Side by Side By Spiderman

You asked for it, you got it. A whole musical mash-up from Jonathan Strickland, inspired by the late great Sondheim and your friendly neighborhood spider. Oh yeah, and we talk about some news too!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdroun Collider podcast is a production of My
Heart Radio. Hey everybody, welcome to the Large nerdrun Collider,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are
about it. I am Ariel casting and with me as

(00:31):
always is holly jolly Jonathan Strickland Jaba ruled with fear.
I will rule with party favors. Habba Java. Maybe not
holly jolly, Habba Java, Jonathan Strickland. There, that's more my style.
I'm hobba job. I have a Hobba Joba Christmas. Hey, Ariel, Yes, Jonathan,

(00:52):
I got a question for you. Okay, this one just
a simple choice Marvel or d C. We're not just
talking films here, we're talking in general Marvel or d C,
d C. Explain yourself and pray make it improbable. And

(01:16):
this is where I changed my mind. Um no it
do you see? Because growing up I always loved watching
like Batman. I mean, I watched like X Men, New
Class and things like that, but my favorite cartoons were Batman,
the animated series, Justice League, um, the second Justice League cartoon.
So that's kind of what I connected with first. I mean,

(01:39):
as I've grown up with the Marvel movies. Obviously I'm
m I'm leaning towards Marvel now, but I think DC
always has my first love because that's those that's what
I grew up on, and also like even coming into adulthood,
like the Teen Titans commercial was adorable and um things
things like that. There's a Young Justice cartoon out now

(02:03):
that I actually quite like. So um yeah, I mean
it's mainly because of cartoons. As far as comics go,
I don't have a favorite comic verse, but like comic
book verse, but in the media that I consume, it's DC. Um,
I am guessing you are also DC image comics all

(02:25):
the way. I'm going the third choice. I didn't know.
I'm just kidding. Um. You know what, it is funny
because I presenting that sort of of choice. I do
feel like it's a false die comic economy because I
think most people probably probably have the stuff they like
on both right like they don't there I'm sure there

(02:45):
are hardcore fans who, just like any other fandom, they
love what they love and they hate everything else. I'm
sure there are those people. I think when it comes
to comics. I was a d C guy. I was
never really like I remember reading now Batman comics. I
remember reading the Death of Superman saga. I had all

(03:07):
those comics I had. I read through the Justice League International,
in Justice League Europe, UH comics that a friend of
mine had. I didn't have as many Marvel comics. Oddly enough,
the Marvel comics I had were like what if they
were all the you know, they weren't the main storyline comics. Um,

(03:27):
when it comes to movies, I mostly prefer Marvel. There
are a couple of DC films, like the Original, well
not Original. The nineteen eight Superman movie is still one
of my favorite super that it's one of my favorite
superhero movies of all time. Um, it's absolutely corny and ridiculous,
and it is so sincere that it almost hurts, but

(03:51):
I genuinely love it. So But you know, more modern movies,
it's mostly the Marvel stuff. So yeah, I kind of
feel the same way. I don't think, you know, if
you made me choose, I think I would probably choose Marvel,
just because I feel like recently I've much preferred the
stuff I've consumed from Marvel then from d C. Um, Like,

(04:15):
you know, we've talked at at length about how the
d C Cinematic universe is one that I do not
like very much. Um, do you have to go back
a few movies for me to get to some DC
movies that I actually really enjoyed. I liked wonder Woman, Okay,
Um it was okay, Yeah, I think Wonder Woman was

(04:38):
the best out of the films I've seen in the
d C uh universe. The the second bird uh not
Birds of Prey, the second Suicide Squad film had its moments,
but it seemed like such a zany one off that
it's hard to even group it with anything else. So yeah,
that's kind of my answer to But um no, But

(04:59):
here's the thing. I've think you were not kidding with
Image Comics because that's Bone and we all know that's
your favorite list of all the favorites, I mean, there
are a lot of there are a lot of great
titles that came out of Image, but yeah, yeah, Bone
is is phenomenal. It's just a great fantasy story, let
alone a great comic. We've got some news. In fact,
we've got enough news for two full segments today before

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we get to our mash up, and our first one
is to talk a little bit about trailer for the
Peanuts special Old lang Zine, which is the Apple TV
Peanuts special. Uh, you know, we we saw a little
teaser for it before where we you know, Charlie Brown
says that his goal is to finish at least one

(05:40):
of his New Year's resolutions before the year is over,
and that seemed like that was kind of the thrust
of the episode. But this trailer makes it sound like
it's that Charlie Brown is going to be kind of
a a supporting character. Yeah, this one, it looks like
it's featuring on Lucy. She's starting a big New Year's
Eve party, her grandma doesn't come and she thinks it
her fault. And so I don't know. Watching the trailer

(06:03):
for me, once I got past the fact that Charlie
Brown's voice didn't sound exactly like Charlie Brown in my head,
I realized that it's probably the same kid actor who
did him in the movie a few years back, So
it is the current Charlie Brown. Just I yeah, I've
got something stuck in my head. Um that it's like
a Lucy redemption story is kind of what it looked

(06:23):
like from the trailer to me. Yeah. Also, it was
interesting to see a a cartoon where Lucy is on
the receiving end of some of the abuse, because usually
it's Charlie Brown who gets almost all the abuse, with
some of the other characters getting a lighter load of it.
Lucy almost always comes out scott free, with the exception

