Hearing All from the Men with Tayshia, Dean & Jared

Ashley is ready to break down the Men Tell All  and she has Dean Unglert, Jared Haibon and Tayshia Adams on deck to give their thoughts.

We discuss how the show will change after the revelation of Jed and his “preshow” girlfriend. 

And we get technical when figuring out if Luke P is actually a psychopath.

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on our radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
This is Ashley and I have been on the line
for just a few minutes to talk about the very

(01:10):
very important stuff that happened at Mentel All. It was
so juicy, and of course, like almost every episode this season,
Luke stole the show, and not necessarily in a good way. Ben,
I know there was stuff that you want to talk
about with Luke in the very short amount of time
we have, So I'm going to give this over to
you right now. Yeah. You know, it's been interesting and
as we've talked about this season, you know, the idea

(01:32):
of sex and religion and of Luke, it's all been
polarizing and talked about, and uh, you know, I came
out a few weeks ago and kind of talked about
just how maybe envious I was that um God was
being spoken about so much, and you know, typically on
this show, we don't see that, and we also don't
get the opportunity to talk about some of these topics

(01:52):
that are pretty taboo, like sex. And I really want to,
first off, say thanks to the show for opening up
the door for us talk about next is you know,
I came out pretty strong against Luke a few weeks ago,
and then I hold to a lot of those opinions.
The one thing that I felt really convicted of the
last couple of weeks is that I think my envy

(02:14):
and my jealousy really kind of swayed my thought process
on Luke. I never I still don't agree with how
he communicated. I don't agree at the ftance he took
towards Hannah at all. But I didn't, you know, just
like I preached to take a second and listen to
somebody's story, I dismissed his story right away because of

(02:36):
how he was communicating, and it was unfair to him. Um.
And I also, I want to say this, I've learned
a lot about myself through this season. It's been a
wild season and a lot of these topics hit me
really personally. And I don't think Luke intentionally came onto
the show to be a bad dude or to be
the villain of the season. I think he got caught

(03:00):
up in a mess and a storm that spit him
out in a really ugly way. And it's not editing,
it's not the show being the show, it's that this
whole thing. I think Luke was a really good example
ash of how this show can come full steam on
you really fast, and unless you're prepared for it, it
can get ugly. And I think was flushed on him,

(03:24):
and he just get smiling down and down down. He
couldn't get out of it. He couldn't get out of it.
And and i've i've I have. I felt a little
bit guilty that I took, you know, what he was
trying to say, and I assumed that he was trying
to say it to hurt others. And I don't know
if that's true or not. I don't know this guy.
And I think I just got caught up in this

(03:44):
whole season, just like most of the fans did, with
getting angry, getting resentful, you know, putting up silos and
not listening to others and what they're trying to say.
And honestly, like who am I to question somebody's story
and their relationship with something bigger than themselves? Like who
am I to question if he believes in God or not,

(04:04):
or if he's a Christian or not, or if his
beliefs are right or not. Like that's not my place,
But my place is is to be a fan. And
now I look back on this season and say, this
was one of the most polarizing characters we have seen
the whole time. And the doorbell rings in a moment
of drama. Then I don't think you have anything to

(04:27):
feel guilty about. You're a very I think you've articulate
yourself completely. I'm surprised that you're saying that you feel
like you were you were je you were that jealous
of Luke having the religious platform that he was given.
Can you like a little bit more? What's that? Can
you like talk about that a little bit more? Yeah?

(04:48):
I can't. This is the right word. No, I was
because I was jealous because the show, and you know
the show, and I've always had a good relationship, but
I never got to talk about Jesus during my season,
and I never got to fully explain my different thought
processes and how I believe and why I believe in
what I did, And so I did get jealous. I

(05:09):
did get it was hard for me, And I wasn't
jealous of Luke. It was mostly just being jealous that
this conversation we all bear around somebody that's just new
to this whole thing and just starting to experience God
for the first time. I want to be the guy
to thought like I want to have the opportunity to
talk about Jesus um so people can hear and know

(05:29):
and instead I feel like Luke got thrown into this
world without knowing what he was getting into. I also
think this though, Ashley. And there's one thing that I
still am confused about, because I've thought about this stuff
a lot, is you know, the one thing with Luke
I don't get yet, is he, if I remember right,
he was the very first guy to take off his

(05:50):
shirt and start massaging down Hannah. Right. Definitely forgot to
mention that last week in all the hypocrisy, right, I mean,
for a guy that's gonna stand up and speak so
strongly against Anna becoming physical study, I feel like he
in a sense was almost leading her into that as well.
Like I don't know what he was trying to do

(06:11):
by taking off the shirt and rubbing her down. There's
only one thing that happens, at least in most people's
world after they do that, and that is so Yeah.
I just we've had stored sex so many times on
this podcast in the past couple of weeks. I'm just
trying to come up with alternatives. Well, I get it,

(06:34):
and like we talked about it a ton. I mean,
it's been wild how their responses and I love it.
You know, part of this podcast actually, maybe the only
reason to do a podcast is to get people talking.
And one of the things that Luke and the rest
of the show has done a great job at this
year is it's gotten people talking about the idea of
sex and that the idea of faith and the idea

(06:55):
of relationships, and for that, like, I'm so thankful that
we get to be in the middle of that. Yeah, no,
it's it's great. We've been given a couple of good seasons.
We've been able to talk about like life in a
bigger aspect than a lot of previous Bachelor seasons have been.
You know, like I don't want to put a timetable
on it, but like ever since we started the podcast

(07:17):
was really when it started to bring up more like
cultural topics, Ben, I I could talk about this for
a while more with you. And I really do feel
like you should have like your own podcast just called
Sermons with Ben. I think like it really would be
a great outlet for you and a really great thing
for a lot of people out there to listen to.
But you also, you have another project coming up, and

(07:39):
you are um so busy these days. I don't know
if you could be able to handle the Sermons with
Ben podcast. Because you're going on a nationwide tour and
you announced that yesterday. I'm mental all they announced you
as being the host of this. Can you tell everybody
what this is all about? I am so jacked. Actually, um,

(08:00):
I'm gonna be the host of The Bachelor live on
stage show. What it is? It's a live show, uh,
coming all throughout the US. We're stopping in a ton
of different places, I mean a ton of different places,
and we're showing up with really the idea that the
Bachelor Nation is so good to this show, and the

(08:21):
Bach Threat and Bachelor have been around for so long
that for the first time ever, we're gonna show up
to your hometown to hopefully give you a tape of
what it's like to be on The Bachelor. So we're
gonna give you a shot at finding love in your hometown.
And you know, obviously drama is gonna come with it. Actually,
I promise you did. Though it's gonna be awesome. I
was approached a couple of nights ago about Um. I

(08:44):
was at a Rob Thomas concert and these girls were like,
you guys need to go on tour. We want the
almost on this podcast to go on tour. Well, now
everybody can go and see Ben on tour sometime next year,
and you know, maybe I'll come and say hello, what
a couple of those stops, Ashley, you better come say
hello to a lot of those styles. Well, thank you,
thank you all right, Well, Ben, thanks for giving us
your time. I know you're super busy this week. Um,

(09:07):
you guys make sure to stay tuned for more information
about the Bachelor Live tour. And Ben, thanks for coming
on of course and talking about your passionate feelings towards Luke.
You're the best. Ashley, thanks for asking about the tour.
And also again, I just want to say I thought
this season was great. Um. I thought the characters are polarizing,
and I thought the topics we're really something to talk about.

