Bachelor OGs

Ben reveals the question everyone’s been asking him since Matt James was announced as the next Bachelor… and we have the answer for you! 

This week, we re-watched the first seasons of the Bachelor and Bachelorette!

We go back in time with Bob Guiney discovering secrets no one knew. we ask him about the rumored “Bachelor Bible” that’s passed between leads.

And fan favorite from Trista’s season, Jamie Blyth, tells us what it was like to be a contestant on the very first Bachelorette season!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost
Famous podcast. Hello Ben back, We're back and we got
another Goat episode to talk about. This was the first
episode um of Goat that I didn't I never watched

(00:21):
these these seasons. You know, it was way back in
the day. I think I was a freshman in high school.
It was Alex, Michelle and Trista Ren's before she was Sutter,
and it was fun. It was fun to see how
much the show has evolved since. Yeah, it's still the thing.
I mean, I feel like trist Is especially is the
the kind of like the foundation that it feels like

(00:43):
every season has been built off of. Like it just
feels like the one you look back on. You go,
that season will always be remembered. When somebody comes out
to me, they go, oh, I've watched this since Trista
this season, right, That's that's what they say. Alex doesn't
get brought up very much anymore. There's reasons for that.
We'll talk about it with Bob Guinea later in the podcast.
But like Alex hasn't shown up and Trista still has

(01:03):
continued to be like a building block and in a
rock for the franchise for the last you know how
many years, seventeen eighteen years. She's just one of those staples.
Like when people think of the franchise, I think of Trista,
I mean, and they should after so many years of marriage. Definitely,
it was a great thing to watch. We'll talk about
it throughout the whole podcast, but let's start Ashley once

(01:27):
again with hot topics in Bachelor Nation. This is one
of our favorite segments and listeners. You've written us in
and said it's one of years as well, and there's
definitely hot topics talk about today, including this one, which
might be maybe the one we need to dive into
the most. A lot of opinions here that we've gotten
about the Cassie and Colton break up. This headline reads,

(01:47):
Cassie Randolph says she's had an awful few months following
breakup with Colton Underwood. What I didn't realize until seeing
this article, Cassie was off Instagram for a whole thirty days.
How did I not realize that? Yeah, I didn't know
it either. Now one is I don't media, well, yeah,

(02:09):
but like you would notice it right like that would
feel like something because I love Cassie's. Cassie's like one
of the people that I actually like, really watched her
stories and I like, like every single picture. She was
gone for thirty days because dealing with social media and
the trolls, because so many people are coming at her
as being like the cause of the breakup with Colton

(02:31):
and nobody really understanding what went down that she was
just like, nope, I'm gonna get out of this for
a while. So I mean, let's let's dive into this.
We're gonna make some assumptions, which is never healthy or good.
But does it feel I mean, it feels like Cassie
has definitely taken this pretty hard, and it said she

(02:51):
says it in the interview, like this has been really
tough on her so much that she's had to delete
social media. Now Colton on in their hand, Um, who
was the one that got broken up with? At least
that's what we think, right, I mean, why why is
it that that we assume that we all do? I
think it's been the rumor. Now I know how this
goes down, But is it because of the past because
we saw them on The Bachelor and how he needed

(03:14):
to chase her, and she wasn't like, there are we
just assuming that she ended up never being a PC there, Well,
that's the first assumption we should probably like shut down
amongst everybody's I don't think we know. And I know
that even having a breakup publicly, people start assuming things like, oh,
why did you have to end it? You know, oh,
you definitely ended it, And neither one of them. I

(03:35):
think they both have respect for each other enough to
like not want to come out and be like, oh,
this is how actually went down. It's not our business.
We don't need to know. But what is intriguing is
that Cassie felt like she had to delete social media
because it was so hard. Yeah, and Cassie did go
and talk to Chris Harrison on last night's episode, and
she was super vague. She was like, I don't want

(03:56):
to talk about this, and it was like, cast you
cute little thing. The only reason they have they're having
you on right now is to talk about what possibly
happened between you and Colton. But she was so respectful
of him and their privacy. I loved it. I thought
it was super tasteful. Um, she didn't budge, she didn't

(04:17):
care that Harrison like kept kind of prying. She's like,
what happened between us is going to stay between us,
but it hasn't been easy for either of us. She
said that they're both in you know that they're in
close contact. They're still very friendly. Um, but no reasoning
as to why they broke up. She does say in
her Instagram caption when she returned to the platform a

(04:39):
couple of days ago, that she just didn't want to
deal with constant drama, fake articles, nasty d m s
and comments and rumors started by people who feel entitled
to her personal life. She says it takes incredible strength
to shrug off strangers who regularly criticize your character based
on conclusions that they drew while watching an edited TV show.

(05:02):
I could say so much here, but it just feels
like an uphill battle. This is tough. Breakups are really
hard in this franchise, especially when they're public. Um, you know,
I don't think Colton has deleted social media. No, he's
been pretty active. So the breakup, yes, has been hard.

(05:23):
And then you know, I'm sure doesn't help. It never
helps when then rumors start swirling, you know, like there's
already been Colton and maddest Maddie rumors because of their
like comments back and forth on social media that happened.
I mean it felt like right afterwards. I don't I
don't know the exact timeline. I imagine for Cassie it

(05:44):
is like hurtful. I imagine, not not that Colton or
Maddie or do anything wrong, but I do imagine that
seeing that brings about a pain that you don't want
to feel and set yourself up for the bottom line
here is that the two of them are dealing with
having a breakup, but a breakup that is in public

(06:04):
and neither of them have have to have had to
do that before. And be gentle on them and don't assume.
I know that we started out this with an assumption
and then we said, but we don't know, so don't
assume and like blame people for a story you don't
have any part of. Well, our assumption is this. Our
assumption is that we don't know the truth, you know.

(06:25):
That's our assumption is that we we just don't know.
Be gentle to them both. And it sounds like Cassie me,
especially after watch that interview, like you know, being sensitive
to the situation. Is a necessary thing for all a
Bachelor Nation, this is not easy. Well, speaking of exes
and breakups during Bachelor Nation, Caitlin Bristow says that she

(06:46):
believes ex Sean Booth is holding on to anger, reveals
he ignored her text about late dog. Yeah, so I
was wonder I didn't ask Klin, but I was wondering
whether she was going to reach out to Sean when
his dog died. Tucker a couple, I guess a month
or so ago, and she said she did on Becca

(07:08):
and Tanya's podcast, but that he didn't respond. So she
so from that, she says, I play this scenario in
my head more than I should, because first of all,
I think, and again I'm not trying to speak for him,
and I don't know, but I truly think that he
just will never understand me or respect certain decisions. And
I think that he's just going to hold on to

(07:29):
some anger with me. That's how I feel. So I
would be nervous because I would probably play nice. This
is if they were to run into each other, if
they were to run into each other in real life
around Nashville, which is actually shocking that it hasn't happened.
Yet because I feel like Nashville is that kind of
community where you just like keep running into people, especially
of like their celebrity status. Um, she goes, So that's

