you can actually go to YouTube and watch
reaction videos of people watching it. It makes people tear up.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, you know what. Here's the thing though, Like he
plays goofy characters, but there's always like this this heart
in it, Like even in at least in the ones
that I've seen. I'm gonna admit, like I wasn't like
a John Candy a file, Like I didn't go to
watch everything that he ever did, but I like the
stuff I saw him, and like even in Home Alone,

(48:19):
Like he's a goofy character, but there's just like this
really nice, like heartfelt miss to him.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, I will say that in Splash, there's not so
much because he's kind of a sleeze ball in that movie.
But he's a very entertaining sleeze ball.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
It's true. It's true. Like I said, I was never
like a huge, oh my gosh, John Candy fan, but
I do appreciate his work and I will be watching
this documentary.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Next up, we have a trailer for a series, an
eight episode series that will debut on October twelfth on HBO.
It is titled The Chair Company was created by Tim Robinson,
who also stars in it, and Zach kanaan Uh And
it's really kind of mysterious. Like if you read the

(49:08):
log line for this thing, it essentially talks about how
the character that Tim Robinson plays comes across a massive
conspiracy after a quote an embarrassing workplace incident in the quote,
and like that's the log line you find everywhere anywhere
you look this up. That's what it says. Like it

(49:29):
doesn't matter if it's Deadline or Hollywood Reporter or Wikipedia,
doesn't matter. And none of it explains what the incident is.
The trailer doesn't explain what the incident is.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Or what the conspiracy is either yeah, like, but it
does look it does look intriguing. So like when I
read the log line, because here's the thing, I put
this one in our lineup. I don't know if Jonathan
was going to as well, but like the video, the
trailer for it just kept popping up. I couldn't escape it.
I'm like, fine, I will, I will watch it. I
read the log line first, save myself some time, and

(50:00):
I'm like okay, and then I watch it. I'm like,
at first I thought it was like, Okay, he works
at a chair company and these chairs have a fault
about them that will injure people, and he's found it
out and he's going to like bo yeah, yeah, and
that is not it at all.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah. No, this it looks Yeah, it's wild. I don't
I gotta admit it has me intrigued. And I have
not watched a lot. I'm familiar, or at least I'm
aware of Tim Robinson's work, but I haven't watched much
of his stuff. I know that he is kind of

(50:37):
an avant garde comedian, almost on the level of like
an Andy Kaufman kind of thing, and that people who
who dig his stuff really dig it. I just haven't
watched any of it. I also don't know if I have.
I don't know if I'm the type of person who
could watch it without cringing myself into non existence, but

(50:59):
I'm definitely curious about this one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah, Also I don't think he is, But shouldn't Tim
Robinson be the son of Tim Robbins.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
He's well, he's clearly not, but the name would at
least make sense.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, So that's it and our stuff that doesn't fit
two things that I am very interested in watching, in watching,
probably the two things I was most interested in watching
that were on the list of twenty things that I
exploded our lineup with.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
That's okay, Like we still have other areas that are exploded.
I Now I am going to move over into the
Jonathan's Horror Hutch segment, which I typically try to keep
to three intrigues. This time it's four because we were
gone for so long before I jump into this aerial.
Did you watch the trailers for any of these movies?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I mean I put three of them on the lineup,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I didn't know if you had watched them or not,
or if you just grabbed the link and threw it
in there.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So I today, So I have watched them all. The
Carpenter's son in the Astronaut I fully watched before I
stuck on here the Ed Gain story, I had to
stop and then no, that's not for you. It's not
for you. That's yeah, I can tell you right now.
That's out of all of them, that's the one you

(52:26):
definitely should not watch. Yeah. So I did today flip
back through it to remind myself, but I didn't watch
it fully through. I just tried to catch some points
in it so that i'd have Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Well, I'll cover these really quickly and if you have
anything to add, certainly please chime in. So the first
trailer is for a Netflix original called Monster The Ed
Gaen Story. So this true story. Ed Gain was arrested
on multiple terrible, disgusting charges that ranged from grave robbing

(53:04):
to cannibalism to murder. His story is one that has
influenced numerous other stories. They're those who argue that Psycho
was influenced by ed Geen's story, although the author of
that novel says that wasn't the case. Texas Chainsaw Massacres

(53:25):
another one, Silence of the Lambs. Buffalo Bill is very
clearly modeled after ed Geen. So this is a dramatization,
which is even that it's putting it to generously. This
is a glorification of ed Geen's story, and I think

(53:45):
it looks. This is my opinion. I think it looks
salacious and awful, and the filmmakers should be ashamed of themselves.
It is celebrating someone who genuinely hurt and killed people
and cause misery, and while that might be fascinating, to
turn it into entertainment, to me turns my stomach. I'm

(54:07):
not a prudish person. I love horror stories. I love
some of the horror stories that were inspired by this
real life person. But I think that a movie that's
supposedly depicting this real life person's experience elevated to like
a Hollywood kind of depiction is gross. That's my I
have a line, and this film appears to cross it

(54:30):
based upon the trailer.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
So I have a question based on that. Do do
you have issues with other movies based on serial killers?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I often do, because I feel like it glorifies the
killer and like romanticizes things, like even the ones that
are trying to honor the victims. I feel like they
often don't do that well enough, and it ends up
being more of a spectacle about look how broken this
human was, and not let's consider the life of this

(55:03):
person that was cut short because of this broken individual. Right. So,
I do have issue with a lot unless it's like
a documentary where it's trying to take more of a historic,
you know, and exploratory point of view. But this doesn't
feel like that to me. This feels more like turning
it into entertainment, which is fundamentally disturbing to me.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I I can't say that anything I watched in the
trailer was entertaining. It's gotten amazing cast is what I
will say. But but I can I can understand that
because I was like, this is a horrible person who
did horrible, horrible things that make my stomach like turn.

(55:49):
I I don't, I don't. I feel like a bad
person for saying like, I don't need to know that
this person had any sympathetic characteristics to them. I'm sure
that they did. I'm sure there was something in their
brain that made them think that they weren't all horrible,
But I yeah, I don't. I don't like excusing that

(56:12):
behavior on any front.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well, and there's there's depictions of like dreamlike sequences in
that trailer that either they're like you know, hallucinations or
dreams or psychosis or whatever it may be, and they're
so highly produced, right, Like, to me, that's that's the thing.
It's the production, like it's the it's the lighting and
the camera angles and the music and the pacing that

(56:37):
you see in the trailer that all to me seems
to be presenting it as this is meant to shock
and entertain you. And I just can't get behind that
because real life people died because of this person.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's not It is a story that
should be a lesson on how not how to help
people so stuff like that doesn't happen again, and not
something you watch for entertainment. I fully agree.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Now, I also will say, this is my opinion, I
don't judge anyone who wants to watch this. It's I'm
not being judgmental. If if you're someone who's like, I
really want to see this, like it's spooky season, I
want to see this please by all means it comes
out on Netflix on October third, I will not be

(57:28):
one of those people watching it, and not just because
I often forget that I have Netflix.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Okay, I do want to say, because I feel gross
for saying it, I understand that a lot of people
who do horrible things are dealing with a lot of
stuff and maybe didn't have the help they needed to
avoid it. So I don't want to say that people
who do horrible things can't be sympathetic and that you
can't try to understand them. I just it goes back

(57:57):
to like that you don't need to make a bad
guy good guy thing.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, I don't feel like that's the case based on
this trailer. I don't feel like this movie is trying
to understand anyone. But that's that's again my interpretation, and
it's based upon a very limited exposure to this movie.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
So I just I just had to clarify totally.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Well, let's move on to something much more lighthearted. Let's
talk about a biblical horror movie that's based off of
based off an apocryphal book of the Bible. So I
am not a I'm not a religious person. I'm going
to get that out here. I do have a knowledge
of apocryphal books of the Bible because I am a medievalist,
and that's when a lot of this stuff was getting
hashed out was which books do you include in the

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Bible and which books get rejected? Because that that was
a whole thing for those who don't know, there was
a whole process of consideration of different gospels and books
of the Bible and which ones does the church acknowledge
as being real versus ones that aren't. And so this
particular book of the Bible is an apocryphal book. It

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was never accepted into the Bible. It is called the
Infancy Gospel of Thomas, and it covers a span of
Jesus's life that otherwise does not get covered in the Bible,
that is his childhood, and this gospel does not put
Jesus in the best light. It kinda is like the
description you will often hear is it's the story of

