October 1, 2020 • 55 mins
We are going In Depth with a Bachelor Nation couple...Sean and Catherine.
Sean Lowe is the ONLY Bachelor that stayed with his "final rose". Ben and Ashley go In Depth revealing how this couple knew it was love even while surrounded by cameras and how they continue to make it work each and every day.
Sean admits he didn’t go on The Bachelor for “the right reasons” and Catherine reveals who she thought Sean was going to choose.
Find out the shocking secret Catherine kept from Night One!
Sean and Catherine are one of Bachelor Nation's favorite relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Ben and Ashley I almost famous in depth well.
As usual, in depths are Ashley's favorite thing to do
during the week, and this week we have two people
who really need no introduction. In fact, there isn't even
an introduction to give because they are so known, they're
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so loved, they are be loved. They have been around
Batchelor nation for a bit, but that is not now
what we want to talk to Hi about. We want
to talk to him about their life post bachelor, what
families like, what they're up to, what they're doing. Sean
and Catherine, thank you for joining us, Thanks for having us,
Thanks for having us. We also want to talk about
pre bachelor life. Uh So we start out these in
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depths basically by asking everyone just to describe their childhood
in like two minutes. Wow. Yeah, siblings, parents like what
you're like in school, the shy kid, the popular kid. Sean,
I feel like you're the job I'll start. Uh yeah,
I guess. I guess you could say I was the jock.
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Raised by two amazing parents. I have an older sister,
shay Um, raising Irban, Texas, just outside of Dallas. It
was it was a great idea like upbringing Um, we
always talked about schools because we have kids or starting
to get to the age of going to school and everything.
I didn't go to the best school, but I think
that helped me a lot. A lot of my best
friends came from like single family homes and things like that,
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so I think it just gave me perspective which I
really still appreciate to this day. And uh, yeah, I
was always kind of the jock. Also an academic. I
was on a role too, but uh ended up ended
up going to Kansas State on a on a football scholarship,
and then I guess in my twenties kind of bounced
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around jobs and then the bachelor came knocking. We'll go
to Katherine before I go about your post grad life,
because I I remember wanting to talk about that because
of your book, because I read your book five years ago.
Thanks Kavine. So mine was probably the opposite of Sean Low's.
I grew up in Seattle. I had two sisters. I
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have two sisters, and I grew up next door to
five cousins and uncle and auntie and grandma. And I
think that being so close to my family it gave
me a really cool perspective, and that's kind of what
I want for our children, um, just to to be
around family and to to prioritize. So yeah, I grew
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up in Seattle. I was a kid who like to
do everything. So I played football in sixth grade. But
then I was a cheerleader in high school and I
played soccer, and so I was super active and I
really wanted to try everything. And then the State's we
went to Washington State go Coogs and and it was
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in the state, but it was a opposite, completely opposite
of Seattle, and what um just the environment of being
able to understand a completely different way of life. These
people were, um, you know, agg people, and they just
came from the opposite side. So it kind of helped
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me adapt to Dallas because Dallas is the complete opposite
of Seattle. UM. And then after college I came back
to Seattle. I worked at Amazon as a graphic designer,
and I had a really normal, like happy, balanced um
upbringing I think. And then I went on the show,
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which I didn't sign up for. Either one of us
signed up to go on the show because we were
just so normal. We didn't really think that that's like
what our life was gonna be, and we weren't really interested,
Like I wrote the bus and I wore burgen stocks
and I wasn't concerned at all about what people thought
about me, and so going on the show was like
just surreal. So that's that's Do you ever get jealous?
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Um that you are close to Shawn's family in Texas
and far and the kids get to be with them
all the time and not with yours in Seattle because
Jared and I plan on moving to his home state,
and I wonder if I'll ever be like, but you know,
your parents get to say them all the time. Well,
I mean, it's totally dependent on your situation. I absolutely
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love it. I feel like when we moved to Dallas,
it was a really hard adjustment for me personally because
it was one eight right, so like everything was different.
I didn't have like a stable um situation where I
was working and I was meeting people there. It was
really I was living his life, and so it was
a really hard transition. But I knew that as long
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as my children were going to experience his family and
how close they were, because I can emulate somewhat closer
to what I grew up with, His family because my
family's dispersed, they're all over the world. Um, so I
wouldn't if I moved to Seattle, it wouldn't be the
same thing that I do. It's closer to what we
grow up or what my kids grow up in Dallas.
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So I absolutely love it. I consider his mom one
of my best friends. And I couldn't imagine any better
way that my kids could grow up. That's so nice.
It's uh. I have a weird question for you, guys.
I've never asked this after talking about childhoods um and
we've we've interviewed a few parents, but like, what is
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your childhood represent to you now as parents? And let
me tell you where this is coming from. So for me,
the older and older I get, my childhood is like
more feels like a different it's like a different life.
I've forgotten a lot of things. I know, there's things
that I've kept with me. Does that even increase when
you become parents? Like how much of time do you
think back on like what brought you up to how
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you guide your kids today? I think I think a
lot of people will tell you as parents and as
you get older, even if you're not parents, you kind
of turn into your parents, so you realize the situation
that you were put in as a kid, and it
is this weird like I grew up, um looking at
my mom this way. I wonder if my kids look
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at me this way? And am I creating that environment
for them? And what will I not do how I
grew up? So I think there's a lot of comparing,
and I think it does transfer for you back to
your childhood, but in a very weird different way. It's
kind of like you're looking at yourself in my opinion,
like above and saying, Okay, is this kind of how
you grew up and what do you want to shape
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your kids to be in and guiding them in a
different way or in the same way that that your
childhood brought you. So I I look at it. It It
is a really cool way, especially knowing that my kids
are growing up with somebody who's who grew up very
opposite of me. So I'm trying to put in tidbits
into their life, um, how I grew up, But also
take you get to kind of pick and shoes how
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um your childhood shape you and try to figure out
how to shoot your kids. Yeah that I'm constantly thinking,
you know, how did my parents handle this situation with
me when I'm trying to handle that same situation with
my kids. Um, And then my parents did a lot
of wonderful things for me, which I want to pass
those wonderful things on and create those same wonderful memories
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with my kids. So yeah, I'm constantly thinking about my childhood.
But then again, I had a great childhood to think
back on. And I think you're also way more empathetic
to your parents. Like my mom raised three daughters on
a teacher salary, no partner um for the majority of
you know, for I guess half of my childhood. So
like I'm like mom and all the single moms out
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there that are working. I always say like, I'm so
grateful that I have a partner in this, and I
just kind of have a little bit more a different
perspective on that, and I'm grateful to have a partner,
but I also feel like looking at other people's situations,
I have um more empathy. Sean Um and your Bucky
talk about like having kind of in a little bit
loss as to what to do with your life after graduation.
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I feel like so many people go through that with
college like those like, you're just like, what the heck
am I doing for you? You didn't have football anymore.
You're doing insurance sales, right, I did. I did a
number of things. I've always been like a serial entrepreneur,
and so I started several different businesses. Some of them
worked okay, some of them feeled miserably. And then my
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family business and my family's insurance, and so the one
that failed miserably, I was like, I cannot take any
more chances being an entrepreneur. So I got into insurance,
which I knew I was gonna hate, and I got
into it. Yes, I hated it as much as I
thought I would. Um. And then the Bachelor came calling,
and and luckily for me, post Bachelor opportunities arose that
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allowed me to kind of flex these entrepreneurial muscles that
always wanted to flex. Nice. Yeah, I mean the Bachelor
came at the right time for me too, so I
get it. I had a great mentor in my early
twenties who told me you have until the age of
thirty two to kind of figure it out. I love
thinking of that tenure window during that time frame, because
when you're out of college so many people don't know
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what they're gonna do with their lives. And if you're
like me, you know you want to do something kind
of outside the box, but you don't know exactly what
it is. You know, you have these entrepreneurial urges. So
I always encourage everyone, like, just go try things. You
may like it, you may not, but go try things.
You don't have to have one steady job when you're
twenty four years old. You've got time to figure it out.
And then hopefully by the time you're thirty two, you've
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got to figure it out and you have kind of
a roadmap for the future. You know, you both have
been involved in a lot post Bachelor, and then you know,
obviously you've had um, you've had kids. My friends are
certain to have kids, and there's a lot of listeners
out there who have children. How do then do you
balance all of this because I think with my buddies,
there in this constant balance of just trying to hold
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a job with you know, three kids, four kids running around,
if you are trying to flex those muscles, if you
are trying to get involved in new opportunities and cool things,
how do you find the balance between that and parenting.
It's really hard. And we we are so fortunate, we're
so blessed that we get to do things and try
things with our you know, also parenting our children. We
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have a really good balance. But for a lot of
people out there, they don't have, um, the blessing to
kind of try things out and see if they work.
So maybe like having a hobby on the side of
your regular job would be really something like a good outlet.
Like I I have, um, a normal thing that we do,
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but then I have a side business that really gets
me excited. And if that thing that will turn into
something bigger than maybe that will be my main So
that's kind of yeah. And and practically speaking, we both
work from home. We both have great business partners who
are kind of boots on the ground type of people.
And then we have a nanny that helps us out
with the kids too, so we're seeing the kids a
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lot throughout the day. We're spending quality time with our
kids every single day. Um. And then we have great
partners who kind of provide support on the other end
as well. M H. Then should we get into the
bachelor process right now? Yeah? You know, I think this
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is all super intriguing for me because we have a
couple sitting in front of us who are terrific parents
who came from a show that we get to talk
about a lot. Now, I don't I don't think we
should sit on it for very long, Ash, but yeah,
we gotta dive in. Okay, So you both said you
didn't sign yourself up for it. You're both nominated by
other people who nominated who it was your sister, right, Sean?
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My sister nominated me and then her best friend. But
explain to about Shane and Andrew. Well, I introduced my
sister is married to one of my buddies that I
played football with the Case State, So I introduced them.
So she felt like at that stage in my life,
she needed to return the favor, hoping by some miracle
that the bachelor would worked out And here we are.
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Isn't that incredible? Katherine? How's your how's your how did
your audition tape? Like? Do you know what your audition
tape look like? Like? Did she fill out the questionnaire perfectly? So?
When did you find out? I don't actually know. I've
never seen like what she did. I just remember her
calling me and I was dating someone at the time,
and she did. My best friend did not like the
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guy I was dating. She was like, I think it actually,
and JP had just wrapped up and she was like, oh,
I want you to find your JP, and so she
put she's married. She knew. She knew that I like
to say yes to things because it's so fun and
I wanted to spree, and so she put my picture
up in some little tidbits and she called me one
night and was like, so, what pictures should I put up?
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And what O men to write this? And I was like,
totally disregarding what she was saying, could be completely crazy
in that moment um, and I told her like, that's
not my thing, Like I don't want to get drunk,
I don't want to wear a bikini, I don't want
to court with some guy. I'm happy in my life.
And so then three months later I get a call
and I'm super flattered, like I'm like, wow, these people
actually called me, and um, I was like, well, what
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can an email her? Right? So I called the guy
up that I was dating still and I told him, Hey,
you know the bachelors call me. How stupid? Is that? Like?
