The One Where Jonathan Used The Wrong Mic

First, Jonathan had the wrong mic selected when recording this episode and that's why he sounds like that. No, we don't like it either. But more importantly, Ariel and Jonathan have a ton of news to cover, plus a deep discussion about immersive theater. They talk of Disney closing down the Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser hotel, how the writers strike has affected the Tony awards, and more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
And hey, everybody, Welcome to the Larger or John Collider Podcast,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are
about them. I'm Ariel Casten, and with me, as always

(00:24):
is the easy breezy Jonathan Streeling.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm feeling a little anxious if you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh, well, then I guess you're not always easy breezy.
Why you a little anxious?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh, I'm merely I'm merely referencing a classic comedy movie
that sort of ties into one of the things we'll
talk about today.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ah, okay, it's me and me and my never getting
the references I really ought to get.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, I'm surprised you well, I didn't say it anywhere
close to the way it's said in the film. So
if I were to quote it or in line with
a character be a film, a little anxious if you
know what I mean? Gotcha?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah? Now I know, Now I know?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, yeah, now it's all come crashing back. Yeah. So,
Ariel and I we are recording this a night early
or earlier than when we typically do. We usually record
on Fridays. We are recording on a Thursday. I say
that because, as is always the case, I'm sure that

(01:28):
some sort of major entertainment news story will drop between
today and tomorrow that we would have covered had we
recorded on a Friday. But as it turns out, both
of us actually have conflicts tomorrow, So rather than go
another week with a missing or lost episode, we're recording
a little early.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yes, so fun, but that doesn't mean we have a
lack of things to talk about. In fact, we have
a lot to talk about, but most of it is
in our thirty seconds or less. We'll see if we
stick to that. I think we might.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
We won't. We already know we won't, but we put
a lot in there because a lot of the elements
for thirty seconds or less on initial glance, look like, oh,
we can just quickly go over this and move on.
But you know us, you know, if that music stops
playing and we're still talking, just give us, give us

(02:26):
a little.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Grace challenge, you accepted, Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Okay, Well, let's see how we do.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I know there's at least one thing where I initially
had like an add in, and I may not.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, we'll get started with thirty seconds or less, and
I have the first one. So here we go. First off,
the Hollywood Reporter has reported that Willem Dafoe has joined
the cast of Beetlejuice Too. There's that reference. The scuttle
butt is that Dafoe is going to be playing some
sort of ghost cup up or cop ghost or you know,

(03:03):
a dead law enforcement guy. So based on that, I'm
guessing he's trying to chase down the ghost with the
most you know. Just Too is already in production, and so,
assuming no rewrites are needed, should progress despite the writer's strike.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
We'll see. It depends on if they pick it. Ooh,
I've already failed. Okay. Anyhow, Next Lego has released a
new bat set, and by mean by that, I mean
they've released the bat Cave shadow bonds. So when it's
closed up, you see bits of the bat Cave with
a big like Batman logo in front, and when you
open it up, there's the entire bat Cave in there

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that you can play with with interactive knobs and a
little batmobile that has raising up little turrets and a
little fiery back end. It's four hundred dollars. It comes
out June eighth. It's almost four thousand pieces. And yes,
it will probably end up living at my house.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's crazy expensive. Okay, all right, we'll talk about that later.
One of the mini series currently on hold due to
the aforementioned writers strike is The Penguin, which is the
spinoff series from the Sparkly Vampire version of The Batman. Well,
the Penguin was already in production. Picketers were actually able
to convince other folks like teamsters to not cross picket lines,

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and the studio has put the whole production on hold.
No telling yet to what extent in a this delay
will have on the release, which is supposed to be
sometime in twenty eight four.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, if you're sad that The Penguin's not coming out,
that's okay. You can drown your tears by streaming D
and D on Paramount Plus. Yes, the actually very well
received D and D movie Honor among Thieves or D
and D hat recently dropped on Paramount Plus free to subscribers.
It's like ninety one percent critically fresh on Rotten Tomatoes

(04:50):
and ninety three percent audience fresh on Tomatoes. That's astounding
for a D and D movie. If you don't have
Paramount Plus, you and you've already used your free trial
and you don't want to debscribe. You can also rent
it on Google Play or YouTube for twenty bucks or
buy it on Amazon for like twenty five bucks. I
quite enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's interesting. I used to have a D and D
hat and it was also ninety one percent fresh. You
got Game of Thrones of my EXCaliber? Hey, you got
Excalibur stuck in my cal drogo. Say so, there's this
ten episode of quote unquote revisionist take on King Arthur
that's already wrapped production that will be coming to the
channel MGM plus, which used to be the channel Epics

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and I am so out of the loop on cable TV.
I had not heard of either of those anyway. It
looks like it's going to be violent and gritty, and
I'm guessing it's going to make some real choices with
Arthurian legend. Not sure when it's gonna be out though
it's already wrapped, so this is not something that's going
to be delayed. Just don't know when it's coming to screens.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Epics does have some stuff that I enjoy, but not
enough that I'll subscribe to it, Like there's a great
series from that I watch the first like seven episodes
of and haven't watched it anymore because I don't want
to buy the system the service right now. So Twister.
Are you old enough to remember the Twister movie from

(06:14):
nineteen ninety six, Probably most of our listeners are, but
if you aren't familiar with it, it was a movie
about people who went storm chasing for tornadoes. It was
pretty good. There was a ride at Universal Florida about
it for a while. I don't know if it's still there,
But now these many years later, we are getting a

(06:35):
sequel to it. It's not a direct sequel, it's more
of like a next installment in the franchise. But it's
about a storm chaser who got really scared by a
tornado by a close call and now works a desk
job and gets pulled back in. It stars Daisy Edgar Jones.
It also stars Anthony Ramos and a bunch of other

(06:57):
up and clumbing, up and coming cool people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, I just want to point out the Twister ride
closed in twenty fifteen, so Aeriel's even more out of
touch with the Universal Studios than I am with cable television.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah. Also, the sequel to Twister is called Twisters.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, not twister er, No.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Not twistered two more twisted.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean so many lost opportunities.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
All right, I'm done double feeling all the way, darn it.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, well, I'm going to go to do my next
one right now before we get completely off trail. So
we have mentioned in other episodes of Larger Drunk Latter
that the goofy comedy Twins, which cast Arnold Schwarzenegger and
Danny Dvido as the titular Twins, was supposed to get
a sequel called Triplets, but apparently that is no longer
the case, and a great to Schwartzenegger, it's all because

(07:53):
of Jason Rightman. Jason's father, I Evan Wrightman, directed the
Twins film, but sadly passed away last year. Anyway, according
to Arnold, Jason just didn't get Twins, So now the
project is really most sincerely dead.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's a shame. Because I met Danny DeVito's stunt double
in Las Vegas. I'm sure none of you guys have
heard this story from the many times I've talked about
it on this show, and that was one of the
things he said he was working on.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
He was excited about. Yeah, you had mentioned it, and
at one point I think, so, this was one of
those things I got on the cutting room floor. I
think you mentioned it and you weren't at the time
comfortable saying what the production was, and then I guessed
it and then I had to go back and edit
it out.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's completely accurate because at the time I didn't know
if it had been announced yet, like I hadn't, we
hadn't really seen anything about it. So yeah, yeah, fun times, Uh, Arnold.
Arnold's kind of be going Sorry, this is one of
those places we're going to take a slight detour. Arnold's
kind of like he went at Terminator too recently, saying like,