(06:44):
of eventually getting kissed by Snoopy and saying that she's
got dog germs. But apart from that, you don't usually
see Lucy get, you know, any any kind of abuse
in this cartoon. Seems like that's gonna be a little different,
which is interesting. Um, I don't have any I don't
have any problem with it at all, and that I think,

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you know, it's fun to explore new stuff. You don't
want to just make the same specials over and over
and uh, you know, the animation I thought look cute
and um yeah, I mean, if I had Apple TV,
I'm sure i'd watch it. It's got all of the
Snoopy siblings. I also do not have Apple TV, though
I'm probably going to get it so I can watch
like Schmigadoon and Foundation and Lasso. I do want to

(07:28):
see those two. Yeah, those are like, this is the
part of the streaming services that is the worst, right
where you you discover that there are some properties that
you probably would really enjoy, but the only way to
do it is to subscribe to yet another streaming service.
I mean, it's fine if you are good at like
canceling one before buying the next one, and then canceling

(07:49):
that one before you buy the first one again, because
there's not like an up charge to cancel and read
subscribe at this point, I hope there never is, um
because that's the only way I can do it. Is Okay,
season two of picardis coming out, so now cancel Apple
TV and get Paramount back. Let's see. I yeah, Whereas
I'm just like, I don't have the energy. I will

(08:10):
I will stick with what I have. In fact, I've
been thinking about, like I said, I keep saying it.
I think about canceling Netflix simply because i haven't watched
anything on it in a really long time, and I've
got stuff like Amazon Prime and HBO Max and Disney Plus,
and I'm like, well, maybe I should just delete, you know,
cancel out of Netflix for a while and comes into

(08:32):
it when I want to. You should cancel for a while,
but come back because it does have some really good
It's got a lot a lot of stuff on it
that is not my cup of tea, but it does
have some good things. Lock and key. Um. I really
enjoyed the first two episodes of Cowboy Bebop, even though,
like reviews are saying that it's a little bit uneven
in tone, it felt very Cowboy Bebop nor to me. So, Um,

(08:53):
there are good things if you find the time to
watch the Yeah, yeah, it's just that, it's just that
making the time right. Well, moving on one thing I
know I will make time for it, despite the fact
that I was so ready to just be done with
this character and yet they pull me back in is
the Book of Boba Fette. We got another It's called

(09:16):
a trailer, but I call it a teaser. Another teaser
for that it's not that much different from what we've
seen before. We do get some more looks at some
of the aliens, but the same message that I was
jokingly alluding to in the opening about Jaba ruled with fear.
I intend to rule with respect. But m and Party

(09:37):
favors it. Uh it looks good, Yeah, it does. Um,
you know, I like the actor who placed Boba Fette.
I like, um the tretiary squad that he's got as well. Um,
it looks good. Yeah the teaser, the teaser really didn't
show too much new. I'm kind of surprised it even
made any news at all. Um. But whereas like Breaking

(10:01):
that is showing as Mr Chips turns into scar Face,
this kind of feels like watching scar Face turned into
Mr Chips. I don't know. I mean, he's still going
to be a crime lord. It's just the question of
whether or not he'll be a kinder, gentler crime lord. Yeah,
I don't know. Our Our other story we want to

(10:23):
cover in this segment is that Mr Beast, the guy
that I mostly know as the dude who likes to
give away huge amounts of money and make videos about
it and runs phantom kitchen burger joints. And I think
I would like his videos more if he didn't seem
so um pleased with himself about giving money away, Like,

(10:47):
I want the focus to be more on the people
who receive the money and less on Look how awesome
I am for giving the money, but hey, you know
people are getting like nice donations and stuff. I shouldn't
really complain anyway. He's behind a real life version of
the Squid Game competition, So if you're not, if you

(11:10):
are one of the few people out there who have
not watched squid Game, the general premise is that people
who are really down on their luck end up being
contacted to participate in these games that are based off
of children's games things like Tug of War, except it
turns out there are lethal consequences if you lose said game,

(11:34):
and that each round it gets whittled down more and more,
sort of Battle Royal style. Well, this sounds like, um,
it's going to have uh fo six people competing for
cash and that they will similarly be playing these kinds
of games, but presumably the losers will not be killed.

(11:56):
Yeah yeah, and so being killed they have like I guess,
fake blood paths that are actually kind of brown. It
just kind of looks like some muddy water exploded on
their chest that when they fail a challenge, it explodes,
And from watching the trailer, it looks like they're just
like the orange suit guys with the circle triangle square
faces might be the ones triggering triggering those packs. So

(12:17):
it like they walk up and if they saw you
move on red light, green light, they will point their
little control yeah and and set it off. So I
guess if you're real sneaky, it makes your heart poop.
It makes your heart poop. That's kind of what it
looks like. And also, you don't get forty five point

(12:38):
six billion Korean dollars. You get four hundred and fifty
six thousand dollars. But that's still nothing to turn your
nose on that. Yeah. No, if someone offered me, we
all just shy a half a million dollars, I'd be like,
I'm listening. Uh, I know. I wouldn't make it like
pass round one in any sort of game. I am

