Almost Famous In Depth: Jason Tartick

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.
We're back for another in depth podcast. Now to get
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(00:24):
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We're super pumped for it. But with that, let's go
ahead and get started. Ashley, how are you doing. I'm good.
I'm very excited about today's guest. I feel like this

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person has a lot of depth, so it'll be really
easy to do an in depth episode on him. It's
it's gonna be great. So actually, I want to give
you a little bit of a story here before we
get started. Uh, you knew this, but kind of when
COVID hit um I've talked about it that I was
experiencing a ton of envy and a ton of uh

(01:08):
insecurity in my own life, and I, you know, I
was really having a hard time and I didn't know
I didn't have like an outlet for anybody within Bachelor Nation. Um,
who was really one of the men to to to
go to right away? Because I obviously talked to other
bachelor's but sometimes like when you're like, hey, I I
don't feel like I have a lot going on. I'm

(01:29):
kind of struggling with my identity. There was like this
little bit of like shame inside of me that didn't
want to tell other bachelors about that, just because I
was like trying to keep up with the Joneses. And
I just happened to fall into conversation with Caitlin Bristow.
Um somehow, I forget how, and she I was telling
her this because I think she was feeling similar, and

(01:50):
she goes, you need to talk to Jason, because Jason
speaks so much truth to me, and I think he
would want to speak truth to you too, And so
I actually started texting Ajason uh. And and just let
you know, Jason Tartick is the guest of the In
Depth podcast this that this UH this episode, and he
was incredible to me, like he does have a lot

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of depth and I want to take a second here
and read through his bio. Uh. Jason Tartik is a speaker, investor,
and founder of Restart, a consulting company, vlog That's vlog
video you Know Thing and blogs centered around informational and
inspirational niche life hacks. Prior to his stint in reality TV,
Jason was a corporate banker. He earned his bachelor's degree

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in Business Administration from Sunny Genesseo and his NBA and
Accounting and Finance from the University of Rochester. As a
corporate banker, he executed over one hundred million of lending
two companies he worked with which all earned over twenty
million in revenue. Jason's business endeavors, coupled with his charismatic personality,

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has landed him co hosting opportunities on shows such as
Live for Me E, Daily Pop, The Bachelor, and Yahoo Finance.
And we all know that he's currently did in Caitlin
Bristo and he normally resides in Nashville, but while she's
on Dancing with the Stars that two of them are

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living in Los Angeles with their two dogs, So Infamous
Dogs Rahman and Pino g Peino Andrew Grigio pinot g
for you know the familiar to the podcast We welcome
somebody that we are ecstatic to talk to. You know,
for anybody out there listening, these in Death podcasts are

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hand chosen, you know. We we really take time to
consider who we want to interview and how we want
to interview them. We've had some great episodes in the
past that you should go back and listen to. I
think they're timeless. If you're a fan of the Bachelor franchise,
they're evergreens for us. They're evergreens for us. Well, I
believe this one is going to be one as well.
Welcome to the Almost Famous in Death Podcast. Jason Tartik.

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Hey eyes, how's it going up? Jason? How are you
good doing well? It's good to see you guys. I
haven't been on almost Almost Famous and like two years
to stop that. Now it has not been two years.
I actually feel like I can. I can think back.
It's been since the I Heart Podcast Awards. Wasn't that January?

(04:19):
So I beat you? Yeah that's right, Yeah we did
that quick one. I forgot about. Yeah, I forgot about. Man.
It's wild when you say two years to think that
we've been doing this for like way over there. Yeah,
I remember the first time I came on your podcast.
I was so nervous. I'm like, oh my god, this
is so cool. I swear I do. I remember. It

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was like and I was like yesterday and it was
over two years ago, Like where's time gone? It's just flying, man,
It's it is. Well, hey, thank you for coming on here. Uh,
this is always a big deal. It's always our most
listened to episodes. Um, it's a big deal to our
listeners that you would give up this much time just
to tell tell us who you are. UM. I started,

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and I want to start here and then and then
Ashley will dive in with some of the early questions.
I don't know if you remember this. I just mentioned
it in your intro. But um, a few months ago,
I was really struggling with a lot of like just
like wild thoughts, envy insecurity and whatever. And I somehow
fell into conversation with Caitlin I forget where and how
she goes you should talk to Jason. Um. And she

(05:26):
just told me at that time how amazing you've been
for her as a partner and as a confidante, and
then how great you would be for me, And uh,
you just sent me like one or two texts and
and I I didn't get to really tell you in
person yet, but yeah, thanks, thanks for just being a
dude who uh, who's a smart guy who sees through
it all and who also gets it um and then

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thanks for coming on here. It means a lot to us. Yeah, well,
I really appreciate that really kind words. I do remember
that too, when we had that text threat going back
and forth, and it was there was some powerful messaging
in there. But I think at the end of the day,
with that stuff, it's just when you see people in
your circles succeed and you're really genuinely happy for their success,

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it's just a it's a reflection on you. It's a
reflection on them and their success will will it just
bleeds energy into like a good way. And I remember
that conversation then, and uh, yeah that was I'm glad
we could be a part of that. And it's good
to be back on the show and talk to both
you guys. Let's get started actually taken away. Okay, so
we like to start out with your childhood. Uh, let's

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talk about where you were. You born in Buffalo, New York.
I was born in Buffalo, New York, and I wear
that on my chest every day. So, like tell us
about growing up in snowy cold Buffalo, New York. Um,
you grew up with you grew within a Italian and

(06:52):
a Jewish parent, and that was what my dad grew
up with. And it's some It's a household that is
full of food and feeding. Love is shown through food,
and there's also a lot of passion in those relationships.
So just like tell us briefly about how your childhood was, Yeah,
there is a lot of passion. I think about my family.

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It's like I always think like modern family, right, I
had gave brother growing up wish mother and then um,
my father's Middle East areas a little Italian and he
play's Catholic and so my mother's side to like from.
You know, I don't want to get into politics, but uh,
you know, definitely my parents had different views, and it's

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interesting to be in a family where people have different
views and have different sexual orientation and just grow up
and be exposed to almost as much as I could
have it, right, Like we would celebrate Hanaka and Christmas.
And then my brother, like I was always playing sports
growing up, and my brother just wasn't into sports. So

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you know, trying to you know, do things with my
brother to still will have a really strong relationships. Like
he would always come to my sports games, and he
was big into magic. So what I would do is
I would be his like his viewing audience before he
would perform, and so I would always look for like, oh,
how do you do the magic trick? And so it
was this such a what I would say, well balanced

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childhood to be exposed to so much at different times.
And I actually get I think about high school, I
get a little like emotional think about it. Uh, just
I could see you other times I was like the athlete,
the jock, and I think about like my brother being
picked on and and think about stuff like that, and
you know that that's tough. Um, but he was such

(08:40):
a strong individual and still is. And uh it was
just a special time. So he's three years older than me,
so like I was a friend. I just some bad
memories just came top of mind. But you know, like
I was a freshman on hockey varsity hockey team and
varsity soccer team, and you know, he wasn't really into sports,
so I was I'd always like see seniors and some

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of his classmates, and he listened. He was super well liked, popular,
But you know, there's still it's a that's a tough
time and a tough age um to be in, like
the whole position of like coming out and um finding
yourself in um you know at that age. So but
and and and and more in a positive spin, the
coolest thing about him isn't no matter what, he was

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just always himself. He was a leader amongst his peers.
And he's grown into like such an awesome guy, happily married.
And our relationship, while our differences and our interests and
hobbies are so drastic, our relationship just continues to get stronger,
which is pretty cool. I got I got two questions
there to follow up on that. So how old was

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he when he officially came out to his peers into
the family. So I think it was it was like
summer of junior year going into senior year. And you know,
obviously we sit in a time and politics are are
never there are no win game here. But we send
a time where there's a ton of isolation, divisiveness within
most people somehow, some way, and growing up in a

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household that your your family did have different viewpoints. Uh,
your brother and you didn't see things the same way.
What lessons did you learned during that time that you
see now? And and how did how did you see
your family interact in the midst of all of this
kind of I mean, I guess like disagreements. Yeah, I

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think it's just it's having What's so sad now with
all the divisiveness is it is now emotionally it's so
emotionally charged, as probably it should be. But unfortunately instead
of like finding common ground, instead of explaining positions the
way that I was always you know, um uh visible

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to like what my parents would do, it's become so
CombatID and so emotional. And I think the problem is
as things just won't get resolved when that's the case.
And with my parents it was while they have different
perspectives and they still do, it's always interesting to see
the respect they have for one another and the way
that they listen and communicate with each other. Right, it's

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not about winning the argument. It's not about talking louder,
having an aggressive tone. It's about like really understanding both
sides to see how a common ground can be made.
And um, yeah, it's uh, I think it's helped me
a lot with my communication style and also just conflict
resolution right, which is huge in friendships, relationships, business, almost

(11:34):
every aspect of life. To get a little lighter um.
But I also totally I love what you're saying. Your
brother you played a joke on him in kindergarten, or
your brother pranked you in kindergarten, and then you told
the teacher that one plus I mean two plus two
equals five, and then the teacher called your parents tell

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us about this. Oh yeah, So my brother was always
always really smart guy, brilliant guy, and always smarter than me,
always fool males, the most gullable kid. So he tells
me when I'm going to kindergarden, Jason, now listen, they're
gonna tell you that two plus two equals four. You're
gonna sound like the smartest guy in the classroom because
you're gonna you're gonna fall. You're not gonna fall for

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the trick. You fool them. Two plus two equals five.
So I was like, Okay, I got it, And what
do you know. I go up to the teacher and say, hey,
I know you're gonna do the lessons two equals four.
I know it's fine. Like with all the strength and
power I could get together on my first day of
kindergarten wearing a Barney shirt. But that's a whole different story.

