Ep. 327: Guns Rights and Case Law feat. Luis Valdes and Fred Conrad

In today's episode, Charlie and J.D. are joined by returning guest Fred Conrad, and Luis Vales, State Director for Florida at Gun Owners of America. Learn more about GOA by heading on over to their website, GunOwners.org.

The guys discussed everything related to gun laws in Florida, Georgia, and Alabama, and how judicial interpretations are oftentimes just as important as laws themselves.

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Episode Transcript

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Hand him went through the talent doorshow. I'm Charlie, I'm and I'm
Grant. We got then, wegot time out. We have we have
a room full of folks today.That's awesome. Yeah, this is cool.
You know, we got a LewisValdez with the Gun Owners of America
with us today. Say hello,thanks for having me on the show.

(00:34):
Folks, pleasure for what you do. See. Microphone works. We'll get
to you know, just kidding,we'll get to you just a second.
On weeking. Paul's over there inthe corner. He didn't have a microphone
yet, but he's later in theshow. And our old buddy Fred down
here in the chair. Yeah,I'm back right. Uh, we've been
trying to boost his chair up,but I think I think I brought it.
Yeah, I did this well becausebecause we are attempting to idio tape

(00:58):
the shows that if this were outand the microphone up there on that camera
is sensitive enough to pick up everything. So don't mumble the unless you're saying
something we don't want on the show, and then you can mumble we won't
building it. I'm not editing thatcrap out on Grant, get edit what
he wants to on the radio,on the YouTube or whatever. We end

(01:19):
up getting this thing stuck on,telling them like to slide slide grant of
fifty before we leave it. Yeah, man, they bring anything in here.
They stick me in this little bittyhitcher and just so they'd get that
camera on my ball spot. Wellsee you can't see what it sus,
But oh I get to edit that, so I get to do what I
want. I have figured out Iwas shooting some training videos for a local

(01:42):
shares off, so the day withthat camera figured out. It actually works
pretty good unless you forget to pushthe button. You spend ten minutes talking
about something, you go out andsay all over again genterally, I ain't
say it, better to saycond something. What's up? So there's six of
us in the room, uh huh, three of us with hair and three
of y'all out for the most part. Yeah, he wore a hat.
He covered up his shiny spine.Poor man's too pip okay, So you

(02:15):
know they got no response to that. I'd like to see Charlie in a
two pay That's what I think.Get him a blond wig, you know,
like surfer dude hair. I wasshowing my uh. Oh. Stephen
Stewart went to academy with me Chapolein nineteen ninety at Jackson County, and

(02:38):
he gave my wife an envelope says, this is a gift for Charlie.
He's a captain over Jackson SHARE's office. Opened the envelope. One of them
is a picture I've seen over theyears of me on the night of graduating
the academy, and the other onewas, uh, I didn't recognize myself
in the same night that just myhead was turned into and I had a
full head of hair, long hair, I mean, you know before its

(03:00):
long hair, and uh, butI said I was stuck my hair.
I was starting my hairline was recedingsignificantly. But I said I had a
head of hair, which was whenyou and I started working together. That
f that shoot, that's the wayI showed up. And I tried to
keep that head of hair for fora lot of years. You worked at
it, and I just give itup. I'm still you put it on
a cowboy hat, go roof front. You know, it just is what

(03:22):
it is that I don't know whatyou're talking about. I wore a hat.
They wore make up. You know, we think just gamble. Wonder
what you read of the roll thedice? You want to take that hat
of affair? Certain? Do youwant to take that makeoff air? Ma'am?
What out there? You see?Missed your chance right there to famous

(03:42):
Smokey in the banded line. Idon't take my hat off, but for
there whatever. Somebody had a birthdaythis week. They did, they did?
They did that you that would beI will tell you fifty seven fifty
seven hurts more than fifty six.Yesterday, Yeah, yeah, they came

(04:03):
up on my aid sent him ahappy birthday, and you said, tell
them happy birthday. I don't waveand talked to him yesterday until nine o'clock
last night. By then I wasready to go to sleep, so I
thought I was waking him up.I sent him a text and asked him
a question, are you concerned aboutthe g hot tomorrow? And and he
he called me, and you couldheally driving down the road on uh,

(04:24):
almost normally, but you were havinga final experience that the at the musical
at school. He had gone toa musical at his kids' school and was
uh just bragged and bragged and bragged. Yes, it's awesome, great time.
Yet I did costumes were nice,beautiful. She did a great job.
Yeah, took about half the clotheswe had at the house. That
uh turned him into costumes. Allyeah, see you Yeah, I got

(04:48):
Two things came up on my Facebookfeed yesterday. One of them was Charlie's
birthday. Same day. Apparently Iposted this a year ago. I might
like this this week's practice tip forlawyers. See, I like to help
lawyers. You know on my Facebookthat they don't teach in law school.