(09:30):
And uh and hey, I hope once again, like we
kind of said weeks ago, actually and we can't forget
this ever in this podcast, I hope that the people
that come on the show um come out in a
better place than when they entered in. That's really the hope.
And so I hope that for Luke and the rest
of these these dudes who are moving on, and for
Hannah as well. Actually, you're the best. We'll talk to
you soon, all right, Thanks Ben, We'll see you next week.

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(14:19):
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(14:43):
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you know, um, guests on each other's podcasts. So we're

(15:05):
all here today to talk about Mentel All. We all
watched it here in our cabin and tahoe together. We
had a lot of commentary while watching it, and we're
going to try to remember all of that and tell
you guys about that. Now. Let's start off at the
top of the episode. Which I thought was the best
part was when Luke decided that even though he was

(15:27):
eliminated last week, that he was still going to join
the other guys at the Rose ceremony. He added himself
to the lineup, and it was the utmost ridiculous. I
actually found those fifteen minutes more interesting than last week's
big hand tal off. We was just really compelling because
we've never seen anything like that before. He literally just

(15:50):
walked into the Rose ceremony as if nothing happened, kind
of like George Castanza and Seinfeld. He got fired on
him Friday, came back Monday like nothing ever happened. That's
funny because the guys have no idea that Chris Harrison
didn't like tell him to go down the stairs like
they were expecting for him to be there, so they
didn't think twice. That was the best part because you're
watching it, they're like, oh my god, they have no
idea he's already been sent home. But it took me

(16:12):
a second to realize that. Really, yes, I thought it
was hilarious because actually, I I'm shocked at how calm
Hannah was when she saw him there. Like that first
moment where she saw him, it wasn't like, what the
beep are you doing here? I would have stopped dead
in my tracks. Yeah. Yeah, she kept the proposure really well.
I also was surprised at Luke approached her right away.

(16:35):
I guess it makes sense, but I kind of wanted
to see it drug out a little bit. Just him
standing there, just waiting to be handed around here. It
doesn't make sense, but for some reason I was just like,
just just wait a little longer until you walk up
to her, you know what I mean? I like it.
And then he did go up to her, Yeah he did.
He walked up to her, and the other guys are
looking and being of course she's going to try to
steal more time, not even knowing that he's actually eliminated.

(16:58):
And then it was fun to watch them put the
pieces together and be like, oh man, she sent him
home and he came back. This is how crazy he is.
We're gonna get back to like um calling him crazy.
I will say that the first twenty minutes of this
episode made Luke a little bit less Um. I couldn't

(17:19):
defend him anymore. I think last week, I even I
kept repeating that I couldn't call him a dick, no
matter how much I wanted to. I was like, I
think this guy is just so ignorant and over his
head that I don't even think that he's trying to
create malice. But he just doesn't know any better. Um.
But I think listening to him in the car on

(17:40):
the way to that Rose ceremony and him being like,
I know, without a shadow of a doubt that Hannah
is still in love with me, and like, truly believe
that there was a possibility for her to accept the
ring and he had it was nuts. And that's where
I was like, I cannot defend I can't give this

(18:00):
guy even the sliver of the benefit of the doubt anymore, because,
in in my opinion, that whole scene was completely narcissistic.
Tastia said she doesn't like calling him that word. I don't, well,
I feel like, I don't know, I just feel like
that allows everybody else to call him that, and I
just I don't like people names. I agree, I don't

(18:21):
like the term psychopath or crazy, parcissistic. I think he
was being sure, Yeah, I think when you um involve
a word like psychopath into the conversation when we're watching
you know, The Bachelorette, I think it gets to a degree,
like Tastia said, that is absurd. Yeah, I think that

(18:44):
psychopath is not a word that I want to use
with him. But I think, like for the fact that
he thought that he was so special and that he
couldn't even comprehend the idea that she thinks she'd be
better suited with another guy, made him see a little
bit self centered, beyond beyond the norm. He definitely came
off self centered, even in the last episode where she

(19:06):
was sending him home and he wouldn't even get up,
wouldn't even leave the chair. But if you think about it, there,
I've been like multiple times throughout the season that she
did send him home or could have sent him home,
and she continued to keep him there like she sent
him home and then he came back in her and

(19:27):
she keeps allowing this behavior. So it's like why he
was encouraging that he's been validated before, you know what
I means. So he's obviously coming from a place of
her validating him and his feelings to play Devil's advocate here.
This is my favorite thing to do. I agree that
none of us are clinical psychologists to be able to
go and say who is and who isn't a psychopath? Right, Yes,

(19:48):
but this dude is such an outlier to the most
extreme extent that we've seen in a long long time,
that level headed normal people can look at his actions
and be like, those are pretty psychopathic. Look at it
or psychopath? Yeah, I think it's a good idea. I
think so. And I also want to say, and I'm
trying to not say this in a mean way whatsoever,

(20:10):
but I also think Luke p is in way over
his head and has maybe not in a place in
his life right now where he's ready for a situation
like this, because I don't think that he has the
I don't want to call him unintelligent, but a lot
of his behavior, even at the mental he took such
long pauses because he couldn't think of what to say.

(20:32):
I don't think he couldn't think of it. I think
he needed to be careful with his wording because his
words have been used agains him. Isn't the entire season,
And yes, Dean, do not shake your head right now
his words you were used against again at the mental
because everything he just like everyone disregarded it, doesn't regret anything.
He thinks that even the hypocrisy which we all saw
with the virginity talk, because he's not a virgin. I understand,

(20:53):
I'm not you know, I understand the born again part
of it. But the hypocrisy to say that Hannah, who
admitted on the show last actually had sex with two
people before this, to use that against her, uh, and
then say that he didn't think it was wrong and
he wasn't being hypocritical. I thought, let me present an
idea to the table place I think I just got.

