In Depth: Jed Wyatt

Jed Wyatt lets his guard down and opens up to Ben and Ashley with every detail about his Bachelorette journey. He answers the difficult questions you’ve been expecting him to be transparent about. We are able to understand the full story that we only got bits and pieces of prior to this In Depth Interview. Also, Ben and Ashley bring you the latest breaking news about Tyler and Hannah’s night together.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's another special episode of Almost Famous podcast. I know
this interview is going to be compelling for a lot
of people. Um, it's not very often a season ends
in the ways ways that Hannah did. But on this podcast,
yes we have a great time, and yes we break
down a reality television show that some of us get

(00:22):
super invested into. But none of this podcast makes sense
unless we try to cover the show and we try
to talk about all aspects of the show, not just
a good not just the love stories, and not just
the drama that exists during the season, but also how
it affects people's lives. Jed Wyatt has been a key

(00:42):
character on this season. Obviously, he ended the season engaged
to Hannah, and as we saw recently, that has now ended.
We want to talk to Jet. We want to hear
his side of the story. For months, we've questioned, what
in the world is happening and how is this whole
thing going to end? And I'm done assuming Ashley is done.

(01:02):
Assuming I just don't think that's the way you live life.
I don't think we live life assuming how things happen.
We have to hear it from the source, and that's
why we're doing this podcast. Listen if you want, Criticize
us if you want, But at the end of the day,
we care about, or we try to at least every
person that comes on this show. We don't want to
see this show make anybody's life worse. So that's where

(01:26):
it happened, Jet On. It's a compelling conversation. It's one
um that I promise is worth the listen, and at
the end of it, I hope you can at least
walk away with a better understanding of how things played out.
Agree with Jet or not like how it played out
or not. I'm not asking that. That's up to you
to decide, but at least listen. And we're so pumped

(01:47):
that Jet has been willing to come into studio and
meet with Ashley and I. We've heard Hannah side of
the story, and honestly, we feel for Hannah, but we
haven't heard Jed side, and it's important that we hear
both sides. I mean, they ended this thing together, and
how are we gonna leave a contestant just kind of

(02:08):
out there on an island all along? We haven't done
it yet, we don't want to do it this season,
so it's now time to hear Jed story. This is
in depth with Jed. Why this is Ben and Ashley
I almost famous in depth Jed once again, man, thank you,
uh for coming into studio. I know this is not
the best of circumstances. Yeah, thank you, Thank you guys

(02:31):
for having me. It's uh, I mean, let's just start this. Uh.
We kind of talked earlier, but I want to let
you know. Uh. You know, the fans have heard a
bunch of different stories, and there's been a bunch of
press around this, and and then the weird part. For
the first time in a long time, I can remember,
this just came out months ago, and so you've kind
of been living in this season of questioning and doubt

(02:51):
and your story hasn't been able to get out there.
I really don't know what your side of the story is,
and that's why this is kind of exciting for me.
But we've made a lot of assumptions, and also on
this podcast, we've made a lot of assumptions about what's happening.
Let's start by how are you doing? What is it
like living in kind of months and months of it
feels like cloudiness. Yeah, you know, it's been it's been

(03:15):
hard and uh, There's been a lot that I wanted
to say and kind of held off on really defending
myself because you know, my relationship with Hannah was far
more important than my portrayal to the media, So you know,
it was it was hard to just kind of like
bite my tongue and grin and Barrett till everything kind
of played out the way that it did. Um, it sucked,

(03:38):
but you know, like I said, I was the relationship
was the most important thing to me, so I wanted
to do whatever I could to attempt to save that.
We're going to get into here along the podcast, UM,
just our conversation your relationship with Hannah and kind of
where it went wrong and if things could have been
done differently. But I want to start at the beginning.

