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Not all of our news is Disney related this week. We also ask What If? we got to take our favorite geek icons out to lunch, and find out what you get when you lock a little mermaid and a Witcher in a room together.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast is a production of I
Heart Radio. Hey everybody, welcome to the Large Nerdron Collider Podcast,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are

(00:28):
about them. I'm Ariel casting and with me, as always
is the delightful Jonathan Stringland. Well, how did they? Ariel?
I got myself a question for you, Ariel. Here's your question,
which of course starts off with a scenario. Here is

(00:53):
you get a chance to sit down and have lunch
with someone from the geek sphere that you really admire.
This person has to be alive, otherwise the lunch will
be really grim. Who do you pick? Well, first of all,
you cut my choices down immensely by saying they have
to be alive. But whatever, um does? Gary Oldman count absolutely?

(01:18):
Gary Oldman counts because Dracula, he counts. He counts at
least as high as Dracula and Commissioner Gordon and the
Devil and a bunch of other things. And Rosencrantz orro
was he Guildenstern? I can never rantz okay Rosenkrantz alright,
so was I anyhow. The reason why is because I

(01:41):
working at Drug cont I've actually gotten to peripherally worked
with a lot of celebrities, and that's kind of really cool.
You're not like sitting down and having lunch level, but
just kind of getting to see how they operate, how
they interact with other people, how they talk about their craft.
Gary Oldman is one of those actors who won has
played a ton of roles and I've love I had

(02:01):
a huge crush on him, and Rosencranz and Guildenstern and three.
He just disappears into every role that he plays. Like
when I take my acting classes, so often I'm told
that a director wants to see you in these imaginary
circumstances because otherwise it looks acting. But he can just
be someone completely different and it doesn't seem acting at all.

(02:25):
And that's just amazing to me. And I just want
to like be able to siphon off just a little
bit of that ability into myself. A fantastic answer. It's
kind of like the opposite of someone like Jack Nicholson,
who typically comes across as Jack Nicholson in whatever part
he plays, maybe like not not to the extent that
he's every character he plays is exactly the same, but

(02:48):
there are like you never see Jack Nicholson completely disappear
in front of you, right, You're always thinking that's Jack Nicholson.
Gary Oilman, as you say, can become characters to the
point where you can watch two different Gary Oldman projects
and potentially not realize it's the same actor playing two
those those different characters. I mean. And then my backup

(03:11):
would be Tom Hidleston and Kenneth Branna together because they're
both very large Shakespearean actors who do stuff on film.
I'm told Tom Hidleson's not that large, He's just at
least when he plays Loki, his persona is very large.
I have watched a lot of interviews with Hittleston and
and honestly, that was almost my pick. I almost went

(03:33):
with Tom Hidleston because of the interviews I've watched and
how charming and enthusiastic and uh and involved he is
with his craft, including his genuine love for the lore
of Loki. So I almost picked him his mind, but
that's not who I picked. Okay, who did you pick? Then?

(03:56):
A co worker of Tom Hidleston's, Elizabeth old Son, Because
so I picked her because I've watched interviews with Elizabeth
Olson where it's clear she very much takes the craft
of acting very seriously. She rejoices in it. She also

(04:18):
has a genuine appreciation for people who are nice and
who are gracious, at which I find really appealing. But
she also sees the absurdity that can come along with
the acting profession. I saw one interview where while she
was also expressing her love of acting, she was at

(04:40):
the same time pointing out how ridiculous certain acting schools
can be. Particularly yes, oh, it was so good, a
fantastic interview, but no, no that she she pointed out
that each school has its own prejudices against the other schools,
and that it all comes down to being very funny

(05:02):
to her, and it's just something that I find really
appealing and interesting. And the fact that she can inhabit
worlds of crazy fantasy and not be completely detached like
Gwyneth Paltrow to me, comes across as someone who honestly
couldn't care less if she were in m c U

(05:22):
or not. That's not how I feel about Elizabeth Olsen.
But at the same time, she's not. She hasn't hitched
her wagons solely to that, right, she's also doing all
these other things that she finds great personal joy in.
So I just feel like that would be a great conversation.
Side question, where do you go to lunch? Where do

(05:44):
I go to lunch? Uh? I'm gonna say Raclett in
New York, um, not knowing any of the dietary restrictions
of the people I'm eating with, because it well one.
I wanted to go there when I was supposed to
go to New York last year, and I will go
there if it's open when I go to New York,
hopefully next year or the end of this year. Um.

(06:05):
But it's a restaurant where they just melt massive amounts
of cheese and pour it over your food, and that
sounds like heaven to me. And then I would get
stretchy ice cream for dessert. What about you? Uh? Similar?
But I'm going to make a restaurant that doesn't exist.
It's uh, it's from a disaffected millennial and it's all

(06:27):
about Mexican cheese and it's called K So I waited
until Ariel drank before I did that joke. That was
that was brilliant. Side sidebar, if you haven't watched Elizabeth
Olsen's Kitchen Tour on First Week Feed. You should do
that because talk about quirky and fun. Yeah, I can't.

