March 11, 2021 • 43 mins
Inspired by the previous week's question. Jonathan and Ariel navigate through spaceships, their places in our heart and how they are often characters, not just vehicles. And then we boldly go to the Hundred Acre Wood (kind of) in our mash-up.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast is a production of I
Heart Radio. Hi everybody, Welcome to the Large nor John Collider,
the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
the world around us and how very excited we are
(00:28):
about them. I'm arial casting and with me as always
is beloved friend and co host Jonathan Strickland. Hey, there's
space cadet. I got a question for you. What is
your favorite score, not soundtrack, but score or theme music
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for a sci fi or fantasy film or series. The
Return of the King soundtrack, so the the the music
from the Lord of the Rings, or just the Return
of the King in general. Wait, when you say to
the game, do you mean the rank and Bass Return
of the King or do you mean the Peter Jackson
return of the game? Peter Jackson returned to the King,
(01:12):
and mainly because Billy Boyd as Pippin sings his song
in it Um, which is just a beautiful song and
he performs it beautifully. Um. I like the music from
the entire trilogy, but I think if I had to
pick one, that would be my favorite. Okay, that's a
it's a good piece. I think that that score in
(01:32):
general is very strong, strong enough so that I was
excited to hear it when I started watching The Hobbit.
And then I actually started watching the Hobbit, and then
the all excitement drained away and I fell asleep, as
Okay said multiple times, So then what is your favorite score?
What an unfair question to ask me, Ariel, I love Jesus, Okay,
(01:57):
So if I well, I mean, like, just because you
play it doesn't mean you love it. Uh. I think
my favorite this is This is one of those questions
where I think, and I think it's probably true for
you too, areal, where depending on what day you get
asked the question, you might have a different answer. Because
obviously I mean, I love John Williams music. Right, So
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I love I love Like, I love Jaws, I love
Star Wars, Raisers, Lost, Dark Close Encounts of the Third
Kind He's done so much. I also love Danny Elfman's music.
I love things like the music to Beetlejuice and uh
and things like that, or even Peewee's Big Adventure like
going old School. But if I have to pick one
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kind of sci fi or fantasy, I'm gonna throw superheroes
in there. The uh, the the score for the nineteen
Superman movie Bom Bom Bom Bump Bump. That still gets
me pumped, like so much so that when I heard
it referenced in the small Ville show, I got choked up,
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which was ridiculous for me to get choked up while
watching small Ville. It was because I think the first
time they played it on that show, they had just
one acoustic guitar plunking get out on what on? Just
a couple of strings, right, But it was so powerful
for me. So for me, music is one of those
things that really connects me with material. And uh and
(03:26):
that's why I wanted to ask that question. Let me
just mark that off my list because I don't want
to ask it twice. Well, if you ask me again,
I might say, like Bear McCreary or something like that,
since he did Lost and Outlander and that will start
Galactica and all of that. It's a good answer. It's
a good answer. So, uh, Ariel you and I now
live in a post One Division world. I'm so sad.
(03:50):
Yeah no more, no more new episodes of One Division
coming out, And we're not going to spoil One Division here.
We don't believe in that some people just don't have
the time to watch things right when they come out.
I know there were some people who are complaining about
not being able to binge one division. Well, now you
can do that if you have Disney Plus. But personally,
(04:10):
I really liked having that weekly thing to look forward to.
Um And I thought the I thought the finale was amazing.
I did as well. I I always have and a
little bit of lackluster response to like um bus level
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fights and things like that. Um So I'm never, I'm never.
I don't know that I enjoyed the journey a lot
more than I enjoyed the combination of the end of
the journey. I guess I should say I find this
fascinating areal because you also really like Kaiju movies, and
that's all that is are just big booming booms booms.
(04:55):
But okay, but that's what I'm expecting out of it.
Um Also, I love the character development. I mean, if
you really get into Godzilla's psychic okay, sure, yeah, I
mean I've I've seen Godzilla on a couch before I
get it now. I think, um, I think they did
a pretty good job of balancing the uh the super
heroic Shenanigans with more dialogue which kind of revealed things
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that were going on. But we don't want to give
anything away. But I'm with you. Like spectacle stuff, especially
spectacle stuff that is designed for the small screen, sometimes
has trouble living up to expectations. Um, you know, like
you can you can get away with a lot of
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other stuff on a really big screen, like you just
expect it when you go to see something like Avengers
or you know that sort of stuff. But I I agree.
I felt that the the action bits were the least
interesting to me, but that's okay because there was so
much other stuff that was really interesting to me. Um.
Not enough Cat Dennings though, never never enough Cat Dennings,
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I UM. I happen to avoid most spoilers. The only
fan theories I I ride were the ones I wanted to,
so I didn't really spoil anything for myself because they
were just fan theories at the time. And I will
say that the end did not end the way I
anticipated it too, and they tied up a few loose
ends in a way that completely surprised me. So and
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there is one major loose end that's still there which
I am looking forward to seeing come background again at
some point. But yeah, no, I agree. I watched a
lot of videos about fan theories, um, none of which
ended up being right, at least not. Some of them
got bits of it, but not most of it. But yeah,
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I enjoyed it very much. I thought that it was
I thought it ended the way it needed to mostly,
and it makes me it makes me look forward to
Doctor Strange and Spider Man a lot. Yeah. I think
it is a really great introduction to Phase four Phase four.
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Something else I'm looking forward to, I think because I
haven't finished reading the book. Is the Netflix series of
The Talisman. Yeah, so The Talisman is h is one
of those books that that Stephen King did that um
is not a horror novel. It's it's more of a fantasy.
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I mean, there's some scary stuff in there. But he
also co wrote it, so he co wrote it with
Peter Strong. Yes, but it's it's it's one of those
where again it's not a it's not an outright horror novel, right,
It's not like it or The Stand And it's got
it's got a it's heart A journey of a young
boy trying to save his his mother by retrieving this
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legendary talisman. But the thing that also interests me is
that the Duffer brothers are involved with this, and there
of course the The Minds and Stranger Things, And you
would think that like Stranger Things was so um felt
so much like it in many ways, like the the
presentation and the theming. It felt very much inspired by
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Stephen King. So this is kind of like going full circle.
Yeah yeah, now you know, like Netflix has had some
mother really good king Ish series. Lock and Key is
a great example because his son wrote that the comics series, um,
you know, Defferent House on Haunted Hill. So they've they've
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put out some really good King inspired series already. The
Deffer brothers have done great things with Stranger Things. Now
that I have watched through it all, I really enjoy it.
Finally watched howd you get past those first two episodes?
Eventually I got my husband pulled in and that's how
I was able to make it through because it does
gets scarier points. But I suspect that, Um, I am
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like a quarter of the way through the Talisman and
it's not a huge nostalgia train of a book. Um,
But Steven Spielberg and Duffer brothers. Also, they both really
play on nostalgia in the things that they do a
lot of times, and so I'll be interested to see
what they do with this. I think. I think it's
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at least fairly clear that the Duffer brothers at the
very very least hold Stephen King's works in fairly high regard.
So my hope is that that will translate to what
we see on the screen now something that I think
is interesting. I'm not sure how I fully feel about
it yet. Actually I know how I feel about it.
(09:39):
I'm not so sure about this. But we have learned
that there's going to be some pop up Broadway theater performances.
So in New York, some Broadway theaters are going to
open for some very very limited special performances as sort
of a test run in the near future. Yeah, I
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think they are allowed to operate at thirty three percent capacity,
or with one hundred people inside and two hundred people outside.