(07:52):
just how I feel. I would be nervous because I
would probably play nice even though he hurt me so
terribly and things that I've never even talked about publicly.
I hold on to anger too, and I know that
if I saw him, I wouldn't be able to be
like whatever, Um, that's just not me, the this whole
thing again. I mean, I don't want to keep bringing

(08:14):
back my experience. I would be so and Ashley tell
me if I'm crazy, Listeners tell me if I'm crazy.
But when I have an X, especially when that's a
long term X, a meaningful X, living in like, I
have this little fear that I'm going to run into
him again, and it's like something I like dread, Like
I would never want to live in a town the

(08:35):
size of Nashville, which isn't massive, with somebody who I
dated for so long, knowing that any given time I
could run into them, Like I'm sure Caitlin is a
bigger person than me, but like that for me just
sounds really scared well, I mean, she's saying it's scary,
and I hope it doesn't happen because I won't be
able to fake it. I won't be able to fake nice. Okay, good, Yeah, yeah,

(09:00):
because I just like that is like one of my
I have these weird moments, and especially you know, I've
I've talked about in the podcast before where I was
in New York right after the breakup and Laurens across
the street. Uh, your heart sinks, so she feels like
Sean's holding on the anger. Uh you know, I know
this is again one of those situations we don't know

(09:20):
a lot about. It's a breakup. We don't want to
dive into the drama of how it existed and what
happened there, but it is something that she's publicly announced now. Um. Yeah.
And I also want to read what she said about
Tucker's passing and how she dealt with that. Was Sean,
she said, Obviously I was devastated for him because that
was just like his absolute best friend. And I thought

(09:41):
for sure he would have reached out to me to
say either hey, we're going to put him down, or hey,
I didn't want you to have to find out through
Instagram or something like that. But I can't hold that
against him, she said. Everybody grieves so differently. And I
don't think I would want to talk to anybody in
the War Old if I lost one of my dogs,

(10:01):
because it would just be like, it would just be
so not I would just be so not okay. But
I did reach out to him and I said something like,
I'm so sorry if you need to talk, Um, I'm devastated.
I can't imagine how you feel. And he didn't respond. Yeah,
I mean, come on, you know, I don't know how
to I don't know how to handle breakups. Everybody does

(10:22):
it differently. But that doesn't sound like the two of
them have seen each other. And that's a good takeaway
from this is they have not yet ran into each
other in Nashville, and I pray they don't. Yeah, we
don't want to form either. Uh well, hey, final headline
of UM this week, it feels like, come in, come on.
Tyler Cameron invited model Melissa and Zoltko to stay with

(10:46):
him after flirting on How do I know this? How
do we know that he invited her to stay with him?
Or do we just yes? Or do we just know
that the two of them have stayed together. Okay, so
we all know that Tyler is playing the field right now.
He is definitely I wouldn't imagine that he settles down

(11:09):
with one person right now. I think I'm going to
assume here he's having too much fun. But according to
Cosmo and E news Um, Julissa Julissa took the trip
um from very four away in Miami to visit him
and Jupiter. It's like it's two hours away, um and

(11:31):
they connected through social media. They you know, they're they've
been hanging out for a few days. Apparently things are casual,
definitely into each other. But the bottom line is he's
She's been hanging at the house with Matt James and
doing normal Florida things like going out in the boat.

(11:53):
They've been going out to eat, hanging out each other's houses.
They have a good chemistry, according to this source, on
a strong flirtation. But like I have assumed, Tyler doesn't
want anything serious right now. I read yesterday somewhere that
it looks like the two of them have gone to
the Bahamas. Um. So that's sound that's sounding serious. That's

(12:17):
pretty big sept Well, speaking of Matt, James. Uh my
final opinion piece of the hot topics. Actually two things here,
one like topic. Yeah. I have never received more text
or phone calls from friends of mine being asked to
be signed up for The Bachelor this season than I

(12:37):
have this next upcoming season. Matt James is a hot
topic in himself, and I do know from a few
people that know him personally really well, went to college
with them and have known him after. It sounds like
Matt is the total package. It sounds like he is
a great guy, super athletics, super nice, very very kind

(13:00):
to those around him. Uh and uh and so hey,
he is a hot commodity. It sounds like he should
be a hot commodity. And it also feels I mean,
if I were to guess, the Bachelor is not going
to have a hard time casting for his season. So
when it's a good casting season, it's typically a really
good season. Yes. And I want to also say that

(13:23):
I've had friends who have reached out to me and
been like I've never I've always like debated the idea
of signing up for the show, But now that Matt
is announced, like, this is the time for me, This
is the time for Matt James and hey it should
be well, hey, that's all we have for Bachelor hot topics.
We'll take one more break. When we come back, We're
gonna speak with Bob guinea Yes, Bob Guiney, who is

(13:46):
a friend to the Almost Famous podcast, who is a
contestant from Trista wren now Setters season, and then finish
up with a mystery guests who you may have never
heard of, but you should have. Uh, we'll be back
Balmost Podcast all right, before we get one of Trista's

(14:12):
contestants on. If you guys watched last night Her Her
Greatest Her Goat episode, you guys are probably thinking a
lot of the same things that I was thinking, starting
with oh my god, those suits, Ben, can you believe
that fashion? And it wasn't like one guy, all the men,

(14:33):
including Chris Harrison and the and Alex the lead, we're
wearing the most awful baggy suits. And I had no
idea that was the trend early in the two thousand's baggy,
unfitted suits. I had no clue either, But it is
like how unflattering there? You know, I'm not a fashion guy,
Like I'm not. I tried to like watch and be

(14:55):
the best I can, but like I don't typically see it,
but I was watching it and it's hard to kind
of watch, like it's so unflattering. It's like it's like
almost looks goofy. It's so goofy, it looks like a
cartoon character. They're swimming in them. When did that start
to go away? I mean, even Chris Harrison walks out
with a suit that's like going past his hands. He

(15:17):
can barely like walk because his pant legs are so bagging.
Why even work out if you're gonna like have to
swim in a suit and like not show any of
your definition. Think about like that suit that Alex wore,
and then fast forward like fifteen years to see the
suit that Nick would wear. Oh it's yeah, Nick Nick
suit stretching material to be so like tight. But don't

(15:41):
you think that Nick really wears a suit? He does, Yeah,
I mean he's like the perfect build for it. The
guys like, yeah, he looks I mean he has a
third teen pack, so yeah, he looks good in a suit. Um,
but yeah, you're right. I Mean that's the thing is
we were watching. That was one of the biggest takeaways,
and I think it was as we you know, are
seeing Twitter blow up. Is these baggy suits are I mean,