How crazy? And how ridiculous? And I was really being
negative about it, but I was still like very flattered
that they can call me, and he was like, oh,
you should do it, that's what the guy said. I
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was like, Okay, obviously don't want to be with me anymore.
And so I think that was like one of the
last conversations I ever had with him, was like, if
you really think that that is what I want for
my life is to be a celebrity, when like I
literally am living the complete opposite, like very content in it.
I was like, we're obviously not aligned in this. So
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we I what I remember, we broke up like literally
that day, um, because it just didn't make any sense
if you wanted me to go find the prince and
go marry him when I was dating. So I think
it's a really funny way to be um, like thrown
into the Bachelor. Do you feel like you found a prince?
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Oh yeah, I mean some day I did at the
time of kidding now. He is literally I remember seeing
him on Emily season and thinking like, that is a
specimen that I've never seen before. And not just that
he was very trafficked me. He was like a nice
family guy. He seemed very respectful um to other people.
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And it completely came true when I met him, Like
I knew seeing him behind the scenes and having those
camera times where you really aren't you're very limited um.
I witnessed him like being so respectful of the crew
and knowing their names and taking the time to actually
talk to them, and I knew that when he did
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that the cameras were down, that he was a genuinely
nice man who I was. I knew that I was
signing up and I was continuing this very weird um
situation to meet him and to be with him and
to court him. Katherine, I love that you're just like
I love your like flirting style, and I was reminded
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of it through that Goat episode that aired a couple
of months ago, because you just like look at you
and you're like you are the most wonderful, beautiful thing
I've ever seen in my entire life. And I did
the same thing to Jarry like every day, like hold
his face and like, do you know that you're a
prince so beautiful inside and out, Like it just doesn't
get old. And I love that you still act the
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exact same way. That's awesome. I could see that we
parallel each other sometimes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I didn't
get to like kind of see that your first time around.
Actually your first time around. I feel like you were
such a dark horse that we didn't get to well
we certainly, I feel like didn't get to know enough
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about you. And when we watched the Goat episode back,
I love the way that they highlighted you, the way
that I feel like they should have the entire season.
How do you feel about, like, I think, seriously being
the probably the darkest horse winner of all Bachelor history. Well,
thank you. I mean I I think I was because
I really was, like I didn't consider myself a contender
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for probably the four first four weeks I was. I
didn't not always looking at me. Um, I knew that
on paper we didn't really seem like a match. And
I looked at him like he was super hot and
someone who could never look at me, like just that
guy in high school. He was like everybody likes him
and he doesn't see you. And I kind of felt
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like that for the majority of my life. So seeing him,
I didn't really like think, oh, he's looking at me,
like I know I'm here, I'm probably checking the box
of the diversity, and I'm okay with that, Like I'm
having a blast, like he's he's like talking to me
and we're going to all places. So I really counted
myself out for those first four weeks. And then when
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he thought I had friend zoned him and we actually
shared our first kiss, I still felt those butterflies, and
I also took a lot of the things that he
said with a grain assault. I knew he was talking
to other girls the same way, so I kind of
still kept a conservative watch on our relationship and knowing
my feelings could escape me, so I kind of tried
to rein them in, and so I think that most
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of the show was me really not thinking that it
was a serious thing, Like yeah, I'm like looking at
him as if he's my crush, but really not more
because I don't think he sees me that way. Katherine,
I wanna highlight something you just said there, uh, because
I think a lot of our listeners feel this way, uh,
including myself. So you live most most of your life
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being the person that like would look in high school.
You said you felt like the outsider too, Sean, you
felt like you're watching him. You didn't think he was
ever gonna, you know, commit to you and like see
you in the same way that you saw him. So
if we jump up a little bit to the moment
that he did say hey, Catherine, like you're it. You
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know I love you. Let's make this thing happen. Has
has those insecurities left you at that moment? Did you
still have to work through those or they still lasting today?
A bit? Um, I think it's even down. And I
also know that throughout um the series or the season,
I knew that I had a lot to offer, but
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I didn't think it was in like the appearance wise, right,
So like I knew that I was dealing with models
like these girls on our season and all the seasons
are beautiful, they're studying, they could be models. And so
in the sense of my appearance, I never felt super confident,
and still to this day it's lingering. I think a
lot of girls have um insecurities in that way still.
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But I think I offered a lot in another way.
And I think when we were having the sis talks,
I knew what I brought to the table. If he
saw me and he was attracted to me, then I
knew that I could really add a different element to
it and not just be like, oh I'm I'm hot
and look at me and all this. I knew that
when we had conversations and he said, oh, I'm attracted
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to you, I could really talk about other things, and
so we felt I felt like an equal ish to him.
I felt more in line with him when he proposed.
And I also knew that he was so serious about
his words, and he had such conviction in the way
that he felt that he wouldn't have proposed to me
if he wasn't completely serious. Um So I just knew
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that about him, and I felt very validated in my
appearance through him, and I just think that we were
a really really good match. Um in and in every
other way. Sean, she talks so much about how you
know she felt like she was just like part of
the crowd. When did you really start noticing her? Well,
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I knew from from night one she had to contagious energy, uh,
you know, just so bubbledly and cute and like she
was just one of those people you can't put your
finger on it, but you know you just want to
be around them. That's how I felt on night one,
and so I knew I wanted to get to nowhere.
And then later on in that evening, on on night one,
she did this little ice cream thing where she could
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determine my personality by the ice cream might choose. I
just I thought all of that was really cute and
I loved her playfulness. Um as far as like really
picturing myself spending the rest of my life with her,
oh gosh, our first one on one in Canada was
pretty epic, and like, I had some serious feelings and
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I think, you know, I think when you're the lead
on the show and you have twenty six women, Um,
the first half of it is just spent like wow,
like this is overwhelming, and you're traveling and you're doing
this and that, and you're not really thinking about long term.
Uh you know, could I possibly married one of these women?
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For me? I wasn't. I was thinking, Wow, this is amazing.
We're having a great time travel in the world. But
once we spent that quality time together in Canada and
then we were able to spend a little time off
camera as well, UM, that's probably when the thoughts of
like I could really see myself with this girl wherever started.
Whenever I kind of admit to not going on the
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show for the right reasons. I always say Sean Low
didn't go on the show for the right reasons. He
admits it. Can you explain that? I mean, I looked
at the show. So when the casting director first called me,
I didn't know. I didn't know my sister had submitted
the application, and I politely told her like, no, thank you,
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because I would never take part in the cheesy show
like The Bachelor. And I had this idea of any
guy that were going a reality show like The Bachelor
must be a giant goosbag because that's not me. And
then before the phone she was like, well, just you know,
think about it, because at the very least to could
be a free vacation. So I go the following day
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to the job that I hated, you know, and I thought,
we all a free vacation would be pretty cool. And
so I totally did it for the vacation. I did
it for the experience. I just thought, you know, once
in a lifetime type of thing. When I'm sifty years old,
I can say I took part in a stupid reality
TV show and got to travel the world hopefully, um yeah,
never imagining it would lead to a wife and three kids.
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You know, let me add to that while I'm thinking
of it, the people who go on the show that
are convinced they're they're nuts. Absolutely, Sean, There's there's something
else that I've all I've always wanted to bring up
to you. I think you changed the Bachelor in many ways. Uh,
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And I don't think there's one negative to how you
changed the Bachelor process. But there's one that I've always
that's always did to me. I remember watching your season
and there's this really controversial opening scene that really highlighted
who you were as a bachelor, and it was just
your abs and and you're right, this may have been
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the turning point, the turning point, And like, this is
the biggest negative to me because now every single person
that comes on the show, their abs are highlighted, Like
every single dude has that shot. They never had that
shot with me. There's not one time in my whole
season that they did a slow mo from my feet
to my head, and if they did, nobody was like, oh,
holy cow shot. Watching that back as a man who
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was a family man, who didn't go on this show
thinking that you know, you would find love, that kind
of thought, Hey, this could be fun and then you
have to watch a slow moo of your body being
highlighted on national television. How does that feel? It's embarrassing,
it is. I went on that show with this like happy,
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go lucky, let's just have fun with that attitude. And
as you know, Ben, you've become friends with the producers,
and so the producers you're like, hey, let's get a
shot of you taking a shower? Yeah, sure, right on
ridiculous and over the top. And I wish if I
filmed it today, I probably would have said, yeah, can
we not do that? I can throw on a shirt.
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But for whatever reason, I just went with it. It's like, yeah,
these are my buddies, it's gonna be harmless and fun.
Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. It has changed the show forever.
I think that that shot has now been highlighted every
single time since then, other than one season and that
season twenty Um, Hey, before we get into life now,
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because I know there's a lot of cool things going on, uh,
I would love to spend a second uh talking about now.
Advice coming as a as a couple that has known
that his love that has came from the show, What
advice do you have for your like for anybody listening
that's in a relationship to tries to make this work. Uh,
have you been do you have anything special to share? Well?
(25:05):
I think that the I think that the society really
um shines like a negative light on and like makes
it fun. Like I was watching Friends and their whole
show is about failed relationships because of things that don't matter. Right,
So like, oh, she talks too fast, You're like, oh,
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never mind, I'm not going to marry that person. I
think that you take away the non negotiables and that's
if that's what you're left with, you can deal with
the other stuff. And I think a lot of people
are willing to give up something that could be great
for things that don't matter. Um. And I know that,
you know, Sean and I are completely opposite people, and
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there's a lot of things that he could say. He
could say about me, I don't want to be with
you because you're messy. Well, how ridiculous does that sound?
So like I'm not perfect? Why would I put those
expectations on a partner who could bring so much joy
and um, challenge into my life and grow me spiritually
and um, you know, just be that partner for you.
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So I my advice would be kind of, I know
that you're not a perfect person, and don't put those
expectations on your partner. Solid advice. Uh As for me,
I would say, and I'm kind of echoing what she said,
but if you're gonna rely on on an emotion like
I feel like I'm in love with this person, that
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will fail you because you're not gonna feel like you
love that person every day. Like marriage is hard, relationships
are hard, so you have to actively work and contribute
to the relationship. And I have to look at Catherine
and realize, like she has these needs over here that
she really wants me to feel as her husband, and
those don't come naturally to me, So I have to
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step out of my comfort zone and do what makes
her happy. Um, And I think that's so important, but
so many times we get caught up in our emotions
and life is all about emotions. Well, I mean, you
cannot be married for fifty years and just just rely
on that feeling of love. And then she also spoke
on the spiritual component. I mean, for us, we know
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that we have a God that loves us. We know
that we have a God that cares for us and
is guiding us and and that's our rocks. So for
those of you who maybe don't know that feeling, I
certainly encourage you to check it out. No offense to
Ben here. But Sean, why do you think you're the
only bachelor who ended up with the girl that he
chose in the end. No, no offense have been of course. Um.