(05:09):
If you decide to deliver a discoveryto another lawyer in a case on a
thumb drive, be sure the thumbdrive actually contained said discovery and does not
contain videos of what was obviously anextremely fun night for various adults who will
remain anonymous. As far as mysecretary and I are concerned, I remember

(05:30):
that post last year on my birthday. I remember that one I never seen
any life. I have never lookedat that lawyer the same way again.
So, louis you this is yourfirst time in a studio, Yes it
is. You surprised to see we'renot doing this in a closet somewhere.
I'm quite glad and also the factthat the smell of old man and Ben

(05:50):
Gay isn't as strong as I thoughtit would be. Yeah, really,
you really went there? I hadto go there. Uh So. Lewis
was was a was a police officerhere in Tallass here law enforcement here in
Tallascar a while. And now heis the state director for Gun Owners of

(06:11):
America and what you also have PuertoRico and the I'm the state director for
Florida. I'm the outreach director forPuerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, and
I'm also a national spokesperson. Theylet you back in when you go to
Puerto Rico is Yeah, you know, they checked the path, dig on
us. I'm gonna dig on you. They checked the file support and you

(06:31):
got the name. So, Imean they checked the passport, checked the
fishes for it calls, they gonnacheck it closer. That's time you've been
in a g A. They probablycheck it real close. They try.
Do you ever feel like you gota target on you back? Actually?
Yes, one of my last tripsdown south to Puerto Rico, my truck

(06:56):
was specifically targeted off. Four targetswere slash They ripped off the into that
smash my windshield. Uh. Talkingto the parking garage attendant, they said
specifically, Yeah, they targeted yourvehicle because of your g oasticker on it.
That's great, Maybe that's fine.The fellow broke my lenders out in
Atlanta because I got that big fiftyb N people that on my radio antenna.
That might have been one thing.They just stole it. They ain't

(07:18):
get They didn't even steal the cookies. It was. Now when we traded
trucks, that was the only thing. Hey, I sent my truck over
there to trade. I need myantenna back. I remember that. Yeah,
man, yeah, you got abullet antenna. You got his Pride
flag on the back of it.Now I got to stop and go outside.
Look, I wouldn't put it passfor it, you know, turn

(07:44):
about as fair placer and you don'twant to play that game, lot us.
We got a couple of segments hereto talk about this stuff. But
what what uh you know your ownshow today. I'm sure there's some stuff
you want to discuss, and we'vegot some getting it straight from some it
is directly involved in all of ourefforts to help us with what's going on.
Is there anything coming up, anythinggoing on? What do you want

(08:07):
to talk about. Well, there'sa lot that's always going on, and
there's a lot that's coming up herein the state. We got a couple
of different goals right now. Wewant to completely get rid of the waiting
period. You have one bill HBseventeen, which it's a step in that
right direction. Sadly, to completelyget rid of waiting periods, we would
have to amend the state constitution.But what this bill does basically is it

(08:28):
ends it as soon as someone clearsthe background. So you go in as
a customer. You know, youcome in, you fill out the forty
four to seventy three goes through FDLISEFire and Purchase Program, it comes back
as an approval. Wambam. Thereyou go. You're good to go.
The waiting period technically ended at thatpoint in time. It's no different if
someone had the exemption if they havea concealed carry permit or a punter safety

(08:52):
Education certificate for the purchasing of along run. But the big goal we're
doing here in Florida is we wantto make Florida really a constitutional carry state.
We want to give open carry legalizedhere in Florida. And for your
listeners that don't know, Florida isonly one of five states in the country
that bans open carry outright. Theother states is Connecticut, New York,

(09:16):
Illinois, and California. And thefact that Florida's grouped with those states is
horrifically horrible, especially when they claimthat we're the gunshine state. We've we've
mentioned that on the show before.The Constitution is not being constitutional carry.
That's not where we are, andbeing group theme with those states as well,

(09:39):
especially Florida because we're no longer perple. I mean, we're dead on
one side of the equation. Butanyway, so we've got a little bit
of time. We're gonna come backin just a give minutes. Have you

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we had a little difficulty with acambridge, just decided to start. I
don't understand this technology is the brandnew He pushed the button. Now I
got Paul over there. He's watchingthat. Paul probably records his fishing trips
on these sides by a lot ofa lot of pro bass fishermen use two
or three of these things, andthey're both on their fishing tournaments or stuff,
just just in case they need proofof the proof of I caught the

(11:15):
fish, right Paul, that's right, he might he might be familiar with
good pros anyway. Well, goodapproach is pretty common. But I don't
I've never had the one that justgot one. I don't know how to
use it. I used it,and I used it down in Argentina when
we were hunting and got a fewpictures. But it's I don't know you
had a way back now. Yeah, I told you I got a GENO
point five or something the prove theI told you it was one of those

(11:37):
one. It's old and I don'tknow exactly where it's at at the house,
but if I find it, I'llbring it up here. How about
that. Let's get let's get backin the Trump Let's get back to Lewis.
Let Himp finish what he was talkingabout, and then Fred's sitting over
here with some cape case law andstuff. Probably see all Apparently today is
a court case in gun rights Day, which every day here it is.