(16:05):
I think they're humorous, Like they're hilarious. The girls. The
girls dresses weren't that much better, but you know that
is about evolving fashion. The suits. You would think that
a suit would be classic, but those just wrerant. Okay.
My second thought was why doesn't Chris Harrison like the

(16:26):
first thing I want him to ask these people or
is like did you find love? Do you have a family?
Sometimes he doesn't even ask these people, um where they're
at in the romance department? Well, and it's you know,
it's funny because this is a show built on us
celebrating romance. It's it's following these contestants no matter if
it works out or not, and hopefully celebrating them as

(16:47):
a Batchel Nation fan myself into their future as we
see their whole love story play out. And that's why
we watched the show. I think the drama but also
the love. We've always said that here and it isn't
a question that he asked. I want to know it,
like I want to know where these people are doing
these days. Of course he does ask you know, the
big people, but he had two of the girls on

(17:08):
from Alex's season and They're sitting there on a split
screen and I have no idea whether they found love
or in the past twenty years. It made me sad.
The uh, you know what, these follow ups, these follow
up shows have been awesome for so many reasons. And
and I don't like if I was sitting down at
a over a cocktail with these past guests, like these

(17:30):
are the questions I would ask, where are you at now?
And maybe this is just a thing. I'm like, what
are you doing? And how did this show change your life?
Because I'm sure it changed all of theirs in some
way or another. Yeah. Another thing I kind of laughed
at was when Alex was kind of telling Amanda that
she was the one. He was like, so, here's the deal. Like,

(17:51):
I like you, I've I've enjoyed spending time with you,
and I can't wait to spend more time with you.
But the thing is this, we don't really know each
other that well. And here's a ring that I have
picked out for one day if I decided to repose
to you. Now, let's go, uh, let's let's go live
closer together. It was so funny so realistic. And then

(18:13):
when he broke When he broke up with Trista, it
was the nicest breakup I've ever heard. But it was
also so simple. Today we drag out the breakup, right,
it's like, you're wonderful when you were this and and
then there's that big turning point. But but with him,
he was like, hey, Trista, it was great getting to
know you, but you know what, it's not you. And
she was like okay, and then like she smiled. They

(18:36):
smile on the way out. Same with um Charlie and
Trista at the end of her season, the breakups were
so lovely friendly. Smiley understand like everybody understood that it
was best for the person to end up with the
other one. It was. It was kind of hilarious. I

(18:56):
was like, wait, did they actually like each other? Well?
And that's a takeaway that I think we're seeing now
is it's an evolution of the show. I would say,
like breakups now are hard on the show. They're not
easy that I don't know if they should be easy.
I think most of the breakups that in some way
or another from week one on all had their own

(19:18):
different amount of like hurt and pain to them. At
least they were difficult to do. I do think it's
because the show has probably learned how to cultivate more
romantic and deeper relationships quicker than it did back then.
That's it, because it didn't matter like it does hurt.
You know, when you say goodbody to your final two.
As viewers, I would to know that you had a

(19:40):
real relationship. As contestants. I think you want to know
that you had a real relationship with a bachelor and
or the Bachelorette, and I think vice versa. You do
have a real relationship, and so it hurts to do
it feels like a weird, real breakup. Yeah, I disagree.
All right, well I got more questions, but let's talk
to somebody who was actually there for it all. Alright, guys,

(20:12):
we have Bob Guinea on the line, and I thought
it was unfortunate we didn't get to see much of
him in this greatest you know, this goat episode of
the Bachelorette. All we saw was your intro, Bob, What
the heck? Oh man? You know, who knows? There's so
much to get to with Tristan. You know there's a
lot going on there. I mean she's she is the

(20:32):
the o G as far as having you know, been
on the first show and then being recast on another episode,
which that she was the first one to do that.
I think I was the first reject of the men's
side that got recast. You're the first reused you. You
were one of the most recognizable faces from Bachelor Nation ever. Like,

(20:56):
I'm shocked that they didn't show you. Yeah, you know,
I will tell you. They did call ahead of time.
We were going to originally do a full interview and stuff,
and then they about two days before hand, said, you
know what, we just it's not gonna work out. We're
doing so many different segments of trist this season, and um,
you know, the wedding and the and the big show
and everything, but it's really about Trista, you know. So

(21:18):
I was I was glad they showed me at all.
That makes me happy. You would think it's two actually,
just real quick, there's two Travesty so far and the
Bachelor Goat. I think it's been a great thing. You know,
the ratings have been up and down, but I think
it's what you'd expect. Bachelor fanatics are watching Becca Tilly's
lack of appearance and Bob Guinea's lack of appearance are

(21:40):
two things I'm not okay with. Oh, it was so
weird to see how little they showed have Becca during
your season, especially since that was her. Did they not
show her very much at all? Huh? I've been, I've been.
I've been doing the what do you call it? The
DVR version of of the shows, so I'm usually catching
it the next night. So but it's been actually really fun.

(22:01):
And I ben I did watch yours as it unfolded,
and of course you know much love I have for you,
I think, But uh, I thought you did and I
and I had noticed that you said you weren't gonna
watch it? Was that? Was that true? To do you
not watch yours? I had said I wasn't gonna watch it?
I folded, man, it was. I shared this story with
Ashley and it was in my inbox they sent me

(22:22):
to They send us to screeners a few years in advance,
and it sat there and I was just staring at me,
and I was staring at me, and so what I did,
because there's parts of that season that aren't healthy, I
don't think for me to watch like it's just not
like Okay, I'm engaged, I'm moving on. And you know,
the Bachelor word has been great to me. And so
I watched the first half and then I stopped, uh,
and I didn't see the ending. And then I watched

(22:44):
Jessica's and eyes uh interview because I wanted to see
how she came off. Of course, So that was it.
Uh And honestly, it was really enjoyable for me to watch. Yeah,
I can see. That's a nice trip down memory lane
without getting too in the weeds on it, you know, so,
and and I will tell you I didn't know you
know when when they originally talked to me about doing

(23:05):
an interview with Trista's show, I was very excited because
I kind of felt like that meant they weren't going
to show mine, which made me very happy. Season Yeah,
because I will tell you that I would much rather
have them show me show Trista this season for me,
because I couldn't even stand the idea of having to
watch my season with my wife and my son running
or not before you take it over here? Uh, do

(23:29):
we know yet? Have they announced all the Bachelor Goat seasons? Can?
Or is that a surprise to us? Still? I think
it's still a surprise for most people I've known a couple,
But I don't know. I mean, if you look at
if you look at when it's preparing to show the
next episode, you can see the next one after that.
So yeah, I'm not sure who the next one is,

(23:50):
though you guys probably know. I don't. But my you know,
my season wasn't really dramatic. There weren't really any There
was no scandal, there was no like crazy dry of moments,
and you know, I think it got it got a
lot more dice sy in later years as far as
limit drama comes out of play and things of that nature.

