Nic Cage Secretly Invades Nick Fury?

Some invasions are more secret than others. For example, Nic Cage secretly invaded Ariel's brain for this episode. Plus, Jonathan mixes up Australia and New Zealand and is very, very sorry about it. We also talk about movies and series and stuff.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Larger or Drunk Collidder podcast,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are
about them. I'm Ariel Castin and with me as always
is these horror trailers have got to be payback for
making him edit every episode.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Jonathan Strickland, who Get who Ga? Who go Whoga? Who Get?
Who Get? Who? Who?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yet again, I am too uh bane old to understand
your reference.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
To Banal Banal? I mean, okay, well, I'm just gonna
say that watching your homework, then, Ariel is to listen
to the Broadway soundtrack for Frozen. It's the ope song
for Act two.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
But I don't like Frozen, Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know you're not gonna like it more when you
listen to the Broadway version. Although who Goes a fun
song because it's the the dude who runs the sauna,
so it's it's got You would appreciate it because you
once played a character at the Renaissance Festival who had
a very strong Scandinavian accent, and that's kind of the

(01:28):
gag for this particular song, So I think you would
appreciate it from just a just like a musical comedy standpoint.
So you should just look up the song huga which
is h y.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
G g e g g a. Oh okay, yeah, okay, yeah,
Sauna is a Finnish world word. Hoga is comfort, isn't it,
and like, yes, Swedish or something.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, it's good, that's a good job. Yeah, it's comfort
and cooozy.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Listen. I I only know the that are from Ikia,
but I know the former because I'm studying Finnish on Duolingo,
And boy is that a mouthful figuratively and literally.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, And I mean it has very little, very little
resemblance to English, even though if you go far enough
back you start to find root languages that fed into both.
But that's like two thousand years, so it's you don't
even know.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I don't even know if there are languages that I
don't think Swedish and Norwegian crossover with Finnish.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think you're right. Yeah, I think I was thinking Frisian,
and Frisian is more Germanic than it is Norwegian, so
I'm guessing you're right.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, Finnish has like two or three other languages that
relate to it. If you look at that big family
tree of languages that's out there somewhere on the internet.
If that's accurate, then I think it's like I'm probably
misre memory, but it's something like Estonian is close to
it or something, or it's Hungarian is the same offshoot.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Got it Hungarian? Okay, Well, I admire you for taking
the initiative to learn another language. It's something that I
have thought about doing, and that's as far as I've
gotten is thinking about doing it.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, you know, like I started French and I started
Spanish because of course I took those in school. Most
people do. And then I jumped over to Esperanto because
I was like, it's there, why not and it wasn't
super intuitive for me. And then I briefly jumped over
to Hebrew because I was like, let this would be cool.

(03:41):
It relates back to my heritage. But then I didn't
realize that you have to learn the alphabet first and
quickly dropped it. But Finish is the one I've stuck
with the longest and it's the most useful of them all.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah. Yeah, you never know when you're gonna need to
bust out Finish when you're out and abount in rural Georgia.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I know how to call myself a wizard in finish,
just the best thing.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Okay, Well, let's let's move on from the esoteric intricacies
of learning another language and shift into high gear to
blast through another patented thirty seconds or less segment.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
All right, First up, we had talked about the other
week that HBO was possibly moving some of their shows
to Netflix, and that is a factual truth. Now Insecure
has now landed on Netflix. It's the first in probably
it's a first in several other of several other titles
that will land there, including a brother specific six feet

(04:48):
under m Malers. You know they are moving. HBO is
also moving other things to other channels or Max I guess,
like Westworld to Roku and two be so yeah, if
you don't have Max, or you just want to watch
the older stuff, you might be able to cut down
on your streaming services.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Excellent. Next up, the Barbie movie is facing bands in Asia,
all because of nine little dashes, specifically the nine dashes
that appear on a map that includes the South China Sea,
an area that several countries claim falls into their territory.
But the map in Barbie shows it as belonging to China.
As such, countries like Vietnam and the Philippines are considering

(05:29):
fanning Barbie for including the map in the scene. Who
knew that Barbie was going to be so politically controversial.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
She always tried to be politically relevant. Okay. Next, we
had talked about with all of the strikes and things
going on like that, we talked about a lot of
how AI plays into the Actors' Union and the Writers'
Union and the Directors Guild and all those things. But
we also talked about how IATSE was looking into how

(05:57):
to effectively bring AI into the workplace in a healthy manner.
They created the Commission on Artificial Intelligence in May. Well,
now they've released their plan and core principles for using
artificial intelligence, which include using a comprehensive approach, research, collaboration
with partners and stakeholders, education organization, maintaining workers' rights, member

(06:21):
job security and union jurisdictions, political and legislative advocacy, and
collective bargaining. So they are moving full steam ahead on
figuring out how to work in cohesion with AI.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Cool all right. Next up Alison Mack, who appeared on
the series Smallville as Clark's friend Chloe Sullivan has been
released from prison a year early. She was serving a
three year sentence for her role in recruiting and grooming
women to join the infamous NXIVM cult, which claimed to
be a multi level marketing company and which Mac belonged to.

(06:58):
The head of the cult. Keith Ranier is currently serving
out a one hundred and twenty year sentence for some
truly awful crimes.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Wow, that I had forgotten that had happened, and I'm
kind of surprised that she's getting out early. Okay, Next,
normally we put trailers into our full section, but there
was a tiny teaser trailer released for Stranger Things The
First Shadow, which is a play that is coming to
the West End this year, and in theory it's well

(07:33):
not in theory, it takes place twenty five years before
the Netflix shows starts, and in theory it's going to
have some teasers for the final season, which is interesting.
It means that only a very select audience is going
to be privy to some Easter eggs neat.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Are you a huge fan of the Mission Impossible film
series and you don't want them to stop? Well, then
you and Tom Cruise have something in common. He told
an Australian reporter that he hopes to still be doing
Mission Impossible movies when he's Harrison Ford's age, which means
we would have about two more decades of the stuff,
and at that age, the Impossible mission might involve staying
up past six pm and still make the early Bird

(08:11):
special the next day.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
All right, all of my stories are updates on previous
things we've talked about, and next is Dead by Daylight.
So we talked about Nick Cage coming to Dead by
Daylight and then we talked about what his character would be. Well,
now we know his powers. They are acting powers, including dramaturgy,
scene partner and plot twist and things like screaming and
high knee runs of it's absolutely hilarious. He's available, I believe,

(08:44):
for purchase on July twenty fifth, but I think some
people are getting like preview runs with him so fun stuff,
absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yes, I'm sure that some of the more popular Dead
by Daylight streamers are getting early access because that's a
great way to market your your downloadable content, is to
get it to get it in front of some of
the popular streamers out there, okay, wondering when you can
sing Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches along with the Super