(08:59):
wellranchise isn't dead, but I'm done with it. He's on
a an actor's like honest opinion path.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It feels like, yeah, we also call those hissy fits.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, he's entitled to his opinion. And also like, I
didn't care for the last couple Terminator movies, so it's fine.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I don't think most people did.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, So like, I get it, I get it. I
can't superfault him anyhow. Something else that I thought was
gone and is not is Archer, but it will be
soon so it has now confirmed that season fourteen will
be its final season, and it is going to air

(09:48):
August thirtieth on FXX at ten pm and stream the
next day on Hulu. That's all I have to say
about it. Do you like how he said it real
slow so fit the thirty seconds?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah? No, that was great. Yeah. I learned about this
because Amber Nash tweeted about it. And I know Amber.
She's the voice of Ampoovie, but she also is a
performer at a theater I go to pretty frequently, and
so I just it was one of the few times
I was actually on Twitter. I was looking for any
responses to the tech stuff Twitter feed and just happened

(10:24):
to see that. I was like, oh, even though I
haven't watched Archer for like seven seasons, so I kind
of really got to catch up anyway. All right, here
we go. Due to lots of complicated legal reasons, the
Indiana Jones franchise has never been available in pull on
Disney Plus until May thirty first, that is when all

(10:44):
three Indiana Jones movies, plus a mistake that was made
much much later, plus the entire TV series where Indiana
Jones is young and in some episodes, less young and
played by a different actor. All of that is coming
to Disney Plus. So you whip in your Fedora on
a thirty first. Also, I will I will append one

(11:11):
other little thing. I know, I know we're violating this
left and right. I like you, But yeah, Young Indian
Jones is actually really great. That's a great series. And
there are two different young indies, Like there's a young
young Indie and then there's a slightly less young Indie
and it's for a while they alternated in episodes. But no,

(11:32):
the thing I was going to mention is that as
we're recording this, reviews are starting to come in for
Dial of Destiny, which was shown it can and it's
so funny to me that a lot of them are
are like just gushing about what a thrill ride this is,
and then there are others who are like this is
dumb and brain dead, and I'm just like, wow, there's
no middle ground. So I guess we'll just have to

(11:54):
wait and see.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting for sure. This next story.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
If you're a literary nerd, I think that this is
this a literary geek, This is for you across the
River and Into the Trees, which I think was the
last full length novel Hemingway published, is being turned into
a movie by Bleeker Street. It's stars Josh Hutcherson, Denny

(12:22):
Houston and Leaf Schreiber and Matilda de Angelis, and it's
about a World War two colonel who suffers from I'm
guessing PTSD and just his dealing with it and how
people take him around the countryside of Venice to try
to like cheer him up, is what I get from

(12:45):
the synopsis. But it's coming out. Bleeker Street has a
bunch of movies being directed by women. I think this
is one of them. So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah so yeah, Well that'll make
Simon de Rochefor of Polygon really happy. She is an
enormous Hemmingweight fan, so that's I hope she's listening. Okay,
Loki fans won't have to wait much longer for another
season featuring We Got a Mischief, because Season two of

(13:15):
Loki is scheduled to debut on October sixth of this year.
In addition, Echo, the spinoff from Hawkeye, will launched in
late November. Personally, I'm curious how Loki will try to
continue to set up Kang as the big bad for
the cycle of Marvel movies, and whether Echo will feature
a Candyo or two by the Devil of Hell's Kitchen.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh you're done. I just I expected so much more now, Okay,
that's my fault, not yours. Tell Tale Telltale, if you
remember did the Wolf among Us and Walking Dead Dead
and Tails from Portlands and Matten and a bunch of
other stories in like a narrative adventure games sort of style.

(14:01):
They shut down in twenty eighteen, and they've come back
together under new management or I guess ownership. But they've
got the Expanse, a Telltale series coming out. It comes
out this July on PlayStation, Xbox and PC and it's

(14:23):
forty bucks or forty five if you want some extra
DLC if you like the expansion. This is a great
way to continue living in that universe.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I'm glad to hear that they're back in making more stuff,
because it was very sad when that company went under,
because while I didn't always love all their games, I
appreciated what they were doing. You could argue that it
was kind of like a choose your own adventure in
the style of a point and click adventure. But I

(14:51):
didn't mind that. I thought it was cool.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, So Nick Cage is slated to blade Nick Cage again,
but this time it's not for a movie. It's not
for a television show or anything like that. It's for
a video game, namely the asynchronous multiplayer game Dead by Daylight,
which one player assumes the role of a supernatural killer
and everyone else is a victim, I'm sorry, survivor trying

(15:15):
to escape. Curiously, right now, we don't actually know if
Nicholas Cage is supposed to be a survivor or a killer,
but we should learn more on July fifth.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I have I have thoughts on that when we get
based on conversation with a good friend, when we get
to our actual discussion pieces.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Okay, because yeah, I kind of just love the idea
of Nicholas Cage being the killer and it's just him
like grabbing you and talking to you about his career.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Something else. I know, you love. Jonathan is Lord of
the Rings, and it looks like Amazon has made a
deal with Embracer Group to make a giant MMO game
of Lord of the Rings set Middle Earth. It's not
gonna be that's.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Will Smith Welcome, Welcome to Middle Earth.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's not going to be based off of Rings of Power,
no direct tie in, but it will be based off
of like the trilogy and the Hobbit and stuff like that.
So if you like momos and you like or the Rings,
and you want to play a Lord of the Ring momo,
keep an eye out for that.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, it's not the first time that they've tried to make,
you know, role playing style games off the Lord of
the Rings franchise. I mean, that's kind of seems like
a no brainer, but in my experience, only a few
of those have ever really been fun to play like,
and some of them are the more brainless action games
like The Shadows, Shadow of Mordor. Yeah, yeah, okay. Hulu

(16:49):
released a blink and you'll miss it teaser for Futurama,
which is having a revival. It launches on July twenty fourth,
so get ready to join the whole game. Bender Professor Farnsworth,
Leela Stitch, bry Lock Master Shake, I could be mixing
up my cartoons right now. I really don't have anything
else to say about it other than I hope it's

(17:09):
better than the last revival or maybe I mean the
revival before last, because I've lost track.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Things. I've lost track of Wow expansions. But now Wow
is getting a new server type based on like some
I guess some player add ins, and it's a heart.
They are hardcore servers, which means that there are certain
things you can't do, like you can only do a

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dungeon each dungeon once before you hit level sixty, you
can't use the auction house, you can't trade with other players,
and most importantly, if you die, you don't get resurrected.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I thought you were gonna say, if you die in
the game, you die for real.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I mean that would be truly hardcore. But it is
interesting because one of the things that I know many
of my friends got burnt out on was killing bears
in the snow, and so maybe with because if you died,
you just went back and you killed more bears on
the snow, maybe this will make it interesting for people
who had felt like they had conquered all of the

(18:17):
challenge of the game.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Excellent, And I was going to say finally, but then
I just went ahead and looked at our show lineup
and saw that once again, Ariel has sneaked in yet
another one at the very end, so see pen. Ultimately,
in the latest battle between the Disney Corporation and the
State of Florida, CEO Mobb Eiger announced that the company
is canceling plans to build an employee campus in Orlando.