Now they can go up if everybody has had vaccinations,
but how are you going to get that proven? Or
everybody has a negative COVID test um. I don't remember
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which one I I understand. We both have friends in
New York who who live through Broadway. That's that's their job. Um,
and and so I'm excited that they might start being
able to get back to work, but I you know,
I am still very hesitant about going out and doing
things myself. Of course I'm not vaccinated. So yeah, well,
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and it's and it's just one of those things where
like the health officials are still warning us, right, they're
still saying, please, please, please, please please, don't don't assume
that we're through the woods already and that it's okay
to go out and do these kind of things. Don't
just assume that that's that's okay because people are getting
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vaccinated now, that now it's safe, because that's not true.
We still have thousands of new cases of COVID every week,
and there's there's just a lot we don't know. That
being said, Uh, they're they're doing it in conjunction with
New York pop Ups, the New York Pop Ups Initiative,
which has been doing some small events. They're keeping the
events unpublicized and unticketed, just to make sure that the
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numbers stay small yet, which makes you wonder how you
even find out about it. Like, I get it, you
don't want to announce it ahead of time, because you
don't want there to suddenly be a rush, right people
who are start for theater all going there at the
same time. Does that just mean people who are in
the general area are going to find out about it
like half an hour beforehand, like it's it's a It's
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a weird way to go about this, because in my mind,
if I were living in New York and I knew
that this was happening, I would be sorely tempted to
just troll Broadway all day, every day in the hopes
that I was going to get to see something. People
people do that for tickets all the time. Have sold
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out shows, right, but not not usually when there's a
pandemic going on. Not usually when there's a pandemic. Now,
it did raise an interesting, an interesting question, and I
don't have the answer to this question, but the Actor's
Equity Association is calling for arts workers to be prioritized
for COVID vaccines in light of this announcement. You know,
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restaurant workers are are being prioritized, and they feel that
actors could probably fall into that same category. I certainly
think that not just actors, but the theatrical staff should
all be prioritized if in fact they are to be
expected to do this kind of stuff, because they're going
to be exposed to way more people. And um, yeah,
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I just think if you are going to do this,
you have to protect the people who are doing it,
Otherwise it is unethical. So I definitely have my misgivings.
I will hope for the best and uh and I
mean I I honestly I also feel envy. I really
miss Live Theater a lot. I don't miss it enough
to put myself for others in danger. Well, glass half full. Uh,
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you know, maybe this is you know, a light at
the end of the tunnel in you and I will
get to go see Haydes Town soon or possibly The
Queen's Gambit the musical. Yeah, so it turns out Level
Forward is going to be making a musical adaptation of
The Queen's Gambit, the series that was on Netflix. Um,
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it's interesting, you know. So The Queen's Gambit is not
just about a woman who plays chess. It's about her
journey as a person, dealing with family tragedy, dealing with
substance abuse, dealing with her own identity, her concept of
her identity, and all of these other things are wrapped
up into it. Uh. It's funny because the story that
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we linked to, which is from Slash Film, has a
fairly incredulous take, like I can't believe they're gonna make
a musical about this. I hope we don't see big
dancing chess pieces. And I'm thinking someone has never seen
the musical Chess. There has been a musical about Chess.
(14:29):
It's fine. It was done the music of ABBA, or
like two of the members of Abba wrote the music
for it. I was I was going to say, like
I put this in here specifically because when I read
the article, I'm like, okay, so it's going to be
Chess the musical. They'll just use ABBA music and ABBA music,
I say, Alba, they'll use Appa music, and it will
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be something new we've never ever seen before. But now
I know, I know you like Chess, uh the musical,
and I know you like Queen's Gambit, And so see
how how different this turns out to be. I'm sure
different enough. I'm sure there are many fascinating stories in
the chest. Well, it would it would have to be
different in the sense that you know, Queen's Game Bit
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was a series that spanned several episodes, and you're not
going to sit through an eight hour musical, so it
will have to. Boy, I haven't been to one in
a while. I might like usually a song can cover
like ten years span of time, so really you can
just cheat that way. We have one other story and
(15:31):
it is kind of we're gonna just spend a little
time on it, but it's a crazy one, which is
that Neo Pets, the virtual pet game that was like
a flash based game. There's now like a crazy black
market for Neo Pets. Yes, yes, apparently a while back
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they changed up their art style and a part of
that meant that you could go and you could customize
your little neopets to your hearts delight, using paintbrushes and
things like that. Um this is all from the article
and not at all because I used to play Neo
Pets with my old room mate anyhow. Um So what
that meant was if you had an un um unedited, original,
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unconverted original art pet, that you had a rare pet.
And so people were finding out, you know, they wouldn't
log into Neo Pets for a while one because you
get busy and it's neo pets and two because they
have a lot of security issues and they logged back
in and find out that their pets had been traded
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without their knowledge. Now, trading in neopets is something that
could be done, but it was usually like the game
is not set up to trade pets. You had to
put them in a pound. You have to set it
up so that it was never something that was very
um well organized. But it's just it's so mind boggling
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to me that this little flash game that I played
ten years ago has a black market that is making
news today, right, So it's yeah, it is kind of
it blows my mind because it just shows that people
will value what they value, even if that thing is
not real, Like it's a it's just a I mean,
it's just a drawing essentially, is what it is. But
when we come back, Ariel and I are going to
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talk some more about spaceships, because it turns out when
we started chatting about that last week, we had other
things to talk about that would have totally snowballed that
whole episode. So we're gonna snowballed this one. We'll do
that after this quick break that was my spaceship. Yeah,
(17:46):
I like you. I like your spaceship sound effects. I
like it a lot. So last week we were you know,
it was my question that prompted this, right, I asked
you what your favorite, uh spaceship was, your fictional spaceship,
favorite fictional spaceship, and we started talking about ships and
how ships can sometimes be a character in a story,
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sometimes literally their characters in a story, sometimes figuratively. They
end up being a character like it's they're they're treated
with the same kind of respect that a character might
be treated. And we just thought we'd talked a little
bit more about that. Yeah, So I mean spaceships that
are actually characters. You think about things like the Tartis,
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which eventually had an episode called The Doctor's Wife. The
Tartis is essential spaceship. It's a spaceship and a time
travel machine. Um. After you asked me last week, I
did look that up and the consensus is that it
is a it is a space ship. Um. And you
know Moya from Far Escape, which is a Leviathan and
not the only instance of a Leviathan like creature being
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a spaceship. Heck, if you go into the discworld novels
you've got, you could count the turtle that carries the
world on its back as a spaceship sorts. Yes, um
and and so we started talking about science spaceships, but
they're also sentience spaceships that aren't usually characters. Like if
you look at the Battlestar Galactica remake spaceships, they were
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slightly organic. They were kind of like, yeah, so they
would have guts, and I think there were some that
were you know, there there cylons. Okay, if I did
not know any of this, because of course I've only
watched the good Bellstar Galactic. If you look at it
as a different story, it's pretty good, you know, But
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but you know, cylons are are you know, it's that
whole debate of of what is what is human and
was not, which is a whole another bunny trail. We
can have our synths are people to discussion in a
later episode. Yes, but you know, it's interesting to me
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because when we started talking about it after the last episode,
we went from actual sentient ships two ships that had
sentient characteristics like the Enterprise, and I think that is
one of the greatest examples of a ship that maybe
doesn't have Maybe people disagree with me, an actual consciousness
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to it um still being a character with personality traits
and and being beloved and things like that. Well, and
so with the Enterprise in particular, I mean, you did
have the ship's computer, which kind of serves as the
voice of the ship. Although you could also argue that
the computer and the ship are two things that are connected,
but they are each independent of one another. You could
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argue that. But to me, the thing that made the
Enterprise a character was the way the other characters in
Star Trek referred to and regarded the Enterprise, particularly like
if you're looking at the original series, Scotty loved the Enterprise.