(59:25):
a young boy discovering that essentially he's got superpowers and
he uses them for selfish ends, including ones that end
up leading to harm and death for other people. So
it's dark. This movie The Carpenter's Son is based off

(59:47):
that apocryphal book of the Bible and stars Nicholas Frickin'
cage as Joseph, although I think he's only referred to
as Father in the movie, and that Jesus is referenced
as the Boy. And it's a very short teaser that's available,
but it does show Nicholas Cage having a dickens of

(01:00:09):
a time keeping a handle on his son. I was
not offended by this, but I know that there are
a lot of Christians, maybe not a lot, there are
some Christians who are concerned and offended by this, and
I'm not here to tell them that they're wrong in that.
I just don't think that. I think there are other
things to be offended by that are real and affecting
real people in the world that you need to really

(01:00:31):
focus on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I fully agree as a person of faith, I this
movie is not trying to necessarily say this is true.
It's a scary movie based off of a source material.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Right, Yeah, it's a horror movie. It's a horror movie.
It's biblical in nature. Yeah, it's like if you did
a horror movie based off of any other religion or
even mythology, Like you're taking you're taking source material as
your inspiration, but it's not meant to be Hey, this
is this is what your faith really is? Like I
don't think that's what the movie is saying the movie

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gets released on November fourteenth, I would not be surprised
if we see like protests and stuff at least from
small some groups related to this. But honestly, I don't
think it's worth doing. To me, this looks like one
of those Nicholas Cage movies that that it's fun to
know about, but there's no need to go see it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah. Like, I put it in the line up because
it was I was like, Nicholas Cage is doing a
religious whrror, which when I say it out loud, doesn't
sound surprising, but for some reason when I watched it,
it was surprising to me. But yeah, I'm like, if
a story isn't for you, don't watch it. That is
That is my entire opinion on all of entertainment. Yeah,

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like some stuff, some stuff, I'm like, this is unnecessary.
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
But it makes me think that if this were in
that episode of Community where Abed is at the class
about is Nicholas Cage and good actor or not? This
would have been This would have been one of the
ones falling in the not category. Yeah, but yeah, I
I mean, maybe I'll watch it if it comes to streaming.
I don't have any plans on catching this unless it's

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just like if it ends up becoming like a cult
classic kind of movie, you know, a Llah The Room
or something maybe then or like even the Nicholas Cage
remake of The Wicker Man, which is almost unwatchable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I've never seen that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh it's so that's the one, not the Bees.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah, I'm very aware of the bees from it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
It got very very much memed to Heaven and back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah. You know, Nicholas Cage does a lot of movies,
not all of them become cult classics. I would say,
I think the last one that I watched of his
that fell into that, that I actually watched that fell
into that category was The Color Out of Space. I
watched Renfield, which I want to watch that one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It's okay. I wanted to like it more because, like,
I like Nicholas Holt a lot, and and I even
like I thought I thought Nicholas Cage was fun. I
thought he was terribly miscast, but I also thought he
was tons of fun. Like I didn't buy him in
the role of Dracula, but I loved him in the
role of Dracula.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
A vampire before that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
That is true. All right, I got two more to
get through real quick, unless you have anything else you
wanted to add about about the carpenter's son. No, okay.
Next up, we've got a movie titled Vicious. Vicious reminds
me of some YouTube horror shorts that I've seen in

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the past, not that I think this was based off one,
but uh, I think there's one. I think it's called
The Box, and it kind of reminded me of that
because it is one where there's a box that has
a sinister element to it, although there's not a wet
naked guy trying to crawl out of it, unlike in
the short YouTube short in the Box. Vicious is a
film in which a young woman is living alone, I guess,

(01:04:09):
and an old lady who seems to be disoriented shows
up at her door, so she invites the woman into
her house, and then the old woman says that the
young woman is essentially cursed and gives her this box
and says she has to put in something that she needs,
something that she loves, and something that she hates in

(01:04:30):
the box before time runs out or the young woman
is going to die. And I think it's an interesting
concept for a supernatural horror movie. However, the trailer just
didn't do anything for me. Like, I like the concept.
If you gave me the concept, I'd be like, ha,
that's intriguing. But as I was watching, I was like, Oh,

(01:04:51):
for some reason, none of this is working on me.
And that might just be me, I don't know, but
I didn't find it disturbing or scary. Maybe because when
the woman does put something in the box and she's
trying to she's hoping that it fulfills the criteria. She
gets her phone just gets massive huge text on it

(01:05:14):
saying wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong in read letters, and I'm like, well,
that's not scary, that's just dumb. But again, that's just
my opinion. The movie comes out October tenth, it's video
on demand when it comes out, maybe the whole film
comes across better, but yeah, this trailer, Like, I love

(01:05:36):
horror movies, but this just did not feel like it
was that it wasn't hitting my buttons.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
So the reason that I didn't watch his trailers because
I started to and I got bored and distracted.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, no, I feel that reaction. Super Like, that reaction
I think is warranted. It didn't work for me. And
your threshold for horror is much lower than mine, right,
and you were bored?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
So yeah, the worst The worst part is at some
point in the trailer the girl spits out a key
and I was eating yogurt and I was like, well,
this is not a good combination.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Yeah, she regurgitates a key, which just made me think
of I watch a lot of like commentary stuff online.
It made me think of a line from a Red
Letter Media video where it's like, oh, I had a
night last night. But yeah, other other than that, it

(01:06:34):
really just didn't do much for me. And part of
it is also that it feels like it's trading in
a lot of tropes that have just been done to
death in horror, and that's part of the problem. And finally,
the last big thing in Jonathan's horror hutch is The Astronaut,
which is kind of a science fiction slash horror movie.
It stars Kate Mara who plays an astronaut who comes

(01:07:02):
back to Earth but like it's kind of like almost
like a crash landing and her her suit has been
damaged and like it's just a miracle that she even
survived the return trip and NASA sets her up in
a secluded house so that she can recover and be observed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Worst thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, yeah, secluded house away from everybody, including her family.
She has a husband and a child, and like they
explain that very casually in some exposition dump that she's
going to potentially experience certain symptoms like having a fever, hallucinations,

(01:07:44):
that kind of thing. So there's like definitely an element
of unreliable narrator built into this, where you know, I
think we're meant to question whether or not what she
experiences is really happening versus in her mind. She becomes
increasingly convinced that there that something came back with her,
something in space came back with her, and that she's

(01:08:05):
now being stalked by this thing. And again, it feels
to me like it's trading in well worn cliches and
tropes without adding anything particularly interesting. It Honestly, it feels
like a very slick version of a movie that you
might expect to have seen in nineteen fifty like in

(01:08:25):
nineteen fifties B movie sci fi film, or maybe a
Twilight Zone episode.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Yeah, I mean, so here's the thing, Like, I'm not
does it grip me? No? Like I'm not like, oh
my god, this is so cool, I have to see it.
But I do enjoy those kind of stories. So if
I'm looking to spend a couple of hours in some entertainment,
it's not the worst option. I will say, like there
is one, and like it's kind of believable because if

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you're there's radiation in out of space, so certainly if
you crash land and your suit is damaged, you might
have some of those side effects.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
There is one moment where I'm like, well, this is
just completely a hallucination because she's just thinking of Jurassic Park.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Oh yeah, no, I know exactly what you because it's
it's the velociraptor mode in the kitchen with the two kids,
right I had I had exactly the same reaction. I
was like, well, someone watched Jurassic Park just before they
decided to shoot this scene.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Or before they decided to go into outer space, or
while they were in outer space, and then they crash
landed and now they're having hallucinations. Yeah, that might be
a part of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Thank gonness, she didn't watch Home alone or else. When
NASA went to check on her, they would hit by
all these traps and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
And you know, as we as we've learned, those are
actually much more dangerous than the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Let's on, she's just living on cheese pizza because she
also watched Home Alone too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Lost in New York cheese pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
So why Ariel? I want cheese pizza so bad? Okay,
So The Astronaut comes out October seventeenth, And I know
I kind of poo pooed over all of these to
some extent, and I wish I hadn't. I wish there
were ones I could say I loved. But I feel like,
if you need to see a horror movie that's really good,