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Yeah, okay, anyway, Lewisback to you. So open carry is
big on the list of what we'retrying to true constitutional Carrey, let's just
call it that, yep, trueunrestricted constitutional carry. And you and I
had a discussion when you first gothere today before the show about the whole
background check system and the delays attimes at certain times during the day on

(12:24):
background checks and how we don't dealwith that in Alabama because we're tied directly
in the Knicks. Yep. Sothere's some there are some things in our
system in Florida that need to becleaned up. That's true. There is
a lot of things in Florida thatneed to be cleaned up. And as
you said, constitutional carry, wewant to make Florida a true constitutional carry
statement. One of the biggest issueswe have here is we still don't have

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a right to carry. Norman v. State in twenty seventeen clearly stated that
it's an affirmative defense only, andit's a privilege, not a right.
So that's a huge issue, especiallyfor a Republican centric state like Florida that
claims to be pro gun, thatclaims to be pro freedom, that we
have the Supreme Court that clearly says, no, the citizens don't have the

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right to carry. It's only anaffirmative defense. And as we discussed,
there was an incident in Daytona Beachwhere this past June, a gentleman was
protecting his six year old daughter froma loose dog and all he had was
he you know, his kid wasscreaming. He comes out of the house,
he has his glock holstered tucked intohis waistband. He didn't have a
shirt. On Daytona Beach PD arrivedto do a mental wearlfare check of the

(13:35):
neighbor, the owner of the loosedog, and all he says is,
hey, get this dog under control, as he's trying to protect his daughter.
The gun's not drawn, he's notbrandishing, he's not pointing it.
They immediately stuff him and cuff himand charged him with open carrying in his
own front yard. Your own casefor the the fallout later. I'm private

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property. I'm private one of thelimited exceptions that you can open carry in
for. They arrested them for now. Luckily the charges haven't been dropped.
But that just shows you how screwedup it is. Because in forty five
other states we have open carry.It's not an issue. Law enforcement isn't
afraid of it, law enforcement dealswith it, and as you said,
in other states, it's not aproblem. And going back to other states,

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Florida also has an issue when itcomes to background checks. Under the
federal system, you could have what'scalled skip nicks, which if the Florida
Concealed Carry permit card was abiding bythe federal system as a client. You
could walk in, slap your caron the counter, fill out the forty
four to seventy three background form,and you walk out. It doesn't even
need to be called in because it'salready been done. I think you'll like

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that. I think that is thecase in Georgia. If you have a
permanent in Georgia, you walk intoa gun store, you buy a gun,
you walk out, no background check, no wait, no fus,
no bust. That's how it isin Texas. We transfer guns in Alabama
of our Oathing store, and somebodywill saying, we do a background check
Jerry through the federal system, whichtakes literally thirty seconds on average. I

(15:07):
mean, I've never had one lastmorning minute in Florida. You know,
that's our heart down here. Itgoes through with the FDL, YEP,
the online stuff. What do wenormally waiting. It depends on the time
of day, Charlie. If youdo it first thing in the morning,
it's usually pretty instantaneous, within acouple or three five minutes. If you

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come in when the when the priceis right, or the Young and the
Wrestlers is on in the middle ofthe day, or if you come in
at five o'clock in the afternoon,but everybody's getting off work or whatever.
It may take hours. It cantake hours. So it's a system that's
supposed to be almost instant because allI do is checking a database unless there's

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a problem. It should be almostinstantaneous. And here in Florida, to
be Florida, the gun shines eight, we sure to have a whole lot
of time. Well, there's onlythere's only thirteen states. There's thirty seven
states that are tied directly into NICKS, like Alabama. There's thirteen states.
I thought it was less. Ithought it was less than that, but
it's actually our research. It's thirteenstates that go through a clearing house like

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Florida does through fd Elite, Andit's all the fd Elite people are doing
is taking the information that we typedinto the computer here and essentially cutting and
pasting it into the NICK system.That's all they're doing. You gotta wait
on whoever's sitting over there. Yougotta wait on that person that's watching the
prices right or working from home,doing their laundry, or feeding their kids

(16:37):
at five or whatever it is they'redoing at a certain time of the day.
And We're dependent on them to hitthe button to basically transmit the information
that we've already sent them, insteadof us transfer they had to me.
Once I bought a pistol and itwas four hours I had to come back.
Yeah, we have it running toothe next day. Sometimes that's just
send pingle home. I've had towait two days to take ession of a

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fire. And the most appalling thingabout it is Martin Luther King's had the
best. A right delayed is aright and denied. Yeah, and that's
what this is. This is allof this in Florida stems back from Jim
Crow bigotry when he had Democrats creategun laws specifically to disarm blacks and minorities,
and as a minority myself, Iremember talking to my father when he

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became a cop in nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy six down in Day County,
and the only reason why he wasable to get a Smith and Wesson
two inch snubnosed Model sixty four formy grandfather was because he was a cop.
And the only reason why my grandfatherwas able to get a carry permit
was because my father was a copand connected everyone else. Every other hardworking
Cuban daycount they couldn't get a careform, they couldn't defend themselves. It's

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ridiculous and usually, unfortunately so theminority of community is probably needs it the
worst. I was teaching active shooterand personal safety environ armed safety at a
church south side of Tall. Isaid, I long ago one of the
things that we do pro bono hereis an organization four houses of worship and