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But that being said, I get the kindergarten teacher called
my parents and it was like, you know, it's only
the first day and we're having some struggles with Jason.
He's very stern and his thinking mom and that like
a sit down conversation with me. I was like, but
that's what Stephen talked me, and I said, I will
let them down to this day. That's for sure. Um,

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you were like a star athlete, as you've been saying,
was there any moment that you were super awkward, that
you were very uncomfortable in your skin? Yeah? I mean,
let's let's think about that. It's okay if you're always cool.
If you have to think about moments of you and
I can't relate, well, I'm gonna couple it. I was

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like when I was a kid, I at that awkward
stage and my parents put had those you know glasses, right,
and they they put me in like respects and then
the most ridiculous glasses that Caitlin still has her background.
Every time I call now, and I was the most
clumsy kid in the world, like I'll never forget. Ever.
There's this girl that lived on our street. Name was Julius.

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She was the pretty girl and she was older, and
she was outside on the front yard and I saw
her and she put her hands out Jason like and
like to give me a hug. So I ran outside
full speed and on the grass there was I'll never
forget this freaking rake. It was rake with a long
rooted wooden like wee can handle. I stepped right on

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the leg nailed me in the face. I start crying.
I'm bleeding. I didn't get my hug. That's the kind
of guy I was running into parked cars. It took
some time and then we we grew out of the
Hey a little bit of a I just want to
share a little bit of my history. Here very first
day of kindergarten for me, Jason. My mom is filming
me as I get off the bus. She's super super

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excited for this, and this video has me write a
purple backpack and I'm running down the stairs of the
bus and I'm so excited to see my mom and
tell her about my first day of school. You see
me miss the last two steps and fall flat on
my face outside the bus, just full like face plant,
arms spread, so so we can relate. We're good there. Wait,

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was was it this podcast that I told you my
kindergarten story with the rake? I don't know. Okay, So
to combine a rake and kindergarten. When I was about
to go into kindergarten, I asked my mom, Mom, when
do we you go out and buy me a rake?
And then she's like, why would you need a rake?
I was like, because it's called kindergarten. Aren't we going
to be gardening? It's incredible, so literal that's well. So Jason,

(15:17):
obviously you you found success early on in life, though
you did like the fact is you were an athlete
that blossomed early. You were a part of the varsity
hockey team, you were a captain of the soccer team. Uh.
I say this to say, like success and like you
felt success early on in life, how has that translated

(15:38):
to today? With the success you found is like a businessman, Yeah,
that's a that's a good question. I think one thing
for me is when I was like looking into what
I wanted out of my career, for me, it was
always athletics, right, And the beautiful thing about athletics is
what you put in is what you get out right
when you work out and you do your runs and everything,
you see the results. So for me, I always wanted

(15:59):
a career that would allow for that, and so business
development in sales was just that. But I also think
you have to have just a career in life, you
have to have like a sense of being grounded. Right.
There's always going to be someone who's bigger, faster, stronger, taller,
And if you're constantly benchmarking yourself against other people, I
think it's only gonna lead to um deeper insecurities that

(16:22):
are uncontrollable. And for me, it was like, I'm just
gonna focus on me, and when someone is better and
taller and faster and stronger, I can learn from that person,
or maybe I could befriend them, and you know, we
can help one another. Is opposed to trying to be
upset that I wasn't the number one score or whatever.
And I think I've translated that um through athletics, through
my career, and really through almost every aspect of life.

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Is like I need to wake up. I would like
to wake up tomorrow better than I was today. That
doesn't mean that I'm not gonna have a terrible day,
But if I'm not learning from that day so that
history doesn't repeat itself, and in my position, I'm not
growing as an individual. And those are some of the
things I think about when I when I go back
to the days of like travel, hockey and soccer and
all of the college soccer and all that stuff into

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where I have such a practical and positive way of
like of just setting your mind. How have you always
been like that? Do you always? Are you one of
those guys that is like I preach, you know, I
teach what I cannot do. Like what how do you?
How did you get that when you start forming that
positive mindset? Does that make sense? Yeah? I don't. I

(17:27):
think it's just like an early I think you have
one of two options in this crazy world we live
in that's only gotten crazier, especially this year. Is your
your outlook, just like the way that you perceive things.
And I can look at one situation and we can
have eighteen different opinions and perceptions of it. But to me,

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there's just only so much energy that we all have.
And I honestly think about like a funnel, Like if
I can take my negative energy from a tough situation
and somehow funnel it into positive energy to do something
good with it, I think, Um, it's just gonna lead
to more productivity and more happiness and just better energy

(18:08):
for you and the people you surround yourself with. And
so what I try and do is just take all
the energy, good, bad and ugly, and like channel it
and funnel it into something good to create a good outlet. Well,
you definitely are doing some great things. Uh, you're definitely
making an impact. Uh. It's awesome to hear about your
childhood and honestly didn't know the diversity that existed within

(18:30):
your family and the different mindsets. And it's a great
way to start a terrific in depth episode. Jason, we're
gonna pause here. When we come back, we're gonna walk
through your time on the Bachelorette and then moving into
what in the world you're doing now, which is a
lot uh, and maybe just maybe we'll touch on your partner,

(18:50):
Caitlin Bristow. We'll be back with Jason tart I on
the Almost Famous In Depth podcast. So before we get
into why you sign up for the Bachelorette. We like
to ask about your early on relationships. When was your

(19:11):
first girlfriend, first girlfriend that I could like friend grade.
That's very early for a serious relationship. Oh, we were serious.
We were making out, although we were making out at
this movie on the Animal with Rob. Yeah. I had
this crazy moment the other day. I interviewed Dana White

(19:33):
live and then after the interview, he went live with
Rob Schneider, and Rob Schneider was like, I just saw
you live with Jason Tarnik and he goes that guy,
I'll tell you what to talk about UFC. You could
tell that guy's never taking a punch. I don't think
he'd last. That's hilarious. I had the coolest moment with
Rob Schneider. He's he's a really cool guy in real life.

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Um okay, So you were like making out in seventh grade,
meaning that you were one of those kids that was
like so much further advanced that I was. That I
would be very nervous around them. I remember watching like
eighth graders be like pinned against lockers making out with people,
and I was like, I am so far away from
this big commitment. You know, we all moved in different phases.