(27:40):
I you know when people talk about the low success
rate of the bachelor, I always come back with intended
I think the success rate is crazy high, giving these
circuits you're grown into and then the expectation of making
it work post bachelor, and when you're being pulled in
a million different directions. Most likely you don't live in
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the same city. You know, some person has to leave
their family and their job and their friends behind like
it is against you. It is so incredibly difficult. So
the fact that how many people are married four or
five whatever, there is more than that. And I gave
all the credits capturing because she was the person that
left all of that stuff behind and she's she's amazing.
(28:25):
I think I just got really lucky. No, I, well,
I disagree, But stuff that I'm saying, because the men
have a harder time, for multiple reasons, for fruit for
many Oh, yes, I agree with you on this. The
Bachelorrette success right makes way more sense to me. Yes. Yeah,
so I feel like if he's gonna give me credit,
(28:46):
I gotta give him credit because he could have easily said,
never mind, buy I'm out hot girl over here in
l A that you know, I don't know you that well,
Like we didn't know each other very well. He didn't
have to stay with me. Um. So again it's that
work hard for something that we know could be great. Um,
and we both we both did that. Just to backtrack
(29:06):
a little bit and get into that season. Sean, how
did the producers not exploit the fact that you were
a born again virgin? You know, honestly, they never asked me.
I never asked. They never asked one time. And yeah, yeah,
they knew I was a Christian, and they knew I
definitely had like grounded, firm beliefs, but they never once
(29:30):
asked me about it. I don't think it was until
after the show. Someone must have known I was a
Christian and asked me something related to sex, and I
answered it honestly, and then just that's all anyone could
talk about So yeah, I'm probably Colton probably has me
to blame for his whole season being focused on that,
because it's kind of annoying. It wasn't the time anyway. Oh,
(29:52):
I know, Um, and then Catherine, if you didn't think
that you were the one for so long during the filming,
who did you think he was going to pick? Oh?
Leslie Leslie? Because they are very similar and I want
to I'm Leslie and I are very close, and I
(30:13):
was kind of matching him up to who I thought, Um,
he would like blonde hot um nice has a really
good family upbringing, she likes sports, So I kind of
put them like together, like obviously they would make sense,
and so I had it. It's actually kind of embarrassing.
There's a there's a part where she leaves where he
asked her to leave, and everything about my um perspective
(30:37):
on this whole process was shattered. I was like, if
he doesn't like her, how can you need because I
totally thought that they were a complete match. And Um,
once that happened, I thought, Okay, if she hadn't left,
I bet I would have ruled myself out and I
probably would have sabotaged sabotaged myself and not been for real.
(30:59):
And so we talked about Leslie and I talked about that, like,
if she didn't leave, I probably would not have been
the one. I don't know, are you giving her lots
of mommy advice? Now? I love her, and I mean,
if she asked me, I will absolutely give it to her.
But she's such a loving person. She has a wonderful family. Um,
so she knows I'm here for her. Yeah, we get
(31:20):
the nowhere on Winter Games and then less like she
came to han Duras with me a few years ago,
so I get to spend a whole week with her there.
She's an incredible human. Uh. Okay to close up this chapter, then, Sean, Uh,
why did you want to make it work with Catherine
with all the distractions going on around you? You're off
the Bachelor at this point. Uh. This is the secret
(31:42):
sauce that I think everybody wants to know and why
relationships sometimes don't work From this show? What made you
say no, I'm in this for the long haul? Oh man,
that's a big question. I would say one like me
falling in love with her on the show was very real. Yes,
there were a lot of things I didn't know about
(32:03):
her because you spent the limited amount of time together,
but the feeling of love was real. I knew there
was something very special about this woman, and I knew
that I just wanted that, needed that in my life forever.
And uh yeah, it just came down to commitment at
the end, and I made a lot of dumb choices
that harmed our relationship, Dancing with the Stars being a
(32:23):
big one. You know, we just got engaged, We're finally
able to go out in public, and then I spend
every day, twelve hours a day dancing, Like just not
a smart decision, Um, but I just wanted to make
it work. And uh, like I said, I give her
most of the credit because she's been incredible throughout everything,
but just throughout the whole thing, we definitely had our share.
(32:51):
We had our share of us and downs in the beginning,
no doubt about it, as anyone will in those circumstances.
But no, I just I never wanted to let ago.
It was the I mean, it was one of the
big reasons that your relationship was one of the big
reasons I didn't do Dancing with the Stars, because you
talked about how difficult. It was now granted it still
didn't work out, but that's you know, it's still though.
(33:13):
I mean, it's it's unfair the woman. Yeah, Catherine was
so excited just to be public and uh, hold your hand,
wanted to hold his hand. Yeah, because you're in hiding
for so long and finally we're in public and then
I just you know, I I'm gonna My defense is ignorance.
I didn't know what I was getting myself into. I
(33:34):
didn't know the time commitments. But uh yeah, looking back
at it, it was super unfair to her. Well, and
it's an exciting time, like it's a fun time, Like Sean,
you're getting opportunities throwing to you that you, you know,
a year before that would have never even imagined ever
having come your way. Well, yeah, that that was exactly
my mentality because I'm still thinking, just like on the Bachelor, hey,
once in a lifetime opportunity. And I still see myself
(33:55):
as this guy that was working this job that sucks,
and then you have Dancing with the Stars say and hey,
come do something absolutely ridiculous and we'll pay you a
lot of money to do it. But I didn't really
consider her feelings or how it would all play up.
Were you telling him not to do it or did
you think it would be fine? Yeah? I think I
(34:16):
think I had my insecurities cut back in, like who's
your partner and you're spending how many hours with someone
that's like very attractive and you're doing sensual things like
what um? But I think again both of us were
naive to the fact that it took way more time
than um and what was proposed and dancing, and she
(34:37):
saw that there was nothing sensual about it. That was
another worry. Yeah, you guys, yet that's hilarious and that
was a concern. Well, hey, I think I speak on
behalf of all of Bachelor Nation and saying that we're
glad you guys made it through. Your story is one
to be admired. Now we're gonna take a quick break.
(34:59):
When we come back, we want to talk about life now,
what you're up to, what you're doing, what the kids
are up to. Uh, we'll come back on the in
depth podcast with Sean and Katherine. So, would you guys
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say that dancing with the stars that period of your
relationship was the most difficult. I think there was two
parts of it. It was that and then we got
over that hump and then literally right after the show
ended and we could be ourselves. It was amazing because
that's when our relationship really could start. We you know,
we watched Working Bad until two in the morning and
(35:42):
had Thai food and would wake up when everyone it
was awesome. That's exactly what we wanted, but it took
so long to get there. Um. And then the first
year of marriage was really really hard for us, just
there's so many factors that are that are thrown at us.
So I think those two were super challenging. So you
as were on wife Swap and marriage boot Camp early
(36:03):
on in your relationship. Now, I know by reading fan
comments that they love to think that those issues and
that are highlighted on those shows are real issues. But
those shows, in my opinion, are so produced and so
toxic to a relationship. Um, how do you guys think
(36:27):
back on those times and those decisions horribly? And Like
I always like to use that as the perfect example
when people ask me, like is the Bachelor real? Like
how manipulated are you on the Bachelor? I'm like, the
Bachelor is like the most authentic reality show there is,
because there are other reality shows like those two that
(36:48):
that just they're not real, They're just not they're just clownish. Well,
I think that they were hard for different reasons. I
think that Merge boot Camp would actually made us as
a cup stronger um and spiritually, because we were very
connected in that moment, like wow, it's us and then
it's like everybody else and then a wife swap. I mean,
(37:11):
it was just ridiculous. I don't I own his underwar.
I don't never if did anything like. I mean, it's
just ridiculous it was. But it was a challenge for
other reasons. If we're being honest, it was a money grab,
like of course, shoot this for a week and we'll
pay you a big check, like we'll want to do
with Jason and Molly, and we felt comfortable. But like
after those two because they were stacked right back to that,
(37:33):
after that, we're like, we are being more discerning. This
is not okay, Like this does not very healthy, like
healthy at all. I was in like I had a
very bad eating thing at Marriage boot Camp because I
was so stressed out constantly, Like I lost so much
weight because it just was and it was not so
bad and like we we ended up having friends from it,
(37:55):
but like it was two weeks being in a being
completely uncomfortable. Um, Jared and I were sort of like
they were kind of asked us to do it last year.
It was never a firm offer, um, but they did
give us a number and we were just like, can
we respond to every fan that d M S S
(38:17):
or teats us about this show? Just I did it
for the money. We did it for the money. You
would have done it for the money, also for the
cast that you get. So like um Ran Tristan Ryan
did it and he had a wonderful cast, and those
people seemed more aligned with them the people that we
went on with it just it wasn't the same with us.
(38:39):
It just wasn't really relate to so it was it
was definitely more of a challenge for us. Is it
as much of a challenge as parenthood. No, No, there's
love and its like you can see the fruits of
your labor, like truly, you're you see this child since
(39:00):
trying to speak and was giving you a kiss and
waking up with I love you, momy, Like all of
this hard stuff is worth it with kids. Yeah, parenthood
is absolutely crazy and a lot of times you just
want to drive your car off the cliff, but at
the end of the day, you kind of love the kids,
so it's it's all worth it. Sean, you did a
post on Instagram recently and it made me laugh because
(39:21):
it's something that Jared and I talk about all the time.
You said that you love you know, Ellie the dog
and your daughter equally, because that's how you should treat
your children. You spoke to Ashley what it spokes to
me because we really are confused how we're going to
love something more than our dog, and this happens apparently,
(39:43):
so I have Ellie and then we had a boxing
that we lost a few years ago. My dogs were
my life for so long and everyone said, as soon
as you have kids, your dog's gonna take a back seat. Yeah,
I thought my head, and you know what, and they
were all liars because it's not true. Ellie hasn't gonna
backseat for nobody good. I love that job and I
(40:05):
give her more affection now, just because I felt guilty
that I've brought three other animals. It's, uh, this is
this is the best So in your relationship, then, as parents,
who plays bad cop, who plays a good cup I'm
probably more bad cop. Yeah, I'll dish it out every
once in a while, but she's primarily I'm way stricter
(40:26):
and he It's what's funny is I think it was
like the second day in our engagement. Um, we're in
Thailand and we're with the producers and we're just trying
to be normal and talk about things like I wasn't
able to talk about wedding and marriage and kids until
I knew that he actually felt the same way about me.
Try to act but um, I think it's a second day.
And he said, you know that you're going to be
(40:47):
the disciplinarian, right And I thought one like I still
had that. Actually I still had that really weird like
oh my gosh, this guy is like looking at me
feeling he's telling me he's gonna be I'm gonna area
like id. I was like curved it a little bit,
like okay, But I knew I would be the disciplinarian
because he just kind of wanted to be the fun like, oh,
(41:09):
I want my kids to just like come up and
hug me and be so happy to see me and
all these things that I knew that I would have
to be the strict can and that's kind of how
it's gone for the most part, but he does his
his share. The parenthood has to be weird. I mean,
I can't imagine the life Like the season of life
that you guys have been in the last two years
is something that I don't know if anybody can relate with.