(09:14):
Mario Brothers movie while streaming on your devices at home. Well,
starting August third, you can do it if you've got
peacock because that's where it's going to stream. And I
still have some time here, so I guess I'll throw
in that this movie is the third highest grossest grossing
not grossest, although maybe animated film and history, which you know,

(09:36):
third highest grossing anime film and history is the Super
Mario Brothers. I'm just I'm gonna go watch Kubo in
the Two Strings again.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, yeah, uh, that surprises me. Something that doesn't surprise
me is that the Powerpuff Girls Live action TV show
is officially totally scrapped. It came out in May of
this year that CW would not be moving forward with it,
although they kind of said that priorly because like previews

(10:04):
and sneak peaks had shown that it wasn't really hitting
the right tones and so they had to rework it.
But now it looks like it's just scrapped all together.
Sad news for all those people wanting to see the
Powerpuff Girls in human form as opposed to Meetball with
Force Spaghetti's form.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, we talked about this this show pretty much through
the entirety of its development, right, Like this was something
we talked about. Yeah, possibly even before the current incarnation
of this podcast, right, I think I think, yeah, I
think we might have talked about this in the before
before times on this podcast, which has gone through like

(10:49):
three different eras of the show. And you know, it's
it's one where I I never want to see anyone
out of a job. Okay, I want to say that
off the top. At the same time, I felt that
the whole push to create a Powerpuff Girl's property where

(11:11):
the girls all have like emotional baggage and they're resentful
of their situation in life and all that, it seemed
like it was so like one hundred and eighty degrees
out of alignment with the original show that what I
was worried about was that it was going to become
like Velma, that it was going to become a show

(11:33):
that almost seems to hate itself as well as the
original property that spawned it. And I don't. I'm not
really a fan of that.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Neither am I. Although we are going to talk about
some more of that later in this episode, because it's
a trend. I really think like it's it's got to
stem out of the disenchantment that millennials are feeling with
the current system of everything, right, Like when we talk
about how different generations see something which are gross, you know,

(12:04):
over simplifications and generalizations that not everybody agrees with, of course,
because you're never going to get one hundred percent of
a population to agree on anything, but you know, like
it's generalized that millennials are are disillusioned with a lot
of the way that society has run with college, you know,

(12:28):
debt and jobs and starting families and buying houses and
all of that. So like, while I understand that media
plays to the current generation as a millennial organ trail generation,
thank you. Yes, I'm disillusioned by some things, but that

(12:49):
means in my cinema, I want an escape. So I'm
kind of surprised that everything is just so cynical lately
to turn on beloved classics.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's interesting because I'm I'm older, so I I don't know,
and I honestly don't know what what other Gen X
generation folks are drawn to because most of my friends
are younger than I am. I don't have a lot
of friends who are are of my same generation, so

(13:18):
it's kind of weird. I'm kind of curious what they're
drawn to. You know, when you start looking at think
pieces about generations, gen X is almost always completely left
off of those, like, we don't even merit discussion. And
I mean, there are a lot of gen xers who
are like, I'm totally cool with that. We don't. I
don't need anyone, yeah, you know, analyzing me or picking

(13:42):
me apart. It's fine, and I get that too, but
it does mean like I don't really have a I
don't have a finger on the pulse of my own generation.
But like you, Ariel, I would like to see a
little less cynicism. I was raised at a time when
there was a lot of compassion and optimism in the

(14:04):
in the the stuff I was watching, because I was
raised on stuff like The Muppet Show, which had an
anarchic edge to it, but it also had a lot
of heart, or Sesame Street, which was like all heart
and no edge at all, excepting like rare cases where
the edge is just something that the adults are going
to pick up on.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Mm hmm. Yeah, but you know it didn't work in
the case of the Powerpuff Girls. It's we'll see if
it works when Barbie comes out, and we'll see if
it works in some of the other things we're going
to talk about in this episode, but before we get
to it, and we could talk forever about, you know,

(14:43):
generational gaps and what what we disagree with. Sure, we
should talk about what we do watch. Have you watched anything, Kicky.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You'll notice in our show notes that I didn't write anything.
It's because I said there.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I thought it's an oversight.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I thought I sat there and thought, like, wow, I'm
really like slacking. I have not I don't know. Maybe
sometimes I feel like it's work. I have not watched anything,
and I don't really have an excuse for it. I mean,
i'll tell you this. On fourth of July, I did
my annual tradition of watching seventeen seventy six, the film

(15:24):
version of the stage musical seventeen seventy six, And so
I did that. That was That's what I do every year,
and this year was no exception. And I enjoyed it,
even though I was quoting the whole thing along with it,
because I've seen it so many times at this point
that that it's large parts of that show are are

(15:48):
in my memory permanently, not all of it. I can't, like,
I can't just spout off the whole thing from beginning
to end. But that was the one thing that I
watched that I go beyond stuff like YouTube videos or whatever,
so I don't think anything else. The other thing I
would mention is that I started playing a game called

(16:09):
Dave the Diver, And if you are a fan of
weird games, Dave the Diver definitely fits that because it's
a game where in the daytime you're a diver who
is trying to collect fish, and at night you are
a manager of a sushi restaurant, and so there's two

(16:31):
different styles of gameplay. For the main part of the game.
One part is swimming around trying to catch fish, trying
to avoid hazards, that kind of thing. Your health is
measured by how much oxygen you have, so if you
get hurt, you lose oxygen, and that means you have
less time you can spend under the ocean. And if
you run out of oxygen while you're under the ocean,

(16:51):
you're rescued, but you end up losing all the stuff
you caught except for one. You can choose one thing
to keep and everything else is gone, and then in
the evening you're like running around serving customers and cleaning
up after them and that kind of stuff. There are
other elements to the game as well. I don't want
to spoil it, because they're like little mini games that

(17:12):
occasionally pop up as the story unfolds. And there is
a story, which also makes this game silly. I love it.
It is a Korean game. The translation is pretty good,
but it also means that there are like there are
personalities and tropes that are probably common to Korean culture

(17:34):
that will just stick out as being odd to you
if you're not familiar with Korean culture, and I count
myself among those because occasionally, like characters will say something
and I'm like, man, if you said that to me,
probably I wouldn't slap you, but I would think about it.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, it sounds like a charming game that sounds like
the mix of Echo the Dolphin and Diner Dash that
I've always been wanting.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I do highly recommend it. I do think it's a
game worth playing. I bought it on Steam and I
got the DLC as well, and I think I heard
about it on The Besties, it's a podcast that Justin
and Griffin McElroy are on along with Chris Plant and
Russ Freshnick, and I think Justin talked about it. So

(18:22):
I tried it out and I was like, oh man,
this is my jam. It's like it's got that perfect
loop that keeps you playing to the point where you're like,
I have got to turn this off or I'm never
going to bed.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Nice. Nice. I didn't watch as much geeky media as
I normally do, mainly because over the holiday weekend I
had a house guest and so we did a lot
more board games. So we played like the shatter On
board game and the Fallout board game and Legendary and
things like that. But I did watch some geeky stuff.