(18:42):
It was to be a one billion dollar project to
house two thousand employees, and part of the plan was
to make a whole bunch of California based Disney employees
have to relocate Florida. So from what I understand, this
was not a really popular idea internally, So I'm sure
it's actually a relief to a lot of Disney employees
to hear this, while also kind of a smack in
the face to Florida.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, I know that this is a like me adding
one more story in here is kind of ruining the
flow that you built in our podcast. But that's okay,
and I apologize. There is a rumor there's an exclusive
that Hollywood Reporter put out yesterday saying that Eddie Murphy
is in negotiations to star as Inspector Cluso in a

(19:25):
reboot of Pink Panther to be directed by Sonic The
Hedgehogs Jeff Bowler and I think that's interesting. It's been
a while since we've done pink Panther movies and I
used to like that.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
We've had a few different clusos, like Peter Sellers being
the original, Steve Martin Steve Martin. There was one other
one too, who was It was very poorly received and
I cannot remember which actor it was who played him,
but it was another one as well. So, I mean,

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the whole shtick there is. It's a bumbling detective who
typically is extremely clumsy and stupid and yet somehow manages
to come out on top and mostly to the annoyance
of the French police who are assigned to work with him.

(20:22):
So it could be fun. It could also just be
a lot more cultural insensitivity. We'll have to see.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, we'll see. Hopefully they keep it up to date. Well,
that is all of our thirty seconds to us. I
think we did pretty good. We didn't do too bad.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
No, I mean, like we're only twenty minutes in, so
we've still got an hour for us to talk about
everything else. If we're going to stay on the track
of what we've been previously doing.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
And listen, that was well, that can't be right. Hold on,
that was eighteen stories, so yeah, a little over a
minute per it's not bad. And also like, also, yeah,
we're twenty minutes in and we could go to an
hour twenty or you know, we could actually have a

(21:09):
reasonably length episode. Let's see what happens. You guys can
put your bets in now for a plot, so.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
You'll know because you could just look at how long
the episode is. We'll put our bets in.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Now, I'll put yeah, okay, okay. So normally we talk
about what we've watched in the last weeks. You want
to do that, sure?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah. So last night last night, I had the opportunity
to watch something. So my wife is out of town,
and when she's out of town, I can watch stuff
that she normally wouldn't want to watch, and I'm not
feeling like I'm taking time away from family and all
that kind of stuff. So I decided to watch ant

(21:52):
Man and the Quantum of Solas or whatever that movie
is called. And because my wife has a massive phobia
of insects, she will not watch ant Man. She does
not like even the cartoonish ants in films like a
Bugs Life. So ant Man's right out. So I watched
it finally, and I finally understood why Ariel referred to

(22:17):
ant Man as her favorite Star Wars recent Star Wars film,
because as I was watching, I'm like, oh my gosh,
this feels like it's one of the Star Wars prequels.
It had more of a prequel feeling to me than
the most recent trilogy did. But yeah, it felt like
it felt like it could have fit right into the
Star Wars prequels from a stylistic perspective.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, Yeah, it had some things I liked. Overall, it
was a mediocre but enjoyable movie for me.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah. I will I will say, without giving any spoilers
because there may still be people out there who haven't
seen it yet who still want to see it, I
will say I feel like they are handling Kang very poorly.
Like not first of all, they're putting the Jonathan Major's
controversies aside for a moment because that's its own thing

(23:09):
that needs to be addressed. Uh. The actual story crafting
of Kang perplexes me because I'm not certain they're doing
a very good job to set him up as a
big threat for this cycle of Marvel, And I don't
want to go further into detail, because to do so

(23:31):
would require some spoilers. I'll just say that I feel
like there's there's it's a weird direction they're going in.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I agree. I do feel like though maybe the threat
of Kang, and this isn't super spoiler because they addressed
it in Loki, is the fact that there's a multiverse
of him, multitude like infinite numbers of him and so.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
But there there are at least a few of them of
him who have notably turned on the rest of him
because that's who he is, which suggests that there might
not be that many of Kang by the time we
get around to another Avengers movie.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I mean, I think I get the impression again from
Loki that there are more bad Kings than there are
anti Kings. And I know that when we were talking
about it earlier offline, you had said that like they

(24:34):
didn't defeat Danos like they defeated King and Loki, like
Thano's was a threat right up until the end, right.
But also Kevin Feige has said that Ken Fiesh darn
I look this up and I can't remember now, thank you,
has said that, like they realize they have to change
how how their stories conclude in the storylines and make

(24:58):
them more interesting and make them more diverse. So maybe
they thought that putting another unbeatable Thanos in there just
as like as a Dio s ex Macino was not
a great way to go for this next phase, and
they wanted to try something fresh.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's possible, but I think putting a very beatable villain
as your big bad is also not the best choice. Like,
there's got to be a happy medium between. Here's a
guy we've seen in various versions getting getting his his
his proverbial butt handed to him. But he's back again,

(25:42):
and he's really mad this time. Like I don't know,
I just I guess we'll see, Like there's still time,
and I have a feeling that a lot of stuff
is going to get addressed anyway, because, as we've been saying,
a lot of the more recent MCU movies have received
kind of a colder reception for this last couple of

(26:04):
like this last phase, and like then, we already know
there are people who are determined to hate the Marvels.
But I have a feeling that has more to do
with preconceived ideas and biases and less to do with
the movie. I mean, maybe the movie will turn out
to be terrible. I think it looks fun.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I think it looks really good too. I love Kamali Khan,
so I mean, I love them all, but I really
love the actress who plays Kamalikhon. She she brings her
to life in such a great way. Yeah. I also
watched a Marvel movie this past weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
This weekend? Time has no meaning to me This week
it's been very busy. I saw Guardians of the Galaxy three.
No spoilers because I know a bunch of people haven't
seen it yet. Even having yes, even having looked up
what happens in the movie, it was a good movie.
I'm glad I watched it. It had a lot of

(27:01):
wonderful Guardians of the Galaxy moments to love for the franchise.
Even knowing what happened, it was there were many parts
that were very difficult for me to watch, and I'm
glad I saw it, but I don't think it's one
that I will seek out to watch again. I love
watching Guardians of the Galaxy one and too, I've watched

(27:23):
them a few times, but this one, just despite its
goodness and despite all the fun bits. I don't want
to go through the bits that were not fun for
me again, right.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
There were some sequences that were harrowing that you would
rather not relive.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
And you know it's not as this is not a spoiler.
We know that the stories about Rockets past, right, and
a lot of the stuff dealing with his past was
difficult for me because I don't like animal endangerment and
that was the situation Rocket was in. So yeah, I

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don't think that's a spoiler. But it was still a
good movie and I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I watched the fact that Rockett has a whole lot
of metal parts on him, because that's you see that
in the character design of rock and Dracgoon tells you
that the that his past was a violent one, and
so having to sit through and actually see that, I'm
sure is is rough, like when I like. I so

(28:23):
haven't seen it, but I do know about that, and
I really wonder how that will affect younger audience members
I go see the film.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I told I told my good friend and sister
that this might be a little scary for her younger kids,
and that she should watch it first. That's what I
would suggest to parents with kids, who are you know,
under fourteen, I would say is watch it first and see. Yeah,
unlike the D and D movie, which I'm like, oh,

(28:54):
this is great. There's a couple of swear words, but
otherwise it's fantastic and you should watch it. And this
is just a level of scary and adult situations.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
But I will see this mostly fun.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, yes, it's mostly fun. While it is not necessary
to watch the Holiday the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday
Special first, I would recommend it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah. Yeah, I know. There's at least a character who
reappears in Graions of the Galaxy volume three who was
introduced in that holiday special. And plus there's a plot
or at least a character element that's also introduced in
that that I know is referenced in Guions of the

(29:40):
Galaxy volume three. And if you haven't seen the Holiday special,
you'll be like, well, that came out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, so there's that. Uh yeah, Now let's get back
into this beautiful flow you created in our episode, Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, so I had ended about my the thirty seconds
or less about Disney, because my first story is about Disney.
So the first story is that the Disney Galactic Star
Cruiser Hotel, which hasn't been opened that long, isn't going
to be opened much longer either. Word has now broken out.