(06:49):
I'm really I fell down kind of a rabbit hole
of watching interviews of various actors recently, and uh, and
she just struck me as being particularly fascinating. But we
have a fascinating show for you, or at least we
think so. And it starts off with some news items, yes,
our first news item and the I'll say that the

(07:12):
title of this news article when I found it, kind
of buried the lead, which is Dark Wins, a Western
thriller series from George RR. Martin and Robert Redford is
heading to a MC so that is all true. But
George R. Martin and Robert Redford are executive producing this show.
It's based on a book series called Lee Porman ch
by Tony Hillerman, and it follows two Navajo police officers

(07:34):
as they investigate like murder cases and things like that.
And it's, um it deals a lot with the Navajo
nation and um, it's it's very thrillery. And originally I
picked this because I was kind of surprised that Georgia R.
Martin had anything going to anything other than HBO. I

(07:54):
thought he had hitched his wagon to HBO. But two, uh,
they show so Tony Hillerman is not Native American from
everything that I know, I haven't actually read Lee Porn
and che but now I probably will actually go and
read it because it seems so interesting. I'm definitely gonna
watch the show. But he grew up in in Oklahoma,

(08:15):
so he grew up with a lot of indigenous people. Um.
And when they put this show together, which you know,
features indigenous stars such as Zan mclarnin, who I love
he was in West World and Fargo, uh and and
Kiowa Gordon um who was in The Red Road, which
I haven't watched, but he looks really familiar, so I

(08:36):
think I've seen him in other things and I think
I like him too. It also was written the writer's
room was entirely staffed by Native American writers. So I
just I love the chance to have a thriller that
features a population of people that doesn't always get to
be the star of the show, and should um with

(08:58):
some of the actors that I absolutely we love uh
and told accurately to to explore, you know, some of
the beliefs and culture of of the people that it's
it's presenting. So it's it's super exciting to me. Yeah,
off off Mike. Before we recorded, I mentioned that this
is really cool because I come from an era where

(09:21):
any depiction of Native Americans one was almost certainly not written, edited,
or otherwise touched by a Native American during the writing process,
to frequently wasn't even acted by someone who was Native American.
I mean, there are famous examples where Italian actors were

(09:42):
hired on to play Native American characters, and so there
is a longstanding tradition in Hollywood of depicting Native American
cultures from the white lens, and to say that it
was inaccurate in most cases as being really generous. So

(10:03):
I'm excited to be able to experience these stories told
from a perspective that I don't have any experience with, right,
I don't come from that world, and to be able
to get a glimpse into a cool thriller story that
I know reflects the actual words and cultures of the

(10:23):
people that I know very little about, which is a
shame because I live in the country that they're people's roamed. Uh.
That really excites me because it's it's that's one of
the things I find the most exciting about this particular
era of pop culture is that we're starting to see
these populations get to tell their stories their way, and

(10:45):
they're fantastic stories, they really are, and it's this one's
exceptionally good. I know you said you were worried again
off Mike when I mentioned that George R. R. Martin
was involved in this because of his because of the
way he's written certain types of characters in Game of Thrones,
where you know, it's set in a fantasy world, but

(11:07):
there are clear sort of allegorical or or simulachroom type
similarities between certain fantasy characters and certain real world people's
that didn't always come across as being particularly good. So
I was worried at first because I did not understand

(11:28):
that he was executive producing as opposed to writing, So
that changes things. Yeah. It Also it also makes it
extra cool because the Navajo Nation President Jonathan Ness super
on board with it too, in fact so much so
that they got permission to film on Navajone Land, So
just super cool. I feel like this could uh and

(11:48):
not in today's episode because we've got some really cool
discussion topics lined up. But this could really lead to
an interesting discussion about fantasy worlds inspired by real nations
in the future, agreed, And and again like there's no
shortage of those. And often in the history of the
fantasy genre because the fact that that genre, like many

(12:12):
others in the Western world, have been dominated by white authors,
it often means that the depictions aren't always positive, or
even when they are quote unquote positive, they're not accurate.
So they still do harm, just in a different way.
So like, again, I don't want to harp on it
too much, obviously, I don't want to harsh anyone's buzz

(12:33):
on on the stuff that they love. I'm just really
encouraged to see that change because honestly, it does mean
that I get to see stories I never would have
seen otherwise, So that's really exciting. Um. Something else that
some people probably find exciting but not me, is that
a commercial that posed as a cartoon for kids from

(12:55):
the eighties is getting a refresh. Uh And just from
that headline, I bet there's at least twenty titles you
could come up with. But which one are we talking about? Uh? Not? Heman,
not Thunder the Barbarian, not ThunderCats. Not ThunderCats. We're talking
about silver Hawks. You don't know what silver Hawks is,

(13:16):
don't blame yourself. Yeah, okay, so think of ThunderCats, but
everyone's made out of metal, and they are in space. Uh,
and they most of them have wings, and one of
them is a guy named Bluegrass who also plays a
space guitar and where's that cowboy hat? And one of
them looks vaguely alien and ish and one of them