(18:07):
religious schools. And I made thestatement that you know, they were asking
about who can have a gun,who can get a gun? You know,
who can carry a gun, andwas playing the new law and as
it reads, and I got someraised eyebrows about it's that easy, and
I went, it's really not easy. I said, you need to understand,
and I reiterated the point that youjust made. I said, most

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almost every gun law on the bookstoday, outside of the stuff that's been
enacted in liberal states after some ofthe active shooter things in this country were
racist on their face when they werewritten. It was people trying to prohibit
people like yourselves in this room fromgetting firearms. When people that looked like
me, they wanted us to beable to have them, but not people

(18:52):
like you. So when you say, oh, we need to restrict law
gun, you're who they're talking about, not me, And you got a
lot of you. That's that's that'sI'm not don't you know? Well,
well yeah, I mean just understandthat it was not written to keep folks
like me from getting a gun.Uh, you know. We But now,

(19:14):
I don't know if they ever time. I think they changed the waiting
period for law enforcements. I stillwant the book. There's still a lot
of the books. So you walkin as a law enforcement officer carrying a
gun and say I don't want tobuy a gun. I don't have a
consumed weapons permit. You got towait three to the want. Now you
gotta wait. Now you you broughtup a great point racist history in nineteen

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forty one. And I am notmaking up his name. He is not
an extra from the dukes of hazard. Chief Justice Rutherford Buford Watson b.
Stone, Florida State Supreme Court specificallytried a case where white individual was charged
for carrying a fire without a permit. And this is the Court's written opinion.
On paraphrasing the entire opinion, butit was basically to sum it up

(19:57):
oh, I know of this law. Yeah. We passed this law back
in the late eighteen nineties early nineteenhundred specifically to disarmed blacks. We never
intended to apply against whites. Wethink about ninety percent of the entire white
population in the state of Florida iscarrying illegally. We don't care. This
law was written to disarm black people. And mind you, that is the

(20:17):
permitting system, the basis of ourentire permitting system to this day is based
on that is based on such racistbigotry and despotic tyranny to oppress someone they
don't like. And that's what guncontrol comes down to, is oppressing people.

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Words. He just he let bothbarrels. Do you know what would
happen to me if I went intothe court, say, wow, judge,
you know the attent of this law. But it's not that not white
client, this is a black people. I'd be run out of court because
they would cane me in the court. In fact, they would, and
they should have a hard time.Hitting is a smaller boys. Friend's defense.

(21:07):
Mar Heart doesn't have to work.It's hard to pump that blood against
grafty. Yeah, well, nowwhen do you keep pulling it. You
can try that. You think we'regonna idea you or something. I don't
know. It's just he was talkingabout credit card. In't there. I'll
run up front real quick. Yeah, yeah, I got one smacks out.
But the he gave me that coldpeace keeping up front. Now,

(21:29):
I went, I renewed my concealedfarm license Indy and you can do that
that, that is, if thed m V could take a lesson from
the Department of Agriculture. I wasin and out in less than three minutes.
The cart was still warm. Whenyou put there's still a warman,
I put it over. I wentin the other day to get my k

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instructor certificates and instructor certificate back,and walked in and asked if they had
an application. Twenty minutes later,I'm out in the door with everything turned
in, photograph fingerprints, the wholenine yards and the hero's fingerprint. He
said, you've done this before,and I said, yeah, I got
it, you know, and andwas out and I'm just waiting on somebody
to send me one. Now.It's just that easy. They really the

(22:15):
process is fast, its efficient.But I was just the way that they
got their ducks in a row atthat place. Well, you still you
know, we got it where youdon't have to have a permit now to
carry I'd like the fact that westill can still get a permit for the
purposes of going to the states thatdon't recognize that's what anyway, queerly back

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hour segment, Lewis, just soyou're not confused. We do four segments
of the show for Tyler hassee Market, and then at the bottom of the

(23:42):
hour we have five minutes with noadvertisers and the oath in the market,
So we just run our mouths forfive minutes. That's what we do.
Have something coming up. I thinkit's the next next weekend. This show
airs on what the fourteenth plus seven, so twenty one. Anyway, next

(24:03):
weekend next Saturday, the twenty first, twenty say whatever. Is the Endless
Summer Bash I think they call it. Yeah, drew in them and it's
the biggest gun match at the rangeup there other than some of the bigger
us but this is a big USPSeight thing. Ain't like one hundred and
twenty shooters on this thing or twohundred and twenty or something like that.