(30:17):
Disney has announced that in September, the Galactic Star Cruiser
will be going on its final missions and then is
going to close. And in fact, people who had booked
a vacation that would have taken place after the closing
are now being contacted to see if they want to
rebook at a different time before other people are allowed

(30:40):
to make reservations. So for right now, as you're listening
to this, if you were thinking, oh shoot, I really
wanted to try that out, oh man, reservations are down.
Well they're down on purpose because they want to give
the folks who already had a booked vacation the chance
to rebook before they open up dates for the general public.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I'm so. I have friends who are sad about
this because they've been and they loved it, and in
fact they were going again and hopefully we'll be able
to get rescheduled. But I I'm sad about this because
I love the concept, but the price point, Like because
I larp, you know, and this is like a like

(31:21):
a LARP or an interactive murder mystery all weekend and
while I like, I still can't grasp how they would
handle it with so many people, even at one hundred rooms,
that's a lot of PCs to handle. Like, I love
the concept, and I'm I love that my friends who
have gone really enjoyed it. I just it was so expensive.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, No, I I love the idea. And my wife,
who like I wouldn't think of her as being the
world's biggest Star Wars fan, but she just loved this idea.
She really was curious about. She's a big Disney fan
and she does like really you know, intense and theming
like that's really cool to her. And we have gone

(32:04):
on actual Disney cruises together, and the Disney cruise ships
have phenomenal theming throughout them that it's really really nice
to walk through. So I think that was part of it.
But it is hard to justify the expense because you're
not actually going anywhere, right, you're in a hotel. You
do get to go to Hollywood Studios for one of

(32:25):
the days that you're there for part of your stay.
That's included in your stay, and you get all your
meals included, but it is as expensive I thought more
so than taking an actual cruise that takes you to
real world places.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yes, And the difference is that the Disney Galactic start
group it was like five thousand dollars for two days,
and you can spend five thousand dollars at an all
inclusive for an entire week, like a seven day vacation.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
The big the big difference there being obviously the Star
Cruiser is populated by people who are playing roles. Like
all the cast members you encounter, they're all playing parts.
So that's an added expense, right, because you're actually the
people you're interacting with. That's entertainment. It's not just staff.
They are populating a world. And I am all about

(33:16):
paying staff what they're worth. I'm all about making sure
that the cast is fairly compensated, especially if they're doing
something as intense as a fully immersive multi day experience
like That's that's asking a lot, So it's a lot
of work on. Yeah, Like Ariel and I we both

(33:36):
are Renaissance festival veterans, and that was you know, that
would be a full day of being in character and
interacting with people, but it ends like at six pm
you go backstage and you're done, you don't you don't
have to like have an evening shift or anything like that.
And so part of me is like I can understand

(33:57):
the expense in the sense that it isn't entertainment experience,
and you're also paying in order for that experience to exist,
right in order to pay for all the elements that
go into making that happen. And really it comes to
a reckoning of is are you getting the value for

(34:17):
your money? And if you're not, is there a way
of presenting it where you're not exploiting the cast members
and underpaying them or feeling making them feel unappreciated or
overworking them to death in order to deliver this experience.
It's a very thin line to walk, and I think

(34:38):
it just is a case where Disney made a bet,
the bet failed to pay off. There aren't There just
aren't enough curious Star Wars diehard fans who also happen
to have that kind of discretionary income where they can
sink that much money on the short vacation.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean, And like, I was talking with some of
our need diehard friends and they were like, yeah, especially
after pandemic, because costs of everything rose, and the first
thing that people cut out of their budget were like
luxury vacations, So it was just a really bad time
to launch as well.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, well it's it's sad to see because Disney has
had some really incredible immersive entertainment experiences and they have
always been beloved by the base, right the fan base

(35:35):
for those things, but they haven't lasted, right they And
this goes throughout like lots of different things. There are
a lot of different attractions that used to depend upon
a live cast member participating in the attraction as part
of the experience, and a lot of those have been
cut way back, the Jungle Cruise being one of the

(35:58):
few exceptions. But like you think of things like the
Great Movie Ride that used to be at Hollywood Studios
that depended upon cast members to deliver part of the
experience and that was taken away several years ago now.
And of course, Ariel was a fanatic of a specific

(36:18):
Disney entertainment venue that had almost a cult like following.
Would you like to talk about.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
That, Yeah, I have before The Adventures Club was a
part of Pleasure Island, which was full of nightclubs, and
back when I would go to Disney often enough to
hit the night clubs. I quite enjoyed it, and the
clubs were usually pretty full, but they dozed that to
do basically was downtown Disney now in the spring. Not sorry,

(36:51):
not even downtown Disney Springs. You're correct, And it's not
the Bordock. It's Disney Springs. That tells you how much
I've been there. Since then, I still enjoyed Disney, but
life reasons kept me from going back as often. But
Adventures Club was also interactive. It was you all play
characters for an evening of nineteen thirties adventuring like society,
and you go in and there are things on the

(37:12):
walls to talk to you, and puppets and the characters
that play with you, and it was wonderful. And I
know a lot of those actors have gone on to
do other immersive things at Disney. Galaxy's Edge is still
pretty immersive. The like The Rise of the Resistance does
still require the people who help run the ride right

(37:35):
to make it an experience and a lot of and
you know, both at like the Marvel Campus and at
galaxies Edge, they've worked hard to make sure not everybody
does it, but worked hard to make sure that like
the people who are selling you drinks, and the people
who are serving you food, and the people who are
picking up trash all have stories as to what planet
they're from, why they're here, so that it is more immersive.