(13:36):
is a half mechanoid actual hawk, which probably wouldn't be
able to fly in space using hawk dynamics. Um, I
mean yeah, like, yeah, there's a there's a lot of
Star Wars physics going on here. Also, the theme song
says that they're part metal, part real, which I take

(13:56):
issue with because metal is real. I was into that.
It's a catchy theme song, but yeah, I took I
took a little bit of a positive that lyric as well,
because it's I did watch uh silver Hawks a little bit,
but not enough to super remember it. I just like
ranking Bass, who is who is bringing this to fruition,

(14:19):
said that Thundercots ThunderCats got its go, but people were
really upset that silver Hawks didn't. I'm paraphrasing, but I
can't believe enough people actually missed Silver Hawks other than
my husband, who enjoyed it well enough. But who is
not mad at this? I mean, I can't be mad
at it. Maybe it'll be a lot of fun. I'm
really excited about the new he Man Show, and that's similar. Yeah. No,

(14:43):
I mean like these came from an era where the
cartoons were largely excuses to sell lines of toys to kids,
and also from an era where you might get a
perfunctory message at the end to make it quote unquote
educational to ball under certain governmental regulations and guidelines, but

(15:04):
otherwise again, was really just a twenty two minute long
commercial for a line of toys. Silver Hawks is no different.
Um I yeah, I I I'm not feeling very strongly
about this. I don't have any nostalgia for silver Hawks.
I'm sure I watched a little bit of it. There
were only sixty episodes total when the first run happened.
Brankin Bass obviously famous animation studio. I always think of

(15:28):
them as the the people behind one Rudolph the Red
Nose Reindeer and to the Hobbit. Those are the two
that I always think about. But um, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, we'll we'll see. I'm not super excited about that.
But I tell you what I am excited about. I'm
excited about an upcoming Disney film that was going to

(15:51):
get in just a couple of months in Canto. Oh
me too. I think that this might be one of
the like most um exciting things to come out from
Disney this week for me, which is saying something because
Disney is coming out with like a billion things a week. Yes, yes,

(16:12):
it's true. So this is set. It's a story set
in rural Columbia, and it's about a girl who lives
with a magical family and she doesn't have any magic. Yeah,
it actually reminds me. Did you ever read the book series,
the Zance book series. I didn't, so, so I'm not
recommending you read them, because when you talk about stuff

(16:34):
that has not aged well, the Zance series is way
up there. However, in the early books, there is a
character who seemingly has no magical talent in a world
where everybody has a magical talent. In fact, it is
such an anomaly that he is exiled because there's there's
a no tolerance policy for people who don't have a

(16:56):
magical talent. Spoiler alert, It turns out he has the
most awful magical talent of the malt It's just one
that is impossible to easily observe, and even he is
unaware that he has it because it's it's a passive thing,
not something he actively creates. Which makes me wonder if
we're going to see something similar in Incanto or if
this is rather going to be one of those stories
of how someone can be special, even should their talents

(17:20):
not be as um as as obvious as others. But
the animation, the color, the color of this movie so vibrant,
it looks so gorgeous. I want to see this on
the best screen possible because it just is beautiful. Yes,
I agree. The main the main actress is is voiced

(17:43):
by Stephanie Beatriz from Brooklyn My nine and in the Heights,
who is absolutely phenomenal um both as an actress and
a voice actress. Uh. And then the music like so
the music, like the entire thing is it's almost like
Baby Driver, and how the entire trailer is per cust

(18:05):
or stomp or something like that, where it's all per
custoed and orchestrated to specifically to the actions. So it's
it's pretty much every everything I love into a tiny,
little animated package. Yeah, and Lynn Manuel Miranda is the
guy behind the music, so uh yeah, he's he's clearly
the current Disney Darling, having worked on on projects like

(18:29):
Mowanna and um yeah, I thought that it looks great
and I'm very eager to see it. Um. Something else
I'm eager to see is the upcoming Marvel series what If. Yeah.
I wasn't and then they came out with a new
trailer and now they've got me on board, and not

(18:50):
just because they show Howard the Duck Briefly, I was
gonna ask, um, you know, I didn't even realize that
Howard the Duck appears an end game, and then I
saw him and I thought, oh, there he is. I mean,
it's it's so brief you kind of have to have
it pointed out. Yeah, he's standing behind the Wasp at
the on your left moment. But yeah. So so what

(19:12):
If is a series of comics from Marvel that, you
know the title tells you it asks the question what
if what if X happened? Right? So, I actually used
to collect these comics. Is one of the few titles
that I collected as a kid, and I remember having
comics like you know, what if Aunt May got Spider

(19:32):
Man's powers? Or what if Dr Doom was a good guy?
Those were like the kind of things. But it's clear
that in this case they're also tying it into that
concept of the multiverse. So it's kind of touching on
the other aspects of Phase four of the m c U. Yeah,
I wonder if they'll I mean, they could really use
Loki for this to all. I don't know because the