(01:10:14):
go see Weapons It's so good. Or Sinners, God's on streaming.
Sinners is so good. There are you can.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
You can rent weapons now if you can't get to
the theater, you can't. It's it's gonna movie ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
The movie, not the not the actual thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Please don't rent actual weapons unless you're trained to use
them and you're using them to make a movie. Yeah,
and even then, get prop weapons because that's much safer
as someone who has had to get stitches because a
weapon was not made safe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
For five you got whacked on the hand.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, but no, you can rent the movie weapons on
I think Amazon and Apple Now it's about twenty bucks,
which is the cost of a ticket at the theater.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah, so if you can't take it sounds together to
although it is the kind of movie that benefits from
really paying attention, Like I would not want to be
in a group of people chatting away while trying to
watch this movie, because I think the movie is better
than that and that it deserves it is slow moving, though,
I will say that, but there there. I said this

(01:11:17):
when I saw it. I remember telling you this, Ariel,
there's a sound cue in that movie that was more
effective than most scary visuals that you get in most
horror movies these days. Just that sound cuet. It literally
got the audience I was in to all go ah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
That is amazing. I wish I had been able to
get to the theater to see it sooner, because I
think I would have appreciated it in a theater with
a group of people, kind of like when I watched
I know this is not scary to anybody else, But
when I watched M Night Shyamalan signs at the movie
theater with my best friend's brother and we were in
the front row and I stood up and screamed when
the alien ran across the TV screen at the Trophan's

(01:11:58):
birthday party whatever it was. But uh, like yeah, I
actually plan on either if it's still in the theaters,
going to see weapons at the theater, or watching it
at home this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
It's I want to hear what you think about it.
I hope I haven't talked it up too much, but
I thought it was one of the best, like best
horror films since, like Sinners or if you go back further,
Although its horrors, but like the Menu, it's not really
horror movie. I guess it's kind of more like a

(01:12:29):
thriller slash dark comedy. But those are the films that
and I saw. I was lucky to see all three
of those in the theater. Those are the films that
I still think about. Whereas most of the things we
talk about with the like the genre stuff, it feels
like the kind of stuff that's on Shutter. It's not
to say that they're bad, but they're not memorable. They

(01:12:51):
don't stick with you the way these other movies have
sticked with me. Are stuck.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I mean, I should say that is what I've heard
about weapons across the board from from of all different
Like you know, you you have friends who have different tastes,
and everybody has a different review on a movie. Right
across the board. The people I know who have seen
weapons have really enjoyed it. When I got to read
the bit of the script that I got to read
when I auditioned for it, I really enjoyed it. There

(01:13:19):
there are only I like auditioning for horror movies. I
like doing horror movies. I think it's the LARPer in me.
It's it's fun, It's it's fun to play in that
world a little bit. It's harder when I'm watching it
because my suspension of disbelief watching a thing makes me

(01:13:40):
always feel like there's something behind me, or I will
have or I will have sleep paralysis, and then my
brain will use that and that is that is what's
really frightening to me. Sure it's the thing in the
dark that I can't see and I can't protect myself
from because I can't move. That is that is the
very basis of my my my fear of horror movie,

(01:14:01):
if I really dig down deep. But there have been
a few that I have been very fortunate to audition
for that. I've just like, yes, I have to see
this when it comes out. Weapons was it, I have to,
but Weapons was like, I think I really want to.
And so the fact that it's getting such amazing reviews

(01:14:21):
and that you recommend it so much, I I think,
I think I will be terrified, but I will enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Yeah, just just prepare yourself for the fact that it's
a slow build like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
For that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah. Yeah, the first half of that movie, maybe the
first two thirds is like it's all putting building blocks
in place, and then the last third goes Craig Gray. Uh,
I mean in the best way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
I love suspense, so and it was just weird as
a person who has to spoil movies for anxiety.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
But yes, right, well, beyond suspense, it's also a lot
of character buildings so that you understand who these people
are and what motivates them. Yeah. So, like that's also
an issue with horror movies often is that you don't
really get time to learn because that's not what the
movie's purpose is. Like a lot of the straight up
horror movies, characters only exist to be killed off in

(01:15:15):
inventive ways, right, So you don't need to know any
In fact, you probably don't want to know more about
them because the visceral thrill is seeing what inventive way
this person's going to be killed off, as like whether
that's a slasher film or something like the Final Destination movies.
That's all Final Destination is. But Weapons is different because

(01:15:36):
it's more like this is a character study note of
a single character, but multiple characters and arguably about an
entire town. And that to me is really fascinating too.
I think it's I think it's I would I would
not go so far as to call it a masterpiece,
but it's a really good film.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Nice and it's not It's definitely not one that Shae
could watch.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Correct, Shae could watch it? Oh yeah, Shae could watch it.
Uh did I see that with Shae?

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
I might have, because I know originally you were like,
I don't think she'd want to see this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Well, because it's because h.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Shay, I'm sorry, we're talking about you on our podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Friend of the Show. Shaye Lee is her no no
like Ariel's Big No No is cannibalism or things that
involve animal cruelty. Those two things are like on her
no No list for Shay. Her no no list is
things that involve child endangerment or death. Like that's like automatically,
like that's just traumatizing to her. And while I will say,

(01:16:37):
I don't want to give anything away, but ultimately Weapons
is okay for Shaye to watch. She did see it
with me, because I remember we at least I think
she saw it with me. My memory is so bad.
But we ran into Crispy or the friend you mentioned earlier,
as he was coming back from having seen it, and

(01:17:00):
he was talking about how it would be okay for
her to see. And that ended up being a spoiler
for me because because she asked him outright and I
was like, I don't want to know, and I walked
away so that I wouldn't hear because I wanted to
go in blind. And when I turned around, she was smiling.
I was like, well, crap, now I know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I mean. To be fair, I also reached out to
Crispy and asked for and I asked you too, because
I know you guys have you both have slightly different
viewpoints on cinema and you know me very well, and
so I've asked for spoilers from both of you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
So yeah, well, let's let's finally segue into what the
show is all about. Now that we're an hour and
almost an hour and twenty minutes and we can talk
about what's on our lineup, and it's a lot, so
this will be an epic episode, but to be fair,
we were gone a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Yeah, this is like a full month episode. So if
you need to pause it and come.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Back, yeah, take a buy break, make a snack, you know,
talk to your family, touch some grass.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
I'm not saying any of you need to, but it
is a delightful.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Thing to do. You can also listen to this as
you take a walk, so I'm just yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah, for sure. All right. So the first trailer we
have in our actual show notes, which I guess we
should stop calling actual show notes at this point, is
the Mandalorian and Grogu trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Yeah, finally dropped. Yeah, this film's coming out May twenty
second next year, twenty twenty six. So I just wanted
to get that out of the way. It's the only
note I wrote down because I was getting to a
point where I was like, I just need to write
down the release date and then we'll just talk about
what we thought. So Ariel, what was your reaction to

(01:18:47):
watching this trailer? I know what mine was, but I
don't want to color your perception.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
So I had a mixed reaction because I do like
The Mandalorian. It's one of the Star Wars properties that
I have really enjoyed in recent days. I also enjoyed
Rogue one, but I'm not a huge fan of and Or.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
But uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
I, I do feel like with all all three seasons
of The Mandalorian that we got, m HM, like it
would be like two good episodes, one episode, two good episodes,
one Met episode. This this feels like the trailer feels
like a Met episode with some good episodes mixed in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Okay, yeah, you have the same reaction I had, which
is that it looks to me like what I suspect
it really is, which is a very big budget episode
of The Mandalorian. Like it doesn't look like. As I
was watching it, I asked myself if this were paired
back a bit and it appeared as an episode of

(01:19:54):
The Mandalorian, would I think that it fits or do
would I sit there and watch it and think, oh,
this should have been a movie. And I don't know
that I would have felt it should have been a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Now there are things that I I'm gonna start
with the things that I didn't like in the trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
One is I feel like the alien monsters, like the
creatures that they show, feel a lot more fake. Mm hmm,
Like I don't know, they almost hit me worse than
the very obvious CGI creatures in the prequels. There was
just something about them that felt disingenuous in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
The world, like almost cartoonish.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Yeah. Yeah, like it didn't fit within the which if
it were a Mandalorian and Grogu cartoon probably would have
fit fine. But I feel like even in the television
show the monsters that they showed creatures that they showed
fit better. They felt more believable. Also, I don't know