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Do you remember her name? Yes, your name was Amy?
And how long were you with Amy? What did it
teach you about relationships? I was with her for about
a year and I remember, like, I mean that, you know,
kind of serious at that time. And uh, I mean
what did that teach me about relationships? That you know,
not everything is perfect and not everything works. Like I'm

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so young, I had no idea what's going on. Amy's
a sweet girl. Though she's doing just fine today, so
are you, Jason. She's but she's doing just fine. She's
she's recovered from that breakup. So any other relationships leading
up to your time in the bachelreat that are we're
speaking of? Yeah, you know I had I had a
very very SERI I mean to say that, but like
it was was my high school sweetheart. Redated for like

(21:05):
four years, and then I was in a really serious
relationship to before the show for about four or four
and a half. So I was one of these guys
like when I was single, I was single and had
a great time, but like when I dated, I commit,
Like I went all in two of those relationships for
you know, a total of like eight and a half
years and then one of those, you know, I think,

(21:26):
you know, I broke someone's heart and one of those
had my heart broken, So it kind of saw both
sides of it. But you know, I just think those
are the experience of like life that you gotta go
through because it just it shapes you as a person.
And that's the purpose of dating, right, Like people out
there that are anyone that's struggling and dating, Like the
reason you date is so you can learn from each

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dating in sperience. If you're not learning from it and
coming out with a better understanding of like what you
need to be as a partner, what you need in
a partner, then it's just I feel like you're wasting
everyone's time. And so both of those scenarios, Uh, those
people were for me. They weren't my my one and only,
but learned a lot from them. Where were you in
your life when you sign up for the Bachelor or

(22:08):
was nominated? Yeah, So I did this charity auction though
it's a Bachelor Guilda's Club bachelor auction, and so I
got sponsored by the bank to do it. And so
you you come out and you dance, and it was
actually like a formal thing that we're all in tuxedos.
People bid on you to go on the date and
then they get this whole date package and every dollar

(22:30):
goes to Guild of this Club, which is UH charity
from Gilda Random who died of ovarian cancer. And it's
all to really like focus on helping families that are
undergoing someone in their family with treatment. And so that
night we raided. I think I raised like, I don't know.
The date went off to like thirty three d bucks.
I was dancing like an idiot to old time rock
and roll, and it's my understanding that recording got sent

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to a BBC. Now. That was March two thousand seventeen,
and then I moved to Seattle for a new job.
And I remember I remember Saturday night, I was I
went out after and I was hungover. Sunday morning, I
listened to my voicemail and it's an ABC producer saying, Hey,
I wanted to check in. We have this video you
from the Bachelor auction and nomination. Would you want to

(23:15):
be part of the show. Are you still single? If so,
we just sent you an application And I get this application.
You guys know, they ask you what everything right? I mean,
they want to know literally who your girlfriend Wasn't Savens great?
And so I thought it was like fraun, I'm like,
this is a killer game. You're gonna get if. I
had my mom looking up and she's like, that's a
legit producer. And so I was in Seattle at the

(23:36):
time and said, you know what, it's twenty nine kind
of the only thing I've done at this point is
chase my career. I've relocated seven, eight nine times, Like
why the hell not, Like, let's just give it a goal.
Let's rolling. Let's acknowledge the fact that you were being
auctioned off for a day before you were even on
the Bachelor, Like people doesn't wanted to pay money to
go on a date with Jason beforehand. That that's the

(24:00):
kind of catch he is. He needed the confidence, though
we've just learned the guys struggled with success and confidence
his whole life. He needed that little boost good times.
And it's funny though about that story. I called my
best buddy and I was like, dude, you're never gonna
believe this call I got today. He's like, wait, You're

(24:22):
never gonna believe this call I got today. So my
best friend Hawk growing up. He got called the same
day I did for the back and so he went through. Yeah,
he went through the whole process. He went all the way.
He went to New York, like that's like the regionals
or whatever, and they ended up not selecting him, but
at the irony of the fact that there was a

(24:43):
date with Baccay in Richmond, Virginia and three of my
friends came in surprised me and he was one of
the guys. So we still talk about that to this day,
like what if it would have been him, and like
how different things would be, and yeah, it's crazy how
life work. Was anyone in your family a big Bachelor fan.
My mom is a huge basket. She's watched every season

(25:03):
since Trista's my dad, you know, he's kind of like indifferent,
like he's like watching with your honey, but like I
don't think he like absolutely loves it. And then my
brother has not He's like he doesn't know what the
bachelors Now. He certainly does, but I was kind of
just in between. And my mom was so fissed when
she found out. She's like, wait a second, this is
my world, Like this is my escape with girlfriends, we

(25:26):
gossip about this. I don't have to listen to this,
and that this is my world, stay out of it.
And then I figured she's like, she's like, he'll go
home really like we'll be fine, and then she got
dragged the hometown. So that's another story. It's true though.
It's funny how you're like some of my most loyal
friends to the Bachelor franchise. So people who have watched it,
family who has watched it their whole lives. I almost

(25:48):
feel like I did ruin it for them, Like some
of them don't watch anymore, not because there's any like
insider information that you know, blows it up, but they've
I think it's the like fantasy of it all maybe
where like you watch it on TV, you can kind
of judge and critique and say things you want, and
then when you know somebody's gone on it, then it
like takes the fun away, Like there's no fantasy to

(26:10):
it anymore. You know what it is, and it's not
that enjoyable to be a part of it. You've touched it, yeah,
I mean hometown hero Ben becomes the freaking king of
the franchise, Like I'm done with this, Yeah, but you
were top three on becca season. So this I mean,
you go on the show, your mom doesn't think you're
gonna make it very far. She goes to hometowns with you.
You make it to the top three on Becca's season,

(26:32):
and things ended in Thailand for you personally, and we
always like to talk about it. What was it like
to kind of heal from the breakup publicly, but also
what was it like to heal from the whole experience
going back to your family? Yeah, it's it's a healing process, right,
I mean, you go everyone that comes out of that show,

(26:53):
you get your a little mentally jaded a little bit.
You start to question things, and you know, you don't
realize you watched everything back and you start to see
how love they were with someone else, and then you
start to question yourself like what's how did I not
see through that? How was I stuck in my own
little world? And um, you know, I think it's one
of these things that I just felt like I was

(27:15):
very like like at on the show a little bit,
I was like blindsided. So then you start you start
bringing that to like different aspects of your life and
you start thinking like, am I gonna get blindsided here
in future relationships. So for me, it was it was
a good experience. I learned a lot about myself. It
was almost a therapeutic and the fact that I didn't
really ever talk about my feelings. I never really address

(27:36):
some of the things internally, and on that show you
have to. It's a crash course. So I think I
came out of that show like so much of a
stronger person and so much more like in touch with
with who I am as a person, like what I
want out of life. So overall, the experience was great,
It really was. But you know, you guys all know this,
Like when you go through that breakup on the show,
it's brutal and then you gotta watch it all back

(27:59):
and like, no, come on, I came again, So it's tough.
Your brother was I think the first and only um
gay sibling that we've seen in hometowns and he brought
his husband. How did that make you feel that you
were able to bring it just to like show that
on The Bachelor? It was one of the more revolutionary

(28:21):
things we've seen in the past couple of years. Yeah,
I think it was unbelievable. Kudos to ABC for for
showcasing that in such a normal fashion. Right. There wasn't
attention to it. It was right. It was just two
people that are married and happy and the story, you know.
And I guess what my concern was as we see

(28:41):
all the you know, the trolls all over the internet, like,
what would the viewing population of the batchelor have to
say about this? How would Twitter get you know, how
would they be? And honestly it was there was so
much support from the whole bachelor community, um, which was
which was really I loved the fact that during that episode,
it was like, this is my brother and his husband,
and and there was nothing else brought up. There was

(29:02):
never like you're going to meet my gay brother. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It wasn't even like a conversation point, which was fantastic,
and I think that's that's how it should be. It
reminds me we talked a little bit about my childhood.
Reminds me of the story, and I'll never forget it.
It was and it didn't click until later on. But
I was in like sixth grade, and you have six

(29:23):
or seventh grade. My brother could drive. I couldn't, and
so I needed a ride to the rink. So I
told my brother five bucks, I'll give you five bucks
right like, I'm negotiating with up and he's like, okay, fine,
I'll do it. So he drives me the rink. We're talking,
we're talking. I remember one of my friend's sister. There
were these rumors that she was a lesbian, and so
I was just like kind of even learning what all
that meant. And so I asked, I said, I know

(29:44):
your friends with her, you know she like I asked
that she lesbian, and never forget, he looked at me,
he thought about He looked at me. He's like, Jay said,
question back for you, like if she was? You know,
at this time, I had no idea if he was
gay or not, or I didn't really know what that meant, honestly,
and he said, what if she was with that matter?
And I just remember thinking for I was like in

(30:05):
the air. So the first time I was ever like
asked that question, and we're pulling up to the rink.
I said, no, if she's happy, that's all that matters,
I guess, and he's like, yeah, okay, well I'm not
really sure where she stands, but yeah, I was just interested,
and I go out to take my wallet and I
have five bucks. I like, here you go, thanks for
the ride. He goes, No, don't worry about it. This

(30:26):
is free. And so I always wondering, I'm like, wow,
why didn't you give me a free ride? And then
like years later I'm like, oh my god, right, like
it all it all clicked right, he was clear. I mean,
obviously the story tells has a lot of meeting there,
so yeah, it's uh, it's I mean, I just can't
underestimate for you personally, like how big of a benefit

(30:48):
it was to have him in your life. Because for me,
you know, we've talked about it here recently, just with
all the changes and the confusion and everything going on,
like how much of it I feel like I'm catching
up on and I'm learning as I go, and I'm
uneducated on because I've never been exposed to it or
I've never um had to confront some of these things.