(37:56):
So like there, it is still there. I'm not going
to get into everything about like union actors or just
non union. I don't think it's my place to even
talk about it. With Disney stuff, so I should I
probably shouldn't even know in some cases, but Adventures Club
was wonderful and it closed, and I'm very sad because
I would go there all the time. It was just

(38:17):
it was it was an air conditioned able to drink
way from me to enjoy Renaissance Festival without having to
shop at stores.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah. Well, it's that sort of interactive theater, like if
you've ever been to any kind of theatrical event where
there's audience participation, you know, not necessarily being called up
on stage and then you're the butt of a joke,
but rather like things like sing along screenings of movies

(38:51):
that kind of stuff. It's where you are part of
a crowd, you are also all engaged in this activity.
You're being entertained, you're also participating it builds a sense
of community. It's a special sort of thing when you
get to do one of those experiences. And you know, Disney,
when they started creating the parks in the first place,

(39:12):
Walt Disney's plan was to try and create environments where
it felt like you were being pulled into like a
Disney movie or a Disney series, right, Like that was
the whole concept was you are entering into this and
you are now part of this ongoing story. And that's
what makes those those kinds of shows and attractions really

(39:34):
special to me because they seem to really tap into
that spirit. But they are admittedly very challenging to keep going,
like they are expensive to run, they may be limited
in how they generate revenue. They require a lot of
buy in and participation from the cast, and if the

(39:56):
cast isn't up to it, it's not going to be
a good experience. So it's it's a tough thing to
get right. But if you do get it right, I
think it brings value beyond the money it brings in right,
because that's what gets people like you Ariel absolutely hooked.
And I mean you're going to come back whenever you
possibly can, because it's such a rewarding experience, and.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I'm going to buy a bazillion drinks and snacks and
things like that. Yeah, Adventures Club was my dream job.
I even auditioned, well, now, I auditioned for Finding Nemo
the musical, but I was hoping that they'd cheeharm me
into the Adventures Club. I will say this is a
random thought going back to the Star Cruiser, even though
it's only two days. Like, I know that when I

(40:41):
have run LARPs, because when you run a larp, you
do it from like game on, Like you usually get
to site early, you set up game on is usually
around like nine am, you go to bed around like
three in the morning when the players are all done,
and you get up early the next morning to run
stuff for the early risers. And it's a lot, so
I also understand. And as a player, even after like

(41:04):
a weekend, you're like, oh, I'm so tired. So you
probably wouldn't want more than two or three days as
fun of his experience as it is because you just
be exhausted.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well yeah, because this isn't this isn't really a Star
Wars themed hotel, right, it's more than that because you're
not expected to leave that hotel at all during that
except for the one excursion to Batu you do for
Hollywood studios. Other than that, you're there and you're doing activities,

(41:35):
and you know, it's up to you how much you
want to participate in, how much you want to do.
But it's not like you're going out to lounge at
the pool or anything. You are part of this immersive
experience and so it's not the same thing as lounging
around a resort or even you know, getting up early
and heading out to the parks, and the only time

(41:57):
you ever see your hotel room is when you come
back to crash. It's different from that. So I think
that's another part of it, is that a lot of
people just didn't have their minds wrapped around what this was.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, although you could lounge and I bet there is
a pool that I bet there is a pool there somewhere,
I bet, But why would you want you if you
spend that much money to be part of a story?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, I mean unless there are jawas in the pool,
because those guys they could party.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, But you know what, I bet Disney has learned
from this and next they're going to open up a
hunted Mansion Hotel at least one hundred rooms.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
You're joking, but you know, you know I would be
like on the phone on hold trying to reserve a
room if that were true.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I know a bunch of people who would be if
it had a lower price point than Galactic Starkers, or
I know a bunch of people who wanted to do
the Galactic Starkers are just couldn't afford it. So it
depends on how expensive you'r hunted B and B state
would be. No, I wasn't joking. I completely believe that
they might do that. There are no rumors. That's just

(43:05):
me spitballing Disney.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
If you do it, yeah, throw her a little kickback.
But no, what Ariel was attempting to do was segue
to our next story. It's just she did so in
a way where I was like, shut up, that is
the best idea.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I know, though, right Well, I wouldn't say there because
I'm a scary, scaredy cat. But yes, so yeah, Haunted
Mansion has a new trailer out and it's pretty cute.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah. Actually there's bits of it that are kind of intense.
Uh not like I think you know kids who are
like ten or over should be able to handle it
just fine. Like it looks to me like the kind
of stuff I saw when I was a kid, and
I enjoyed it, even the bits that were a little
little spooky scary. But yeah, I actually I dug the trailer.

(43:51):
I really liked the sequence they chose for the very
end of the trailer, which involves two characters describing a
spirit to a police sketch artist, and it ends up
looking exactly like one of the concept art pieces that
that was the inspiration for the Haunted Mansion attraction.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, I agree, like it looks pretty cute. That's because
they balanced cute and fun bits with the scary bits.
It also looked pretty scary to me. I will agree
that there are moments that were intense that would probably
still scare me personally as an adult, but like the
human interaction bits were delightful. So I hope the overall

(44:33):
movie has as good of a balance sane.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I think I'm hoping that it will be a surprise
delight the same way the very first Pirates of the
Caribbean movie was. And obviously it's a lot of the
same team that worked on Pirates that worked on this movie,
but you never know, Like I still haven't watched the
Jungle Cruise movie. I just can never work up the

(44:59):
motivation to actually push play on the darn thing. So
I'm hoping that's not gonna be my reaction when we
get closer to Hanted Mansion hitting theaters.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I was about to say, my guess is that you're
going to see the theater. But like, you like scary stuff,
so the Haunted Mansion is more your bag anyhow.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, but like Hannam Mansions, like that's not real scary scary,
that's like kitty scary.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's true. I forgot how interactive the line into the
Haunted Mansion is.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well, and they've added to it right because originally, way
back in the day, you would walk through the line
this at disney World, not this different from Disneyland, but
at Disney World you would walk through the line and
there'd be a little cemetery and you can read some
amusing epitaphs on the grapestones, and that was about it.
But then several years ago they added a whole bunch

(45:49):
of other stuff, including like interactive elements that if you
if you touch them, they play sounds and that kind
of thing or they scort you with water.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, I hadn't ever seen those before. Like I went
to Magic Kingdom for the first time in years and
years and years last year with some family that's and
yeah that was that was a fun treat for me
because I didn't know they had done that.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Another fun treat for me. Are you ready to segue
on yep? Is that doctor who has dropped a new
trailer with the titles for all of their specials, the
titles whatever, but just the content of each episode, the
little click they give us each episode looks super fun
to me, and I am really into it.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I'll tell you what I'm really into. I'm really into
Neil Patrick Harris's villain character.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah. I think that's like the third special, So like
you're gonna have to watch two specials to get to him.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Or I can just watch one out of context and
just enjoy.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
It that I guess. I guess you can do that. Actually,
these special go ahead.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Oh I was just gonna say, he looks he made
me think of like if you were to take a
you know, like the classic image of the stage magician
and combine it with the Master of Ceremonies from cabaret.
That's what you would get.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
That's exactly accurate. I will say that this trailer. I
haven't finished up Jody Whittaker's seasons. Yeah, I've talked about
my opinions of her, my positive opinions of her as
a doctor versus some of the writing for her doctor.
But I now now the completionist in me wants to

(47:37):
catch up before these specials drop. I'm gonna I'm gonna
have to be quick. Thank you. I have HBO and
I can do that.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
They look good like it's it looks like it's it's
really well made. And uh, you know, I am I
fell up. I was never the biggest Doctor Who fan anyway,
I tried and then eventually just my motivation ran out
for that entirely. And I haven't really watched anything beyond
the first couple of Matt Smith episodes, so I am

(48:07):
generations behind at this point. But U but these did
look like they're they're well made, and they look entertaining
and and also exciting.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah yeah, and also like Donna Noble is my favorite companion.
I know I'm not in the majority there, but I
absolutely loved her in the fact that she's going to
be back. I'm super interested to see what they're going
to do with all of it, especially the second special
episode redacted.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
My favorite companion was Nebula.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
That's that's old school or are you talking about Guardians
of the Galaxy again?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I was talking about Guardians of the Galaxy because Karen
Gillen blamed Nebula and she was, oh Doctor Who.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
She's nod She's very few people's favorite companion, Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I know, but I was making a joke.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
She's a wonderful actress. I actually I enjoyed her and
Doctor Who, and I liked Amy Pond and I've even
cause played Amy Pond. But really, Karen Gillan took off
for me as an actress after that, like Jimonji and
Guardians at the Galaxy. She's just really.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Like I I.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Appreciate her so much more now than I did back then,
no fault of her own. You know, you like nph's
magician cabaret guy, and yeah, maybe he can just go
over and do what he did for Doctor Who at
the Tony's and that way it doesn't have to be scripted.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah. So there was because of the writer strike here
in the United States, there was a real concern that
this might mean that the Tonys would not be able
to go on, partly because you know, there are writers
who write these shows, Like they write the jokes, they
write the lead ins that people say when they're presenting awards.