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just not um. I love games, I am bad at them,
and I have accepted this. Upon hearing the premise, I
was like, this is horrible. There should not be a
show about this. I'm like, I'm if you've listened to
our show long enough, you know that I don't really
like life imitating art on things like the Purge or
an actual squod games. But watching the trailer for the

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show or the clip from the show, it looks like
the contestants are just having a lot of fun, So
I'm okay. With it. It makes me think of like
other classic uh sort of the obstacle course style games
that were a big hit, the stuff that came originally
out of Japan and then made their way over So
everything from uh the Ninja games to wipe Out wipe Out,

(13:46):
which was another great example that you know, like that
that style of game just seems like, uh, something that
really connects with people. Like I always loved I really
loved watching people who are really good at those things.
I just like to I had fired that level of
skill and agility and strength and everything. Um And occasionally,
like you see ones that are goofy where people get

(14:07):
eliminated in spectacular fashion, but no one's like hurt or anything.
I love those two. And then every once in a
while you watch somebody white out and you're like, I
am certain that hurt. Yeah. The other times where you're like,
there's no way that didn't sting at least a little. Well,
something that's gonna sting us a little is that we
need to go to a break. But when we come back,

(14:30):
we're gonna cover a few more news stories and then
stick around. We got ourselves a heck of a mashup
coming up at the end of this episode. So I

(14:52):
really liked your segue into the break, Jonathan. Um, and
coming out of this segway, I've gotten nothing so clever
exception of another news story. And this new story is
that we're getting Gorillas movie on Netflix. Yeah, as in
the animated band, you know. And you know what, Ariel,
I gotta say, this news really makes me feel good.

(15:18):
Are you just warming up your chops for your mash
up later, Jonathan, Hey, no spoilers. Yeah, so so yeah,
it's Gorillas obviously, like great great songs like Clint Eastwood
and uh, and that's the one I always go for
because that's the one that that I think is like,
that's my go too, but feel good, uh you know,

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um all the other ones. Well, it's funny because I'm like,
I'm like, I have their albums, and for some reason,
none of their songs are jumping to my mind. They
are fantastic. I love Gorilla's right. I've never seen they've
they've come like they've performed in Atlanta. I've never gotten
tickets to see them, and I had pretty much written
off any ability to ever really watch it because you know,

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it's it's one of those interesting projects where it's kind
of a rotating list roster, if you will, of people
who have worked with the folks behind the characters of
the Gorillas, and so the band has never been like
a single line up for its throughout its history. It's

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been lots of different people taking part in it. But
kind of yeah, or like a death clock from metal Ocalypse,
like they when they came out to play, they would
have the animated version of the characters playing on a
screen while real world musicians are playing on the stage. Um,

(16:43):
but yeah, we're getting an animated film. In fact, this
is not the first time this has been attempted. There
have been a couple of attempts to bring Guerrillas to
either the big or small screen, but those never panned out.
So this is this is a promising sign. They've they've
partnered with Netflix, and uh it seems like at least

(17:04):
the initial discussions have been going well yeah, well, I
mean previously, I feel like Netflix is the right choice because,
as we mentioned, Netflix does a lot of a lot
of various kinds of projects, and previously they had been
working with DreamWorks, and DreamWorks is like this is very
expensive and it's just too dark for us. So Netflix
doesn't have a problem going there, So it's I think

(17:26):
it's the right venue. Yeah, and also I mean, like
it's again a mark on how the entertainment industry has
truly transformed over the last decade. Right like ten years ago,
you wouldn't imagine that an internet streaming service would be
behind some of the most compelling TV and movies. But

(17:47):
now that's what I mean, that's what we were talking
about before the break too, is that that's the reality.
Now we've got streaming services that are you know, various
streaming services that have created incredibly compelling stuff from Lasso too,
you know the Wanda vision, like the Secession that's really HBO,

(18:07):
but it's on HBO Max. I mean that is a
streaming service now too. So yeah, So I mean we're
seeing that all across the board and it's um, you know,
I would say that HBO was kind of a groundbreaker
in that because it was a cable channel that was
doing that sort of stuff when really before it was
just these big established TV studios or movie studios and

(18:29):
Showtime and Stars where the first four like yeah, well
and Max was essentially a subsidy of HBO. So yeah,
it's it's been. Um, but it's been interesting to see that,
and I do think that this is the best chance
for us to get something that is true to whatever
the vision is for the creators of the band. I agree. Uh.

(18:54):
Something else I never would have expected ten years ago
would be that Prettily Scott would be a crazy old
man's grieving at the sky, as you so absolutely put
it earlier Jonathan Cloud. Yeah, yeah, because he's upset he
thinks that his movie, The Last Duel I didn't do

(19:15):
well because millennials are are two connected to their cell phones,
don't want to watch anything that they can't watch on
their cellphones, for instance, like his Blade Runner or Aliens
show that's going to be coming up on Hulu. Um.
But it's just it's I don't think that's the problem. No,
it doesn't ring true for me, because we've already seen
other movies perform well at the box office, and these

(19:39):
were movies that appealed to younger generations, including and you know,
I say younger generations with millennials. I mean millennials are
in their thirties and older. Now. Um, I'm just I
just having to be gen X. So I'm I'm of
a generation from before that. But you know, the this
this argument that millennials are so connected to air smartphones