(18:53):
I watched the first few episodes of Is It Cake? Two,
which is horribly dorky but a lot of fun, although
finding it easier to to pick out the cakes this
year than the previous season. I watched the first episode
of Secret Invasion, which is the Nick Cage Disney Marvel show.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is not the new Nick Cage Marvel show.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
No, you're right, it's the Nick Fury. What the heck,
get out of my head, Nick Cage, I'm solely morphing
into him. No, that's not true. Yeah, so it's the
Nick Fury Scrull Show. Uh. It was okay, there were
some interesting points to it. It was a little slow,

(19:46):
but that's the first episode. But hey, uh, you know,
we did have back when they first started filming, we
had a listener over in the UK send us some
pictures of some scenery that had been set up for
the show. So it's kind of cool to get to
start seeing that come into play and how they used it.

(20:07):
So that's really neat. I watched some more Arcane, which
is the League of Legends cartoon. I watched some New
Girl because that's what we put on when we absolutely
don't want to brain anything. We've watched it before and
we can just have it on in lightly chuckle as
we completely zone out. There are probably healthier things to

(20:27):
do when we're in that mindset, but it's hard to
think of them when you're exhausted and don't know what
you want to do. I know you don't like Zoey Deschanel, Jonathan,
but she is not disillusioned. Disillusioned in this show, she
is exceptionally peppy and quirky and it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I would probably I would probably dig that more because
it was just her very sort of subdued performances in
Elf and Tin Man that really gave me a bad
first impression.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
She she is not subdued in this She is delightfully
quirky and charming. The first two episodes are a little
bit weaker, but like, the more you get into it,
it's just it's ridiculous. It's so much fun. Yeah, if
you ever, if you ever, like I should give her
another chance. That's what I'd recommend is watching her in
New Girl. It's it's because I wasn't a huge fan

(21:20):
of her either, but I love New Girl. And then
I started because I'm watching through the entire catalog of
Dimension twenty shows on Dropout. Tiny Heist, which is the
macroy brothers and Dad and a couple of other people
a campaign, and it is delightful. It is absolutely delightful

(21:40):
and adorable. It's about all these tiny people who live
in a kid's backyard and like the incredibly like cedy
underworld that they live in. But it's it's charming, it's
not super dark, so at least as far as I've
gotten so far.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Cool. Uh that sounds neat Well, you know, I I
bought the the subscription to drop Out TV, and I
have not been taking advantage of that the way I should.
I need to really dive into stuff over on Dropout
because I mean, I love a lot of the people
who are on those programs. I find them very entertaining,

(22:19):
and I've enjoyed the stuff I've seen. It's just one
of those things I keep forgetting about, like I need
to have Maybe I need to start up a launch
page on my browser that just reminds me of all
the services I'm subscribed to, so that occasionally I will
go and look at stuff that's on them, because they
just kind of sit there otherwise.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, not that you would want another email, but they
do send out well, they do send out their weekly
schedule on both discord and in an email. So that's
how I keep up with with what's coming out each week.
Because we watched through a lot of it at a
point in time where there wasn't a lot of new
media that we wanted. We couldn't figure out what we

(23:01):
wanted to watch, and so we just jumped into some
of their series, and now we've caught up with most
of the catalog of the shows that we want to
watch on the service, so I keep up with new
episodes via their emails.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
That's cool. Okay, Well, let's talk about some of the
news items that we have pulled together, most of which
are'll pull together. I got a couple of trailers thrown
in there, as she mentioned earlier, and has a lot
of them are horror.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah. The first thing is not horror horrific at all.
It's that Pokemon is coming out with a new sleep game.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Kind of like it's doing for sleep what Pokemon Go
did for getting out of your house and walking around
the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah. Yeah, So you put your phone next to next
to like on your nightstand next to you while you sleep,
and it monitors your your sleep kind of schedule and
if you snore and things like that, and then it
feeds us snor relax and you get other Pokemon that
sleep like you. I think it's really cute. I think
that there is like there's something. I don't know how

(24:09):
it's gonna work, because like when I track my sleep
with my fitbit, it's attached to me, it's it catches
things based off of like my movement and my heart
rate and my oxygen and things like that, even if
it's a little faulty. Kiss fitbits are not super super accurate.
But if I just put my phone next to me
on my nightstand and it records how I sleep or
monitors things like my snoring and my tossing and turning,

(24:31):
how is it going to tell the difference between me
and my partner?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right? Well? And also that's creepy, right, Like your phone
is essentially turned into like a surveillance device at that point,
and I would be a little concerned about privacy and
security settings simply because I don't know that. It just
gets a little invasive. Like I can get it with
like a wearable, where as you say, the wearable is

(24:57):
measuring things like the amount of motion and your heart
rate and stuff like that. And if it's kept locally,
I could see that as being useful where you're just
monitoring it yourself. But when you're talking about something that's
like app connected and it's probably communicating with a cloud
and all this kind of stuff, it starts to get

(25:17):
creepy to me. It starts to raise questions of like,
when is it when is it actively listening? When is
it not? You know what happens if you end up
what happens if your partner has to take a phone
call in the middle of the night and has a
has a you know, a personal conversation with someone that's
not like like, there are elements where I'm just like,

(25:38):
I'm not sure how I feel about this all in
the name of you know, supposedly quantifying and then gamifying sleep.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, Like, I like the idea of encouraging people to
get more sleep and maybe get off of their phone,
even though they have to get on their phone more
after that sleep and before that sleep. And I understand
like the concern that you might be recorded talking about
where you hid the bodies while you're dreaming. But Polygon,

(26:07):
which is the article that has the little bit of
a trailer on it and talks about the game a
bit more that we're referencing, does say to check you
know the terms of service and the privacy terms and
things like that. But apparently within that you could get
a jiglypuff singing at you. So maybe that makes it
all better.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I know that that that solves all my concerns.
So let's let's instead segue from talking about a really creepy,
scary game that is all about catching Pokemon in your
sleep instead talk about something wholesome like Mortal Kombat one.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, that was just a wholesome Is it's a whole game?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, as a whole game, yea, so it is wholesome.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
We have a trailer for Mortal Kombat one with some
new characters, Smoke and Rain.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Really these are these are returning characters to from the franchise,
but they've been kind of absent for a while. So
this particular trailer is focusing on the lin Quay, which
are essentially the ninja characters from Mortal Kombat. So, you know,
we've already seen trailers for Mortal Kombat One, which is
a complete like reboot of the franchise. It has lots