(24:26):
So hold, it's a whole bunchand I don't go up there because it's
just it just too many people.But the range is open next weekend.
They're gonna be setting a match upall week if you're interested in this kind
of thing. It is full.It was full like two days after Drew
announced it, the match filled up. He added like twenty more positions.
That took two hours filled that up. Are they using the new bays the

(24:48):
new competition, but they're using thenew competition bays or using the middle of
bays, and they're using one ortwo of the front days we call them.
I think they're called alphabase, Idon't know, but it's it's not
it's not affecting our our daily shootersor our members coming out and it's come
out and side rifles in side riflesin one hundred. The four hundred yard

(25:11):
range is wide open. I thinkthe hundred yard range is still open.
So it doesn't affect our regular customers. But it's a huge event to giving
away a bunch of gun certificates andon. If you get into usps A
shooting, this is definitely something youshould look at because it's a very large
match. These are pistol shooters,yes, yeah, a guy like people
drawing. This is the This isthe one where they'll set up a course

(25:33):
inside of the inside of the bayand you've got the screens that you have
to shoot around, and you've gotshoot don't shoot targets and moving and shooting
and reloading and moving targets and allthis stuff. And there's multiple different bays
set up in different ways for thematch. So we have we have them
in Talahassee as well. I thinkit's the first Saturday every month is the

(25:56):
USPS A match here or in Tallahassee, and then we have them in Oathen
try to two usp SA matches andtwo Steel Channels matches each month and both
and it's listen, this is abig deal. I mean, people really
get into it. It's you knowwhen you when you watch John Wick movies.
Yeah, okay, Well he goesand trains three gun, which is

(26:17):
you know, shotgun right, andthis is this is predominantly handgun. They
do mix sense to two guns stuff. I don't think they deal with these
matches, but they have some litcawpit car beings a different things. I
don't understand at all. I goout there and look, can I godom,
guys can shoot? I can't.Yeah, man, they can shoot
fast. It's the problem I have. It's my problem I have is I
live in a tactical world. Istill train cops, and so I'm teaching

(26:41):
people to go around the corner slowlyand methodically and making sure they're not exposing
too much and that they're doing sosafely. You don't do that in these
matches. You just jump out andshoot and cover. Cover is really not
a cover. It's it's so.It's a lot of it's a lot of
fun. It's real fast. ButI can't flip the switch taking it.
You know. I can shoot fastand accurately, but I can't move.

(27:03):
I can't move that way. Andit's not because I'm fat and old.
It's because I just my my braintells me, don't you stick that out
there? You get it shot.So it's not the ben gay, it's
not that's anything. It's volteering us. Yes, yes, the volteer and

(27:26):
you put it on your elbow.Yeah, I got some of that.
Well. I can tell you guysthis. You guys have been fantastic in
the growth of your range, becauseremember I was one of your first customers.
Yeah, when you guys opened backup. God, how many years
now, almost twelve and a minute. It's been a minute, and you
guys have grown exponentially. I lovewhat you guys have. I still keep

(27:49):
coming here and we're going to doanother retro wave match here by the way.
That that was a blast back intwenty nineteen before the pandemic and where
it's gonna be. Yeah, thatwas a fun match where they're shooting up
as we fred. You love thatdress up like Thomas Magnum and come out
and the old could guns. Youknow, not the newest, fastest,
coolest thing out there, but you'reshooting the cool old guns anytime. But

(28:11):
he that dress up, Yeah,he would have to be Higgins. Shna
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Yeah. We we waste so muchcontent on like we all have, you
know, an hour show with aboutforty minutes we're talking, and we spend
more time talking off there. Someof that may make it to the video.
If that thing works right there,we may be wasting our time,
Paul, it's work. It won'tbe the first time, all right.
So let's get back to Lewis whatthere was. There's some stuff going on

(30:30):
with g u A and the federallegislation, the federal court cases. Let's
get into that because we won't talkafraid about this case. He's got right.
There is a lot going on federally. As you're aware, we've fighting
in New York were fighting in Oregon, Washington State, Mexico, California,
and so on and so forth.We're of course fighting the Biden administration and
they're ruling against the Brave Spam intheir attempt for ATF to completely reclassify what

(30:55):
a for, who what an FFLis, and who needs to get a
back round check. How they're tryingto usurp our rights and push your universal
background checks. So we are fightingthat tooth and nail. One of the
big cases that's going on right nowis of course the Braceman and we filed
a case. I know other organizationshave filed cases. But one of the
biggest things about this, and oneof the biggest threats about this, is

(31:18):
the fact that the Biden administration has, through an executive order basically a FIAT,
has ordered ATF to completely usurp therights that Congress has. Congress is
what creates laws. You know,I've watching how Bill becomes law from the
Schoolhouse Rocks as a kid, andit's very simple. It goes through both

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it goes through both chambers of Congress, it gets voted on, it gets
written up, it gets passed,and goes to the President. He signs
into law. Well, Biden,all he's doing. He's telling AJM,
hey reinterpret the law and do whateverthe heck I want. And that ain't
right. And that's why Gio isfighting this tooth and nail and Fred here,
I know Fred is covering some ofthe stuff too. That organizationally we're

(32:06):
joining and other good folks are fightingin this fight because look, our national
model is very simple. E plurvissumedthem out of them anyone. And as
gun owners, we all call us. We all come together, and we
all fight this good fight together.What you got So I'm looking at this
is the recent decision. It wason the news. I think this is
an order from October fourth out inTexas. I want to say, I