(24:11):
Ours ours was Trista's was obviously the goat of all
the goats, because I think it was just the first
you know, she was a pioneering woman. So but it
makes me laugh, I think. But I know you have
one more thing you want to talk to him about
about his season. Yeah, you know, Bob, I'm watching this.

(24:32):
I remember even meeting you, and I've said it so
many times on the podcast, and I'm just a broken record,
like you are one of the Bachelor's from my past,
and I have two things I want to talk to
about because one is the top headline for us, another
juicy topic of the week, and the second is this
your advice to me? So you know I love you,
you know I respect you. Um, but you're also known

(24:53):
as somebody that was like one of the first bachelor's
and to really push the limits, right, Like, there wasn't
a lot of controversy around your season, but there was
some like drama, there was some some names that you
kind of got defined by my my intrigue have Has
Has it changed now? Like as you watched the show,
is it more or less of the dramatic things that

(25:15):
happened during your season? Is there more physical you know,
into intimacy now? Has it Envelope been pushing in further? Well,
you know, I mean obviously none of us really know
what goes on behind closed doors, so I don't know
fully answers to those questions, but you know, I definitely
think the show has taken off in a different direction.
I mean it's a lot I think there's a lot
more um, a lot more drama now in the sense

(25:39):
that people have watched it for a long time and
they have reacted to what I what I would do
if I were in that situation and so they actually
acted out once they're on the show, you know what
I mean, the things pop up up and they basically
have already lived this in their lives. You know. When
we were doing it, no one hadn't really seen it yet,
So it's kind of like a first you know, you
didn't really know how to react and certain circumstances, whereas

(26:01):
now I think people go on and they definitely have
an idea of how they want to be perceived and
and so they maybe that affects how they behave I
don't know. It's interesting. Well, the final thing is one
of the hot topics of the week, and I'll just
read the headline. This, according to uh US magazine, says
Becka Koufern and Rachel Lindsay reveal there's a Bachelor Bible

(26:23):
passed down from previous leads. Bob, you were a bachelor,
I was a bachelor. I don't know anything about this bible,
and I feel like I got skipped. The headline is
juicier than it really is. It um, So there was
a bible that Rachel, Caitlin and Jojo made for Becca.

(26:47):
So it's just the three of them wrote in it
as like a guidance for her, and now they're giving
it over to Claire. But I think that Becca is
going to put a little bit more of her insight
in there. Okay, Oh so it sounds like it was
like National Treasure, like the the secret you know, the
secret presidential book that gets hidden passed each other. That

(27:12):
would have been an amazing thing for them to start
like season one. Yes, oh my god, I gotta be
honest what you were just telling me about it. I
was jealous that I didn't get the right stuff in there,
but now that I know that it didn't. Actually being
of the first Bachelor, I did think that this episode

(27:34):
was a little bit too dominated by Alex's season and
notres this season, considering Tristan and Ryan have been married
for like fifteen years. Like, let's let's get more from
the success story unless from you know, the guy that
literally won't come on the show. But this is the
big this is my big question. Or should we be
concerned about Alex, Like is he alive? Has he been kidnapped?

(27:58):
The man? Nobody's from the man and apparently six years
according to his x Amanda, she said that she kept
in touch with him, you know, on and off throughout
the year, but hasn't heard from him for six years
and and Chris Harrison says they can't find him. Is

(28:20):
it that we can't find him or is it that
we like or he don't refuses, Well, I will tell
you I ran into him on a plane one how
many years ago from I was probably well, it was
definitely more than six years ago. It's probably eight or
nine years ago. And uh, maybe ten years ago. And
uh and it was interesting, I mean, it was really interesting.

(28:43):
It was other way flying back to l A from Cabo,
and I was, I guess he was down there with
a group of friends for a bachelor party or something
like that, and um, he came you know up to
I was. I fly a ton, so I was lucky
enough to get upgraded on this flight. So I was
sitting in in front of the plane and I came
up to say hello, and it was like I'd never

(29:04):
met him before. I mean that I recalled. Maybe I
had previously, but I didn't remember ever, you know, hanging
out with them, were talking about them, and all of
a sudden, we're talking and I thought he was a
super nice guy, and um, but it was, you know,
it was it was definitely a different type of experience
than I expected. Uh. Never thought I'd run into him,
you know. Ever, and then on a plane running into him,
which I thought was really interesting, but he seemed like

(29:25):
a super nice guy. And then yeah, they you know,
we had talked about trying to um when when they
were talking to me about doing some stuff with Trisan
season with the Goat episode, UM, they had asked if
I had any contact with them, and I helped. I
kind of helped connect the dots with Charlie, which was
Tris as runner up, which seems so sweet. That was

(29:45):
my first time getting to know Charlie and I was like, wow,
I love the way he handled that breakup. He had
a great personality. He would have been a great bachelor.
But you were the Were you the bachelor that became
right after it? Or is there somebody us? Yeah, okay,
well I came right after it, but I came right
off of her season. But Andrew Firestone was in between

(30:08):
the way I aired. That's how I so Eric Aaron
Bergie season, then trist this season, then Andrew's season, then
my season was it because Andrew's season was already in
production during t Yeah, I think it must have been
That's how I remember it. Anyway. Maybe I'm wrong, but
it kind of I remember it kind of working out
that way. But yeah, Charlie is a great guy. We

(30:30):
remained really good buddies over the years, and um, you know,
but it was interesting because, honestly we I said it
on the show even but if you got three three quarters,
you're technically supposed to be rooting for yourself, You're insane.
I was like, literally, I was like, this guy. She
has to choose this guy. He's amazing. You know, there's

(30:52):
so many things about Ryan that were just fantastic. Did
you ever back up for a second? Did you ever
end up connecting the show with Alex? Like? Did you
guys find him? Now? I didn't have any way. The
information and I had was old old news. I didn't
have any way to gain home. But if he listens
to the almost famous podcast, we would love to have
you for an in depth episode. If you're listening right now,

(31:15):
we respect you. He's gonna choose us over Harrison and
the whole pas, come on join us. Who could blame
him that way? He doesn't he get to stay home.
I mean he's gonna love it, alright, Well, trust me, Alex,
they're going easy onion. They're good people. You talk about
how wonderful Ryan is. Do you have any fun behind

(31:35):
the scenes stories with him? Oh my god? Well, you know,
it was the thing about Ryan Sutter that I absolutely love, uh,
was that he's like the onion that as you peel
an onion, you find out more about you know, you
see more of the onion, right, And Ryan was no
exception to this. I mean, you know, it was kind
of funny. I was when we were on the show

(31:55):
and I had played football in college and stuff, and um,
and that scene to come up kind of a lot,
not from me, but it was like something that would
always get mentioned and like, yeah, well, well Ryan and
I are talking one night and uh he played professional
for the Baltimore Raven and never told anyone. And I

(32:16):
was like, and this is the kind of stuff about
Ryan Sutter that you find out years of knowing him
that you're just like, god, wow, how can someone be
this great? I mean, you know, um, everything from you know,
the there his bachelor batch on Bachelor party together in
this Island and all of his buddies are just it's
all to the earth great guys, you know, And uh,

(32:38):
and Ryan you know now is recommitting himself to going
back to being a firefighter. It's you know, his passion.
He misses it, he loves it. This is you know,
he is the guy that you want him to be.
He is the guy you think he is, you know,
And it's just he's just awesome. So she is as
delightful as she's always come across on TV. She is.
She's just like, this is easy as to talk to. Lady. Yeah, yeah,

(33:02):
you guys, I think someone's trying to crash our podcast.
Hold on Canyon. It's my son. We love we love kids.
This is a kid for podcast. Oh yeah, you love
him on the show. Hold on a sec. Let me
see so, Hi, Bob Kenyon is coming in right now.