Like he he was almost in love with the Enterprise
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to the point where he got personally offended if anyone
made any sort of comment that could be perceived as
a criticism toward the Enterprise, and he would kind of
pooh pooh other ships and the Federation's fleet as not
being up to the caliber of the Enterprise. Right. So,
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for me, the Enterprise was one of those things that
was really special and uh in Star Trek three, the
original series Star Trek three, The Search for Spock. Spoiler
alert for a movie that's older than most of you
out there. But in Star Trek three, uh, the the
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crew of the Enterprise are forced to self destruct. They
they they set the Enterprise to self destruct in order
to escape Klingons. They end up taking over the Klingon ship.
They trapped the Clingons aboard the Enterprise and they blow
it up. Blowing up the Enterprise was a huge deal.
I mean, this was a ship that had an enormous
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amount of fan love toward it from the original television
series and the first two of the motion pictures. You
get to that moment. I still remember I was a
kid when that movie came out, but I still remember
people gasping and crying when the Enterprise blew up because
it was like a real character to them. And um,
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I might have mentioned this in the last week where
it got to a point where with the Next Generation,
I was personally offended when they started referring to the
fact that, you know, they blew up a couple of
those Enterprises, and Picard at one point even says there
are a lot more letters left in the alphabet, indicating
that you know, they would build another Enterprise, they would
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append a new letter at the end of its designation,
and that to me was like such a slap in
the face. It's almost like saying, well, Rick or you're dead,
but thank goodness, we have four more of your clones
in storage, so we'll just daw another one out. So
I mean, I wouldn't put that past our Trek. But anyhow,
I feel like I agree to me, the ship was
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a character. But it was almost to me this the
Enterprise getting destroyed almost felt less like less like a
character being killed because to me, I'm like, you can
take the computer out of the Enterprise and you can
put it into another Enterprise and it'll still be the
same Enterprise argically, because you know, Magel Barrett was the
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voice of the Enterprise, um and also many other characters
in the Star Trek franchise, as well as Jean Ron
Barry's wife. But um, it was a home to me,
and so it was for me. It was destroying the
connective tissue that kept all the characters I loved together. Um.
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And because they cared about it, I cared about it.
So I guess it in a in a way that
makes it as a character. Yeah, that that makes it well.
And and let me ask you this, I don't know
if you have the same emotional attachment or not. But
the Millennium Falcon, you know, fastest hunker junk in the galaxy.
The story goes that the original end of the Return
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of the Jedi was going to see the Millennium Falcon
not escape the Death Star, that it was going to
be destroyed and Lando Calarisian would die in the escape
attempt as a result, And so I wonder had that
stayed in Well, first of all, the episode seven eight
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nine would be very different because there'd be no Millennium
Falcon to be in them. But it makes me wonder
what the audience reaction would have been. I imagine it
would have been pretty dramatic to see because again, like
the Millennium Falcon also kind of comes across a sort
of a character. It's a cantankerous ship that doesn't always work,
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especially when you really need it to. And like Han
even is pleading with his ship in certain scenes where
he's asking her to keep it together. It Uh, it
really makes me wonder what the world would have been like,
what that experience would have been like had they kept
that original ending. That is interesting for me personally. The
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Millennium Falcon doesn't hit the same character chords and maybe
it's because there's not a family living on it. I
mean Chewy And not to say that Chewy and Han
soloarn family, because they totally are. And I know that
later on, other other characters become caretakers of the Millennium Falcon.
But it's not keeping an entire crew to get together
that I'm worried about being displaced or not being separated. Uh,
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it doesn't have a consciousness to there's no it's not
given a a voice in the more literal terms like
the Tartist is or Moya is or you know, the Enterprise.
The Enterprise literally has a voice, you know. But even
even the Tartist was given a voice at one point
in The Doctor's Wife um Or. Its voices and thoughts
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are narrated through other characters. The same with Moya from
Far Escape, where it has a pilot that can speak
your thoughts. To me, the Millennium Falcon is a really
cool beloved like nostalgic car. Okay, that's fair. I mean,
like to me, it's weird to me because I can
feel an emotional attachment to the Millennium Falcon like I
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also think about when they showed previews for the the
sequel trilogy, and whenever Millennium Falcon showed up on screen
that first time, people lost their minds, like, oh, it's
the Millennium falcon Um. There's actually one video in particular,
reaction video, where it's just it's a guy who's voice
pitches up so high that I almost can't hear it anymore.
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But I think about that, and I think it is
interesting because I don't feel any real attachment to any
of the other spaceships from Star Wars. I think the
Tie Interceptor is the cool one. I really like that design.
But I don't have an emotional attachment to an X
Wing death Star or Star Killer Base or Death Star
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to or any of the other versions of the death
Star that there have been. But no, I I I
think again, it's because the way the characters within the
fiction of the film react to and treat the ship
that ends up encouraging within me that same kind of attachment.
Um um. I guess it's also the journey that it
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takes you as the viewer on in general, because you
know people with their cars in their boats give them personality. Sure,
you named your car, No, I did not name my car, Kermit.
I named my car Michaelangelo was Zowski right, thank you
very I need your car, Kermit. Yes, regardless, three great
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characters in one sadly contake rous car now. But you
know I I will be sad when I get rid
of Mikey, but not as sad as when the Enterprise
blows up, or at least that first time. Like That's
the other thing is that with when Picard sits there
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and says there are a lot more out letters in
the alphabet, that to me is a huge slap in
the face because it tells me that they don't really
the characters don't really care about the ship. So if
the characters don't care about the ship, why should I?
And I don't like that, Like I think I told you.
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I can't remember if I told you this on Mike
or not last week, but I never saw Um the
Star Trek Beyond film because the trailers made it look
like it was another movie you where they're going to
blow up the Enterprise again, and I just had enough.
I was like, I can't, I can't. It's like watching
a good friend getting beaten up over and over. I
can't do it. I remember when the trailer story that
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came out and I remember you saying that I think
it is a really good movie. I also and maybe
I'm misremembering, so listeners, please forgive me if I am.
I feel like their decision to put the Enterprise in
peril was not one made lately well, and if I
call correctly, it certainly didn't hit me that way while
I was watching, and a lot of the people I
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have listened to talk about that movie like, oddly enough,
none of it ever got spoiled. I don't even know
what the plot is of that movie. For the most part,
I know teeny tiny little bits, but not much. But
the people who saw that movie, who talked about it
all seemed to really enjoy it. Even people who had
been critical of the earlier Abrahams films really enjoyed it.
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So it tells me that I need to watch it.
I just haven't made that time yet. And when you
do watch it, you'll have to let us all know
what you thought about. I will, but before I can
get to that, I will have to watch it. And
before I can watch it, we also are going to
take a quick break, and when we come back, we're
gonna have a very star trek e mash up to
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talk about so stay for that because it's gonna be
something all right. Arie. Also, um, our mashup is Star
(30:42):
Trek and something that we did not cover in our
news segment. One of the news items we were considering
talking about was the fact that there's going to be
a Winnie the Pooh Lego set. It was one of
the ones that was chosen from uh kind of a
crowdsourced approach to suggesting this should be the next themed
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Lego set, and Lego has agreed. So there's gonna be
a Winnie the Pooh hunderd acre Wood set. Um, so
we're doing Star Trek and Winnie the Pooh, yes, Um,
And I know that this has been This has been
done before in various iterations with the Shako when the
Walls fell, uh meme with Pooh and Piglet. But my
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least favorite Next Generation episode, well, you know it's a
it's a beautiful Winnie the Pooh meme, and and you
know there are various other iterations of Pooh and Star Trek.
Because when you have properties you love, you you tend
to ship them together. So the show exists. Yes, So, um,
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do you want to go first? You want me to
go first? Um? All right, Captain Picard has a problem.
He is commanding the star ship Enterprise on a mission
to the edge of the neutral zone to investigate a
distress signal. Approaching the sector, the ship's sensors begin to
pick up something strange. Captain, I am detecting photonic variations
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in the spacetime continuum, says Data, probably or something like that.
