LNC's Relationship With Star Trek: It's Complicated

Ariel and Jonathan talk about Star Trek, Starfleet Academy, and how Jonathan thinks his favorite Star Trek property ultimately ruined Trek. They also chat about geek recommendations that went wrong, news out of Comic Con, and Jonathan introduces a new, horrific segment to the show.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Larger Drunk Collider podcast, the
podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in the
world around us and how very excited we are about them.
I'm arial cast and with me is always this is
the delightful common Strickland.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Something spooky's going down now. Anything can happen on Halloween,
even in August.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's it's not even like half Aween.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's listen Ariel. Like three weeks ago, I was in
the mall and bed Bath and beyond had like an
entire Halloween display up in the front. It's been Halloween
for a hot minute.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I feel like starting January first, people start looking forward
to Halloween again, like I I love. We've talked about this.
I love pumpkin patches and fall leaves and apple cider.
But uh time it. Life is too short to wish
it away. So I enjoy every hot, sweltery sound a
day in Atlanta, or I try to.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I don't. I don't someone who is currently sitting in
an unair conditioned office, I will tell you I do
not like those days.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Eventually, I'm going to figure out a solution for you.
My problem solving brain is not letting this one quit.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
It'll It'll just be a bucket full of ice that
I'll be sitting in, I guess. But uh yeah, the
I am one of those people where I could be
happy with Halloween every single week. I'm like the character
from Mean Girls, like if I, if I could have
a wish, should be for every day to be Halloween

(01:47):
and also world peace. Maybe world peace should come first.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
You like you, like you like sexy, skimpy outfits, then.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I mean, there's no denying it. So we have a
whole bunch of stuff on our lineup this week. Interestingly,
not that much of it is actually directly from Comic Con,
but we will have some comic Con news as well.
But before we get into any of that, we have

(02:18):
our question, and this week, Ariel is the one doing
the asking.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I am so I know that you know you recommend
things to me, argument things to you. People. Geeky people
love to share their loves and so there's a lot
of recommendations that happen and they don't always hit and
that's okay, But what is the geek recommendation? It doesn't
have to be for me. It can't be for me
that you were given that has been the biggest miss

(02:45):
for you, like the one that just did not land
to you.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, I'm gonna say Bowl Star Galactica, the reboot series
would be mine. And obviously, I mean it's been years
and years and years since that was thing, But to
this day, I think of that as the thing that
a large number of my friends were totally into that
I just could not like even when I tried getting

(03:13):
into it, which was years after the fact, like the
series had concluded by the time I tried to get
into it, it just wasn't happening. So I'm gonna say
Battlestar Galactica a close follow up with Bribby Doctor Who,
which I've given multiple tries to, but it just again,
like even the episodes I liked, I just kind of

(03:33):
liked them. It never was a thing where it made
me want to see the next episode. It was more
like that encapsulated story I enjoyed before.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah, I totally get that. My long and like
Battlestar Galactica took a while for me to get into,
Like I tried watching it, but I had seen the
old version, right, and that's what I was expecting, And
it's not that at all, there are some same character,
it's some similar concepts here and there, but it's not Wow,

(04:05):
It's it's not the same thing at all. So I
had to like take some time and divorce myself from it.
But it's still a hard watch Doctor who I think
I grew up with, and that's why I love it.
But there are definitely episodes where I'm like day, Like
I had my favorite seasons and then I have seasons

(04:26):
that I don't really care for, but I watch out
of my completionist brain. For me, like my long standing
one is Firefly, because all of my friends loved Firefly.
They all were like, oh, you have to watch Firefly.
If you like Star Trek, you're gonna like Firefly. And

(04:49):
I didn't. Maybe that's why my partner and I are
such that's such a good team is because he also
does not like Firefly. And the acting is fine, the
stories are okay. None of it really grabbed me. I
didn't find any of the characters incredibly like well, except
for like Wash and Book, they were okay. And yeah,

(05:13):
I ended up watching the Heart of Gold episode, which
is not the strongest episode at all. Every time I
turned it on, it was that episode and so I
was burnt out on it before I even got to
watch the whole series, and by the time I watched it,
I'm like, I don't understand what the deal is, but
I know that a lot of people do love it,
and that's great. I also felt that way about The Expanse,

(05:38):
like I just there were too many characters. I couldn't
get into it, and I feel sad about that because
I know it's such a cool world, but I just
can't dig in enough to get there.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah. I never never got into the Expanse. I do
like Firefly, I would not put myself at the top
of the fan list there because, let me tell y'all,
I mean, it's easy for us to forget now. But
back in the day, the fandom known as the Brown Coats,
they were like they were off putting because they liked it.

(06:14):
So Like, I think we've talked about this before, how
sometimes fandoms can become so rabid that it turns you
off of something just from people being too pushy about it. Yeah, Like,
it has nothing to do with the merits of the
material itself. It's that the fan base comes across as obnoxious,

(06:37):
and that's what turns you off from the thing, and
you know, certainly like Star Wars fandom could be that way.
Star Trek fandom has been that way in the past,
so it's it's not something that's just for Joss Whedon apologists,
but certainly Joss Wheton apologists have made it an art form. Yeah,

(06:59):
I can see that. I like, there's lots of other
things I could add to this list. Practically any anime
series you can think of falls into this because I
just can't get into anime. Yeah, I just can't. I've tried. Yeah,
and there's not a there's not a single anime series
I've tried to watch that I liked.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
There are a couple that I have liked, but it's
it's definitely like I like try Gun and I like
Neon Genesis Evangelian, but but it is still can I
tell you the full story now?

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah? Well, yeah, I like whenever whenever I have to
watch a two hour long explainer video to kind of
get a grasp on what the heck is happening, I'm like,
you know what, I'm okay just skipping this one.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, do you like Studio Ghibli because that's yes.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, I like, I've only seen a couple of
the movies from Studio Ghibli, but the ones I've seen
I've liked, so those, those are slightly different. I'm thinking
more like anime series. Like my partner Becca, she's big
on things like she Loved Inuyasha and Full Metal Alchemist
and Death Note and Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Shamploo, and

(08:13):
I couldn't get into any of those.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, So Cowboy Bebop has whether he get into the
story or not, it has arguably one of the most
fun soundtracks.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, I love the I love the score to Cowboy Bebop,
like I actually I think I even have a vinyl
album of it. I love the music. I just couldn't
get into the series. So yeah. But also like American
Horror Story, it's another good example. Like I've I watched

(08:49):
all of season one and hated it, and I got
a little bit into season two and noped out, not
because of anything disturbing, but just because I found it
so exhausting. I felt like it was a kitchen sink
approach to horror, where every single type of horror was

(09:09):
being squeezed into a single season, and I just kept thinking,
like this is absurd, Like I like a good psychological horror.
I like a good supernatural horror. I like a good
medical horror. I like a good religious horror. They don't
all need to be in the same episode.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, they're all lovely flavors of skittles, but you
put them all in your mouth at the same time.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
And it tastes like licorice, which is junk. Licorice is junk.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I did try to leave out of this. You know,
when you live with a partner, you end up watching
a bunch of stuff that the other person likes it
they don't. And there have been several things that Tony
has been like, oh, you should watch this, and I
can't remember what they are. They made such an impact
on me, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, So I didn't really think of American Horror Story
as a big one for this because, honestly, not that
many people recommended it to me. I just I just
know people who have watched it and who have at
least enjoyed seasons of that show, and I just have
to say, like, there's season concepts that I find really intriguing,

(10:21):
but I have there's not a single one that I've
watched that I liked so.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, I mean like I also, so that would be
like a self recommendation that didn't hit. I have plenty
of those where I'm so excited for about it, for it,
and then I'm like, ah, this just it's not It
wasn't for me. Yeah, Like the movie Sorry to Bother You,
really interesting, well done, artsy movie.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
That just.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I logically I get the concept and I like it,
which is why I was like, Oh, I'm gonna love
this movie. But execution wise, it was so weird, Like
I spent the entire movie trying and wanting to like
it and then just being like, I am not actually
getting enjoyment from this.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, I mean I get it. Well, let us move
on from the things that ended up being misfires to
things that we watched since the last time we recorded.
So Ariel, what have you been watching?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Very very little? Some drop out stuff. This week's game
Changer made me tear up. It was delightful and sweet.
I'm continuing through the Love Death Robots Anthology, or as
it should be more aptly named, the Love People's Junk