(33:24):
Sitting on Bob's lap, Oh with a sideways hat. This
is Grayson and you are adorable. Yeah, you are so cute.
Was my little man. Hi, guys, he's eighteen months. He's
gonna be nineteen months. Oh wait, nineteen months July three.

(33:45):
You're a good look at kid. Yeah, he takes after
his mother. Thank you. Was Grayson settles in here. I
just want to give a quick background here. Bob Guinea
appeared on the season one of the Bachelor. Obviously, as
we said with Trista uh sud now uh he was
then the Bachelor. A few years later. Uh he did
give his uh number one promise ring, but uh that

(34:11):
didn't last. Now he is happily married. He got married
in November of two thousand and sixteen to Jessica Canyon.
The couple welcomed a baby boy in December of two
thousand eighteen. And this is Grayson sitting here with us
right now live and almost in his podcast. He's he's
talking talking to you on the phone right now. Then

(34:32):
that's that's terrific. Bob. Uh, you are a face of
the franchise. You stay busy in your life. How much
does The Bachelor still affect your I guess your work
and your daily walk in life. Um, you know it depends.
I mean there are days when you know, I don't

(34:55):
feel like it does at all, But my wife will
disagree with that, you know. I think I think think
it's interesting because the show is definitely very age. I
don't know how to say this, but age centric, I
guess it would say. But like I definitely know when
someone notices me or when someone notices me and says
that their mom is the biggest fan of their grandma,

(35:16):
you know, because you remember, I mean that was seventeen
years ago when I was on the show. So you know,
the fact that the fact that it's been such a
big part of my life for so long, it's pretty remarkable,
you know. I mean, it wasn't until I was you know,
I mean, it was one of those things where from
the standpoint I guess of my second career that came along.

(35:37):
It really was a result of The Bachelor and a
result of Oprah being a fan of the show when
I was on it, and you know, she kind of
gave me an opportunity to work in television for a
long time. And I was lucky. You know, it was
a really lucky break that I would have never guessed
would have happened from that whole thing. So it was
very exciting and fun, but at the same time, it
was it was definitely life changing. You know. I a

(35:57):
lot to the and I and I actually oh everything
to what I have right now to the show because
I was actually working for Sirius XM hosting a show
when I met my wife, and yeah, she was friends
with my co host, and that's how we met in
the first place. I feel like every bachelor who ends
up finding their wife, for bachelord who ends up finding
their husband in real life, there's always some sort of

(36:19):
tie back, like you wouldn't have been in that position
or place if you haven't been on the show, which
is really cool. Um can we kissing on the show?
And UM like engagement because it's just become more and
more of a thing, like we see on Alex and
Tris's season that like some people went really far and

(36:41):
they never kiss them and then the engagement thing like
like your season was like a promise ring or like
Alex decided not to uh put that ring on her finger.
He was like, I have this, but I gotta get
to know you better. Why do you think it evolved

(37:01):
like that? Is it just because it's better TV when
the stakes are higher? You know, I don't know, I think, Um,
I think at the beginning, I mean, I can speak
for myself. I was skeptical. You know, it was like,
you're this TV show wasn't had been around for a
very long time. There weren't any success stories yet. You know.
Oddly enough, Trips and Ryan's which I was on that season,

(37:23):
ended up being a success story that I think people
almost used now as a way to justify in their
minds that it can happen. But at that time, you know,
I mean, if it's amazing to think about a time
before there was this show on television, but it didn't
exist yet, and there weren't any success stories, and so
I think you were more worried about maybe it being

(37:44):
a big mistake or you know, and it was. It
was abbreviated to I mean, you know, don't forget you guys.
When you guys did the show, you all traveled internationally
and did all this kind of stuff. I think my
most exotic date when I was the Bachelor, we did
the final four exotic dates, and one was Snake Snake River, Wyoming,

(38:05):
one was Alaska, one was um Belize. You know, it
was like we weren't going to these you know, tropical
or upside, these distant trips to the Netherlands and Italy
and all this kind of stuff, so we didn't really
have as much time to get to know each other
as you do now. Now. I will say, you know,
I mean I can only speak to myself. I didn't

(38:26):
kiss Trista on her season, and I ended up going.
I went all the way down to the I was
cut right before the hometown dates, Like I really thought,
oh my god, she's coming home to meet my family.
I don't even I've never kissed us. One Alex's season,
there was a girl I think her name was Shannon.
They talked about, they showed her a lot, she was
top three, and I don't think they kissed because she

(38:49):
didn't feel like doing anything physical with him unless she
was the only one standing, right. Yeah, that that started
that movement. Yeah, I mean change it is. I mean
we see it every season. It feels like which is
why you know, it's such a good move and big
move for the Bachelor to have their first black Bachelor

(39:12):
after she's way too long. But it is really um
interesting how much the Bachelor you know, follows culture but
also has like represented it. You know, if if kissing
was a big deal to you seventeen years ago, it
doesn't most of the time feel like a big deal now.
I mean, it's not a storyline that we ever really

(39:33):
hear anymore. Is oh that we haven't even kissed you.
It might be other things, it's not kissing anymore. No.
On my season, the Bachelor actually Kelly, this girl Kelly
Joe Koharski who's now um I can't think of her
married name now, but she um super sweet girl and
she she kissed me on the first night and it
was a big deal. Like it was like everyone was like,

(39:55):
oh my god. You know, even I was like, WHOA
where did that come from? Because I wasn't expecting and uh,
and it was interesting, you know, it was like one
of those things. She ended up being the runner up
on my season, and um, you know, and it was
definitely one of those things. And you know, I mean, yeah,
I you alluded to it earlier in the episode, but
you know, I get it. There's been a lot said

(40:16):
about the different elements of my season, but it was
one of those things where I feel like it was
even though uh, some of that stuff has been bantered about,
it was never something that was ever like fully discussed
as to what goes on in the fantasy suites and
things like that, because it's just never been you know.
Now I feel like it's like, yeah, this happened. I mean,
like watching Caitlin's episode, You're like, oh my god, you know,