(41:30):
How much of The Bachelor still influences your life today?
A lot? Well, I would say, I would only say
a lot because The Bachelor kind of evolved into this
weird Instagram world we're into, which we're still very active
doing that stuff, and so the people that watched us
on TV eight years ago, we're still kind of following
(41:52):
along with our lives today Instagram. So I'd say a lot. Yeah,
and we love I mean, we love that, and you
guys both know you guys love of but I'm like,
you can see how people really want to support you,
and so we've been blessed with the most amazing, supportive, motivating,
genuinely loving um people that witness us. And we also
(42:14):
have some level of discernment there too. What do we
want to share? What seems like something that would not
be okay to share for all these reasons because we
respect them, and it's been genuine obviously, like everything that
we do, um, has been very authentic to us. And
but some obviously outliers like those shows. Uh, what can
(42:37):
you talk to me about like the first year of
parenthood and how that is a strain on a couple's marriage.
I think it brought us closer or did it bring
you closer? Okay, because I experienced two different things based
on two different couples. Whenever I asked my parents, they're like,
it was the best year of our marriage. Yeah, I
think it brought us closer. When it was just the
(42:57):
two of us in a house, both working from home,
she focused all her energy on me, good or bad,
so Samuel into the picture. I don't know. It was
really cool to witness her as a mom and see
all this love that she that she showed me. She
(43:19):
shows even more so to our children, and I love
to witness that as as her husband and as their father.
But um, yeah, I don't think it was all that hard.
So I think pretty well, and we like to we're
not type A people at all, and I think that
the type of people might have had a harder time
because you bring your experiences into parenthood and you bring
(43:43):
your traditions in the way that you Like I wanted
to do cloth tapers and he was like what is
Like why would you do that? And like why would
you do that? You wouldn't. So anyway, there's there are
lots of things that you can bring in that could
hurt UM if you're degrading others like oh why would
you You're like continually saying, well, I wouldn't do it
(44:05):
like that. But for us, we didn't really have like
a specific way we wanted to do everything and routine
all the stuff. We were really experiencing it together, which
was super exciting, and we were we didn't know what
we were doing, and so it was really exciting for
us to to go through everything and we felt everything
and we were present and we said like this sucks together,
(44:25):
but we were saying this is great together. So I
think it was just a really fun time for us
and it's still continued to be because we are best friends.
We worked really well together um, and we were just
great partners. I think, yeah, that's something else. You're a
great team at great partners at is your nutral system plan?
(44:47):
Can you tell us a little bit about about the
eating plan? That you guys have. Yeah, So I feel
like for the last four years, five years, really, I've
been pregnant and had babies. Like it's just been a
NonStop cycle of I'm I'm now done breastfeeding. Oh, I'm
pregnant again. Like it's just a constant so like my
body has gone through it. And after like seven months
(45:10):
of having a baby, like Mia, the last baby, it
was just like I'm too comfortable and quarantine and all
these things. I'm like, I need to lose my weight
so that I could feel confident, I could be more
present with my kids and not have the insecurities that
I do. So like Neutra System has this really good plan.
It's a partner plan that Sean Shan's always been a
(45:31):
really good partner to me and with eating, with working out,
with parenting everything. So it felt super natural to have
him be my accountability partner in my Neuture system plan
because he knew that I wasn't feeling comfortable. So I
lost I lost six pounds with literally doing nothing for
the last month of just eating Neutral System and feeling
(45:52):
really good about their meals and because my issue is
forgetting to eat and then gorging and like because I
want to make a meal and I want to make
a big thing about it, but I don't have the time.
So it's super super easy for me to just go
and grab a nutral system like meal or shake or
snack and have my metabolism not go down the crapper.
(46:14):
So it's been it's been a really really good meal
plan for me because of the life stage that I'm
in and having a partner that's wanting to um do
it with me and we just talk about the meals together.
It's really fun because I'm like, oh, what did you like?
I'll order it for you again. And it's something to
where I don't feel alone in it and I'm a
(46:37):
I'm a dude who doesn't like cooking, so it's really
easy to And it's also nice because like as a girl,
like I don't know if if Sean's like this, Katherine,
but I'll be like Jared, what's going for dinner to
be like, I don't care, I'm going with anything. I'm like,
all right, you think there's something specific that you're craving,
(46:57):
whatever you want, it's like, okay, so just just to
get in the microwave you you deal. Yeah, Neutral systems great.
I gained like twenty pounds during the first few months
of COVID and finally I just reached a point It's like, okay,
I better, I better buckle down here. So I gotta
sweet tooth too. They've got a ton of desserts that
are great, low calories. It's just an easy way to
to you know, eat healthy well. You guys are obviously
(47:19):
great accountability partners to each other in and life and
parenthood when it comes to dieting and exercise. Uh. To
close out this this whole thing, Ashley always has a
really fun game that she plays with our guests. But
before we do, I like to do two things with you.
One is ask you one final question and then give
you the stage for a second. Um. But my last
(47:40):
final question for you, is there anybody out there listening
who doesn't get the following on Instagram? Can you just
take a few minutes here and explain your kids to
the listeners one by one? Oh man, Yeah, we're doing
this together. Is that as a joint venture? I'd say
a joint venture. I know you guys are busy. I
you don't have a lot of time left, so I
(48:01):
want to make sure that we get this in okay.
So Samuel is extremely intelligent. He's very sensitive. He is
beyond obsessed with animals from day one. He's only cared
about animals. And not like in a in like a
fun like silly way. It's like a very focused um.
(48:22):
He reads an encyclopedia of animals every single time. That's
his that's what he wants to do. Like we're like, okay,
it's quiet time. He sits in his room and lines
up his animals and says, this is like the sea.
And so then he reads and he's like, this animal
does this, he eats this, he does he's not the
same as this. So he is very intentional on his animals.
(48:44):
And it's been a really really cool thing because he
challenges us on that, like he knows that sometimes we
get it wrong. Obsessed with Samuel, super sensitive, so loving,
so friendly, he's never met a stranger. He crawls in
bed with us every morning around for him. Yeah, you
don't even realize he's in it until you roll over
(49:06):
and you roll into him. But he's just the sweetest kid.
He always says, Daddy, you're the best daddy. I love you, daddy,
Like just a very very sweet uh mild mannered kid,
which is awesome. Yeah, he's very sweet. Isaiah is more
of a brute. He doesn't speak so much, but he's
really really trying. I would say that sometimes I and
(49:29):
sometimes I post this on Instagram where Samuel has this
wealth of knowledge about things and he loves to share
it with us. And so there's Samuel saying, like you
a placephalist. There's a type of giant store cephalist. And
then isaiahs around here like this like he's like so
proud something ridiculous and not not impressive whatsoever, but he's
(49:51):
so proud of himself. Uh. He's so sweet. He's so
happy all the time. Yeah, you wake wake him up
from a nap. A lot of kids will go crazy
when you wake him up. Always happy, always smiling, always
kissing her. He's very pink and very gentle with her,
although he'll like run into something and hit his head
and laugh about it like that's amazing. It's very like
(50:14):
um a very dichotomous relationship with himself, like just I'm
gonna go run into something in the wall, laugh about it,
and then go really sweetly and kindly terminable history kiss her. Um.
He wants to do everything his big brother does. Um.
And his favorite food is sup, which makes no sense
whose favorite he wanted? And then Mia. Mia is such
(50:39):
a wonderful baby. She is so happy. She's around chaos,
consoling because her two older brothers are acting like two
taller boys. Um. She is she. I think she's going
to be very decisive. She's very particular. She'll tell you
what she likes and what she doesn't like, which is
very different from the boys at that age. Loves her daddy.
(51:02):
She's definitely gonna say daddy first. Um. And yeah, she's
she's up for anything. She has gone a long time
without having naps and having the right schedule because her
brothers and all the things that we do interrupt her.
But she's always happy and we cannot wait to see
what type of person she grows. And she'll be tough, um,
(51:24):
but she will be loved. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Well, hey,
thank you for sharing all of this. Ashley has thirty
seconds of rapid fire. I have one final close out
for you guys. We have one minute left. Ashley, take
it away. Okay, you talk about how I scream determines
a person's personality. What is your favorite ice creams and
(51:47):
what does that mean about you? It means he's kind
of just like a guy's guy. In my research, I
see this, yes, Um, and mine is I love the
an ice cream like. It sounds lame, but I really
don't like ice cream unless it's vegan. Um, you're from Seattle, yeah,
(52:08):
or it means you don't want to have some digestive
issues afterwards. As I get older, I can't handle ice
cream anymore. He's ridiculous. Okay, next question, Um, going off
of that, has there ever been a tweet or something
that Sean has put out about your family where he's
(52:31):
very sarcastic about it that you actually were like that
cross the line. I think there was one that I
was like, you need to take that down. I can't
remember what it was, but he usually if it's like
skirting a line, he'll check with me first it's okay,
and I'll usually say, yeah, that's dumb, but whatever. Um.
But he gets so much like praise for his tweets
(52:55):
in his Instagram. I kind of like to deflate his
a while. Now, why have you been off Twitter? Because
it's toxic and it's absolutely depressing getting on there and
just reading people yelling at each other. I was over it.
I would like to get back on just to tell
my little dad joke. But maybe I need to be
one of those weird people that don't follow anyone just
(53:17):
because I don't want to read the BS. Yeah, write
my little jokes. I was looking through Twitter, your Twitter
last night to you know, do this interview. I was like,
I have been without Shawn tweets, Shawn load tweets since June,
and I hadn't real psent time that bad. You didn't
even notice, so you're okay. Last question is what is
(53:39):
your favorite piece of furniture from your wayfair line. Oh gosh,
there's so many. Well, the o G is our pit,
the Chelsea, but I like the Vada that's mine. I
like the Data. Yeah, I would have to say the
Chelsea sectional, which we've deemed the pit. It's just it's huge,
just like eight ft by eight feet, and it was
(54:00):
out of the piece that launched our business, and uh,
you know, four years later, we're so proud of what
we've built. So it's kind of cool to look back.
It started with that one piece and now we've we've
got an entire collection. But if you like to nap.
The looks is like the absolute Yeah, they're all big, oversized,
super comfy. Check them out. They're really nice. I was
(54:20):
looking at the collection last night. Well, hey, Katherine and Sean,
we know you're busy. We know you gotta go. Um
final thing to close out a five second message to
anybody listening of encouragement that you guys want to pass
on to any listeners. Yeah, oh man, I'm starting. I
always say, oh gosh, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna start preaching.
(54:41):
James four fourteen says life is but a vapor. This
crazy world we live in will be gone in a
blink of an eye. Your life is not that long
in terms of eternity, so let's start looking at things
from an eternal perspective. Love your neighbor, that's that's going.
I feel like just I think people don't know how
love they are and how capable they are of doing things.