(01:20:57):
why I didn't like. I didn't like ripped Hut, Ripped
to the Hut.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Yeah, speaking in English, apparently it was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Just weird to me. Yeah, but like that's I'm sure
that they could be muscular in workout, so I shouldn't
react that way. But I don't know, it just was weird. However,
I love the moments with Sigourney Weaver they show in
the trailer, like just her her level of mom noh

(01:21:30):
was pretty brilliant, and like, there are some things I
do think work. Some cg I think worked really well
in the trailer, like the ataighties. Watching the one fall
off the cliff just sparked this like nostalgia happy in
me for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
It definitely I like that more than the ad ads
that we'll talk about for our next item. But but
that's that's coming up. So yeah, I feel pretty much
the way you do it. I felt to me like, oh,
this could have been just an episode of The Mandalorian.
There's no reason it needs to be a movie. Also,

(01:22:07):
like it's falling into that same category as some Marvel
films in that sense that if you haven't watched The Mandalorian,
you would be totally lost watching this movie. You know.
I almost wish that instead they were just creating all
news stories in Star Wars where you don't need to

(01:22:30):
have had experience watching other properties in order to understand
who people are and what's going on. I will say
I was reminded how much I love the music of
The Mandalorian as I was watching the trailer. That music's great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Yeah, I don't know this one comes to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Theaters right, yeah, May twenty second next time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
That's what you said. I just I couldn't remember if
it was theaters or straight to streaming because my brain
decided that part wasn't important to me for some reason,
even though it is. I don't know if I'll go
to the theater for this one, but I will probably
catch it on streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
I mean, it's been a long time since I've watched
any Star Wars content. I did not watch the third
season of The Mandalorian. I have not watched Obi Wan.
I've not watched and or or Ahsoka. I haven't watched
any of those, so I think they'll In fact, I
never watched episode nine. Like I got to episode eight

(01:23:31):
and I was like, you know what, I think I'm
done with Star Wars. Except I did watch The Mandalorian
and the Book of Bobahet. I watched the first two
seasons of Mandalorian and the Book of Bobaheat. I wish
I hadn't watched the Book of Boba Fet.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
But yeah, that one was a whiff for me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Yeah. I wanted to like it so much because I
like a lot of the actors who were in it,
but it just was so dull.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I am however, kind of excited about Starfighter with Sean
Levy and Ryan Gosling are doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Maybe I'll need to see I'll need to see stuff.
This did not win me over, and I feel badly
about saying it because I love Pedro Pascal and like
I said, I enjoyed the first two seasons of The Mandalorian.
I just never watched the third one. So but this,
this is also coming from a gen xer. We have,

(01:24:25):
we have very strong opinions about Star Wars. It's one
of our mini flaws, and so I don't want to
to shape anyone else's opinion. Like I'm sure there are
people out there who are they can't wait to get
in line to see this movie. And for you, that's awesome.
Celebrate your love, enjoy it. Don't let some jaded, grousy

(01:24:49):
old man change your perception.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Yeah yeah, so I'm taking it by your previous comment
that you aren't very excited for Star Wars Visions Volume three.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Then it's not that I'm not excited, it's that there
was one shot in this where and maybe it was
just the maybe I looked away. Maybe I've got a
misinterpretation of what I thought I saw but I could
have sworn there was a moment where two at eight's
or ad ats leapt out of the ice and uh,

(01:25:23):
you know we're facing down the protagonist to that particular story,
and I was just like, ad ads can't do that.
There are these massive machines on legs. They can't leap,
they don't jump. That wouldn't make any sense, you would,
You would give everyone inside that transport concussions. Atsts no,

(01:25:44):
these were four legged, these were not atsts. But even
atsds can't really jump like again, that would Can you
imagine being in a car that just just suddenly jumps
up vertically, like not up a ramp, but goes vertically
up like twenty feet? It would you would die? Yeah, anyway,
it's a cartoon. What am I arguing about? So yeah,

(01:26:05):
Star Wars Visions is a series. There's been two other
volumes obviously. This is volume three that's coming out October
twenty ninth on Disney Plus, where it's an anthology of
various stories done in different anime styles. And I will
say the art looks amazing, Like the trailer. I was

(01:26:26):
so impressed by all the art that I saw in
these trailers. I don't know who anyone is. I don't
know what the heck is happening. I know there's some
Jedi because there's lightsabers all over the darn place. But
the art styles are phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I can't tell you most of what happened. I enjoyed
the first season of it, Okay, I didn't watch the
second season of it. However, the season has you walks,
so I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Yeah. It just tells me that someday we're gonna have
have a watch party where we watched the two Ewok
movies back to back.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Do you like Ewoks? I thought you did not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I do not, and those movies are terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
I love them, But I've I've found out recently. I don't.
This is not entirely true, but I have found that
there's somewhat a similar effect to the Ewok effect with
the character Q from Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
How do you mean by the ewalk effect?

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
So like, if you were a kid when you encountered
the Ewoks, you love them? Ah, and if you were
a little bit older, because like I watched the Ewok
movies when I was very young, I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Mean I was, I was a kid when Return of
the Jedi came out. I saw that movie in the
theater as a child, and I guess as a child,
I did like the Ewoks because they were super cute.
But and I don't hate the Ewoks. I just don't
have As I've gotten older, I don't have nostalgia for them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
But I mean like the Ewok movies specifically, I have
nostalgia for because I watched when I was a little
kid and I didn't know what good cinema was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I think I think I might have been I don't
know when they came out. I might have been twelve
or something. But I didn't like them then, and I
like them less as I'm older.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Nineteen eighty four, so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I was nineteen eighty four, I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Was not twelve three I was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
I was not yet twelve. I was young, and I
didn't like them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
I okay, so the Ewok effect doesn't count for you.
But yeah, I mean I did watch them when I
was very little. I maybe didn't watch them when they
came out. I too might have been too young for that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
I remember watching it when it came out because it
was that was a made for TV film series like
two movies, and I remember watching them on television, so
I remember. I remember that distinctly. It's one of one
of the few memories I have from that time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
It's so interesting because it's got oh, You're gonna hate
me for this. It's got such a similar vibe to Willow.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Oh Oh that hurt oh because I actually like Willow, I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Know, which is why I said, You're gonna hate me
for this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
But there's but I also I'm also one of those
jerks who never watched the Willow series, so I'm one
of the reasons that thing didn't get come back.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
It was it was did you ever watch Ella Enchanted?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
I don't think so. The name sounds familiar, but I
don't think I watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
It was it was like, uh, Cinderella. It was the
story of Cinderella, but it was some extra magic and
modern songs that it was similar like Night's Tale, where
it tried to blend modern and fantasy medieval together. Didn't.
There were things I really liked about it, but it
just overall didn't quite work for me, and I was

(01:29:48):
really sad about it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Couldn't quite stick the landing. No, But so you feel
like the Willow series was kind of in that same.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Vein yeah, more more so than those other things I mentioned,
because I don't feel like it committed to either fully
enough to make it work.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Gotcha, gotcha? Well, moving away from Star Wars, let's talk
about Robin of Loxley, Robin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Hood, Robin see the problems when we say Robin of Locksley.
Even though I know that's correct, my brain goes straight
to men and tits.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Well, I mean, yeah, mine goes to Prince of Thieves
because I remember seeing that in the theater too, the
Kevin Costner Robin Hood movie.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I don't remember very much of it. I don't think
I watched it till I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Was an adult. Oh no, I saw that one in
the theater as a kid, and it's one of those
movies that I'm constantly reminded of. Because the music for
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves is often used in other
like commercials and trailers. It's one of those that gets
borrowed all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
I watched it and forgotten another one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
This is a huge tangent. I'm sorry, but I haven't
taught to Ariel in so long. Another piece of music
that gets used a lot, or at least specifically for
the Olympics, for a while was the theme song to
Briscoe County Junior. The Adventures of Briscoe County Junior. They
were using that music for promotions for NBC's coverage of

(01:31:15):
the Olympics many years ago now, and I thought I
was going crazy every time it came on, because I
was like, is this Briscoe County Junior. And it was
at a time where you could not easily look that
up on the internet, but I thought it was going nuts. Anyway,
let's talk about Robinhood that's coming to MGM plus. This

(01:31:36):
is a series that starts on November two, and I
have historical issues with this one because it's trying to
be kind of a natives versus invaders storyline because they're
pitting They're saying Robin Hood is part of the Saxon

(01:31:59):
people who lived in England when the Normans came over
and invaded, and the Sheriff of Nottingham and his crew
the ruling class. Those are the Normans. So one of
the stories that's happening here is that it's Normans oppressing
the Saxons. Here's why I have a problem with this,

(01:32:22):
Like not that that's not a thing, but the Norman
invasion happened in ten sixty six. The Robinhood story happens
in the late twelfth centuries, like the eleven nineties. So
one hundred and thirty years have passed since the Norman invasion.