(21:13):
I think I just dialed it in. Exactly what's wrong here?
Luke p said God came to him in the shower,
and if he didn't say that, we would have taken
his beliefs a little bit more seriously. Here's here's what
I think is going on. I think he is a
new Christian and he's still trying to understand a lot
about Christianity and how he fits into Christianity. And because

(21:34):
of that, he doesn't fully understand it. He doesn't fully
understand how he fits into it, and so he's like
fumbling right in front of our eyes, and we're watching
him try and figure out exactly what he should be
doing and saying because of the of his faith, and
it's just gonna take him a little bit of time
to really see how those two things fit together. Wait,
a second game, that was so brilliant, But don't you

(21:55):
feel bad about Okay? So doesn't that make you feel
bad for him? Absolutely? Absolutely, He's trying to put he's
trying to put circle into a square. He's trying to
do the best he can, but he keeps failing, right,
And I think that just comes from a lack of
time in this environment, in his faith in Christianity, and
a lack of maybe intelligence. He's not being he's not
being fully himself because he's trying to fit the script

(22:17):
that he's set forth for himself, which is the religious
path that he's taking. So maybe his lack of intelligence
is within the Christian faith and maybe you're right, he
just doesn't know but where he fits into it, starting
to figure out his own definition of his Christianity, because
I think a lot of people like I think what
we've been seeing from him is just like he believes
word by word of the Bible, which makes him judge

(22:38):
Hannah for what she's doing. Yeah, he doesn't like look
at any sort of like modern it's sort of loose
interpretation that many people do today. And I think that
that's why a lot of people are like, you can't,
you can't do what you're doing well. And here's the
thing making religion look bad. Here's here's the thing too.
That kind of made me think of this was when
I look back to my time, does that make me

(22:59):
a necessary to look ba um? When I look back
to my time after the Bachelorette and probably after Paradise
as well, I was trying. I kind of had this
idea that I was someone that I wasn't because of
like the way that you get edited and then you
want to buy into that edit a little bit. And
so there were times where I was like digging into
my own brain trying to figure out exactly the things

(23:22):
to say. And I think that's why he was pausing
for so long, was because he still hasn't really figured
that out exactly who he is yet. But he's trying
to live by it, Like you said, the Bible almost verbatim,
and he just doesn't maybe fully understand what that means
for him yet, but I also think you took accountability
for that, and I think Luke's lack of accountability makes
me frustrated. I totally agree with you, Tasha, where I
do feel bad to him, especially this episode and how

(23:44):
he was bullied by the rest of the guys. We
all talked about at this table, how ridiculous we thought
and over the top the guys were towards him, and
then specifically Hannah at at Hannah at the end where
I didn't mind Hannah's entire um Hot Sea interview, Really
it was a little over the top, but that's forgiven.
I really hated the last part where she said, um,
where she said, is everybody tell her to talk about

(24:05):
Luke p? Does everybody wants to move on to Luke Pe?
And he also apologize for bringing him so far? And
I don't think she needs to apologize. Literally ten minutes earlier,
she was saying how she just needed to figure out
that on her own, So why is she apologizing ten
minutes later that she Oh, I'm sorry I cut them
around so long. There's no need to apologize. And I
just really hated when she said, is everybody tired of

(24:26):
talking about Luke p? And she said about four or
five times while the only person talking about luke P
in that moment was was her. And I think it
sucks because Hannah kind of knows what it feels like
to be on the end of like getting hate and
bullied by people, you know what I mean, And so
for her to actually, I don't know, everyone listens to
the Bachelorette and throw his name out there and be like,

(24:47):
are you tired of that? I'm so sorry for dragging
him along as long as we did. The end of
like luke p segment is over, Like she should know
better not do. Um Let's mention that he did leave
that taping early because he had to make a wedding
the next day, and they intentionally made it look like
he just couldn't handle it anymore, but he had a
flight to catch I do agree with Sorry. Off topic

(25:09):
of that, but Jared said earlier how he was frustrated
that he refused to take accountability, and that was really
frustrating too. It's like one thing to make a lot
of mistakes publicly on television, and then it's a whole
other thing to kind of sit there and be like, yeah,
I did that. I don't regret any of it. I'm
not upset about any of it. Deal with it kind
of thing. All right, let's go back to the first

(25:29):
twenty minutes of the episode, where I thought he had
the most ridiculous behavior he's had all season, I think
last even though he denied that his tone was judgmental
and condescending last week, at least we can say last
week he was speaking from what, like what he thought
was a faith point of view. This week when he

(25:49):
forced himself back to the Rose ceremony and then he
was like, I'm not leaving until I get conclusion and
clarity or like, what was it closure that's in sane.
He was like, you haven't gotten I haven't gotten closure.
I haven't got closure. Nobody in this franchise gets closure
until the tell all or after time passes. It just

(26:13):
takes time to get your closure. Yeah, And I again,
he was just being very self absorbed the entire time
because everything, as hand To pointed out, was about him.
He was speaking from his heart. His heart was on
the line. Uh, he needed closure. Has that ever happened
before where someone doesn't get the rose and there's like
I'm just gonna stay and I'm just gonna try and
convince her to talk to me more, convince her to

(26:35):
love me right, let her. She's let him come back again,
but so why not do it to try it again?
This all could have been This all could have been
avoided if she didn't get that fourth rose right before Hometown.
Yeah she did. Was it was it? She was like
a sexual thing. No, I don't think she ever planned
on having sex with him. I'll be honest. I didn't

(26:56):
watch I didn't watch the Fantasy Sweet episode, but I
watched the home Town episode, so I missed out on
that a little bit. But it's just still it was
mind blowing. It was mind blowing, but an epic move.
My my favorite moves of Hannah's so far was when
she moved the podium with the It was like a
symbolistic movement to show she's moving on. You are not

(27:18):
part of this. I was a little disappointed in Tyler,
Pete and Jed for not like being like dude, like
they were like, do just get out of here? But
like some I feel like there could have been like
another step to be taken. I don't know it's actually
appropriate for them to stand back and let Harrison and
probably Polly Big Polly security. I saw him scooting the backs,

(27:39):
definitely about to get involved. It's a tricky thing, right,
Like you're like, how involved do I am I allowed
to get right now? Like how you don't want to
be the guy starting any type of physical Well, if
it escalated, what would you have done? Because Luke was
literally saying I'm not leaving, So the only way to
get him out would have been to drag him out
unless Hannah was able to handle the situation. I just
think that that's that. Uh, that scene went on longer

(28:02):
than it needed. It was great television. I loved watching it,
but it went on longer than it should have. I
think I think someone they could have chopped three minutes out. Yeah,
But then I don't know, I I kind of it
did almost feel like this was a situation between Hannah
and Luke, and I feel that if one or the
other three guys really stepped here was like I'm going

(28:24):
to handle this. I don't know. I felt like maybe
I would have rolled him eyes a little bit, like
let them just handle it and get this, like, let
the show handle it, let hand to handle it. I
guess the frustrating thing about it is it's it was
already handled and so it's like, yeah, like that's kind
of where it is. But at the same time, it's
not like Luke ran into the road ceremony and like
was running away from security and they couldn't catch him,

(28:44):
Like they let him back. He was in the car,
but they let him back on the show. Let me
ask you, do you who do you think came up
with the idea? Do you think it was Luke or
do you think it was a production the combination. I'm
sure I think it's a commodation. But the fact again,
I think Luke lack self awareness because at that moment,
even if they were like, hey, do you want to
go back on, you should have been like, no, it's
that and if you really cared for her, if you