(31:11):
For you to have somebody so close to you that
you care about, that you trust, who is gay, who
can help walk you through that, like, I mean that
that's just incredible. Yeah, I mean to have some of
the yeah that has just different perspectives and can challenge
the way you think and um, you know, and to
learn all all all this at a young age from

(31:34):
someone who's like very insightful, intelligent is and I think
it's just rounded me and it's been Uh, it's awesome
and really it's special. You guys had a really strong
friendship between Becca's top four. Obviously Garrett and Becca just
broke up, and just wondering if you've talked to him,
if you talked to her. Yes, so I haven't talked

(31:58):
to um Gary. It much like just like little things
like you might comment on something or that you know,
like I haven't. I haven't talked to Garrett. Um. Actually
we saw and spend time with Becca last night. Bacca
was so sweet. You wanted to do something special for
Caitlin for her first show, and so she surprised her
with a few of her friends. And actually Chris and
Lauren stopped by and put this little nice little orders

(32:21):
and wine and stuff last night with a great time.
And yeah, you could tell like we we got it.
We talked a lot about it, and um, you know
what the tough part about that is, like you watched
it all back and then I spent time with both
of them after the show, and we were all friends
and they were like genuinely like they were really in love.

(32:42):
They were really in love. So, um, it's it's sad
to see, especially back back is such a you guys,
such an amazing person, and to see her have to
go through that twice right to engagements not on her
favor is is tough. But you know what I think
she's in. She seems like she's in a gray place
and she's she's moving forward and she's not looking for

(33:04):
people to date right now. But do you have anybody
from the Bachelor or off camera that you would set
back up with? Oh, that is a good question. Um,
imagine if her and Blake got back together, Like that's
seriously like I don't see it happening, but like imagine
what a like full circle love story that would be.

(33:26):
Who could I see? That's actually really good answer. You
can keep rainstorming. I'll keep brainstorming. But I think I
could see that, I could see that maybe there was
a lot. I mean, I don't think he's gonna get
mad at me for ings, Like I know he was
legitimately heartbroken. Like that's like when you get off the
show sometimes like you'll meet the guys and they'll be like,

(33:48):
oh yeah, now I'm onto the next like I'm just
gonna go do my thing. Like Blake really felt that relationship,
so not a bad idea. Yeah, I mean he was
good friendly. Blake and I are good friends. And he
was struggle right, I mean like he was for a while.
So hey, maybe he's got it out of his system.
He's ready, you know who knows? Well. That brings up

(34:12):
a good point because you know, getting off of a
show is always a unique experience and everybody forms these
amazing friendships while they're on the show, but then it fades,
Like a lot of times you see seasons where people
come off and they're the closest at close can be
and then give it two years, people have gone their
separate ways. Your season was unique, and I think it's
one that everybody identifies. Where you're top four and even

(34:34):
further on, like you can go down the list, have
stayed close? Is there an actual closeness amongst you all?
And if so, what do you think has helped can
keep that going? And if not, like why why? Like
what what happens to allow people to go there? On
the other you know, their own separate ways? Yeah, I
think of like the top four, Blake and I are

(34:55):
certainly the closest of those guys and still are to
this day. I think, Um, you go through this crazy experience, right,
life changing experience, and no one, no one can relate
to your parents, can't relate to your best friends, can't
relate to your siblings, and so the only people that
could really totally get it. And that's why I think,
like the final fourth thing we became so close is
because we all went through this life changing things and

(35:18):
we're trying to figure it all out. We're dealing you know,
the first time you'll never forget. You get your d
M where people's being people are being so mean, and
you're like, who do I talk to about this? I
think it creates such a natural connection. And then what
happens is life happens, right, You start to see kind
of what happens under this world, and and I think
a lot of character comes out in people and like

(35:38):
what they do and how they do it. And then additionally,
you know, people become in different relationships and life moves
on and they go in different directions. So I think
it's natural for those relationships to fade. But it's still
really cool the relationships that stay strong. Blake and I
are still really good buddies, and it was even like
last night when I'm hanging out with Caitlin and Beck
at Tilly and beck a crew friend. They're all such

(36:00):
good friends. And it is interesting to see, like within
the franchise, which friendships really last and then which friendships
fizzle away. Which seems that most fizzle away once the
initial spark is kind of deteriorated or gone out. If
I think you said that, well, like there's there's that
family aspect to the Bachelor world and and I think

(36:23):
it exists long term with those who wanted to write
like you know, it's it has to be intentional because
everybody gets super crazy and life changes so quickly. But
you know, going back to the beginning of this podcast,
you know, you only have a few people that can relate,
and you only have a few people that can speak
truth into you, and you know, for me asking out
of you, and then you know others as well, like

(36:44):
that becomes a really special bond that I I do
believe could last a lifetime. And that's and that's something incredible.
There's no doubt there will be friends in the franchise.
You know, if I think about like Kayla and I
his wedding, and I picture it like the will be
people from the franchise and our wedding. Uh, you know
you guys will be there, and like that's what a

(37:06):
cool thing like life. There's so many detours in life,
and there's so many new relationships that are had because
of you know, uh, taking change as an opportunity as
opposed to like a deterrent, and it's just pretty it's
pretty cool the way at all. And there are some
relationships that will have for sure. For Alec. Yeah, we
just did a guest list our wedding and yeah you

(37:30):
made the cup, but it is you know, it made me.
Jess and I were just together this week and we
were talking through the guest list and making it and
it doesn't like almost does you know, get get emotional
and like, wow, this crazy thing that I did because
somebody signed me up or I signed myself up and
I dated and I got heartbroken and all these stories
that come from the franchise and then the end of

(37:50):
it years later, we still stand with people that we
want to be with us on the day that we
that is our celebration, the only time that everybody that
we love will be in one room. Um, it's cool
to see Jason. Let's pause again here. When we come back,
we're going to talk about your current relationship, your current
business endeavors, and where these all of these things are going.

(38:14):
We'll be back with Jason Tartik on the In Depth podcast. So, Jason,
coming off of Becca's season, those four of you top
four that got so close, you also were like all

(38:35):
running to be the Batchel, all in a running to
be the bachelorette, except for Garrett of course, the bachelor.
The bachelor to be the patchelor. Um. Was there a
lot of competition between you guys for that role or

(38:55):
were you really just supportive of each other. I think
it was. I think it was friendly competition, but also
sort of like I think we all made a pact
like whatever happens, we got each other's back and we'll
be happy for that person. At the same time, like
everyone was angling, right, like everyone was trying. I feel
like everyone wanted it. Between Blake, Colton and I, we

(39:16):
all wanted to be the bath and I think we
all kind of angled in different ways. Um, But the
interesting thing is like we had a group chat and
we were talking about like exactly where we stood. So
I remember one of the first times, like Blake was
flown in early to l a way before Colton and
I and we're like, oh, it's gonna be Blake. It's
gonna be Blake. And then you know, they go through

(39:37):
the whole process where you gotta get your fingerprints and
your blood, all the due diligence they should do, and
then you know, I a roommate of mine from college
I hadn't talked to you in like ten years, called
He's like, hey, I just got a call. They're doing
like back the actually called those roommates oh oh, and
the questions were like he was like bad. They were

(39:58):
getting in the leeds with the questions, like they want
everything about you. And so then I would do, hey, guys,
I just got my call, and you know, Colton would
be like, well, I just you know, I just got
my call. And so it came out of the wire.
It was a Sunday night, I think it was right
before Labor Day weekend. They we got a tax from
other producers saying hey, we are going to call you

(40:19):
guys in the next ten minutes. Oh yeah, it's just
right from the first call, I was like, you know,
he said, I'm sorry, and I'm like, But the funny
part about this is I don't remember this. Jason, so
Blake and Colton were both out in Denver at the time.
You were, I think in Seattle. Um. I they were

(40:39):
over at my house the night I think before. It
was a Saturday night. They came over to the house
for drinks. I think, Yeah, they knew that they're gonna
get a call pretty soon. The funny part is once
each of them left the room, both of them were convinced.
It was then that it was going to be the bachelor.
Were you convinced it was gonna be you? And no point?
I think? I mean, I I really didn't. I was convinced.