Can we try to reverse the polarity? Asks Riker, Reverse
the polarity of what? Asks Data. Riker looks embarrassed and
leaves the bridge to go practice saxophone or something. Picard
looks to Data Analysis Mr. Data. Before Data can answer,
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the ship is rocked, and we know that because everyone
in camera frame jerks around a lot. Captain says Data.
It seems as though a wormhole is pulling us into it.
Reverse course, full power, says Piccard. I I Captain says
ins and crusher shut up. Wesley says Picard. Captain, there
appears to be no effect, says Data. Before you can
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finish this thought, the ship enters through the wormhole and
thing go all wibbly wobbly, but not timey. Whymy, when
everything goes normal, Data says Captain. We are through coordinates, Mr. Data,
says Picard. I am not certain, Captain. It appears as
though we are in uncharted territory. Data's console beeps, I
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am detecting a large ship. On screen, says Picard. Should
we raise shields, Sir, asks Riker. I thought you left
to practice the saxophone, says Picard. You forgot that the
writer is a hack, says Riker. On the screen appears
a massive ship, larger than a borg cube. It is
golden in color and so large that it fills the screen.
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The crew can't even see the edges of it. Captain,
we are being hailed, says Warf. On screen says Picard,
and then we see the bridge of another ship, sitting
in the captain's chair as at Chubby Little Cubby, all
stuffed with bluff. I am Captain Winnie the Pooh of
starship Honeypott. It's a trap, says Warf. Not kind of
honey pot, says Winnie the Pooh. Please identify yourselves. I
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am Captain Jean Luke Picard of the starship Enterprise from
the United Federation of Planets. Our ship just encountered an
anomaly in our own part of the galaxy and now
we find ourselves here, says Piccard. The figure on screen
considers this for a moment. I understand, Captain Piccard. We
were on our way to investigate a distress signal when
we picked up some Why did you call them? And
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then on screen a tiger like critter shows up and
says a bouncy trouncy flouncy, bouncy photonic vibration of the
spacetime continuum, thank you, Science Officer Tigger. Picard says, we too,
were investigating a similar distress call. In our ship's sensors
also picked up that thing you just said. It appears
it was in fact a trap. I told you, shouts Warf. No, no,
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not not that bit, wharf. The bit about the distress
call was the trap, says Picard. Captain says data, I
am detecting a pair of uncloaking ships off the starbroad Bow.
I was going to say the same things as a
voice off screen on Captain the Poo's ship. Thank you,
Officer Piglet, says Captain the Pooh. The screen shifts and
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now we see two evil looking purple ships up here,
all hazy and wobbly and stuff. It's the Heffalumps and Woozles,
says Winnie the Pooh. Captain Picard, you must escape. We
will hold them off. I cannot leave you, says Piccard.
We red shirts have to stick together. What follows is
a spectacular battle between the Heffalump Ship, the Woozle Ship,
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and the Starship honey Pott. The Enterprise gets in a
few good hits too, and a riker even gets to
reverse the polarity on something. Rather than running, Piccard stands
with his newfound ally and together they turned back the attack. Afterward,
Captain the Pooh thanks the rest the crew of the
Enterprise for their bravery and wishes them well. How could
we ever repay you for the kindness you have shown us,
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says Captain Piccard. Honey yells Winnie the Pooh, and should
you ever pass the sector again, look us up. Our
base is in the hundred acre would acknowledged, says Picard.
He turns to ins and Crush and says, set a
course through the wormhole, engage and shut up leslie. The
end that was so happy. It's such a change of
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pace from your normal mash up. I considered having everyone die,
but but I thought i'd go easy this week. Listen,
last week and this week you've been uh keeping it
pretty positive. I'm proud of you. I always love your
I always love your mashups though, whether they are light
or dark side. Um mine is pretty light too. So
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I just want to preface this with uh, I know
that this is not exactly completely cannon, but it's my mashup.
So deal with Low Putas and the House at Cube Corners.
After the Board lost Sean Luke from their collective Jean Luccard,
the captain of the Enterprise, they began analyzing how he
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escaped and how they could keep such things from happening again.
Scouring his database that they created when they assimilated him,
they found something interesting a book in a dark recess
of John Luke's memories, an ancient book entitled Who and
thy Psychologists. Apparently Pickard had once read this book as
a part of his Ancient Philosophies class, and through this
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ancient text, the Board developed an algorithm, the Christopher Robin algorithm,
to analyze in pinpoint human psyche anomalies such as O, C, D, A,
D H D anxiety and the such, and then correct
any possible mental diversions before they ever happened. However, what
they didn't know was that this was a virus planted
in John Luke's brain to bring them down. And soon
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they had to know everything they could about Who and
his Corners. And that's when the boards Christopher Robin algorithm
pinpointed their quest for perfectionism as a glitch in their
own system. The more they tried to fix this glitch
in an effort to become perfect, less they cared about
their perfection and in turn, about assimilation, until finally, by accident,
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they had programmed that's the right word out all seemingly
uncaring thoughts from their hive mind and shape themselves into
the classic beloved and loving children's characters. And that is
how the Boord assimilated themselves into caring for the galaxy. Now,
intelligent life from all over goes to the house at
Cube Corners to work on their problems and become better people.
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See this is this is funny because I already already
suspected that borg were just a bunch of pooh heads.
They I mean, they are, so you've got this. Yours
is even sweeter than mine was. Mine is just silly.
I wanted. So one of my initial reactions, which would
have been much darker, was the fact that Winnie the
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Poo's shirt, the Disney version of Winnie the Pooh, his
shirt is red, right, So it made me want to
do a Star Trek original series crossover because we know
what happens to red shirts in the original series. Yeah,
they are there, cannon fodder. I UM, I had a
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whole bunch of ideas of the way I wanted this
to go, and then I just thought about how Star
Trek deals with a lot of like emotional and psychological
and psychology and things like that, um in an effort
to to create a better universe. Uh, And there is
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this book Who and the Psychologists, and you know the
Towel show, and and like disorders in in the Winnie
the Pooh characters. They are all of these studies on how, um,
like Piglet has anxiety and he or has depression, and
who has an eating disorder? And so all of these
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studies on how it's kind of a of people to
learn how to cope with these struggles that they're going
on in a in a super like child friendly way. Well,
it's also it's also just it's challenging to write a
mashup of Pooh that's going to have crazy amounts of
conflict in it, because that's not really what Winne the
Pooh is about, right, It's about friendship, and like, yeah,
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there are little adventures and little adversities that the characters
have to go through, but there's not a ton of conflict.
Although you could argue Gene Roddenberry wanted the same thing
with Star Trek. He wanted all conflict to become external
conflict because he wanted the characters on the starship to
have reached a level of compatibility where there was never
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any conflict between crewmates. It was something that a lot
of the writers for Star Trek actually struggled with, because
how do you keep a show interesting if everyone always
gets along together? Just fine? Yeah, Well, I'm I feel
like they did a pretty good job with it. You know,
you can because you have to relate to media to
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to enjoy it. And I feel like they made the
characters relatable in their faults well. And and eventually, after
run Berry's passing, there was a little bit more of
a of a relaxed take on that, so you could
have at least some temporary uh, tension between characters. It
might not be something that like, you wouldn't have two
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characters who just hate each other's guts. That still didn't happen,
but you might have characters who occasionally have issues working
with one another. So it did evolve eventually on on
the show. Well, I think that that was a very
sweet way to end this episode. And if people want
to get in touch with us, maybe give us their
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suggestions for Star Trek and Winnie the Pooh crossover or
maybe other crossovers we should do, or just maybe a
topic we should talk about. How would they get in
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on a high note, so uh, until next time. I
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am Ariel almost made Tigger a klingon casting, and I
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about them. I'm arial casting and with me as always
is beloved friend and co host Jonathan Strickland. Hey, there's
space cadet. I got a question for you. What is
your favorite score, not soundtrack, but score or theme music
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for a sci fi or fantasy film or series. The
Return of the King soundtrack, so the the the music
from the Lord of the Rings, or just the Return
of the King in general. Wait, when you say to
the game, do you mean the rank and Bass Return
of the King or do you mean the Peter Jackson
return of the game? Peter Jackson returned to the King,
(01:12):
and mainly because Billy Boyd as Pippin sings his song
in it Um, which is just a beautiful song and
he performs it beautifully. Um. I like the music from
the entire trilogy, but I think if I had to
pick one, that would be my favorite. Okay, that's a
it's a good piece. I think that that score in
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general is very strong, strong enough so that I was
excited to hear it when I started watching The Hobbit.