(29:05):
cared for and also just kind of could read the situation.
You can't read situation. Let me ask you this, Jared.
If if one of Ashley's exes came up one day
and I was like, Ashley, I miss you. I wanted
like let's talk about this, let's figure this out. What
would you like? What would you react? Different? Different? Absolutely,
I know, but like you would be like but if
it was like you'd be like, dude, get the hell

(29:26):
like you would almost physically remove him from them. Yes,
but you also have to be understanding of the situation
you're in. You're on the Bachelor where there are other
guys that she is dating, and you are one of
those guys. You are not the guy, and as frustrating
and hard as that can be, sometimes you kind of
have to be aware of your surroundings. So you have
less rights to act like a boyfriend because you're not

(29:47):
technically a boyfriend yet. So if you guys were in
the lineup with Tyler, Ce and Chad and Pete, you
would have said something, Dean. I mean, I say I
would have said something, but honestly, I probably done the
exact same thing that they did. I as soon as
this such situation started escalating, you walk up and you're like, hey,
let's all calm down, and then like let them hash
it out. Because but how cool would it be if

(30:08):
you just handled Well, you could tell, you know, it's
really cool, you just want to fight, to be honest, Well,
you could tell that the with the way the camera
was set up, they wanted it to be a Tyler
versus Luke p show because they had that awesome shot
of excuse me, Luke's left with Tyler over his on
his side, and they kept bringing Tyler in in focus
and out of focus, and you could tell it is

(30:30):
like such like the hero versus the villain shot. But
I loved that because it actually looked like Tyler was
annoyed on behalf of Hannah, like he truly cared and
wanted to protect and be manly with Hannah. Of course,
have you ever seen do we talk about this year
or did I just talk about this earlier? Do you
ever see final three contestants be such good friends? It's

(30:52):
been a while. I think I like it. Yeah, I
think that they're all bonding over their disdain for Luke,
I would assume, but it's like they all seem like
they're literally best friends. Do you like that? Yeah? I do.
My season was Becca, Whitney and Caitlin and they were
all really tight. Yeah. On ours, it was Kaylin, me
who else, Cassidy in energy. These are friends, but they

(31:15):
seem like they're legitimate, like they're rooting for each other.
Even Jed made a comment where he was like, I
want I'm glad that it's down to three that I'm
that Hannah should end up with it, Like he even
said that it sounded like he would be happy if
even she ended up with one of his two friends, right.
But there's something that's always stuck in the back of
my mind that actually Nick said, because obviously Nick wasn't

(31:36):
really that like within his friend group at the time
on both seasons of his bachelorette and he always kind
of it was I don't want to put words in
his mouth, but it was something along the lines of,
you know, I like these guys, but I'm not here
for them, And so that's always kind of stuck out
to me. Where guys, if they're really close, it's like, well, yeah, guys,
you want to be friends, of course, but now do

(31:56):
you like you should you should be rooting for anybody
else at this point. You should not be like, oh,
well if Jed wins, great, Oh if Tyler wins, that's
fine too. It's like, no, it's nice, I love this
girl in my heart like I want this girl. So
sometimes when they're too chilly, it makes me a little
of a question. Then how about like that Wilson Phillips
song where they're like, I'm just happy that you found

(32:16):
your person. Like you know how people say that like
true love means that you just want that person to
be happy even if they're not with that person. I
don't personally believe this I could because I couldn't do it,
Like I know myself, I'm not that good of a person.
That's like a nice song to write, but in real
life that's a hard Deans nodding, though, what do you
think you really could? Like you'd be happier if your

(32:37):
love moved on and was with somebody that that's like
the origin of a lot of colloquialisms right where it's
like if you love a flower, don't pick it because
then it dies sort of thing where it's like by
doing that, you're kind of taking away It's you're like
you're like cutting it off. It's at its head, right,
So like if the flower is Hannah, then you want
that flower to bloom and blossom as much as it
possibly can. And if you're the one picking it, then

(32:58):
it's not going to like necessarily get there. As like,
but do you understand what I'm saying In a sense
where it's like if you really truly love it someone
and you're purely selfless, that not many people are, if
any at all, Like you have to like work to
achieve enlightenment to be there. But like I think at
the root of the at the root of what love
really could be, I think that that there is an

(33:20):
argument to be made for that. I agree there's two sides.
There's two sides. One is the normal human side, which
is you shouldn't want her to end up with anybody
at this point. If you are some crazy Buddha, then sure.
There's the other side, which Jed is reflecting, and Jed,
we all know, is no Buddha. Well, anytime Jed speaks
on the show anymore, my eyes immediately rolled to the

(33:41):
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through the lens that we have now, where it's like
you kind of know how what's going to happen. But
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(36:13):
like a royal Alright, let's get back to the show. Jared.
During the show, you said that it's a totally legitimate question,
totally fair question to ask the girl, the lead, the bachelorette,

(36:37):
if she's had sex with any of the other guys,
can you please explain your feelings? I mean, whether it's
the bachelor who's being questioned by a bachelorette contestant, or
a bachelorette being questioned by a bachelor contestant. I mean,
if you're going into a fantasy suite literally the day
or two days after she just went into a fancy

(36:59):
suite as someone else. I don't think it's really outside
the lines to ask, hey, did anything happen? Or I
mean right, I mean, let's let'sen let's put this back
into real life for a second. Say you knew someone
you were going into an overnight date with had just
been in an overnight date with another person two days prior.
You wouldn't want to know what you're getting yourself into,

(37:21):
like just in case things you know open and why
doesn't anybody ask? Or do you think that they asked
beyond the closed doors of the fantasy suit. Yes, let's
flip flop it real quick too. I think is it
I think it almost looks less bad for a girl
to ask a bachelor that question. Yeah, it's definitely the
double standard, but yes, I just wanted to point that out. Yeah,

(37:42):
it definitely is. Um Okay, I think Luke was in
every I mean the way he phrased it and the
whole thing about I'm going to leave if you did
have something all the work. We're not talking about the
Luke specific situation, because Luke had plenty of connotations and
judgment around the way you said it. But in general,
we've never really seen a bachelor bachelorette be questioned about

(38:03):
the other fantasy suites. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
it's really that crazy. You don't have to keep it
private just because you're about to go into an overnight
date with this person, or maybe it has been asked
and we just haven't seen it be here before. I
think the smart move is to ask in the fantasy suite,
and that's why we haven't seen it. I think that's
what Jared is trying to say, right. So, it's like,
I'm sure that conversation has been had three percent of

(38:24):
the time every single time. I guess it of us
have been well you maybe I don't know if you
have the cults or not. You maybe speak about this,
did you it was required? It was obviously the first
one because he was also a virgin, so how to
worry about that? But also I was the first person
to go into the fantasy suite, so maybe if I
was the second or the third, I would have asked that,
did you know that you were the first person? Because