(20:01):
that that's the only way they want to consume media
just doesn't ring true because we've seen box office hits already.
I mean, they're not nearly the levels that they were
pre pandemic, but we have seen movies succeed at the
box office, and clearly millennials were among the people who
are going to see them. So perhaps the more accurate

(20:21):
thing to say is that The Last Duel didn't strike
a chord with younger audiences and they just didn't turn
out to see the movie. For those who don't know,
The Last Duel is a movie that is about it's
it's based off a real thing that happened in history,
about the last trial by combat that was allowed in

(20:42):
France in the medieval period. And the movie has um
Adam Driver and then Matt Damon and Ben Afflack in mullets,
which is what turned me off from the movie because
like content wise and actorwise, it should have been right
up my alley. Um, but I honestly I couldn't. I
just can't. Look. I'm not saying that Matt Damon is

(21:02):
a bad actor, he's not. He's a great actor. I
cannot envision Matt Damon as a medieval French knight. It
just does not. It doesn't even come close. Adam Drivers stretch, yeah,
Ben Affleck, but he's barely like he's playing a supporting character.
So I mean, but Star Wars is space Shakespeare anyhow,

(21:24):
So Adam Driver I can get behind. Um. I know
I have some friends who are just tired of him,
but I think he he fits into that weird medieval
look for me. Um. It's really interesting because I know
you watch Hot Ones and so do I. UM, and
that did you watch the Matt Damon interview on Hot
Ones where he talked about how, um, slice of life

(21:46):
movies or situational movies are no longer what bring people
to the box office. So it's it's a it's a
content change. You want people want to go to the
to the movie theater to watch something that's big and
visually spectacular, um, but not necessarily something like cider House
Rules or you know, people hunting anymore. The way I

(22:08):
feel about is that there's still a place for those
kinds of stories too, It's just there's no reason necessarily
for them to go to the big screen, Like the
big screen has more and more become that you need
to see this here because it's a spectacle and you
just won't be able to replicate that at home, whereas
if it's a smaller, more intimate story, then you can

(22:31):
presumably watch it at home and still get a lot
out of it. Now, I get the directors have vision,
and they don't want that vision to be compromised, and
they don't want people to go and experience the film
in a way that they look at as being inferior
to what they intended. I totally understand that and respect that,
but it doesn't matter if that's not what the audience

(22:53):
wants to do. Right, the directors can want it as
hard as they wish. I wish for a gold Cadillac
doesn't mean I got one. So I just got a deal.
I don't know what you do with one anyhow, Jonathan,
other than selling sell it. You know how much gold
is worth. I mean, come on, a Cadillac of gold,
that'd be like billions. But it also billions of bullions.

(23:14):
I like that, I mean, but it also goes to
like the budget. So like I'm sure the last duel
was a super high budget movie. Um, and if you
release that on Netflix, you know, like a marriage story
or some of the other more more relatable stories that
come out on streaming as opposed to in the theater, um,

(23:34):
you're not gonna get the return on your investment. So
it is a it is a hard dance that producers
and investors and movie theaters are all having to play.
I understand his frustration, but I agree with you. I
don't feel I don't feel that it's streaming's fault necessarily.
I don't feel that it's I I feel like, you know,

(23:56):
maybe it would have done better on streaming. I feel
like it's probably partially the pain endemic's fault because things
are still all whack to do from that mm hmm.
So well. And also like it's not like it was
designed to be a big budget hack and slash film,
which not that I'm saying it should have been. I
don't think it should have been. I think that would

(24:16):
have cheapened the whole purpose of trying to tell this
true and compelling story if you turn it into you know,
a big sword in uh, you know, not sword and sorcery,
but you know, big sword fantasy battle type thing that
would have been a betrayal of the source material. So

(24:37):
it's not like I would want them to go that way.
But that's really the only way I would see people
looking at that and saying, oh, I need to go
see that in the theater. I just think, you know,
it's like people's tastes change, generational tastes change, and it
doesn't have anything to do with can I watch it
on my smartphone? I just feel like that was the
most off base comment. So yeah, So, I mean, I

(25:00):
guess he could still be mad at millennials for not
having interest in history. Um, come on, I think I
think also I think a lot of millennials, and I
think this is a totally valid point of view. Is there, Like, yeah,
you know what, I'm kind of tired of watching stories
about white guys disagreeing with each other. I don't really care,

(25:21):
Like I get that too, man. Yeah yeah, um, I
had a good segue, but we've since left it. So
I'm just going to go into our next story, which
is we might be getting his zero two point oh,
which this this is killing me, but please please explain
what zero two point oh is? Zero two point oh?