And then I actually started watching the Hobbit, and then
the all excitement drained away and I fell asleep, as
Okay said multiple times, So then what is your favorite score?
What an unfair question to ask me, Ariel, I love Jesus, Okay,
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So if I well, I mean, like, just because you
play it doesn't mean you love it. Uh. I think
my favorite this is This is one of those questions
where I think, and I think it's probably true for
you too, areal, where depending on what day you get
asked the question, you might have a different answer. Because
obviously I mean, I love John Williams music. Right, So
(02:18):
I love I love Like, I love Jaws, I love
Star Wars, Raisers, Lost, Dark Close Encounts of the Third
Kind He's done so much. I also love Danny Elfman's music.
I love things like the music to Beetlejuice and uh
and things like that, or even Peewee's Big Adventure like
going old School. But if I have to pick one
(02:40):
kind of sci fi or fantasy, I'm gonna throw superheroes
in there. The uh, the the score for the nineteen
Superman movie Bom Bom Bom Bump Bump. That still gets
me pumped, like so much so that when I heard
it referenced in the small Ville show, I got choked up,
(03:03):
which was ridiculous for me to get choked up while
watching small Ville. It was because I think the first
time they played it on that show, they had just
one acoustic guitar plunking get out on what on? Just
a couple of strings, right, But it was so powerful
for me. So for me, music is one of those
things that really connects me with material. And uh and
(03:26):
that's why I wanted to ask that question. Let me
just mark that off my list because I don't want
to ask it twice. Well, if you ask me again,
I might say, like Bear McCreary or something like that,
since he did Lost and Outlander and that will start
Galactica and all of that. It's a good answer. It's
a good answer. So, uh, Ariel you and I now
live in a post One Division world. I'm so sad.
(03:50):
Yeah no more, no more new episodes of One Division
coming out, And we're not going to spoil One Division here.
We don't believe in that some people just don't have
the time to watch things right when they come out.
I know there were some people who are complaining about
not being able to binge one division. Well, now you
can do that if you have Disney Plus. But personally,
(04:10):
I really liked having that weekly thing to look forward to.
Um And I thought the I thought the finale was amazing.
I did as well. I I always have and a
little bit of lackluster response to like um bus level
(04:32):
fights and things like that. Um So I'm never, I'm never.
I don't know that I enjoyed the journey a lot
more than I enjoyed the combination of the end of
the journey. I guess I should say I find this
fascinating areal because you also really like Kaiju movies, and
that's all that is are just big booming booms booms.
(04:55):
But okay, but that's what I'm expecting out of it.
Um Also, I love the character development. I mean, if
you really get into Godzilla's psychic okay, sure, yeah, I
mean I've I've seen Godzilla on a couch before I
get it now. I think, um, I think they did
a pretty good job of balancing the uh the super
heroic Shenanigans with more dialogue which kind of revealed things
(05:20):
that were going on. But we don't want to give
anything away. But I'm with you. Like spectacle stuff, especially
spectacle stuff that is designed for the small screen, sometimes
has trouble living up to expectations. Um, you know, like
you can you can get away with a lot of
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other stuff on a really big screen, like you just
expect it when you go to see something like Avengers
or you know that sort of stuff. But I I agree.
I felt that the the action bits were the least
interesting to me, but that's okay because there was so
much other stuff that was really interesting to me. Um.
Not enough Cat Dennings though, never never enough Cat Dennings,
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I UM. I happen to avoid most spoilers. The only
fan theories I I ride were the ones I wanted to,
so I didn't really spoil anything for myself because they
were just fan theories at the time. And I will
say that the end did not end the way I
anticipated it too, and they tied up a few loose
ends in a way that completely surprised me. So and
(06:25):
there is one major loose end that's still there which
I am looking forward to seeing come background again at
some point. But yeah, no, I agree. I watched a
lot of videos about fan theories, um, none of which
ended up being right, at least not. Some of them
got bits of it, but not most of it. But yeah,
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I enjoyed it very much. I thought that it was
I thought it ended the way it needed to mostly,
and it makes me it makes me look forward to
Doctor Strange and Spider Man a lot. Yeah. I think
it is a really great introduction to Phase four Phase four.
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Something else I'm looking forward to, I think because I
haven't finished reading the book. Is the Netflix series of
The Talisman. Yeah, so The Talisman is h is one
of those books that that Stephen King did that um
is not a horror novel. It's it's more of a fantasy.
(07:27):
I mean, there's some scary stuff in there. But he
also co wrote it, so he co wrote it with
Peter Strong. Yes, but it's it's it's one of those
where again it's not a it's not an outright horror novel, right,
It's not like it or The Stand And it's got
it's got a it's heart A journey of a young
boy trying to save his his mother by retrieving this
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legendary talisman. But the thing that also interests me is
that the Duffer brothers are involved with this, and there
of course the The Minds and Stranger Things, And you
would think that like Stranger Things was so um felt
so much like it in many ways, like the the
presentation and the theming. It felt very much inspired by
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Stephen King. So this is kind of like going full circle.
Yeah yeah, now you know, like Netflix has had some
mother really good king Ish series. Lock and Key is
a great example because his son wrote that the comics series, um,
you know, Defferent House on Haunted Hill. So they've they've
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put out some really good King inspired series already. The
Deffer brothers have done great things with Stranger Things. Now
that I have watched through it all, I really enjoy it.
Finally watched howd you get past those first two episodes?
Eventually I got my husband pulled in and that's how
I was able to make it through because it does
gets scarier points. But I suspect that, Um, I am
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like a quarter of the way through the Talisman and
it's not a huge nostalgia train of a book. Um,
But Steven Spielberg and Duffer brothers. Also, they both really
play on nostalgia in the things that they do a
lot of times, and so I'll be interested to see
what they do with this. I think. I think it's
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at least fairly clear that the Duffer brothers at the
very very least hold Stephen King's works in fairly high regard.
So my hope is that that will translate to what
we see on the screen now something that I think
is interesting. I'm not sure how I fully feel about
it yet. Actually I know how I feel about it.
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I'm not so sure about this. But we have learned
that there's going to be some pop up Broadway theater performances.
So in New York, some Broadway theaters are going to
open for some very very limited special performances as sort
of a test run in the near future. Yeah, I
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think they are allowed to operate at thirty three percent capacity,
or with one hundred people inside and two hundred people outside.
Now they can go up if everybody has had vaccinations,
but how are you going to get that proven? Or
everybody has a negative COVID test um. I don't remember
(10:23):
which one I I understand. We both have friends in
New York who who live through Broadway. That's that's their job. Um,
and and so I'm excited that they might start being
able to get back to work, but I you know,
I am still very hesitant about going out and doing
things myself. Of course I'm not vaccinated. So yeah, well,
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and it's and it's just one of those things where
like the health officials are still warning us, right, they're
still saying, please, please, please, please please, don't don't assume
that we're through the woods already and that it's okay
to go out and do these kind of things. Don't
just assume that that's that's okay because people are getting
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vaccinated now, that now it's safe, because that's not true.