(01:32:43):
So the Norman versus sexon thing is not a thing
more than a century later. That's just not even remotely
in the picture. And it drives me nuts that they've
decided that this is the story they want to tell it.
I'm like, but why you have a story it's a
wealthy versus the poor, that's your story. You don't need

(01:33:04):
to have it be natives versus colonizers.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
I mean, you're right. Maybe they're just like, well, the
robin Hood story has been told so many times, which
is true.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
It is true.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
But yeah, they didn't They didn't necessarily need to change it.
The robin Hood story is a good one, and it's
still a pertinent topic.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
And if they had said it a century earlier, right,
if they had said it where it's not that long
after the Norman invasion, I can get behind it now,
But I know it's not. Because Eleanor of Aquitaine is
listed as one of the characters in the series. That's
the mother of Richard the Lionhearted and Prince John, like

(01:33:43):
that's their mother. So I mean it has to take
place in like the eleven nineties or thereabouts. So anyway,
here's the really bad thing though, Take all of those
complaints out. Take the old man yelling at passing cloud
rant I just did out. I still think it doesn't

(01:34:03):
look very good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
I agree with you. It should, by all intents and purposes,
be something that appeals to me. I do like Robin
Hood a lot. I like that story. I like many
of the iterations of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
It does look you look good and green.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Yeah yeah, maybe I am Robin Hood.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Maybe you are Robin Hood.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
No I am not. Please don't come after me. I'm
not stealing from nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Yeah. P TV shows also we have to say, like
Sheriff of Nottingham is played by Sean Beans, we already
know he dies in like the second or third.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it almost feels like they're
trying to make Robin Hood and his gang lost boys,
which might be true, but in my brain they aren't
a bunch of teenagers. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yeah, Friar Tuck looks like heith in kindergarten like like
these these are young versions of these characters. The series
starts on November second on MGM plus, and I don't know,
like like it just looks like a pretty milk toast

(01:35:21):
take on robin Hood, which I guess like, maybe I
shouldn't complain because that other Robinhood movie that came out
with Wat's his face from The Kingsman that looked awful
like it made robin Hood look like like it was
supposed to be like a medieval version of Diehard. It
was terrible looking, So maybe I shouldn't be upset that

(01:35:42):
this is more of a by the numbers apart from
the Norman versus Saxon storyline. But I don't know, it
just none of this worked for me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
I also didn't watch the Russell Crow robin Hood, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Neither of I That also did not look good to me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
No, I mean, I don't know. I like Gladiator the
first one. Yeah, uh okay, so that's enough for robin Hood.
Speaking of more of the same, mm hmm. We got
an official trailer for Welcome to Dairy which looks the
same as the unofficial trailer, which looks the same. I
just I just had to mention this. We don't even

(01:36:19):
have to spend a lot of time on it. Which
looks the same as the teaser trailer, which looks the
same as the previous teaser trailer, which looks the same
as the previous movies, which is the same as the book.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yeah, we get a little bit of extra information here,
like like we learned we learned that this this black
family is a military family that they had been living
on military basis and now they've moved to dairy because
they want to have a normal day to day life,
right Like that's that's like in there. I think the

(01:36:53):
most interesting thing to me about this trailer was just
the Easter eggs, right like there was there's a out
to Shawshank, Like there's a prison busol and it has
Shawshank Prison written on it and you're like, oh, I remember.
And also like the Shawshank Redemption and this is a
reference to that thing I liked. So there's little moments

(01:37:14):
like that. But yeah, otherwise I feel exactly as you do, Ariel,
like it's very much more of what we have already seen.
It feels like it's really well made. I'll say, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Yeah, you know, we know how it ends. Yeah, if
you if you like watching the movies, you'll probably like
watching the show. Like it almost feels like they're a
little bit trying to bank off of the excitement for
Stranger Things season five a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Yeah, I think I think I would be more excited
about this if it was not connected to it at all,
and that we were talking kind of like the I
never got into the Castle Rock series.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Season one was very good, but see.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
If it had been something more like that, where it's like, Okay,
we're going to set this within the type of worlds
that Stephen King creates, where it's this small town where
there are all these dark secrets that people know but
no one acknowledges, like no one talks about it, but
it's this darkness that exists in these small towns. I
could really get behind that. But making it an extension

(01:38:23):
of it when we already know how that story ends,
because those movies came out not long ago at all,
that seems weird to me. It's the prequel problem that
you just run into all the time. But the series
comes out October twenty sixth, so maybe it'll surprise us.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Maybe, And like, here's the thing I I would be
on board for this prequel, you know, taking a look
at racism in that era, but the book also does
kind of tread that, you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Know, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
Because so that's the thing, is like, if it if
they were trying to make it closer to a Lovecraft Country,
which is a lot but a very well done television show,
I would before that exception of the fact that that
also has already been told. It's nice. I guess it's
nice to see it played out nice as maybe not

(01:39:21):
the right word.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Important, but you know, the series also looks like a
lot of work went into it. The performances that I'm
seeing in the trailer all look good, like they look strong, like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
It looks like a kid actors annoy me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
No, no, it looks like it looks like it's incredibly
well made. So whether it's necessary or not, it may
just be a really well made piece of entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
So yeah, and I will say again, Season one of
Castle Rock was great. Season two was also good, but
it mainly focused like season one was, where they were
pulling all the different stuff in right. Season two was
mainly the prequel for Annie Wilkes, so a little less
interesting because it was more of a linear plot line.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Gotcha, Well, let's talk about something that's not linear. It's
all squiggly because it's a snake.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Yes, we got the trailer for Anaconda finally, not the
one from the nineties, but the one with Jack Black
and Paul Rudd. And it was not what I was expecting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Same, So if you haven't seen the trailer, pause this
episode and go watch the trailer, because I agree, Ariel,
it was not what I expected. So we are now
assuming you have seen the trailer. I did not think
this was going to be a movie in which characters
are in the film trying to reboot Anaconda.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Yeah, yeah, but it is. And then halfway through the
movie it turns out to actual Anti Kon. Halfway through
the trailer it turns into actual Anaconda. Yes, because in
the trailer they have a big snake, and this part
I didn't care for. Of course, I actually like snakes.
There was actually a snake, smuddy trail, actually a snake

(01:41:13):
in my front yard the other day. And by that
I mean I walked outside and I had a neighbor say,
there's a dead snake, a large dead snake in your
front yard, and I want to go take a look,
and I couldn't look very close because there a bunch
of flies around it, And I'm like, I like snakes,
but I hate corpses. I'm leaving it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
There A poor snake, poor snake.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
So I like snakes. I used to babysit a girl
who had two brothers who both they owned a big
oldbo constricter and a little don't know what it was,
but a little like racer type snake that was super zippy.
I loved playing with those snakes. I loved like holding them,
and I like snakes. So at the beginning of the movie,
they have a snake and the snake does not make it,

(01:41:51):
and that made me a little sad because this poor
snake wasn't asking for anything.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Bad and it's done as a joke, and it's clearly
not a real snake, like it's not. But but I agree,
Like even if you see a CGI depiction of an
animal and the animal is getting hurt, that triggers something
in me too, like I'm not a monster. I do
get upset about that source of so I felt the
same way. I was like, I hate that, that's a joke,

(01:42:18):
you know, Like I don't mind it. I don't mind
seeing people say, getting suddenly dismembered or exploded and it
being a joke beat if it's handled properly, I don't
mind that so much. The animals never sits right when
they doesn't matter what the animal is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Yeah, like it's it's I understand that in nature, animals
attack animals, and animals get hurt and animals die. It's
the circle of life, right. I don't like it when
it's because of when a human has caused injury to
an animal that would have just minded its own business
like this poor boa constrictor. Regardless, regardless they get, they

(01:42:58):
get theirs for it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Yeah, they end up encountering a preternaturally ginormous ana Conda,
a lah the nineteen nineties era action monster movie. And
obviously the big difference between this Anaconda and the original
Anaconda is the original Anaconda wasn't really intended to be
a comedy. It just kind of turned into one because

(01:43:22):
of how bad the CGI was and how dumb the
performances were. And in this one, they're intentionally making it
a comedy. It's it will still it remains to be
seen whether or not that'll be successful. I thought the
trailer was amusing, but it has not yet convinced me
that it's going to be a successful comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
Yeah, we'll have to see the There was another dead
animal in the trailer at the end, and that one
I was fine with because it genuinely made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
It's been long enough for me to have seen the
trailer that I don't remember what you were.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
I can't see so so in the trailer, they think
Jack Black's character has died. Oh yes, Simon's bait to
get off the island, and for some reason he's not
enough bait, so they put like a boar on him,
a dead bar on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
They essentially duct tape a dead boar to Jack Black's back.
So then he's you see him running away from the
snake with a and he's like screaming, what's on me?
And the els?