(04:03):
Ashley and I have reached out to a lot of
people on um social media and asked for any questions
from our listeners and and as a result, we've compiled
a list here that we're going to kind of run through.
But for the most part, I want to treat this
like a story, uh, your story over the last you know,
nine months of your life leading up to really today
where you sit a few days past UM. The final

(04:24):
episode and and everything has kind of been out there
in the open now when this whole thing started. For you,
what was your intention going on the show? You know,
I was. I was reached out to on Instagram about
doing the show and from a casting producer. Yeah, and
as far as I honestly, I don't know what she was.

(04:45):
She she didn't make up in Nashville, and she said
that she was associated with the show and asked me
if I was interested. So um, I followed through with
the steps on that. And you know, at the time,
and I hadn't watched any of the show. It something
that I wasn't really into because in my opinion, it
felt like it wasn't real to me, So I I

(05:07):
wasn't really into it. And um, but it seemed like
a good opportunity. I had seen like people on social
media seemed very happy and it seemed to be the
loving life that have been on the show. So UM,
to me, it just seemed like a great opportunity. I
didn't know the potential of actually fall in love. I
didn't know if that was as real as it kind

(05:29):
of comes across. So um to me, really, I just
I didn't know what I was stepping into or signing
up for when you know I was going through the
interview process. It's an interesting place to start because I
think most people that watch the show assume that everybody
goes on the show is going on with the purpose

(05:51):
of at least hopefully finding love, knowing that it might
not happen. It doesn't happen to the majority of the
people that even go on the show, right the best
case scenary or one person ends up at the end
with the bachelor bachelor atte But for you, what you're
saying is when this all came about, your reached out
to or somebody contacted you, you look at it as

(06:12):
an opportunity to kind of mix life up a bit,
which I've been honest on this podcast about and said, Yeah,
that's why I did it. I thought it could shake
life up a bit. I didn't know what it was
gonna do to me. I didn't know that was gonna
change my life forever. And so you get onto the show,
and at what point does that there's a reality this
is a real thing start to sink in. Right. Um, Well,
it certainly wasn't night one. Um, it was just that

(06:34):
was just such a I'm sure as you remember, it's
just such a weird thing when you all the guys
roll in and you know it's one girl, and everyone's
getting pulled in different directions, and uh, it was just
a lot. I had a crazy perspective going in. I
people told me that I was going to be fought
and that there's gonna be people staring up stuff with me,
and I just I didn't know what I was getting into.

(06:55):
But I think week two is when it clicked for me.
And that's when Hannah she walked in the room and
she was upset because it was already hard for her
and the reality of everything had already hit her that
this was very real and it was going to be
a very difficult journey. And when I saw her be
so upset and emotional about this, that's when it hit

(07:18):
me that, you know, this is a real person. And
I had to step outside and have a moment to
myself because I was like, damn, Like now now I
see that this is this is real emotions and real
people here. So from that moment forward, I just I
wanted to put her happiness in front of my own
and get to know her. And I would say that's
when I really started to fill myself being like falling.

(07:39):
You know, some of the criticism and actually I know
you and I had talked about it was I forget
the guy's name at this point, but there's some guy
on night yeah, on night one, you know, he gets
pulled out because he has a girlfriend at home. And
the criticism, and I've seen a lot of it, is
why didn't you leave at that moment? I don't want

(07:59):
to assume that again. I'm gonna try to do this
whole podcast without assuming anything I want. I'm gonna even
ask you some probably softball questions that will just hopefully
be easy for you to answer, But why in that
moment did you not leave? I had closure with the
Haley girl. I on my side, I had closure, I
guess obviously on her side there wasn't enough of that there. Um,

(08:21):
we had had verbal phone conversations and talked in person
about like the potential of what could happen on this show,
Like you know, people end up being a bachelor, there's paradise,
there's people fall in love. Like we didn't know what
was going to happen, and that had been discussed and
you know, we said our goodbyes knowing that I was
stepping into an unforeseen future. So to me, I was