(27:23):
of the characters, you know, but they may have different
relationships with one another. So for example, in the lore
of this new Mortal Kombat franchise, sub Zero and Scorpion
are our colleagues. They're not, they're not enemies.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah. I will say this trailer outside of the Gore
is very pretty, Like it struck me how very pretty.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It is, and inside the gore. You're inside someone else's
body as you're watching an X ray of like a
buzzsaw all the way through a person.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It is a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
It is a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
There was a real there was a real jaw dropping
fatality in there.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah. Check it out. If you like Mortal Kombat, don't
check it out. If you hate video game gore and violence.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, this this is making like, this is making like
the violence and gore that was in the original Mortal
Kombat game look extremely quaint in comparison. And if you
don't remember, the original Mortal Kombat was one of the
video games that that that created the events that required
the creation of the Entertainment Software Ratings Board the ESRB,

(28:42):
where it's a an industry organization that gives ratings to
games like maturity ratings that was that was necessary because
of the original Mortal Kombat. This game makes the violence
in the first Moral Kombat just look like it like
it could have been in Kirby game.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's something for sure, something a little
bit happier. It's not a video game, but it's anime.
So a kissing cousin no more. One piece is not
a kissing cousin to Mortal Kombat. I don't know what

(29:22):
I'm talking about, people, I'm so sorry. There was an
anime expo that happened this past week and a few
things got got shown during it. One of those was
kind of a little behind the scenes trailer for the
upcoming Netflix live action one piece show, which is based

(29:44):
on a piraty sort of an anime, showing some of
the characters and talking about specifically how they have the
original voice cast coming in to do the the language
translation dub and I think that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, no, this was neat. Like the little video, it's
very sweet as actors playing the characters in this newest
adaptation get to meet their counterparts who were the original
voice actors for the anime version of this story. As
Ariel was saying, this story has been through several different
types of media, manga, anime, and now a new series.

(30:24):
So yeah, it's cute. It's a cute little kind of
promotional video, and it's cool to see them integrating actors who,
like we don't. It's only fairly recent that we started
to see voice actors get more recognition. You know, voice
actors have been a really important component in animation and
in video games and things like that, But for the

(30:46):
longest time, you were unlikely to know the names of
any voice actors unless you just happened to be a
super fan.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm super happy about this. It was also
delightful to see the actors for the TV show so
excited about the voice actors. You know, it shows that
they have a real, if not love for the media,
they're creating respect for it, and that's that's super appreciative.

(31:17):
I'm looking forward to this. I have some friends who
are saying that it's going to be a real hard
anime to make live action, and most cartoons turned to
live action are disappointing. But I'm looking forward to it
partially because One Piece is one of those manga animes
that appeals to me but is so vast already that
it's hard to start.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, yeah, I get that, right. Whenever you come across
something that you haven't been exposed to in the past
and you see how much there is, Like, that's how
I felt with Doctor Who, right, Like, by the time
I finally started watching Doctor Who, I just felt like, like, well,
where do you even start? And is there a starting place?
And am I going to feel lost if I us start,

(32:00):
you know, with the reboot series or what and h
turns out doesn't matter. I don't like Doctor Who.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, well that's all right. You're allowed to not like
some good things.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm not saying Doctor
Who's bad. Just I just don't like it.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's totally fine. That's totally fine. There are plenty of
things that you like that I do not.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
We'll talk about those at the end of this episode.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yes, one thing that I'm pretty sure neither you nor
I were a huge fan of, because just I think
we were a little bit on the older side for
it is that childhood classic Barney.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, by the time Barney came out, I was definitely
too old for that. So it became more like a
punchline because people would just do the whole I Love
you, you Love Me song, and it fun of it and
it was you know, anyone my age just dismissed Barney
as being not just not just for children, but actually

(33:08):
childish like, like like it was talking down to kids
as opposed to talking to kids on their own level.
That was probably an unfair assessment. I wouldn't know. I
never sat down to watch Barney. I don't have kids.
I had no reason to watch it. But you know,
I can't for sure say that Barney was subpar material. However,

(33:30):
all that's to say that now we're going to get
a Barney movie that's designed for the adult millennial audience,
not to say that it's like a rated R movie.
It's not necessarily going to become some sort of horror
movie allah the Winnie the Pooh film that came out,
but that, but that it's supposed to kind of takes

(33:53):
as its target audience the disaffected millennial that Ariel was
talking about earlier in their thirty seconds or less second.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah, there's they're equating it to something like being
John Malkovich one, like Spike Jones, Charlie Kaufman kind of
a movie. It's interesting to me because again I was
a little old for Barney too. It's it's definitely the
younger spectrum of millennial that grew up with Barney as

(34:21):
an influence. I got to watch it a lot because
I spent a lot of times in daycares, both because
my mother worked at one and then because I worked
at one. It just I don't know. Again, it's it's
that the cynical look on it I don't think is
necessarily great unless it kind of I feel like this

(34:46):
this needs not just a oh, we were taught to
love each other, but that's not how the world works
sort of a story. It's got to have a happy
ending on how to overcome the citizensm of the world,
kind of like Barney is is the mascot version of Superman.
I don't, I don't. Oh no, I would not normally
equate Barney with Superman, but I feel like a cynical
movie about Barney doesn't work unless it has some sort

(35:08):
of a happy ending. Thankfully, Kluia says that it's got
to be a good script for them to make it.
The script is in development, but I.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Mean, I don't know if it needs to have a
happy ending for it to be a good story. But
I don't know that there's a good story there. Like
it's fair, like, what does what does a cynical movie
about Barney ultimately do? Right? Was the purpose of that?
I mean, you could argue, well, it's there for just entertainment,

(35:43):
but if so, how is it entertaining just watching a
movie that essentially tells you the world stinks, and does
it through the lens of people who are somehow connected
to the character of Barney, Like what good does that do?
What is that? How is that art? How is that entertainment? Like,

(36:06):
I just don't get it. Like again, I'm also out
of touch. So I fully admit that I'm of an
age where like I'll watch something and I'll go, well,
this wasn't for me, which is fine, right, It's for
someone else, but that's why it's not resonating with me
at all. And I like, but I also have this
thing in general, Ariel, I am not a big fan

(36:30):
of taking stuff that was crafted for children and then
aging it up for adults. In general, I find it
a little unsettling. I have a discussion about this with
friends of mine who are in the burlesque community, and
you know, I think burlesque is a great form of
entertainment for the appropriately aged. It can be lots of fun,

(36:54):
It can be funny and sexy and all that kind
of stuff. But I really get squick doubt by burlesque
shows that are themed around something that was originally intended
for children. For example, like these are all Saturday Morning
cartoon characters, Like I find that unsettling, and and that
kind of extends also to this sort of cynical look

(37:17):
at the world, like I would almost prefer an original
character who's obviously inspired by these uh, these these characters
who were created for children, because otherwise it feels like
you're corrupting something that was never like it didn't have
a malicious intent from the beginning, so why are you

(37:38):
corrupting it? And I know that also comes across the
sort of prudish stuff. And I'm not arguing that my
view is the best view or the right view. It's
just what I feel, you know what.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I But I think I agree with you on all
of those things, both on the fact that, like, there
have been some instances and I know that there have
been because I've enjoyed some children's stuff that has been
aged up, but I can't think of them offhand. But
for the most part, yeah, a lot of like aging