(32:29):
saw it on the news last weekor the week before. We finally made
it in the news. This isThis is judge out in Texas and Fort
Worth, Ried O'Connors. His nameis the Federal District judge and he just
basically told I mean, he slappedthe Biden administration like through the roof with
this order. What this is isthis a ployminary injunction. So you got

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these two guys that are represented bythe Texas Gun Rights Association National Siation for
Gun Rights. They're both members ofthis, and so they got guns with
pistol brew pistols with braces. Ok, I've got one. So they file
an action in federal court saying,hey, we want a declaratory judgment that

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this is unconstitutional. They have standingbecause they could be prosecuted criminally for having
an unregistered pistol brace. And thefirst thing they do is file for a
preliminary injunction, which would say,hey, you can't enforce this while this
is pending in court. And thisjudge just said, you dog gone right,

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you can't do that. He said, this boy as unconstitutionalist gets.
And the meat of this opinion isthe part which says success on the merits.
So in order to get an injunction, you've got to show two things.
One I'm irreparably hard and two I'vegot a likelihood of success on the
merits. So there's an analysis here, and this is kind of a preview
for what you're going to get whenI think this judge ultimately is going to

(33:58):
rule that this is unconstitutional, andhe says, all right, one it's
arbitrary and capricious. Two you didn'tgive a single explanation as to why you
did this, and they also thisis this is something good that I really
like. Let me read this like, when an agency changes course, as

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the ATF did here, it mustbe cognizant that long standing policies have engendered
serious reliance interests that must be takeninto account. That's a tenet of law
that you have to consider and putthat in English. All right, you've
had this brace out here that saysdoes not make this a short barrel firearm.
You've had that for almost a decade. Millions of people have relied on

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that. Twenty million and yeah,twenty million have relied on that. And
now you just up and change courseand you don't even give a reason for
it other than you'll like them.And so he said stick that up your
you know, and said, Iloving the way he written this opinion.
Wrote this opinion, it really takesus. He probably read it. I

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love the way he wrote this opinion. It is straightforward, it's to the
point, and it's basically saying youdidn't do that. You didn't even provide
notice and an opportunity for public comment. You ignored the law, and who
do you think you are? Ilove that kind of discourse from the judiciary
when they stand up and say againstthe government and say follow the law and

(35:36):
respect the citizens. Second a memory, right, I mean, that's kind
of stuff that gets me off.And then I mean, I got the
hotphone, and we've been saying this. We've been saying this from from the
get go. They you know,it's they took an item that is that

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makes the gun less or more effective. It's not like they increased the cyclic
grade or the power of the bulletor any of that kind of stuff.
They just picked an item that wasI think, in their opinion, low
hanging fruit. They picked an itemand they said, yeah, we're gonna
we're gonna make these illegal. Nownow that the country owns that the citizens
of the country own, approximately somewherearound twenty million of them have been sold

(36:23):
to the public. I still seethem on customers guns coming in the door,
the hey, my part is broke, or I want to change this,
and you're like, hey, justyou know, we'd like, hey,
yeah, you'd need to take thatback out of here so that we
don't see this. The good newsis it is GOA members have an injunction

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specifically filed to where if you're aGOA member and you own am braced fire,
you're covered and you're protected from ATF'sintrusions on your line. Now,
is there a district in the countrythat applies to or is it the entire
it's the entire country and it andso far it has not been stated that
it has to apply to anyone thatwas a member out the time of the

(37:06):
internet. It's just if you're aGA member, which is why I have
a card in my pocket. Thisis I'm a g A member, so
I don't have to take the racersoff what I'm going to be leading here
with a g A member. Yeah, yeah, it's real simple. It's
just twenty five bucks a year.Folks, I got some money in my
pocket. I sent you four timesthat just because I was happy about what
you India. Here's here's one hundreddollars. So what do you think the

(37:29):
chances are less of a Republican cominginto the next presidential election turning around and
telling the ATUF to pounce Sam thatthat changes, you know, that's a
very good question. It depends onwho the Republican will be. But if
it's one of the good Republicans,I think we have a shot. Yeah,

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well that's let's hope. Let's hope. So the thing about races,
and this is my opinion on allright, so you it's not it's a
pistol by definition, okay, let'sit's designed to be a handle environed with
one hand. Okay, that wasa definition of pistol. The brace makes
it very possible to do so,but it's not as concealable as a small

(38:14):
handgun, you know, like ablock nineteen or something. It's not as
concealable as that. So if you'retalking about handguns, you know you're trying
to well, you know, thedangerous. Yeah, but I can.
I can hide a three eight inmy pocket a lot easier, and I
can hide this thing. And theflip side is is if you compare it
to a true rifle, most ofthese have shortened barrels, which reduces the

(38:36):
terminal ballistic capability of that. Soit makes it less dangerous, it penetrates
less. So I see it asmarginal on both sides. If you're looking
for something concealable, it's not asconcealable as a true what you would consider
a traditional handgun. If you're lookingfor something as powerful. It's not as
powerful as most of them, asyou're traditional, So they're not They're not
any more dangerous than anything else onthe market at point. It is standing