(08:44):
going on this journey as a single man. But you
kind of said that you didn't think that love really
came from the show, and it was more of like
just a show, right, So why would you even assume
that you were going to fall for anyone? I was
not assuming. I I was open to the idea, but
there was not an assumption. There was not an assumption

(09:04):
going to fall in love with somebody. Then why did
you even have a concluding conversation with Haley? Because we
just wanted it to be clear that anything could happen.
The part that I think has been confusing as some
of them, it's we're getting to it earlier and I
expected to, but I think it will lead us down
a good road here. The text messages leading up to

(09:29):
you leaving then didn't point to it being over, and
that's kind of the thing. You know, there's multiple people
this season that have had relationships leading up to the show,
and it happens every year. It's not this is an anomaly.
It happens every time that you know this show exists.
Somebody gets asked and then they either in the relationship
once they find out they're going to be on the show, um,
or they do it a few months prior to the

(09:51):
difference with you, because I think text messages came out
as you were leaving that pointed that you guys might
still be together have something right, And uh, I can
see that. I will own those text messages all day,
I said them. And you know, I really did feel
for her, like there there's no denying it. She she
has a great person. I'm not gonna ever shoot her down.

(10:12):
She has a great heart, and that's just the facts.
And I did feel for her. Um, though we were
never in an exclusive relationship or had committed to that,
we totally did have feelings and emotions for each other.
And um, when I'm sorry, I'm so tired, backtrack me

(10:32):
a little bit on that question. Then you want to
repeat the question. Yeah, so if it had ended right
through phone conversations, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, So, Um, we
had had verbal conversations and obviously those aren't being put
out and you know, the phone conversations aren't being put

(10:53):
out there, not out and recorded like people do have
genuine conversations outside of text messages. Did I and those? Yes?
But to me, the verbal closure was there, But didn't
you text her that you loved her the day that
you had this verbal conversation? Yeah, and you think that

(11:13):
thing I love you means that you're in a committed relationship.
I think that when has it ever been a thing
that you have to be in a committed relationship to
say that you love someone? M And again, I think
this is where it gets confusing. So let's try to
break this down. I think we need to live in
this space for a bit and try to figure this out,

(11:34):
because I think, quite honestly, yeah, this is where I
um lost. I get. I actually can completely understand going
onto the show ending a relationship I hear all the time,
um finding that closure, and then also going onto the
show without an idea of what it really is. I mean,
I think anybody that was on my season would admit

(11:55):
when I was in the limo, I still didn't know
exactly what we were getting ourselves into. And then as
the weeks progressed, my feelings for Caitlyn increased, leading to
the you know, to the end of our story, and
then me being the bachelor, and the Bachelor led me
to love and so I never would have expected that
or could predicted it um until we're in it M.

(12:17):
And so this is and I have to be honest
with this is where I lose you. I don't get
this part. I don't I believe you that you had
phone conversations there was closure there, but if there was
closure within that either one, it was completely unhealthy for
you too. Then text I love you to Haley because
you had just ended a relationship with her, or or

(12:40):
to the relationship never ended, And that's where my mind goes.
The phone conversation where we said goodbye was after the
text message. Okay, I mean that that answer what led you?
Then let's live what led you to then make that
phone call after the text I had just landed in
l A. And that's where we kind of just said
our good eyes. What was her response? Was it hard? Yeah?

(13:04):
I mean it was. It was a hard conversation because
we knew that I was stepping into an unforseen future.
She had um she was potentially going on some show,
and we both knew that this was kind of like
a the point where we don't know what's going to happen,
but we're okay and want the best one another. Did

(13:26):
you think that this could possibly have happened where like
you were going to get far enough in the in
the competition, let's call it that for lack of a
better term right now, and that you were gonna end
up worrying if Haley had interpreted that last conversation the
way that you intended it, I never honestly would have