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
So that made me laugh despite myself.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
All right, well and this this movie comes out Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
So jolly. The next trailer is another trailer, like, I
don't know, maybe he should have been put with robin
Hood because it has so many things in it that
I should like, and it left me feeling nothing. And
that is the trailer for The Bride. As in the

(01:44:54):
Bride of Frankenstein.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
I feel the same way like it's it's starting to
it feels a little kitchen sink ish. Yeah. I watched
this trailer and didn't know what to think. So Maggie
Jillenhall directed this film and her brother is in it,
Jake Jillenhall is in it. Although Christian Bale plays Frankenstein's monster,

(01:45:19):
Jesse Buckley plays the Bride. Peter Sarsgard is a detective
in it, and Annette Benning plays a scientist named doctor
Euphronius and she's the one who actually creates the Bride.
So I'm guessing the story is supposed to be that
Frankenstein's monster has been around since Frankenstein made him decades earlier,

(01:45:43):
and it's just now that doctor Euphronius is like, you
need a companion and decides to create this bride character.
It's This movie was hard for me to get a
grip on because there are elements of dark comedy, there
are elements of action, there's some elements are elements of

(01:46:04):
horror as well, and I couldn't really get a handle
on what tone they were shooting for.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
And I think This is why it fell flat for
me is just because it, much like Willow, it doesn't
feel like it's committing to any one concept. Yeah, like
it's a nineteen twenty gangsters movie, but it's an art piece.
But it's a horror, but it's a dark comedy. It
just none of those pieces felt like they were committed

(01:46:37):
to and I it's like I do. I do think
it's interesting that, you know, they just, according to the trailer,
if I'm understanding it right, they found a woman and
they killed her because Frankenstein liked her, and then they
reanimated her to be his bride because they say at
the beginning of the trailer it wasn't an accident. This
was all purposeful. I also don't get the artistic choice

(01:47:00):
of her having a black splatter across her face.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't understand what that is either, right, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Yeah, like, it doesn't look like a burnmark from electricity.
It doesn't look like vomit that stained her, don't. I
don't know. Maybe they'll explain it. It just goes out
of place with everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Yeah, I don't know. I wanted to like this, I
really did, but it just didn't. It didn't quite work
for me. And also I feel like I feel like
this movie. I don't know what this movie's trying to say, right,
so I should preface this, but I feel like in

(01:47:43):
a world where Poor Things has already been a movie,
this film came out too late. Like if this film
had come out before Poor Things, maybe I would feel
more enthusiastic about it. But I feel like I feel
like Poor Things in captured that weird, quirky, unsettling and

(01:48:05):
yet humorous tone that at least parts of this trailer
seem like The Bride is going for. And again, maybe
that was just the trailer. Maybe I'm totally off about
what this movie's trying to be.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
But it could be like Dungeons and Dragons where the
trailer just doesn't capture it yeaeah, And I hope that's
the case.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Well, I gotta say, if the Dungeons and Dragons trailer
had the bit where the Bard is deflating, then I
would have been like, well, I've seen the best part
of the movie and there'd be no reason to watch
the rest. And I would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Right, you don't like the Paladin in that he was great?

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
I think the Bard deflating I don't think I had
laughed that hard in such a long time at a
movie like would that Happen? I was having trouble breathing.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
It was incredibly funny. But the moment where the Paladin's like,
all right, I'm done here and he just walks off
off straight and just and they just see him and
he just keeps walking, that made me laugh so hard
because it was metaphor me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Well, the Bride comes out March sixth next year, and
maybe maybe another trailer will come out that will make
us reconsider our initial reactions. But yeah, so far this
is one of those where I was like, I wanted
to like this, it didn't get me there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Yeah, the next thing I didn't know was going to happen,
But now that I've discovered it, I definitely want to
watch it. It's I believe a movie coming out on
Netflix called This Is Not a Murder Mystery.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Yeah, it's actually a series. It's a series not a series.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Well, now I'm even more interested about I Get tell
me if I've got this wrong. Murders keep happening at
a like basically a surrealist convention that Salvadar Dolly then
has to solve.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Well, Saladar Dolly is there. I don't think he's actually
the detective. So this is based off of very based
is too strong a word. This is inspired by something
that actually happened in that Magreet, the artist Magreet was
invited to England to attend an art exhibition gala kind

(01:50:20):
of thing that this very wealthy lord in England was throwing.
But everything else is fictional, all right. But it is
a group of surrealist artists like Magree and Salvador Dali
getting together and as you say, there's a murder, and
then other people are turning up dead, and so some

(01:50:41):
detectives are called in from Scotland yard to try and
solve what happens. The film itself, or the series itself,
I should say, incorporates elements of surrealism, although it's more
grounded than I anticipated, considering that it's about a bunch
of surrealist artists like Dalli. Does not come across nearly
as weird as Dolly actually was. Dolly comes across pretty normal,

(01:51:07):
at least in the trailer. But it looks interesting. It
definitely feels like it is pulling inspiration from the Knives
Out series.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
It does, it does but I like the Knives Out
series and I'm happy for more in that arena.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Yeah, and the series already came out in Belgium, but
I could not find a release date for when we
should expect it everywhere else, So that doesn't mean it
hasn't been announced. I was running out of time when
we went to record, so it may be that the
information's out there and I just didn't find it. It
looks it looks entertaining and weird, and I'm all for that.

(01:51:49):
If I watch it and I think, oh well, this
is kind of derivative of the Knives Out series, there
are worse things to be.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Yeah, yeah, the next movie is another one. I didn't
know what's happening, and I'm gonna be real honest. Even
though I was going to be a cast member of
the Edgar Allan Post Show, which is like a touring
high school show where I would have had to have
remembered word for word in a belly and the cask
of a manciato, and I was pretty close. I for

(01:52:20):
some reason thought the Oval Portrait in Dorian Gray were
the same, ding dang thing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
They're very close. So the Oval Portrait is a two
page story. So you can, like, literally, when we're done
with this, if you want to read it, it'll take
you no time at all. It's two pages long, and
I mean, i'll spoil it for you so you don't
even need to read it. The story is that there's
a guy he's either ill or injured or possibly both,

(01:52:51):
and he and he and his servant are taking shelter
in an abandoned a state and he's laying up in
a one of the rooms in this estate and is
looking over portraits that are in the room. He's got
like this little canalabra, it's lit up. He's looking at
the different portraits. There's a book that was by the bed,

(01:53:13):
and the book actually has information about all the different
works of art in the room. And at one point
he shifts, and when he shifts, the light hits this
oval portrait in the corner, and at first he thinks
there's a person in the room with him because the
portrait is so lifelike and it's of this young woman,

(01:53:34):
and he shocked, but then realizes he's looking at a picture,
and so then he uses the book and looks up
information about this portrait and learns that she was the
wife of the artist who painted it, and that she
was originally like very young and vivacious and loved life,
and she wasn't as excited about her husband's art because

(01:53:58):
her husband was so obsessed with art that it took
him away from her, and so she kind of got
resentful of the art. But he asks her to sit
for him so he can draw her portrait, and the
basic element of the story is that as he's painting
the portrait, it's literally draining the life force from her

(01:54:22):
and imbuing it into the painting. Is the reason his
painting is so amazing is because it's pulling the life
not that he wants to do this, but that's just
what's happening. It's essentially a suggesting that the artist himself
is a madman. So it's kind of like the picture
of Dorian Gray, but in reverse. Yeah, because Dorian Gray,

(01:54:46):
you've got a portrait that ages and that allows Dorian
Gray to remain young forever, and this one, you have
a portrait that captured the life force of the subject
of that portrait and she as a result spoiler alert,
the last sentence is like she was dead and then
that's the end of the story.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
So we're getting a movie, like a little indie movie
inspired by this story.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
Inspired inspired is carrying so much weight.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
I guess kind of of what happens to this portrait
after that?