(11:48):
and Robots Anthology, and I'm really just watching task Master.
I've been doing some things that are great for my
health the past couple of weeks, but have meant that
I'm super tired and task Master is the right level
of funny. But don't have to think about it too

(12:10):
hard to keep my attention right now.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, you don't. You don't have to be super
duper engaged in order to enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I watched the Fantastic Four movie. I went and saw
it on my lonesome, and I enjoyed it. I think
I enjoyed it more than Thunderbolts, and I like Thunderbolts.
I liked this one too, Like it's the performance has

(12:40):
really brought it together for me. I enjoyed that. I
I don't think it's among the best of Marvel, but
it's in the top half. Like it's it's higher up
than the middle.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I was about to say, because like saying it's not
the best of Marvel has been where we're at for
where we been at for a good while now.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, I mean, like again, top of the list for
me still is Winter Soldier. That's like my favorite Marvel movie.
This is probably somewhere along the line of maybe a
little ahead of shang Chi, which I also liked. But yeah,
I think it's I think it's a fun movie. It

(13:24):
is refreshing to go see a Marvel movie where you
do not need to have seen any other Marvel property
in order to understand what the heck is going on,
because there is no connection to anything else, So that
I think is very helpful. I also watched part of
the first episode of The Institute. I had planned to

(13:46):
go back and watch the rest of it, but I
never got around to it.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
This is the.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, well it's also the subject matter. It's just it's
super dark. It's I mean, it's based off a Stephen
King story or Steve King novel, so there you go.
But yeah, this is the one where it's kids who
have been essentially kidnapped and put into a secret institution
because the kids have demonstrated uh, special psychic abilities like

(14:15):
telekinesis or telepathy, and so they're essentially being trained up
to be tools of the military industrial complex and and
and yeah, it is such a story. Does not start
off all happy, shiny, fuzzy, and it gets worse. So
so it's it's.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Not it's not new Mutants goes into Professor X's university, for.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
It would be if Professor X first killed all of
the new Mutants family so that there'd be no one
to take them back and then and then imprisoned them
in his special school. Then it would be the same. Yeah,
I it only the first episode is available to me

(15:03):
for free because it was just like an Amazon Prime thing.
I do not think I'll be spending the money to
watch the rest of it. I can. I think it's
well made, and I think people who are fans of
that kind of stuff are going to get a lot
out of it. I just don't think it's the right
thing for me right now.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Is it darker than The Boys?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Uh, that's a hard question to answer, because The Boys
is real dark too. It's less questions, it's less violent,
you know. It's it's not as because The Boys goes
into like over the top it's like invincible, right. You
get these over the top graphic violent scenes in The Boys.

(15:47):
That's not really what the Institute's about. It's more like
how horrifying this whole concept is about these children who
have had their entire lives turned upside down and their
family slaughtered so that they can be turned into telepathic
assassins or whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah. Fun. You know what though, it's interesting because, like
I thought for sure all of Institute. Is it an
HBO show?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I don't think No, No, it's not no, because it's
on Prime, so it's got to be. No, it's I
think it's MGM Plus Okay, because because it's it's one
of the many services I otherwise do not have.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah. Yeah, I ran into that too, this like past
week with Nautilus, because I thought that that was going
to be an Amazon Prime series, But apparently it's an
AMC Plus series Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
And this one's the one about like Nemo. Yeah, is
in like twenty thousand Leagues under the Sea.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, the Disney, the Disney We talked about it a
while back, the Disney show that got canceled by Disney
and then picked up by I thought Amazon, but apparently not.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Gotcha y again, Like this is just where we're at now,
where the streaming landscape is so convoluted and complicated that
it's impossible to be able to keep up with everything
unless you just missed the money banks and can subscribe
to every single service.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know that's they'll figure Hopefully they'll figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Either they'll figure it out or everyone will go bankrupt.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
And then we will be back to Punch and Judy
shows on street corners, which.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Could be yep, well, how about we we transition over
to thirty seconds or less? Yes, let's okay, I believe
I go first. Well, then, Comic Con was last weekend
and George Lucas was there for the first time. He
wasn't there to talk Star Wars or Indiana Jones or

(17:55):
anything like that, but rather to talk about a museum
called the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, which is slated
to open next year. The museum will focus on narrative
formats like comic books, movies, television, and other storytelling methods,
including stuff from ancient mythology, which sounds pretty nifty.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Also, at San Diego Comic Con twenty twenty five, we
got news about Coyote Versus Acme. If you don't remember,
that was the John Cena Coyote Roadrunner movie that got
shelved when Zaslov took over an HBO in a money
saving effort. While fans have rallied and it is coming
back and it is going to get released in twenty

(18:36):
twenty six. I wish that the Supergirl movie had gotten
a release instead, because that's more interesting. To me, but
I understand why not.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, there were some notable absences from Comic Con this year.
The Marvel Cinemac universe sat this one out, and DC
really only promoted the upcoming season two of Peacemaker. We
did get that trailer for Aztec Batman, but we talked
about that last week, and Marvel Comics will have its
own end game event. But for the ultimate series.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Apparently we're getting a Rick and Morty spin off dealing
with the president from Rick and Morty, who sometimes is
friend and sometimes is foe. Included in the cast will
also be Stephanie Miatriz and Jim Rash, so very funny
voice cast. I don't really have any opinion on this
because Ricky Morty is one of those shows that was

(19:32):
a miss for me.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, some more Comic Con news in the actual world
of comic books, the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles will be
facing off against Godzilla in an upcoming comic and Captain
America will put a Shields integrity to the test as
he faces off against a Xeno morph. Between those two,
I'd likely pick up the TMNT issues, particularly now that
Freddi Williams's voice to take over art starting in December.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Also, apparently there is a Johnny Depp Ridley Scott weird
comic coming out, But the trailer is it feels like
a twenty four hour film festival.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's from It's Hyde, So the premise of that is
that mister Hyde has suppressed Doctor Jekyl effectively. Doctor Jekyl
is dead and mister Hyde is now running amok and
through the London sewers and committing atrocities on people. You know,
fun stuff fun.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
So it's just real weird sag after It and Nielsen
have renewed their contract for streaming metrics, which is great.
Nielsen kind of helps bridge the gap between streaming network
viewers and the union to make sure that the actors
are getting compensated properly for their work, which is part

(20:56):
of what all of the strikes last year were for,
to make sure that people were getting fairly comments. So
that's great news.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
We know we've got a couple of Avengers films and
a Spider Man movie on the way, but what else
is in store for the future of the MCU. Well,
according to Variety, the anticipated X Men movie will take
a while to get here. Marvel does have July twenty third,
twenty twenty seven, reserved for a film release, but where
it is X Men ain't it scuttle, but suggests it

(21:27):
could potentially beat Black Panther three, Well what about Blade? Shh,
don't you worry your pretty little head about that. It's
none of your concern, but it is.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
It is my concern.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'm sorry to tell you there's no information about whin
Blade if, if it does become a real thing, when
that will be.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
This feels like the Duke Nukeom of the Marvel universe.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
It really is is Duke Nukem Forever, but done as
a movie. Here's the thing is that is that, no
matter how good it is, it's not going to live
up to what people are hoping it'll be after all
the delays. That's the I mean, it's kind of just
in a no win scenario at this point.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Which is so sad because I was so excited for
it at the beginning. I liked Blade by the original.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm still hopeful it will be good. I'm just worried
that people will be like, well, that wasn't worth the wait,
no matter how good it is, right, Like, there's going
to be some jerkfaces like that. Okay, Well, now that
we're done with thirty seconds or less, it's time to
move on to our segment that has no good name,
but we call it stuff that doesn't fit.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
A parentheses, stuff that sometimes does kind of fit.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, well it's like debatable. Typically it's stuff that's on
the cusp. But first up, we have a rom com
called Eternity that stars Miles Teller and Elizabeth Olsen. This
trailer was cute.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah. Yeah. A guy passes away and gets reunited with
his wife, who has also passed away. Uh, and then
the quirky antics is that her previous husband, who had
passed away, also gets reunited with her, and so then
she kind of has to choose between the two husbands

(23:23):
that she had, both of whom she loved.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, she has to choose which which one? Which one
does she spend Eternity with?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Like it's just I mean, it's going to be
sad for somebody maybe probably possibly, but like the trailer
is an absolute delight to watch.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, it reminded me of a comedy that came out
years ago called Defending Your Life, which is also set
in like in like a bureaucratic afterlife where you're in
sort of a waiting area while while decisions are made
as to where you will spend you know, your afterlife,
or if you'll be sent back to Earth to be
reincarnated to try again. That's the premise of defending your life.