(49:59):
The only thing that's not written down besides like, you know,
maybe an off the cuff joke someone makes without running
it by anyone first are the acceptance speeches. Everything else
is written. Well, you can't do that during a strike.
You're not allowed to. And then there was also the
additional possibility that writers might picket the event, and if

(50:20):
they did that, then people who work behind the scenes,
like all the people who run the cameras or run
the lights or things like that, they might choose not
to cross a picket line, which would mean the Tonies
would not like, they could still happen, but they wouldn't
be televised.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah, so originally they were like, well, we could do
on because originally the Tonys asked for a waiver from
the Writers Guild, because the Writer's Guild and the guild
that oversees Broadway actors and stuff are not the same.
But the WGA said, no, we're not going to give
you a waiver. So they're like, well, we could do
an unscripted televised or we could do an untelevised event,

(51:02):
but they're going to televise. WGA is not striking or
not picketing the show. So I don't think this is
the first time we've had an untelevised tone or an
unscripted tonies because I think it happened during the last
writers strike as well, but I'm not certain, so don't
quote me on that. But buckle up, guys, because sag

(51:26):
Aftra just sent out the vote to whether they are
willing to strike or not when the contract is up
in June, so I don't have the results of that.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Okay, got it, But yeah, I would say, And of
course the directors guild their their contracts also up in June, so.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I don't follow that as much because I'm not a director.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
But yeah, but a lot of the planets are aligning
right now and for lots of reasons, and most of
them come down to student videos have traditionally, studios have
nearly all the power in those relationships until you get
to a point where people can collectively bargain and force

(52:13):
change that so that way, the rising tide will lift
all boats, because obviously you're always going to have a
few standouts who are like the superstars in their field.
They're not necessarily the most talented, but they are the
most sought after. They're looked at as box office draws,
and they get enormous deals, like crazy deals that sound

(52:33):
like you won the lottery, right, But that's the exception.
That's like the top point five percent, and everybody else
is at a very different level. And it's only through
this collective bargaining that they're able to secure the compensation
and the benefits and the consideration that they need in
order to do what they do.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, there are
actors out there who has worked twenty years in the field,
had lead roles in feature films and never have gotten
paid above scale. Yeah, which scale? I if you think
on it, like the per day amount for scale is
a decent amount of pay. You're going through a lot though,

(53:17):
that's it's a long day and there's a lot of
work and there's a lot of stuff you might may
or may not be put through on your day on set. However,
like it's it's not enough to make you rich. No,
unless you're working every day of every month.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Right exactly. I was about to say, like, you know,
these productions, not every film is like a you know,
one hundred and twenty day long shoot or whatever. It's
not all like a Stanley Kubrick production. Some movies, you know,
they get shot in a month and a half and
then they wrap, and if you are working during that
month and a half, it's great for that month and

(53:55):
a half, but once it's over, you need to line
something else up or else you are having to figure
out how to keep your your money to stretch so
that you can continue to make ends meet while you
land your next gig. Like that's the reality of the business,
whether you're a writer or an actor. Less so for directors,
but still, I mean, especially for like independent directors, it's
a case.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
But like writers and actors are largely pushing for better
residuals and also just better wages, right, Like they want
living wages because these contracts are long, and they a
lot of writers, especially with micro rooms and the way

(54:35):
that writers are kind of being hired now to fix
up other people's scripts, which is not to script doctor,
which is not like that's not a new concept, right,
but it's happening more and more, and that's a different
case scale from from my understanding. And so like a
lot of these people aren't even living like a middle
class life. They their income.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
They're a Hollywood right out there who are living the
more typical La lifestyle, which means they're they're renting a
place with several other people, they've got roommates right like,
It's it's not like everyone's got that house on in
the hills where they look out over Hollywood and the
shooting star goes overhead and all that. That's again, that's

(55:20):
the exception, not the rule. So so again solidarity with
the writers. We love Broadway, we love theater. So we're
glad to see that the Tony's are still going on.
No telling what that show's going to be like without writers.
Here's hope, and it's okay, we're not going to get

(55:40):
a big opening number like the ones that Neil Patrick Harris.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Used to do that said I'll still watch because Shucked
talked about it on the show before is nominated in
Somebody in that you all know that by now, And
thank you Jonathan for raining me in. I was about
to go into all of the background costs that people
don't factor into an actor's life, and that's a different
topic for different day.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah, maybe we'll do a discussion episode on a day
when we actually don't have that much news. We keep
thinking that's going to happen, and yet it doesn't. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So there were a couple of things that are in
our actual discussion pieces that I feel like could have
gone into thirty seconds or less and went into our
discussion pieces when I thought it was going to be
a short episode, such as we're getting a four part
Tim Burton docuseries on his movie process.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
So I'm surprised you didn't reference this documentary about how
Tim Burton became a famous sad boy. Yeah. Yeah, or
the day that Tim Burton discovered curly cues or swear
leave swirls because they keep showing up in his movies.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I wasn't clever. I just put it down as ever
wondered how Tim Burton got so burtany. Yeah, but you're right,
I should have put him in my sad Voyd Glearing
in the Corner Club.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, I mean, like obviously.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
To John Snow and Ed Grellan.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Poe Poe Snow and Burton. Uh yeah, Tim Burton. Obviously
he's written, he's rather he's directed movies that don't fall
into the like outcast, gloomy kind of goth aesthetic approach.
You know, he's he's famous for those because of things

(57:23):
like Edwards's Her Hands and Beetlejuice and even Batman. But
he's done other stuff too. But yeah, I think I
think a lot of for a lot of people. When
you hear the name Tim Burton, you're thinking of a
specific kind of aesthetic, the kind of thing you saw
in the Wednesday series or in Beetle Juice.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah. I hope they focus a lot on Wednesday and Beetlejuice,
although I'm I'm personally going to be disappointed if they
don't have an entire one of four one of the
four parts devoted to Superman lives.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Wow, all right, well wait did he do Superman?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I know he was going he was supposed to direct it.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Right, and Nicholas Cage was going to play Superman.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Yeah, And then I mean, and there's already a document
documentary about it with Silent Bob. Yeah. Yeah, so there's
already a documentary about it. But if they don't reference
it at least once, I'm going to be sad.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah. Well, next up, we got a trailer for a
science fiction film called The Creator, which I told, oh,
I'm sorry, I skipped the mission. Well we could go
we can circle back to the mission impossible.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
No, it's fine, Yes, the Creator, go to the Creator.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I accidentally skipped a line in our excel sheet. So yeah,
we're we've got We've got a trailer for the Creator,
as well as a trailer for Mission Ipossible, which we'll
talk about in a second. But the trailer for The
Creator that prompted me to call it, what was it
children of robots because it made me think of children
of men. Yes, yeah, there's something else I called it too,
but I can't remember what it was.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I don't remember. I'd have to look it up.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
It's not that important. It probably wasn't that funny.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
You got Wait, they our listeners don't want to sit
and listen while I look up an old comment and
g chat with you forever, Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I don't understand if it was if it was a
really good one, baby, But no, I just I just
called it children or robots. Now I didn't. I did
not have a different alternative title. Besides that, because I
just found it.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Gotcha, gotcha? Yeah. I actually I shared this with a
different friend group because they like science fiction things, and
everybody was really divisive. Some people were like, this looks
like it could be fun, and other people like this
looks so dumb and boring and same hat. It appealed

