Bad Sides in Paradise with Wells Adams

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I'm ready. This is the Ben and Ashley I almost
famous podcasts with on our radio. Oh Ashley, still gallivanting
around somewhere far far away, you know, having love, share
and love, seeing love making love making love. It looks
like they're having a great time. Um and so one

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of the people that I love the most is now
co hosting this podcast with me this week. Wells Adams, Hey, buddy,
Wells Adams. If you have never heard of him is
an incredibly attractive man, uh, funny, charismatic, empathetic, good listener, uh,
positive to be around, and one of my favorite people
in the world. And I'm not the only one who

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believes that a lot of people love Wells Adams and
we're lucky enough to have them this week. But well,
as I'm gonna ask one thing of you, I want
to give you the freedom to speak openly and honestly
on this podcast about all the weirdos and Bachelor in Paradise.
Be mean, okay, but can you do that? Yeah? But

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I don't know if UM you wanting me to speak
freely Trump's what ABC wants me to say on your show.
All right, well, let's be nice, then I'll just be
Let's be honest, let's be caring, let's be considerate. But
also let's get into it before we get in the
Bachelor Paradis. I want to talk about one thing before
UM we started recording. Wells and I were just talking

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about the idea of reading. UM and a lot of
my friends today, well, they read a lot of books
and they tell me I read this book, in this
book and this book, and I love to read. It's
one of my favorite things. I just quite honestly, and
it's a it's an excuse, but it's true. I don't
have a lot of the time to reading about a
chapter a night before bed. And then I find out

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that my friends, one of them is my best friend, Corey,
who I love dearly, one of the wisest men I know.
His wife listen to podcast He doesn't read. He listens
to audible books. Do we consider that reading. No, but
you're still absorbing the information. So so I do not read.
Can't read severely dyslexic, by the way, So you don't

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really know that about me, which is funny because I
got into a line of business where had to read
a lot of copy. And how I got it reading
copy was I would kind of see what it was about,
and then I would just say it how I would
say it. And then people like that more because it
seems more authentic than um if you're just like reading
line by line, you know um. So So when I

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was a kid, I was like heavily medicated. I shouldn't laugh,
but it's true. I was. I was super a d
d super a d H d um and they gave
me all the riddling in the world, and I had
to listen to everything on tape because that's how like
I could absorb information. So literally, I go through a
book a week on audible. This isn't even an audible ad,

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is it? You guys? Are we doing that one? But anyways,
use our promo code wells just like but yeah, dude,
I and also I live in l A and you're
in traffic all to live long day, and so I'm
just sitting there listening. I'll listen to your podcast and
listen to my podcast, and then I listened to books

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on tape, so currently listening to The Shining, which but
I never had lists or read The Shining so good.
Stephen King's amazing. So it's it's actually like audible books
are a huge like benefit to your life. Listeners, we
want to ask you email us have been Ashley, I
heard me dot com or hashtag almost famous podcast. By
the way, listeners, you've been awesome. I've asked like I

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think two direct questions in the last three weeks of
this podcast, and I bet we average maybe a hundred
responses on Twitter that I get to read and they're
really fun. They don't always agree with me, but I
want to know if you think listen to audible books
can be considered reading or should we rephrase it and
say I've listened to that book. It's semantics. It really

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doesn't matter. But I get a little bit envious of
my friends when they say they've read so much and
they just feel a lot smarter than I am, and
really they're just listening. Well you can do that, do man,
listen to a book on tape and then have your
chapter or night before you go to bed, and you're
fine to close this conversation. And it wasn't I have

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to admit one more thing to you. Um, there's this
app that you can get and you can like access
your local library and so you can read audiobooks in
your local library. And it was so hard for me
to figure out that I gave up because I don't
get technology. I'm terrible, like really bad at it. So yeah,
that's why I don't do it. Anyways. Hey, uh, well,

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you got a front row seat to Paradise this year.
We haven't seen much of you. I want to start
this conversation by saying, why is that I don't like that?
It's not fun? Well, I agree, it's not fun because
I'm there for a long time, and I'm putting a
lot of hours, So I'm like, why should be on
this stuff? Um? But in all fairness of show isn't

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about me. Um, there's no drama surrounding me. If the
if the show is about love and drama, then why
would I be on it because I very rarely are
involved in either of those things, you know. Um. And
I also think that I am the guy that gives
a lot of pull advice, Like my my role on
the show is to give people advice and what they

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should do. And they showed a little bit of like
in the first two episodes, and then it's kind of
fallen off to the wayside night. And I think that's
because I think that the perception is that people are
making these decisions for themselves, and if they keep on
showing me telling people what they should do, then it
just seems like I'm almost like creating storyline, which I'm

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just really just being like, I think you should on
a date because dates are fun. They're always fun over there,
you know, like giving that those pieces of advice, and
I think if it just keeps on happening there, the
audience might be like, well, everyone just listening to what
Wells has to say, and they're not making any decisions
for themselves. That's how I'm rationalizing in my brain for
my ego. Well, I don't think your ego should be

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hit because and we'll stop grilling you with questions. We're
co hosts together here in a second, but I have
so many questions for you. Um, They've actually be back
now for what three seasons, Yeah, as the bartender. So
there's obviously a lot of benefit to having you there.
That's you are probably the first that I can remember,
like cast member to transfer for over to a more

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hosting or like on television producer role, and you've done
it successfully, they ask you to be there, they find
a benefit in it. Somehow, they just don't. I think
what you're saying is they use you when they need you,
and right now they don't need you. Yeah. I mean, like,
I mean, I live in credit role, which I'm totally
fine with, right. Like that's so for people I don't know.

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Credit role is like at the end of the show,
when they're like doing all the credits of all the
producers and stuff, it's like a silly thing that I've
said or done. One of them was like Derek and
I showing people how to kiss, which I didn't. I
thought that was funny and I forgot that we had
done that, but you know, and then you know in
the episode last night, it's, um, it's what we're playing

(07:54):
this like silly game and Demi doesn't know who Nelson
Mandela is, which is funny but also very sad. So
like if I live in like the funny uh comedic
world of credit role, totally fine with that. Um, I
do wish that Like in the last episode, there was
a lot of like Derek goes through a lot and

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like full transparency. Derek and I are very very close.
He was my roommate on the bat sirette Um. This
is you know he I was on. I was the
bartender when he got engaged to Taylor. This is our
third show together. We've been good friends for a long time.
And there are a lot of conversations that Derek and
I had, and I think for some for a lot

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of the conversations I have with people, I don't really
know them that well, so I'm just giving them my
advice as someone who's been there for a while. What
bummed me out about this most recent episode, and there
wasn't the conversation that I had with him as truly
like one of my good friends, and how I thought
he should be going about this and and how well
I thought he was doing despite all the crap that

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he was going through. Um so that bummed me out.
But can we just get a round of applause for
how good Derek looks? By the way talk Yeah, he's uh,
we have so much talking about with Derek. Derek is
now just blowing up Twitter. Two last questions for you, Well,
one is, uh, you know we became friends. I forget

(09:22):
when probably Vegas a few years ago, immediately like truly
did fall in love with you. I love you as
a human. And it's odd that sometimes when life for
me is being shook, like when I'm in a in
a place, that there's two moments for us that I
remember that I was in l A for one, and
we're in Vegas from it's I do reach it like
one of the first people in the mind. I have

(09:43):
great friendships, close friendships, but you are one of the
first people that I think of when I go, hey,
I know somebody's gonna listen, discuss and and be honest
with me. Through it all and probably and love me,
maybe more at the end of it than even the
beginning of the conversation. I want to know on Paradise,
you walk a thin line. I've seen it in my
friendship with you that you're really good at giving advice,

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But you walk a thin line between being just the
guy that knows it all and the friend that can relate.
Where does your source of wisdom come from it? When
you walk into these conversations and you see people doing
the weirdest things, fighting on the beach, um, love triangles.
You do it in a way that I watch and
I admire because it's free of judgment, it's based in love,

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and it works. And I want to know where that
where that insight comes from. I don't know, and I
don't know if I agree with you on that, but
thank you. UM No, here's the thing. You're gonna have
to agree with me to answer this question. So I
don't want you to be humble. That is a very
widely accepted thought by most people. UM. And if anybody

(10:47):
doesn't doesn't know you. And so for the sake of
this question, believe what I just said. So I'll answer
this to you. UM, I have the helicopter view of
the show. And I say that being I get every
side of the story. Everyone has their own narrative in
their head and how they see things and how they

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think things are being perceived. Um but everyone comes to
me and just that's also part of like my role
is to be like I don't when I show up
to work and on Paradise, I have no idea what's
going on. Like I wasn't there the night before, or
I wasn't there in the morning, so I don't know
what's going on. So I'll be like, okay, so hold
on what's happening, and then everyone will kind of download
me on the information that when you get all that,

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you get everyone's perspective. And then someone comes with a
like serious question about whatever issue it is, I can
answer it honestly because I know how everyone feels and
I know what. I can like sense the room right
like I can read the room, and I know like,
hey man, everyone's upset, you know, like you need to
go fix this, or like, um so and so really

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has feelings for you. And I know that because seven
people told me about that, you know. Um So, I
think that I'm knowledgeable, not because I'm I'm having this
innate ability to like figure out things. I'm knowledgeable because
I just have more information than everybody else does. Does
that make sense? Uh? It does. I'd also say to

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kind of close that thought would be that there is
something that I admire in you that if I was
the bartender, I don't think I would have every single
person from that's on the cast becoming to me with
sensitive information. And I think that is something that you've
done well at creating a safe place for them to
tell you these things. And as a result, you're better

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at your job and better at what you do in
your role because people feel safe to speak with you.
And for three years you have been able to do
that at an intimate level, at a close level, to
where people still trust you, believe in you, and come
to you for I mean, I would still as a person,
as a human come to you outside of the show
for advice and guidance. And I think that it is

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something too that we shouldn't overlook and I'm consistently impressed
with that on the show. For you. Um Well, to
switch gears a little bit, you have been around for
three years. We have a mutual friend in along Gail,
who we love and respect dearly. Uh. We've gotten a
lot of emails and some tweets here over the last
few weeks as drama continues to unfold in this show,

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and it doesn't feel like we have a lot of
things to celebrate yet I think we will at the end,
I hope. Um, what have you seen the impact of
along Gail being gone from your seat? Long? Gail was
the executive producer, really one of the He was the
first to kind of help start Bachelor in Paradise. This
is his first season no longer being with the show.