(19:55):
last episode, which neither Jonathan i are have have watched
at the point of recording this of Lookie just came out.
But they could use what if too right in a
second season of One Division potentially, Like I don't know,
I don't know if they might tie it into the
multiverse since the show, like the live action shows, tie in,
I don't know if this one is going to tie
in as well. Yeah. No, it's like my guess is

(20:18):
that this, if it ties in, it will be sort
of tangential. It will be like because of the multiverse,
these things are possible, but not like to a point
where anything in what ifs Cannon and carries forward in
any other Marvel product. Really, we're going to get kill
Monger as Black Panther. Uh No, Um, I don't think

(20:40):
we're gonna get I don't think we're gonna get Peggy
Carter as Captain America, although I would love that. Um. Yeah,
there are a lot of the trailer. Also, the animation
I kind of dug. I wasn't sold on it when
I first saw teasers for it, but it's definitely grown
on me. It feels like they've they've rounded it out
just a little bit, not literally figuratively, it's it's got

(21:03):
a very comic style to it. We have one more
story which we're just going to hit on super quick
because it's too cute. Um before we go to break
and that is Uh. There was a new trailer that
came out for Free Guy, the Ryan Reynolds movie about
a an MPC in a video game who gained sentience,
and it was a reaction video done by Debt Pool

(21:24):
and Cord from Thor Ragnarok and I guess Love and
Thunder as well, Yes so so we and also from
from um Endgame, Corrige briefly appears an endgame. So yeah,
this technically means that we get our first Dead Bull
m c U crossover. We don't know if this will

(21:45):
be the extent of Dead Bull entering into the m
c you proper um, but yeah, technically we now have
Deadpool and another MCU character co existing in the same space.
Commenting on a different Ryan Reynolds movie trailer. Uh. And
obviously there's a lot of meta commentary. They're both about
Free Guy as a as a thing, and also about

(22:08):
Marvel in general. Um. And it's also an opportunity for
both Ryan Reynolds and Taiko a Tit to make fun
of themselves because they both appear in Free Guy as well. Yeah,
and it actually makes me excited if they decided to
pull Deadpool into the m c you proper because it
shows how you can mash him up with someone who

(22:28):
is delightfully sweet and still have it be entertaining and
not too crass. Um. That being said, I'm a little
bit mad at the very end of the trailer, which
did at me a little bit when when Deadpool asks
how to get into the m c U and Cord says,
believe in your dream, pursue your dream, give up happiness

(22:50):
in order of your dream that give up on your
dream and be hopeless, and then maybe you don't get
a call from Marvel and I'm like, why are you
gotta at me like that? Core, It's real. It was
funny until I got too real at the end. Um, Yeah,
it's it's cute, it's I mean, it's again, it's just
this playful thing. And I don't know that we'll ever
really see Deadpool incorporated more into the m c U.

(23:13):
I would love to see a Deadpool spider Man crossover,
simply because that's always been a fun, fun thing in
the comics. But you know, it's a complicated thing, right, Like,
can can Marvel work in Deadpool into stories in a
way that serves both Deadpool as a character well and
whatever story they're trying to tell within the m c

(23:34):
U remains to be seen. Then again, all these series
that have come out with Marvel, I wouldn't have anticipated
any of them before they happened, and I wouldn't have
thought that they would have worked so well. But as
we will discuss when we come back, they've been working
pretty darn well. So we want to talk a little

(24:02):
bit more about this whole dizzy plus phenomenon. But I
think I think we wanted to start with Jock than
I watched Black Widow over the weekend, and we just
wanted to as non spoilery as possible chat about it. Yeah.
So my general response is that it was entertaining. There

(24:23):
were some really fun action sequences. I liked all the performances.
I thought the performances were all very fun and strong.
I thought Pugh. I thought Pugh was fantastic as Yellina.
She was really entertaining. I thought David Harbor as the
Red Guardian was very funny. Um. I thought Scarlett Johanson

(24:46):
did an amazing job as Black Widow Rachel Weiss? How
does she not age as that? The fact that she
defies the passage of time is also interesting to me. Yeah,
I found it entertained. I did. I wasn't blown away.
I didn't. I would not even put this like the
other the movie I would most compare it to in tone.