(40:38):
I forgot about this. I forgot about that. I mean,
Peter season literally had a windmill as his like intro,
like based off of the hand you know, Hannah Brown
Peter uh storyline during her season like it is now
right out in front of you all the time. Yeah, yeah,
it is definitely. It's definitely got to be a lot

(40:59):
more applicated to watch that show with your family, I
would think at this point, and it was then, Well, Bob,
obviously we just said it, we said every time you're on.
We appreciate you, we love you, I respect the hell
of you. You've just been awesome to me, and uh,
you're a great guy, buddy. I'm so proud of you. Man.
Excited for her married Ashley. My gosh, I'm so excited
for you guys, you lot. You're very welcome. Thanks. It

(41:23):
is uh thirty seven days our first first anniversary the world.
The only thing I'm said about from this whole interview
is that there wasn't a Bachelor Bible that I could
have read to see what Bob would have told future
bachelor's after his time on the show. Well, hey, Bob,

(41:43):
we enjoy you. Well, we wish we had to see
more of you during this episode, but thanks for coming
on almost in this podcast as always, You're the best.
Thank you, buddy, I love you, guys. Take care. That
was Bob getting everybody. Bob getting is just the best.
He's He's just continued to be himsel elf, I mean
every I think that's one of the things we were
talking about and alluding to, is he's always been himself

(42:03):
on every season and now he's doing it. You know.
Still he's on the Today Show often. I got to
be a part of that a few times with him. Uh,
he's on the Today Show and they love him there.
He obviously had a relationship with Oprah and then was
not like a romantic relai, but he had a friendship
with Oprah and then was a host on Serious you
know XM for a while. Uh, and we just always

(42:24):
appreciate him coming on. He was like a bachelor celebrity.
I think it was Trista was the celebrity for the
girls in the two thousand's, and he was the celebrity
for the guys. I still remember Bob guinny uh during
his time as the Bachelor. Well, hey, Ash, let's take
a break here, and when we come back, we're gonna

(42:45):
interview another person from Trista season. Uh. We'll keep it
a surprise for now, but uh, stay tuned. We're back
with almost name his podcast. Well, we we promised you

(43:06):
a mry guest and this guest has definitely um used
this platform that The Bachelor gives everybody for good and
uh and it's maybe somebody you've heard of, maybe somebody
you haven't, but you need to hear from now. It's
Jamie blythe Jamie. Welcome to the podcast. Hey, thanks a lot, guys,
I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. We appreciate

(43:29):
you coming on. So you were on TRIST this season.
You are the professional basketball player. You were, well professional
is uh it's kind of like that semi pro Will
Ferrell movie. I would say it was about as low
level professionals you could possibly am. Well, you're you're playing,
you're playing in Europe, right, and then you decided not

(43:50):
to take that contract. Yeah, I had a nine month
contract in Germany and then yeah, ultimately ended up going
on the Best at which I don't know if that
was a good decision or bad, but we decided the
Bachelorette over basketball in Europe. Yeah, you know, it was
tough because all my buddies were sort of telling me

(44:11):
to go on the show. Obviously it didn't exist. It
was the first one, first one. I've never seen the
show and reality TV at that time. It was almost
twenty years ago, so obviously it was in its infancy.
And I was in a camp in Germany, made a
team and then trained for that, and I told the
Bachelor that I auditioned for the Bachelor. Actually I was
like the final five for the first or second Bachelor. Um,

(44:35):
and then producers calling me. I kept telling me, I
don't think I really want to do it, and then
they called for the Bachelorette, and I think I told
no again. Actually the ultimately did it and it turned
out to be great, but it was it was a
tough called. Just because I trained for obviously played bat
I'm super intrigued here. So going back to when they
were talking about being a Bachelor, and then even on

(44:56):
the Bachelorette, you didn't know what this show even was.
It's like, what, how do were you processing what you're
about to sign up for? So it was funny, I, uh,
how did this work? I met I think it was
Lisa Levinson. I don't know if she was on the show.
When you guys were and she's still there, and she
was one of the she was like an original executive producer.

(45:17):
And I spoke to her for a while and she
was like, you know, he'd be really good for the
show of the Bachelor. They had already done all their auditions,
so they sort of leapfrogged me to the top five,
which they must have been smoking crack just to even
consider me for that, because it was not a good
show for me. But and then, you know, it just
sort of she kind of sold me on it. And

(45:40):
but yeah, it was strange because I didn't know about
the show. I had never seen it. I didn't know
about reality TV. A matter of fact, was the first
guy out of the limo and we're driving and and
you know, it's the first once, so I don't know
what the hell I'm doing, right, and I'm figuring they're
gonna give me some sort of instruction. It's me and
like six dudes in the limo and the producer just
knocks on it and he goes, all right, it's game time.

(46:02):
You're you know, you're ready, Jamie, You're up. And I
didn't even know I was the first cup. I had
no clue. They just told me so I go, what
the hell am I supposed to do? You know? And uh,
he goes, dude, just there's a girl. Just go say
hid or do whatever you would do to talk to
a girl. So I got out of the car and
there's like thirty people. You know, it's a TV set,
there's lights. I really didn't know exactly what Trista looked

(46:23):
like at the time. I had an idea, but there
were a couple of blonds in the crowd. There were
a couple of attractive girls as well, so I was
literally looked like, you know, to use Will Ferrell again,
just staring around like a deer and headlights and they
had to do two takes of it was the first
thing out of the limo, and they did two takes
because that's not that much different today. I mean, actually,
like day, it really operates about the same way. Hey

(46:43):
you're up, go right exactly. And it was pretty cool.
I mean I went and said high and kept it
pretty simple and um, but it was funny when I
was I was sitting in the mansion and for what
twenty minutes, and I'm like, what the hell am I
doing here? You're picturing At least I was that these
guys are gonna be a bunch of tools. That's kind

(47:04):
of what I thought. Um, and then I was in
the mansion just reading my decision. I was like, what
am I doing here? How do I escape? And uh,
at that time, I don't know if there was really
a lot of alcohol. Bob Guineas sort of started that
whole thing story. Oh he was. Yeah, so me and
him were like best buddies on the show, and yeah,

(47:25):
I got a lot of stories about Bob um, but yeah,
it was funny. So this other guy walks in and
he was like a firefighter and was instantly just kind
of douche and was trying. Oh Grady was whatever, and
I was all my fears were right in front of me, like,
oh no, this is gonna be was not Ryan. I'm

(47:47):
assuming different firefight. I love running right right was off.
So it was a different guy. And uh so then
Bob walks in and instantly, you know, he was hammered
and he was having a blast. And then he just
starts screw ruined with this guy. And the guy was
real competitive and Bob and you know, Bob and I
were not competitive at all, and he goes, Bob was,

(48:08):
what do you do, and the guy said, I'm a
martial artist. Bob was I could tell he was BS
and the guy and the guy just didn't know it,
and he goes, I'm also a martial artist. Bob said
it again. So he gets competitive and he goes, what's
your discipline and Bob goes Tibo and the guy goes,
that's not a discipline, and he goes, you tell that
to Billy Blanks. Pitchell convinced the guy who is to

(48:32):
go in the middle of like all the guys, and
he pushed him in and and he goes, show trust
to your karate moves. So the first thing he did
was short karate moves and then he got like launched.
First he was first get kicked off the show, and
he was like you yeah, it was it was three um,
but you're yeah. Bob and I got eliminated the same night.