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Bachelor Paradise was his baby. The show moved on and
so did he. But there has to be some impact.
I would agree with that, um, And you can kind
of feel it when we were filming as well. Um,
just because he was such a powerful and a big presence.
A lot of people, uh from the cast really look
up to him and respect him. Like my my thing

(13:58):
with the lawn always was I always besides the fact
that he looks like Nostre Damas, he also kind of
like acts like Nostre Damas, you know, like he's got
those eyes that you're just like, oh my God, Like
you can see into my soul. Um and he was
just like very very wise guy. But the thing that
I think everyone was concerned about is that and if

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you follow along on any of his platforms, you can
realize that he's a very funny person. Um. He's you know,
he's like a stand up he's he's a comedic guy.
And I think people what people were concerned about was
that that was gonna be something that was lost from
the show. Um. And I don't know if I think
it has or it hasn't, because we're still kind of

(14:44):
in the middle of it. But Alon liked a lot
of like the kind of funky bits, and like I'm
trying to think of some of them, a lot of
them revolved around me, Like my my part in Paradise
was the brain child of me and a Lawn's friendship. Um,
So like a lot of like scallop fingers and puppets

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and like all that kind of stuff that we did
in the past. I was kind of, like I guess
people will say, like hokey bits. Um, we knew that
those would go away because he wasn't kind of steering
the ship anymore. Um. But at the end of the day,
like the show is serious, but still is funny. I mean,
like the opening credits are still funny. They're still funny

(15:25):
things that are happening. So I mean, I don't know,
what do you think after seeing a lawn exit? You know,
Alans For anybody out there listening, Alan has always been
this figure that vat Nation has been kind of, uh
just amazed by and confused by, because he is this

(15:45):
massive figure that stands like what five eight like, He
just like takes up a room with his presence and
you don't quite understand why. And I've never been able
to put my finger on what makes him a lan,
what makes him able to all, you know, be within
the draw Mamma sometimes even helped create the drama. Yet
trusted in Loves consistently year of a year. It's it's

(16:07):
an amazing quality. I mean, it was so amazing that
Heat was the one that officiated Ashley and Jared's wedding,
Like and my bet, Alan was semi responsible for a
lot of the tears that we saw Ashley have in
her time on the Bachelor, But yet she still trusts
loves and admires him, and I think there's a good
reason for that. I feel the same way about him,
But I don't know if we see I think what

(16:29):
we're seeing this season, and I don't know if this
is a lan or what. It's been really hard for
me personally and these are my friends to really root
for any of these people consistently, because I feel like
there's been so many ups and downs and so much
drama and wild changes that the storytelling has lacked a

(16:53):
bit and it's just kind of resorted back to the
drama every week. I feel like I'm holding onto the
draw Mamma and I and and instead of the celebrating
the love stories that in the past have continued to
attract me to Paradise. Yeah, I think we're maybe at
a turning point um in the season for now going forward,

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there's gonna be like a lot of love shown. I
mean I think that, like we're now through the muck
and the mire of the Hannah and Dylan and Blake things,
So like that's something that everyone's gonna be able to celebrate.
I mean, Clay and Nicole finally are able to see
where their love story goes because Christian and Jordan's are
effectively gone. Um, you know, I I there Dean said

(17:40):
no to a date so he's allowed to like continue
things with Kalen. So I think that we're act we're
at that pivotal point where like things can actually start
to coalesce and and we can follow those love stories. Um,
but I kind of agree with you. You know, like
there there's been a lot of like character assassination for
the most part on the show this year, and not
a lot of, um, character praising. I think is that

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is what I'm concerned about a little bit, because like,
you know, Blake looks bad, Blake's not a bad guy.
Blake looks bad, but he's not really that bad of
a guy. You know, Like I'm waiting for his storyline
to like look good again, you know, like I would
need a story arc from him. Um. And I don't know,
I don't think you're wrong. I'm hoping that changes. I'm

(18:25):
excited for it to change. But that's how I feels
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(20:35):
break down this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise. We
had a cliffinger last week. We saw a fight going
down between Jordan's and Christian while Clay sat on a
bed calmly, and it was all over. I don't think
it was actually over, Nicole, I would argue, I think
a lot of the tweeds and stuff, and we're referencing
that this was over Nicole. I think this was kind

(20:57):
of catalyzing back at men till all when Christian got
up and had his moment in front of everybody when
he was gone on night one. I think Jordan just
doesn't like that. I don't think Jordan really enjoys anybody
else having their moment when they don't deserve it. And
so the fight happens. It's a legitimate fight. And and
the thing that interests me wells as you're there, like
what is the kind of the environment feeling like as

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these two men are throwing each other around a beach? Okay,
so to like talk about Clay real quick. Do you
remember in the Wedding Singer when um Adam Sandler's kind
of like just losing it and there's that one moment
where the other wedding singer like pulls outside the curtain
and goes they're losing their minds and I'm reaping all
the benefits. I feel like that's what is Clay's is

(21:43):
sitting there being like, oh my god, looking good. Now
you know you're not wrong, You're actually right. You probably
what I mean, Because Clay's a smart dude. He's probably
sitting there going everything I hope for in this moment
is happening right now. Yeah, of course. Um. Also, I
feel like if Clay touched either of those guys, they

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might explode. He is a monster of a man, so like,
I don't know if those are if his fists are
registered weapons, but I think that there they definitely could
like hold up in court, that that would be an issue.
So he was just like nope, staying back. Um, okay,
So I talked about this on my other podcast, and
I can kind of do the same thing here. Um. Unfortunately,

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I don't think Jordan's is reading the room very well.
I think that he did a better job of it
last season, and so effectively, Jordan's doing what he did
last season against Chicken. Remember, Chicken was kind of like
chipping away at his relationship with with Jenna, kind of
always kind of being annoying. So he brought Jenna this

(22:50):
giant teddy bear or dog or whatever, and Jordan's in
that crazy floral one piece, walks out and grabs a
dog and throws it into the ocean. And because he
read the room and he knew that kind of like
Chicken was in on the joke, he like Chicken never
really cared. Um, Chicken was just always kind of kind

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of messing with Jordan and never was taking it seriously.
Now Jordan does the exact same thing right now. His
big moment last year was se him throwing this giant
dog into the ocean. So he's like, all right, if
it worked before, it'll work again. I'm gonna go throw
this giant pinata into the ocean. His problem is that
he didn't read the room very well, because Christian doesn't

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is not in on the joke. He's like, dude, don't
mess my piniata, Like that's messed up right, And unfortunately
things go really really wrong. And the truth is that
that was a like in real time, that was a
very scary moment. That was the like the Joe and
Leo fight was not as um as not as scary

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as that one. Because the way that Jordan brings Christian down,
he could have really hurt Christian, like million dollar baby
style off of that um that little day bed. There's
a step there that I don't even know if you
see when you're watching on TV. He could hit his head.
He could have done something and it could have been

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really really bad. Also confirm or disconfirmed, did Jordan's like
wrestle in high school, because that was a pretty a
pretty crazy move he pulled on Christian. A lot of
anger was behind that move, Like, yeah, I only am
able to pull off that move with any other man
if like I have in a drone on adrenaline rush

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of anger that has been built up for a bit. Yeah.
And then and then if you thought that, like there
was a lot of pent up aggression and anger with
Jordan's then all of a sudden, Christian is on PCP
and he's like able to like turn over a VW bug.
Seventeen million producers and security guards jump on him and

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he's like a grease pig out there. He gets away
and and we were like, oh my god. And there
was a moment. If you watch that episode, you see
me run out and I run about fifteen feet and
then I say to myself, what the hell am I doing?
What am I gonna be able to do? I'm gonna
go back to the bar, And then I got there.
But you give it a good tempt. I appreciate the

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I mean, those are scary moments. It's like you said,
I think even watching the episode, I felt like Christian
did hit his head on my step. I don't know
if he did or not, but this is something built
up to where all of a sudden, the whole energy
of Paradise has to change. Do you feel like these
moments connect the cast or do they contin like do
they isolate the cast even more? You know, I don't know.