(24:08):
But yeah, Eternity comes out in November, and yeah, it
looks cute. I'll probably watch this once it's on streaming.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, me too, Me too. Like, I don't watch a
lot of things that I know are going to make
me cry, but this one feels like it will be
happy and fun enough that I can deal with the tears.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, it definitely looks like it's a good mixture of
sweet and silly as well, like the And it looks
like there's some decent chemistry there between Miles Teller and
Elizabeth Olsen. So I am I'm encouraged by this trailer.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Speaking of things that might be bittersweet, we also got
a trailer for Blue Moon, which is a Rogers and
Heart story.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, Rogers and Heart slash Rogers and Hammerstein. So, if
you are unfamiliar with the history of musical theater, back
in like the twenties, thirties and early forties, there was
this pair of writer slash composer where you have Laurence
Hart who was the lyricist, and Richard Rogers who was

(25:17):
the composer, kind of pair up and they did a
whole bunch of different musicals. Laurence Heart is the lyricist
behind like really notable songs like Blue Moon or My
Funny Valentine where the lady is a tramp. And the
movie is about the last part of Laurence Heart's life,

(25:38):
so this is like a biopic kind of thing of
a slice of Laurence Heart is when Rogers has found
a new professional partner in Oscar Hammerstein the second so
you get Rogers and Hammerstein and they've created Oklahoma, which
I think was like their second project, and Heart is

(26:01):
kind of struggling with the fact that he is no
longer part of this partnership and that the new partnership
looks like it's working really well. So he's kind of
wrestling with self doubt, just like in real life. In
the movie, he's struggling with alcoholism. But despite these very

(26:22):
heavy kind of topics, the film itself looks like it
has a lot of bittersweet, comedic elements to it that
really appealed to me.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, Like I could tell that the
story was sad, but it was the trailer is done
in such a charming way that you want to go
on that journey.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah. And Ethan Hawk is playing the part of Lauren's Heart,
and I seriously didn't Like I could recognize his face,
but it couldn't place it because he looks so different.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Same. Yeah, yeah, this I will watch this one, Yeah
for sure, And like this is what this is one
of the ones that could have fit into geeky because
I know we have you know, delightful listeners who are
also musical theater nerds like us.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah. Yeah, Andrew Scott is playing Rogers, so Moriarty from
Sherlock is Rogers. It's The movie is set in nineteen
forty three, which, if you know your history, that's also
the same year that Heart passed away. His story is

(27:34):
a pretty tragic one, especially towards the end of his life,
mostly due to the alcoholism, but also due to he
lost his mother, and he and his mother were like
you could argue there was a codependent relationship there, but
whatever the fact, you know, he was never the same
after his mother passed away. So yeah, definitely looks like

(27:55):
a romantic, sad but funny treatment of Heart's life. And yeah,
the trailer is fantastic. I've also heard that I think
Andrew Scott won an award at a film festival for
his portrayal of Richard Rogers. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I wouldn't be surprised, you know. I like these these
slice of life movies. I like that they're coming back.
You know, we've had years of big budget blockbusters, and
I even know that during like one Hot Ones interview,
it was Matt Damon who was like, yeah, the like
the cider House Rules kind of Dead Poets Society kind

(28:33):
of movies are by the wayside. Nobody wants to pay
for a Slice of life movie anymore. But I'm glad
that they're kind of making a comeback.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Same, yeah, I think. I think also the economics of
movie making have reached a point where it does make
sense to go back to smaller budget films because you
have more of a chance of making your money back.
You know, we've seen so many big budget films kind
of of not necessarily bomb, but failed to perform to

(29:04):
the standards that we saw pre COVID, like, and there
are a lot of different factors that play into that.
I don't think it's one thing. I think it's lots
of things, including like the studios just trying to churn
out stuff at a crazy rate in an effort to
keep the money train going. But yeah, I like seeing

(29:26):
these kinds of projects beyond just horror. Like horror has
always been this way where it's always been like, oh, well,
let's make a low to mid budget horror movie. They're
cheap and they're relatively easy to do, and they always
make money. It's nice to see other genres get that
treatment too.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, And I you know, I'm hopeful. I know that.
I know that many people say that entertainment is changing
because attention spans are going away, and everybody likes like
the short form media that you get on so short
form entertainment you get on social media. Vertical shorts are
a huge thing. I see auditions for lately which are
like the little soap operas but for TikTok, But they

(30:08):
are not my thing, you know. But like a lot
of them are romance novelly, and that's also hasn't been
my thing. But I really hope that this ushers in
just like this renaissance of creativity and storytelling, because you know,
if you're working with smaller budgets, but you want to
get people's attention, like Shoot for the Fences. I'm I'm

(30:30):
I'm hopeful that we get some cool new stuff out
of this. I'm you know, I don't know if that's
a pipe dream, but.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, well I will hold out hope as well. And
I hate knowing about the shorts thing.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry I did that.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Since I'm not on since I'm not on social anymore,
all of that is news to me, and I hate it.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
You know, to each their own. We got a trailer
for a not too dope a story called Goat.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah. It's an animated film. It's done by the same
team that did the Spider Verse movies and K Pop
Demon Hunters, and it is set in the world of
talking animals similar to Zootobia, you know, like kind of
anthropomorphic animals, and the main character is a goat named
Will Harris who wants to be a professional roar ball player.

(31:27):
Roarer Ball is just basketball, but animals play it and
it looks cute. It's got a good voice cast too.
There's like folks like David Harbor, Patton Oswalt, Nick Kroll,
Gabrielle Union.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Caleb mcgloughlin, place, the place, the main character. Sorry I
jumped on you. Who does Caleb McLoughlin So, oh, okay,
you're like, I don't know who he is. He played
one of the twins in Blackish and was also a
voice actor in Our Caine. He's a very good actor
and I'm excited to see him doing more stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
So that's great. Yeah, I know Jennifer Hudsonson as well.
Nicola Coughlin, who Ariel will get to know better when
she makes her way back through the Taskmaster playlist and
hits her episode.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I feel like I know who Nicola. I know who
Nicola Coughlin is.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
What you watch Dairy Girls.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I've seen some Dairy Girls, but I also watch Bridgerton.
She's like one of the main characters in that.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I forgot that she's in that.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
That was seen some Dairy Girls.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
That was after I dropped off the face of the planet.
So Goat comes out February thirteenth next year. It looks cute.
I don't know that it's my kind of thing. I'm
not big into the sports, Like I never saw Space Jam.
So it's this isn't a new thing for me. I
just never got into those kind of movies.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I'd say, Acne Versus Coyote feels a lot more space
jam than this does. This. This is basketball, and I'm
not a basketball fan either, but I wasn't a soccer
fan and I loved I love Ted Lasso And this
is also I guess full contact MMA level basketball called
roar ball.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So yeah, fine, still not for me, all right. Next up,
we also got a trailer, or really a teaser. It's
not a trailer for a documentary about Francis Ford Coppola's
quest to make Megalopolis. It's called Mega doc It is
coming soon. That's about all we can say about it
other than Francis Ford Coppola justifies the fact that he

(33:28):
spent one hundred and twenty million dollars of his own
money to make the movie because he thought it would
be quote fun, and.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
He said that. He said that in the trailer. Nobody
working on it knew how weird the movie was going
to be, except for maybe him. I I feel like
that I don't want to, I don't want to say
disparaging things, but my first and I'm sure this is
not it like, it is such a bizarre movie that