We still have thousands of new cases of COVID every week,
and there's there's just a lot we don't know. That
being said, Uh, they're they're doing it in conjunction with
New York pop Ups, the New York Pop Ups Initiative,
which has been doing some small events. They're keeping the
events unpublicized and unticketed, just to make sure that the
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numbers stay small yet, which makes you wonder how you
even find out about it. Like, I get it, you
don't want to announce it ahead of time, because you
don't want there to suddenly be a rush, right people
who are start for theater all going there at the
same time. Does that just mean people who are in
the general area are going to find out about it
like half an hour beforehand, like it's it's a It's
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a weird way to go about this, because in my mind,
if I were living in New York and I knew
that this was happening, I would be sorely tempted to
just troll Broadway all day, every day in the hopes
that I was going to get to see something. People
people do that for tickets all the time. Have sold
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out shows, right, but not not usually when there's a
pandemic going on. Not usually when there's a pandemic. Now,
it did raise an interesting, an interesting question, and I
don't have the answer to this question, but the Actor's
Equity Association is calling for arts workers to be prioritized
for COVID vaccines in light of this announcement. You know,
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restaurant workers are are being prioritized, and they feel that
actors could probably fall into that same category. I certainly
think that not just actors, but the theatrical staff should
all be prioritized if in fact they are to be
expected to do this kind of stuff, because they're going
to be exposed to way more people. And um, yeah,
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I just think if you are going to do this,
you have to protect the people who are doing it,
Otherwise it is unethical. So I definitely have my misgivings.
I will hope for the best and uh and I
mean I I honestly I also feel envy. I really
miss Live Theater a lot. I don't miss it enough
to put myself for others in danger. Well, glass half full. Uh,
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you know, maybe this is you know, a light at
the end of the tunnel in you and I will
get to go see Haydes Town soon or possibly The
Queen's Gambit the musical. Yeah, so it turns out Level
Forward is going to be making a musical adaptation of
The Queen's Gambit, the series that was on Netflix. Um,
(13:46):
it's interesting, you know. So The Queen's Gambit is not
just about a woman who plays chess. It's about her
journey as a person, dealing with family tragedy, dealing with
substance abuse, dealing with her own identity, her concept of
her identity, and all of these other things are wrapped
up into it. Uh. It's funny because the story that
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we linked to, which is from Slash Film, has a
fairly incredulous take, like I can't believe they're gonna make
a musical about this. I hope we don't see big
dancing chess pieces. And I'm thinking someone has never seen
the musical Chess. There has been a musical about Chess.
(14:29):
It's fine. It was done the music of ABBA, or
like two of the members of Abba wrote the music
for it. I was I was going to say, like
I put this in here specifically because when I read
the article, I'm like, okay, so it's going to be
Chess the musical. They'll just use ABBA music and ABBA music,
I say, Alba, they'll use Appa music, and it will
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be something new we've never ever seen before. But now
I know, I know you like Chess, uh the musical,
and I know you like Queen's Gambit, And so see
how how different this turns out to be. I'm sure
different enough. I'm sure there are many fascinating stories in
the chest. Well, it would it would have to be
different in the sense that you know, Queen's Game Bit
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was a series that spanned several episodes, and you're not
going to sit through an eight hour musical, so it
will have to. Boy, I haven't been to one in
a while. I might like usually a song can cover
like ten years span of time, so really you can
just cheat that way. We have one other story and
(15:31):
it is kind of we're gonna just spend a little
time on it, but it's a crazy one, which is
that Neo Pets, the virtual pet game that was like
a flash based game. There's now like a crazy black
market for Neo Pets. Yes, yes, apparently a while back
(15:51):
they changed up their art style and a part of
that meant that you could go and you could customize
your little neopets to your hearts delight, using paintbrushes and
things like that. Um this is all from the article
and not at all because I used to play Neo
Pets with my old room mate anyhow. Um So what
that meant was if you had an un um unedited, original,
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unconverted original art pet, that you had a rare pet.
And so people were finding out, you know, they wouldn't
log into Neo Pets for a while one because you
get busy and it's neo pets and two because they
have a lot of security issues and they logged back
in and find out that their pets had been traded
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without their knowledge. Now, trading in neopets is something that
could be done, but it was usually like the game
is not set up to trade pets. You had to
put them in a pound. You have to set it
up so that it was never something that was very
um well organized. But it's just it's so mind boggling
(16:56):
to me that this little flash game that I played
ten years ago has a black market that is making
news today, right, So it's yeah, it is kind of
it blows my mind because it just shows that people
will value what they value, even if that thing is
not real, Like it's a it's just a I mean,
it's just a drawing essentially, is what it is. But
when we come back, Ariel and I are going to
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talk some more about spaceships, because it turns out when
we started chatting about that last week, we had other
things to talk about that would have totally snowballed that
whole episode. So we're gonna snowballed this one. We'll do
that after this quick break that was my spaceship. Yeah,
(17:46):
I like you. I like your spaceship sound effects. I
like it a lot. So last week we were you know,
it was my question that prompted this, right, I asked
you what your favorite, uh spaceship was, your fictional spaceship,
favorite fictional spaceship, and we started talking about ships and
how ships can sometimes be a character in a story,
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sometimes literally their characters in a story, sometimes figuratively. They
end up being a character like it's they're they're treated
with the same kind of respect that a character might
be treated. And we just thought we'd talked a little
bit more about that. Yeah, So I mean spaceships that
are actually characters. You think about things like the Tartis,
(18:30):
which eventually had an episode called The Doctor's Wife. The
Tartis is essential spaceship. It's a spaceship and a time
travel machine. Um. After you asked me last week, I
did look that up and the consensus is that it
is a it is a space ship. Um. And you
know Moya from Far Escape, which is a Leviathan and
not the only instance of a Leviathan like creature being
(18:50):
a spaceship. Heck, if you go into the discworld novels
you've got, you could count the turtle that carries the
world on its back as a spaceship sorts. Yes, um
and and so we started talking about science spaceships, but
they're also sentience spaceships that aren't usually characters. Like if
you look at the Battlestar Galactica remake spaceships, they were
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slightly organic. They were kind of like, yeah, so they
would have guts, and I think there were some that
were you know, there there cylons. Okay, if I did
not know any of this, because of course I've only
watched the good Bellstar Galactic. If you look at it
as a different story, it's pretty good, you know, But
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but you know, cylons are are you know, it's that
whole debate of of what is what is human and
was not, which is a whole another bunny trail. We
can have our synths are people to discussion in a
later episode. Yes, but you know, it's interesting to me
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because when we started talking about it after the last episode,
we went from actual sentient ships two ships that had
sentient characteristics like the Enterprise, and I think that is
one of the greatest examples of a ship that maybe
doesn't have Maybe people disagree with me, an actual consciousness
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to it um still being a character with personality traits
and and being beloved and things like that. Well, and
so with the Enterprise in particular, I mean, you did
have the ship's computer, which kind of serves as the
voice of the ship. Although you could also argue that
the computer and the ship are two things that are connected,
but they are each independent of one another. You could
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argue that. But to me, the thing that made the
Enterprise a character was the way the other characters in
Star Trek referred to and regarded the Enterprise, particularly like
if you're looking at the original series, Scotty loved the Enterprise.
Like he he was almost in love with the Enterprise
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to the point where he got personally offended if anyone
made any sort of comment that could be perceived as
a criticism toward the Enterprise, and he would kind of
pooh pooh other ships and the Federation's fleet as not
being up to the caliber of the Enterprise. Right. So,
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for me, the Enterprise was one of those things that
was really special and uh in Star Trek three, the
original series Star Trek three, The Search for Spock. Spoiler
alert for a movie that's older than most of you
out there. But in Star Trek three, uh, the the
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crew of the Enterprise are forced to self destruct. They
they they set the Enterprise to self destruct in order
to escape Klingons. They end up taking over the Klingon ship.