(38:44):
I'm not sure that at that point you you really
sure where the order of the dates are. I mean,
I guess in my head I kind of figured it out,
but I think with colton's a little different because you
kind of it's a foregone conclusion he's not going to
But I will say that I did think about, like
if I would have sex with them. First, I wouldn't
want to have sex with him second, you know what
I mean. And it's also you're you know, you're falling

(39:06):
in love with this person, and so I don't think
it's Listen, you can't be like, please, don't have sex
with anybody. That's their choice. But if you're if you are,
just if you're the second person on a fantacy sweet night,
I don't think it's really crazy to be like, hey, listen,
did you sleep with that person? Because if things escalate
with us tonight. You know, it's just even asked questions
about like I don't know. I know everybody's tested before

(39:28):
the show, but then you get into like some kind
of muddy details that you really just want to know
as a human being. Okay, I love you. I don't
think you would have asked Caitlin and well that's who.
Of course I would have. You really would have asked
Caitlin if somebody before well, god, that was four years

(39:48):
I think that back then you wouldn't have. I think
that Jared today definitely would have asked. But I think
then you were like I mean, it was also twenty
six and I look back on that time and I
thought I was young then, and I do sometimes I
look back and I think I was too young to
be on the show. You're so we're both be on. Yeah,
I think, you know, becoming the person I am now. Yeah,
I don't know if I would have been ready today
you would say something. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

(40:10):
I'm not like, I don't not think. I don't think
it's outrageous to ask. But I think that when you
were younger, I don't think you would have. I think
you would be thought that, like you worship heir and
you couldn't get you couldn't ruffle her any fathers with that?
Moving on? Wait, no, you know what I mean, Like
you definitely looked at her like she was the bachelorette. Yes,
we all do, right, I looked at Rachel the same
way you looked at Colton the same way the deans like,

(40:32):
I'm not sure, but anyway, point is like you look
at them and you're like, wow, you know that's the
person I'm striving to be with. So there's already you know,
a celebrity thing saw on TV. Yeah, that's weird that.
Were you not affected by that at all? Did you
not view at least called me first met him as
sometimes celebrity did. Yeah, the same thing with me. I

(40:54):
was really nervous around him. I thought he was just
I don't know. Yeah, you're like, oh my god, this
guy's on TV. I'm a nobody. I think the conclusion
is that it's okay to ask, But just the way
he handled himself afterwards maybe wasn't the best. Of course. No,
it was just when it was brought up tonight where
I forget how it was put. But somebody pretty much
said like kind of felt like out of bounds to ask.

(41:15):
I was like, I disagree anyway. Can we talk about
bullying for a second, because I know we're all talking
about that. I don't know if anybody wants to step
in on that, but my first reaction, Uh, listen, these
guys and the girls put themselves on the show. We
are open to scrutiny. We're open to judgment. But if
you're in that mentell audience, you're open to scrutiny as well,

(41:36):
because you're the one signing that you're gonna be on
the show. And the fact that they're clapping and just
and cringing at Luke p laughing at him, that I
hated it was bullying, Like you need to be held
accountable too, Like, don't laugh at him. That's still human
being up there. They definitely are making making it feel
like he's like a character in a movie. That you

(41:56):
can hate a character, don't you can't hate it, like, well,
try not to a person. There was So there's this
experiment a long time ago. I don't remember the name
of it right every time I can't remember. I think
it was monkeys or something. That experiment experimenting on, they
would make a sound like some sound like a bell.
Every time they ring the bell, they would give the
monkey a mint or something right, and then so eventually
they would ring the bell and there would be no mint,

(42:18):
and the monkey would freak out. Essentially, what's happening is
these people, the contestants specifically talk about Luke, and they
get basically lifted up for it. Everyone's like, that's awesome,
talk about Luke. Yes, and so then everyone else is like,
I'm going to talk to it about Luke because everyone
loves it when people talk to it about Luke. Because
I didn't know they're going to get it. Was like
that guy who went up to them, what was his

(42:40):
name even I don't even know what his name was. No,
I don't think it was Devon Dustin dust No, it
wasn't Dustin. It was Devon. I like Dustin. I think
we've all liked Dustin. It was like, who was this
guy from backstage? Too? Yeah? And he's like, I'm so poorn.
My my opinion is so valuable right now I need

(43:03):
to come up and express it. Did he go down?
He went home really early on the thing? Anything? He
doesn't know anything, Yeah, but I just like audience and
audience at home know that you are. Do you think
that you're all innocent in this, but you're not participating
in bullying? To be honest with you, it's just like

(43:23):
writing a mean comment on somebody's photo. Yeah, you know
what I mean, and everyone liking it. It's the same.
It's the same damn thing. Yeah, it's frustrating. No one's
free of reproach, right, And so it's like if you're
giving ship about someone even though you have a lot
of ship going on as well, it's like the people
that are bullying are really the ones that are dealing
with a lot of their own stuff too, And doesn't

(43:44):
make it right, No, not at all, that's what I'm saying.
But it's just like it's like, make sure your house
is clean before you go and criticize other people's dirty
house this kind of thing. You know what exactly? The
thing is their house will never be clean because my
house isn't clean, Your house isn't clean. Nobody's is right.
And so like the things that we say reactionary, we're
watching the show, it's keep it in the context of
your own living room wherever you watch the show. Why

(44:06):
do people feel a necessity to say I'm so emotional
and emotionally attached to this show that I'm gonna go
on social media and type out exactly my thoughts and
put a comment under somebody. It's like, just just say it,
and the confines your your own home, because we all
say things that are exaggerated or dramatic and just keep
it at that. It just mind. One of the bullying

(44:31):
tactics from the guys was to use that word psychopath,
and I wanted to bring that back to this um
the definition of psychopath and Babe, a picture of Anakin
Skywalker goes along with this. It's it's uh traditionally a
personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse,

(44:54):
and bold, disinhibited and egotistical traits. It's sometimes considered phenomena
us with sociopathy. And I were going to say that
that's not Luke. I mean, I mean to say that
he's definitely um he I think I don't know, impaired empathy.
I feel like he may have empathy. What's impaired? I
guess the fact I put a question mark, it's just

(45:18):
an antisocial behavior. He certainly doesn't get along with the
other guys. I also think he was isolated. He was isolated.
I mean he got you know, he was going to
like push himself further and further from them because he
tried with them, but they would not let them in.
He would couldn't let him in try after that. So
I feel like I was at these stupid stories. So

(45:38):
I read a book a while ago. I read a
book a while ago. I read I read every once
in a while. It's a book called The Psychopath Test
by Ron Bronson. If you haven't read it, check it out.
It's a fantastic book. Why did you have to read it?
I just thought on the bookshelf and I was curious.
So in the book, he lists off. He goes, there,
these are twenty two things that attribute to being a psychopath.