(33:55):
I'm sure a documentary on how it got made will
be interesting. But in my brain, it's like, is this
is this trying to pivot Megaopolis into like The Room
because it didn't do well.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I don't. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
No.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I think it's more like I think it's more like
you look at you look at certain films that were
incredibly ambitious and it turns out that the story of
making the film is at least as interesting as the
film itself, Like Jaws has that, Apocalypse Now has that.
So there's a history of this kind of thing where

(34:34):
there were documentaries that were, you know, just trying to
chronicle these very ambitious projects for whatever reason. And also
like The Room doesn't have a documentary, it has a
BS biopic that was that is largely fictional.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I mean I know that, but I like trying to
pivot the perception into that kind of cinema creation.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think the documentary. I think the documentary exists. I mean,
I don't know, but like, my my impression is the
documentary exists just because it was such a weird attempt,
like a weird thing for a filmmaker to do. On
their own with their own money, you know, because like
I don't think the documentary crew has any skin in
the game whether Megalopolis goes on to have any kind

(35:25):
of lasting impact beyond its you know, moment in history.
Like I don't ever hear anyone talk about it now.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, yeah, but it was so weird. I, like I said,
I'm sure that the story behind it is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I just.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I just was kind of at the same time, like, oh,
this is this is a thing.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, I would be more likely to watch Mega doc
than I would to watch Megalopolis if I'm bees. Well,
now we have a new segment for our show, because
I decided that, like, I do like talking about horror,
but it's not really Ariel's bag. And also I didn't

(36:09):
want to have I had often used I used to
put horror movie trailers at the end of our episodes,
and that made Ariel sad, and I don't want to
make Ariel sad, So I decided I'd move a new
segment that I am calling John Boy's Horror Hutch. This
is where I talk about trailers for stuff that falls
into the horror genres, and it removes it from us

(36:32):
having to have conversations. So I'm just going to go
through these pretty quickly. Ariel will chime in if she
has anything to say, but she has already revealed to me,
folks that she skipped these, which is totally fine because
I told her she could.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I have seen at least one of them. I might
have seen too. We'll see, all right.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, first up, we have a trailer for hell House
LLC lineage. So this is the fifth film in the
hell House LLC. Friend, and this is actually a franchise,
I really dig I wouldn't say these are all great movies,
but I enjoy each of them for different reasons. The
third one is I can't curse on this show. The

(37:13):
third one is Bonker's Goo Goo Crazy Pants, and I
love it anyway. The others are also they're crazy in
different ways, but the third one is just like what
like anyway? I love all of them, and this is
the fifth one. The only thing is that it's taking
a totally different approach because the first four movies are

(37:36):
in that found footage style, right, it's either like documentarians
or whatever. This one is not done in that style.
It's done as a cinematic film, like a regular movie,
which is unusual. Also, the creator of the series, Stephen Cognetti,
has suggested this could potentially be the final film in

(37:58):
the franchise, which is also strange because they introduced in
a previous movie a crazy, cursed carnival that they've never explored.
They just have had, you know, like lore from it.
And I was sure that we were going to get
a crazy carnival movie, but that does not seem to
be this one, So maybe we just never get to

(38:20):
learn more about the carnival. It looks like it's trying
to tie things together between the fourth film, which was
set in the Carmichael manner, and the other movies which
were set in and around the Abadon Hotel, And it
looks like it has a little bit of I Know

(38:40):
what you did last summer energy to it as well,
like it sounds like there's a an incident in which
people struck and killed an innocent person and that has
kind of started a chain of haunted violence. I'm still
gonna watch this because I'm totally invested in this franchise.

(39:01):
It comes out August twentieth. Next up, we have a
trailer for a movie called Whistle. I would say this
is kind of similar to The Monkey, where you have
a wind up monkey, and every time the monkey starts
to play his drum, it presages the fact that someone
is going to die. Same thing, except now it's a
little carved whistle with a skull on it, and if
you blow on the whistle and you hear the whistle,

(39:23):
then you're gonna die. Got a little bit of final
destination vibes in there, too. Looks like it's more gritty
and scary than the Monkey was. The Monkey looked like
it was a bit over the top and almost absurd
in its level of violence. This seems less, so it
seems more like supposed to be more spooky. Nick Frost

(39:46):
is in it, and I love Nick Frost.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Not all of these things have been a hit, though.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I have not watched the one where he believes he's
in a sitcom. I haven't seen that one. But I
did see the one where he's on he's he's with
his family on vacation, and that was okay.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I guess it's okay, I guess if you're throwing spaghetti
at all.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, eventually a noodle Wi Stick. This one comes out
next year. Next up. They've got a trailer for the
Jester two. I did not know there was a Jester
one that came out in twenty twenty three, and I
also didn't know these were based off some short films
that were on YouTube back in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
They were my favorite kind of horror movie.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah, And watching the trailer, I'm like, oh, this
does look like it's guilty of the exact same things
I hate about, you know, horror movies that respawned from
a short film where they just cannot support a feature
length running time, and yet they did it anyway. It
also looks like a kind of knockoff of Terrifier, And

(40:52):
as I mentioned in the last episode, I hate the
Terrifier franchise, so it doesn't win any points for me.
But yeah, if you if you like spooky clown type things,
maybe check out The Jester too.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Thank you for putting this one in horror, because if
I had seen that in like my feedlely, I would
have been like, oh, a nice little fantasy history piece.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
So I think you would have watched the very beginning
going like, oh no, this is a horror movie and
it's derivative and it's not particularly scary, and you would
have just bounced. I don't think it like it doesn't
start off with like absolute gore or anything, but it yeah,
none of it. It didn't hit me at all. If
you are interested in the Jester, that's cool. I don't
want to yuck. You're yum. It comes out September fifteenth

(41:35):
and sixteenth to theaters like literally those two days, and
then I think it's video on demand. Then we have
a trailer for Queen of Bones. This is a historical
period horror movie where Martin Freeman is in it, and
he plays a dad of two teenage children, a boy
and a girl, And it seems to be that every

(41:58):
year he tells the story about how their mother died,
and the sun tells Like in a scene where the
son and daughter are in their room, the sun is saying,
do you ever notice how the story changes year to year?
Like I think he's hiding something. So there's like intrigue,
like did the dad have something to do with the
mom's death. There's a point where people bring some of

(42:21):
the mother's belongings to the house like they had been
stored somewhere else, and the belongings include a mysterious book
with sigils on it, so there's like a Witchcraft element
to the story, so there's like it makes me think
of the Witch, where there's some psychological elements and potentially
some supernatural ones. I'm not convinced that it's a supernatural horror,

(42:43):
but it looks really intense, so that looks like it's
going to be pretty good. I got another trailer for
The Long Walk. We've talked about The Long Walk, so
I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time
here except that it was a good trailer. This one
you did see because you sent me the link.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, yeah, I did see the trailer for The Long Walk.
I agree. It was a good It looks like the
movie is going to be very well done and the
acting is going to be great, and it's going to
make you feel things, and I just I don't The
concept upsets me at a visceral level, so I can't
watch it.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh yeah, no, it's a it's a very upset like
I've read the novella and it's an upsetting novella. And
I probably will watch this because I already know what
I'm getting into, having read the story that it comes from,
and I also want to see Mark Hamill play a
bad guy, and I like what I like the work
he's doing in the trailers, so kind of kind of

(43:33):
digging that. That comes out September fifteenth. And then finally
there was a trailer for The Conjuring Last Rites, the
fourth Conjuring movie. It's about the hoaxter and scam artists
known as the Warrens. They are not portrayed as hoaxters
and scam artists in the Conjuring series. They are portrayed
as sincere and capable mystics and demonologists just know that

(43:58):
a lot of the stuff they talked about just never happened.
So I have strong feelings about this because turning people
who made up stories about hauntings into like a cinematic
universe is, in my mind, celebrating and preserving the memory
of the wrong people.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
You also didn't like The Greatest Showman, did you?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
No? No, I don't like The great Listen. I would
love for there to be a musical about PT. Barnum's
life that was accurate actually yeah, factual. That would be fantastic,
But The Greatest Showman is like garbage.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
I mean, I do appreciate your commitment to making sure
that whenever we talk about the Conjuring people know one
it was supposedly based on real people, and that two
they're romanticizing those people's bad behavior.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, comes out September fifth. I will say like, I
watched the first couple of Conjuring movies, and I felt
that they were effective supernatural horror movies, right, Putting aside
my feelings about the Warrens, I thought the movies were
well made and spooky. This trailer did not give me