(13:47):
dreamed you never you never thought that, like, oh man,
I'm in this deep, She's probably gonna be really mad.
I I, truthfully knowing her, would have thought that she
would have been happy for me, to be honest, because
she knew that the future was like we couldn't read
the future, we didn't know what's going to happen. So
I think I would have thought if she saw me happy,

(14:09):
then yeah. But I guess also that like I was
not really taking to consideration the way of the of
the word love also with her, because you know, I
feel like that can be on so many different levels
and taken so many ways, and I I will own
up and say that, you know, obviously with Hannah was

(14:30):
a different level. I wanted to spend the rest of
my life with her. I should not have been so
forward with it at the time, though I did feel
strong emotions for Haley. Trust me. If there's one person
that can't confused by the word love me buddy. Um,
I got a girlfriend now that I love so much,

(14:51):
and I you know, the show led me to to
find love. But I get what you're saying there, and
I think I want that to be clear. What you
found with Hannah was a different kind of love than
what you had with Hayley. And I can understand that.
I mean, I'm living in that right now. But it

(15:14):
still doesn't answer the question of what happened on the
plane ride. I mean you you get onto a plane
with a text message says I love you, and on
a plane ride, you get off the plane and I
know how this works. You get off a plane, you
get in a car and you start heading towards the mansion,
or you go you go to a hotel and you
get prepped for the mansion. What happened in the Nashville
to l A three hours on this plane ride that

(15:35):
made you go, uh, I don't think I follow what
you're saying there. You mean like once I landed in
l A. Oh, I mean I told her that I
would call when I landed, and I did, and once
I was I was in the airport, and this was um,
before I even went to baggage claim, I put my

(15:59):
headphones in and went and kind of set and had
a little conversation. So what happened on the plane, right
that made you feel like you need to have that?
That's what this is where I'm trying to get to.
So this is where we're looking at right now. This
is what I'm here. You get onto the plane with
a text message that's really sweet, UM, that's kind of
saying things like I love you and that you're you know,
it feels like a relationship type text you get, you

(16:22):
get on the plane, you get off the plane, and
you sit down before baggage claim and call her to
end it. What happened on the plane, I mean we
both had already had those conversations in person that, like
I said, again, I was going into an unforeseen future.
That was it. Like, so the call was pretty much
simply a goodbye, good luck. You know, everything's gonna work

(16:46):
out either way, like I want the best for you.
I want the best for you. Goodbye. And to go
back to my other question, just there was never an
oh moment for you while filming this season. Like I said,
I was was weighing my closure more than I guess hers.
I was not. I was thinking on my side that

(17:07):
I felt okay and not really taken to consideration how
much how this could have been hurting her. And that's
my fault. Let's backtrack it in a little bit um
like why why are you sitting with us today? I
think we've heard now coming onto the show, and I
know Ashley has a lot of questions kind of circling

(17:30):
around your relationship with Hannah and how this show played
out for you. But I really want to understand the
mindset going onto the show, and then now that you
sit on the outside of it, what about that that
conversation with Haley makes you want to sit down with
us today and say, here's my story, and this is
why I believe it's okay that I did what I did,

(17:52):
and I don't. I don't agree that it's okay that
I did what I did. I can see how now
that that was very hurtful to her, and that you know,
though it did give me my closure, it didn't give
her hers, And that's my fault, and I'm you know,
I'll admit it. I admit that I can see now
like especially with like her interviews and stuff how much

(18:14):
this actually did hurt her. So I guess I'm here
to also admit that it's evident to me that I
could have handled that different. If you could go back
in the Bachelorette process, when would you have ended up
telling Hannah that there was somebody who you ended a
relationship with right before the show. I wish I would

(18:36):
have talked about it in fantasy suites. Yeah, totally. Um,
that's in my opinion, that would have been the best
time to have done it. It didn't cross my mind,
to be honest, to be completely honest, it didn't cross
my mind. We were really just head over heels to
be you know, not on camera for once and talked