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I mean, like Christian was so new to the scene
that I don't think anyone cared either way about him
coming or going. I think for Jordan's he's known as
kind of the guy that kind of does this stuff.
So everyone was just like, I mean, you know, it's
car it's par for the course, I suppose. Um. I
remember last year with the Joe Leo fight, it definitely

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brought everybody together, like there was a bad guy and
a good guy and everyone knew which side to be on. Um,
this one was just kind of it was just it
was just odd in in general and like really kind
of scary. So I don't know, I didn't love that
Jordan did that, and I just wish that if he

(26:26):
had done it, he had done it in a floral
one piece again. You know, I really, I really do
though this. I mean, there is humor to me. As
scary as the moment was, there was humor to me
and watching all the guys sit on the day bed
and watch us go down, including Clay. Like you said,
I mean, Clay could have ended this thing at any

(26:48):
moment if he wanted to, and they sat there, and
I do think at some level Clay was saying, well,
I'm a football player. I've seen aggression, I've seen violence
like this isn't scary for me. I've been around it
most of my career, and what ever is happening here
is ultimately going to end up really good for me.
And I want to tie this then into the Hannah,
Gy and Blake scenario with Dylan. While I'm watching this

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episode and while I'm watching the cocktail party, Dylan feels
like he's opposite of Clay and to where he's watching
from a distance and seeing this go down with Hannah
and Blake and going this isn't good for me. Something
here is happening that is ultimately not going to end
up in my favor, especially why Blake is, you know,
having all these Mariachi band singers come out and play

(27:32):
for him at any point? For you, did you doubt
that Dylan and Hannah were ultimately going to be standing
together at the end of that night. Yes, I doubted
it for a while. I I would say that the
guy that I gave the most advice to was Dylan
because I could really relate to the guy that was
like going after the girl that's like probably way out

(27:54):
of his leg and I was just like, all right,
these are things you gotta do to make this workout
for you. That the problem was that there was what
would that advice? Ben? I want to what what what
are some things that you would do to get to
back somewhere, to land somebody way out of your league? Um,

(28:14):
I don't know. You gotta go look at like early
tweets between Sarah and I supposed to figure out exactly
what I did. A lot of my stuff for him
was like this is gonna be hard for you. And
I think that that the thing that you're gonna be
able to that you're gonna have to do if you
want to come out on top, is you're gonna have
to be steady Eddie this entire time, and you're going

(28:37):
to go through the ringer and it's gonna be bad
because guess what, she's like the queen of Paradise right now,
Like if there if you could embody what Paradise looks
like it's Hannah Gye and like just beautiful, supermodel blonde
walking on the beach. Like you gotta know that if
you're going after the thing that's almost unattainable, everyone else

(28:57):
is gonna be going after it. Two, So you gotta
be chill, um. And that's like in that episode where
he's like watching them make out and I was like, dude,
turn around, look at me. Don't watch this anymore because
it's just gonna get in your head. And we had
a lot of those conversations like just be chill, Just
be chill. The issue is is that Dylan didn't really
have a relationship with Hannah before the show, and we

(29:18):
find out on the show that Blake, you know, had
gone out to Birmingham and they had kind of like
started this thing. And so unfortunately Dylan, even though like
she was she was into him, he was starting further
back in the blocks. You know. Yeah, yeah, Blake was

(29:39):
was was already got like a like a hundred yard
start on it, and so that was tough and we
all knew that was going to be an issue for
and that's why I was like, just keep with it,
you know, like don't blow up and and maybe things
will work out for you, And so far they have.
The part that stresses me out well is and I
want to hear your advice on this because I watched

(29:59):
this for Allan and then we're rooting for Dylan. You
told me that Dylan is uh one of the best
men you've ever met, and so as a result, I'll
trust that and I'll cheer for him. And like you said,
Blake isn't about I'm not rooting against Blake here. I
know Blake, and I think he made some really terrible
decisions and I don't think he thought it through, but
I don't think he's a bad guy. Um. But and
tell me if I'm completely off. I watch it right

(30:20):
now and I see Dylan chasing, and I see Dylan pursuing,
and I see him being uh steady in his thought.
But I'm almost stressed for him because I know in
my relationship now how comfortable and confident I am in it,
Like there isn't an anxiety of oh my gosh, once
she's gonna leave me, or am I you know I'm

(30:40):
gonna wake up today and she's no longer gonna like me,
or she's no longer gonna think I'm decent as a
human like I don't have those fears, And it's the
best part of my relationship, and it's the best part
of I think any committed relationship. When does that happen
when you are pursuing somebody at such a high level
where they are a little bit unattainable bowl when does

(31:01):
that switch? Does it ever switch? Does it? Is it
gonna switch for Dylan where he's gonna be confident and
comfortable in this relationship with Hannah. I mean the piece
of advice that I gave him a lot that I
don't think he ever followed, but it you know, that's fine,
was you gotta play it cool a little bit more
than you're doing. Like there was a part of me
that was like, you're you're on her hip a lot.

(31:24):
He would say things like look how hot she is,
Look look how beautiful all the time, which is a
wonderful thing to hear. But but that's also the truth
is that like women also like a little bit of
a chase and like a little bit of mystery and stuff,
And so I just want to reiterate that to him.
But the fact of the matter is that if Dylan

(31:45):
was if it doesn't work out for Dylan and Hannah,
it wouldn't have been a Dylan problem. It would have
been a Hannah problem, because he did and to this
point has done everything right. You know, He's he's been like,
I'm only here for you. If it's not, I'm gonna
go home. It's fine. Like, um, he has that phenomenal

(32:06):
line of like, this isn't about this isn't about like
getting you this summer. It's about like getting you after
the summer and forever. So I butchered what he said.
He did much more eloquently, and it was like you're
saying all the right things. Um, So I got nothing
but respect and mad love for Dylan. Like that's the

(32:27):
problem with this season is there's not a lot of heroes.
There's a lot of kind of okay people and and
villains for the most part, And like it was a
breath of fresh air to have a guy like Dylan
in there doing the thing that I think that all
women hope that all men do for them. You know, yeah, yeah,
And I think this is and we'll get into it

(32:48):
a little bit, but I do think there's a turning
point in this episode where I do start to feel
like there's some heroes out there. But before we get
to that, I want to talk for a second about
how this cocktail party ended. And I think those are
the two main themes that we should discuss. Is the
Blake Dylan Hannah drama along with the fight um. But
here's how the cocktail party ended. Demi picks Derek, Katie
picks Chris, Nicole picks Clay, Kaitlin picks Dean. Obviously, Tasha

(33:12):
picks J p J, which is one of the most
surprising relationships in the Paradise so far, one that I
do enjoy. Uh. Sidney picks Mike, Hannah picks Dylan, and
and a turn of events I think I don't know
if it was made up for TV or not, but
it felt like it was a probably as a friend,
a good moment for Blake because it humbled him to

(33:34):
know that he needs to kind of readjust his approach
and thought process and that the time spent with anybody
before the show might not be in his favor now,
and so it it is a little bit of the
you know, I think there's a lot of build up,
and we unfortunately even did on almost famous podcast where
we really built up the Hannah and Blake relationship. We

(33:56):
built them both up to be that unattainable figure in Paradise.
They both went in to it, I think, expecting to
kind of be the king and Queen of Paradise. And
I think we see in this moment almost where Blake
gives up that thought that he is going to be
the king of Paradise, and I actually believe it's going
to be in his favor. Yeah, I think I think

(34:16):
the thing that Blake's needs the most is like a
little bit of humble pie. Um. And I kind of
equate Blake to Dean from a couple of years ago.
And the problem is that I don't think that Blake
has done anything wrong really. I mean, he's a single guy.
He could have done things a little bit better. If
you're going on a reality TV show with a bunch
of women, maybe don't hook up of all of them

(34:38):
before you know you go on there. But like you know,
like you said, he didn't kill anybody, he didn't rob anybody,
like he didn't really do anything really really bad. Um,
But it doesn't mean that, like your actions don't follow
you around, right, And I thought that Dean couple of

(35:00):
years ago. His whole thing was like, well, I'm being
so honest. I'm telling everyone. I'm telling everyone the truth
about me, so I can't be the bad guy. Well
you can tell everyone the truth and still be kind
of an ass, right, And I think that Dean needed
to watch that back to be like, WHOA, I need

(35:20):
a course correct a little bit, like I need to
work on some things. And I think that as as
bad as it's looking for Blake, I think this is
ultimately gonna be a good thing because he's gonna learn
a whole lot about himself and how to carry himself
like going forward, you know. Yeah, And with Hannah and Dylan,

(35:41):
I think that you see it. It was a couple
episodes beforehand where Hannah comes to me and we talk
and I say the thing to her of like there
seems to be this thing that you can't shake with Blake,
but you need to make a decision at this point,
And that was a conversation we had, like she was like,
I just don't know what to do in terms of
the Rose ceremony me and I think that she she

(36:02):
had to make some tough decisions and figure out like
what it was really going to make her happy and
then she did it. But I agree with you, like
I think that everyone just wants some clarity, right, and
Blake got it after that road ceremony. It's gotta be

(36:22):
a tough it's gotta be a tough position for Hannah.
And I also wonder how Blake. I mean, I think
we've all seen that Blake is struggling with this. He
was definitely, I mean, even from the other cast members.
He doesn't have a lot of support on his side
as we watch his show back, and I think it's
gonna be a really hard lesson to learn, But I
do I am excited to see how Blake moves on

(36:43):
because we're gonna be able to see it. Christina chose
Blake uh in a fashion that you know, I don't
know if she had anybody else to choose. I don't
think she was feeling anything with anybody else. He's gonna
be around for a few more weeks. It will be
intriguing to see how his story plays out, if he
is able to kind of take a step back, and
if the asked around him as able to support him
at all, because so far, yeah, they started out not

(37:05):
on his team and as we speak today, then on
on his team and he's watching this back and I
don't think he expected to not be on anybody else's team. Hey,
the guys that got sent home this week, Cam, I
don't think it's that surprising. I just don't. I mean,
the guy cared, he fought it, he kind of put
his eggs in one basket that didn't work Will's. Will's

(37:27):
is surprising that he went home. I mean, I think
since Wills has been on the show, people have admired him,
especially women, have you know, said how how wonderful he
is and how beautiful he is as a human. But
yet he's gone. And this has been a consistent theme
in his time on the show is he comes in

(37:49):
a lot of excitement around him and then he goes
home earlier than we expect. What did you see in Wills?
And what do you see watching it back? That kind
of messed this journey up. Wills is a guy that
annoys me on Reality a TV a lot, and I
love in reality a lot. Um he he is like
a larger in life person when cameras aren't around, and
I don't know what happens, but and he's so funny

(38:12):
and so garious and just an awesome dude when there
are no cameras and sound guys, and then all of
a sudden, when that happens, he still has that bravado,
but it dissonderates so quickly when things don't go his
way and at the end of the day, like, no

(38:32):
one wants to be around the sad sack. Now, the fact,
the fact of the matter is is that Wills wasn't
the most sad sack guy this week. It was cam
Like he just would mope around. But you have to
exude the person that you want to be, and you
have to exude the person that you think that people
want to be around. And when you start moping around,

(38:53):
no one wants to be around you. And it's just
becomes a thing of like, let's just put him out
his misernking him the hell out of here. And I
think that that's I think that's honestly what happened. And
I felt bad for him because it was last year
where he was supposed to get where where Bibby was like,
I'm gonna give you my rose to like keep keep
going or whatever, and I think what she did was
like I think she pieced out. I can't remember exactly,