(55:03):
So if you're scared about doing something or you feel alone,
just know that you're loved and you're capable. Guys are great. Hey,
follow along with Ashley and I. This has been Seawan
and Katherine on the In Depth podcast. We appreciate him
a lot. We celebrate them as a family. Follow along
with my league guys. Okay, you'll get it. It's easy
with that. I've been been, I've been Ashley first. Catherine, Yeah,
(55:25):
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This is Ben and Ashley I almost famous in depth well.
As usual, in depths are Ashley's favorite thing to do
during the week, and this week we have two people
who really need no introduction. In fact, there isn't even
an introduction to give because they are so known, they're
(00:21):
so loved, they are be loved. They have been around
Batchelor nation for a bit, but that is not now
what we want to talk to Hi about. We want
to talk to him about their life post bachelor, what
families like, what they're up to, what they're doing. Sean
and Catherine, thank you for joining us, Thanks for having us,
Thanks for having us. We also want to talk about
pre bachelor life. Uh So we start out these in
(00:44):
depths basically by asking everyone just to describe their childhood
in like two minutes. Wow. Yeah, siblings, parents like what
you're like in school, the shy kid, the popular kid. Sean,
I feel like you're the job I'll start. Uh yeah,
I guess. I guess you could say I was the jock.
(01:05):
Raised by two amazing parents. I have an older sister,
shay Um, raising Irban, Texas, just outside of Dallas. It
was it was a great idea like upbringing Um, we
always talked about schools because we have kids or starting
to get to the age of going to school and everything.
I didn't go to the best school, but I think
that helped me a lot. A lot of my best
friends came from like single family homes and things like that,
(01:28):
so I think it just gave me perspective which I
really still appreciate to this day. And uh, yeah, I
was always kind of the jock. Also an academic. I
was on a role too, but uh ended up ended
up going to Kansas State on a on a football scholarship,
and then I guess in my twenties kind of bounced
(01:51):
around jobs and then the bachelor came knocking. We'll go
to Katherine before I go about your post grad life,
because I I remember wanting to talk about that because
of your book, because I read your book five years ago.
Thanks Kavine. So mine was probably the opposite of Sean Low's.
I grew up in Seattle. I had two sisters. I
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have two sisters, and I grew up next door to
five cousins and uncle and auntie and grandma. And I
think that being so close to my family it gave
me a really cool perspective, and that's kind of what
I want for our children, um, just to to be
around family and to to prioritize. So yeah, I grew
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up in Seattle. I was a kid who like to
do everything. So I played football in sixth grade. But
then I was a cheerleader in high school and I
played soccer, and so I was super active and I
really wanted to try everything. And then the State's we
went to Washington State go Coogs and and it was
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in the state, but it was a opposite, completely opposite
of Seattle, and what um just the environment of being
able to understand a completely different way of life. These
people were, um, you know, agg people, and they just
came from the opposite side. So it kind of helped
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me adapt to Dallas because Dallas is the complete opposite
of Seattle. UM. And then after college I came back
to Seattle. I worked at Amazon as a graphic designer,
and I had a really normal, like happy, balanced um
upbringing I think. And then I went on the show,
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which I didn't sign up for. Either one of us
signed up to go on the show because we were
just so normal. We didn't really think that that's like
what our life was gonna be, and we weren't really interested,
Like I wrote the bus and I wore burgen stocks
and I wasn't concerned at all about what people thought
about me, and so going on the show was like
just surreal. So that's that's Do you ever get jealous?
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Um that you are close to Shawn's family in Texas
and far and the kids get to be with them
all the time and not with yours in Seattle because
Jared and I plan on moving to his home state,
and I wonder if I'll ever be like, but you know,
your parents get to say them all the time. Well,
I mean, it's totally dependent on your situation. I absolutely
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love it. I feel like when we moved to Dallas,
it was a really hard adjustment for me personally because
it was one eight right, so like everything was different.
I didn't have like a stable um situation where I
was working and I was meeting people there. It was
really I was living his life, and so it was
a really hard transition. But I knew that as long
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as my children were going to experience his family and
how close they were, because I can emulate somewhat closer
to what I grew up with, His family because my
family's dispersed, they're all over the world. Um, so I
wouldn't if I moved to Seattle, it wouldn't be the
same thing that I do. It's closer to what we
grow up or what my kids grow up in Dallas.
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So I absolutely love it. I consider his mom one
of my best friends. And I couldn't imagine any better
way that my kids could grow up. That's so nice.
It's uh. I have a weird question for you, guys.
I've never asked this after talking about childhoods um and
we've we've interviewed a few parents, but like, what is
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your childhood represent to you now as parents? And let
me tell you where this is coming from. So for me,
the older and older I get, my childhood is like
more feels like a different it's like a different life.
I've forgotten a lot of things. I know, there's things
that I've kept with me. Does that even increase when
you become parents? Like how much of time do you
think back on like what brought you up to how
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you guide your kids today? I think I think a
lot of people will tell you as parents and as
you get older, even if you're not parents, you kind
of turn into your parents, so you realize the situation
that you were put in as a kid, and it
is this weird like I grew up, um looking at
my mom this way. I wonder if my kids look
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at me this way? And am I creating that environment
for them? And what will I not do how I
grew up? So I think there's a lot of comparing,
and I think it does transfer for you back to
your childhood, but in a very weird different way. It's
kind of like you're looking at yourself in my opinion,
like above and saying, Okay, is this kind of how
you grew up and what do you want to shape
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your kids to be in and guiding them in a
different way or in the same way that that your
childhood brought you. So I I look at it. It It
is a really cool way, especially knowing that my kids
are growing up with somebody who's who grew up very
opposite of me. So I'm trying to put in tidbits
into their life, um, how I grew up, But also
take you get to kind of pick and shoes how
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um your childhood shape you and try to figure out
how to shoot your kids. Yeah that I'm constantly thinking,
you know, how did my parents handle this situation with
me when I'm trying to handle that same situation with
my kids. Um, And then my parents did a lot
of wonderful things for me, which I want to pass
those wonderful things on and create those same wonderful memories
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with my kids. So yeah, I'm constantly thinking about my childhood.
But then again, I had a great childhood to think
back on. And I think you're also way more empathetic
to your parents. Like my mom raised three daughters on
a teacher salary, no partner um for the majority of
you know, for I guess half of my childhood. So
like I'm like mom and all the single moms out
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there that are working. I always say like, I'm so
grateful that I have a partner in this, and I
just kind of have a little bit more a different
perspective on that, and I'm grateful to have a partner,
but I also feel like looking at other people's situations,
I have um more empathy. Sean Um and your Bucky
talk about like having kind of in a little bit
loss as to what to do with your life after graduation.
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I feel like so many people go through that with
college like those like, you're just like, what the heck
am I doing for you? You didn't have football anymore.
You're doing insurance sales, right, I did. I did a
number of things. I've always been like a serial entrepreneur,
and so I started several different businesses. Some of them
worked okay, some of them feeled miserably. And then my
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family business and my family's insurance, and so the one
that failed miserably, I was like, I cannot take any
more chances being an entrepreneur. So I got into insurance,
which I knew I was gonna hate, and I got
into it. Yes, I hated it as much as I
thought I would. Um. And then the Bachelor came calling,
and and luckily for me, post Bachelor opportunities arose that
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allowed me to kind of flex these entrepreneurial muscles that
always wanted to flex. Nice. Yeah, I mean the Bachelor
came at the right time for me too, so I
get it. I had a great mentor in my early
twenties who told me you have until the age of
thirty two to kind of figure it out. I love
thinking of that tenure window during that time frame, because
when you're out of college so many people don't know
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what they're gonna do with their lives. And if you're
like me, you know you want to do something kind
of outside the box, but you don't know exactly what
it is. You know, you have these entrepreneurial urges. So
I always encourage everyone, like, just go try things. You
may like it, you may not, but go try things.
You don't have to have one steady job when you're
twenty four years old. You've got time to figure it out.
And then hopefully by the time you're thirty two, you've
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got to figure it out and you have kind of
a roadmap for the future. You know, you both have
been involved in a lot post Bachelor, and then you know,
obviously you've had um, you've had kids. My friends are
certain to have kids, and there's a lot of listeners
out there who have children. How do then do you
balance all of this because I think with my buddies,
there in this constant balance of just trying to hold
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a job with you know, three kids, four kids running around,
if you are trying to flex those muscles, if you
are trying to get involved in new opportunities and cool things,
how do you find the balance between that and parenting.
It's really hard. And we we are so fortunate, we're
so blessed that we get to do things and try
things with our you know, also parenting our children. We
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have a really good balance. But for a lot of
people out there, they don't have, um, the blessing to
kind of try things out and see if they work.
So maybe like having a hobby on the side of
your regular job would be really something like a good outlet.
Like I I have, um, a normal thing that we do,
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but then I have a side business that really gets
me excited. And if that thing that will turn into
something bigger than maybe that will be my main So
that's kind of yeah. And and practically speaking, we both
work from home. We both have great business partners who
are kind of boots on the ground type of people.
And then we have a nanny that helps us out
with the kids too, so we're seeing the kids a
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lot throughout the day. We're spending quality time with our
kids every single day. Um. And then we have great
partners who kind of provide support on the other end
as well. M H. Then should we get into the
bachelor process right now? Yeah? You know, I think this
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is all super intriguing for me because we have a
couple sitting in front of us who are terrific parents
who came from a show that we get to talk
about a lot. Now, I don't I don't think we
should sit on it for very long, Ash, but yeah,
we gotta dive in. Okay, So you both said you
didn't sign yourself up for it. You're both nominated by
other people who nominated who it was your sister, right, Sean?
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My sister nominated me and then her best friend. But
explain to about Shane and Andrew. Well, I introduced my
sister is married to one of my buddies that I
played football with the Case State, So I introduced them.
So she felt like at that stage in my life,
she needed to return the favor, hoping by some miracle
that the bachelor would worked out And here we are.
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Isn't that incredible? Katherine? How's your how's your how did
your audition tape? Like? Do you know what your audition
tape look like? Like? Did she fill out the questionnaire perfectly? So?
When did you find out? I don't actually know. I've
never seen like what she did. I just remember her
calling me and I was dating someone at the time,
and she did. My best friend did not like the
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guy I was dating. She was like, I think it actually,
and JP had just wrapped up and she was like, oh,
I want you to find your JP, and so she
put she's married. She knew. She knew that I like
to say yes to things because it's so fun and
I wanted to spree, and so she put my picture
up in some little tidbits and she called me one
night and was like, so, what pictures should I put up?
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And what O men to write this? And I was like,
totally disregarding what she was saying, could be completely crazy
in that moment um, and I told her like, that's
not my thing, Like I don't want to get drunk,
I don't want to wear a bikini, I don't want
to court with some guy. I'm happy in my life.
And so then three months later I get a call
and I'm super flattered, like I'm like, wow, these people
actually called me, and um, I was like, well, what
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can an email her? Right? So I called the guy
up that I was dating still and I told him, Hey,
you know the bachelors call me. How stupid? Is that? Like?