(19:00):
about just about everything under the stars. But it didn't
cross my mind. I was just head over heels for her.
So did it feel like one of the questions we
gotta asked if did it feel like a risk to
tell her at any point? I was. I was definitely
fearful to to talk about it with her. Um. You know,
I think that you know, I fell in love with her.
I love her so much that I was scared to

(19:24):
lose that. I've never felt that emotion and it's like
getting like your dream house or dream car and knowing
that if you did one thing, you lose it forever.
And this was like that time's ten for me. I
just had never felt this strongly so fast, and the
last thing I wanted to do was lose it. And
I should have acted on love and respect and openness
rather than fear. And that's my mistake. He asked before um,

(19:47):
I let you kind of loose here on what's happened
in the relationship with Hannah and Jed, and then kind
of post I really just have one last question for you,
and then I'm gonna fall along with this. Out of
all this stuff that's happened in the last you months,
what has been the lies or the opinions, the criticism
that's hurt you the most. I don't know if and

(20:16):
let me rephrase that, I don't know if what you're saying.
I don't want you to come off wrong here. What
you're saying is these things aren't lies necessarily, It's just
an unfortunate story or circumstance with some really poor decisions
being made. But the lot like there's it has there
been lies. I don't feel like there's been lies rather

(20:40):
than I think it's been kind of vengeful considering that
she's plutted her band on everything that she's done, coming
out and talking about our relationship, and um, that's I
mean to me if I was completely heartbroken. I mean,
for one, if I was in an actual relay sationship

(21:00):
with someone, I wouldn't want them to go on a show.
I wouldn't like if they told me they're going to show,
be like, all right, we're done, go do it. Like
if that's if that's really what you're gonna do, then
go do that. And that's something that I had to
discussed with Haley early on, Like when I found out
I was going on the show, I told her that
I was going to fall through with us if she
did not want to spend time together, hang out or
do anything. We don't have to do that, and that's

(21:22):
fine with me. I would not do that if I
was in your position, and I I just I wouldn't.
So I always found a hard time figuring out even
like though I can see now that my behavior and
words were misleading, especially in the text messages, I just
didn't find a hard time seeing how if you do

(21:42):
care about someone so much, even if they were assuring
how it's okay to like let them go on a
dating show at all, Like if that was like a
thing I I wouldn't have gone if I was in
a relationship, But if my person was trying to convince
me that it's okay, I would just be done. And
it really just baffles me that she just had to
come out and tell her story. Once I was at
two fifty thou followers on Instagram or something, That's that's

(22:05):
when it hit to me if you were so heartbroken, Like,
and I'm not taking that away from her. She's hurt,
and I understand that, and I own up to my mistakes,
But if you really were so broken, why not earlier? Well,
I was going to ask you that. So do you
think it was your Instagram follower account or possibly how
far you got in the competition that got her to

(22:27):
come out with her story, because I have a feeling
if you were like top ten, she probably wouldn't have
said anything. I really don't know. Um, I I would
love to just completely own up to my mistake and
sit and be like, it's because she's hurt. But the
fact that she plugged her music and on everything that
she did afterwards. That made me kind of reconsider a little. Yeah,

(22:50):
that hurt that that feels it feels a little self promoting,
and I yeah, I get that. I mean I think,
inc wow, this is I think the problem Jed And
this is maybe the one of the other things I
want to ask. I don't know how to say this, well,

(23:10):
is I think there is this weird level at which
there is a self promotion behind a breakup. But at
the same time, Um, you know this was an outlet
for you to promote your music and you admitted that.
I mean, that was something that was talked about on
the show and then definitely a storyline on the show.