(45:15):
spooky vibes. But again, it could just be the way
the trailer is cut or I don't know who directed
this one. I don't think it was James wand who
was the one who did the first one. But yeah,
this one just didn't do much for me. I think
it's because it just looks way too similar to previous entries,
and like once a magician shows you how a magic

(45:37):
trick works, it's not that interesting to watch it again.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Okay, that's all from John Boy's Horror Hutch. There was
a lot this week. I don't expect every week to
be like that. And now I'm going to be quiet
for a bit.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
So yes, So now we're getting into the things that
like I am half I was gonna say that I'm
excited about. Really, the first one is the one that
I'm very excited that there are three that I'm very
excited about, and some other ones that I was surprised
looked pretty good. So the first is we got an

(46:16):
actual trailer for Peacemaker season two, and I know we
had a teaser. This trailer tells us a lot more
about the story that's gonna happen and how James Gunn
is going to bring Peacemaker into the proper DC Cinematic.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Universe, at least for a while anyway. Yeah, yeah, because
there's there's a portal and he has it.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, like the trailer, the trailer is basically the overview Peacemaker.
Season one of Peacemaker was a lot of like super crass.
This guy who is problematic in every way a guy
can be problematic who believes he's a superhero learns to
actually be a decent person. And I was surprised in

(47:02):
season one how much I ended up liking and feeling
liking his character and feeling for him. Like the acting
was superb, the story was great, and there is a
lot of like runch to get through, right. It's because
that's the kind of property it is. But I didn't
end up minding going through it because again, the story

(47:25):
was so so compelling to watch.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah. It is a good ensemble too, a really strong ensemble,
and John Cena is quite charming even playing a total idiot.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah yeah. So in season two, he's continuing his journey
of growth. He wants to actually be a good guy.
He wants to be known for being a good guy
and is frustrated with the basically the reputation he's made
for himself previously and the struggle it is to get
out of it. And he gets the opportunity to go

(48:02):
into another world where he can realize all of these
dreams he has.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, where the other version of himself is revered as
a hero.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah Yeah. And then it looks like the story is
going to go into well, he is needed, he just
doesn't feel he's needed in his actual world. I'm it
looks great. I am so excited for this.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, Rick Rick Flagg Senior needs him because he needs
to kill him.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, yeah, I do love that. First of all, James
Gunn has been making a whole lot of wins for
me in his movie making career lately, so I'm a fan.
I love that he is using the voice actors from
Creature Commandos in his live action stuff. How many times
do voice actors get recast even though they could do

(48:50):
on screen stuff. I love it. I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, this season begins August twenty first, so we don't
have that long to wait and excited about it too.
I also can't wait to see what the new opening
sequence looks like, and I hope, I know that the
temptation is going to be to release that ahead of
the series actually launching, but I would love for it
to be one of those things where the first time

(49:15):
you see it is when that first episode drops.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I agree. I agree. There's a bunch of stuff coming
out in August that I'm excited for and I can't
I have. I need to keep a list because I
keep forgetting all of them.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
It's why I'm taking notes now of when things are launching,
because like we are always like it's coming out soon,
but when is it?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I don't know, and then we're like, oh, we want
to watch it, and then we're like, oh, it's been
two years that came out. I forgot.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, we also got a trailer a more extensive trailer
for gen V season two. This is the spinoff from
the Boys that makes the voice look like shiny happy
people at certain times, it's dark. So this new trailer
shows Starlight, the character from The Boy is visiting Marie,

(50:01):
who is the protagonist from GENV and convincing her to
go back to the school in GENV to kind of
be like an undercover agent type person to learn more
about the new leader of that school and a secret
project called Odessa, and she apparently finds out that she

(50:23):
potentially is the strongest soup to ever exist, even stronger
than Homelander. I do not know how a character who
has the ability to control blood is more powerful than
Homelander necessarily, but I guess we'll find out.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I mean, Homelander has blood. They can just pull it out, right.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Sure, that's something. It's just like again, like it's one
of those things where whenever you get it fits for
comic books, It's where you get into one of those
conversations about who's a stronger superhero, Like who's more powerful?
And you have two different characters with completely different power abilities,
and you're like, how do you compare this? Like this

(51:04):
person can run super fast, but this one can lift
a truck. Like it gets really tricky, right, because it's
not apples to apples. But this season begins on September seventeenth,
so we don't have long to wait for that either,
especially considering that I think The Boys, the next season
comes out next year, so we've still got some time

(51:25):
until that comes out.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Here's the thing. The Boys was very dark and it
was also very gory, but it was like the violence
wasn't the issue for me. This feels like, at least
gen V from the trailer feels like it is mainly
dark because of violence.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Now there's there. I mean, okay, it's set in a
college setting, so think of the dark things that can
happen at a college and then just turn it into
a superhero series. It's not just the violence, Yeah, it's yeah,
there's there's like there's some dark, dark subject there's not
safe for work dark subject matter in gen Vuh. It

(52:09):
made me think that it was even more kind of
despondent than The Boys.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Is that's that's hard to do.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, So, I mean I watched I watched it all
the way through it. At the end of it, I
was like, I don't feel good.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
So I'll say it again, why I stopped watching The Boys.
I will keep my eyes for something better like Wakanda.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, which you could do today because it came out today. Today,
the day we're recording this is August first. I don't
know when this will go up. It'll depend upon when
I can edit it. August Yeah, so today, August first
is when the Eyes of Wakanda animated series came out
on Disney Plus. It is four episodes, it's an anthology,

(52:59):
and essentially the stories are covering kind of like Wakanda
secret agents who are going out to recover various artifacts
made out of vibranium.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah. It looks good.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, looks like a good animated series.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
There was nothing about the trailer that made me specifically
go ooh, I have to watch that, but I was like, oh, yeah,
this looks like it's going to be decent.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah. Same. I thought it was one of those things
where I was like, I don't know if anyone was
asking for this, But at the same time, I'm like,
you know what, there's so many different superhero properties that
have characters who have similar backgrounds to me out there
that it's nice to have ones who have a different
background out there, so I'm not complaining because and it

(53:51):
also looks like the stories are you know, like obviously
a lot of care was put into the animation and
the casting and all that, and maybe maybe it'll start
to set up little elements that could potentially pay off
in the future. Black Panther three.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, we also got a trailer for something that we've
talked about before and I've been looking forward to, which
is Starfleet Academy, starring Holly Hunter and Robert Piccardo and
tig Nataro. Like, and I'm it's it's a star Trek
show about Starfleet Academy, and I want to say that

(54:29):
I am super interested. It looks delightful.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
It's set in the thirty second century, which holy cow,
it's and apparently Starfleet Academy has been shut down for
like one hundred and twenty years or something, so this
is like the first time Starfleet Academy has been active
again for more than a century. And so yeah, it

(54:54):
follows different student characters who are training to become Starfleet
off I wrote to Ariel earlier this week that I
watched the trailer and it actually got me a little
emotional because it had references to Voyager and Deep Space
nine as well as the original series. No references to

(55:18):
the Next Generation, which is kind of weird, but you know,
it got me a little emotional, and I was looking
forward to it until I found out who the showrunner
was because it's Alex Kurtzman, and I don't like what
Kurtsman has done with Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I do like some of the stuff he's done with
Star Trek, so but we know that we differ on
that opinion. And the Starfleet Academy trailer does have characters
from Discovery in it. Sylvia, Tilly, jet Reno, Charles Vans
are all characters that are in seasons of Discovery. They're

(55:52):
great characters though, they're some of my favorite characters, so
I'm excited about that. But it does have the doctor
Robert Otter from Star Trek Voyager. If you're not familiar,
the doctor in that season in that series was holographic, So.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yeah, they stole it from Red Dwarf.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yeah, so does an age Able to be there? Uh?
While I know that many of my friends after the
trailer came out, we're talking about how sexy they have
made one of the Klingons because there's a very attractive
Klingon in the trailer. I am more amused by the
fact that Paul Giamatti will also be playing a kling