How crazy? And how ridiculous? And I was really being
negative about it, but I was still like very flattered
that they can call me, and he was like, oh,
you should do it, that's what the guy said. I
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was like, Okay, obviously don't want to be with me anymore.
And so I think that was like one of the
last conversations I ever had with him, was like, if
you really think that that is what I want for
my life is to be a celebrity, when like I
literally am living the complete opposite, like very content in it.
I was like, we're obviously not aligned in this. So
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we I what I remember, we broke up like literally
that day, um, because it just didn't make any sense
if you wanted me to go find the prince and
go marry him when I was dating. So I think
it's a really funny way to be um, like thrown
into the Bachelor. Do you feel like you found a prince?
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Oh yeah, I mean some day I did at the
time of kidding now. He is literally I remember seeing
him on Emily season and thinking like, that is a
specimen that I've never seen before. And not just that
he was very trafficked me. He was like a nice
family guy. He seemed very respectful um to other people.
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And it completely came true when I met him, Like
I knew seeing him behind the scenes and having those
camera times where you really aren't you're very limited um.
I witnessed him like being so respectful of the crew
and knowing their names and taking the time to actually
talk to them, and I knew that when he did
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that the cameras were down, that he was a genuinely
nice man who I was. I knew that I was
signing up and I was continuing this very weird um
situation to meet him and to be with him and
to court him. Katherine, I love that you're just like
I love your like flirting style, and I was reminded
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of it through that Goat episode that aired a couple
of months ago, because you just like look at you
and you're like you are the most wonderful, beautiful thing
I've ever seen in my entire life. And I did
the same thing to Jarry like every day, like hold
his face and like, do you know that you're a
prince so beautiful inside and out, Like it just doesn't
get old. And I love that you still act the
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exact same way. That's awesome. I could see that we
parallel each other sometimes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I didn't
get to like kind of see that your first time around.
Actually your first time around. I feel like you were
such a dark horse that we didn't get to well
we certainly, I feel like didn't get to know enough
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about you. And when we watched the Goat episode back,
I love the way that they highlighted you, the way
that I feel like they should have the entire season.
How do you feel about, like, I think, seriously being
the probably the darkest horse winner of all Bachelor history. Well,
thank you. I mean I I think I was because
I really was, like I didn't consider myself a contender
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for probably the four first four weeks I was. I
didn't not always looking at me. Um, I knew that
on paper we didn't really seem like a match. And
I looked at him like he was super hot and
someone who could never look at me, like just that
guy in high school. He was like everybody likes him
and he doesn't see you. And I kind of felt
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like that for the majority of my life. So seeing him,
I didn't really like think, oh, he's looking at me,
like I know I'm here, I'm probably checking the box
of the diversity, and I'm okay with that, Like I'm
having a blast, like he's he's like talking to me
and we're going to all places. So I really counted
myself out for those first four weeks. And then when
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he thought I had friend zoned him and we actually
shared our first kiss, I still felt those butterflies, and
I also took a lot of the things that he
said with a grain assault. I knew he was talking
to other girls the same way, so I kind of
still kept a conservative watch on our relationship and knowing
my feelings could escape me, so I kind of tried
to rein them in, and so I think that most
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of the show was me really not thinking that it
was a serious thing, Like yeah, I'm like looking at
him as if he's my crush, but really not more
because I don't think he sees me that way. Katherine,
I wanna highlight something you just said there, uh, because
I think a lot of our listeners feel this way, uh,
including myself. So you live most most of your life
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being the person that like would look in high school.
You said you felt like the outsider too, Sean, you
felt like you're watching him. You didn't think he was
ever gonna, you know, commit to you and like see
you in the same way that you saw him. So
if we jump up a little bit to the moment
that he did say hey, Catherine, like you're it. You
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know I love you. Let's make this thing happen. Has
has those insecurities left you at that moment? Did you
still have to work through those or they still lasting today?
A bit? Um, I think it's even down. And I
also know that throughout um the series or the season,
I knew that I had a lot to offer, but
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I didn't think it was in like the appearance wise, right,
So like I knew that I was dealing with models
like these girls on our season and all the seasons
are beautiful, they're studying, they could be models. And so
in the sense of my appearance, I never felt super confident,
and still to this day it's lingering. I think a
lot of girls have um insecurities in that way still.
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But I think I offered a lot in another way.
And I think when we were having the sis talks,
I knew what I brought to the table. If he
saw me and he was attracted to me, then I
knew that I could really add a different element to
it and not just be like, oh I'm I'm hot
and look at me and all this. I knew that
when we had conversations and he said, oh, I'm attracted
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to you, I could really talk about other things, and
so we felt I felt like an equal ish to him.
I felt more in line with him when he proposed.
And I also knew that he was so serious about
his words, and he had such conviction in the way
that he felt that he wouldn't have proposed to me
if he wasn't completely serious. Um So I just knew
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that about him, and I felt very validated in my
appearance through him, and I just think that we were
a really really good match. Um in and in every
other way. Sean, she talks so much about how you
know she felt like she was just like part of
the crowd. When did you really start noticing her? Well,
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I knew from from night one she had to contagious energy, uh,
you know, just so bubbledly and cute and like she
was just one of those people you can't put your
finger on it, but you know you just want to
be around them. That's how I felt on night one,
and so I knew I wanted to get to nowhere.
And then later on in that evening, on on night one,
she did this little ice cream thing where she could
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determine my personality by the ice cream might choose. I
just I thought all of that was really cute and
I loved her playfulness. Um as far as like really
picturing myself spending the rest of my life with her,
oh gosh, our first one on one in Canada was
pretty epic, and like, I had some serious feelings and
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I think, you know, I think when you're the lead
on the show and you have twenty six women, Um,
the first half of it is just spent like wow,
like this is overwhelming, and you're traveling and you're doing
this and that, and you're not really thinking about long term.
Uh you know, could I possibly married one of these women?
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For me? I wasn't. I was thinking, Wow, this is amazing.
We're having a great time travel in the world. But
once we spent that quality time together in Canada and
then we were able to spend a little time off
camera as well, UM, that's probably when the thoughts of
like I could really see myself with this girl wherever started.
Whenever I kind of admit to not going on the
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show for the right reasons. I always say Sean Low
didn't go on the show for the right reasons. He
admits it. Can you explain that? I mean, I looked
at the show. So when the casting director first called me,
I didn't know. I didn't know my sister had submitted
the application, and I politely told her like, no, thank you,
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because I would never take part in the cheesy show
like The Bachelor. And I had this idea of any
guy that were going a reality show like The Bachelor
must be a giant goosbag because that's not me. And
then before the phone she was like, well, just you know,
think about it, because at the very least to could
be a free vacation. So I go the following day
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to the job that I hated, you know, and I thought,
we all a free vacation would be pretty cool. And
so I totally did it for the vacation. I did
it for the experience. I just thought, you know, once
in a lifetime type of thing. When I'm sifty years old,
I can say I took part in a stupid reality
TV show and got to travel the world hopefully, um yeah,
never imagining it would lead to a wife and three kids.
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You know, let me add to that while I'm thinking
of it, the people who go on the show that
are convinced they're they're nuts. Absolutely, Sean, There's there's something
else that I've all I've always wanted to bring up
to you. I think you changed the Bachelor in many ways. Uh,
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And I don't think there's one negative to how you
changed the Bachelor process. But there's one that I've always
that's always did to me. I remember watching your season
and there's this really controversial opening scene that really highlighted
who you were as a bachelor, and it was just
your abs and and you're right, this may have been
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the turning point, the turning point, And like, this is
the biggest negative to me because now every single person
that comes on the show, their abs are highlighted, Like
every single dude has that shot. They never had that
shot with me. There's not one time in my whole
season that they did a slow mo from my feet
to my head, and if they did, nobody was like, oh,
holy cow shot. Watching that back as a man who
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was a family man, who didn't go on this show
thinking that you know, you would find love, that kind
of thought, Hey, this could be fun and then you
have to watch a slow moo of your body being
highlighted on national television. How does that feel? It's embarrassing,
it is. I went on that show with this like happy,
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go lucky, let's just have fun with that attitude. And
as you know, Ben, you've become friends with the producers,
and so the producers you're like, hey, let's get a
shot of you taking a shower? Yeah, sure, right on
ridiculous and over the top. And I wish if I
filmed it today, I probably would have said, yeah, can
we not do that? I can throw on a shirt.
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But for whatever reason, I just went with it. It's like, yeah,
these are my buddies, it's gonna be harmless and fun.
Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. It has changed the show forever.
I think that that shot has now been highlighted every
single time since then, other than one season and that
season twenty Um, Hey, before we get into life now,
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because I know there's a lot of cool things going on, uh,
I would love to spend a second uh talking about now.
Advice coming as a as a couple that has known
that his love that has came from the show, What
advice do you have for your like for anybody listening
that's in a relationship to tries to make this work. Uh,
have you been do you have anything special to share? Well?
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I think that the I think that the society really
um shines like a negative light on and like makes
it fun. Like I was watching Friends and their whole
show is about failed relationships because of things that don't matter. Right,
So like, oh, she talks too fast, You're like, oh,
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never mind, I'm not going to marry that person. I
think that you take away the non negotiables and that's
if that's what you're left with, you can deal with
the other stuff. And I think a lot of people
are willing to give up something that could be great
for things that don't matter. Um. And I know that,
you know, Sean and I are completely opposite people, and
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there's a lot of things that he could say. He
could say about me, I don't want to be with
you because you're messy. Well, how ridiculous does that sound?
So like I'm not perfect? Why would I put those
expectations on a partner who could bring so much joy
and um, challenge into my life and grow me spiritually
and um, you know, just be that partner for you.
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So I my advice would be kind of, I know
that you're not a perfect person, and don't put those
expectations on your partner. Solid advice. Uh As for me,
I would say, and I'm kind of echoing what she said,
but if you're gonna rely on on an emotion like
I feel like I'm in love with this person, that
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will fail you because you're not gonna feel like you
love that person every day. Like marriage is hard, relationships
are hard, so you have to actively work and contribute
to the relationship. And I have to look at Catherine
and realize, like she has these needs over here that
she really wants me to feel as her husband, and
those don't come naturally to me, So I have to
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step out of my comfort zone and do what makes
her happy. Um, And I think that's so important, but
so many times we get caught up in our emotions
and life is all about emotions. Well, I mean, you
cannot be married for fifty years and just just rely
on that feeling of love. And then she also spoke
on the spiritual component. I mean, for us, we know
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that we have a God that loves us. We know
that we have a God that cares for us and
is guiding us and and that's our rocks. So for
those of you who maybe don't know that feeling, I
certainly encourage you to check it out. No offense to
Ben here. But Sean, why do you think you're the
only bachelor who ended up with the girl that he
chose in the end. No, no offense have been of course. Um.
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I you know when people talk about the low success
rate of the bachelor, I always come back with intended
I think the success rate is crazy high, giving these
circuits you're grown into and then the expectation of making
it work post bachelor, and when you're being pulled in
a million different directions. Most likely you don't live in
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the same city. You know, some person has to leave
their family and their job and their friends behind like
it is against you. It is so incredibly difficult. So
the fact that how many people are married four or
five whatever, there is more than that. And I gave
all the credits capturing because she was the person that
left all of that stuff behind and she's she's amazing.