(39:00):
on the other side of the guncounter. People bought them and built them
and had them so that they couldput them in a in a small case,
in a backpack. They're building.They're building what we call truck guns.
Yeah, a something better than ahandgun that they could shoot more efficiently
than a handgun. Uh, Andso they could put it in a backpack

(39:22):
and throw it in their boat,throw it in their camper, throw it
in their truck. Well mine,because I'm sure a personal defense weapon is
up. It is a personal defenseweapon, and that's that it is.
Just that's better than a three eightyin your pocket. That's exactly why they
have a special needs argument exercise onI need that. All right, Well,

(39:45):
this has been great having you onthe show. The next second we're
gonna flip over to Paul of thisand fishing stuff. So thank you for
coming out. Thanks again. Thankyou. Fred may stick around you want
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we had three hour you could havedone three hours here today. Sure,
you know when they'll ask us.A couple of years ago, Hey,
I think about doing a two hourshow. You and I looked at each
other and with we can't them upwith stuff to talk about for two hours?
Well, I think the secret isjust keep bringing people in here.
Yeah, yeah, that's a youknow, as much as is it.

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Sean Hannity likes to run his mouthHello rally on there. Sometimes he gets
all his guests in there and hespends must of the show talking over and
interrupted him the whole time. Butthen he uh, I get to the
point where I turned channel. I'mgoing, you know, you had these
people along, They've got a pointand make you want hush long enough for
them to make their point. Andyeah, I mean, you know,

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just every every once in a whilehe gets on a roll and I'm going,
I just can't. I gotta Igotta flip over them. Ms nb
C Lord, you know what Ihave been watching CNN and MSNB City.
Well, CNN satellite doesn't work onthem right now this week with this stuff
and Israel going on, I've beenwatching their channel to see what the other

(43:34):
side's saying, and surprisingly other thanall this pro Palestinian stuff. And I
there was a guy from Israel,former special forces. I was on MSNBC
with some lady last night, anduh, she's deferring to him on everything.
And then he made some statements aboutdo she go to, well,
hold on, we we can't forgetthat that that there are innocent people and
the guys are stripped and he says, that are that that cannot cannot leave

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and he goes, oh, they'vebeen they need to move and they're not
moving them, but don't move theirsubject to get killed, and and she
said, old, well you don'tunderstand that he's good looks hatter And then
I accidentally flipped the channel and thatwas a buffering or something. But uh,
they were facing to get the bonafide argument about that. Miss.
I mean, they're the people thatput the I call him Homas instead of

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Amas Fairing GPS. Yeah, Ilike homs to do. So, so
there the people that put homos inpower. Yeah, I mean they voted
okay, yeah, voted on themto be the governing body there. Well,
so I don't feel a whole lotof sense I'm sure that was a

(44:42):
real fair election. You voted,you vote here now anyway. That's that's
that's those countries that they put theirface, make their finger purple, say
I voted, and they cut thatfinger off and send them back. You
know what happened to you? Weapparently I haven't voted today. I like
a young guy, like a hundred. Anyway, Yeah, so how's how's

(45:05):
all this effect in the fishing.Actually, the fishing is doing pretty good.
That's weather is a little bed orrainy the last couple of days,
and I'm glad we got some raintill the lake's been low and it's been
about fourteen inches low jag. Butit's uh, it's rose up the last
twenty four hours. But man,I tell you the fish I've been biting,
it's going to get even better.Next week we've got the blows are
going to be in the forties.I don't even think much Your fred could

(45:28):
go catch you five hundred. It'sbeen some dry. My dock is now
a deck. If I want tosee my fish, I had to walk
out into the middle of the pond. It's uh, man, when'd you
build that deck? Well, thislittle cricket at the bottom, whether it
was underwater when I built it.Yeah, I mean, you know what,
he was a little bit sub stallout here with the gunners on America.

(45:49):
If you don't. I was thinkingwhile y'all were talking about that,
if we it starts there, whatif it comes to they start taking our
guns, They'll take our fishing rocks, the ability to go fishing. They
would remember their people who protest peoplefishing because they say it's cruel there.
People have gone out and harassed peoplethat were fishing in a city pond and
because they were pulling the fish outof water, saying fish a feelings too,

(46:10):
and emotions and all that stuff.I mean, these oh it happened,
they're crazy and they attack now listen. And I was having this conversation
with my kids this morning because wewere talking about deer and next show,
we're going to have somebody on fromf WC with all my chronic waste disease
and I'm actually bringing them in here, which by the way, I got
corrected at the FWC meeting the othernight. Again, between two thirty one,

(46:34):
west of eighty one and north ofI ten is the troubled area.
If you kill anything in there,you cannot. You have to bone it
before you take it out of thatarea. Here in North Florida, you
can't take it to a processor outsideof that area. You have to bone
it out, just like Georgia comingto Florida. So but you can't hunt.
You can't kill more deer in oneyear than your bag limit. But

(46:57):
you can kill all those if youwant to north about in in that zone
over there, not just in thatproblem area, but anything in that And
was that D D one D twoto one north of it ten? And
so they're going to come in andanswer the questions next time. But but
you know I was talking about,you know, we are trying to eradicate
some deer on our farm because allthe pharma's oy meanings just went away.
And so we had then some numbersover there, and I applied for the