(41:01):
I thought it was gonna be Blake. To be honest,
that that was gonna be Blake. Um. It was interesting
talking to those guys, like about their interviews and stuff like,
you know, and Colton even like I remember him telling us,
I'm like, damn, I should have thought of that. He
went in and he was like, listen, Blake and Jason
are great guys and they're both good friends of mine,
and you'll get a really good love story, I think
from both of them, but he sold himself. He's like,
but if you want a good show, you gotta put

(41:22):
on a show. You'll go with me. I'm like, damn,
that's a pitch. That's the infamous pitch. And so I
mean that's how open we were with each other. We
told each other like everything that was going on, and
so I genuinely thought it was gonna be Blake. Blake
thought it was gonna be me and it was cold. Yeah,

(41:43):
that's wild. No, I do remember that time. That was
a That was a fun time to sit and watch
because I've been through it. But your stories were different
and you're all friends, which is unique. Uh. That experience
was one that I really remember walking through so well.
I remember the producers were communicating with us one on one.
Then they quickly learned that we had a group chat,

(42:03):
and they're like, Okay, you know, let's just get a
group before let who will be the next past. I
gotta go find that chat, Jason. This would be the
time where I tell you, if you don't want to
answer this question, you don't have to. But is there
anything you want to say about what Colton is going
through right now. Yeah, okay, just how to throw it

(42:27):
out there so I can tell people it was thrown
out there. We can keep positioning it like that. Okay,
so you didn't go on Paradise. Did they give you
a strong enough inkling that you would be in the
running to become the Bachelor and then therefore you decided
not to go on Paradise? Yeah, so I did. The

(42:51):
funny thing about Paradise is I started the contract, I
got the blood to go past obviously send the contracts,
was ready to go, and then I talked to my
boss about it, and my boss is like, listen, we
let you go on the show. Because I went right
back to the work, like the day you do this one,
it's not going Like I've talked to the people at
the top, I'm not gonna work out your time room.

(43:13):
So that was a big reason why I didn't go.
The second thing is like, honestly, like when I sat back,
I was just being real with myself. I talked to
people that I thought would provide good insight. I was
going on that show. The reason I signed the concert,
the reason I was gonna go, is because I wanted
to be on it. Like I'm like, oh, let's get
let's do another TV show, Like that's fine. I knew
that there was I knew I wasn't in a position

(43:33):
to find someone I didn't like. Based on what I
was hearing who was going. I didn't think there would
be any fits. So at the end of the day,
I'm like, I'm not going. I mean, such a cliche thing.
Got going for the right reasons, but I was not
going at all for the right reasons. So it was
a last minute thing that I said. Guys, I'm sorry
I lead you on because I said I was going
to go, and I've signed the contract, but I didn't go.

(43:55):
And looking back at it, if you asked me, do
I think if I went it would have helped my
chances potentially being the Bachelor, I think my answer is
like easy, I don't think. I don't think me going
or not going at anything to do with that. I
think you fall. I think you I don't think I
think you're with the right person. Now, I want to
preface this statement with that, I think you're this is

(44:15):
an awesome relationship. I think Jason, you would have had
a hard time not falling pretty strongly for somebody in
Paradise because I feel like that you're I feel like
that environment is your lane, interesting, super social, very much
of a of a group environment where people lean on

(44:36):
each other for insight. I think the women would would
watch you and be like, wow, Jason is honest, he's truthful,
He's loved by everybody here, and like, I just like
talking to him, and he's super good looking. Oh I
think I met my husband. Man. I remember, to be honest,
I I just mentioned I called the group of people.
You were one of the five six guys. I called

(44:58):
because one of the producers suggested, Hey, why don't you
here's some people in the franchise. I think that could
give a good perspective. And so you kind of you
actually out there if you were, like, dude, just go
like why not you already you already did Batchel Right,
it didn't work out, you did great, like go give
it a shot. Um. So I remember thinking about it,
but you know, kinds, I think it was the right
decision and get like you said, it all works out

(45:20):
for the right reason that me not be in the Batchelor,
were not going on Paradise because I'm with the beauty
of all beauties, right, So you didn't. You didn't go
on Paradise because of work. It had nothing to do
with the fact that they were considering you for Bachelor. Nothing. Again,
they did me any type of inclination that if I
go on The Bachelor or a Paradise it would help

(45:41):
me or hurt me. So they didn't give me anything.
And honestly, looking back on it, I I genuinely believe
that with the whole like Ta plot, that they knew
when Colton was going on Paradise that he was going
to be right. I mean, I think it was all
set up at that point that we were back ups.
Now look at back out. All right, Well shall we

(46:04):
discuss the moment that you met Caitlin Burstow. Yes, let's
talking about so she was in when you met. Was
she single or was she was she single and hadn't
really come out about their breakup or was she still

(46:25):
with Sewan? So my understanding, I remember, like because I
knew I was gonna podcast with her, so like kind
of yeah podcasting, and everyone was talking about the fact
that they had broken up but hadn't like anything to
come out. I had no inclining other than the fact

(46:46):
that when I walked in the podcast. She was. I
gave her a big hug right when I first saw her,
and she's like, sorry, it was it was great. I
remember feeling that anager like that was anyway. She was crying,
um so, and and I could I kind of want
to stay out of it. Olivia was there, but obviously
that's really kind of I wouldn't say eavesdropping. With her

(47:07):
talking in front of me, it could quickly connect the
dots that have had something to do with her relationship.
I didn't ask any questions. I didn't look into it
at all, but obviously, you know, if I'm being completely honest,
you take you take mental notes. Okay, you you've heard
they're really gonna she's crying, you know, you can kind
of hear something. So um, I didn't really know, and

(47:29):
I didn't ask. I was like, I'm not that's what
I don't want to get get into that, you know,
into the weeds there. Then you left the podcast, and
how do things play out? Walk us through the story? Yeah,
so leave the podcast and just like you know, I

(47:50):
walked away like whoa, I was blowing the web bay.
It's like yeah, like I felt a ton of chemistry
and I was like our band tour was great, and
I walked on the corner called one of my best players.
Actually the same guy Hawk who was going to be
on the show was on the show. Yeah, I called
Hawk and I jog I like Hawk, And then I
called my mom and I joke Brown like yeah, I
think I just met my future one and they were

(48:13):
like yeah, and and so that was kind of like
being facetious and I just she's awesome and all this stuff.
So yeah, we just like, you know, she'd like send
me some like here's the photos, you know, like if
you wanted to post about it. And then there was
like a couple like jim jab chirps and like little
things here. I thought it was flirty. I don't know

(48:33):
if it's Caitlin flirting or not, but it just was
like I was getting I could tell I was getting
like broz oh. I was like I was like a
little bro like, oh, it's funny. Yeah, And so yeah,
then I think it went you know, friend zone for
a while and then a little flirty, and then um
went on our first date and it was awesome, and
it's it's been it's been just a hell of a

(48:55):
ride since then. So let's get this straight. You guys
are kind of like not really texting, but count of
texting your friends. You're close enough friends where you're like,
this is my close girl friend who I'm gonna tell
that I'm going on a date with this girl to
see what she thinks. Like you, you have other motives.
You're trying to figure out where she stands, but the
context is not awkward to like, you know, if I

(49:16):
was the text Caitlin right now, say say for me, like,
you know, I consider Caitlin a friend, um, like, it
would be a little weird for me to text Caitlin
Bay Hey, I got I mean, I guess I'm engaged,
but like, hey, if I was single, like, hey, I'm
going on this date, what do you think? Like that
would throw her off. I think she'd be like, why
are you asking me? So you're yeah, yeah, yeah, so

(49:39):
I think yeah. It was like until I create a bridge,
like yeah, there was like just like some friendly banter
here and there, right, so like we're here and there,
and then I think it was like that week specifically,
there was a little bit more banter. Right, It was
like picking up a little bit and so I was
like just feeling it out so it wasn't like a
curve ball, wouldn't be the equivalent of you texting kay

(50:00):
then blue right, like we're taxed a little bit, but
kind of friend zone obviously like single whatever, and yeah,
that's just like it. That's that's how it all went down.
At this point, did you know that she was single
for sure? Yeah? Well so yeah, so she announced it.
I think she announced it not too long after a podcast,

(50:21):
like they had the formal post and someone we have
to like real check that. Um, but it was like,
well I think it was late October, early November, and
so at this time for sure that she was that
she was single. But but like even even when like
like there was like a little flirting, like after that point,
I could still like obviously she you know, she just

(50:44):
came off this long relationship. Now they broke up. My
understanding as it was, they were done well before the
back date like right, um, so yeah that was that.
Let's uh, I want to dive into this if you
don't mind in a little bit, um so just you know,
let us know. But what is it like to walk

(51:07):
into that scenario now? Obviously now we see Caitlin and Jason,
like that's who we associate with. But this is a
public breakup and there's a lot of scrutiny, and there's
a lot of comments, and there's a lot of opinion,
and you're stepping in on the back into that to
a relationship that obviously something that you both want to
see work. How what how is that for you? Yeah?