(39:15):
but I remember he was bummed that he was thinking
that she was gonna give him the rose and it
didn't happen. And the same kind of thing happened again
this year. Where on is it on Yanka that is
like peace I'm out, which is a brutal move, but
I mean I love it for TV. It's like gets
new new blood in there. But it's a three person swing,
whereas before it was just gonna be one person going home,

(39:36):
and all of a sudden, three people are going home. Um.
So anyways, that's my thing about Wills. I love him
to death, but you gotta you gotta if you if
you're feeling down in yourself, you gotta still kind of
like put on the brave face and uh and still
charm everybody, you know. Yeah, no, that makes sense. And
I wondered because there's a mystery there. We don't see

(39:56):
a lot of Wills. We don't get to know a
lot about Wills. We seem to enjoy Wills, uh, and
then all of a sudden, Wills is gone. Every time
we watch the show. The other guy that's gone is Kevin.
We don't know about a lot about Kevin. He makes
some comments unwarranted about Blake and he's out of there. Yeah,
they're moving into the next day after the cocktail party.
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(43:55):
idea what you're about to talk about. I want to
get your thoughts on it, Okay, I kind of to
get everybody's thoughts on it as well. Still there. So
we're doing this event called uh Sho Cow Country at
the brewery. It's that the Miller Brewery in Irwindale and
Jane Kramer's hosting it. There's great country music. I want

(44:18):
to ask Jed to perform. I think, like, you know,
I listened back again to his interview that we did
in the in depth and like, I think it's time, Like,
let's give this guy a shot. So I want to
see what you guys think. Wait, can we have a
contingent a contingency here? Yeah, he has to sing the

(44:41):
dog food jingle he needs if he doesn't encore with
the dog food jingle, no money, no money. I mean,
I'm going to have you guys call him, But I
wanted to like talk about it first because I think
it's time. I think it's like he made a mistake,
but like, this guy's a cool guy who we all

(45:02):
liked on TV, and it's like I thought it would
be fun, so I did mention it to him briefly.
He you know, he's nervous and has reservations too, but
I think he's on board. And this is what's so nice,
Like he's willing to totally donate his time for us
and you know, come out and have fun and like
meet people. So I want to do it. I want

(45:23):
to see what you guys think, and then I want
you guys to call Jed and talk about it. I
think you're handing Jed a silver platter. And if he
doesn't say yes to this, he's crazy. That's what I think.
I think. I think it doesn't really matter what's right
or wrong. Ed needs to say yes. It's more about
the fans. Like I think, like I hope everyone listening

(45:45):
is like, you know what, okay, Like let's go meet him,
let's go talk to him, let's listen to him play.
And I know it's that you're like polarizing thing with
the backs of people in the music, but it's like
the dude is a kind of a cool singer let's
do it. I'm fine with it. But also this isn't
my show, so I mean, what do we Okay, so

(46:05):
let's break this down, Amy, Okay, Ultimately, what do we like?
The alternative this would be me saying no, it's not
a good idea, and Jed should suffer for the rest
of his life and never have a gig again, and
nobody should ever support him or listen to his music,
and instead he needs to go off and do whatever
it is he's not passionate about and doesn't love. No,
of course I'm not going to say that like that. Um, yeah,

(46:29):
that doesn't sound good. No, so let's say, let's call
up Jed, let's talk to him about it. And then
I think, Wells and I both agree that Jed, you
need to say yes to this. You need to do it.
And if nobody shows up to listen to you sing,
at least you're singing and that's what you like. Well,
and here's the beauty of it. This other country band,
High Valleys performing this other country band, how are he's performing?

(46:50):
Its hosted by Janna Like people are coming already because
it's like it's a really great time and it's like
we're I Heart Radio. We're supposed to be all about
the bachelor, but we're about the good and the bad
and the forgiveness and the love and the whole thing.
So I think, like, this guy's a really cool guy.
Let's give him the chance. Perfect Remember when we didn't

(47:11):
like Dean and we love Dean? Do we love Dean? Jeez?
Do we ever tweet? Yeah? Holy cow? Every lows Dean. Hey,
all right, Amy, but will you text me because I'm
a little nervous because I want to know how it
goes because I'm in San Francisco, so I'm like not
there with you. So will you text me after and

(47:32):
tell me how it goes? Yeah, definitely, we'll call him
up An. I love you guys. By all right, let's
bring Jed on. Wow, what is up with your guys audio? Jed?
Are you in a windstorm? Right now? This is Jed
Welcome to His Face podcast. Is that better? There? It
is so much better? Hey, Jed? You have wells. Adams

(47:56):
and I here today for the almost famous podcast. We're
calling to fully talk some sense into you. I don't
know if you'll need it or not. We just got
off the phone with producer Amy. My heart has invited
you to sing at their event on Saturday, September seven,
from three to ten pm. It is called the so
Cal Country at the Brewery. They want you to perform

(48:20):
and we want to hear if you're gonna do it
or not. You know what, Um, I think I'm into it.
That sounds some Yeah, Yeah, let's do it. Any hesitation,
not at all? You know that that sounds exciting. You know,
I haven't played a lot of shows since everything's gone down. Um,
just kind of been taking some time, and uh, I'm

(48:42):
ready to get back out there and do some stuff.
So yeah, let's do it. The event will be this
So if you want to come and listen to Jed
play uh Jed, there's one stipulation that that wells is
laid out there. You need to play the dog food jingle.
I think that's just necessary. But also if aybody out
there is listening and saying I want to go to
this event, this is the event. You got live music,

(49:05):
great beer, you can come together at the so Cow
Country at the Brewery, presented by Miller Lyte. Live performances
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It's hosted Yeah I like that Na's hosted by Janet Kramer. Jed,
you haven't played a lot of gigs since your time
on the Bachelor. At Is it because you feel like

(49:28):
the fans are in support of you right now, or
just too much has been going on. It's really been
more of just too much going on. I need to
like clear my head now. Um, I think obviously there
there's so much, like there's so many things just like

(49:49):
floating around, and everyone was very angry, and you know,
I was upset too, and I just needed to take
some time to myself. But like I said, I'm ready
to get back out there, and I think this sounds
like a great way to kick off, you know, some
new beginnings. How are you feeling these days? By the way, man,
I'm a lot better. You know, I'm in sporter right now.

(50:10):
I'm on a vacation with my whole family, so I'm
sing I'm throwing more grounded. So that's good. I thought
this is gonna be a lot harder of aself. Like
I thought, we're gonna have to convince it this is
not fun anymore. It's just like, yeah, I'm into it, Sure, Okay,
why not? Yeah, it sounds like a good idea. I mean,
I was convinced, Jed, we're gonna call you up and

(50:32):
be like, are you crazy, don't be an idiot. My
Heart is offering you a gift. Go do it and
people will come out to support you. But instead he
was like, yes, it seems like a good idea. So hey,
if anybody wants to show up, uh, make sure you
go listen to a great show. Uh, some really great
acts hosted by Janet Kramer so Kyl at the Brewery,
presented by My Heart and Miller Lite. Hey, Jed, good luck.

(50:57):
Let us know how it goes. And that's all I
have to say. I'm glad you're doing well. I'm glad
you're happy. Enjoy your vacation. Yeah, enjoy your vacation, and
uh go play some music. You know what. I really
am excited, and I didn't really mean to sound, you know,
like I wasn't. It's just a you know, it's kind
of a cool surprise to get and I wasn't expecting

(51:17):
to hear that today. So I am thankful and look
forward to seeing everyone there. That's awesome, man, Well we're
excited about it. Dude, Thanks for taking the time to
chat with us, and also thanks so much so much
for doing this is gonna be a fun little show. No,
thank you, guys. I look forward to it, all right,
see Jed better dude later. Do you think Jed wears

(51:39):
cowboy boots to these shows? Yeah? Yeah, you're like, what's
his attire more than like the T shirt, jeans, cowboy boots,
trucker hat. Or is he like full on cowboy flannel,
tight jeans, cowboy boots, cowboy hat. It's either the first
one or maybe it's like the the rolled up jeans,
no shoes. I'm gonna try to get into like the

(52:01):
beer selling business as well, you know, like Kenny Chesney style.
I don't know what's happening, but I could be awesome.
Here's my thing. I think that Jed should like go
full Garth Brooks, Chris Gaines, change his name, change his
hair style. You know, try that out. Let's reinvent Jed Wyatt.
It's only for the best. Uh hey, well, let's break

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(56:09):
we see seen a little this mantled sad. I guess
we could say emotional. He was not chosen by the
woman of his dreams, that he was chosen by Christina,
somebody he has had a relationship in the past. Is
there any romantic connection at this point? Which meeen Christina
and Blake I think yes, just because you always will

(56:30):
have a romantic connection with an x um, just because
like you know, well they went to Stage Coach together,
so you know what that means. UM. But I do
think that like the ships sailed for their relationship, and
I think at this point they both are kind of
I don't really know, but they're both kind of like, well,

(56:50):
we'll we'll float each other, you know, will we'll be
given out friendship roses together for a while. I don't
know what is your vibe on it. I can't tell
either of them are that supportive of each other. I
guess that's my big question is if they were down
in Paradise and they're both like fighting for the other,
then it makes sense. I don't get if there if

(57:11):
there's like romantic chemistry, if they're just both in the
same team, if they had this conversation beforehand before they
got on the show, and they're like, hey, we're gonna
go down there support each other. It just feels weird
to me. And maybe I've missed this and I've forgotten it.
It feels weird to me that it felt like Christina
came down to Paradise to kind of called Blake out
and kind of say, Blake, you did this to me,
This isn't fair. Similar to the Kalin situation. I mean

(57:33):
really their stories are very similar when it comes to
Blake's up with one of them the night before and
vice versa. Yet now this change of heart has happened,
and I don't think we've seen why. Well, she kind
of mentions that she wants to watch Blake suffer and
see Blake be sad about Dylan and Hannah being a thing,

(57:56):
which is kind of super evil. Yeah, it's like, I
don't know, I watched You'll Cry every Day. I don't
like and I've always been a fan of Christina, but
that comment is like pretty dark. Yeah, Christina is I

(58:19):
was talking about this with a friend the other day,
and I think it holds true. I think that Christina
has been the victim of f boyery for quite some
time on national television, and she was Aladin and she
didn't like the way that she was perceived as being

(58:39):
like weak and um and emotionally clingy on that season.
So I feel like there's a part of her deep
down that's like, you know what, I've been confronted with
another f boy and I'm going to do the thing
that I wish I had done before, which is, you know,
I don't know hurt him because I know what it's

(59:01):
like to be hurt by guys like that. So at
this point, does Blake have any people on his team
in Paradise? And and the fall up to this, why,
as you think about that would be if I'm Blake
and I'm standing at a rose ceremony and Christina offers
me a rose and I know that she has ulterior
motives or since it, why in the world do you

(59:24):
say yes? Because I think he's open that he can somehow, um,
I don't know, reconstruct his image. So he's around to
try to figure out how this has all gone wrong,
to get a second chance, and to try to try
to fix what has already been broken. I think, So,
what do you think? Yeah? I mean I would think so.