(56:32):
On somewhere on this series.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Half Clingon, half cling On. He's half tell Rite as well.
One of the notes I put I put in, I
put in notes that there were a lot of half this,
half that characters in this which is again like odd
to me, Like there's a half cling On, half tellerwrite
that's Paul Giamatti's character. There's another character who's part Klingon,

(56:55):
part gem Hadar. Like I was just like, this is
it's amazing to me that there's so many different species
out there in space that are reproductively compatible with one another.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I mean, I feel like most of Star Trek has
been that way though throughout the years.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I mean you had Spock who's half Vulcan half human,
but in a lot of the older Star Trek, like
that was just not something that like, if you look
at it from a biological standpoint, the odds of two
species from completely different planets with no discernible common point
of origin being compatible in a reproductive way is like

(57:44):
astronomically small and yet it's apparently happening all the frickin'
time in Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I mean, they're mostly humanoid plus humanoid.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
That's another issue I have with Star Trek aliens. But
that came down to a budget.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah, I mean, I will say, like it is, it
is cool to see uh Orville. Orville played with that
a bit more. There were less human I mean, still
a lot of human humanoid aliens, but less of them.
There was some more variety there. But also, like you're
traveling through the stars, you have replicators. There is science

(58:22):
to make things work.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Right, But I can't imagine two beings from separate species saying,
you know what we should do, create a child based
off of us who will be reviled by both our cultures.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
I mean, I mean, let's let's set our child up
here with you.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Let's have our child to become a total failure and
or serial killer let's do it.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Or.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Ruler revered above all else. I mean, also not.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
A good that falls in line with serial killer because
you have to be psychotic, all right, So disagree with you.
I'm excited that I looked at this on Wikipedia, and
according to Wikipedia, one of the actors who will have
an occasional recurring role is Becky Lynch, who is the Man.

(59:18):
Becky Lynch is the man. If you're a WWE fan,
you know what I'm talking about. Becky Lynch is a
professional wrestler and sometimes she goes as the man. You
would never mistake her for the man, because Becky Lynch
is an incredibly attractive woman. But yeah, she's like, you know,

(59:39):
She's like, you gotta beat the man, and she'll point
to herself. She's phenomenal. She's a phenomenal performer, and I'm
excited to see her in Star Trek, even though I'm
not totally sold on this particular series.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
So I am not going to tell you that you
should watch Discovery. I have many friends who say that
they struggle with the fact that not with the stories
that Discovery was telling, but the fact that Discovery wouldn't
let you draw your own conclusions. They were very much like,
we're going to lay out very specifically how you should

(01:00:13):
feel about this situation, and that got a little frustrating
for my friends. But I will say the later seasons
definitely felt more true to the Star Trek that you love.
There's a lot to get through that you would not
love to get there, but once they get there, Like
the final season. I adored the final season. I was

(01:00:36):
so into that I was sad that it had ended
and I had taken some time to watch it because
while I enjoyed Discovery, it wasn't, you know, classic Star
Trek to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
So I honestly think that my favorite Star Trek property
is also the property that ultimately ruined Star Trek. So
Voyager Wrath of gon Oh like Star Trek the Wrath, Yes,
because Star Trek before Wrath of Khan is all about
discovery and encountering problems and figuring out a solution to

(01:01:11):
those problems that more often than not did not involve violence.
And The Wrath of Cohn is an action movie. And
everything after Wrath of Khan, well, Next Generation is aside
and Deep Space nine. Actually Next Generation and Deep Space
nine avoided this quite a bit. Voyager two, like the
TV series, all seemed to avoid it becoming like we

(01:01:35):
need to beat up this bad guy or blow them up,
and more about how can we explore and understand and
solve issues and resolve conflict?

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
What just that's where Strange New World is like they
they have that that whole.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Vibe in Yeah, I'm just saying that Kurtzman's shows in general,
Kurtzman's projects in general, have kind of not recognized that
element of Star Trek for the most part, and that
it has become more of the pew pew laser action series,
which is not what I watched Star Trek for.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I totally get that. I'm not going to say you
should watch Strange New Worlds, though I am very much
enjoying it. It does have that old Star Trek feel
to me. It does have that peaceful solution whenever we can.
I mean, there are still some like the gorn Right.
They're not a peaceful race they were in the original
Star Trek, but the crew tries to solve things non

(01:02:37):
violently for the most part when they can. The later
seasons of Discovery did that. So my hope for you
being emotional about the Starfleet Academy trailer is that Kurtzman
has gotten the world even though you didn't go on
the journey to a place where you will be happy
with this new series because I feel like they've gotten
to the place where you want them to be throughout

(01:02:58):
their journey.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
That would be nice. I did see something that concerned
me about Apparently they weren't happy with the reception that
the trailer got at Comic Con, and they thought that
they might have to rework things. I'm like, oh no,
because if they rework things, that means they're going to
blow more stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Up they are struggling with. I think there was an
article about this and we talked about it a while
ago that Star Trek has a very solid following of
original fans, but has had trouble getting new people on board.
And so that's that's the struggle. You want to make

(01:03:35):
some Star Trek for the people who have always loved it,
but you also want to make Star Trek that will
attract new people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Well, and the nice thing is that you can be
like me and just enjoy the stuff that came out previously,
and that's your Star Trek. There's nothing wrong with that,
and that's fine. And you can you can leave the
Star Trek that that new audiences might resonate with but
that you feel is a bad, bad fit. You can

(01:04:03):
leave that to them, and that's fine. Like both can exist.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I want to I want to just well, you also
don't like funny, so like, but I want to pick
like four episodes I want to cherry pick Strange New
Worlds for you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
To be fair, Some of my favorite Star Trek episodes
are the funny ones, like the Trouble with Tribbles is
a is a.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Classic great, It's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I do wish that they had resisted the urge to
bring Tribles in like multiple times afterward, because it's a
joke that best works once.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I I would say it can get extra goofy sometimes,
And there are some dark episodes of Strange New Worlds,
but overall I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I mean, there's an episode where they turn into muppets.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Are you going to watch that one?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I don't know if my sister had worked on it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Did you watch Farscape?

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Okay, that that show is great and also had muppets.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Well, I know that I almost put that one as
my answer to your question at the beginning because you
didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Okay, Okay, no.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
That's fine, but I knew how much you liked it,
and I'm like, that's cool. I'm glad you do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
No, Like when I was interested in far Escape when
I heard about it, and then I didn't watch it,
and then Tony introduced me to it and it took
me like a half a season until they realized that
following the normal like science fiction adventure story wouldn't suit them,
and they went off the rails. And then I loved it.
But I realized that is not for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Sure, something that also is not for everybody, I would
argue is James Cameron's Avatar movies. And I say this
because knowing that even though they are some of the
most successful movies at the box office that have ever
been made, I still haven't watched one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I so like, I saw the first one twice, three
times in the theater. They're very pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
That's that's kind of that's kind of what I would
like I would When Disney made Avatar Land in the
Animal Kingdom, I was like, I wonder if if you're
average person who has seen Avatar, like someone who has
seen the movie and was impressed by it, you know,
just really blown away by it, if they could name
three characters, like can you name three characters? You might

(01:06:24):
be able to say Sully because because of the main character,
but can you name.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
It's not the main character, that's not Sigourney Weaver.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Well, I mean I wouldn't know. I haven't seen any
of them. I'm just piercing this off what I've gathered.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
There's not the Novey, there's Sigourney Weaver, and there's the
neck boy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah. That's the thing is that if I asked someone
to name three like whereas with Star Wars, you like,
name three characters, they were just like Okay, ob Wan, Luke, Skywalker,
Princess Leah, Han, Solo, Chewbacca, like R two D two
C three pol like you Darth Vader. You would start
naming off tons of characters. I don't think the same
is true of Avatar. So it's always blown me away
that it has U has the cultural power behind it,

(01:07:07):
and I get that some of that is because of
James Cameron. Some of it is because of the legit
spectacular images that he creates. Some of it is that
he has pushed really hard for advances in technology that
that certainly suit the types of films he has made.
But from a storytelling and character perspective, I just don't

(01:07:29):
get it. So we got we got a trailer for Avatar,
Fire and Ash, And that's my long preamble to say,
I don't know what the hell is going on in
this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I also I also don't know, like I can tell
the performances are good. I did not watch The Way
of Water, and then the next is going to be
Earth and then Wind and then Heart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Right, yet the final ones Avatar Captain Planet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I mean, so I watch The Way of Water. I
listened to the maclroy Brothers review on it, and I
felt like I had enjoyed enough of it. Yeah. I
can tell that the art is beautiful. I can tell
that the performances the actors are feeling them. That's great.