(51:29):
I think that's a good question. I think, um, probably
like a little and like I guess, so we're how
I praise that, I would say, it's just I think
that's a lot, Like it was a lot, right, Like
I'm so excited about meeting this new person, and for me,

(51:49):
I'm such a chapter's clothes in a new chapter opens
and you put the history behind you and move forward.
And so I was so excited about what was to come.
But I think I think with that, like you then realize,
you know, she she just recently, you know, not too

(52:11):
long ago, got out of this relationship, and um, you
know they were like they were all loved couple, right,
that's another top like people love them and um, so
then you're like, oh, no, here comes me and like
early on, yeah, last scrutiny, like you know, you know,
and you see stuff like you know, you fall like
I'm falling in love with this girl, and still like
through that time of falling in love, you're seeing like

(52:33):
people be like, well, you know, giving your comments or
don't like trying to compare your relationship first previous relationship
and previous relationships and like that. You know, it's it's
um Sometimes could be like disheartening or challenging, but for me,
it was like everything I didn't I didn't worry about it.
I don't worry about it. That was the past and

(52:55):
it is what it is. And uh, you know, without
that past, without these weird aparances in life, like we
hear and I wouldn't be here, We wouldn't have had
the chance to meet, We wouldn't have you know, had
a relationship blossom, right, So um, yeah, it's it's The
crazy thing is like it seems like you know, we
all date and you have you have excess. We all
have with all the excess. But it also is tough

(53:18):
in the bachelor world because when you have accesses from
the bachelor world, it's always talked about all of them
and you're like, when is the chapter Cloe, Like, how
long does it take for chapters? The clue will ever club. Well,
you know, so it's I think that's one of the
tough things about being in the Bachelor world is that
your history and the relationships are always brought right and

(53:40):
then on top of it, you're like, Okay, we are
in love, things are perfect, and then you get these
curveballs where they're like, we're gonna re air your whole
season so we can bring up anything back to the surface.
And for me, I'm something like, you know, chapter closed,
let's let's go to the next one. And you know,
but it is what it is, like, it's it's the

(54:01):
world that we live in, and our relationships in our
past on the show especially, are are part of who
we are and why we are where we are. But
you guys handled that re airing really awesome. Caitlin was
on the couch with your mom drinking wine. Like I
thought it was gonna be so traumatic, but like she
just made such a joke out of it, which was awesome. Yeah,

(54:24):
I didn't know what I even said to kid. I'm like, hey,
like maybe it was my mom's six years birthday, so
I'm like, do we have to like can we could
you watch it before? And now you get the steps
of four and then maybe we don't have to like
bring it up. I didn't know how like what it
would be. Like my mom's like, oh, hell no, we're
getting the bottle of wine. We're watching, And then my
dad and I were just like drinking beers, playing poker downstairs.
We'd pop up every little bit, you know, if you're

(54:45):
sitting there and I'm like, oh, there's bet she's making
out with your mom. Bachelor super fan has you know
her son's girlfriend being like queen of the franchise, Caitlin Bristow.
That must be so cool for her. Yeah, uh that

(55:06):
they had a blast. They had a great time with it.
And then you know, it is what it is, and um, yeah,
it's just it's part of it's part of who she is,
and it is what it is. It's all good. It's
it's a weird world, man, it's a weird world. You're
thinking about this the other day, you know, like Becca
is Becca Kay is reaching out to be because we're
trying to with Caitlin. I'm like, here, I am surprising

(55:28):
the girl I currently love with a girl I did love,
and we're all like friends. It's awesome. It makes no sense.
It makes no sense. But I don't know, it's just
like it is what it is, like we're yeah, we're friends.
Let's backtrack for a second and go back to your
first date with Caitlin, the first time that you were like, okay,
we're not just friends. Uh huh yeah. Oh yeah. So

(55:52):
our first date, um yeah it was. I was like again,
like super nervous about it. And I remember the first
place we went to, um there was we kept getting
like we're sitting in a weird place, and we kept
getting like a lot of like weird looks and stuff.
And I remember one person like had their phone out
and was taking like a video and I just felt

(56:14):
so uncomfortable. So like the first thirty minutes of our
date did not go well and it didn't go up
because I was just like, hey, I'm here, like this
isn't It was at a place. It was in Denver.
It was at a Mexican restaurant, like a modern Mexican
restaurant in Denver. Um And I'm sure you would know
of it if I remember the name, because we were
with Brandy and yes, that's it, that's it. Boom nailed it.

(56:42):
And so we left there. When we left there, we
went to like a super chill. Um, Eric loves this place.
Then it's like a whiskey bar. It's got like wood everywhere,
super chill will okay, And there we got to have
a really good kid station. And then we went to
holl at the Moon and we were dancing and singing

(57:04):
and we just had the best time. And so I
was supposed to leave early Sunday to get back to
Seattle for work, and I actually didn't because um, I
actually didn't because um we stayed for the Denver Nuggets game.
So I we extended our date and it was it
was awesome. I think we saw each other like the
next weekend and next weekend after that, and the momentum

(57:25):
built and it was it was great. It was awesome.
And now you live together, fast fast forward and now
you've been in Nashville together for about a year. Um,
obviously you're in l A at this point with Caitlin.
How you know, how has this chapter been for you?
Living together with your dogs who are equally as popular

(57:45):
as you and Caitlin and equally as beautiful. How how
is the chapter of living together been? The living together
chapter has been awesome. It's been everything I can imagine
we've I think we've our relationship is grown to such
a next level and the dogs are awesome. We just
have this amazing little family and it's it's just such

(58:07):
a blessing. Like I love my life, I love her,
I love these dogs. I love everything about it. And
I think if you talk about the lesson, I think
like in quarantine, there's definitely like some lessons we have, right,
I mean that's like a crash course, and just because
we're traveling so much, like even living together like such
a great adjustment growing as a couple, but then you're
with each other. It's twenty four seven, and I think

(58:28):
like it was like a it was like a roller
coach that started down. Like the first few weeks it
was like it was I think it was tough for
for us in quarantine, but we what was nice is
like accelerated life. It was like the conversations we had
in that first three weeks of quarantine, we're probably conversations
would have had over like four months, I guess if
you will, just because of of like you know, you're

(58:51):
with each other and everything. And after like the first
few weeks which was kind of tough, our relationship grew
in like such an amazing, amazing level, and so it's been, uh,
it's just been so cool. And this new chapter in
l A has been awesome too. Very different. So it's obviously,
you know, completely like it's just very different in the

(59:13):
fact that we have two fifty pound dogs who are
young and crazy in this like, oh like eight hundred
square foot place in a high rise. One of our
dogs has figured it out, the other one's not botty
trains and being all over the place. And uh. And
the one thing I'll say about Dancing with the Stars,
great show. It's awesome. I never realized the work that

(59:33):
these people, and it is physically just exhost. I mean,
I see her feet, she has she has blisters everywhere
she has. Her feet are so swollen, and she's wearing
eyes bigger than she normally wears. Like so when she
gets home, it's like icing and you know, let's get
you know, get the legs elevated and compressed and all
the stuff you're supposed to do. I mean, it's a

(59:55):
it's a physical and mental like really enduring show. It's tough, tough,
but she's doing she's doing so great. You've always been
her best cheerleader. I love how supportive you are and
how vocal you are about her and your love for her.
And she calls this chapter, um, the dancing with this
chart Stars chapter, her last hurrah before she wants to

(01:00:16):
have kids. I'm assuming that you guys have to, you know,
talked about this, perhaps those first couple of weeks of quarantine.
Are you involved in this at all? We're wondering, I'm
involved in this. We're on the same page, on the
same page, Um, we want two kids and quarantine. We
actually have funny we have one of our kids name's

(01:00:39):
Big Toler. That's normal, Like, uh so, yeah, we're on
the same beautiful so that an't coming like that stament
doesn't come as a shock to you because I think
for us, as we read it and we talk about it,
it's not shocking. It's like it's actually really really like

(01:01:01):
we talked on the podcast, like, it's really sweet. Right,
This is Caitlin, Caitlin doing what she loves to do,
doing what she does well, with her teammate by her side,
and you this feels like the perfect last hurrah. But
it is still shocking because she's been up to so
much and she's been in the in the front of
the spotlight for so long? Are you both? How do