(59:46):
I mean that would be the only reason because if
because at this point we haven't seen any type of
apology or true friendship between Christina and Blake. And so
if I'm Blake and I'm heart broken that Hannah hasn't
offered me the roads, I'm standing up there and then
all of a sudden, Christina offered him the roads, and
I go, wait, you do you know what my best

(01:00:07):
interest in mind? I think I'm running, like I'm out
of there. This has not been in my favor. I
know this isn't gonna get any better, Like there is
no fixing to what always been done. I need to
leave now. Yeah, I agree, I think you should have gone.
Probably a couple episodes beforehand, he made a lot of
bad decisions. I think one of them paramount was accepting

(01:00:28):
to go on a date with Christina. Like, you knew
that was going to not go well, you knew that
there was not gonna be a thing. What's the point
of it. You should have been like, hey, listen, I
so I still love you, and I hope I hope
nothing that the best for you. You You should go find
someone here for you. We don't need to hash this
out anymore. But he did that, and that put him

(01:00:48):
behind the ball once again, because then she just went
talents out and just destroyed him there. And then I
think she felt maybe a little bit bad about it,
so she was like, you know what, he deserves to
find love or whatever, So I'm gonna give him a friendships.
I don't remember it. If I remember it, She does
say Blake is not a bad guy. He's made some
bad decisions, and so her her thought process is, Hey,

(01:01:09):
this dude like he's been beat up. Does he deserve
it a little bit? Yeah, it probably does, but let's
at least keep him around to see if he can
show the Blake that we all know outside of his
you know, Galli vanting around. Yeah. It's a weird thing, man,
And it's it's also like Christina just comes across as
just kind of mean in this episode. I have to

(01:01:32):
be honest with you, Like I was sitting there being like, wow,
I didn't know this is how this went, Like her
conversation with Caitlin. Yeah, you know, I think Caitlin. I
think Caitlyn was coming from a fair place being like,
what are your intentions here? Because I don't think you
want to date him? So you just want the rose.
If that's true, that's messed up because I think that

(01:01:54):
I actually have something with him and you're kind of
impeding that. And then she just like does like the
scary Russian thing where all of a sudden she was
just like breathing over her with a knife in her teeth,
and it was terrifying and Caitlin felt it like like
felt the heat. It's we got a question last week, well,

(01:02:18):
was you might be able the instagram? Because we've got
to figure this out. If Blake would have said no
to Christina's rose at that moment, do they both go home?
I think so? Yes. We dressing that play out. It
was asking the podcast we had no we have no clue. Yeah,
can be confident? Okay, I I think yes, both go home.

(01:02:39):
So if there's one person now sitting with who is
one person in Paradise that you do not want to
get on their bad side? Would you say to be
Christina Christina more than Jordan's, more than Kaylin, more than Clay.
I don't. I don't know what Chris Christian um Demmi

(01:03:02):
like Christina is the one person you're saying, Yeah, that
one would definitely terrify me. She scares me a little bit.
I mean like Demi would scare me a little bit too,
I think. But yeah, no, Christina like she's also been
around and she's like when she was like no, honey,
like whatever she said, I was like, oh God, they're
gonna fight. Yeah, you know, it's wild. It's hard for me.

(01:03:26):
Like Chris, I had the like biggest crush on Christina
when she was on I forget whose season it was
and Nix, I was like, she's Nicks as the super
sweet girl. And now I'm like, if I was in
paradise with her, like I would, I would be so intimidated,
not because of like a crush, maybe just like I
don't want I'm gonna do something wrong, say something wrong,

(01:03:46):
and it's gonna be bad. Yeah, she's She's definitely like
turned into something that I don't really recognize, to be
honest with you, Like when she was going through all
that stuff with um with Dean, I felt so bad
for I mean I had that like that that one
scene where I asked her, like, uh, why are you

(01:04:09):
fighting for someone that's not fighting for you? And like
she breaks down and like it was this whole thing
and we hugged and like I felt so bad for
And now it's like she is a very very it
seems like a very very angry woman. I don't know,
and you might have said it best, you know, as
we we've gotten to see her journey kind of play out.

(01:04:30):
She has been a victim of some pain on this show.
And you do put up walls to protect yourself and
this pain might be deeper than what we've ever really
seen from the show, meaning that you know, when it
comes to Dean, she didn't like how it played out,
and when it came to Blake, however it went down
outside of the show, it then affected her coming onto

(01:04:52):
the show. There are some massive pains and as a result,
she's protecting herself. And this is a we've here's the truth.
None of us are ouselves when we're defensive. Yeah, none
of us. And she's definitely defensive right now because the
reason I'm saying that, and again I'm not down there,
I can't see it. I think she's defensive because we
still have yet to see her really pursue a guy. Yeah,

(01:05:14):
you know I I I think it comes down to
she always perceived herself as this really strong woman who overcome,
who overcame a lot of stuff obviously, like from her
upbringing and everything. UM, and I think that she hated
the way that she looked last time, and she was like,
I get to be I want to be that really
strong woman on TV this time, and I want to
show people like who I am and what I made
of Um. The problem is that sometimes it just comes

(01:05:37):
across as really abrasive and and and then she doesn't,
in my mind, seem strong. She seems kind of mean. Yeah,
it's a fine line you gotta walk. Who's someone that
you'd be scared to get on their bad To me?
Demi would destroy me. She would crucify me. She's way

(01:05:57):
too witty, way too quick, way too smart, and she
would say things that like that, Yeah, she I would
not know she even at one point was we were
at a the live taping of the Mentel All so
No after the final rows for Colton season, and Demi
was in her dressing with me and I went up
and I was like, hey, Dammi, I'm Ben. She's like, yeah,
you've bad mouth me on your podcast. I was like

(01:06:18):
right away, and I was like, oh did I? I mean,
I was like, well, I'm just you know, trying to
break down the episodes and what I'm seeing on the show.
She's like, you called me a pest, and I was like, well,
in a sense, I still stick to that because you're lovable.
You're like a lovable pest. Like you're like the pest
that like we can't get rid of, but yet we
don't know if we really want to like you're like
scabies or scabs or something like that, like we we

(01:06:38):
just can't get rid of you. And she was like
not happy, like not happy. And at that moment I shrunk,
like I could feel myself shrink. And I feel like
by the end of the night, I was on my
hands and kneeds me like, dim me, please forgive me.
I'm sorry. I don't mean anything. I said, You're the best,
You're the greatest, like I love you and and now
I watched you to me and I and I do
I love and we'll talk about them a little bit.
But anyways, Yeah, I'm still scared of Demmium, probably for

(01:07:01):
rightly so. So Christina and Demi are definitely to the
intimidated us. Um somebody that doesn't intimidate me. But I'm
I'm shocked by its Caitlin who shows up the Paradise
this week. She's some Coulton season the back, so we
don't see a lot of her on Colton season. She
if she had Night One girl. No, she stuck around
for a little bit, but um, she obviously didn't make
it as far as most women from Colton season that
are there right now. I I am was excited to

(01:07:24):
see her, UM because I thought that she looked exactly
like the girl from Fool's Gold UM, or also the
girl from Entourage that the Vinnie UM. So if you
guys just want to google that, they look exactly the same. UM.
But I was happy to see her there because I
think she's beautiful and we needed some new blood that day.

(01:07:49):
She was great, She was a great addition. She was
a little bit shocking. We didn't know a lot about her.
She is beautiful, uh, and she picks Blake to go
on the day with her. It's kind of the obvious choice.
I think a lot of the other guys were single
and looking to mingle, and he was sitting there. She's interested.
The The part though, through this whole thing, that I

(01:08:10):
was a little bit shocked by was how hurt Blake
still was at the day before. And I couldn't tell
if this you know, connection for Blake, this this request
to go on a date kind of built his confidence
and he walked into date confident, or if he was
more like, I just need to move on somehow, some way,
and she seems to be the best option. But here's

(01:08:32):
the thing, and I was really happy this going to
happen Before the day even starts, Blake says, yeah, I've
met her before at stage coach, which is just in
this season, like the worst phrase to use ever, as like,
I met her at stage coach. And he finishes up
and says, but nothing happened. I believe that. I think
he's been pretty obvious about what's happened. I think at
this point he's learned his lesson and would not lie

(01:08:55):
or tell, not tell the complete truth. There's also only
so many hours in stagecoach, you know, at some point
it's a it's a logistics issue in terms of a day.
That's a good point, Yeah, I mean, because what is
this two days? Three days? Like that would be a
wild tournament fans um. He goes on this day, it's

(01:09:16):
going well. He's still sucked up in Hannah's uh web,
and at some point he breaks through and he says
he's ready to forgive himself, that he's carried a burden
through this whole experience that has put a weight on him,
and he's ready to forgive himself and try to move on,
and he's excited to do it with Caitlin. Is there

(01:09:39):
is this a shift in the Blake story, Like, is
this moment a shift wells in your opinion on how
Blake views himself, what he's learned, and how others in
the house will view him. I think that that's how
what he thinks. You know, he realizes that him and
Hannah aren't going to be a thing. He's still there,
so he has to keep his are open um and

(01:10:03):
this is the first opportunity for that to happen. The
problem is that it doesn't. You get the vibe that
he's like not super into it, And that makes me
feel kind of bad for Caitlin, because, you know, devoid
of all the kind of crap that Blake has had
to go through, you still want Caitlin have good experience there.