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Guess because it's a two page story. There's no way
you could turn two pages into a feature length movie.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
I was I was going to ask if this is
how you felt about Like, if you felt about this
the same way you felt about night whoa, I can
say a sentence the same way you felt about Night Swim.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Yeah. Yeah. Night Swim was a YouTube horror short that
worked fine for a short because it's it's just an idea, right,
It's not a story. It's just an idea, and the
idea is creepy, and it works on that level. But
then you try and turn Night Swim into a feature
length movie and it just falls apart. That is how
I feel about this. Maybe it's an original story that is,

(01:56:02):
like it feels very ghost story adjacent, and I do
love ghost stories. But to me, it's just ridiculous that
they call it Edgar Allen POE'SE the Oval Portrait, because like,
how how do you turn two pages? You're not Peter Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
I mean, people can aspire to that whether they should.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
I love the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Peter Jackson
did wonderful with that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
So just me taking every opportunity I can to crap
on the Hobbit films.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Yeah yeah, Okay, Well we'll move on because we're almost
at two hours and we still have five things left
to talk about. The next thing is the item that
you mentioned earlier you moved from doesn't fit to do fit?
So did you move it because you are interested in it?

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
I am interested in it. It's called dust Bunny, and
it is It's got some if it follows some other
tropes that we have seen recently, that large one being.
It centers around a child who's who perhaps whose fantasies
have come to life, or maybe it's the case that

(01:57:10):
she is able to perceive something that adults just haven't seen.
In this case, it's monsters. She thinks there's a monster
under her bed, then her parents disappear, and then she
goes next door because her next door neighbor just happens
to be Mad's Michelson, who is a professional hitman, and
she hires him to kill the monsters. And I'm like,

(01:57:35):
how is this not like solidly in the purview of
large and our drud Colleider.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
I mean it is so it feels like it it
feels like John Wick and Slumberland had a child and
then showed us that child in the art style of
Bullet Train.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Yeah, it looks absolutely bonkers. I don't know that it
looks good, but it looks like I need to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
I definitely want to see it. Yeah, you described it perfectly.
I don't really have anything to add other than the
fact that I was like, I didn't think it was
going to be a kid's movie. I don't know if
it is a kid's movie, but it almost looks charming.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Yeah. It also has Sigourney Weaver in it, as well
as David Desmaukian.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Yeah, he's great. He's so good. He was great as
the Polka Dot man in The Suicide Squad, he was
great in Late Night with the Devil, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
He's brilliant as Garrathian and Murder.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Bought so good. So this comes out December fifth, and
I'm on board, Like, what a weird concept that's again,
this is one where it's a weird concept and the
execution looks like it's done in a way that's entertaining.
I don't know if I would say good, like I
wouldn't call Bullet Train good, but I do think it's entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Yeah, and I feel like this could be two, so
I'm hopeful for that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
Okay, what do you think about Mister K? Because when
the when the Mister K is the next trailer we're
going to talk about. When the thumbnail popped up in
my YouTube, I was like, this looks like Crispin Glover
being Crispin Glover and weird, and I don't know if
I'm in for it, But then I watched it and
I'm intrigued.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
I'm one hundred percent on board for Crispin Glover to
be Crispin Glover. I don't want to live in a
world that doesn't have Crispin Glover being weird in it.
So this movie technically came out in twenty twenty four,
but it hasn't received distribution in the United States right
it did like the festival circuit, so it's finally getting

(01:59:45):
released on October eighth. And Crispin Glover plays a magician
who either checks into a hotel or like an apartment
building in order to stay there and then find it's
a hotel, and he finds himself trapped there, like he
can't leave. He can't there is no leaving, there's no
exit to find, like you're lost. It's like you're in
a labyrinth, and everybody else there is also kind of trapped,

(02:00:09):
and they're all weird, like they're all everything is off
and unsettling and strange, and I kind of love how
weird it is, and I'm excited to learn more about it.
I want well not learn more about it. I don't
want to see any more trailers. I would rather watch

(02:00:29):
this and hope that it's intriguing and entertaining and strange
and not just weird for weird sake, like if it's
one of those where you watch it and then you're like, Okay, yeah,
they made weird choices, but they weren't saying anything that's
not interesting to me. But I'm hopeful that it ends
up being entertaining and perhaps insightful. I don't know what

(02:00:52):
the message would be, but yeah, I'm definitely curious.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
I would say, don't do speaking of spooky seasoning season,
spooky seasoning, spooky season, my video keeps like glitching my
face out on me and it's really weird. But I
will say don't read too much into the synopsis because
it will give some things away. I really love seeing

(02:01:18):
these more independent films that have done this, like the
film circuit, like.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
The film festivals, film festival.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Circuits get distribution like I love that, like both from
the aspect of like getting new stories and then also
from the aspect of promoting movies that maybe don't have
astronomical budgets but are still really good.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
Well, I think I think that's I mean, this is
a discussion for another time because we're running so long.
But I think that's a byproduct of post pandemic effects
on the box office, where the studios are becoming more
and more careful about diving into big budgets because it's
getting harder and harder to realize a profit on those

(02:02:07):
enormous investments, and so it's giving smaller, more independent features
a chance to get distribution that otherwise they might struggle for.
Like it used to be that in Atlanta at least,
if you wanted to see something that was on an
independent film circuit, you could go to the Terra or

(02:02:27):
the Plaza. Those are the two theaters that would run
like and they they're small theaters, like they only have
a few screens each. They're not like these megaplex theaters,
but those would be the two places you could go
to see the more like independent, quirky stuff everything else,
like like all the big theaters were taken up by

(02:02:47):
films from Marvels essentially anything Disney owns, Like, yeah, you
know so.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
And we do have a few more independent movie theaters.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Now, but yes, and but we're also seeing some of
those independent movies either getting bigger representation, better distribution because produce,
you know, studios are realizing, hey, this is a smaller
investment but potentially a bigger payoff, or we're just seeing
more room in theaters for these kind of movies to

(02:03:18):
also get a space to be played. So I think
that's pretty cool. But our next one is the opposite
of that. It is a big, big budget movie.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
Yeah. It is the second part of the Wicked movie,
Wicked for Good, the part that Jonathan thinks he's going
to sleep through. I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
The trailer looks better than what The reason I keep
complaining about this is because I think the best songs
in Wicked are in the first half. And that not
to say that there are no good songs in the
second half, but I don't like them as much.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
I can get that, like, there are there're some good songs,
but they aren't quite as catchy as the first half.
You know this, this part of the movie is going
to be a lot more emotional. Yeah, I can't tell
if I can't tell if they're giving it a happier
ending or not. I know, I know the play the
musical has a happier ending than the book.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
Oh yes, yeah, no, the play has. I would argue
the play ending is just outright happy for the most part.
I mean, like, certain characters don't get transformed back, so
that's kind of a bummer for them.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
But yeah, but but but I guess, kind of spoiler
if you didn't know. Some characters got transformed in some way.

Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
I'm not saying who gets transformed into what. I'm just
saying some characters go undergo a transformation and it doesn't
appear to be reversed.

Speaker 1 (02:04:45):
They get transformed into audience members and they really wish
they could go back to Oz.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
Like for example, Alphabe's sister gets transformed into paste. That's
not a spoiler. That's at the beginning of Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
That's true. Oh, you're right, she gets.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
A house dumped on her, Like everyone knows that part. Uh,
that's the that's the inciting incident for the Wicked Witch.
So uh yeah, I like she does not. She does
not magically go from ketchup back to sister. So uh.
I never saw the first one. I don't have any

(02:05:24):
interest in seeing this one, but I totally get the
excitement around it, and I think that's awesome. I think
people being excited about the story and the music and
and loving the world building, and like, it's clear that
an incredible amount of talent went into making these movies,
from costumes to hair and makeup to to the performances themselves. Like,

(02:05:47):
it's truly an incredible piece of entertainment. It's just not
appealing to me, which is the only reason why I
haven't watched it. But I recognize that it's legitimately really
good and for good I'm imagine will be even better.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
Yeah, the performances were phenomenal and yes, beautiful costumes, amazingly
cool sets like it. It's worth it just to watch
the Dancing Through Life number. If you haven't on YouTube.
I would say, because the set in the choreography and
that is that is loathing and dancing through life. Both
the choreography and the sets, if for that, are really wonderful.