(01:08:22):
I'm not super interested in the story that they're telling.
I don't. I also don't know super what's going on.
But the Avatar world in Animal Kingdom is delightful. In
Flights of Passage is such a phenomenal ride.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Yeah, having not seen Avatar, it's just like, yeah, this
is fun. It could literally be a fantasy overlay of
me riding a dragon. It would be just as fun
as there's I have no connection to the source material.
It's also why when I rode the river Ride, the
dark ride that's there, I was like, y'all, I feel
like this is the closest I'm ever gonna be to

(01:08:59):
having a mush. There's just lights, all around me, and
I don't know what's going on or what the beating is.
I'm like, this is as close as I'm ever going
to get to hallucinating based off like a hallucinogenic drugs.
This is it, And I'm not that thrilled with it, because,
for one thing, the soundtrack is incredibly repetitive. But yeah,

(01:09:21):
the I don't know, it's just not for me. I guess.
I did think that the design of the leader of
the ash People was kind of nifty, like she looks
pretty fierce and scary.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I also thought that everything looked way more cartoony than
previous avatars, And I can't tell if that's just me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I mean, I I don't know if it's just because
I've gotten used to the way they look. Like I
haven't done a side by side comparison. They also look
cartoony to me. But I also feel like I felt
maybe the original Nave did as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
It might have been maybe that's the case, Like it
certainly doesn't look more real to me, like it looks
like it's computer animation. To me, it doesn't. There's nothing
believable about it. There's nothing that anchors me in it.
It does come out December nineteenth of this year. Here's
a fun fact that movie's been delayed multiple times. Can

(01:10:22):
you guess how many years it's been delayed from when
it originally was supposed to come out? Just to guess? Ten? Wow?
Ten years?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
And looking side by side, Yes, they have made them
more cartoony, Like I'm looking at a picture of the characters,
and they have made them look more alien and less
human in like design and detail. But I also wonder

(01:10:55):
if that's like so for a long time film with
dage actors, and they wouldn't look right because they tried
to deage them to what they actually looked like when
they were younger. And then people realized I think this
was this was something that came out during when Captain
Marvel came out that your brain accepts the cgid aging

(01:11:22):
of a person a lot more if you deaged them
to look like a younger version of how they look
now versus how they actually looked when they were young.
So I wonder if this is similar in like, if
we try to make them look too human, it's going
to be more Uncanny Valley than if we quit trying
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
I mean, considering it's a movie that made more money
than any other movie in history. I think they could
have run the risk. But you know, I get what
you're saying. It's just I just thought it was weird
because it looked. It definitely looked more like a cartoon
to me than previous versions had at different points in time.
So I don't know. If you're into Avatar and like

(01:12:01):
you're excited about Fire and Ash, that's awesome. Like I
said December nineteenth, when it comes out, I hope you
have a great time. I don't think this is the
movie that's gonna convince me to dive into the series, though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Same next week got a trailer for The Walking Dead
Daryl Dixon season three, and I'm gonna be real, honest,
I didn't realize there was a Darryl Dixon season one
or two. I'm sure I knew it at some point,
and it completely evacuated my brain.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Okay, I also didn't know, and then I read up
on it and it's I can't curse on this show.
Google Banana's crazy balls? Have you do you know? I mean,
it can be falls, do you know? Do you know
the basic premise for The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon?

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
I thought, you're just gonna stop at the Walking Dead, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
I'm like, I know, you know that basic print. So
in the first season I had to look this up.
I did not know this in the because I also
didn't know there were three seasons of the show. I
didn't know it was a thing. But in the very
first season, Darryl Dixon wakes up. He's washed up on
the shore of France, and You're like, huh, how did

(01:13:17):
you get there? Darryl Dixon. And Darryl Dixon wakes up
and he goes, huh, how did I get? Hear me?
And it turns out that he was like kidnapped and
then brought aboard a boat that came across and then
he ended up leading a mutiny against the ship and
ends up washing up on the shore of France, and

(01:13:37):
I guess had temporary amnesia or something. But you find
out that France is where the virus originated. After two
seasons of that, he and Carol, who is after the
first season, Carol starts looking for him and eventually makes
her way over to France and joins him, and Carol

(01:14:00):
and Darryl decide that they're gonna go to England. So
this trailer picks up with them going to England, where
they find out the only apparently the only English person
still alive is Stephen Merchant, which is how you can
tell this is fiction, because you can't. You cannot convince

(01:14:21):
me that out of all the people in England, Stephen
Merchant would be the one to survive.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Now I think Alex Horn would beat him out for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yeah, he is the Taskmaster.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Yes, and then they have to go to Spain.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yes they yeah, exactly. It starts in England, but the
majority of the story takes place in Spain, where there
is a power struggle. So once again, like The Walking
Dead is really a show about incredibly violent interpersonal disagreements
and challenges with zombies as a backdrop. And yeah, it

(01:14:58):
becomes a whole who's going to be King of Spain
kind of thing, And there's like a clearly like a
fascist type of character who's trying to gain power. And
this is not the show to bring me back to
The Walking Dead if anything. This to me is just

(01:15:19):
truly absurd. But it comes out September seventh, and then
supposedly season four of The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon will
be the last of that series.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Interesting. I will say this one and then the one
with Megan in New York Megan takes New.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
York or whatever it is takes Manhattan.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Is that really what it's called?

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
No, but that's okay, that's the Muppets take Manhattan.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I wasn't sure if I got it
right and just forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Or Jason takes Manhattan. There's that one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
You know. They both have some like some a few
little flashes of scenes that I found interesting. But yeah,
like the zombies dressed up as French aristocrats marionetting, which
is weird. But but they feel like they're moving more
towards absurdist Brazil hunger games sometimes. But yeah, I'm still

(01:16:17):
not I'm still not going back, Still not going back.
They can't can't trick me. Speaking of getting tricked again, Yeah,
I haven't seen the new Jurassic World because they tricked me.
They said they learned their lesson and that they were

(01:16:37):
going back to the original, but then they didn't use
practical effects and it was a Jurassic World, not a
Jurassic Park movie. But maybe if I haven't gotten that
itch scratched with Jurassic World, or I guess with Godzilla. Either,
there's a new movie called Primitive War coming out that
is fighting dinosaurs that might appease.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I doubt it. It looks to me like it. It
looks to be like a dinosaur movie that might have
been made by Asylum Pictures. I put it in here.
I probably could have taken this out, but it's but
it's a movie I wrote. I said, it looks like
it's a low to mid budget movie, the kind of

(01:17:22):
thing you might see on sci fi, like the Sci
Fi Channel. But basically it's it's set during the Vietnam
War and some a small squad is sent out. I
guess they're pathfinders or something, but they come across dinosaurs,

(01:17:42):
and I'm like, how, how could it possibly be that
dinosaurs are alive and that has escaped attention from the
rest of the world, Like Vietnam isn't that remote even
in the nineteen sixties. So I just got the feeling like, oh,
someone wanted to make Platoon, but with dinosaurs. It turns out,

(01:18:05):
by the way, this is based off a novel that
was published in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
In two like if you had said this was based
off a novel published in like nineteen fifty six, I'd
be like, oh, okay, twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Wow, yeah, I had never heard of this book. That's
not a comment on quality, because there's lots of books
that come out that I've never heard of and then
turn out that they're brilliant. I don't know if this
is one of them. Doesn't the movie trailer doesn't lead
me to think.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
It does come out August twenty first, So I guess
if you're big on war movies and you always wanted
dinosaurs to be in them, you got your shot. Yay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Next, we've got a trailer for a series on BBC
called King and Conqueror. It's about billion this one. I
was about to say, you must be because I watched it.
I'm like, oh, this is another historical fight.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Ye, some, but it's it's how England becomes England.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
It wasn't just born England.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
The heck No, yes, you were. You were about to
say who it's who it's or at least one half
of the King and Conqueror story.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Yeah, be William, who I think is the conqueror half.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yes, Yes, William the Conqueror is what he's generally known as.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Yes, And the other half is King Carled the Second,
King Harold the Second.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
King Harold the Second, I knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I will educate you on your English kings and queens. Uh.
Harold the Second was the last of the Saxon Kings,
and then I spoiler alert for the series. I guess,
but it it's also historical last.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
The Saxon and the Sexy Kings.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Now King King Harold the Second led England when William
the Conqueror landed from Normandy and began to conquer left
and right. William the Conqueror is the reason why there's
so many castles in England every everywhere. William the Conqueror stopped,
he essentially ordered his men to build a castle. And
in the old days, those castles were very different from