(01:10:24):
You know. Did you get the vibe that like he
wasn't that into her? Remeybe his head was still in
the Hannah cloud definitely did. But I do think that
moment changed it for me. Like I think he went
into it very sucked in the Hannah and he's sitting
there with Caitlyn going that's over with this, has done.
This is a great girl who I'm getting along with.
I can move on my my confusion to all of this,

(01:10:45):
and I think our listeners can help break it down.
So listeners is my second question of the podcast. Please
email us at ben actually at our Heart media dot
com with your thoughts or hashtag is almost from his
podcast on Twitter. If Blake is so sucked up into
the Hannah situation, if he cares about her that much,
which I really believe he did, what in the world
was he doing at the very beginning of this process,

(01:11:06):
because as Dylan was pursuing Hannah and handle alone Blake,
yes he was distracted with Caitlin, and yes there was
a Christina thing, but he also showed interest in Tassia.
Night one moved on why wasn't that a Hannah pursuit
right away from because I think this whole thing looks different,
even the story with Caitlin and Christina, if he's with

(01:11:27):
Hannah saying hey, it all led me to you. Yeah.
It was as big as mistake of the entire um
season for sure, and it would have looked completely different.
I think if he had taken her on that first
date in Cenitasia. The issue is is that he also
had met and flirted with Tasha at stage coach from
what everyone was saying. So I think in his mind,

(01:11:49):
and this I do not want to speak for him,
but this is how I perceived it. It was, Um,
I'm intrigued by Tassia. I know him into Hannah. Hannah
is not going anywhere. So if I can get some
clarity between how I feel about Tasha, then I know
how to move forward with Hannah, I think, And I

(01:12:11):
think that's how he justified it in his head. He
should have taken hand on that first date. It would
have changed everything. It would have I mean, it's it's
less than number one in relationships. If you're into somebody,
you should probably pursue them and not test the waters
in the outside looking in hoping that person still sticks around. Yeah,
I think there's a part of me that thinks that
at that moment, Blake didn't think his s stunk, you know,

(01:12:35):
like he thought he was going to be the king
of Paradise and then he there's no way that he
could have perceived how like how hard this was gonna
unravel on him. Oh yeah, I don't know, No, it
could be true. Yeah, So like at this point, Blake's
I mean, this has made the beauty of these situations,
and and I'm a before on the angiogram wells, which

(01:12:56):
means I really enjoy authentic, real moments. I throw. I've
when even in pain, when things are real, And as
much as I don't like to see it, there is
a really beautiful thing that's happening to Blake in front
of our eyes that we should all celebrate that he
is being humbled. I think he would admit to that,
that he is being humbled in front of our eyes
on television and we're seeing it happen. So he if

(01:13:19):
he walks in, we've all been there. I don't want
to say this is a blake, This is only Blake.
I've had this happen to me in my time as
the Bachelor. You get a big head, you think you're cool,
you're walking on water, everybody is giving you attention, and
then all of a sudden, it all comes to a
screeching hall. Something happens that affects that confidence, and you
realize that you're never as cool as you thought you were,

(01:13:41):
and you're humbled, and you're ne're a better person because
of it, because your perspective changes, and there's like there
is a lens that's been covering your eyes that has
now been removed and everything looks different, feels different, And
I wonder if that moment was on that day with Caleen.
Maybe yeah, we'll see well to see the one thing
that can tinuees to be be constant though. You know,

(01:14:03):
we've talked about Hannah g and Blake's pursue, but Dylan's
pursuit of her, and we talked about a little bit ago,
but now is Dylan's time to shine. They get a
date in Paradise, one on one. Everything is kind of
led up to this moment, right we're all watching, at
least I am going, Okay, we've played games. It hasn't
been pretty. It's been hard to watch on both ends.

(01:14:23):
But this is the moment that feels like if it's
gonna go, well, we're gonna learn about it now, Like
we're gonna see this thing flourish. And Dylan and Hannah
Gee go on a date. They're walking on the water
to dinner. Literally, they sit down, they have a wonderful talk. Um.
Hannah Gee opens up and it's a really great moment
to see because I do think it it humanized her

(01:14:43):
a bit from being the kind of the goddess on
the beach to them being a real human who has
emotions and feelings and pain. And she opens up about
heart how she was heartbroken the last time she went
on this show, and she's worried and she wants to
protect herself. But there's one guy, there's one guy that
will definitely protect her. Uh. He might not be the
one that, if you looked at in the lineup, say yeah,

(01:15:04):
that's the guy that's gonna protect Hannah g it's Dylan.
Dylan says one thing to you, to her that makes
me realize that he's going to protect her. He says,
I love doing special things for you because seeing you
happy and feeling appreciated is something I want to keep
doing all the time. That's the same stuff I say
to Jess, Like that's like deep stuff, like hey, I

(01:15:25):
I will give up my own like happiness at times,
like I will. I will lay at the feet of
your desires to see you shine, because when you're shining,
I'm happier. Like when you're feeling appreciated, I'm I'm at
my best because that's how much I care about you.
Like that's that's deep stuff. And he's saying this to
hand a few weeks in. Is it too much, too soon?

(01:15:46):
Or is this where they're at. I think he I
think he was love at first sight guy, for sure.
And I agree with you, like a true love is
um is putting yourself, putting someone else's needs and wants
in front of your own, you know, and like that
that's what he's trying to say here. I think that

(01:16:09):
I think that he knows that he's in love with her,
but he can't say that because that's kind of weird
so soon. So he says, I'm starting to fall in
love with you. Yeah, But in his mind, he's like,
all I want to tell you is that I love you.
If like, if I could get Neil Lane in here
right now, I would, yeah, you know, I mean, is
that a beautiful Like we've see this all the time

(01:16:30):
on the show and we laugh at it and we
joke about it. Oh, how can you fall in love
so fast? All this stuff? But sometimes like magic happens,
like sometimes it just transcends the norm. And I feel
like I've watched Dylan this whole time, and he really
has loved Hannah. Now has it been reciprocated, I don't know,
but he really has loved Hannah since the moment he

(01:16:52):
laid eyes on her, and I think I would have
I think I'm would have enjoyed it if he had
just said, Hannah, like, I don't know what to say
right now, but I love I love you. Yeah. I
think he was worried about scaring her away for sure,
And it was so close to her, you know, swing
dancing with plaque on the beach that like, you know,

(01:17:12):
so I think he I think he was hedging his
bets there a little bit. I think that he said
as much as as much as he could without freaking
her out. Um, and I think he did a good
like a really good job. He opened up, talked about,
you know, his dad being diagnosed with cancer, and and
and then Hannah reciprocates with with I'm all in, which

(01:17:33):
I almost feel like is just as powerful as saying
I'm sorry to fall in love with you. Yeah, you know,
this is it? This is it? What before we move
on here, because we can this relationship was going to
be when we talked about for weeks and weeks and weeks,
what was it in Hannah that switched? I mean she's
literally one night separated from swing dancing with another guy

(01:17:54):
on a beach and kissing him. What moment was it
that switched for her to then say them all in,
because I'm assuming at this point she's all in. I mean,
I don't know, and I can't speak for I know
a lot of people on that beach were very much
team Dylan. So if you're going around trying to get

(01:18:15):
advice from people about what you should do, everyone, I
think everyone except for Blake, was like, you would be
crazy to break this kid's heart. Okay, And I think that,
you know, I think that she's a strong woman that
and that could make her own decisions, but I think
sometimes you need to hear it from everyone around you
to be like, yeah, you're right, man, like this is

(01:18:37):
a really good thing. What am I doing here? Like
sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. And
I don't really know, but I think that that when
she realized that everyone was like what is happening, that
she was like, you're right, what do you think? That's
probably it? I mean, I was gonna say it was
the moment she had to decide between the two, like
actually decide that She's started picturing life with Blake and

(01:19:02):
life with Dylan and life without Dylan and life without Blake,
and she thought that Dylan was going to offer her
or bring her more of what she was looking for
than Blake. And at that point, I think there is
a switch in all of us that says, hey, yeah,
this hasn't been easy, but I'm committing to it because
I know it's right and I know what it's gonna
look like, what I've always dreamed of. And you literally

(01:19:25):
seen me making out with other guys and stood beside
me and support the whole time. And that's somebody that
I need. I need my my writer Die. Not that
I'm gonna be making out guys anymore, but I need
my writer Die. I need somebody's gonna be there through
thick and thin wells. Dylan isn't the only one falling
in love in Paradise, surprisingly to all of us. To Twitter,

(01:19:47):
to the emails, yeah j p J and Tasha, j
p J says this. He says he's starting to fall
in love with Tasha, and he says, if Tasha were
my wife, I'd be the happiest man in the world.
Unexpected relationship. But here's one thing I've learned about JPJ

(01:20:08):
and all transparency. We all watch it, we laugh at
it because of the way he talks and the things
he says and he's throwing up it feels like on
the beach a lot and then in the pool. But
the one thing about JPJ is he is incredibly intelligent,
but he is a smart guy, and it's and and
he's he's a nice guy and he cares a ton

(01:20:31):
about this woman, who again is way out of his league. Agreed. Um, yeah,
Like I don't never really know that this this seeing
this play out is weird for me because this was
something that I think, I don't know if a lot
of people knew what was happening. Um, they're like closeness

(01:20:56):
was not something that was very much publicized, I feel
like to everyone on the beach, and I think that
that's going to be something that comes up later in
the show. Like they much, they're very much were like
sneaking away together a lot, and so a lot of
people just didn't know that they're they were so close
And did you even know they are so close until
you watch the episode? No I didn't. That's that's shocking.