They trapped the Clingons aboard the Enterprise and they blow
it up. Blowing up the Enterprise was a huge deal.
I mean, this was a ship that had an enormous
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amount of fan love toward it from the original television
series and the first two of the motion pictures. You
get to that moment. I still remember I was a
kid when that movie came out, but I still remember
people gasping and crying when the Enterprise blew up because
it was like a real character to them. And um,
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I might have mentioned this in the last week where
it got to a point where with the Next Generation,
I was personally offended when they started referring to the
fact that, you know, they blew up a couple of
those Enterprises, and Picard at one point even says there
are a lot more letters left in the alphabet, indicating
that you know, they would build another Enterprise, they would
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append a new letter at the end of its designation,
and that to me was like such a slap in
the face. It's almost like saying, well, Rick or you're dead,
but thank goodness, we have four more of your clones
in storage, so we'll just daw another one out. So
I mean, I wouldn't put that past our Trek. But anyhow,
I feel like I agree to me, the ship was
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a character. But it was almost to me this the
Enterprise getting destroyed almost felt less like less like a
character being killed because to me, I'm like, you can
take the computer out of the Enterprise and you can
put it into another Enterprise and it'll still be the
same Enterprise argically, because you know, Magel Barrett was the
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voice of the Enterprise, um and also many other characters
in the Star Trek franchise, as well as Jean Ron
Barry's wife. But um, it was a home to me,
and so it was for me. It was destroying the
connective tissue that kept all the characters I loved together. Um.
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And because they cared about it, I cared about it.
So I guess it in a in a way that
makes it as a character. Yeah, that that makes it well.
And and let me ask you this, I don't know
if you have the same emotional attachment or not. But
the Millennium Falcon, you know, fastest hunker junk in the galaxy.
The story goes that the original end of the Return
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of the Jedi was going to see the Millennium Falcon
not escape the Death Star, that it was going to
be destroyed and Lando Calarisian would die in the escape
attempt as a result, And so I wonder had that
stayed in Well, first of all, the episode seven eight
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nine would be very different because there'd be no Millennium
Falcon to be in them. But it makes me wonder
what the audience reaction would have been. I imagine it
would have been pretty dramatic to see because again, like
the Millennium Falcon also kind of comes across a sort
of a character. It's a cantankerous ship that doesn't always work,
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especially when you really need it to. And like Han
even is pleading with his ship in certain scenes where
he's asking her to keep it together. It Uh, it
really makes me wonder what the world would have been like,
what that experience would have been like had they kept
that original ending. That is interesting for me personally. The
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Millennium Falcon doesn't hit the same character chords and maybe
it's because there's not a family living on it. I
mean Chewy And not to say that Chewy and Han
soloarn family, because they totally are. And I know that
later on, other other characters become caretakers of the Millennium Falcon.
But it's not keeping an entire crew to get together
that I'm worried about being displaced or not being separated. Uh,
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it doesn't have a consciousness to there's no it's not
given a a voice in the more literal terms like
the Tartist is or Moya is or you know, the Enterprise.
The Enterprise literally has a voice, you know. But even
even the Tartist was given a voice at one point
in The Doctor's Wife um Or. Its voices and thoughts
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are narrated through other characters. The same with Moya from
Far Escape, where it has a pilot that can speak
your thoughts. To me, the Millennium Falcon is a really
cool beloved like nostalgic car. Okay, that's fair. I mean,
like to me, it's weird to me because I can
feel an emotional attachment to the Millennium Falcon like I
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also think about when they showed previews for the the
sequel trilogy, and whenever Millennium Falcon showed up on screen
that first time, people lost their minds, like, oh, it's
the Millennium falcon Um. There's actually one video in particular,
reaction video, where it's just it's a guy who's voice
pitches up so high that I almost can't hear it anymore.
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But I think about that, and I think it is
interesting because I don't feel any real attachment to any
of the other spaceships from Star Wars. I think the
Tie Interceptor is the cool one. I really like that design.
But I don't have an emotional attachment to an X
Wing death Star or Star Killer Base or Death Star
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to or any of the other versions of the death
Star that there have been. But no, I I I
think again, it's because the way the characters within the
fiction of the film react to and treat the ship
that ends up encouraging within me that same kind of attachment.
Um um. I guess it's also the journey that it
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takes you as the viewer on in general, because you
know people with their cars in their boats give them personality. Sure,
you named your car, No, I did not name my car, Kermit.
I named my car Michaelangelo was Zowski right, thank you
very I need your car, Kermit. Yes, regardless, three great
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characters in one sadly contake rous car now. But you
know I I will be sad when I get rid
of Mikey, but not as sad as when the Enterprise
blows up, or at least that first time. Like That's
the other thing is that with when Picard sits there
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and says there are a lot more out letters in
the alphabet, that to me is a huge slap in
the face because it tells me that they don't really
the characters don't really care about the ship. So if
the characters don't care about the ship, why should I?
And I don't like that, Like I think I told you.
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I can't remember if I told you this on Mike
or not last week, but I never saw Um the
Star Trek Beyond film because the trailers made it look
like it was another movie you where they're going to
blow up the Enterprise again, and I just had enough.
I was like, I can't, I can't. It's like watching
a good friend getting beaten up over and over. I
can't do it. I remember when the trailer story that
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came out and I remember you saying that I think
it is a really good movie. I also and maybe
I'm misremembering, so listeners, please forgive me if I am.
I feel like their decision to put the Enterprise in
peril was not one made lately well, and if I
call correctly, it certainly didn't hit me that way while
I was watching, and a lot of the people I
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have listened to talk about that movie like, oddly enough,
none of it ever got spoiled. I don't even know
what the plot is of that movie. For the most part,
I know teeny tiny little bits, but not much. But
the people who saw that movie, who talked about it
all seemed to really enjoy it. Even people who had
been critical of the earlier Abrahams films really enjoyed it.
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So it tells me that I need to watch it.
I just haven't made that time yet. And when you
do watch it, you'll have to let us all know
what you thought about. I will, but before I can
get to that, I will have to watch it. And
before I can watch it, we also are going to
take a quick break, and when we come back, we're
gonna have a very star trek e mash up to
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talk about so stay for that because it's gonna be
something all right. Arie. Also, um, our mashup is Star
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Trek and something that we did not cover in our
news segment. One of the news items we were considering
talking about was the fact that there's going to be
a Winnie the Pooh Lego set. It was one of
the ones that was chosen from uh kind of a
crowdsourced approach to suggesting this should be the next themed
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Lego set, and Lego has agreed. So there's gonna be
a Winnie the Pooh hunderd acre Wood set. Um, so
we're doing Star Trek and Winnie the Pooh, yes, Um,
And I know that this has been This has been
done before in various iterations with the Shako when the
Walls fell, uh meme with Pooh and Piglet. But my
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least favorite Next Generation episode, well, you know it's a
it's a beautiful Winnie the Pooh meme, and and you
know there are various other iterations of Pooh and Star Trek.
Because when you have properties you love, you you tend
to ship them together. So the show exists. Yes, So, um,
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do you want to go first? You want me to
go first? Um? All right, Captain Picard has a problem.
He is commanding the star ship Enterprise on a mission
to the edge of the neutral zone to investigate a
distress signal. Approaching the sector, the ship's sensors begin to
pick up something strange. Captain, I am detecting photonic variations
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in the spacetime continuum, says Data, probably or something like that.