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to me, Like there have been a lot of other
AI stories coming out recently, or trailers coming out and
things like that, other than Missus Davis, I think this
one appeals to me the most of all of like
the AI centric stories we've been talking about lately, And
I don't know, maybe it's just the aesthetic of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I like it does feel very derivative of a
lot of different things, because, like the basic premise is,
we created AI, it got out of hand. It it
became sentient and began to rebel against humans. So, which

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is following down the Terminator storyline, right, like that's the Terminator,
and then humans start to fight back and they're trying
to figure out a way to stop the robots, which
again still Terminator. But then there's a twist in that
the major weapon, apparently based on the trailer, the major
weapon that they need is actually a young Android Boy,

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and that starts to like, like, you start to see
a lot of of science fiction tropes kind of fall
in line to create this particular story. Doesn't mean that
the story is going to be bad. It just I
can see why some people are saying it feels familiar
because it is tapping into a lot of themes and

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stories that other movies have already kind of explored. But
this may still be a really good one. The trailer
didn't super grab me, but again, that doesn't necessarily mean
the movie's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I thought the performances in the trailers were nice, and
there were a couple of moments that I really liked.
I'll probably watch it if I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Do find the design of the androids to have a
hole in their head to be really distracting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I like it. I think it's cool. So yeah, Mission Impossible.
There's part one of a new one is also coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, yeah, listen. The Mission Impossible movies are well crafted
action films that almost all of them have the exact
same storyline, which is, ah, shoot, the people who are
supposed to be on our side are really the bad guys.
Spoiler alert for every Mission Impossible movie. Like, like, I

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think there might be just one mission impossible movie where
the villain doesn't turn out to be a different like
agency in the United States, And part of me thinks
that the reason for that is very cynical because it's
a way to sell the movie overseas, because if you
don't make the bad guy some other nation or something,

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then you don't have to worry about offending anyone when
you're trying to sell your movie in like China.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I also feel like if you if you don't make
it so there's a fine line, right because like if
you are trying to make a political statement like DC
and Marvel, for instance, Marvel with Black Panther can make
some great statements about society and culture and things like
that and do it in a way that is really

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accessible and digestible. DC is really bad at that. I think,
like the Black Adam storyline, that it just it didn't work.
So you can make your bad guy a not existing
country and make it work. But yeah, if you make
it an existing country, then that's not really fair to

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the majority of the population there, So.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I mean no, But the flip side of that, as
you're saying over and over again that your own nation
is so corrupt, that all of its agencies are turning
on each other over Like, that's not a good story either, right,
Like you're I don't know, man, Like maybe it's maybe.
Ultimately the thing you have to walk away from from

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the Mission Impossible series is that the Mission Impossible group
themselves they're really the bad guys. Yeah. There's all these
differ movies where they're the heroes, but they're actually the
bad guys because everybody else is always trying to stop them.
And by everybody else, I mean everybody else in the
United States.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, I mean this one. The trailer looks fun and exciting.
I just can't tell it. And I've watched the Mischoot
Impossible movies, and I like action movies, and they're fine,
but they're they're nondescript to me, like you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Said they yeah, they like I said, Yes, I have
not watched all of them. I've seen I know, I've
seen the first two, and then I saw the one
where Henry Cavill loads up his arms.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I okay, the one with the must in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
It's yeah, it's in the bathroom fight scene. He does
this thing where he he's got his arm like he's
putting his fists up like he's about to do Queen
of Marksbury rules boxing, and then he does a boom
boom with his fists where everyone calls him cocking his
arms to get ready for his I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Didn't watch that Mission Impossible. I watched Justice League instead,
where they had to see Gi his face because he
couldn't take off his Mission Impossible mustache for the reshoots.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah, he had to have a digitally enhanced upper.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Lip, which did not work at least fifty percent of
a time. Timple degrees with me. Now, like they could
make individuals or AI bad guys in Mission Impossible just
to shake it up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Okay, but someone's going to make the AI, and you
know it's going to be some other agency in the
United States. That's my problem.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Cool. Well, let's go from large scale corruption to individual
corruption with our next trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
So next up, we got a trailer for a series
called Based on a True Story, which is a seri.
Kaylee Cuoco's in it. It's a series that's about a couple.
The wife of the couple is absolutely obsessed with true
crime podcasts, and then the couple end up deciding that

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they they figured they think they figured out who a
serial killer is, and they want to get the serial
killer to join them to make a true crime podcast
because they figure that has never been done before, and
it'll mean their podcast will become a spectacular success and
that will guarantee them financial security and make them famous

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and all this other kind of stuff. And I thought
the trailer was amusing and entertaining, and as someone who
has worked in podcasting for fifteen years, it also abused
me because I have thoughts and opinions about the whole
true crime genre.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yeah, yeah, agree. When the trailer first started off as like,
is this gonna be is this going to be over
the line, because like there's some movies like this where
it's like on the line of like is it too
crass for me to really enjoy? I was worried this
might be it. But as the trailer went on, I
thought it actually looked charming at points and fun at points,
which is surprising because it's by the creatives for both

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The Boys and Ozarks worked on it, and those are
both horribly depressing and shocking properties.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
So really super dark.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Yeah, but this didn't look as dark. It had some
at least the trailer had some delightful moments.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah, I agree, I probably will check it out. One thing,
I'm not sure I'm going to check out, And I'm
very disappointed that it's no longer the last item in
our discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Well we can make it the last item.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yeah, well, just because traditionally we end with a horror
movie trailer, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
The trailer after that might be a horror movie too, So.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Well, let's just stick with what we've got, which is
that we got a trailer or really a teaser for
the Five Nights at Freddie film, which is funny because
Nicholas Cage already made a movie that was essentially a
Five Nights at Freddy's rip off, so there really isn't
any need to do an actual Five Nights at Freddy's movie,
but we're getting one anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
But you didn't like the Nicholas Cage one, some of
our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Did, It's okay. I also don't like this teaser, so
it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
So this this teaser kind of starts off with Josh Hutcherson,
who we talked about earlier as being in the Ernest
Hemingway movie, and whenever people reference what he's from, it's
never from detention which I thought was on or sometimes
it's Hunger Games, but it's never from Detention, which was
a movie I think that he wrote and directed and
started that was ridiculous, time travel noir, fun, not super

(01:08:50):
high budget, but you should check it like it's it's fun.
It's a dumb fun movie. My favorite thing he's done. Anyhow,
this trailer actually kind of scary to me, whereas, like,
I know, the video game would scare me at points
because it's all it's all about jump scares, right, that's
the entire point of the game. Of the video games.