(01:21:22):
I mean, because it is close and they are into
each other and changes in the hymn and they have
this goofy dynamic where they're both themselves there, you know,
JPJS reciting poetry and she's looking at him gazingly like
I've never recited poetry to a woman and for her
to take me seriously, Yeah yeah, yeah. Well I don't
know if she took him seriously either though, to be fair,
and I here's my thought on like the fact that

(01:21:45):
it wasn't like super publicized. Um, the perception of JPJ
is he's just like fun loving um Bill and Ted's
excellent adventure guy, right, Like that's it's like, well, all right,
let's yeah go to the beach and it hits and
sick ways bro, Like he's that guy. Um. And I
think there's a part of tation that's like I shouldn't

(01:22:06):
be falling for something like this, you know. So maybe
I'm going to keep this under wraps for a little
bit and see what happens, um. And then what ends
up happening is which what is what I love about Paradise.
The relationships that end up working are never the ones

(01:22:28):
you think they're gonna work beforehand. And I could have
told you this before the season started, that there was
no way in hell that Blake and Hannah Gee we're
gonna work out you know why, because everyone wanted that
thing to work out. And then how it happens Carly
and Evan great example, the Goose and Crystal. Everyone was like,

(01:22:50):
this is the weirdest combo ever. There you go. I
mean like, and I think that's the beauty of paradise
is it brings people. Okay, So the problem that we
all have in the back stor world is we are
all single, which means we all dated the wrong people

(01:23:12):
and we think that we know what our type is.
But the truth is we're wrong because the people that
have been our type have never really worked out. Hence
why we're on the stupid television show. So the reason
why the people that you don't think will work out
for you work out is because they're not the thing
that has been the wrong thing the entire time you've
been dating your entire life. And that is that's my spiel.

(01:23:35):
That's good, That's that's brilliant. I mean, that is well,
that is a brilliant synopsis of why we're on this
show and why we struggle to find relationship in the
real world, and why this show feels so attractive to
so many people that continue to come back because on
this show it's one of the first times that you
can openly date somebody that's not your type. Hey, um

(01:23:55):
speaking to more shocking relationships. I want to get into
the Demi and Derek convery station, and I want to
set this up for you. Hannah By knows Demmi well.
Hannah By comes to the beach. Uh surprises a lot
of people. Mike said, a lost for words, and everybody's excited,
and Dean saying, hey, maybe Hannah By wants gonna date
with us. Who knows what's happening. But really, Hannah's there
to talk to her friend and be a friend to Demmi.

(01:24:18):
And at this point we see Demmi start to open
up about something that is um very new to this franchise,
something that is incredibly courageous I think, to enter into
and to start talking about. And she's doing it with
the perfect person and Derek. So Hannah By encourages Demmi
to follow where her heart is, to follow what she wants,

(01:24:41):
and she's still a little bit confused on what she wants,
but she knows she has a partner back home in
Christian de Mean says her the girl's name for the
first time, and now it's time to talk to Derek,
your friend, somebody I don't know well at all. I
really don't know him at all. So I'm coming back
about this just from a fans person inspective. But Demmi

(01:25:02):
opens up to Derek and both of them and here's my, my, my,
how I want to start this. What they did in
this moment was more compelling, captivating, and I guess enjoyable
for me to watch than any drama that's ever been
done on this show at any point. It was two
adults having a very real conversation, one person, Demi doing

(01:25:23):
something incredibly scary but also incredibly courageous, and Derek being
put into a position where his heart was torn, his
interests were divided, yet he listened, and I think it
was awesome. And I want to start here, wells with this?
What about this moment for you? And what about let's

(01:25:44):
start with Derek, because we're gonna talk a lot about Demmy.
Let's start with Derek. What about Derek? And and because
you're his friend, what was going through his mind do
you think at this time? Alright, so I agree with
you and what you said. I thought it was the
best reality TV that I've seen, um in any reality
TV show, like it made me feel something that I

(01:26:04):
don't normally feel, which was like I got like teared,
I teared up when I saw the whole thing. And
I think that's partially because Derek and I are really
close and I could like feel his pain. I think
that what was going through his mind was this sucks
because I really really liked this girl and I could
see myself with her. Um but I understand that what

(01:26:30):
she's doing, Like, first of all, coming out do your
best friend is tough. Coming out to your parents even
more difficult. Imagine doing that on national television, Like that's
on a whole different level of scary. I think that
Derek realized the weight of the situation. I think that

(01:26:54):
he also is smart enough and woke enough to realize
the situation was much bigger than him and it's okay
to be hurt, But also he needed to be supportive
because he realized that the situation of him getting his
heartbroken paled in comparison to the thing that she was

(01:27:17):
about to go through, and that will go through, you know,
a couple of months down the road when the show airs.
So I think that the one that wonderful thing about
Derek is Derek is smart enough to be able to
understand how big of a moment that was for him,
but still he's human and his heart was was like, man,
it sucks, you know, like why does he keep happening

(01:27:38):
to me? Thing? Does that answer your question? Does? It
puts him in an interesting snare? Right? So if if
Demmy had a boyfriend back home, yeah, I think it
feels different. But we realized that Demmy came to Paradise conflicted.
Um not confused, but conflicted. She was interested in pursuing

(01:28:00):
a partner in Paradise. She wanted to be in Paradise.
But she then admits, and then the reason I'm getting
this because she was downplaying the situation with the girl
back home Christian. And so at this moment, it feels
like it switches because Derek is smart enough to know
where Demmy was coming from by even coming to Paradise.
And I thought Derek did something that I hope every

(01:28:23):
friend would do for me for the rest of my life.
Is he would sit, he would empathize, he would relate,
and he would speak from a place of empathy and
non judgment and non criticism and even even taking their
own self interests out of consideration. He would do it
because he knows it's the best for the human sitting

(01:28:43):
across from And that to me was one of the
most brilliant not brilliant. I don't think he did it
cal calculated. I just think it's probably who he is.
But I can't and well, this is what I mean.
I'll call it a really good God moment. Others will
call them a miracle of sorts. How in the world
did Dimmy have the opportunity to sit down with Derek

(01:29:06):
out of anybody else there? It feels miraculous that Derek
was the person sitting across the table from her as
she shared this as it was happening, and while we
were doing it, it was very much a conversation of
there was no other person in the franchise that probably
could have handled it as well as Derek did. And

(01:29:27):
everyone was just super happy that and proud that he
was there and he was a part of the franchise
to begin with. And I like, just to echo your point,
like he just comes across as super selfless in a
in a moment where you get to be selfish, you know,
like this is these are my feelings too. But he

(01:29:47):
still had the wherewithal and the compassion to be like whoa, okay,
hold on. I realized this as big and I realized
this is this is much bigger for you than it
is for me. So what do I need to do?
I mean, like even the thing of like, well, can
I talk to Christian before everyone else does? That's crazy, right,

(01:30:08):
Like if that was another guy, I'm sure he'd be like, oh,
I'm gonna punch a sky in the first, you know,
but like he was like, whoa, okay, hold on, can
I at least like meter first? So like we have
a connection before, Like I wouldn't have thought to do
that in that moment, you know, Like that blew me
away that he had the compassion to do that, you know. Yeah,

(01:30:30):
and there's the you know, one of the fun parts
about this show is everybody can say the right thing
for a few weeks. It happens, right, everybody come on
and be the Mrs Hero or Mr Hero or whatever
like you can. You can come on and say the
right thing for long enough. But ultimately the show does
a great job at pulling your true character out. And
I think for the most part, the humans who have

(01:30:53):
the characteristics of a good person end up thriving from
this show and the other ones they they kind of
go by the way side after a few years or
even an episode. In this moment, it was a lot
of times when when conflict occurs, Well, what I'm getting
at is, and this is probably me being judgmental, but
a lot of times when conflictly occurs on the show,

(01:31:14):
I listened to the response to the other person, and
it feels very um self selfish. It feels very uplifting
for the person in their response, Oh you're breaking up
with me? I am so sad, I'm heartbroken. Everybody should
feel bad for me. Blah blah. No, when I watched this,
there was not one moment that I ever since from

(01:31:34):
Derek that this was anything more than him caring a
lot about somebody he cared for. And that's what made
it so beautiful. It was real, it was raw. I
don't think he could I think he could have cared
less if there was a camera around or nine million
people watching. What he cared about in that moment was
Demi and what Demmy was doing and what what what
was really changing the path of Demi's life. Yeah, and

(01:31:57):
it's interesting to see like he obviously is very strong
for her in front of her, and then very strong
for her with Christian when they when they meet. Um,
but he still has that like very real moment when
he when he kind of like walks away from the situation,
he starts to break down and is has this kind

(01:32:18):
of whole spiel of like is this everyone keeps saying
I'm a good guy, Like when is that gonna be enough?
Like when's that gonna be enough? He finally realizes that
his feelings matter in this moment too, but he has
the tach to not do it to her. He does
it basically alone in the sand, or basically do a producer.
I think, um, and I thought that was a really

(01:32:39):
beautiful moment too, where he understood how big the moment
was and he was so compassionate to her. He was
even compassionate and the fact that he didn't do the
woe is meeting to her he walked away and did
it you know and like and and saved her from
having to experience pain you know there, which the whole

(01:33:04):
thing was just like now, that was that was like
arrow in my heart moment on Paradise for sure. The
Demi story, Uh, it's obviously when that's intriguing. But mostly
I guess here at the podcast, I want to say, um, Demmi,
we completely support you. I think that's obvious. But that

(01:33:24):
was courageous and UM, I know it wasn't easy. I
don't know if you listen to this, you must because
you got mad at me once. This is your big
kid pain the maker like you again. But good on you.
Good on you for how you explained it. Good on
you for pursuing um, for handling the way you did,