(25:08):
I think it's probably Winter Soldier, but I don't think
it's nearly as good as Winter Soldier was. I also
agree there. So a couple of my family members said, oh,
that was that was fun. But I wish I had
focused more on the story, and I will have to
admit that well one the as much as I was

(25:29):
excited to see Black Widow get a movie, because I
do like some fight choreography. Man, I love fight choreography
if it's done well, and it was done well in
this movie. The first fight between Black Widow and Taskmaster,
which isn't a spoiler because you know they're going to fight, uh,
was phenomenal and I actually gasped out loud at a
couple of moments. Um. But the story overall of Black

(25:50):
Widow just isn't like super My Jam. But I enjoyed
it more than I thought I would. There was a
lot more humor than I anticipated. I wish they focused
on the story a little bit more, and I had.
I heard one article say that or one review say
that they felt like this movie would have done better

(26:11):
in phase one because the stakes are too high now,
I guess, But well, there's also the fact that we
already know what Black Widow's ultimate fate is, right, So
that ends up being a big issue too. If you
already know what a character's ultimate fate is going to be,
it's hard to have tension in a in a prequel

(26:33):
movie because you know, well, she has to make it
out of this because it happened. This other thing happens later, right, So,
and there were other elements that I thought, you know,
people have retroactively kind of red cond and it doesn't
mean anything to me, like, oh, now we know where
she got that vest she wore and that one movie.
And I'm like, yeah, I can honestly say not once

(26:55):
while I was watching Infinity War or Endgame was I thinking, Uh,
where did this character get that specific piece of clothing from?
It never passed my mind. So I was like, I
don't care about the explanation so much. Well, and there's
some big plot points that I won't get into for
anybody who hasn't watched it, because I mean it was
a fun watch. Um, it was a fun use of

(27:18):
my two hours. I do not regret it that like,
because they were explaining things that I previously had only
heard about. It needed a lot of explanation to get
me from point A to point B, and that kind
of felt very slow compared to all of the action sequences. Well,
and on top of that, I feel like they were

(27:38):
trying to have it both ways. They were trying to
give you a little bit of information about her background,
including why there's so much read in her ledger, which
she referred to consistently in Phase one, right, Like that
was the coda from Black Widow was that she has
read in her ledger and she's trying to atone you
kind of learn a little bit about that, but there's

(27:59):
so many big gaps in that story where like you know,
she references Clint a k A Hawkeye, but spoiler alert,
I mean, there's just there's very little information given about
what actually happened and how things progressed. So you're you're
still only kind of aware of what has happened, but

(28:22):
you don't know how it happened the way it did.
So it's not satisfying from that respect, right, it doesn't
solve that mystery. You don't learn enough about her past.
There's some big questions that remain unanswered. There's one huge
question I have that goes from the penultimate scene to
the final scene before credits, where I'm like, okay, wait,

(28:47):
so some time has passed, but what happened, what's happening
right now in front of me literally makes no sense
based on what I just saw happen. Um so there's
some there's some inconsistencies and some plot holes that you know,
I'm willing to overlook for the sake of a fun story.
But I agree, I feel like there were there were

(29:09):
just enough gaps there that I could not completely disconnect
from that, and I found myself asking questions to which
there are no answers um and that that can be okay,
but it felt frustrating. Yes, I agree, I feel like
they did a disservice to the character in Scarlett Johansson
by not making this movie earlier, not because of the stakes,

(29:29):
but just because now they kind of had to shoehorn
it in. Yeah, I am really excited for the like
the very end credits teaser scene that they gave at
the very very very end, it ties into another Marvel
property that we recently saw. Yes, So, like I said,
all in all, I think it was good. Regardless of that,

(29:51):
regardless of when this movie came out and maybe some
a bit shortfalls, it did really really well opening weekend.
It made like what two hundred and eighteen million fantastic?
Like I had not been following up on that. Uh,
and curious, Ariel, how did you see this? Did you
go to the theater to see it. I rented it

(30:12):
on Disney Plus. Say, I mean like there might there
might be something I go to the theater for um upcoming,
but this was not it. Instead, we we had a
small group of our vaccinated friends come and watch it
with us. Yeah, I mean, like to be fair, like
we we know someone who is vaccinated and yet still

(30:36):
contracted COVID uh not too long ago. And it just
again it even though and and this person is okay,
they are having a mild case of COVID. However, just
that possibility means like both Ariel and I feel very
strongly that we don't want to end up passing COVID

(30:57):
onto someone who might not be vaccinated, like whether that
choice was made because the person can't get vaccinated or
because they just don't want to. Like I disagree with
that particular choice, the not wanting to thing, but I
still don't want to kill anybody. So until then, I'm
limiting my interactions outside of my very small bubble. Same

(31:21):
so I mean I need to as well, just because
I'm I'm a working actor, and I want to make
sure that when I get booked, I am healthy for
the people on set because they will check. Yeah, if
you test positive, you don't get the gig. Yeah, and
I don't want to do that be I mean beyond
making like keeping other people safe as my top priority.

(31:41):
That's my my other but that's my like professional priority. Um.
But Disney plus man, they also ran away with the
uh Emmy nominations this year, no joke, So twenty four
nominations for the Mandalorian one division, right mind with twenty
three nominations and then you've got additional ones from Falcon

(32:05):
and The Winter Soldier. Like Marvel and and Star Wars
have come out as power houses in this year's and
Emmy nominations. The only show that got more nominations than
Want Division and Mandalorian and the Emmy's was The Crown, um,
which I haven't watched, but I've heard that it's good.