(46:00):
It's basically a checklist. You go down the list, and
if you hit thirteen of them, you're considered a psychopath.
You go through all of them, every single one you
go through, you're like, oh crap, Like I kind of
fit in that. Oh crap, that's kind of me. And
at the very end, he goes and by the way,
if you're asking yourself if you might be a psychopath.
You're not a psychopath, because psychopaths don't do that. Luke

(46:21):
p didn't really seem to express much remorse at the
mental law, and I think that if he were to
go through that twenty to check checklist, he might not
have ever asked himself that question. I mean, who knows.
But then again, you might be right with your theory earlier,
where he's just kind of this lost guy trying to
figure out who he is and where he fits within
this Christian faith, and he's he's you know what he is.

(46:43):
He's kind of like the guy who reads a political
headline and then immediately just regurgitates everything he just read
in a three paragraph article and he's like, no, no, no,
I'm right because I this and that and that, And
you're like, you just read that on Twitter and you're
using bulleton points to bulleton points to try to defend yourself.
And so that was a little frustrating to watch because

(47:03):
I was really hoping Luke would come on, and you
always want everybody wants a redemption story, right, So I
think I think we're all rooting for Luke Pe to
come on and be like, hey, I screwed up. You know,
I made a mess of things, and he did that
to an extent, But then he kept doubling down on
everything he said during the show, and it's like, but
then again, like we talked about, I think the guys
piled on Hannah piled on towards the end um, and

(47:25):
I think we've all been you know, we all a
lot of Hannah um. But I just didn't like that
one moment. I think the funniest part is that he
continues to be like, I was misunderstood when I said, um,
if you had sex with anybody in the dantasy suits,
I would remove myself from this. He was like, I
was misunderstood. No, dude, you said that statement. How can

(47:47):
that be missen? How can that be interpreted any other way?
That's that Actually, I'm glad you brought that up, because
that frustrated me a lot too. He said he always
was blaming the other person for not understanding what he
said when he should just say I misspoke or maybe
I didn't like say the right thing. He never took
accountability for that, and that was really frustrating. Like I
said that I said the wrong thing, would not you misunderstood?

(48:08):
Because then that's kind of like alleviating himself of the blame.
Perfect point. Yes, such a perfect point. Does anybody have
anything else to say about Luke? Before we move on?
One thing that I just really again disliked. Connor seems
like a very nice guy. Hated how he decided out
of nowhere to tell Luke f you come man, Yeah
he didn't high school. I think that pulls back down

(48:31):
to getting positive attention for that, like he's just like,
I'm gonna get mine while the top kind of thing,
you know what I mean. It's like, but then then
that goes back to the audience just willy nilly flapping
anything bad said about Luke. P go, guys. It's like,
can we just all settle down and be adults for
two minutes or however long filming is. We don't see

(48:52):
Luke in the preview for Paradise, and um, Dean, we
don't see you either, talking about yeah you're you're not
the original You're not in the original castle. I got
scared for a second. So you guys are in Paradise.
We don't see Luke in Paradise in the preview, and

(49:14):
is there any opinions on why you think he's not there?
I think he probably I think he was probably advised
that it wouldn't help his case unless he was a
completely changed man, which is by the mental he's not.
He's maybe changing shave. But I feel like if you
would have apologized, would we all think that he's a
changed man? I feel like we would have just pulled

(49:35):
our eyes if he humbled himself, if you presented himself
and like and I'm sorry, like totally, it just nobody would. Well,
it depends on his It depends on everything, right, because
whenever somebody apologizes to you, I think all of us
as people can really tell whether it's genuine or not.
Um And so I think it was all how he

(49:56):
handled himself and presented himself and not saying he should
have just come and been like I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, but at least been you know, understanding of yeah,
I know, I get it. You know, I said some
bad things. I misspoken. Uh, you know, I regret some things,
and I was being hypocritical at times. And you know,
I don't think anybody else was perfect, but you know,
just something along the lines. But to titious point, I

(50:19):
will say that we've seen so many villains on one
season become love the next season. So I think it
would have been possible. All right, let's move on to
other things, but first let's take a break for our sponsors. Alright.

(50:41):
Other hot seats on this episode included John Paul Jones,
everybody's favorite guy, who got such little screen time. But
I think we'll play a big role in Paradise. Can
we confirm? I mean, he does look at the he's
all over the map. He's definitely. That's definitely why he
had a hot seat. It wasn't for anything that he
did on Hannessy's like the lead in Almost It's Shadow.

(51:03):
It seems like we're going to see different side him
because he's very emotional at the end, he was crying,
he got in someone's face. Yeah, I don't think we
saw any of that on his season. We saw that,
what's up, dude, sick? Let's get it. He was made
for Paradise. Oh yeah, absolutely? Who else had a hot seat? Mike?

(51:25):
Mike who? I think that they are like trying to
make the Bachelor, or at least trying to plant the
idea of him being the bachelor and some people's heads.
But I just I don't think it's going to happen.
I was kind of honest a couple of weeks ago
when I did meet Mike, albeit very briefly, I didn't
get the warmest vibes from him. He didn't come across

(51:45):
in person the way he did on DV. That's all
I'm going to say about that, because truly I had
I exchanged maybe two minutes of conversation with the guy.
How do you guys think Mike came off on at all?
I was really impressed by honestly on the mental law. Yeah,
he's are super articulate, he speaks well. Um. I didn't
like when he called out Luke P though, at the
same time, because he called him what a misogynist and

(52:07):
he said that his future wife is going to be
a prisoner of his hated and it's like, can we
just all like, does everybody have to just vocalize the
worst things that they think about Luke P? Like can
we just move past You're not dealing with him anymore? Yeah,
and just yeah, It's like if it didn't have set
to your life, did I are you like and see

(52:30):
if you ended up with her, it would still be
like it would be different because you're like, you really
hurt and you gave my fiance the worst time exactly,
but didn't know I really liked I can't remember exactly
what Dylan said, but it was it was a throwaway
line almost, but he it was a throwaway line because
he just said one thing and he said something like, hey,
Luke p, I'm rooting for you. Um, but like, you know,

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you just have a lot of work to do something
like that. And it was so simple, and it was like,
but that's all that needed said instead of Connor saying
f you and Mike being like your future is going
to be a prisoner and like, and then what's his
name going up to the hot seat, and then the
other guy I don't remember, who's Brent. I don't know
what his name is, Grant, Grant, thank you? Who's I

(53:14):
don't know what the hell he was doing, but he
was flammering all over the place. Um. And then I
actually liked Mateo. When Matteo went to Mateo for a
hot second, was like, hey, let's just let's all move on.
We didn't hear much from Garrett, who was quite a
heated character this season. It is pretty interesting, do we
know we haven't seen Garrett in any Paradise promodes Nope,