Can we try to reverse the polarity? Asks Riker, Reverse
the polarity of what? Asks Data. Riker looks embarrassed and
leaves the bridge to go practice saxophone or something. Picard
looks to Data Analysis Mr. Data. Before Data can answer,
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the ship is rocked, and we know that because everyone
in camera frame jerks around a lot. Captain says Data.
It seems as though a wormhole is pulling us into it.
Reverse course, full power, says Piccard. I I Captain says
ins and crusher shut up. Wesley says Picard. Captain, there
appears to be no effect, says Data. Before you can
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finish this thought, the ship enters through the wormhole and
thing go all wibbly wobbly, but not timey. Whymy, when
everything goes normal, Data says Captain. We are through coordinates, Mr. Data,
says Picard. I am not certain, Captain. It appears as
though we are in uncharted territory. Data's console beeps, I
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am detecting a large ship. On screen, says Picard. Should
we raise shields, Sir, asks Riker. I thought you left
to practice the saxophone, says Picard. You forgot that the
writer is a hack, says Riker. On the screen appears
a massive ship, larger than a borg cube. It is
golden in color and so large that it fills the screen.
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The crew can't even see the edges of it. Captain,
we are being hailed, says Warf. On screen says Picard,
and then we see the bridge of another ship, sitting
in the captain's chair as at Chubby Little Cubby, all
stuffed with bluff. I am Captain Winnie the Pooh of
starship Honeypott. It's a trap, says Warf. Not kind of
honey pot, says Winnie the Pooh. Please identify yourselves. I
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am Captain Jean Luke Picard of the starship Enterprise from
the United Federation of Planets. Our ship just encountered an
anomaly in our own part of the galaxy and now
we find ourselves here, says Piccard. The figure on screen
considers this for a moment. I understand, Captain Piccard. We
were on our way to investigate a distress signal when
we picked up some Why did you call them? And
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then on screen a tiger like critter shows up and
says a bouncy trouncy flouncy, bouncy photonic vibration of the
spacetime continuum, thank you, Science Officer Tigger. Picard says, we too,
were investigating a similar distress call. In our ship's sensors
also picked up that thing you just said. It appears
it was in fact a trap. I told you, shouts Warf. No, no,
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not not that bit, wharf. The bit about the distress
call was the trap, says Picard. Captain says data, I
am detecting a pair of uncloaking ships off the starbroad Bow.
I was going to say the same things as a
voice off screen on Captain the Poo's ship. Thank you,
Officer Piglet, says Captain the Pooh. The screen shifts and
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now we see two evil looking purple ships up here,
all hazy and wobbly and stuff. It's the Heffalumps and Woozles,
says Winnie the Pooh. Captain Picard, you must escape. We
will hold them off. I cannot leave you, says Piccard.
We red shirts have to stick together. What follows is
a spectacular battle between the Heffalump Ship, the Woozle Ship,
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and the Starship honey Pott. The Enterprise gets in a
few good hits too, and a riker even gets to
reverse the polarity on something. Rather than running, Piccard stands
with his newfound ally and together they turned back the attack. Afterward,
Captain the Pooh thanks the rest the crew of the
Enterprise for their bravery and wishes them well. How could
we ever repay you for the kindness you have shown us,
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says Captain Piccard. Honey yells Winnie the Pooh, and should
you ever pass the sector again, look us up. Our
base is in the hundred acre would acknowledged, says Picard.
He turns to ins and Crush and says, set a
course through the wormhole, engage and shut up leslie. The
end that was so happy. It's such a change of
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pace from your normal mash up. I considered having everyone die,
but but I thought i'd go easy this week. Listen,
last week and this week you've been uh keeping it
pretty positive. I'm proud of you. I always love your
I always love your mashups though, whether they are light
or dark side. Um mine is pretty light too. So
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I just want to preface this with uh, I know
that this is not exactly completely cannon, but it's my mashup.
So deal with Low Putas and the House at Cube Corners.
After the Board lost Sean Luke from their collective Jean Luccard,
the captain of the Enterprise, they began analyzing how he
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escaped and how they could keep such things from happening again.
Scouring his database that they created when they assimilated him,
they found something interesting a book in a dark recess
of John Luke's memories, an ancient book entitled Who and
thy Psychologists. Apparently Pickard had once read this book as
a part of his Ancient Philosophies class, and through this
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ancient text, the Board developed an algorithm, the Christopher Robin algorithm,
to analyze in pinpoint human psyche anomalies such as O, C, D, A,
D H D anxiety and the such, and then correct
any possible mental diversions before they ever happened. However, what
they didn't know was that this was a virus planted
in John Luke's brain to bring them down. And soon
(37:43):
they had to know everything they could about Who and
his Corners. And that's when the boards Christopher Robin algorithm
pinpointed their quest for perfectionism as a glitch in their
own system. The more they tried to fix this glitch
in an effort to become perfect, less they cared about
their perfection and in turn, about assimilation, until finally, by accident,
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they had programmed that's the right word out all seemingly
uncaring thoughts from their hive mind and shape themselves into
the classic beloved and loving children's characters. And that is
how the Boord assimilated themselves into caring for the galaxy. Now,
intelligent life from all over goes to the house at
Cube Corners to work on their problems and become better people.
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See this is this is funny because I already already
suspected that borg were just a bunch of pooh heads.
They I mean, they are, so you've got this. Yours
is even sweeter than mine was. Mine is just silly.
I wanted. So one of my initial reactions, which would
have been much darker, was the fact that Winnie the
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Poo's shirt, the Disney version of Winnie the Pooh, his
shirt is red, right, So it made me want to
do a Star Trek original series crossover because we know
what happens to red shirts in the original series. Yeah,
they are there, cannon fodder. I UM, I had a
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whole bunch of ideas of the way I wanted this
to go, and then I just thought about how Star
Trek deals with a lot of like emotional and psychological
and psychology and things like that, um in an effort
to to create a better universe. Uh, And there is
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this book Who and the Psychologists, and you know the
Towel show, and and like disorders in in the Winnie
the Pooh characters. They are all of these studies on how, um,
like Piglet has anxiety and he or has depression, and
who has an eating disorder? And so all of these
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studies on how it's kind of a of people to
learn how to cope with these struggles that they're going
on in a in a super like child friendly way. Well,
it's also it's also just it's challenging to write a
mashup of Pooh that's going to have crazy amounts of
conflict in it, because that's not really what Winne the
Pooh is about, right, It's about friendship, and like, yeah,
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there are little adventures and little adversities that the characters
have to go through, but there's not a ton of conflict.
Although you could argue Gene Roddenberry wanted the same thing
with Star Trek. He wanted all conflict to become external
conflict because he wanted the characters on the starship to
have reached a level of compatibility where there was never
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any conflict between crewmates. It was something that a lot
of the writers for Star Trek actually struggled with, because
how do you keep a show interesting if everyone always
gets along together? Just fine? Yeah, Well, I'm I feel
like they did a pretty good job with it. You know,
you can because you have to relate to media to
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to enjoy it. And I feel like they made the
characters relatable in their faults well. And and eventually, after
run Berry's passing, there was a little bit more of
a of a relaxed take on that, so you could
have at least some temporary uh, tension between characters. It
might not be something that like, you wouldn't have two
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characters who just hate each other's guts. That still didn't happen,
but you might have characters who occasionally have issues working
with one another. So it did evolve eventually on on
the show. Well, I think that that was a very
sweet way to end this episode. And if people want
to get in touch with us, maybe give us their
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suggestions for Star Trek and Winnie the Pooh crossover or
maybe other crossovers we should do, or just maybe a
topic we should talk about. How would they get in
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your fault. That's sad. Well. Uh, I'd rather end this
on a high note, so uh, until next time. I
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am Ariel almost made Tigger a klingon casting, and I
am Jonathan is only kidding. I love all of you,
and I greatly appreciate every single listener we have. Strickland
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