(48:53):
We started in a nice hotel, as you know, and
then all of a sudden they send you this crampy
hotel when you get kicked off. So Bob and I
went out, you know, you know, weeks were there. You
and Bob a limited week three and then he went
on to become the Bachelor. Yeah, I mean, So there's
a backstory to this that I don't even know if

(49:14):
I can tell. Whenever somebody says something like that, we
need you to tell, you know. Here's so they were
calling my house, they were calling Bob's house to do
the final four Lisa Levinson what she came out crying
with Bob and I got cut and uh, there's a
lot that happened. My god, I haven't thought about it.

(49:34):
It's twenty years ago, so I really haven't thought about
this much. But there's some things I won't share. But
one night, Trista came home from a romantic date with
with Ryan, and we all knew Ryan was super into
it and those two were most likely gonna, you know,
be together. So Bob and I knew we were out right,
we're already done. We're just kind of having fun. And
so we went on the roof for the mansion to

(49:56):
get away because we knew there weren't cameras and microphones
up there. We had figured out there microphones because every
time we said something interesting, and then we just once
they showed up, we started talk talking about like something mundane,
you know, peanut butter or whatever, just something stupid, and
then they go, But so we went on the roof.
We figured out to get getting the roof of the
mansion and we brought like a case of beer up there.

(50:17):
It's like three am, and uh, I think he lit
a fire up there too. We brought like a little
portable grill and hit a chef's head and started a
big greefe fire. She comes home like fire at three
am and she goes and there are no cameras, like
nobody saw this. And this was like week three, right
the day before we both got launched and we're bombed,

(50:39):
you know, and she goes, don't you to think you
should be thinking about me? And we both had beers
and we spit our beer from the top of the
mansion down pretty much after on accident, just because we
thought it was funny. We were so drunk, and you know,
and there's a lot of things that happened, like we
went don't kart racing and I think the that was

(51:00):
like three hours after this, uh you know, rooftop event,
and we're hammeling, we can't even walk a little and
trive a hundred a go kart. So these things were
really faster what race cars trained with. And we're walking
around this track and this guy's telling us about like
apexes and ferns and all this stuff and literally walked
us for like an hour and we can really see strain,

(51:21):
let alone cravate car and right at the end of it,
Bob goes, what's a what's an apex? And then we
you know, we're crashing these things and Trista it was, Yeah,
it was. The whole thing was was she wasn't going
to pick us. There was a lot of reasons, a
lot of stories I could actually tell, but there I'm

(51:41):
not going to share these at these points, but there
there was a lot of reasons she wasn't gonna pick us.
And then he was on you know, I went on
Oprah right after that he was the Bachelor. You made
enough of a splash to talk to Diane Sawyer and
Oprah about your anxiety disorder. Um so, can you talk
about how anxiety he affected you being on the show,

(52:02):
because I know it's such an issue today. UM's it's
just such an anxiety inducing place that it's hard with
people like you who have suffered with panic and social anxiety. Right. Yeah,
I think I think that show is the worst possible
place for somebody that has social anxiety and panic disorder

(52:23):
to be on I had done. You know, I won't
go through the whole story again, but to make it
pretty concise, my first panic attack was when I was
nineteen m I I never had anxiety prior to that. UM.
I guess that normal anxiety. Everybody has anxiety, But I
never had a football and panic attack. UM. But when
I did, I had it talking to a person, right,

(52:44):
and then it just kept happening. So my fear became
being around people. I ended up, you know, being one
of the top guys in the country at the sales
job I had. I went into sales on purpose to
confront it. UM. So it was a long clime. You know.
It took four or five years, you know, six seven
years actually to where I could possibly go and do
somethingthing like the Bachelor. Um. In the back of my head, anyw,

(53:06):
I probably couldn't do it. It was probably too much,
but it was something I want to challenge myself with.
And but yeah, it evokes and brings out every possible
symptom like being the center of attention, uh, you know,
being humiliated, potentially having a place where you really can't escape.
And if I did have a panic attack. They were
going to exploit it. It wasn't I knew that, so

(53:27):
I knew I wouldn't go Bill escape, and if I did,
there was a realistic chance that I could break down
crying because you just sort of lose all sense of control,
I guess, And it was Yeah, honestly, I got really
lucky that I never had a hometown date with her,
which they were going to plan. If not for Bob's
rooftop fire and you know incident at three am, I

(53:51):
probably would have had a hometown date. And I don't
know if I would have made it through that to
monster did so, and Bob kind of saved me because
we became such good friends and and he was great.
He just lightens you know, you guys talked to him,
He kind of lightens everything up, and we kind of
played off each other and he would make me laugh
and make him laugh, and he made a little more comfortable.

(54:11):
But once it got to like when it was just
me and Trista and it was a date, you know,
I'd be nervous on the first day with anyone, let
alone a national television so um, it was a nerve wrapping.
I mean, by the end of it. I was, I was.
I wanted to get the hell out of there. I mean,
I was, I was done. It's interesting, Jamie. I'm I'm
just catching up here. And you know, for for the

(54:33):
anxiety that you had, you did overcome a lot of it,
or you kind of I don't maybe you could explain
it better, but pushed through it. I mean, your book
that you came out with, UH, fear is no longer
my reality. You did talk to Diane s or So,
you did talk to Oprah, and you also um had
Phil Jackson UH read it and give you um his feedback.

(54:56):
That hasn't put on the back of the book. It
says Jamie bliss determination to a become his disability is
a great achievement. That from Phil Jackson, Yes, a nine
time NBA championship coach. Darren, I mean, do you credit
the show for the confidence? It feels like that you
were able to push through with these projects, you know,
that was the Phil Jackson thing. Was interesting because I

(55:17):
became friends with Jennie Buss, who owns the Lakers. Um.
I just saw her just prior to COVID and I
was at a thing in Vegas, and I'll answer your
question too, But I was. I met them an event
because of The Bachelor in Vegas and she came up
to me. I didn't know who she was at the time,
by name or face, I guess, and she's amazing, super
one of the nicest people I've ever met. And she goes, um,

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I'm a fan of yours, and I was, and I
want to introduce my boyfriend. And I was kind of like,
all right, you're a fan of mine, White, why the
hell do I want to meet your boyfriend? And uh,
so I turned around. It's Phil Jackson and obviously like
six ten six eleven. So then they ended up taking
me out for dinner, uh multiple times. I got a
lot of Lakers games with them, stuff like that. And

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he was an interesting guy and apparently he had I
don't think he had given many, if any book endorsements
at that time, so that meant more than anything to me.
But um, going back to your your I guess your point. Yeah,
the show. I had pushed myself to a level where
I could go on the show. I didn't necessarily necessarily
know how it would turn out, whether it's gonna be

(56:20):
good or bad, but I was willing to face it.
Like a year prior, maybe spew years prior. There's no
way in hell I could have gone on that show.
There's just no way. But after that, as you guys know, um,
all the attention you get taught I was constantly talking
to people and I didn't know that was going to happen.
But this was one of the first reality shows really
and um, I really didn't expect it. But and then,

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as you guys know, everywhere where you went, especially for
like that year or two, it was insane. I mean
I couldn't eat dinner, I couldn't go out without talking
to people. And and then obviously all the media going
on those show like Diane saur was my first interview
I ever did. I think it was at seven am,
so you know it was early and not ready to roll.