(38:10):
up of kids stuff also kind of creeps me out.
And then I also agree, like what is the point
of the Barney movie. I hadn't thought about that, and
as an actor, that kind of upsets me that I
didn't look at that first. You know, Yeah, I don't
know if this is necessary. It won't be for me.
I'm pretty certain.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, I And maybe I'll feel differently when it gets
further along, maybe like I'll see something and say, oh,
this is actually saying something I didn't anticipate, and I
really am intrigued. But the just from my own biases,
and again I admit this is a bias I have.
It's got a very tough hill to climb.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah. I mean we both kind of did change our
tune on the Barbie movie, although we haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Uh yeah, I just again, I think like if this
were a movie where it was it was a sort
of a satire of Barney but not actually Barney, it
might be easier for me to take. It's the fact
that it's tapping into that ip while also trying to
have this cynical twist to it that bothers me. I

(39:17):
guess it's why, like I really like Avenue Q, and
it's because Avenue Q is playing off stuff like Sesame
Street and the Muppets, but it's not actually taking those
characters who were you know, different levels of pure in
my imagination, and then twisting them to tell a twisted story.

(39:40):
It's creating original characters who are clearly inspired by those things.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. But speaking of the Barbie movie
and kind of adding aging up children stuff, I wonder
if to Gerwig is going to do that with the
Chronicles of Narnia movies that she's making for Netflix.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I hope not. Yeah, no, I don't imagine. I mean,
like C. S. Lewis worked in so much sort of
Christian theology into his works that it would seem very
odd to take that approach with the Narnia stories. Yeah,
we know that Greta Gerwig is writing and directing two

(40:26):
movies for Netflix because the previous studio that had the
film rights to the Narnia stories lost them a few
years ago, right, So like The Lion, the Witch and
the Wardrobe and the other movies that came out those.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
All Voyage of the Dawn Treedder.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, those were made by the other studio, but then
they lost the rights to the stories. After a while,
Netflix picked them up, swooped in and grabbed them as
fast as it could. And now Greta Gerwig is going
to be making two movies. We don't know which stories
she's going to be adapting, are we going to get
another take on the Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.

(41:06):
There are also arguments within the fandom of C. S.
Lewis about what order you should read the books because
they're not all chronological.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, yeah, I was about to say that, so, you know,
the same way that people say you could watch Marvel
movies chronologically or in release order, or the same for
Star Wars. It's similar for Chronicles of Narnia. Exception to
the fact that most of the books have not actually
been made into movies. We had like an old BBC
version of some live action movies, but I don't think

(41:36):
they did all of the books. We had like a
cartoon mini series, and then we had this latest series
that was Prince Caspian, the Line of the Witch and
the Wardrobe, and The Voyage of the Dawn Tredder. Not
in that order, but I believe in book release order.
So it is interesting because if they don't do it
in book release order, you're going to get a different
understanding of characters at a different time for like I guess,

(41:58):
newer audiences. It baffles in my mind that there might
be people who are not familiar with these books because
they are so influential in my growing up. But if
they if they do a live action Prince Sorry Silver Chair,
which I think the last time a live action of
that was done was with the BBC, then they could

(42:18):
bring Tom Baker back as puddle Glom because he's also
Doctor Who. But he is ninety now, but I think
he could totally do it.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, let's let's hold off on the fan casting until
we hear more about which stories he's going to actually adapt.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, some are definitely harder to do than others, which
is why I'm I'm assuming why we haven't gotten more
live action adaptations. Yeah, because like Disney stuff, you can
only live action adapt like parts of the story, there's
gonna be a lot of CDI or Muppets or whatever involved.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, to the point where I would I would quibble
with Disney about their definition of live action. Most of
the time, it doesn't really mean live action. It just
means not hand drawn animation.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I heard a rumor, and I hope that it was
just a rumor, impostulation and fake, that Disney was considering
doing a live action version of their Robin Hood And
that's not possible. It's not possible.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
All I can all I can imagine is like a
a seventy five minute long video of two foxes struggling
to get out of costume pieces that have been put
on them and then wrestling with each other. And that's it.
That's the whole napping and that's the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I would love that. I would love that. Yeah, Like,
because what either you fully animate it because they're all
animals and it doesn't work like the Lion King, or
you make them people, in which case it's just Robin Hood.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
We've done that.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
We've been there.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, many many times. Robinhood has been made so many times.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
So I hope this was just a made up rumor
and not an actual rumor.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
They should just go and remake ivan Hoe. Just remake
ivan Hoe. We've had enough Robin Hood's remake.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Irony, sure, sure, sure, Speaking of plenty of remakes, recently,
we've had plenty of remakes of the Suicide Squad, But
that doesn't mean we aren't getting another.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah up there, Yeah, we're getting another animated version of
the Suicide Squad, and really an anime style Suicide Squad,
and it is being produced overseas, and in fact, I
don't even know, like I mean I'm assuming we'll get

(44:49):
the English language version over here eventually, but the style
is very much in the anime style. Also, it seems
like it's drawing on the less popular version of the
live action Suicide Squad because there's a sequence of the
Joker driving a car and laughing, and it just makes

(45:09):
me think of was it Leto who played? Who was
it that played? Yeah? Okay, his his version of the
Joker in the the Not Good Suicide Squad movie.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah. Although he doesn't look the same, he looks different.
His crazy Joker mouth is like drawn on with sharp teeth,
which is kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
He looks he looks a bit more like he's like,
he's like an edgier version of the classic animated Joker
character that you're familiar with.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah. Yeah, So it's done by the people who did
Attack on Titan, which is pretty cool. That was a
fun anime, the parts of it that I watched fun
fun for certain definitions, pretty dark. Kataku says that it's
a This version of the Joker is a canonical post
joke Joe King Joaquin Joaquin Phoenix. Anytime I read his name,

(46:05):
I can no longer pronounce it. But but yeah, it
looks interesting. It is going to be different in the
fact that it looks like, ah, it looks like the
Suicide Squad is going to a different planet or a
different reality. Uh. With that that's more fantastical, so like

(46:27):
with dragons and things like that, it's called Suicide Squad.
Uh is a kai and isekai actually means other world,
so that could be fun. It could be Suicide Squad
with in dungeons and dragons.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It was somewhat weird that it doesn't really show members
of the Suicide Squad apart from Harley and then uh
what surface the Amanda wall Amanda Waller and because Joker
was never really part of Suicide Squad. But Amanda, Amanda
Waller and and Harley Quinn those are like the only