(32:25):
It's just, you know, I spend most of my time
in the geek geek verse, so, um, I guess that's
it's a kind of geeky thing. Sure, yeah, there's like
a there's a historosity element to it. Yeah, it's it's
um you know. And honestly, the Crown got twenty four
nominations too, so it actually tied with Mandalorian so and

(32:50):
when you look at that, you're like, all right, So
that means there's like, there's like more than fifty nominations
for Disney Plus properties across the Emmy's, including you know,
Best Actor, uh, nominations for Elizabeth Olsen and for Paul Bettany,
and that that's fantastic. Catherine Hahn got a nomination for

(33:12):
her role as a as Agatha slash Agnes Limited and
like flat out just limited series, like Best Limited Series.
It's it's it's a real testament to the work that
went into that series. I think it's well deserved. I think,
like what, while you can argue it's a comic book thing,

(33:34):
it's a popcorn thing, it's not really you know, weighty
or heavy. In my mind, the awards shouldn't just go
to works that are attempting to be you know, quote
unquote serious. It needs to go to nominations need to
go out to really great examples of work. That work
doesn't have to be heavy and weighty, although because I

(33:57):
mean I've seen some quote unquote serious stuff that was
just crappy, right, it was just poorly made, poorly acted.
Maybe the subject matter was very serious, but doesn't mean
the execution was great. And then I've seen some very
whimsical stuff that is done incredibly well, and I think that,
you know, there's room in the world for nominations to

(34:21):
go to those sort of things. I agree, and I'm
super excited because like when you look at the Oscars,
exception of like Black Panther, most most sci fi fantasy,
superhero geek things maybe get like a not or two
for visual editing or score, and unless it's something like

(34:43):
Lord of the Rings, where Return of the King gets
a butt load of nominations, but you feel like that's
partly because the Academy did not hand out nominations for
the previous two chapters, and now it feels like, oh,
we need to do this now because this is undeniably
a phenomenon and even if Return of the King is

(35:04):
by all measures and metrics objectively the worst of the
Lord of the Rings movies that may or may not
be my own opinion, we need to give them all
the nominations. Fellowship deserved it more. Yeah, there's there's definitely
some stuff like that happened like that that happens with awards. Unfortunately.
Um I so I know that it got nominated for

(35:27):
Best Support or Best Limited Series. But I kind of
hope they decided to come back with a season two
of One Division. I have no idea what they're doing
with with Phase four, so I don't know if it
could fit, but well, I can tell you it's still
the strongest showed me. I agree. I think One Division

(35:48):
One Division is still my favorite of the m c
U series so far. Um with a Bullet Loki being
following up Falcon and Winners Soldiers not bad, It's just
not not as high up as the other. But Elizabeth
Olsen has essentially said there's not going to be a
season two of One Division. She has but I like,
I want to live in my own fantasy world, and

(36:09):
I hope that there is because I do like Loki
and we're getting a second season of that. But uh,
if you haven't read the news yet, because it's everywhere,
if you haven't watched the episode, don't read the news.
It'll spoil the last episode for you. But that series, yeah,
but that series to me, like, there are some episodes
that are really really fantastic that I absolutely love. Episode

(36:33):
I think three of Loki. There's just some camera work
where they film an action scene and the camera is
circling around the action scene and they make it look
much more chaotic than it actually. That was just so
intriguing to me from a technical perspective. And then, um,
the fifth episode of the series was phenomenal. Yeah, absolutely phenomenal. Yeah,

(36:59):
it's I'm sure Loki is gonna end up getting some
nominations for next year's Emmy's, you know, kind of carrying
this on. It's bad timing simply because the way that
these are all coming out means that Loki is not
going to be front of mind by the time the
next year nominations come out. But still really fascinating stuff.

(37:20):
But we need to wrap this up and we need
to move on to our mash ups, which we will
talk about after this quick break. Okay, ariel Um, I

(37:49):
don't know if you know this. You might not be
aware of it, but there's a famous Disney character who
has the same name that you have. Is it Dell?
It is not, it's Ari l Um. Yeah, we are
the Little Mermaid. So one of the two properties we're
mashing up today is the Little Mermaid, and it's partly

(38:10):
because one of the news items we almost covered is
that The Little Mermaid production has wrapped, and they shared
a photo of the character, uh kind of as a
as a that's a wrap thing, which is starting to
become a thing on on social media. We're seeing that
with more and more productions where a tantalizing images shared

(38:31):
as a production raps. And so that was one of
the two stories we wanted to to allude to with
our mash up. The Little Mermaid of course being now
and a very loose adaptation of the Hans Christian Anderson story. Um.
The Disney version is one of my favorite films, UM,
even though I acknowledge they took massive liberties with the

(38:54):
original story, which is one of the things that Ariel
finds somewhat um frustrating, irritating. Yeah, yes, darn Twoton going
full circle with that that Western accent you did at
the beginning. Yeah, that's frustrating to me. Yes, well that's
one of our stories. So the other one is because

(39:16):
we got a sort of teaser trailer for the second
season of The Witcher, Yes, which was at It was
a good trailer. It felt much more interpersonal. There were
no obvious monsters in the entire trailer, which I thought
that was what The Witcher was all about. Um, so, uh,