(01:09:10):
This trailer probably will have jump scares, but it also
looks like they're throwing in some Saw type elements and
that's scary to me. No, but I had some conversations
with some friends who are like, Okay, the stars Josh Hutcherson,
does it star Josh Hutcherson the same way that Saw
Stars carry Elwis And I'm quoting my friend directly that
stars Saw Stars carry Elwis or Screams Stars Drew Barrymore.

(01:09:37):
And if they do that, I think it'll be a
horrible shame.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Well, it all depends on they have to have a protagonist,
because otherwise what who do you terrorize? Right, You've got
to have somebody who is in the role of being
terrorized by this. So the game series, if you're not
familiar with it, is that you take on the part
of a Usually it's like either a and It's person
or a security personnel. It depends on which of the

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entries we're talking about, because there's several gains in the
Five Nights at Freddy's series, but they're all based on
a similar premise, which is that you're at this Chuck
E Cheese style entertainment place for kids. You are there
to have an overnight shift. The animatronics actually have minds
of their own. They are also psychotic and murderous, and

(01:10:28):
so you're trying to get through the night and survive
by using different little techniques to lure the animatronics away
from you and to prevent them from getting to you.
And that's the whole thing of the game, And like
Ariel was saying, it's really all about trying to do
your best to avoid the jump scare, which represents you

(01:10:49):
your character dying. But really the scary part is just
that you've got an unexpected fright. So the movie needs
to do more than that or else it's going to
be a pretty lame experience.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, but that made me wonder if Nick Cage in
the Dead by Daylight video game will also be the
same like Drew Barrymore Stars and Scream sort of a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Well, I mean the Nick Cage one, Like, he doesn't
say anything in that movie. He doesn't have an I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Met in the video game. I met the video game.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Oh, Dead by Daylight?

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Right, Yes, that's what I say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I think. I think he's gonna be either. I mean
he's likely going to be either a survivor, which means
he'll have some lines that he'll say as he runs
around and as you as you control him to try
and escape a killer, or he'll be the killer, in
which case he'll have weird lines as he's stalking everybody.
If if he's a survivor, I sure hope they let
they let you do it where all the people playing

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survivors can all be Nicholas Cage. Can you imagine playing
like like like like Jason trying to chase down four
different Nicholas Cages.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
That's that's that thought broke my brain. Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
You'd have to call it Nicholas uncaged I am.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I appreciate Nicholas Cage. I don't appreciate everything he does.
He's done a lot of movies that just are not
my cup of tea, but I appreciate how much he
and he throws himself into all his characters.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Commits.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yeah, yeah, he really commits to his characters.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
So the last trailer we're going to talk about might
be a nightmare to some people. It's about theater Camp.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Yes, we got a trailer. We got a trailer for
the film Theater Camp. It is actually based off a
short film that came out a few years ago, and
Ben Platt was part of it back then. He's part
of it now. And as you might imagine, it's a
film about a theater camp where a bunch of geeky

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kids get together. Who are They're all like theater nerds,
and they're all there to learn theater stuff off. And
it has elements of the old eighties cliche of let's
put on a show and save the camp. Like that's
part of the plot. But I had to read up
on what was actually going on because the trailer, like

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you get little bits of what's going on, but you
don't get like the backstory, and the backstory is that
there's a woman who runs this theater camp. She goes
into a coma apparently, and her son, who is like
this frat boy bro type tech bro kind of guy,

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is then put in charge of being the administrator for
the theater camp. And meanwhile, the counselors the theater, the
grown up theater kids who are just as geeky as
Ben Platt being one of them, are trying their best
to try and make sure that the camp doesn't, you know,
run totally into the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah. It it definitely looks like there's some really cute
funny bits. It's definitely relatable to a theater I never
went to theater camp, but I am a huge theater nerd.
You all know this. Why am I staying the obvious?
Jonathan and I are bold huge theater nerds. And some
of it looks really cute and some of it looks
very like wet hot American summer style of humor.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Oh no, I got, I got total wet hot American
summer vibes. Yeah, from parts of the not as not
as absurd as wet hot American summer obviously, but there
there's definitely some overlap and humor there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah, there's some some I don't want to say low,
but there's some bluer humor in it. But there is
a really great there's a really great moment in the
trailer that just made me laugh so hard because it
was obvious, but it was they were like, well, we
have the musicals, and then we have the straight plays,
and they're like, what is a straight play? And they're like,

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it's not a musical. And they're like, okay, so what's
a gay play? And I guess it would be a musical,
which you know is not true. Straight playser just plays
without music, and musicals music.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
But it was that joke, that whole setup, Like literally,
it's the kind of joke designed for the audience to
say the punchline before the character does, right, Like that's
that's what that joke is. And if there was anyone
who watched that trailer and didn't already say musicals before

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the character in the scene says musicals, it would shock
me because that's the way that joke.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Was written, and it's probably that movie is probably not
for you. Then, Uh yeah, I don't know if I'll
watch it. I I'm I'm really intrigued. The trailer definitely
feels like some self flagellation for the geekingness I felt
being a theater kid.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Yeah, no, it it definitely like it has moments in
it where obviously, like counselors are, they're trying to they're
trying to inspire the the kids, but they're also like
being they're trying to be the tough realist too about
this is you guys are the best of the best.

(01:16:08):
This is going to destroy you like that kind of thing.
Like those are the jokes, but it still seems like
overall the film has a kind of like a sweet
core to it, as opposed to some other theater camp
style movies where it's all about the kids finding ways

(01:16:29):
to absolutely sabotage one another so that they can take
center stage and the other person can't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Yeah, which I appreciate more. Uh you know what else
I appreciate Jonathan Me. I appreciate you and you won
the bet our Our episode went over an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean all I had to do was talk.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Slow, using my own tactics against me. All right, Well,
if you guys appreciated what we've talked about, if you
want to tell us the minute that we're missing in
Mission impossible. Or if you just want to tell Jonathan
congratulations on having a better grasp of how long this

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episode would take, you should write us and tell us
how can they do that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Jonathan, Well, you gotta drive yourself down to the farmer's
market on the outskirts of town. There, you're gonna find
yourself one booth that's selling packets of pepper bush seeds.
You're gonna get yourself one of them packets. You're gonna
drive yourself back home, dig a little hole in the yard,
throw one of them seeds in there, covered up, give

(01:17:40):
it some water, and let it grow. It's gonna take
a while, but eventually, in late summer, it's gonna start blossoming.
With those first peppers. You're gonna harvest them peppers and
you're gonna take them inside your house. You're gonna grind
them up real good, mix in some cilantros, some onion,
and you're gonna make yourself the salsa in that. And

(01:18:01):
then the next Tuesday, when it's Taco Matt, you take
that there salsa and you slather it on one of
them tacos. You gobble that son of a gun down
as fast as you can say, lick at his flip.
And then when you're sitting there in bed regretting your
last decisions as your stomach is doing summer salts and
your tumb tumb, you're gonna have yourself awaken nightmare dream There.

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You're gonna see a man with no face. He's got
tacos for arms. You're gonna ask him your question, and
then I'll answer you by sending you an email.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
I'm really disturbed. And if you want to write me
because I can't have salsa and I'm afraid of taco nightmares.
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