(01:20:26):
what you see today. But a lot of the castles
that are in England today are built on the remains
of the castles that William the Conqueror established, made out
of wood. For one thing, he was like, build me
a big house, build me a big fortification that is defendable,
is what he was asking. Uh. And those those eventually

(01:20:49):
would be turned into Like the Tower of London is
like one of those that it's it's built on the
foundation of an ancient castle. I'm excited about this because
it's an area that I haven't really seen depicted in
television or movies that much. I mean, spoiler alert. You

(01:21:14):
know how it's gonna go. You know that William's gonna win,
because that's how history is. But the series comes out
August twenty fourth in the UK on BBC one, and
Paramount is in charge of global distribution, so I don't
know when it will be available for the rest of
the world or on what service specifically, if it'll be

(01:21:34):
Paramount Plus or something else. But I thought it looked
like it was pretty well done. I mean, I can
see if you're not interested in that era of history,
it'd be kind of dry and you probably wouldn't be
totally into it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
I do like, actually, I do like medieval period stuff.
I was just goofin. Well, it does look very well done.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
And my focus is largely on Renaissance, which is quite
quite a ways away, Like this is ten sixty six, right,
I'm not. My specialty is late fifteen hundreds to early
sixteen hundreds, so it's I'm familiar with the history, but
I'm not as well schooled in it as like an
actual scholar. But I think it looks interesting. I don't

(01:22:21):
know how period appropriate any of the costuming is or
any of that stuff. I'm sure there'll be endless videos
going over it in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Yeah, I'm sure. But it does look very well done.
But if you want period appropriate costuming, Jonathan, you really
just need to see Utopia too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
What period are you thinking about? Homeschool?

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
I don't even understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
No whatever, so ze schooled? Yes, oh yeah, that's righty. Hey,
Zootopia two. We talked about the teaser where like there
was actually saw the teaser on the big screen the
other day because they showed it before Fantastic Four. But

(01:23:12):
this is the trailer where we get a little bit
more about the plot where Nick and Judy have been
partnered together for all of one week before they're ordered
to go and attend a therapy session for partnerships and crisis.

(01:23:32):
So things are apparently not going well. And then there's
a case in which a snake has appeared in Zootopia.
Apparently a snake hasn't been in Zootopia in as Nick says, forever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
So two things instantly struck me when watching this trailer. One,
I thought they were partnered up for much more than
a week.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yeah, she says, it's been a week. It's a happy anniversary.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Yeah. Yeah, So I guess one, they weren't really partnered
up in Zutopia one, and then two this happened right after.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah, and like a week after the offense of Zutopia.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Yeah, which bold. And then the second thing that struck
me was watching through Zutopia. Because I watched it twice.
I've seen it twice, it never hit me that there
weren't non mammal animals. I think you told me that too,
But again I completely did not notice that when watching.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Yeah, no birds, no reptiles, no fish, it's all mammals. Yeah.
It's interesting, Like I wonder if they go into more
of that, Like maybe there are other regions where other
types of animals are the norm and mammals are unheard of.
I don't know the snake, Oh what's the actor's name? Short,

(01:24:58):
round thing everywhere all at once, Oh kwan, he voices
the snake and yeah, and he says that he has
to go and save his family. But we don't know
from what. Uh, But it does kind of fall into
what we thought when we saw the teaser where it
looked like Judy and Nick were on the run trying

(01:25:21):
to protect the snake while solving a mystery while everyone
else is just after the snake. It looks like that's
going to be the case. There's also a moment at
the end of the trailer where Nick and Judy are
infiltrating a fancy event of some sort, and Judy is
in a yellow dress with her ears done up. And
I wrote, this is gonna fuel cosplay for years.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
It's it's like Lola Bunny all over again.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I mean it already kind of was there. You haven't
been to Dragon Con a while. There are a lot
of Judy hops.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Cause I guess I shouldn't be surprised this comes out
in November. I enjoyed the first Zoutopia. Uh me too.
I I you know, I have issues with it, but
I thought overall it was a pretty fun movie. So
I'm looking forward to this same same.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
I think I don't know if i'll see it in theaters,
but I think I will see it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
See I wish it were I wish we were coming out
earlier because I'm going to be on a Disney cruise
in early September, and I could have watched it on
the ship. Oh if they if they premiere, they do
a land and sea premiere. If they premiere a movie
on land, they will premiere it at sea at the
same time on their ships.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Well, I feel like that's just poor planning on your part,
Jonathan Kidd. Yeah, that's kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Listen, it was the cheapest time to go because of hurricanes,
because there's a real good chance that the places we're
supposed to go will be underwater and we won't be
able to go there. That's why I was able to
get it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
I understand booking travel because of cheapness. I cannot pick
on you for that at all. Which thank you all
for listening. We've reached the end of our notes and
apparently the end of my sanity, but thank you for

(01:27:17):
joining us on this wild, crazy, geeky, fun week full
of comic con stuff. While there wasn't a whole lot
out of comic Con, there were a bunch of really
fun videos of fans just doing cool, creative things and
having a lot of fun. If you're on social media,
look it up. It's great, Jonathan. If people want to

(01:27:38):
reach out to us to tell us what geeky properties
were missed for them, or what things they're excited about
coming up. How do they reach out to us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Well, you're going to go to the deserted part of town,
you know, one that was mostly vibrant just like a
decade ago or so, but has really fallen into hard
times over the last few years. And you know, a
lot of the businesses have closed and people have moved away,
and you're gonna go to an empty lot. You know,
it's just paved over empty lot. There's gonna be like

(01:28:09):
grass kind of growing through cracks and stuff, a little
crumbly wall on one side, and you're gonna see like
set back in that abandoned lot. You're gonna barely be
able to see it. You have to go at night,
by the way, that's important. The street light is just
barely gonna illuminate something towards the very back. And as
you approach this thing, you're gonna realize it's a piece

(01:28:31):
of furniture, and you're gonna get closer and closer to it,
and it's gonna be this old like cabinet that's gonna
be all like you know, rusty hinges and just beat
up like the finish on It is all scratched up
and there splatters of what you assume is paint on it.

(01:28:52):
One of the little handles has fallen off the other door.
The handles on there, but it's like this, It almost
looks like a chicken foot that kind of handle the finish.
The fitting there is like a chicken funt. You're gonna
have to reach over, You're gonna grab that. It's gonna
the door is gonna stick for a bit, so you're
gonna have to kind of pull, and there's gonna be
this terrible screeching noise as those rusty hinges turn on

(01:29:13):
themselves and the door is gonna open. You're gonna see
that I'm inside now like a welcome to John Boys
horror hutch. What can I do for you? And you
can ask me your question.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
That's too scary for you. You can reach out to
us on social media on Facebook and Instagram and threads.
We are Larger Drunk Collider on discord. We are also
a Larger Drunk Collider. Sorry about that, y'all. You can
find the invite to our discord on our website ww W.
That's three of them. Dot Larger Drunk Collider dot com,

(01:29:46):
where you can also find our show notes for episodes.
If you want to send us a long form message,
we love hearing from you. Our email is Larger drum
Pod at gmail dot com. Thank you for geeking out
with us, Thank you for being so cool and listening.
And until next time. I am Ariel Sneepy Sleepy Casting

(01:30:10):
and I am Jonathan Gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
I sure wish I had called it John Boys horror
Hotel Strickland.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
You always have next week, That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
The Large Nerdron Collider was created by Ariel Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted,
published again. Cursed at by Jonathan Strickland. Music by Kevin
McLeod of incomptech dot com