(39:41):
that was a little disappointing. Um. If you're not familiar
with The Witcher, it's a series of video games and
books and the main characters a Witcher and he's kind
of like looked on down by normal society, but he
hunts hunts monsters, and some people think he's monstrous himself
and evil, and um, then there was a TV I

(40:01):
have not played the games, I have not read the books,
but I watched the TV series and I can still
only tell you vaguely about what happened. Well, yeah, so
I can. I can help out a little bit in
that the In the mythology of the Witcher series, whether
it's the books, the games, or the television series, the
idea is that UH powerful magic users created the Witchers

(40:26):
by mutating humans, many of whom do not survive the process,
and as a result, these humans gain uh greater strength
than speed and agility and a few other powers, but
they also tend to lose a lot of their emotive abilities.

(40:47):
They become much less emotional and much less capable of
forming emotional attachments with other people. And partly for that reason,
and partly for the fact that they do exhibit these
other abilities. Norm old folks can look upon witchers as
being rather monstrous themselves. So that's kind of the the

(41:07):
grounding of what that is. And and the Witcher series
follows a specific Witcher, um Girault, who is going on
various adventures and uh the I think there's something like
fourteen books in the series, so summing up the storyline
would be a fool's errand but that that's the ground
that we have to build upon with our mashup of

(41:30):
the Little Mermaid and the Witcher. So do you want
me to go first? I have a very short one
and I don't think it's particularly funny. So you want
me to go first? Or would you like to go
You can go ahead and go first. Okay, yes, so
minus minus particularly short this time. But here we go.
This is the Little Witcher Sirie. The Little Mermaid has

(41:53):
a problem. She wants to be where the people are.
She wants to see him dancing walking around on those
what do you call him, oh, bloody stumps. Plus, she's
seen this total hottie up there on the surface named Galahad,
and she totes wants his number, but she's stuck being
a fishy little mermaid. However, she has heard rumor that

(42:16):
there is someone who can help her. Ursula, the Sea Witcher.
Ursula was once ruler of the realm, but the seas
were plagued by monstrous evil creatures that terrorize the underwater denizens,
and so Ursula volunteered to undergo a dangerous, brutal process
in which magic wielding mur folk mutated her to become

(42:37):
a monster killing machine a lot of the literation of
that one. Many others underwent the same process, but few survived.
Ursula was one of the survivors, but as a result
lost much of her humanity or mermanity, I guess. Oh.
And also her fish tail mutated into octopus legs, which

(42:57):
is fitting because she belongs to the school of the Octopus.
Siri makes the perilous journey to Ursula's lair, where Sirie
finds the sea which are relaxing in a bath, which
I mean, that's weird, right, I mean, they're already underwater,
and yet here's Ursula bathing. In fact, it turns out

(43:17):
Ursula bathes a lot like this is a thing with Ursula,
which is kind of, you know, iconic, but also like
just weird. Anyway. Sirie explains to Ursula her predicament. Ursula
strikes a bargain with Sirie. Ursula will transform Sirie into
a human using ancient magics, but in return, Siri has

(43:39):
to serve as the above ground agent for Ursula, who
can't really get out of the water for very long
and thus has limited success hunting down and killing land
based monsters. Siri, unable to see an alternative, agreed, and
so Ursula begins the ritual that will make Sirie a
new which but not a sea witcher, a land witcher,

(44:03):
and Sirie endures intense pain and terror as she changes,
transforming into a human, swimming to the surface to breathe,
and landing on the shore. She has become Sirie the Sandwitcher.
From that moment forward, Ursula and Syrie are in close contact.
Ursula continues to battle Leviathans and Krakens under the sea,

(44:28):
using a silver pitch fork to take care of the
really nasty gritters, and Sirie makes alliances on land, joining
the Kingdom of Arthur, and falling in love with Galahad.
In the background of all of this stuff are some
complicated political maneuvers that we kind of hint at but
don't really explore, you know, like between the current ruler

(44:48):
of the seas, king Triton, and the people who are
ruling on land. Tritan doesn't trust the land walkers, but
he also doesn't like to acknowledge the fact that Ursula
exists because you know, he's kind of responsible for that,
and it's not fun to remember your past mistakes, so
he does his best to bury it. But he's an
old white dude, so he's really good at that. In

(45:08):
the end, we get adventure, we get monster slang, we
get romance. Also, we get some songs. Oh and I
also meant to say, at the very beginning, this whole
thing is animated, but later on we're going to get
a musical stage adaptation, and later still we can make
a live action movie version, so you know, chut ching

(45:28):
the end. That was amazing, Jonathan, I don't know what
you're talking about. I really enjoyed that. And my mash
up is vaguely like a what if version of yours? Okay,
like there are some similar through lines, um, but it's
not exactly. And thank you for going first, because I
got one of my facts wrong and I had to
change it. Um I misremembered that Jazz Gears name in