(23:32):
So I'm trying to I mean, it was this. It
feels like the apple hasn't fallen fall from the tree
because you went on the show to promote music. She
knew that going in that was something that you had
talked about with her, and then when that kind of
I mean, I don't know, maybe backfires on her or
there's a route awakening where she realizes, oh, he actually

(23:54):
likes this girl, he's in love with this girl, and
he isn't coming back to me. Is it that crazy
or that outlandish of her than to say, well, I'm
going to use this to my advantage too. I mean, no,
I mean it's not I mean, I don't think it's right,
but I don't think that it's you know, outlandish by

(24:16):
any means. No, it's the part, Yeah, it's it's just
the part that I'm again, I think this is just
a really unfortunate story of lessons learned. And I hope
that's what the listeners take away, is that you haven't
yet said this isn't your fault. And I respect that.

(24:36):
Trust me, I really respect that out of you that
you have you've yet to say this isn't my fault.
But I also think that, quite honestly, it was just
some really poor decisions being made during a time that
you're all eyes were on you. Yeah, no, I agree,

(24:57):
Like I'm I've never felt the way I felt for Hannah,
and it happened to be in front of America. You know.
It's It's something that I'm not used to at all.
So there was just so many different things going and
I'm not trying to excuse my mistake at all, but
it's not something I was familiar to by any means.

(25:21):
The some of our listeners. I'm I'm looking here, they
wrote in an email. They said, because a lot of
the questions we asked where how could have Jed handled
this differently? And uh, and we discussed it, I think
two weeks ago on the podcast. One of the ideas,
and I want to know if you ever thought about this, UM,
was to bring Haley onto the show and during this

(25:41):
experience and ask her to come on this so so
that you could have closure with her. I think what
we're hearing, and I want to make sure that I'm
understanding this correctly. You already thought you had closure with her,
So what did it ever cross your mind to need
to explain to Haley even post filming of the show
that hey, I'm engaged. You know, UM, I had actually

(26:04):
a friend who introduced Haley and I had you know
him and I talked when I got home and he
told me that, you know, she was upset and throwing
beer bottles at a bar or something, and so at
that moment I knew that she you know, I knew
she'd be following the spoilers. I knew, I mean, all
my friends knew everything. When I got back, I was

(26:25):
kind of pissed because I wanted to like kind of
talk about my journey my close friends, you know, but
then they literally, you know how the spoilers go, they
everything just about everything. So um, when I heard she
was throwing this tantrum. Um. I think a few days
or a week later, I ran into her at a

(26:46):
bar and I saw her initially and I just kind
of wanted to avoid it. I just got back. I
was still coming down to earth from everything that had
just happened. It was such a long during me amazing
but long. And it was my first time going to
it's a it's a thing in Nashville, a bunch of

(27:08):
musicians play. And she approached me next to my friends
and asked me, you know, first said you know you
weren't going to call, you were't gonna do anything, And
my responses I just like, I don't know like what
to say to you at this time. Like, and I
know for a fact, here in this bar where people
were filming me right now, there's people I could see

(27:30):
people behind, even her and my friends, just because it
was it was fresh, and people knew who you were
because your picture had already been released, right, So I
was like, this is definitely not the place for conversation
and I still needed to gather my thoughts, and so
I heard again from one of my friends that she

(27:52):
had been upset again or something, and so I talked
to Hannah about it and I was like, I I
think that I should say something to her, and I
don't know if I need to do this in person
or text or a phone call. And Hannah and I
came to terms that I should just call her. So
I did try to call her one time, and she
ignored it and never called me back, and then the
articles came out. So so at this point Hannah was

(28:17):
aware and supportive of of you trying to process this relationship.
What at this point did Hannah know about your relationship
with Haley. She knew, she knew my feelings and emotions
towards it. Like I said, she knew how I felt
and the closure that I had towards her, and I

(28:39):
was not being mindful to how Haley might have been feeling.
So that's where I lacked the details. Um that I
that I love yous, the trying to think the note
and I I had told Haley this was me talking

(29:02):
before I knew anything about the show, and I could
pick my past apart for for hours and I know
that it's not right, but I talked to him, just
talking like I think going top five, that would be
like the thing to do, and like, I don't know
what I mean there. I didn't know who the bachelotte's
gonna be. I didn't know that I would even fall
in love, right, I hadn't no clue what was going
to happen. So um, when Hannah read all that, it