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I think I just got really lucky. No, I, well,
I disagree, But stuff that I'm saying, because the men
have a harder time, for multiple reasons, for fruit for
many Oh, yes, I agree with you on this. The
Bachelorrette success right makes way more sense to me. Yes. Yeah,
so I feel like if he's gonna give me credit,
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I gotta give him credit because he could have easily said,
never mind, buy I'm out hot girl over here in
l A that you know, I don't know you that well,
Like we didn't know each other very well. He didn't
have to stay with me. Um. So again it's that
work hard for something that we know could be great. Um,
and we both we both did that. Just to backtrack
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a little bit and get into that season. Sean, how
did the producers not exploit the fact that you were
a born again virgin? You know, honestly, they never asked me.
I never asked. They never asked one time. And yeah, yeah,
they knew I was a Christian, and they knew I
definitely had like grounded, firm beliefs, but they never once
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asked me about it. I don't think it was until
after the show. Someone must have known I was a
Christian and asked me something related to sex, and I
answered it honestly, and then just that's all anyone could
talk about So yeah, I'm probably Colton probably has me
to blame for his whole season being focused on that,
because it's kind of annoying. It wasn't the time anyway. Oh,
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I know, Um, and then Catherine, if you didn't think
that you were the one for so long during the filming,
who did you think he was going to pick? Oh?
Leslie Leslie? Because they are very similar and I want
to I'm Leslie and I are very close, and I
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was kind of matching him up to who I thought, Um,
he would like blonde hot um nice has a really
good family upbringing, she likes sports, So I kind of
put them like together, like obviously they would make sense,
and so I had it. It's actually kind of embarrassing.
There's a there's a part where she leaves where he
asked her to leave, and everything about my um perspective
(30:37):
on this whole process was shattered. I was like, if
he doesn't like her, how can you need because I
totally thought that they were a complete match. And Um,
once that happened, I thought, Okay, if she hadn't left,
I bet I would have ruled myself out and I
probably would have sabotaged sabotaged myself and not been for real.
(30:59):
And so we talked about Leslie and I talked about that, like,
if she didn't leave, I probably would not have been
the one. I don't know, are you giving her lots
of mommy advice? Now? I love her, and I mean,
if she asked me, I will absolutely give it to her.
But she's such a loving person. She has a wonderful family. Um,
so she knows I'm here for her. Yeah, we get
(31:20):
the nowhere on Winter Games and then less like she
came to han Duras with me a few years ago,
so I get to spend a whole week with her there.
She's an incredible human. Uh. Okay to close up this chapter, then, Sean, Uh,
why did you want to make it work with Catherine
with all the distractions going on around you? You're off
the Bachelor at this point. Uh. This is the secret
(31:42):
sauce that I think everybody wants to know and why
relationships sometimes don't work From this show? What made you
say no, I'm in this for the long haul? Oh man,
that's a big question. I would say one like me
falling in love with her on the show was very real. Yes,
there were a lot of things I didn't know about
(32:03):
her because you spent the limited amount of time together,
but the feeling of love was real. I knew there
was something very special about this woman, and I knew
that I just wanted that, needed that in my life forever.
And uh yeah, it just came down to commitment at
the end, and I made a lot of dumb choices
that harmed our relationship, Dancing with the Stars being a
(32:23):
big one. You know, we just got engaged, We're finally
able to go out in public, and then I spend
every day, twelve hours a day dancing, Like just not
a smart decision, Um, but I just wanted to make
it work. And uh, like I said, I give her
most of the credit because she's been incredible throughout everything,
but just throughout the whole thing, we definitely had our share.
(32:51):
We had our share of us and downs in the beginning,
no doubt about it, as anyone will in those circumstances.
But no, I just I never wanted to let ago.
It was the I mean, it was one of the
big reasons that your relationship was one of the big
reasons I didn't do Dancing with the Stars, because you
talked about how difficult. It was now granted it still
didn't work out, but that's you know, it's still though.
(33:13):
I mean, it's it's unfair the woman. Yeah, Catherine was
so excited just to be public and uh, hold your hand,
wanted to hold his hand. Yeah, because you're in hiding
for so long and finally we're in public and then
I just you know, I I'm gonna My defense is ignorance.
I didn't know what I was getting myself into. I
(33:34):
didn't know the time commitments. But uh yeah, looking back
at it, it was super unfair to her. Well, and
it's an exciting time, like it's a fun time, Like Sean,
you're getting opportunities throwing to you that you, you know,
a year before that would have never even imagined ever
having come your way. Well, yeah, that that was exactly
my mentality because I'm still thinking, just like on the Bachelor, hey,
once in a lifetime opportunity. And I still see myself
(33:55):
as this guy that was working this job that sucks,
and then you have Dancing with the Stars say and hey,
come do something absolutely ridiculous and we'll pay you a
lot of money to do it. But I didn't really
consider her feelings or how it would all play up.
Were you telling him not to do it or did
you think it would be fine? Yeah? I think I
(34:16):
think I had my insecurities cut back in, like who's
your partner and you're spending how many hours with someone
that's like very attractive and you're doing sensual things like
what um? But I think again both of us were
naive to the fact that it took way more time
than um and what was proposed and dancing, and she
(34:37):
saw that there was nothing sensual about it. That was
another worry. Yeah, you guys, yet that's hilarious and that
was a concern. Well, hey, I think I speak on
behalf of all of Bachelor Nation and saying that we're
glad you guys made it through. Your story is one
to be admired. Now we're gonna take a quick break.
(34:59):
When we come back, we want to talk about life now,
what you're up to, what you're doing, what the kids
are up to. Uh, we'll come back on the in
depth podcast with Sean and Katherine. So, would you guys
(35:20):
say that dancing with the stars that period of your
relationship was the most difficult. I think there was two
parts of it. It was that and then we got
over that hump and then literally right after the show
ended and we could be ourselves. It was amazing because
that's when our relationship really could start. We you know,
we watched Working Bad until two in the morning and
(35:42):
had Thai food and would wake up when everyone it
was awesome. That's exactly what we wanted, but it took
so long to get there. Um. And then the first
year of marriage was really really hard for us, just
there's so many factors that are that are thrown at us.
So I think those two were super challenging. So you
as were on wife Swap and marriage boot Camp early
(36:03):
on in your relationship. Now, I know by reading fan
comments that they love to think that those issues and
that are highlighted on those shows are real issues. But
those shows, in my opinion, are so produced and so
toxic to a relationship. Um, how do you guys think
(36:27):
back on those times and those decisions horribly? And Like
I always like to use that as the perfect example
when people ask me, like is the Bachelor real? Like
how manipulated are you on the Bachelor? I'm like, the
Bachelor is like the most authentic reality show there is,
because there are other reality shows like those two that
(36:48):
that just they're not real, They're just not they're just clownish. Well,
I think that they were hard for different reasons. I
think that Merge boot Camp would actually made us as
a cup stronger um and spiritually, because we were very
connected in that moment, like wow, it's us and then
it's like everybody else and then a wife swap. I mean,
(37:11):
it was just ridiculous. I don't I own his underwar.
I don't never if did anything like. I mean, it's
just ridiculous it was. But it was a challenge for
other reasons. If we're being honest, it was a money grab,
like of course, shoot this for a week and we'll
pay you a big check, like we'll want to do
with Jason and Molly, and we felt comfortable. But like
after those two because they were stacked right back to that,
(37:33):
after that, we're like, we are being more discerning. This
is not okay, Like this does not very healthy, like
healthy at all. I was in like I had a
very bad eating thing at Marriage boot Camp because I
was so stressed out constantly, Like I lost so much
weight because it just was and it was not so
bad and like we we ended up having friends from it,
(37:55):
but like it was two weeks being in a being
completely uncomfortable. Um, Jared and I were sort of like
they were kind of asked us to do it last year.
It was never a firm offer, um, but they did
give us a number and we were just like, can
we respond to every fan that d M S S
(38:17):
or teats us about this show? Just I did it
for the money. We did it for the money. You
would have done it for the money, also for the
cast that you get. So like um Ran Tristan Ryan
did it and he had a wonderful cast, and those
people seemed more aligned with them the people that we
went on with it just it wasn't the same with us.
(38:39):
It just wasn't really relate to so it was it
was definitely more of a challenge for us. Is it
as much of a challenge as parenthood. No, No, there's
love and its like you can see the fruits of
your labor, like truly, you're you see this child since
(39:00):
trying to speak and was giving you a kiss and
waking up with I love you, momy, Like all of
this hard stuff is worth it with kids. Yeah, parenthood
is absolutely crazy and a lot of times you just
want to drive your car off the cliff, but at
the end of the day, you kind of love the kids,
so it's it's all worth it. Sean, you did a
post on Instagram recently and it made me laugh because
(39:21):
it's something that Jared and I talk about all the time.
You said that you love you know, Ellie the dog
and your daughter equally, because that's how you should treat
your children. You spoke to Ashley what it spokes to
me because we really are confused how we're going to
love something more than our dog, and this happens apparently,
(39:43):
so I have Ellie and then we had a boxing
that we lost a few years ago. My dogs were
my life for so long and everyone said, as soon
as you have kids, your dog's gonna take a back seat. Yeah,
I thought my head, and you know what, and they
were all liars because it's not true. Ellie hasn't gonna
backseat for nobody good. I love that job and I
(40:05):
give her more affection now, just because I felt guilty
that I've brought three other animals. It's, uh, this is
this is the best So in your relationship, then, as parents,
who plays bad cop, who plays a good cup I'm
probably more bad cop. Yeah, I'll dish it out every
once in a while, but she's primarily I'm way stricter
(40:26):
and he It's what's funny is I think it was
like the second day in our engagement. Um, we're in
Thailand and we're with the producers and we're just trying
to be normal and talk about things like I wasn't
able to talk about wedding and marriage and kids until
I knew that he actually felt the same way about me.
Try to act but um, I think it's a second day.
And he said, you know that you're going to be
(40:47):
the disciplinarian, right And I thought one like I still
had that. Actually I still had that really weird like
oh my gosh, this guy is like looking at me
feeling he's telling me he's gonna be I'm gonna area
like id. I was like curved it a little bit,
like okay, But I knew I would be the disciplinarian
because he just kind of wanted to be the fun like, oh,
(41:09):
I want my kids to just like come up and
hug me and be so happy to see me and
all these things that I knew that I would have
to be the strict can and that's kind of how
it's gone for the most part, but he does his
his share. The parenthood has to be weird. I mean,
I can't imagine the life Like the season of life
that you guys have been in the last two years
is something that I don't know if anybody can relate with.
(41:30):
How much of The Bachelor still influences your life today?