(25:43):
Um is going to be a story where Zoro is
a modern day hacker where he is actually an undocumented
hacker known as Z zero r R zero. Everything you do,
us said made me throw up in my mouth, like

(26:04):
eight times. I'm not jan yet. Well. Fighting back against
the secret government unit that attacked his mother, he discovers
a high tech conspiracy that threatens not only his family
but the world. So, um, does he leave just one
single upper case Z on every system that he in trates?
Maybe maybe he's he like actually physically hacks thinks he

(26:27):
breaks into mainframes, slashes wires, and then timeformation. I mean
I watched that, so I get I get the idea
like that. The article that that Aeriel linked to talks
about how, you know, movie studios have this tendency to
latch onto known intellectual properties, particularly known i p s

(26:50):
that are in the public domain so you don't have
to pay anybody to use them, and it's why we
occasionally get these resurgences of iconic characters like Robin Hood
or King Arthur or Zoro in this case, and that,
um that that's a large part of the reason why
these things will happen, because you start to ask yourself, well,

(27:12):
why would you even bother with the Zorrow, I p
this has no real connection with Zoro the character, right,
Like it's you could have just as easily, you could
have just as easily made this Robin Hood two point
out like there's no reason why it couldn't be. I mean,
I think I think it does. Though. That's the thing
is so Alex Rivera, who is the person who has

(27:33):
been signed on to direct him, maybe right this um
he's known for doing films about labor in immigration and politics,
and when you go back and you look at Zoro,
like even the Antonio Bandera's one, it deals with labor
in immigration in politics more than labor in politics side
of it, and the disparity between the uppercross and the

(27:54):
every man. And so that's that's what Zero is about,
and that's what this director does. And so I get
doing an undocumented Oscar deliver I get that, And that
sounds that that I can understand, except for the fact
that the synopsis doesn't really seem to give any implication

(28:15):
that that has anything to do with what the story
actually is. And maybe it's just because it's a bad synopsis, right,
Maybe the synopsis is not accurate in reflecting what the
movie is but it feels to me like this is
just generic little guy versus the machine, little guy versus
the system. Right, it's the little guy who has some
sort of hacking ability. V for Vendetta is the same story. Like,

(28:39):
that's that's the thing that's that's hitting me. Robin Hood,
you could argue, is very much similar in that because
it's all about the class division between the rich and
the poor. So again, like it could easily just as
be like robin Hood two point oh to me. Now,
if they do make this where it has closer ties
with the spirit of Zoro, may be, But like it's

(29:02):
hard for me to look at this as anything other
from a meta standpoint, as a kind of cynical grab
for a recognizable I p to exploit. I mean, I
get that. I also understand why they want Zoro and
so of robin Hood, because robin Hood probably would not
have immigration issues. I don't know, did you see the
Kevin Costner movie. I mean, there was like a lot
of subtexts going on there. I mean, it's been so

(29:26):
long and I've blocked most of it out. Um, But
the thing is, I do agree. It feels it feels
like they're trying to push too many things together. It
feels very sucker punch in that arena where it's like, Okay, Zoro,
You've got this this you know, political or socio message
you want to give, which is fine. You've got this
action adventure kind of fantasy piece that you want to give,

(29:48):
which is fine. And then you're also trying to make
it a sci fi and I feel like at least
the two, like the fantasy in the sci fi genre,
like the historical fantasy in the sci fi genres kind
of that's where I get hung up. Yeah, well, you know,
it's it's probably it's definitely unfair for me to judge
this before there's anything to really judge, right, Like, it

(30:10):
may turn out that when I see the first thanks till,
it may turn out that when I see the see
the first trailers for this, I end up saying, Wow,
I was totally wrong. This looks awesome. So I will
I will try and maintain a level of optimism and
look forward to this. In the meantime, we need to

(30:30):
look forward to our next segment, where we will talk
about a couple of other news stories that inspired the
mash up we're going to inflict, I mean, gift to
you our audience. All right, so back and the couple

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other news abems we wanted to talk about, is I
guess the first one is that Stephen Sondheim passed away
this past week, but he at the ripe old age
of ninety one. For those who are not big musical fans,
Sondheim was one of the pivotal uh lyricists and composers

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in American musical theater over the last half century, having
written stuff like he wrote content for another A funny
thing happened on the way to the Forum West Side
story Sweeney Todd Company into the woods. Um. You know,
tons and tons of very very important and very beloved

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musical theater pieces, a lot of which end up kind
of being a way of of looking at the human
condition with a in a pretty stark light m hm um.
And you know, he was ninety one. It's not that
anyone anyone expected him to live forever, but you know
it was still sad. Um. So everybody, not everybody, but

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many many people in New York. It like it almost
it gave me anxiety with how many people gathered in
Broadway to give him like an outdoor musical tribute. Goodbye. Um.
Which is very touching and probably just the first of
many that we will see dedicated to sand I mean,
there were multiple massive specials that were thrown on Sundive's birthday,

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where like the Kreme Delector of Musical Theater would gather together,
you would have multiple people who had played the same
role join on stage to duet together, like it was
a big, big deal. So I'm sure we're going to
see a lot more tributes for Stephen Sondeims. So that's
the sad side of our news that will inform our

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mash up. But there's another one that I mean, at
least for me, was news. I mean it is happy,
which is that Sony and Marvel are going to continue
to play nice they had mentioned the other day, but
specifically in continuing to have Tom Holland as Spider Man.
I know Jonathan and I bol said we'd like Miles Morales,
but Tom Holland makes a really good Spider Man, so

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I'm with multiverses. It doesn't have to be one or
the other. I'm excited to continue to see him play
the role. Yeah, and I think I think Tom Holland
was kind of playing it down a little bit because
there was the possibility that you know, No Way Home
was going to be the final on screen appearance of
that incarnation of Spider Man. But I also get the