(47:02):
two characters in the trailer that you would immediately identify
as being Suicide Squad characters. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I suspect either there will be more, but they just
put the ones in that people would recognize, like most off,
or that they're going to create another world version of
the Suicide Squad with the fantastical people they meet in
their fantastical land full of dragons and gotcha hog.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Folk man, Now you're talking about my family reunion. Okay, hey,
moving on, I said, my family reunion. We've got a
trailer also for the film Miraculous, Lady bug and Cat Noir.
Lady Bugging or Miraculous is a series. It's actually a

(47:49):
series from France. It's run for I think like five
seasons something like that, and there have been English translation
versions that have played on a couple of different I
think it might be on Disney at this point. I
have never watched it. I was not familiar with it.
When I saw this trailer, I thought it was a
brand new thing, and only through research that I realized,

(48:12):
oh no, this has been around for a while, but
the film looks like it. It's more or less an
origin story. So if you're like me and you're not
familiar with the property, this looks like this could be
an entry point for you, as opposed to Oh, remember
when we talked about the Teen Wolf movie where I said,
I never watched the Teen Wolf series, so I had

(48:33):
no idea what was going on in that trailer. I
didn't know who any of the characters were, why they
were reacting to each other the way they were. This
is like the opposite. This is like an Origin story film,
and it looks really cute.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
It does. I mean, I was familiar with the children's show.
I hadn't watched a lot of it, but I've seen,
you know, enough of it because I've worked with children
for so long and I have so many friends with
children that I was really surprised you added it to
our list. But then I watched the trailer and yeah,
it look really cute. It kind of looks like a
reverse Spider Man and that girl Cat who's a burglar

(49:10):
who they're trying to give her own movie to. Oh
uh uh shaw, Can I love it?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
No, it's it does start with an S, though, doesn't
it silver. I'll have to get back to you.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, anyhow, it looks like a reverse of that. But
you know, a lot of the heroes are kind of
bugger animal themed. The villain is Hawk Moth, so it's
totally spoof on you know, superheroes and superpowers. The only
thing about the trailer that I think is a little
unfortunate is that they make a mime the villain, and

(49:46):
mime's already get the short end of the rope so often.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, I know, Hawk Moth is also the father of
Cat noir. I think, so it is interesting to uh,
to kind of see this sort of take on superheroes.
I think, uh, like it looked it looked entertaining and
cute enough, like like fun. It looked like that fun

(50:11):
level of cute. Not I'm not being dismissive when I
say cute. That it has me interested. So I think
I was thinking of Silver Sable. But that's not who
you were you were talking about. I think you might
have been talking about like black Cat or something.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
But yeah, Felicia Hardy, black Cat, Felicia Hardy. But you know,
it looks cute. I'm I'm glad I have nieces and nephews,
so I have an excuse to watch it.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I mean, I'll watch it without any excuse because it
just looks like again, it looks like it's an adventurous
kind of fun. It made me. It gave me sort
of big hero six vibes. Yeah, not you know, from
that same level of like adventure kind of feel to it.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah, it looks delightful. Something else that I think looks delightful.
It's been a bit of a question mark on my
friends group's radar, you know, not that Jonathan is my
friend but you know I have different groups of friends.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
She doesn't talk to me.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
The trailer for the Corner Office.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
So I got bad news for you, Ariel. Well, first
of all, we should explain what this trailer is. So
John Hamm is playing a character in this movie where
he has joined a company, and he's joined an office
in this company and is working at this office. He
is not fully at home in this office. He has

(51:43):
a lot of strong opinions, and he feels like he's
not truly appreciated and that he can't really work where
effectively in the office environment. And then he comes across
a ginormous, luxurious office space that no one else seem
to realize is there and starts to use that. And

(52:04):
meanwhile his coworkers all think that he's a weirdo and
is shirking his work and is being unfairly rewarded for
his work. And so it's kind of the surreal satire
on corporate life. But the bad news I have for you,
Ariel is that this this movie came out last year,

(52:26):
but it came out last year on the on the
film festival circuit. It did not hit like wide distribution
and currently has a sixteen percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well, listen, everybody's picking up on the fact that the
trailer just got released like this past week for public
release and a new trailer, So I think it's going to.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Get No, it's getting wide distribution now. It's just it's
taken a year from the festival circuit, which is not unusual, right, Like,
there are independent films who will make a movie, they'll
take it, they'll submit it for a festival, it'll get
aired at the festival, and then a distribution company will
pick up the film and then distribute it later on.

(53:11):
So there are times where you might see a movie
a year before it comes out to everybody else because
you happen to be at a film festival. I've had
that happen once or twice where I saw a movie
in early release before it hit wide release, you know,
like a year later. So that's not unusual. The problem is,
and and granted it was, it's there's not like there's

(53:32):
been a ton of critics who have seen this. I
think it was maybe like six, but out of the
sixth only one, only one positive one, And like these
are and the reviewers who did see it include people
who write for you know, recognizable journals, not just not
just like you know, Jim Bob's movie review and Hoop

(53:54):
to Do site. The Hollywood Reporter review is really bad.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, that being said, it's seven point eight on IMDb
out of ten, and that has forty five reviews. So
and oftentimes critical review and audience review are different on
Rotten Tomatoes. So I will be interested to see if
that rating changes or drops worse as more people watch it.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It is is based off a novel or and that
novel comes from Sweden, where everything is cheerful, h you get,
and it's very gram actually a very grim book. But
it's called there. It's called The Room. But for understandable reasons,
they did not call the movie adaptation The Room the Room.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, probably probably wise. Now I'm really curious whether The
Room has higher ratings on Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I think I think the problem is that the reviewers
that I read say the movie essentially makes it it's
point fairly early on. The character the protagonist is not
particularly likable because he has sort of a superiority complex
compared to the other people around him. Right, He just
thinks of himself as being better than people around him,

(55:14):
which means it's very hard to empathize with because he's
kind of a jerk. And then the whole premise is
stretched out beyond what the film can support. So a
lot of the reviews I was reading were saying, this
would have made an excellent short film, but it doesn't.
Like the length of the movie is to its detriment.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, I would say that the same thing about Tommy
Wizzou's The Room, which is twenty five percent so technically
higher right now on Rotten Tomatoes, higher rated, but I
think a lot more people have seen that, so well,
we'll see how that plays out. Sometimes I like things
that nobody else likes, look at Dylan Dog, Dead of

(55:55):
Night and Van Helsing, So I might still like it.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, you know, you know, I was definitely intrigued by
it because it did look kind of otherworldly in the
sense of, you know, here's this very mundane setting and
there's this one little quirky element to it, which again
kind of brings us back to you mentioned being John
Malkovich earlier. It makes me think of that, right, like, yeah,

(56:22):
this very mundane world and then this very strange, unusual
element is introduced, and how does that end up you know,
creating the story, and I don't know. Maybe it turns
out the reviewers that have seen it so far are
a bunch of grouchy pants mcgeeese, and that maybe once