(53:36):
So maybe they just weren't teeing him up for anything. Yeah,
that's interesting though, because he was you know, usually it's
really dumb. But the further you are on the left
of the hot seat, the more prone you are on
that lower level like where Mike was sitting. You know,
usually those first like three or four like big characters. Um,

(53:57):
and you know, I'm assuming Garrett would be in Paradise
on a white wouldn't piece, So you know, yeah, it's
weird that he just because Yeah, it's weird. It's weird.
So yeah, who else did we see in Paradise at
should we should comment on? Demi? Definitely refers to her,
definitely refers to being in love with a woman her. Yeah,

(54:17):
be interesting to see how they handle that as the show.
I mean, it sounds like it might be the first
of its kind. There's some sort of fist fight that
looks like involves Jordan's I don't know who the other
party is, can see the face, but that looks pretty
intense Jordan's back. We know that the last time things
got physical in Paradise was with Chad and he got

(54:38):
immediately exit out of the process. He got drunk night
one and he took good No, he not Sara Harron.
He took a swing at Daniel. I think it was
more playful than anything Canadian Daniel. But it was like
an open, open hand swing. Wasn't like a fist. He
just like went like that. Try to like spot his

(54:59):
hand away. Um, but that was, you know, good enough
for him to get kicked off the show. Apparently so.
And then he had some issues with Sarah Hearn where
he called her some bad things he later apologized for. Yeah,
I apologize, but that's the whole reason I would never
be friends with him or have any interest in like
being nice to him, because he seems like a real jerk.
Who else is in Paradise? Uh? Yeah, I mean the

(55:22):
trailer look good. You guys look like you're gonna be
very involved. The mustache you crying, tatious, a little upset.
The mustache don't have as much of an appearance. I
think the mustache is gonna have plenty. It had its
own Um, I really didn't know. But why wasn't I
more of a central focus? And this is what myself, Tassia.
We saw you making out with Blake saw Hannah g

(55:45):
and Blake a lot. Everybody seemed to want to ship
them Going into this season. We saw Demi accusing Blake
of making his rounds, so to speak. I'm curious how
that's going to play out too. I can't wait for
y'all to see that. Oh interesting. Katie was very upset

(56:06):
about not being able to help who she fell in
love with. Oh, I can't help, I can't help, she said.
I don't remember her saying that. She did say that, Okay,
all right. Interesting. It's funny because, like, you know, we
kind of know, yeah, but like maybe it's Katie and Demi.
Oh interesting, I know she could be referring to somebody else.
You're like, hey, you know, super upset, I can't help

(56:28):
who I love. There's nothing wrong with that baby. Yeah, Okay, guys,
well I think they broke it down pretty well. I mean,
we didn't talk about many people beyond Luke Key, but
that honestly was the Luke p Show. Again. How did
we How did we think of Hannah? How do you
think she did? Sorry, Kaa, how do you think Handah
did on her mental? Um? I thought she looks stunning?

(56:49):
Number one? She looked? Um, I thought, I don't know,
to be quite honest with you, the end of it
kind of rebbed me the wrong way. I just really
didn't think she needed nailed to luke p anymore. Yeah,
I thought she was great until that one last line.
But that touch she handles herself well. I really liked
how she was talking about baggage and she started pointing
around at all the guys and she was like, I've

(57:11):
something like I've got baggage, You've got baggage, You've got baggage.
We all got bagged. What was it? Oh, we all
live in sin you said every day? Do. I love
the way she handled herself during the first twenty minutes.
It was just like, um, you know, sequel to last
week's episode, I thought was pretty allen, So I agree,

(57:31):
And you said something last week, um to me. I
think off the podcast and it's funny how everybody before
the season thought that Hannah was not going to be
able to articulate herself. That was the big concern coming in.
And I think we can all agree that she's the
most the most expressive and communicative and like smart whipped,

(57:52):
you know, like that quick witted, always has a comeback woman.
You compare that to remember first one with Colton in
the hot That's amazing. She's growing up right in front
of our eyes. It's almost like it's not even the
same person. I was gonna make you comments before we
jumped into the Hannah b thing. Do you think we're
kind of being hypocritical of we give Hannah b crap
for always talking about Luke P and then here we

(58:12):
are talking about Luke P. Of course we are. But
the reason we're talking about it is because Hannah talked
about it's a slippery slope, the very slippery self. And honestly,
I wasn't bothered about Hannah's um discussion with Luke P
until that last second where it was just again catering
to the audience. It was like, I'm tired of talking
Luke P. And she looked at Chris Harrison was like,

(58:33):
are you tired? And then she look at the guy,
and then she looked at the audiences like is everybody tired?
Like she was Oprah giving stuff away, like and you
get a Luke and everybody gets yeah. It's like, oh God,
can we the poor guy? Like move on? Do you
think this is the last we ever see of Luke P?
Quite possibly? Yeah, I think so, I think it might be.

(58:56):
Do you think he dug his grave and now he's
gonna lie in and just be dead. He should just
go high. There's a couple of people in the sertise
that like, just go hide. Kelsey Poe, the villain on
my season, she moved to France. You're kidding. Yeah, she
moved to France, like right after the show. And I
remember even in between the filming and Women Tell All,

(59:16):
she had already gone and gotten a boyfriend in Paris.
So like sometimes like it forces you to really as sad.
That is sad, but you feel like you have to
run and move because people are like I think she
loved She just loved France. She felt more shooted there
and and anybody who's writing bad things on social media
needs to just get a life and move on. But everything,

(59:41):
like as soon as the show ends. Every while we
were watching, I was like, the kind of Kelsey post situation,
Like maybe he's just moved to the country. Instagram. She
definitely deleted Instagram. Why would he have Instagram? Keep Instagram?
Don't make other people delete your Instagram. Like, listen, Luke
p has some issues and he needs to do some
soul searching. But at the same time the idea that

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where anybody to tell somebody else to delete their Instagram
because of trolls. I don't want to be that person
to be like, no, just to stay away because the
internet is going to be too harsh for you, Like no,
screw those people, You're fine. I mean, you know, with
having an Instagram that makes sense. I don't want to
I don't want the trolls to win and otate because

(01:00:25):
if we tell Lupete to delete his Instagram, those trolls
who are saying terrible things win. It's true, and you
guys would be shocked at the amount of kind comments
he has on his Instagram. I started it out last week. Yeah,
I meant to bring that up. I wonder, um, if
that's kind of why he feels vindicated and the things
that he doesn't says is because he's still is surrounded
by positivity sometimes and I think that I'm religiously an

(01:00:46):
apt I don't know much, but I think if that
I wonder if that stems from the radical side of Christianity,
where they're like, I see what he's doing and it's
the path of God. And because of that, I want
to build him up. Definitely saw comments about that on
this Instagram last week. That's kind of what I'm wondering.
I can see Luke Pie coming back in like two
to three years. You know what if he does come
back and he's like, uh, he's he's kind of a