(02:06:24):
Yeah worth just to check out those two things on
their own without sitting through the very, very long movie.
I will see the second part. I saw the first part.
I will say, I'm not like a huge fan of
the first part of the movie, or like, sorry, that's wrong,
I'm not a huge fan of the story. I never

(02:06:45):
saw the musical, so I've just seen the movie and
I've read up about the book and the musical. There
were some editing choices that I felt like, based off
of hearing the soundtrack before, were a little bit weird
that I would have changed, and I felt like, even
though they were able to explore things more, some some
development still felt rushed. But overall I did enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
Yeah, I've heard some of the songs and like all
the bits where the arrangement gets a little more pop
music ish kind of rubbed me the wrong way, but
that's because I'm a musical theater like fanatic, right. I
just I love the style of musical theater, and I

(02:07:28):
thought I love pop music too, but I like those
to be separate, and it's why like certain musicals, I
also find I often find them trying because they're they're
incorporating so much pop music elements into their style that
it also doesn't really appeal to me. So stuff like
The Greatest Showmen. There's one song in The Greatest Showman

(02:07:49):
I like, and that's it. Well, maybe one and a half.
I kind of like Million Dreams. It just goes on
way too long, but that's it. And the other one
that I really like is probably the most musical where
it's the where he's trying to make the deal, where
they're singing in the bar and the bartender has got
this incredible choreography, which turns out he was the choreographer,

(02:08:11):
so it makes sense. But yeah, so when I heard
music from Wicked, I was like, every time there was
like an ariana grande embellishment, uh, that kind of thing,
it just it kind of stuck in my ear a bit.
But that's because that's because I'm a fuddy duddy. It's not.
That's not saying that there was bad choices.

Speaker 1 (02:08:33):
I just didn't like them, so I didn't necessarily mind those.
There was one moment, and I apologize to everybody that
you're going to have to hear some approximation of me
even trying this where alphabet does the the iconic.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
Whatever, yeah, the target.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
I wasn't trying to do it. I could do it
if I tried. I'm not familiarly. Okay, that was not
good what I just did and iopol where like the
moment between like there was I felt like some extra
action or exposition between the previous part of the song
and that song. So listening to her do it after

(02:09:14):
like a pause felt weird and out of place. Yeah,
I get you, so, like they show her flying and
she turns around and then she does it, but it
didn't by that point it just felt.

Speaker 2 (02:09:28):
Yeah, it didn't feel natural totally. Well, the sequel comes
out November twenty first, and I know that it's going
to be a huge hit, Like there's no question to me,
Like it's going to be one of the biggest hits
of twenty twenty five from a box office perspective, I
wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being like possibly

(02:09:49):
the top earner for twenty twenty five, especially going into
that like the Thanksgiving week that's going to be one
of those that a lot of people go to. So yeah,
not to wait before that comes out. And then we've
got a couple more things to talk about. We've gotten
animated film I believe that's coming on Apple TV Plus

(02:10:10):
called Sister's Grim comes out October third. It's based off
a it's a series. It's a series. Okay, it's based
off a series of children's or young adult novels where
you have these two sisters who discover they are the
descendants of the brothers Grim and moreover that there is
a location where all the characters from fairy tales really

(02:10:35):
live and it gets a little bit of Once upon
a Time ish but for kids.

Speaker 1 (02:10:40):
Yeah, I think in fact, they called the different characters
once upon a timers, Prince Charming and Pan and all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:10:47):
And you see stuff you see Humpty Dumpty there in
one of them, and.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
Yeah, I mean that's pretty much it. It looks darling, Yeah,
it looks.

Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
It looks like it's it looks like it's a pretty creative.
And you know, if Once upon a Time didn't exist,
I would think it would be really innovative. But I
look at this like, oh, it's an animated children's version
of Once Upon a Time, which honestly I could never
get into because it was just so much.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
I think Once was also geared more towards adults, or
at least young adults.

Speaker 2 (02:11:19):
Yeah, well, it felt to me like it was geared
towards adults without being sophisticated enough for me to take
it seriously. I found it. I was like, Okay, this
is American horror story, but for fairy tales instead of horror.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
Yeah, but it had a little bit of a ya
feel to the plot lines.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
Yes, yes, yes, that's a good way for it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
Well, that about covers it for Sister Grim. We've got
one more story, and that is there is a kickstarter
for The Dragon King, which is based off of I
think The dragon Prints on Netflix already.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
Yeah, so it's an animated series, or at least it
would be an animated series, and creatives who are trying
to bring this to life include folks from The Dragon Prints, Avatar,
The Last Airbender, and Critical Role. Yeah. Liam O'Brien, Yeah,
he's involved in it. I went and looked at the kickstarter.

(02:12:20):
Their goal was to hit two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
At the time of our recording and it may even
be higher by the time we're doing this, but it
was close to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, so.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
More than funded in under five hours.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
So yeah, triple what they were looking for. And usually
when you see something like this where you're looking at like,
they have a teaser, an animated teaser kind of giving
you a feel for the animation style and art style
and everything. But usually when you see a project like
this on a crowdfunding campaign, the goal is not to

(02:12:57):
raise all the money you need in order to fund
the project. It's to prove two investors that there is
an audience that is willing to put up their money
in order for this to happen, so that the investors
will then go and fund the rest of the project.
So I would not be surprised if that's the case here,

(02:13:19):
because there's no way two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
would cover an animated series.

Speaker 1 (02:13:23):
Just yeah, but there. I think the teaser trailer for
it looks really good. I haven't even watched the dragon Prints,
but I am super into this. I might have to
go watch the dragon Prints. Now. There are still nineteen
days to this campaign, so it is successful. You could
also add your support to it to show your interest

(02:13:45):
as well, if you wanted to.

Speaker 2 (02:13:48):
Yeah, yeah, so that's it. If you want to support
art that you think exists should exist in the world,
you can go and do that. And if if this
project appeals to you. Obviously, I'm not just saying go
out and support stuff just to so it'll exist, because
not all art is necessarily worth your time. Like that's

(02:14:10):
a very personal kind of decision you have to make,
but it's it's cool to see it happen.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
Yeah, for sure. And that is the end of our
epic return episode. Yay.

Speaker 2 (02:14:22):
We're almost as long as a Peter Jackson movie.

Speaker 1 (02:14:27):
But only as long as two episodes, so sorry, we
should have pushed for three hours.

Speaker 2 (02:14:34):
The nice thing is that there won't be that much editing.
There was a bit where there was a booby trap
in the middle of the episode that I'll have to
edit out.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
But other than that, I really hope you don't hear
my new setup going Wonka Wonka, Wonka wonka wonk as
the table moves the entire time. Yeah, but if so,
I'll fix it or I just won't touch my table. Jonathan.
This has been a long episode. Do you want to
even tell people how to get in touch with you?

Speaker 2 (02:14:57):
I actually already did. Yeah, I already in the episode,
I left purposeful instructions on how to get in touch
with me. It's like in the middle of the episode.
So if you didn't, if you didn't catch it, what
you're gonna have to do is delete this episode and

(02:15:18):
download it again and then and then listen, because I
mean there's a chance that I edited it out and
then only later on, like a few days from now,
I will edit it back in republish it. And the
only way you'll know is if you delete and redownload
and listen all over again.

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
So but it's there, Okay, I must have disassociated then.
And if you did like me and you can't go
through all those steps though, sure delete us and download
us again, and then you can reach out to us
on social media on Facebook and threads and Instagram or
a large new drunk collider that is also our discord handle.

(02:16:01):
Come join our community. It's it's small but really cool,
and you can also email us longer form. Our email
is large nerdron Pod at gmail dot com. We have
a website. Guess what that's out a date. I'll work
on getting it updated, but you can find our show
notes or an invitation to our disaccord. There. That is

(02:16:24):
it again, thank you for listening, thank you for your
patients as we got back to it, and until next time.
I am Auriel, don't got an insert for this one
cast in.

Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
And I am Jonathan. This is not a podcast, Strickland,
well done. The large Nerdron Collider was created by Aeriel
Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted, published again. Curse
That by Jonathan Strickland. Music by Kevin McLeod of incomptech

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