A lot? Well, I would say, I would only say
a lot because The Bachelor kind of evolved into this
weird Instagram world we're into, which we're still very active
doing that stuff, and so the people that watched us
on TV eight years ago, we're still kind of following
(41:52):
along with our lives today Instagram. So I'd say a lot. Yeah,
and we love I mean, we love that, and you
guys both know you guys love of but I'm like,
you can see how people really want to support you,
and so we've been blessed with the most amazing, supportive, motivating,
genuinely loving um people that witness us. And we also
(42:14):
have some level of discernment there too. What do we
want to share? What seems like something that would not
be okay to share for all these reasons because we
respect them, and it's been genuine obviously, like everything that
we do, um, has been very authentic to us. And
but some obviously outliers like those shows. Uh, what can
(42:37):
you talk to me about like the first year of
parenthood and how that is a strain on a couple's marriage.
I think it brought us closer or did it bring
you closer? Okay, because I experienced two different things based
on two different couples. Whenever I asked my parents, they're like,
it was the best year of our marriage. Yeah, I
think it brought us closer. When it was just the
(42:57):
two of us in a house, both working from home,
she focused all her energy on me, good or bad,
so Samuel into the picture. I don't know. It was
really cool to witness her as a mom and see
all this love that she that she showed me. She
(43:19):
shows even more so to our children, and I love
to witness that as as her husband and as their father.
But um, yeah, I don't think it was all that hard.
So I think pretty well, and we like to we're
not type A people at all, and I think that
the type of people might have had a harder time
because you bring your experiences into parenthood and you bring
(43:43):
your traditions in the way that you Like I wanted
to do cloth tapers and he was like what is
Like why would you do that? And like why would
you do that? You wouldn't. So anyway, there's there are
lots of things that you can bring in that could
hurt UM if you're degrading others like oh why would
you You're like continually saying, well, I wouldn't do it
(44:05):
like that. But for us, we didn't really have like
a specific way we wanted to do everything and routine
all the stuff. We were really experiencing it together, which
was super exciting, and we were we didn't know what
we were doing, and so it was really exciting for
us to to go through everything and we felt everything
and we were present and we said like this sucks together,
(44:25):
but we were saying this is great together. So I
think it was just a really fun time for us
and it's still continued to be because we are best friends.
We worked really well together um, and we were just
great partners. I think, yeah, that's something else. You're a
great team at great partners at is your nutral system plan?
(44:47):
Can you tell us a little bit about about the
eating plan? That you guys have. Yeah, So I feel
like for the last four years, five years, really, I've
been pregnant and had babies. Like it's just been a
NonStop cycle of I'm I'm now done breastfeeding. Oh, I'm
pregnant again. Like it's just a constant so like my
body has gone through it. And after like seven months
(45:10):
of having a baby, like Mia, the last baby, it
was just like I'm too comfortable and quarantine and all
these things. I'm like, I need to lose my weight
so that I could feel confident, I could be more
present with my kids and not have the insecurities that
I do. So like Neutra System has this really good plan.
It's a partner plan that Sean Shan's always been a
(45:31):
really good partner to me and with eating, with working out,
with parenting everything. So it felt super natural to have
him be my accountability partner in my Neuture system plan
because he knew that I wasn't feeling comfortable. So I
lost I lost six pounds with literally doing nothing for
the last month of just eating Neutral System and feeling
(45:52):
really good about their meals and because my issue is
forgetting to eat and then gorging and like because I
want to make a meal and I want to make
a big thing about it, but I don't have the time.
So it's super super easy for me to just go
and grab a nutral system like meal or shake or
snack and have my metabolism not go down the crapper.
(46:14):
So it's been it's been a really really good meal
plan for me because of the life stage that I'm
in and having a partner that's wanting to um do
it with me and we just talk about the meals together.
It's really fun because I'm like, oh, what did you like?
I'll order it for you again. And it's something to
where I don't feel alone in it and I'm a
(46:37):
I'm a dude who doesn't like cooking, so it's really
easy to And it's also nice because like as a girl,
like I don't know if if Sean's like this, Katherine,
but I'll be like Jared, what's going for dinner to
be like, I don't care, I'm going with anything. I'm like,
all right, you think there's something specific that you're craving,
(46:57):
whatever you want, it's like, okay, so just just to
get in the microwave you you deal. Yeah, Neutral systems great.
I gained like twenty pounds during the first few months
of COVID and finally I just reached a point It's like, okay,
I better, I better buckle down here. So I gotta
sweet tooth too. They've got a ton of desserts that
are great, low calories. It's just an easy way to
to you know, eat healthy well. You guys are obviously
(47:19):
great accountability partners to each other in and life and
parenthood when it comes to dieting and exercise. Uh. To
close out this this whole thing, Ashley always has a
really fun game that she plays with our guests. But
before we do, I like to do two things with you.
One is ask you one final question and then give
you the stage for a second. Um. But my last
(47:40):
final question for you, is there anybody out there listening
who doesn't get the following on Instagram? Can you just
take a few minutes here and explain your kids to
the listeners one by one? Oh man, Yeah, we're doing
this together. Is that as a joint venture? I'd say
a joint venture. I know you guys are busy. I
you don't have a lot of time left, so I
(48:01):
want to make sure that we get this in okay.
So Samuel is extremely intelligent. He's very sensitive. He is
beyond obsessed with animals from day one. He's only cared
about animals. And not like in a in like a
fun like silly way. It's like a very focused um.
(48:22):
He reads an encyclopedia of animals every single time. That's
his that's what he wants to do. Like we're like, okay,
it's quiet time. He sits in his room and lines
up his animals and says, this is like the sea.
And so then he reads and he's like, this animal
does this, he eats this, he does he's not the
same as this. So he is very intentional on his animals.
(48:44):
And it's been a really really cool thing because he
challenges us on that, like he knows that sometimes we
get it wrong. Obsessed with Samuel, super sensitive, so loving,
so friendly, he's never met a stranger. He crawls in
bed with us every morning around for him. Yeah, you
don't even realize he's in it until you roll over
(49:06):
and you roll into him. But he's just the sweetest kid.
He always says, Daddy, you're the best daddy. I love you, daddy,
Like just a very very sweet uh mild mannered kid,
which is awesome. Yeah, he's very sweet. Isaiah is more
of a brute. He doesn't speak so much, but he's
really really trying. I would say that sometimes I and
(49:29):
sometimes I post this on Instagram where Samuel has this
wealth of knowledge about things and he loves to share
it with us. And so there's Samuel saying, like you
a placephalist. There's a type of giant store cephalist. And
then isaiahs around here like this like he's like so
proud something ridiculous and not not impressive whatsoever, but he's
(49:51):
so proud of himself. Uh. He's so sweet. He's so
happy all the time. Yeah, you wake wake him up
from a nap. A lot of kids will go crazy
when you wake him up. Always happy, always smiling, always
kissing her. He's very pink and very gentle with her,
although he'll like run into something and hit his head
and laugh about it like that's amazing. It's very like
(50:14):
um a very dichotomous relationship with himself, like just I'm
gonna go run into something in the wall, laugh about it,
and then go really sweetly and kindly terminable history kiss her. Um.
He wants to do everything his big brother does. Um.
And his favorite food is sup, which makes no sense
whose favorite he wanted? And then Mia. Mia is such
(50:39):
a wonderful baby. She is so happy. She's around chaos,
consoling because her two older brothers are acting like two
taller boys. Um. She is she. I think she's going
to be very decisive. She's very particular. She'll tell you
what she likes and what she doesn't like, which is
very different from the boys at that age. Loves her daddy.
(51:02):
She's definitely gonna say daddy first. Um. And yeah, she's
she's up for anything. She has gone a long time
without having naps and having the right schedule because her
brothers and all the things that we do interrupt her.
But she's always happy and we cannot wait to see
what type of person she grows. And she'll be tough, um,
(51:24):
but she will be loved. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Well, hey,
thank you for sharing all of this. Ashley has thirty
seconds of rapid fire. I have one final close out
for you guys. We have one minute left. Ashley, take
it away. Okay, you talk about how I scream determines
a person's personality. What is your favorite ice creams and
(51:47):
what does that mean about you? It means he's kind
of just like a guy's guy. In my research, I
see this, yes, Um, and mine is I love the
an ice cream like. It sounds lame, but I really
don't like ice cream unless it's vegan. Um, you're from Seattle, yeah,
(52:08):
or it means you don't want to have some digestive
issues afterwards. As I get older, I can't handle ice
cream anymore. He's ridiculous. Okay, next question, Um, going off
of that, has there ever been a tweet or something
that Sean has put out about your family where he's
(52:31):
very sarcastic about it that you actually were like that
cross the line. I think there was one that I
was like, you need to take that down. I can't
remember what it was, but he usually if it's like
skirting a line, he'll check with me first it's okay,
and I'll usually say, yeah, that's dumb, but whatever. Um.
But he gets so much like praise for his tweets
(52:55):
in his Instagram. I kind of like to deflate his
a while. Now, why have you been off Twitter? Because
it's toxic and it's absolutely depressing getting on there and
just reading people yelling at each other. I was over it.
I would like to get back on just to tell
my little dad joke. But maybe I need to be
one of those weird people that don't follow anyone just
(53:17):
because I don't want to read the BS. Yeah, write
my little jokes. I was looking through Twitter, your Twitter
last night to you know, do this interview. I was like,
I have been without Shawn tweets, Shawn load tweets since June,
and I hadn't real psent time that bad. You didn't
even notice, so you're okay. Last question is what is
(53:39):
your favorite piece of furniture from your wayfair line. Oh gosh,
there's so many. Well, the o G is our pit,
the Chelsea, but I like the Vada that's mine. I
like the Data. Yeah, I would have to say the
Chelsea sectional, which we've deemed the pit. It's just it's huge,
just like eight ft by eight feet, and it was
(54:00):
out of the piece that launched our business, and uh,
you know, four years later, we're so proud of what
we've built. So it's kind of cool to look back.
It started with that one piece and now we've we've
got an entire collection. But if you like to nap.
The looks is like the absolute Yeah, they're all big, oversized,
super comfy. Check them out. They're really nice. I was
(54:20):
looking at the collection last night. Well, hey, Katherine and Sean,
we know you're busy. We know you gotta go. Um
final thing to close out a five second message to
anybody listening of encouragement that you guys want to pass
on to any listeners. Yeah, oh man, I'm starting. I
always say, oh gosh, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna start preaching.
(54:41):
James four fourteen says life is but a vapor. This
crazy world we live in will be gone in a
blink of an eye. Your life is not that long
in terms of eternity, so let's start looking at things
from an eternal perspective. Love your neighbor, that's that's going.
I feel like just I think people don't know how
love they are and how capable they are of doing things.
(55:03):
So if you're scared about doing something or you feel alone,
just know that you're loved and you're capable. Guys are great. Hey,
follow along with Ashley and I. This has been Seawan
and Katherine on the In Depth podcast. We appreciate him
a lot. We celebrate them as a family. Follow along
with my league guys. Okay, you'll get it. It's easy
with that. I've been been, I've been Ashley first. Catherine, Yeah,
(55:25):
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