(01:01:07):
new man so to speak, wants to, you know, give
it another go of. So he goes to Paradise, you know,
and by that time people have kind of forgotten and
be like, oh, yeah, he was kind of a little
weird on his season. The thing that kind of stinks
for him now and for any villain coming off the
season that decides not to go almost immediately into Paradise,
is now he's going to be tied to the shitty
behavior he's had forever exactly. No one's gonna have any

(01:01:30):
other um exposure to him, our idea of him. So
it's like, that's just now who he is publicly. Privately
maybe entirely different, but publicly that's who he is. That's
really sad. Last question for you guys, how do you
foresee next week unfolding? I'm excited is getting eliminated? Who's
getting eliminated? Well, so next week is what is is

(01:01:52):
next week saw the final two part, so I think
it's just, you know, eliminate one of the guys go
into those two dates. Then it will be the tell
all will be the you know, finale, finale, after the
Final Rose, after the final is next week the final week.
And it's like, I think the biggest question here is

(01:02:14):
with just three left, one of them being Jed, if
she does end up with Jed, the tell all is
not tell all? What was it called? After the Final
Rose is going to be such a so captivating, like
that's our ultimate cliffhanger. Well, everything, you know, everything I
see that comes out of Jed's mouth right now, I
just immediately scrutinized and probably look way into because like

(01:02:38):
in the back of my mind, I'm like, you have
a girlfriend. You have a girlfriend back home. We've talked
plenty about it. Yeah, well cases articles written written about it.
You're right, Oh, there was this. There was a part
in the episode that we just watched where the audience
applauded for Jed, and I don't think that they actually
did applaud for Jed. I think they took a clip
of them applauding elsewhere and put it in there to

(01:02:59):
Jed's Yeah, why would you Because here's the thing, and
I've said it before. Jed has not said anything. He
has not come out and tried to defend himself. And
if he's getting advice to not say anything, I don't
think it's good advice because now, in my head, the
story is two months old. I believe the story now
because I haven't heard anything else. I creeped on his
Instagram the other day and it says something along the

(01:03:19):
lines of just protecting his family, protecting my family. I
can't speak on it now, but I will when I can.
I'm probably telling you he could not do it, Jared.
They were for not being able to send him after
the Final Rose and regardless of whether or not he's
with Hannah, Yeah, he's gonna be on that reunion show. Yeah,
he's gonna be. He's on to Find a Rose because

(01:03:39):
it's mental all. Next week's final and there's three guys, Young, Peter, Tyler,
and Jed say he comes on. He says it's not true. Well,
I mean, are you going to believe him? I don't know.
I mean I need like proof, like now, like from
people legit receipts. Yeah, I have facts to brack it
up because at this point we're all kind of believing
what's been out what's out there exactly Like he said,
either way, I'm glued to my seat. That's what I'm saying.

(01:04:02):
It's super interesting us better drama. Um yeah, should be interesting.
But who do we think she's going to end up with? Tyler? See,
I'm the biggest Tyler c stand in the world. I
am too. I love how he's proven me wrong because
at the beginning of the season, I was like, I
can't trust him, and now I'm like, I give him
all of my trust. I like, I like, what do

(01:04:24):
you think of Pete with the beard? I like, guys,
I don't like it at all. It's so innocent in
baby face. He should just embrace it. I liked it.
I like Luke Pete with the beard. I like Pete
without a beard. Oh I think I like Luke without
the beard. Pete was unpredictable, Like he's going to fly
me to an article and maybe leave me. Maybe maybe
he'll take me back home. I don't know, but maybe
he'll marry You want to I want to roll the

(01:04:45):
dice with that kind of Pete. You know what I mean? Oh?
Do you think Pete should um talk about the article
that came about. I don't think it's worth mentioning he
broke up with her. Whether or not he broke up
with her to go on this show or not, it
doesn't really matter to me. All that matters is that
he did do the right thing by breaking up with her. Well,
I think the timing also needs to be addressed, because

(01:05:08):
the guy, because the guy got liminated night one, broke
up with his girlfriend too, technically, but he just did
it the day before day before he left. You know,
he broke up with her December December. Yeah, that's three
months before filming starts. Yeah, so that's totally fine. I
agree he started to be um, you know, probably started
casting though, like really started casting. Somebody asked last week,

(01:05:31):
they're like nominated, What does nominated mean? That was one
of the emails that we've gotten. I don't think we
answered it clearly. Being nominated means like your friend or
your family members signed you up for the show, and
you didn't go and apply for yourself nominated And for
my timeline, just for a reference, I was I first
talked to a producer of February twelve, and then I

(01:05:52):
was on the show March fourteenth, ast of different timelines
for everyone. I was from my sending in the application
in to me being on the show was thirteen months.
It's very different parents was I only even know how
long was yours? I got a call in October six months,

(01:06:12):
five months about Tasia. How long was your process? Um?
I got a phone call, but I actually said I
wasn't interested, and I changed my mind about like three
weeks before yourself or no, I was actually nominated, So
three weeks. I would consider the three week timeline because
did you go through all the medical and all that
kind of stuff before and then you said no? Did

(01:06:33):
you say? I said no? From the second I got
the phone call, I said thank you. And then so
once you said yes, I'll do it. Within those three weeks,
you did everything you need to do and then you
left her filming. Correct. Yeah, see the same thing four
weeks for me, It's possible. I'm not saying that Peter
is right. I'm just saying that thirteen months, not six months,
four weeks, three weeks, or it's all over the place.
The only thing I would hold against Peter a little

(01:06:53):
bit is when we all get the phone call At first,
we're all asked, are you single? So if he was,
if you'd get the phone call in January, then who
cares that? But if he did get the phone call
before he broke up with a girl and he was like,
oh no, I'm still saying going cool, then that's I mean,
it's a minischool thing because obviously I'm hoping he didn't
dump the person who's meant to be with I Also,

(01:07:14):
I mean like I'm keeping him credit too by saying
like you probably hopefully wouldn't be dumping your soul mate,
Like if you were that in love and pictured her
being your wife, you'd be like, no, screw the show.
I don't need that, right. I don't think it's a
fun experience, But I don't think it's that cool of
an opportunity to be like I'm going to dump my girlfriend,
going to dump someone in your love with Totally. I

(01:07:34):
just think that it's a cool Like I said, it's
a cool experience, but it's not like the coolest thing.
I'm going to go to the furthest extreme to make
this happen, because you could go home night one, yeah,
and then it's like, all right, well that was fun
and life moves on, you know where other people. We're
all sitting here doing a freaking podcast. You know, we're
very lucky and blessed hashtag blessed. All right, guys, thank

(01:07:58):
you so much for joining me, and thanks for Ben
for his little pop in there. Um. We will see
you guys next week. Next week is a huge week,
the finale. It's our bread and butter and we can't
wait to talk to you guys then. Until then, I've
been Ashley, I've been Jared, I've been I've been Tyler C.

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When I've been Dean, I wish I was Tyler C.
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