(47:20):
permits to do so. And wewere looking at a this morning, a
deer and a set of twins thatwe've seen on camera across the road,
and I say, you know,it is it is. It's something that
you have to really you have towrestle with sometimes when you are harvesting game.
Same thing if you raise a petcow and that turns into Hamburg of
me. As human beings. Sometimeswe struggle with, you know, taking

(47:45):
one of God's animals and turning itinto but that's the way it is.
I don't really struggle with that.If I see a cow, I start
solving it. I mean, Imean, but you But I never I
had never had that problem with dish. But there are people that attached such
emotional t have a fish in atank, then they go out and go
I can't eat fish because I've gota goldfish and I loved the old six

(48:05):
months. You know. I goback to what my grandfather told me,
and when he was a boy bornin nineteen eleven in Washington County. He
said, son, when I wasa kid, you didn't see you didn't
see deer, the wildlife because therewere no hunting regulations. I am not

(48:28):
at all against hunting regulations, buthunting regulations have created more and have done
more good than they've ever done harm. And we've got more population of wildlife
and fish and everything right now thanwe've probably ever had since humans have been
on the planet. Because we tradedas a resource. We respected fishermen and

(48:50):
hunters that pay for a hunting license. They are the biggest conservationists on the
planet because we love the sport,We love the idea of being able to
go hunt fish, and we don'twant to see it harmed and gone away.
And if you don't allow any ofthat, if you don't allow hunting,
fishing, you get overpopulation, youget invasive species, you get all
of these other things that will eventuallyharm you know so much. You think

(49:15):
about nineteen eleven, so many fewerpeople than we have now, but so
much less game because it was therewere no conservation efforts whatsoever. Back I
mean, I approve it. Imean the fact that I can go offshore
and catch a group. It's proofthat there are too many groups, and
certain times of the year you can'tget a bay down to the group because

(49:36):
there's too many red snapper because weoverregulated the snapper. We overregulated snapper as
a stat or as a government forso long that it's harmful to other species.
If you don't have that as Godintended, you don't have people using
the resource that he gave us.I can't I can't imagine. I can't
imagine being responsible for figuring out whatwe need to be regulating where because a

(49:59):
lot of these ca ounts and studiesand stuff for random at that at best
a swag. Yeah, you goout, you go out a plantation.
We're going to do a quill count. It's plantation, and like Red Hills
or somebody that tall timbers, I'msorry, tall timbers will go out and
they'll come back and here's your quaillcount. Okay, Yeah, you just
do. If they use the samemethodology at each place, I guess at

(50:21):
least they'll get a comparison to thetwo. But I don't you know,
I mean, deer do you haveat your place? Well, I don't
know. It depends on did youcount at five o'clock across from my sister's
house when they were twenty eight deerharvesting, you know out there harvesting that
guy I saw it means before theycame up. Or did you go out
there, you know, at suchand such a time and see two over
there laying in the bushes. Itall depends. I know, all the

(50:42):
little one hundred acres of woods thatI hunt and that I hunt in South
Georgia. At one time this morning, on three different cameras, I had
seventeen deer on camera at the sametime on one hundred acres of woods.
Right, so upon Saturday morning,men Tater is going to go do something.
How these fish counts in the lake? Well, i'll tell you what.

(51:05):
Out of the the last four orfive years, been keeping up with
personal baths and had hundreds of them, and are different customers catching their personal
and most of all those fisheral release. Now I've had customers like, hey,
we' let to take a few homedeat which is there's nothing wrong with
that. You can catch some ofthe smaller fish with them. Bigger females
do like to release them. Yeah, sure they're they're making more, they're

(51:25):
making more product. That's right.You've been seeing a lot of snakes out
there that no I have it.I did go pulling none the big gems
you know where that's at the leave. And I had a lady that was
from Australia twenty fish wood, andshe said she had good baths, and
I took go there and dropped heroff. I saw her walking. She
walked up the knot, but shegot it. She jumped to her left

(51:50):
and I was like, what wasthat? And then I watching her.
Then I looked ahead in a bigold rattlesnake just swam right out from underneath
the october to some pushes on thebank. She came down. She said
that was there was a cotton mouthup there and tried to lunched that house.
She got s think here. Thatwas exciting. I was like,
oh my gosh. So the othernight, the other night, wife fell

(52:10):
asleep by the pool. Yeah,and I'll shave this picture. I found
me a little snake in trouble.This password of his phone. I just
watched the boy. I took apicture snake right here. I don't like.
I don't want to go in thatroom. Scary heat banded water snake.
Oh and so I took a textureto the next morning picture. That's

(52:34):
how I got to get out ofthe house, because I got to remember
that the next time I want togo. Do your wife got something playing
on? How much trouble you in? Wun't you let me leave for the
day? The question is can yougo back at night? Yeah? I'm
not he did. Jane's the dooron the bedroom, locking sleep on the

(52:59):
galloy. I lotted all the guns. All right, Well, look like
we're out of town. Out oftown up time time anyway, See all
the swit all that