(01:01:24):
you both feel about this next chapter? Knowing that this
for her at least, is it's kind of her goodbye
to the grind. Yeah, I mean I think that Caitlin.
Caitlin says that, but she's so she's such a motivated person,
you know, like she she just gets up and every
day just kicks ass, and so regardless of what it

(01:01:48):
is she's doing, she's gonna do it a thousand percent
at just a level that's just so strong, right, So
not worrying this completely. Well, but my point is that
if that next chapter is what it will be us
having kids, like, she's just gonna be the most badass
mother ever. Knowing her, she's just so committed to everything

(01:02:09):
she does and passionate, and like knowing her, she'll probably
like who knows, like the sky's a limb with her,
everything she manifest comes to fruition, which is insane. She'll
probably like create some crazy like baby toy that people
haven't thought about it. It'll like blow up to be
the next bit who goes. But she just she could
say it's her last rob She'll she'll never She's just

(01:02:29):
her mind and energy just keeps going. So whatever that
next chapter is, sh likes everything, She'll crush it. So
I'm excited. Well, you have a chapter that I want
to lean into a bit here, because yes, your relationship
is amazing and it's it's in the spotlight and it's
something that's been fun to watch. But you've been fun
to watch. I am a follower of Restart. I follow

(01:02:53):
the Instagram. I watched the videos. Um, you know you
did go from being an investment banking to switching careers.
Now pretty out there listening tell them what I mean.
You can pitch it better than I can. What are
you up to? And where do you hope this goes? Yeah,
So with Restart, right, you look at every all the
metrics going on in the country right, one point six

(01:03:13):
trillion dollars student debt. Forty five million Americans are buried
with student debt. The r O I I'm I'm going
to college right now as a mass is negative. Consumer
and credit card debt has ever been so high. Unemployment
obviously because of the pandemic eight At one point twenty
million Americans were unemployed. Now even if you scratch that

(01:03:34):
and you do a survey of Americans and their job satisfaction.
It's at the lowest levels it's ever been. So the
most important things in our life right the way we
manage our finance, our personal lives, and professional lives. There's
a lot of distress and whatever. What I call is
this blueprint to society that has been instilled on us
by previous generations, which in my opinion, is really just

(01:03:55):
sparked from large corporations putting a molden place for us
to adhere to because it benefit it's they're great or good.
It doesn't work right. We have found that obviously there's
areas of it works, but this blueprint is not successful
for most people. And so the idea with restart is
whether it's financially, personally or professionally, looking to restart, what
you're doing, how you're doing it, the approach to doing it.

(01:04:17):
Um that's a place that we have created this Instagram page,
and the idea behind it is we're doing a few things.
We have a weekly newsletter that comes out every Monday,
and so that is called you need to know there's
so much bias in media these days that this is
just unbiased. All the high level things for people that
don't get into the weeds and news, but they should

(01:04:38):
know going into the week. So we have a weekly newsletter.
We have interviews with prominent individuals who have achieved a
ton of success. But people like Dana White, Barbara Corker,
and Damon john Ryan Sir and Chef m Barrel, Shawan Johnson,
Bela Twins. We've had a great group of people. I'm
not focused on where they are now. I'm focused on
how they got there and the lessons that you can

(01:04:59):
learn at the change changes that these people experience within
like they're eighteen, they're eighteen to like thirty year old
time frame, and the way that they pivoted and use
changes an opportunity to achieve where they are today. It's incredible,
and so let's learn from these people. So we're doing
these restart Real talks. And then I just signed a
book deal with Harper Collins. One book is gonna be
all about restarting from hiring the firing your career. The

(01:05:22):
other one's all about personal finance. So I'm writing that
and we just have a lot of exciting stuff and
it's all the lessons that every individual needs to know.
That's just not taught in a textbook. It's not taught
in the classroom. How long has this been going on?
So I literally started this in March. So what what
what Spark did is right pandemic. It's an absolute disaster.
This SMP five d and the Dow Jones's watching the

(01:05:43):
market every day is plumbering. It's on the headline of everything.
And so I just put a poll out there to people.
I said, be honest with me, like if I asked
you to describe the SMP five hundred Dow Jones and
three sentences, could you do it? And I think I
forgot the statistic, but around two people answered it and
it was of the people said they couldn't do it.

(01:06:04):
And I'm like, okay, we gotta bridge this gap here.
And then what I started learning as I'm getting all
these messages, how do I ask for a raise if
I want to leave my job? Is my resume in
the right shape? What does my LinkedIn profile look like?
You know? All cost of living adjustments, all these things
started like coming in NonStop, and I'm like, we got
to create something. And so I built a team and
we've created Restart and it's been uh, it's been awesome. Yeah,

(01:06:26):
and there's a lot of we're we're about to create
a launch of membership right now, which is exciting. And
then also and in the midst of talking about a
potential podcast here. So it's, um, it's been great, it's
been great. It's an impactful which is which is really cool.
And the other thing then I'll stop because I get
excited about it as you can tell that it's within
the realm of like what I've what I know, you
know I've done. I've been in finance since my grandfather

(01:06:48):
taught me to invest when I was, you know, in
my teens, and so it's it's the Bachelor gave me
this cool platform, but I'm still using my NBA and
my work experience to try and do things within my
realm that's just very to me, seems impactful. So it's
been it's been really rewarding. So you're definitely not sitting
around the house board Paul Caitlin is at rehearsal, You're

(01:07:11):
doing all this, Yeah, so restarts one of them. I
invest in businesses, like there's a company that I've invested
in called Evoke and we have musically and we're er stores.
So I do a lot of investing in businesses on
the private side, um that you might not see on Instagram.
I do some real estate investing in lending. Um. The
Restart thing is on Instagram. I live with every day

(01:07:32):
through that, so those are things you see. But yeah,
I've I love any in all areas of business and
try to get involved in many capacities that I can.
I also love the way that restart and everything that
you talk about finance wise on your social media is
is able to be digested by somebody who it does
not have any sort of expertise in the field, Like

(01:07:52):
I know what you're talking about, but normally I wouldn't
know what my accountant was talking about exactly. And I
think a lot of people just in today's world, they
try and use like their education or skill set is
a means of like almost like condescending behavior or a
way to lever up. And for me, it's like what
bit is that. Let's just break this down in the
way that's digestible. People have their expertise in so many

(01:08:14):
different areas, and if it's not finance or career navigation,
which are two critical things in everyone's life, let's break
it down to understand it, right, So simple things like
SMP let's just simple five D big companies, right, they
give us an idea of what the whole market looks like.
So let's break down. It's kind of like when you
go to the doctor and they or the hospital and

(01:08:35):
they take your finals. They got to know a baseline
of what's going on, so they'll get your blood pressure right,
your temperature, stuff like that. That's what SMP five is.
It just gives us a baseline of what's happening overall
in the market. And when you break it down to
things that are understandable, people are like, Oh, that's not
that hard. I get it. It's not rocket science. You're
made for this, man, You're made for this. You're this Uh,

(01:08:56):
this feels like something that you you're passionate about obviously,
but then it fits right. It's it's fun to see
the Bachelor at to all of the things that have
happened in between their lead up to this moment where
you have a platform you can talk about something you
care about and share it with the world and break
it down. So it's helpful to the world as well,
and you're not just showing off because you know more

(01:09:18):
and that was a tip I remember, Ben, you gave me.
Right when I got off the show, I talked to you.
One of the things you said is let this platform,
let this experience, not change who you are, not change
your life, but let it. I think the word was
you said, enhance your life and let it enhance you
what you're doing. And I think that to me, that's
exactly right. I'm not running off to go strive be
an actor. I'm just doing letting this experience try to

(01:09:40):
enhance UM in my life and what I'm trying to do.
So where can people follow you at when it comes
to restart, Like what are ways that the listeners can
get involved? And and where the newsletter? You sign up
through Instagram? Yes, so if you go to restart Underscore reset,
that's our Instagram. Then we also have YouTube restart with
Jay and Tarctic, and there you can sign up for

(01:10:02):
the newsletter UM. Just put first name, last name email
and it comes every Monday morning. And then via the
newsletter when we have affiliations and the membership and some
of our cool announcements that are coming up, they'll all
be through that appenue. So I have one request, Yes,
let's hear can you do a video on options trade? Absolutely,
we can. Please, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm I'm

(01:10:26):
trying to figure out how to to to trade some
options and I could use Jason as my teacher. Let's
do it, all right, buddy, you're the man. Hey, uh, Jason,
thank you for joining us. We're gonna take one last
break and when we come back with you, we're gonna
let Ashley shine in her like this is where Ashley's
passion comes out. She's so good at this. We'll be