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feeling that he genuinely loves playing that part. So I
my hope is that he still very much loves it,
that that's something he looks forward to, and that this
isn't a oh, I need to take this opportunity while
I'm still able to take it. I hope it's still
a I gotta take this opportunity because I love doing
it so much. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah. As

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as far as other crossovers for Spider Man into other
Sony films, UH, the only thing that the UH studio
exact would say is we all want to keep moving
making movies together. How's that for an answer? So not much,
not it's not, but that means that those two those
two things, those two news stories are what inspired Aerial

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to come up with what might be my favorite proposal
for a mashup. I'm not saying it's my best one.
I'm saying it might be my favorite suggestion for a
mashup we've ever had. Certainly not my best one, but
it's Spider Man meets Into the Woods. Into the Woods
is a story about the baker and the baker's wife
in a fairy tale world who want to have a
baby in Cinderella, who wants to have all of these

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fairy tale characters who want to have happy endings in
the which that kind of messes it up. And it's
a it's kind of a a better sweet story about
how sometimes the thing you think you want to get
it's not the thing that's actually going to make you happy. Um,
So be careful what you wish for, be careful what
you're willing to give up. Yeah. So, like the first
act is essentially a a fun send up of of

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fairy tales, and the second act is kind of a
deconstruction that that that examination of Okay, you got what
you wanted, now what and uh? And so you often
see the first act performed as one act in high
schools that don't want to tackle how dark the second
act can get. But but it's a it's an interesting

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show and it's one of Sondheim's probably best known. I mean,
the fact that Disney made an adaptation helped a lot
as far as people recognizing the work. Um, though Disney
also did kind of a butcher job on the on
the musical in my opinion. But yeah, now we have
our our spider man and Into the Woods mashups. And

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since mine is super long, I figure arial you should
go first, and then we'll take another quick break and
then uh, and then I will I'll warm up the
pipes for mine. Sounds good, all right, So mine is
called Spiders in the Sky, thank you. It's a spoofing
Giants in the Sky for people who are not familiar

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with Into the Woods, all right. A baker and his
wife ben in May lived in a fairytale land, but
despite it being a fairytale land, none of its inhabitants
were happy. And that was the same for the baker
and his wife. You see, they wanted a child, but
they had been plumb out of luck and getting their
bun in the oven. A nosy witch overheard their distress
and showed up, telling them it's her fault that they

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are cursed to not have a child, but that she
can fix it if they can bring her a cow
as white as milk, a cape as red as blood hair,
uh hair as Zilla's corn is maybe that's it, yes,
And a slipper as pure as gold, So the baker
and his wife set off to do that. However, what
they don't know is that upon getting all of these items,

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it would curse the giver because the witch was being
a big old spiteful any head. So off they set
with a spring in their step and a song on
their tongue to get their baby making ingredients. First, the cow.
They found a young dumb boy named Jack who had
such a cow. Now, Jack didn't want to give up
the cow, but they tricked him by trading some magic

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beans for it, and Jack begrudgingly parts with his bovine.
But that night, when Jack plants the beans, and then
the next morning when he wakes up and there's a
giant bean stock, he decides to climate because he's a
big dumb boy, and he turns into a big green
giant who smashes everything. Jack is now cursed. Next, I
find a young girl with a cape as red as blood.
She's on the way to her grandma's house. They take

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her cape from her, which is all kind of mean
and also difficult because the cape has his life of
its own. But finally they subdue it and leave the
little girl. Uh. Little Red gets so upset that her
cry opens a portal till the multiverse and she falls through.
Now a little Red is cursed and also stuck in
the multiverse. Next, they find a slipper of pure gold

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on a palace. They didn't know it belonged to Cinderella,
but hey, free slipper, so they take it. Unfortunately, since
the slipper was key to Cinderella's transformation, without it, she
turned into an iron woman, being locked into suit of armor,
so the Prince would not be able to see her face.
Now Cinderella is cursed. Uh. And lastly, so if you're following,

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that's the Hulk and Doctor Strange and Iron Man. Okay, Lastly,
they find an ear of corn from a passing old man.
They take it from him because they find out that
hair is not actually hair. I'm skipping some bits of
the into the Woods story, but that's fine. Anyhow, they
trade the hair for corn, and they feed the corn

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and the slipper and the cloak all to this cow
to get some magical milk or something to both give
the baker's wife a child and also give the witch
back her beauty and her youth. But little did they
know there were some magical spiders on the corn because
fairytale answer notorious for infestations. So when the baker's wife
drank it and finally her baby, her baby had spider powers.