(56:43):
it does hit wider distribution, we'll see other perspectives come in.
So here's hoping. I never want anything to come out
and be bad. But what is interesting to me is
that some of the themes of Corner Office also find
their way into the next movie that's on our lineup.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yes, which is a technically a horror movie, but one
that I really enjoyed the trailer for. It's called zomb
one hundred. And thank you for adding it, Jonathan, because
this one completely missed my my attention.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, zomb one hundred Bucket List of the Dead. So
in this one, this is a movie again from our
friends in Asia. So this is this is a film
that's going to involve either you reading some subtitles or
getting a dub version of it. But unless you you know,
unless you're fluent. But the the premise is that the

(57:43):
protagonist is just completely disillusioned with work, absolutely dreads having
to go into the office. He finds it like soul
sucking to have to go to the office, and so
when a zombie outbreak happens, one of his early reactions
after the initial I need to get away from being

(58:05):
eaten by zombies, is I don't have to go to work.
This is amazing.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, yeah, And then he comes to the realization that
eventually he's gonna either die or get turned into a
zombie because you're living in the zombie apocalypse, which, you know,
to be fair, zombies are an allegory for death right,
it comes for us all. So he makes his bucket
list of things to do and then meets other people
who think that's awesome, and yeah, they make the best

(58:33):
of their situation, which I think, you know, if you
ask what's the point of a movie to make the
best of your situation and have fun and find the
bright side of things. I think it's a really fun
story and a fun way to tell that story.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
This definitely looks like a horror comedy kind of thing,
and I found it really an entertaining trailer, So I'm
hopeful that the whole movie holds up of that because
I like horror comedies. I like a good horror comedy,
and you know, the zombie genre definitely has its share
of horror comedies that I think the Jewel in the

(59:12):
Crown is shown of the dead, but there are lots
of other ones too.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah. Yeah, Zombie Land is another very popular one. I
think I prefer zombies to the next horror movie. But
I have to admit that talking about this one is
completely my fault, and I don't know if most people
would call it a horror. It's a movie called Apocalypse

(59:37):
Clown about three washed up failed clowns who try to
realize their dreams in like an anarchic apocalyptic Ireland.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I have friends who are terrified of clowns. For them them,
this would be a complete horror. For me, it's kind
of horrific. How gross some of the clowns are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
No, they look kind of like they look kind of
grungy and dirty, But other than that, I don't think
they look particularly gross. But yeah, I mean it's this
is very Irish humor, right, Like you're getting that very
dry kind of the dry wit that we associate with
places like Ireland and England and that sort of thing

(01:00:30):
where it's this dead pan approach to comedy and it's
the combination of the absurd and the deadpan that end
up creating the humor. But yeah, yeah, it's these three
clowns where you know something has happened in Ireland that
is essentially knocked all technology off for a while. I

(01:00:53):
love the scenes of like the big Green Verdant rolling
hills with fires everywhere, and I'm like, what exactly is
on fire? I've been to Ireland. There's not that much
to set on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Sheep, sheep or sheep on fire?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I mean, yeah, sheep could be on fire. There are
a lot of sheep in Ireland, but you would expect
those fires to be moving a whole lot more than
they are.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Fish fish and chip carts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
No, it's not not in countryside.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I've never been to the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Well, Ireland is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I've never been to Ireland or Scotland or England or Wales.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
How's that Northern Ireland is in the UK, but Ireland
is not. Okay, I don't know this one. This one
hit me the way a lot of of of Irish
and British comedies do, which is that it's got that
sense of humor that sometimes works for American audiences but
often doesn't because you know, they take they also can

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take a very cynical look at stuff, but they it
behind this sort of dead pan approach to comedy, so
it becomes something that is not commonly encountered in American entertainment.
I'm thinking also of there's an Australian horror movie. I
think it's Australian. It's Australian, not New Zealand. Right. If

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it's New Zealand, my apologies because I don't mean to
to to mix up the two. But it's house Bound.
I think it's what's called anyway. It's a great, great
horror comedy film, but it has that same sort of
very cynical, deadpan kind of approach. And these these films,

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like films of that nature, they're not afraid of making
their protagonists unlikable or hard to like. And again that's
very different from what you typically see in a lot
of American entertainment, not all of it, but a lot
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
So, first of all, Housebound is New Zealand. You were
you were correct to correct yourself. Secondly, when I said gross,
I think that's what I meant, like unlikable. The clowns
are kind of groedy. Gross humor, I think is more
what I meant, not visually upsetting okay, yeah, but but
also that happens sometimes again in comedies. But yeah, if

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you like Irish comedy sensibilities to check out the trailer,
this might be for you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yep, that's Apocalypse Clown. And then finally we've got one
final horror comedy to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
M No, it's just a horror. It's just a horror.
It's the none to none harder.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Well, I mean it's not really none harder, but that's
what I wrote.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I mean, in my mind, Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
That is funnier set out loud than it was when
I wrote it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Down, well harder. First of all, you're welcome a second all,
that's what it's called in my mind. Now, you can't
convince me otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I mean, I love the idea of looking at this
demonic non and saying there's none harder than her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah. So this is obviously a sequel or a prequel.
I couldn't quite tell. I haven't watched the first Nun, Jonathan,
it's a sequel, Okay, yes, because there's a child who
encountered the nun, and now that the child is an adult,
she's encountering the nun again. My brain goes, child, that's
a prequel, but no, it's it's it's more nonsense in

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not the musical way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, I did watch the original, the first Nun film.
So this is part of the Conjuring universe. So all
of those movies, you know, the Conjuring films, and then
Annabelle is an offshoot of those, and so is the
Nun and they had they introduced the None character in
one of the other movies. I think it was one
of the Annabelle movies if if I'm not mistaken, maybe

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it was the Conjuring one. I don't know, but I
will say this, I didn't like the original Nun film.
I'm not a huge fan of the Conjuring Universe. I
think the first film is okay, but I don't. I
also find it irritating because it is based off of
actual people who, in my mind, were really just scam

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artists as opposed to demonologists or whatever they you know,
these are the same people who perpetuated the scam about
you know, the Amityville House, like The Amityville Horror is
also a film that's based off the work of these people.