(01:10:47):
back with Jason Tartich on the In Depth podcast. It's
time for rapid Fire with me and Jason. Jason. Jason, Jason,
what is your favorite? Spades and Sparrows wine the pen

(01:11:11):
you are? It just came out. It's incredible, unbelievable for
those of you guys who don't know. Space and Sparrows
is Caitlin's Wineline. What is a musical that you would
want to have a role in most Cambleton every day
of the week? And I want because we know you've
been singing it on your Instagram. But you like musicals

(01:11:34):
in general, right? Your brothers really into them? Yeah? So
he he's part owner of a marketing company and they
do all the advertising for the big shows. And so yeah,
it's been it's been fun to go see. But they're
they're hurting right now Broadway in New York. They're hurting
in a big way. So hopefully they rebounded and make
a big comeback. Yeah, the dancer on Dancing with the Stars,

(01:11:56):
you'd be most threatened by if they were partnered with
katend such a good question, I mean, and all honestly,
I'm just gonna be real, it's gotta be Glenn. I mean,
Glenn is an absolute stud. I've gotten messages like watch
out for Glenbie looks like you. I mean, I'm not saying,
I'm just saying people have said. And then the other

(01:12:18):
thing is I met him. I had dinner with him
the other night. And he's got a great personality, super
super nice, charismatic, funny guys, very threatening Kio. That guy
can move. He's got this unbelievable accent. Beauty of a man.
Those are those are two studs right there. What is

(01:12:39):
your favorite part about Upstate New York? The people? Yeah,
it's not you know that, it's uh, it's the most thriving,
you know, area in the world. But the people are
just so great. There's no no substitute to good neighbors.
And Upstate New York's got him. What's your favorite food?
Favorite food? It's it's super boring answer. But being from Buffalo,

(01:13:03):
I'm obsessed with chicken wings, so every city I go
to them always. For some reason, people can't cook chicken wings.
I don't care why, but I'll always like if I
go to a different city, I gotta try their chicken wings.
So are you a ranch or a blue cheese different?
The easiest question ever. It's blue cheese every day at
a week for wings. You want to put ranch on
the other stuff I get, like, maybe your pizza, that's fine,

(01:13:24):
but it's blue cheese. It's it's he's a traditionalist. Your
favorite Bills Mafia story you've experienced, like the favorite your
fair Bills Mafia moment. Here's my favorite Bills story and
it relates to a guy from the Bachelor. So I
get Dean to we get Monday night tickets when they're
playing the Patriots Bills versus Patriots, and we get access

(01:13:47):
to the owner's suite. Right, So it's Monday night football
and we get access to the owner of the Buffalo Bills,
like this is the dream come true. Well, I'm white
Dean and I'm like Blake, but I tell them, like, guys,
it's like it's all business. And there they owned the team,
like this is this is work. So you're gonna get
drunk and have fun. Go get drunk and have fun.
But you tighten it up once we get in there. Well,

(01:14:08):
they got drunk and they had fun. And I'll never
forget this image of like Dean and Blake jumping into
the crowd of like a hundred people screaming he like
drinking beer like fully in it. So then we get
out of there, we go, We're on our way. A
boy's tightening. My parents were with us too, were like,
let's go get it together. Well, we walk it, and
I explained to him, like this is the owner, you know,

(01:14:31):
say thank you guy walking And the first thing Dean
does he goes right up to the owner of the
Buffalo Bills and she's wearing a blue and blue kind
of like this, a little lighter sweater that's one of
the bill's colors. And he says, oh, it's so nice
to see you. I love I love your l a
Dodgers blue color. Sweater you had on for the bills,

(01:14:52):
like like, who is this guy? Oh? And then you
know what happened. Somehow Edvan got it. Kevin from the batch.
I mean this is like batch for Evan here, he
got it. He's a huge Patriots fan. Spirit of Patriots Jersey.
You don't go into an owner's suite with the other team.
You don't write, you know, the Coca Cola headquarters rocking.

(01:15:15):
It's a no note. And so at that point, like
she did, she's so sweet the owner. She wouldn't ever
make a big deal about it. One of the security
peoples like what are you doing? Everyone got kicked out
and that was that Ellie Dodgers Blue and the freaking
Patriots Jersey. So she did not think that Patriots at
the Powder Blue was a funny little chirp. Yeah, that's no.

(01:15:38):
It's one time time. The only person who doesn't give
into Dean's baby blues and that smile, right, that's true.
I mean Dean is very charismatic, charming man, but he
pulled this one off. Don't bring Dean to any nice party.
I once went to a party with Dean with the
owner of My Heart, and it was like the real

(01:16:00):
viby setting. They had the lights off and it was
like kind of like candlelit. It was really nice party.
Dean walked in and turned on all the lights the
whole party, like literally flip the flip the light switches
on everybody. I mean there's probably a hundred people in there, Like,
just don't do it. Not a good idea that being
the best, like such a fun, great guy, but maybe
just pick and choose the parties. Great freaking guy though.

(01:16:21):
Love Two more questions. What's the money question you get
asked most often on Instagram. Number one question is where
should I invest my money? The number one answer to
that is, let's first talk about your debt. The amount
of people that I see you are so worried about
trying to find the next investment. You look at their
debt profile, whether it's suiting debt, credit card debt, mortgage debt,

(01:16:41):
and usually what I've seen so far is there's a
monster amount of debt. And the idea here is first
paid down your debt, especially credit card debt where people
are getting charged, it's unlikely you'll make an investment. If
you do, good for you, that's a great investment. So
pay down your expensive debt first, then start worrying about investing.
People are contrarily believed let's invest first, even then when

(01:17:04):
they're strapped and buried with that fantastic answer, What is
one thing about Caitlin that over the past year living
with her, you've been like, you do this and I
just don't get it, Like I don't understand why or
when you do this. Um, let's see. Though she has

(01:17:25):
this weird thing about chewing. It's like, it's so I
have that too, Like I just yeah, when somebody when
Jared's chewing next to me, I'm like, hook, you're still
attracted to him. You're like, you just have to remember
that that's the person you love. Literally che and she'll
give me this look. I'm like, my mouth is closed.

(01:17:46):
I'm freaking eating. I'm a human. We have to eat.
And so like I couldn't get over for sensitivity to
like misoponia, and I'm like, oh my god, But yeah,
that's good. That's one, all right, I get I get it. Jason,
You're out of the hot seat. Rapid fires over. This
is the end of the podcast and we like to

(01:18:06):
throw it to our guests and so here for the
next minute thirty seconds, three minutes, whatever you need. We
have listeners out there who are going to be super
engaged to your story. UM, and fans of you personally.
What do you want to say to them? This is
your time, your platform, your moment to say whatever you
want to close this thing out. Um. Wow, there's so

(01:18:29):
many directions I can go here, So what else say is?
And I think just in general and in life like,
there are so many things out there that can that
can trigger insecurities or make people have doubt, And there
are so many people that are fearful when someone succeeds,

(01:18:51):
And there's so many people that are gonna tell you
your ideas don't make sense, it won't work out. That's
a chance you're going to regret. Most people don't want
to see others succeed. And what I would challenge anyone
out there is to live the life that you always
imagine instead of living the life that others are leading

(01:19:11):
for you. A good friend of mine is a motivational speaker,
Ben Empton, and he did a case study and it
was through it was through a prestigious college, and seventy
six percent of people on their deathbed, I think is
another seventy six regret not what they did over their life,
but what they didn't do. So I think spread happiness,

(01:19:31):
be kind to others, and don't worry about people judging you.
Be yourself, go live the dream you imagine, and if
you feel like you're leading a life, it's time to
make a change. And change is not a bad thing.
Change is a good thing. Without change, we wouldn't progress
the way we've progressed. We've come a long way, we
have a long way to go. But all I would

(01:19:52):
say is like, break the traditional blueprint of thinking and
just lead. Lead the life you always imagine. You literally
get one, and it's so precious. That's what Jason Tartick,
You're the man. Thanks for coming on. It's been a
it's been a blast. It's good to get to talk
to you again. Your story is awesome. Keep up the
good work once again. Follow Jason on Instagram and make
sure you go follow Restart on Instagram and YouTube. Now, Jason,

(01:20:17):
this is the hardest part of the podcast for you.
Follow Ashley and Eyes lead. This has been Jason Tartik
on the In Depth podcast. I've been been, I've been Ashley,
I've been Jason. Oh, he did it. It's because he's
been on the podcast so many times. Smart guy, We'll
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