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So now the baker's wife was also cursed. And if
you questioned that last one, don't because do you know
how hard it is to raise a child with spider powers. Anyhow,
they do it, and they name their child Peter. So
the inhabitants are more sad than ever and begin missing
their old lives, all except Peter, who loves the spider
powers and uses them to stop ogres and giants and

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saber tooth tiger guys and stuff to be a friendly
fairy tale spider hero. Then one day, when Peter is
a teenage boy like Jack was once before, he got
turned into a big, green, hulking thing. A girl, the
girl who fell into the multiverse now not so little Red,
pops up and says that she has seen how sad
everyone is and how to fix it. To return them

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to their old lives, they must combine their cursed powers
to defeat the witch, which will restore their timeline to
what it once was, bringing them all back to the
way they were before. So all the cursed inhabitants joined
their cursed powers together to do just that, all except Peter,
who doesn't want to change. So he slips through a
little red portal and finds himself in a new land
with giants in the sky skyscrapers, New York. He makes

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a life there for himself and finds that fighting normal
crime over a magical fairy crime is so much easier,
but high school high school is way harder. The end,
well done, thank you. I like, I was like, wow,
Jack's turned into the Jolly Green Giant, but no, it
was the Hulk. It was a I mean also the

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Jolly Green Giant. Yeah, it's a fairy tale Hulk. Some
pas in there too. Okay, Well, we're gonna take a
break and when we come back, I will I will
give you my mash up, and then I will spend
the rest of the time apologizing. Okay, ariel Um. My

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mash up is long, and I apologize for that. I
haven't actually tell it out yet, but I think it
is the longest one I've ever written. That it's called
It's of course to be fair. Uh and spoiler alert,
there are lyrics in this one. Lyrics can make a
document much longer because you know his short lines and
I got like one and half spacing and stuff. This

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is called Spider Man Turn Off the Woods. Peter Parker
has a problem. See everything gone done messed up because
Mysteria totally let the Spider cat out of the Spider
bag by revealing to the world that Peter Parker is
Spider Man. But beyond that, Parker is a world that's

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kind of like his own, but also kind of different.
Things don't work quite the way he remembers them, Like
j Jonah Jameson is there, and he's total the same
dude as appeared in a totally different Spider Man movie, y'all.
So Parker, desperate to escape a world where everyone is
after him, either because they have a grudge against Spider
Man or they want to help him in some way,

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rushes off to see Doctor Strange, and he convinces Strange
to use his mystical powers to reset the universe, you know,
give it a little reboot, so to speak, so that
Parker can maintain a secret identity and not bring danger
to himself and those he loves. Strange. Doctor Strange sympathetic

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to Parker and also really familiar with him because they
always go on press tours together. Agrees, So Strange says
to Peter, I can open up a portal to the verse.
The verse, asked Peter, like poetry or something. Well, you're
not far off, says Strange, but no verse is short
for multiverse. Trust me, it's gonna be all the rage

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in this phase. Peter nods like he understands what Strange
is saying. A warrent you, though, says Strange. We might
encounter some old foes as we do this. You have
to be prepared for anything when you go into the verse.
Strange then casts a spell and there's this weird humming noise,
and you get one of those cool portals with the

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orange border on it, and they jump through. And when
they do, they appear in downtown New York, and the
weirdest thing happens. People all around them stop in their tracks,
and then music from nowhere and everywhere strikes up, and
then the people start singing. Into the verse. We gotta go.

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We don't have Miles Morales though, into the verse. We
gotta go with Disney and with Sony into the verse.
Will make a change with our weird buddy, doctor Strange.
Into the verse and off the range into the verse
and without Wanda, into the verse with Sinators six, with
Uncle Ben, and with Jonah Jamison into the verse, into
the verse, into the verse, to the m c U

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and there's no way home. So Peter looks at Dr
Strange and he says, this ever happened to you before?
And Strange just kind of shrugs. He looks kind of baffled.
But before the two can even gather their thoughts, they
hear this huge explosion and they quickly run off to
find out what happened. And they turn a corner and
they see, emerging from a bank, a man with four

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giant robotic arms extending out of his back, each holding
a massive bag of cash, and he grins as he
leaves and bounds off down the street. Overhead, uh cackling
reveals the presence of a man dressed in weird green
armor writing on what looks like a hovering platform of
some sort, and then lightning strikes, except it's not just lightning,

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it's a person, and he's also coming out of the bank.
And yeah, Peter and Strange have stumbled upon members of
the Sinister Six and they are from other movie versions
of Spider Man two, and Strange looks at Peter, who
feels kind of weird, and soon Peter finds himself singing.
Now and then Uncle Ben said this same thing time

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and again. He always had the same advice. And you'll
hear it now twice, cause with great power comes RESPONSI
bill Att like you've never had before. You can beat
bone Saw in the no holds barred match. You can
trounce duck Uck without getting one scratch. And you can

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find out your best buddy is your enemy gnatch. And
I know things now, many valuable things that I hadn't
known before. When you cannot see, you must turn off
the dark. You must face the bad guys without Tony Stark,
but you'll get lots of new suits, each with its

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own trademark. Now I know at this hour that though
I have this great power, that I must not be dull.
I must be responsive bowl Strange says, yeah, yeah, this
is too weird even for me. I'm out call me
when you're out of the woods, Parker. And with that,

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Strange opens up this portal thinking and he vanishes. So
Peter rushes off into an alley and he quickly changes
into his Spider man costume, you know, the one for
this movie, which is at least slightly different from the
ones from the other movies, so that we can sell
more toys. And then he tries to catch up with
the fleeing villains, and catch up he does. He takes

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finds them taking up residents in a severely damaged skyscraper,
and Parker is amazed to see that is the former
Avengers and thus former Stark Tower. He quietly sneaks up
to see what is going on, and inside he sees
the Vulture and Mysterio and Sandman and dock Cock and
the Green Goblin and Electro and also the Lizard because

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this is the Sinister Six but it has seven members
in it, and music swells and the Vulture sings, Here's
to the Sinister Six. Everybody quake hodgepodge of rogues and
total dicks who don't get a fair shake. Hey, shouts Electro.