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I'm sure you guys have done an interviews like that
where you're just kind of waking up and bam, you
gotta go and now it Stanyan Switter So and interestingly
with that, she gave my commencement speech at the University
of Illinois when I was I graduated. But I was
like at a low point, right because I'm twenty one
and my biggest fears now people, So how the hell
am I gonna manage my way through life, through the

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world and I'm scared of people? Um, and that's and
then you know, fast forward to go full circle five
years later and she's given the commencement speech. And that's
why she brought it up off camera. I told her
how much it meant to be speaking with her because
of what I went through. And now I'm sitting here
talking to her in person, uh, and feeling scared, but um, equipped,

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I guess to manage it. And then she obviously ran
it from there and was more interested than the in
the anxiety than the show. She really didn't talk about
the show much. Well, the book that you were I
think on these shows promote was fear is no longer
my reality? Um, what are you doing today as far
as as getting this message out there? Because I know

(58:09):
that you do some public speaking. You're a reporter, so
I do. I'm a reporter and a host for you know,
Extra like Mario Lopez and all that. So when celebrities
come through Chicago, I still do that, and I do
some TV commercials in Chicago here. But um, I'm gonna
have a job like anybody else. Where I run sales
for a big construction company in Chicago. But um, right

(58:32):
before I was working on a documentary. I think I
mentioned that with a couple of guys that are pretty
big producers that were interested. I was gonna essentially interview
anybody any walks, any walk of life, whether somebody in
the military that suffered PTSD. It can be a brain
surgeon that has to operate on a child. Uh, Mike

(58:54):
Typson getting in the ring, what is that feeling before
a championship fight? So it didn't have to necessarily be
somebody that suffers from anxiety. Can be the actually opposite
because I learned more from people that don't have any anxiety.
I mean I knew all about the books and everybody
that could how any doctor could say, hey, this is
what the symptoms are and there's how you overcome it.
But I needed to learn the opposite and a lot

(59:15):
of it was a mindset and there's a lot of
techniques to it too. But um, so that was that documentary.
I am currently working on the COVID kind of put
a hold on it. Well, Jamie to close it up here, Uh,
we really do appreciate you coming on. We have a
lot of people. You know, anxiety is something that we
bring up often on this podcast. As you mentioned, the

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show kind of heightens it and if you already have,
you know, an underlying disorder, it definitely makes it more
polarizing on the show. There's anybody out there listening who
has struggled with anxiety or still does. Do you have
a message that you like to share with people? Um
before we let you go? Yeah? Absolutely? Uh number one

(01:00:00):
because this this gets into especially given the times right
now with COVID, with everything going on. Uh. Mike Tyson
actually said it best when I interviewed him, and that
will be released at some point when I put it
all together. But I asked him if he's ever been
suicidal and he said, yeah, many times, and he's doing
great right now, right but he went through the Ringer
and you know, he was a drug addict, he you

(01:00:22):
name it him and he would tell you about it.
And he's doing he's doing really well. So I said, well,
what would you tell somebody if they're depressed and suicidal
and they don't think they can go on? And he
would say, look, you have to realize that these are
moments in time. They're moments in time, their seasons and
these things they changed. So your current reality, I think
Tony Robbins says this type of thing but doesn't have

(01:00:43):
to equal your future. So where you are right now
might feel absolutely awful, like there is no future. Um,
but you know, everything I had and all the success anything,
if you want to call it success, but is because
of the anxiety, not just you know, it's because of
the anxiety. And it's a you know, it's a mechanism

(01:01:04):
to help make you grow if you choose to. Uh,
I guess to fight it is the right word because
it is a fight, but you can come out the
other side. You can come out actually stronger than you
were before. At a minimum, I think you can manage
it and and have a have a happy life. Thought. Um,
The Bachelor, of course, is all about love and relationships,

(01:01:26):
and that's where we know you the most from. So
you gotta gotta update us in your personal life now.
Um So I'm kind of I'm all settled down. I've
got a got a six year old kid, and um,
I was living living in the city and and now
I just moved to the bourbs, So I'm kind of
living that boring, boring, committed life right now. But it's

(01:01:50):
it's great. I I it's a that's a this is goofy,
it's a I'm technically not married. It's a long there's
a long, complicated story in there, but we're essentially, uh,
we're together, all right. Well, thank you so much for
coming on. Appreciate man. Thank you once again. That was
Jamie Blythe from tristas season of The Bachelor. Some great stories,

(01:02:13):
behind the scenes stories from trist this season, and of
course Bob Guinney was a part of those who we
also had in the podcast today. Um, Jimmy Bli's book
If You're Wondering is once again called Fear is No
Longer My Reality. It is available right now. Well, Ash,
I think those two offered us a good behind the
scenes take on this. Also shared some some things that

(01:02:35):
you know what are still common today in this show,
like the limo entrances and those moments that you try
to sneak out and sneak away to get away from
those cameras. It's just interesting how much times have changed,
especially as you said earlier, with the fashion that is
the box suits. Oh you know what else, I meant
to ask these guys um about the difference in the
house because the Bachelor Mansion wasn't the Bachelor Mansion until

(01:02:59):
I think it was maybe broad season. But like they
use different houses the episodes that we saw last night.
You know, he had a house, she had a house,
and I think the house kept changing. Interesting. Yeah, it's
so much of a part of our past. Well, hey,
that's been another season of another episode of The Bachelor

(01:03:19):
and Bachelor Goat. Of course these two will be up
there with the best of them ever. Uh And this
has been another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. And
if any of you guys know um Alex Michelle, let
us know where the heck he is? Please please, I
mean that would be a somebody cost to know him, right.

(01:03:42):
I doubt he'd ever give us an interview, but that
would be very very cool. I just want to solve
the mystery of where in the world is this man?
Where in the world is Alex Michelle. I grew up
on where in the world is Carmen San Diego, Carbon
San Diego, But no more. It's Alex Michelle Ashley, You're
the best. We'll be back next week with another episode

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