(01:33:46):
and for telling Derek and Derek. Great on you as well.
So to have a little more fun with this. I
mean this is not like a heavy, like sad conversation,
but they have a little more fun with this. I
want to ask you, well, now Derek's in the place
we've seen it be or from paradise. Now he's being
talked about as the next Bachelor. I mean he is
literally last night on a poll that was done on
social media, he is now in third place behind uh

(01:34:09):
Mike Johnson, uh Peter, and then you have Derek. Is
there a chance that Derek Peth could be the next Bachelor?
I think anything is possible. I will go ahead and
do it on your podcast. Uh I am hundred percent
team Derek for Bachelor. Like one, he's my good friend. Um,

(01:34:34):
but I have like a whole spiel on it cause
I've been thinking about it a lot. Derek is thirty
two years old, so that means the women that will
come to The Bachelor will be older than twenty two
years old, because that would be a big age gap, right.
I think that was kind of one of the issues
with Golden Season. He was just so young that a

(01:34:56):
lot of the women were very young and hard to
relate to. No. Two, Derek has a normal job. He's
like the s v P of a bank or something.
I don't really know what he does. It's like he's
like Chandler Bying, where no one really knows what he does,
but it's a it's a job. It's a real job
right in New York. And then the uh there for
the right reasons thing, we know that Derek isn't going

(01:35:19):
to try to start some career as a singer or
a model or something, um, because he already has a career,
and he already got engaged on the show and then
got his heart broken in that situation. And he looks
like John Krazinski, so like though all those things make

(01:35:40):
me think that, like, Mike's a great guy, Tyler is
dating Gid apparently, so he's out. I guess Pilot Pete
seems like a really, really nice guy as well. But Pilot,
he hasn't been on my TV in a while. You
know who has, Derek, so I think it's a possibility.
I think he would be a really good one. I

(01:36:01):
thought what he showed last night is a hard thing
to do, and it was one of the problems that
I couldn't do when I was on that show, which
was be funny, be honest, and then also um, be
authentic and like showing your feelings. I was never good
at Chris. I never cried on TV, not once, and

(01:36:26):
that guy did all those things. I thought, really, really, well,
what are your thoughts? I've always said, I don't know
any of those other guys. I really don't even know Derek.
I would agree with every point you made, especially the
I know who's been on my TV recently, and that's Derek.
I think Mike has a great shot because the franchise
has to have a black batchlor a Bachelor that we're

(01:36:48):
not maybe have seen for twenty I don't know how
many seasons have been on, and he's a he's a
good dude for it. He's a great guy, and women
like him and he's a big presence. And I mean,
if if we're not going to choose my guy, I
don't know who you would choose, and I don't know
what's going on. So it would be surprising to me
if Mike isn't chosen. Really it would. If you asked

(01:37:08):
me today, I would say that Peter is number one,
Mike's number two, Derek's number three. I just I think
we would all be too confused at why Mike wasn't chosen.
If Mike isn't chosen as the Bachelor, I think I
would raise too many questions that are probably semi legitimate,
and but here, but the caveat to that, a caveat

(01:37:30):
to that is this taking anything else out of consideration.
And let's just talk about the stories that are being
told on television and the men right now that we're
fully in supportive and rooting for. Derek. Peth is up
there with anybody else I've ever watched, And Colton's a
buddy of mine. Colton is a friend of mine. I
was not in favor of him being The Bachelor. I

(01:37:50):
did not think it was a good idea. I was
not rooting for him. I was rooting for him to
find love. I didn't think he was ready for a
true love. I didn't think he was in a place
in his life. It didn't seem like that he was
fully sold out on pursuing a part. Now, he proved
me wrong, and I've said that he did. He proved
me wrong, and he's with Cassie and their dating and
it seems like it's going really great and good for him.
So he did that and he did it well. But

(01:38:12):
coming off of the show The Bachelor or in Paradise,
I wasn't in team Colton. I'm I'm rooting for Derek somehow,
some way. I want to see him get a legitimate
shotify life, and I know, I know how powerful the
show can be to help you get there. That's the
thing is, I want somebody walking in to be the Bachelor,

(01:38:33):
with no ulterior motives, no no foresight of I hope
this brings me a new job, or I hope this
brings me more money or more attention or whatever I
think that will come. It just happens. I want somebody
walking in to be the bachelor to say I'm going
to give it my all to find a partner in
this experience, and even if it fails, I at least

(01:38:55):
gave it my all because it was a gift handed
to me to sue people that I typically would never
have the chance to pursue. And Derek Pet is somebody
that I can fully get behind that right now, I
can and I will say I think those three guys
all have a shot. I think they're all be great
at it. I'm not against any of them at this point,
but Derek Pet definitely stands out to me as somebody
I'm rooting for. Do you find it odd that you're

(01:39:17):
not seeing a lot of Mike on your TV screen
just in general? Yeah? It is. I think that was
one of the things, is like I watched Bachelor Paradise,
and why am I not rooting for Mike's or he's there? Like,
why am I not? Why? Why is my heart not
being pulled at this guy? I just haven't seen him.
I don't know what. I don't know what he's doing
right now. Yeah, and they're not even using him with

(01:39:37):
like interviews and stuff to like narrate, so like he's
still omni president, even though like he's not in a
relationship or like him and Sydney aren't like one of
the strongest couples. I find that interesting. And I'm not
a producer, so I'm not involved in any of that.
But I try to look at it through the prism
of like, well, if they're trying to build someone up
and not someone else, this is how I would do.
And I wouldn't show them a whole lot and I
show the other person a whole lot. You know, Yeah, no,

(01:39:59):
I I agreed. I think that is something that's and hey,
I'm a fan as much anybody else. Now, Like I
watched the show, and I root for the people I see.
I do. I mean, that's just part of it. I
see Derek crying on the beach and getting his heart
torn out twice now, and I go, that's a guy
want I want to root for. Like, he's not arrogant,
he's not an adul he's a nice dude who's trying
really hard to find a partner, and I'll root for him. Uh,

(01:40:23):
you know what, I don't know what Mike story looks like.
At the end, I could be switching gears and at
the end of this being like, oh, please choose Mikes
hearts broken. I don't know, maybe, but right now I'm
I'm rooting for Derek somehow, some way, and I want
him to find love. It well, um, I think it's
a good summary of this week's episode. I want to
finalize where we're getta a lot of emails right now
about the Twitter wars. I don't want to mention anybody's

(01:40:43):
names because I really don't want to give anybody any
type of attention or satisfaction for their just complete hatred
on Twitter. But I want to lay this question out
there because it's been asking a kind of different arenas
and in different ways. What is it about this world

(01:41:06):
that seems to be make people so vengeful against each other?
We're seeing it now, and and it also gives people
a platform that probably shouldn't have a platform to speak
about topics, if it's gay rights, or if it's minority rights,
or if it is social justice for any person that

(01:41:28):
is suffering from any injustice. Now, all of a sudden,
we have all of these Bachelor people taking a stand. Now,
granted I'm guilty of that. I ran for office, like
I'm in that world, So I will put myself in
that category. I don't think I am qualified to know
how every single person that is hurting should feel or

(01:41:50):
how that issue should be solved. But the dangerous part
right now, wells is we're seemed to be over the
last six months in an environment where hatred seems to
be being displayed, not from the trolls on the online
but from the people that have the platform. And for me,
that is a switch that seems scary and not great. Yeah, unfortunately,

(01:42:14):
I think right now in our society is it is um,
it's not even being condemned, it's almost being celebrated that
you can say whatever you want to say and um,
and you're not shunned Ford or whatever you're you're you're
praised or I mean, and from the top down, you know,
like some of the biggest politicians in the world can

(01:42:37):
say whatever they want on social media and it's a
little scary. Um, there's I don't know how to answer
that question. I'm just not that guy, dude, Like I'm
I'm a waka waka waka let's tell a funny joke
on Twitter guy, and like that's just what my thing is.
When people when people okay, had a programmed director in

(01:43:00):
radio years ago that said, you can talk about whatever
the hell you want to talk about, but never talk
about politics. And I said why and he said, well,
the second you talk about politics, half the people that
are listening to you I don't agree with you and
hate you. And guess what they do. They punch out.
And if they punch out, then alreadys go down and
everyone fails. And I feel like that's kind of what's

(01:43:21):
happening in this situation is a bunch of people are
punching out because half of them don't care about what
the other people are saying. Here's here's the finalized this
whole thought is I feel like maybe we've never had it,
and now that we all have a little platform to

(01:43:41):
speak on, have we lost our ability to reason? So
what happens when when when Hayte is beauty, it takes
away the ability to be curious, to adjust, to reason,
and to come to any type of truth whatsoever. And
I just think if the Bachelor World is going to
continue on this path, it's going to isolate every single

(01:44:03):
person that comes on the show. And as ultimately, and
here's why I'm even bringing up, I think it's a
really bad look for the show, and I think it's
a really bad look for any future contestant to come
on the show because the more and more we the
Bachelor people, including myself, and I've got a process through
this isolate the masses. It's a it's a representation of

(01:44:26):
anybody that comes on the show in the future. And
I think we do have an obligation to try to
protect our platforms and who are who are who? Who
is our following? And it feels like right now with
the hatred being skewed, there is no reason and there
is no truth being told. Yeah, I mean a little
bit of it seems like, Um, I'm no longer in

(01:44:46):
the spotlights, so if I say some weird stuff, then um,
people will notice and um, then all of a sudden,
I get that high of a bunch of people are
are giving a crap about what I'm saying. Thing. Um,
but that comes to the cost, as and that cost
is generally, Um, you look like a tool. Yeah. I

(01:45:08):
don't know. I just don't know how to just I
don't know how to answer your question. Man. We live
in a weird world where people are celebrated for saying
bad things. Yeah, well, I think that's I think that's
a good way to answer the question is let's accept
that and one with this, be kind for everyone you
know is fighting a hard battle, and every second, Wells,
we're creating a story. Wells Adams, the co host of

(01:45:33):
the century, thank you for being on the almost favorite podcast. Wells.
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