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That is from the wrong musical. Yeah, says Green Goblin.
We don't have the rights to that Sondheim show. Sorry,
says Vulture. I just figured I was in good a company,
and everyone everyone grows a vultures terrible terrible dad joke.
At least everyone who loves musical theater and gets the

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reference groans. Suddenly, the lizard perks up, turns his head
and stares right at Spider Man, who's hiding off behind
a window. And he hisses. And now all the bad
guys see spider Man there. Well, well, well, Peter says, Doc,
glad you could show up. We've been waiting. She's been waiting,

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she says Spider Man, And then he sees Sandman pulling
out a young woman from the shadows into the light,
a young woman Peter doesn't recognize at all. If you
even think about trying to stop us, I could promise
you your precious wind Stacy has seen the last of
her days, says dot Dock. Gwen, says Spider Man. Peter. Peter,

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run for it, yells Gwyn. But here's the thing. See this,
Peter Parker doesn't know a Gwinn Stacy, But that's toe's
who this is. Anyway, there's this weird orange glitch moment
where Peter apparently gets like a hint of his alternate
universe self and realizes that another Peter Parker in another
universe actually loved this woman. And before he can say anything,

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Saman says, I'm bored and shoves her out a window.
So Peter dives after her, falling from the top of
Stark Tower, and he uses his webbing to grab hold
of her, and then he grabs the side of the building,
but this stop makes Gwinn jerk in an unnatural way,
and horrified, Peter lowers himself to the ground with the
now limp young woman. Did I not catch her and

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rescue the girl? Why does she lay so still? I
am the hero who swings and who whirl. She really
can't be so chill agony that I let Stacy slip
when I thought I could catch her as my wrist

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webs went swip. Before he can continue, his spidy sense
tells him that the villains are descending upon him, and
then we get this massive fight between Spider Man and
the Sinister Six set to the music of You Two.
And then Toby McGuire's Spider Man shows up and he
starts to help out, and then Andrew Garfield's Spider Man
shows up and he starts to help out, and then

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Spider Ham shows up and he starts to help out.
Soon it's like the entire multiverse of Spider Man is there.
And they're all working together to stop the sinister six
plus one, and the fight is pretty spectacular, but it's
also kind of messy and overdone, the way Marvel movies
typically end. And then there's this tender moment where Toby
McGuire or maybe it was Andrew Garfield, anyway, they mourned

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the loss of Gwen Stacy. I can't remember which movie
she was in. But then Dr Strange shows up again. Hey, Peter,
I figured it out, like I totally turned my hand
countery clockwise when I should have done it clockwise. It
was my bad. Well, the various Peters all look at
Strange at the same time. Wow, it says Strange. That
is creepy. But then there's a flash of orange light

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and Peter is back in Times Square and no one
is singing or dancing, and everyone's miserable. I think I
fixed it, says Strange. So Peter hugs Doctor Strange because
you know, Peter is a hugging kind of guy, and
far off in the distance he hears someone saying something
a little strange A Peter on the roof sounds crazy, no,

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But here in a little village of Manhattan, you might say,
everyone of us is a Peter on the roof the end.
That was delightful, Ah, wonderful. Epic. Epic is the word
I would describe. I'm gonna keep looking, I'm gonna keep

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the play bill um and frame it. I tried to
throw as many little Easter eggs for both musical lovers
and spiderman lovers in there as I could, and by
that you mean all of them. And it was brilliant,
well done, my friend. I mean I mean, like, you
give me a musical, and I'm gonna have to write

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some parody songs. And the first, sadly, the first one
I thought of was the Ladies Who Lunch, which isn't
even from Into the Woods, It's from Company, but it's
the Sondheims song that immediately I was like, yours do
the Sinister six such a dumb was hilarious. I loved it,
And if you loved it as much as I did,

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you should write us and tell us. And if you
didn't keep it to yourself, yes, or you can write
us and give us your own version of a Spider
Man Sondheim Into the Woods mash up um, or tell
us about any of the things that you'd like to
talk about your opinions about things we have talked about.
We love hearing from you. Yes, you can. You can

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learn about a crazy Spider Man musical, you should definitely
research Spider Man Turn Off the Dark because the making

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of that and the behind the scenes drama is itself
more epic than any musical you could ever produce on stage.
That is true. That is true. Um. Also, if you
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geeks to geek out with. Yes, and uh yeah, like
keep those keep those suggestions coming. We've got some good
ones that we're going to be doing in upcoming episodes
that we have planned. But we love getting these and
remember picking stuff that's not inherently similar to each other,
that helps a lot. If it's two things that are
really kind of similar already, it's sort of hard to

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make a funny mash up, or even a mashup. I'm
not even going to argue that all of mine are funny.
Some of them are really not. You know, it goes
you can't all be winners. They can't all be winners. Yeah, well,
I guess that means it's time for us to wrap up.
So until next time, I'm Jonathan hob Goblin Strickland, and

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