(45:54):
the video games was either Marigold or translated to but
it's actually Dandelion. So I just needed to a quick
retcon my title, which is now the Little mermal Ion.
Uh it was before the Little mrma Gold, but it's
actually the Little mermal Lion. Okay. So Julian Ariel pancrats

(46:15):
that are known as Jaskar to some and to others
as Dandy Lion was a free spirit, the kind that
was never content with his place in life. That the
kind that annoyed the ones who loved him most. Though
he had a golden voice, a magical lute sidekick, and
a few regular local taverns, he longed for a life
of adventure. So when he met Gerald Rivia I'm going

(46:38):
to mispronounce all of these names. Of course, he wanted
to be where the Witchers are. The only problem is
that Jaskar was a bard and Jarl was a monster killer.
It was like Darrell barely acknowledged that Jaskar even existed.
Jaskar tagged along everywhere that Garald went like a codependent flounder.
He did so many things to try to gain Gerald's attention.

(47:00):
He wrote witty and touching prose and songs about Girault's adventures,
such inspiring works of art like Shalla Kill the Ghoul
and drowners with tridents, and he gathered small monster killing
gifts like dingle harvesters and snarf blasts. He even nearly
got killed by a gin to need rescuing, but nothing

(47:21):
seemed to work. In fact, the only thing the Witcher
seemed to care about were monsters and somebody named Sirie.
No not you phone, shut up? Uh. So Jasker, desperate
and alone, decided to make a deal with Jennifer, a
selfish sorceress, to make him undignrable by the Witcher, and
she did just that, how you ask, by turning Jasker

(47:43):
into a mer person. The Witcher by trade wouldn't be
able to ignore this fantastical creature, which some might call
a monster, and jask Your thought Girot would be pleased,
so he called out to him to get his attention,
but that's when he found out the sorceress took his
golden voice. He reached for his magical lute sidekick, who, yes,
is still there but we kind of forgot about. But

(48:04):
the sorceress had disenchanted it into a regular loot. He
tried to play this regular loot, but the sorceress took
his musical ability. You see, Jennifer also wanted the Witcher's
non existent attention, and she was also super annoyed by
jasker like all the time, so much like that jin
that almost killed him once. She didn't grant his wish
the way that you ask your thought she would. So

(48:26):
when Jaska called out to Gerald and tried to play
his lute, all Dralt heard was a cacophony in horrible, gurgling,
monstrous sounds, and he started rushing towards the murder person
to stop it, thinking it was a drowned Jaska, not
liking the attention he was getting from the Witcher, tried
to do a funny jask your jig, but he had
no legs, so he just ended up splashing dr up furiously,
which only made the witcher angrier. The Witcher drew his

(48:47):
silver sword and ran the murperson through the heart, shouting
take that Lapoissan. As Jaska floated there in shock from
being impaled, a single bard tier ran down his face
and everything slowly turned to black. All of a sudden,
Jasker woke with a start. It had all been a
bad dream, but it had seemed so real. He went
to the tavern as usual to sing for his supper,

(49:10):
and was furiously booed and mocked as he tried to
sing with his golden voice and magical lute. Maybe it
wasn't a dream after all. No matter. From now on,
Jaska would be happy with his begrudging acquaintanceship with Gerald.
The end, I loved it. I love the I love
the puns and the song titles. Thank you they they

(49:34):
I mean, I'm sure people heard me laughing in the background.
But Drowners with Trident's was a very, very long stretch
from Daughters of Triton, but I had to pick something
else that actually had lyrics, So yeah, you know it
is does get tricky. That's why I like in this case,
I thought I would spare our listeners and not do

(49:55):
a song for once, despite the fact that I referenced them. Um.
But I was very attempted to try and write a
version of Poor Unfortunate Souls because it is one of
my favorite Disney songs of all time, but I resisted
the urge. You're welcome listeners. I almost wrote a Mermaid
version of Tasson Quintier Witcher, But even though that song

(50:16):
gets stuck in my head like no tomorrow, I can't
actually hum the tune correctly. Ever, that's that's fair, Like
I I remember hearing that at a recent karaoke event,
a little private karaoke event that we attended, and even
while it was happening, I was like, what's this from?
Oh no, I get it because I have not watched

(50:37):
the show. I've only I've only played the games a bit.
But um, yeah, that was fun. If you guys have
suggestions for things we should mash up together, maybe there's
a conversational topic you would like us to tackle, or
maybe you have your own mash up. There are various
ways you can get in touch with us. The way
for long form is email. The email address for the

(50:59):
show is in see at I Heart media dot com.
But you can also reach out on the socials ariel
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you write, we might even read it on an episode. Also,

(51:20):
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really appreciate it. And until next time, I am Jonathan
all Wet Strickland and I am Ariel A hundred Gold

(51:42):
Duckets casting m m m hm hm. The Large Nur

(52:07):
Drunk Collider is production of I Heart Radio and was
created by Ariel Kasten. Jonathan Strickland is the executive producer.
This show is produced, edited and published by Torri Harrison.
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