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And I don't really like giving them like more credit.
Is I feel like they I mean, they purposefully perpetuated
a lie for years and years and years. So I'm
not a big fan of that in general. But if
you can divorce yourself from that, which is hard for
me to do, but if I can divorce myself from that,
I can appreciate at least the first Conjuring film for

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the craft and for the approach to creating a creepy
scary movie. The Nun I felt lacked a lot of
the artistry the craft of creating something like that, and
just leaned harder on things like jump scares, and so
it didn't work for me as much. The trailer for

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this one. It's hard for me to say one way
or the other. There was one sequence in this that
I just thought was ridiculous that I was like, that's
not scary, that's just dumb. But there were other elements
where I was like, this secrets. I don't know. Was
it the sequence of all the magazines? Yes, you like
that part?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I thought that was cool. I thought it was unrealistic.
So there's a scene in I think a subway station
or something. It's a new stand, a new stand, it's
dark anyhow, and all of all of these magazines start
flipping through and then they end up flipping to pages
that create a collage of an impressionist version of the nun,

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and then she appears. I thought, artistically, that was a
cool idea. It was the part one part of the
trailer that I thought was neat, because the rest of
it was just scary.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
And jump scares see. To me, that part irritated me
because I'm like, well, that's just a great coincidence that
the perfect images exist in all of those magazines to
allow for that collage to happen, and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
That it wasn't a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Oh you mean you mean like before she before she
got there, the gun is sitting there like for like
forty five minutes, going crap, crap, crap, crap, rearranging all
the magazines so that they can make this effect just perfectly. Yes,
when she should Yes, now see, I'll watch that movie.
I'll watch the movie where the creepy nun is like
like like looking at her watch and going, oh, no, crap,

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it's got like three minutes. I gotta get this. And
it's like swapping swapping one copy of a magazine for
a different magazine so that she can get it. Just right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
In my mind, it's because I don't know much about
the Conjuring or the nun universe either. It was all
of these magazines were inspired to put the right pages
in the right places that would be on the right
part of the I don't know how much preemptive cognizance
the Nun has, but if she did, you know, Domino
set up the dominoes to fall into the right place
on omnissions, maybe knowing what's going to happen when, or

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the Nun altered the images on each page to look
like her so that she could come out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I mean that that would be fine, except then you
don't have to keep turning the pages over and over
and over again. Right, you could just have them all open.
If you can change what the images are, you just
have them all open at the same time, and boom,
you're done.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Maybe maybe she could only alter pages that had.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Something on them, Yeah, like an ad for Taco Bell
and it turns out it's all just placement. Yes, I mean,
I will I will say. You said you aren't familiar
with the Nun's powers. I think I think even if
you had watched the movie, you would still have to
say that because I feel like I feel like the characters,
like the malevolent characters in the Conjuring Universe, have kind

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of the equivalent of plot armor. They have the ability
that is necessary for them to have in order for
the story to keep going. So like it's impossible for
you to sit down and list what they can and
can't do, because it's completely situational, depending upon what the
plot needs. And that's another thing that irritates me is
that there are no there are no recognizable rules of

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the universe. And I like I like fictional universes where
they have understandable rules, even if those are rules that
are revealed to you as you go through the story.
I like that a lot more than stories where there
are no discernible rules and so therefore nothing really matters
or makes sense. I that's again my own personal perspective

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and my own personal likes and dislikes. I can't get
into movies where there's not like a clear set of
rules in place.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Well, because if you don't have a clear set of rules,
then you don't have you don't have I'm trying to
think of the word and anticipatable stakes, right, you can't
and you can't realistically invest in something or worry about something,

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especially in a horror universe, if there aren't rules, because
if it's just I say, this happens because I rolled
the dice or whatever, you know in the writer's room, Yeah,
there's there's You can't follow it, so you can't anticipate it.
You can't can't dread it because yeah, you can't build
up there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah. Well, And like, as an example of a movie
where I feel like they got it mostly right, I'll
say The Ring, because in The Ring, the rules are
established pretty early on, and you then eventually, if you've
watched The Ring, you know that a character realizes very

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late in to the story that one of her assumptions
about the rules is wrong, that she did the wrong thing.
That she thought she was doing the right thing, but
turns out that was the wrong choice because she didn't
have a She and the audience didn't have a full
understanding of the rules. But the point is the filmmakers
knew what the rules were, right and they had established them.

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It's just that we didn't get to discover that till
late in the story. And it still is very satisfying
because you get the feeling that, yes, there are rules,
we just didn't know what they all were until it
got to be a bit too late.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Yep, everything and you said one hundred percent accurate?

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Were you unable to hear it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
No? I never watched The Ring.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Oh it is not for you, Ariel. You have a
very low threshold or scary. The Ring is The Ring
and Ring Goo, the film that it's based off of,
are two of my favorite horror movies of the last
several decades, and I don't you know, you wouldn't get

(01:12:28):
any enjoyment out of them, so I would never make
you watch them, Ariel. But I just feel like they
they follow that philosophy really well, in the idea of
establishing rules for your universe and then abiding by those rules.
It gets a little more squishy as you go to
sequels and stuff, but if you're looking at just the

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first film in the series, I think they really are
good examples of what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
So as a sequel to The Ring and Ringo Rango,
the story about a can million who lives in the West.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yep, that's it. It's all about Johnny Depp, which is yep, terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Oh yes, uh, anyhow, that's interesting. It makes me wish
that I could watch the Ring, but I trust your
judgment in telling me that I ought not to. If
if anyone listening to the show wants to weigh in
on the Ring or Ring Goo or anything we've talked about,

(01:13:27):
or even just be like Ariel, get your thoughts together,
get your head out of the clouds, and give us
some better sentences when you talk. You can contact us, Jonathan,
how should they do that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Well, if you want to contact me, you're going to
need to go outside and look under some nearby bushes.
You're going to find an old, faded VHS tape there.
It's going to like the label's completely faded. You can't
even read what's on the label anymore. And you're gonna
need to track down a VCR someplace and hope that

(01:14:00):
up to a television and put that VHS tape in
and push play. When you push play, you're gonna see
a sequence of odd scenes that don't seem to have
any real connective tissue between them. They're gonna be a
little unsettling, and at the very end of that sequence,
when the screen turns to static, which is going to
be very confusing, because no one knows what static looks

(01:14:22):
like anymore. Because TVs don't do that anymore. Your phone's
gonna ring, and then you're gonna go over and answer
the phone. And when you answer the phone, you're gonna
hear a voice say, it's Nicholas Cage. I'm playing Nick
Fury in Secret Invasion. You need to watch it. So
then you got to go over to Disney Plus and
you gotta start up Secret Invasion and for you and
you alone, it's Nick Cage playing Nick Fury. And at

(01:14:44):
the end of it at as a stinger after the credits,
you're gonna see me pop up and I'm gonna say, hey,
what's a question.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
That's when you can ask uh yeah, yeah. And if
you want to do contact us without streaming services, you
can out to us on social media on Facebook, Instagram
threads which is we've just joined and discord we are
large Nerdron Collider. On Twitter. For the time being, we

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are LNC Underscore Podcast. You can also email us at
large Nerdron Pod at gmail dot com. Hey, if you're listening,
tell us what social media sites you like. Will continue
posting on them all, but if there's one that nobody
listens to, we might just drop that one or watches Also,
we have some fun geeky stuff that we didn't talk

(01:15:34):
about in the episode that I might drop in the discord.
So keep an eye out there, and thank you for
listening and being a part of our community. We appreciate
you all. Yes until Yes, until next time. I am
Ariel bad At anticipating the lag casting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
And I am Jonathan. I'm on Blue Sky Now. Strickland
nerdron Collider was created by Ariel Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted,
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