(29:25):
was very hurtful and I think made her question the
validity of my words towards her, which really sucks because
like I know for a fact that I felt everything
that I said to her was as real as it gets.
And take your time, We're good. No Rusher could take

(29:58):
a break. Yeah, take a break. We're gonna come back in.
And uh, we we took a little break. This is
not an easy conversation to have. And I think jed
when we paused here the emotion was coming from your

(30:22):
feelings towards Hannah. And one thing we haven't got to
see a lot of because of how this ended and
because of the kind of the months in between filming
the show and when the show aired, is how serious
your relationship is. But was So to you, Jed, what
were your feelings to Hannah? Yeah, I mean, I think

(30:43):
the hardest part of all this is that you know,
her questioning my validity due to all this um in
my words, because I have not felt as this strong
way for someone ever. And you know, it was just
it was just easy, and it happened so fast, you know,

(31:04):
those those couple of months for like years. But it's
also like you blink your eye and next thing you know,
you're completely head over heels and engaged and start talking
about like houses and all that, just the crazy stuff
that you just you know you want that eventually, but
you just wouldn't have assumed it would have been here

(31:24):
and now, and um, yeah, it's it's it's hard to
to know that's over. But also it's just harder to
know that she questions the validity and how I felt.
So let's go to the breakup part. So we know
that the day after you guys got engaged, you have

(31:45):
the conversation about Haley, and then we know that you
ran into her in the bar and you got a
little bit concerned about her feelings and you called her
and she didn't pick up. But then the People magazine
came out. So is the People magazine really when Hannah
started to feel feelings of distrust? Yeah? Absolutely. I feel

(32:06):
like that's when it really just hit her because she
saw the things that I had left out when I
wasn't considering how Haley was truly feeling. The letter. So
in the letter it sounded like you intended to get
back with Haley if the Bachelor I didn't work out?
Did you in him that? I didn't know. I didn't

(32:27):
know what really I was saying or what was going
to happen, So I can't really say that I wanted
that or that was going to happen. So then, Um,
when was the scene that we saw between you and
Hannah on that couch in the house in l A filmed?
When was it filmed? Like? Was it the week after

(32:50):
the People magazine article came out? How much turmoil was
between you guys? It was within the week and then
you you didn't break up? Then that's and she broke
off the engagement, it seemed mm hmm. What happened in
between that in the real breakup which happened over the phone. Um,

(33:13):
just a lot of emotion, sadness, and just really evaluating
myself and how I've made people feel. Um, Hannah obviously
my number one priority, but I've had to gain perspective
from everyone else's feelings too, And that being Haley, that
being you know, the fans, and like, it's just I

(33:36):
never intended or wanted to hurt anyone, but you know,
just kind of taking it in and swallowing the fact
that I have hurt people. That was just. It was tough.
When I feel like breakups are inevitable, you get that
feeling where you're like trapped. You're like, oh, man, like
I messed up, or like there's something messed up in
this relationship and I don't think I'm gonna be able

(33:57):
to get out of it. So were you feeling that
that trapped, scared feeling for a while like it was
going to go south no matter what you did. I
I wasn't sure what was going to happen. You know,
in my head, I kept telling myself that, you know,
that love was so powerful. It was powerful enough to
make it through the bachelorette journey. You know, I feel

(34:19):
like we can work through this, especially if we intend
on spending the rest of our lives together, because there's
gonna be trials and tribulations that life does throw at
you that you know, believe it or not, can outweigh this,
and UM, I just I was really hopeful that it
was something that we could talk through. But you know,
I understand why it hurts so bad now, and you

(34:43):
know that's that one of the things. Uh, you just
touched on it. Uh. This week Reality Steve came out
on UM publicly and showed some comments that you were
liking on your social media um to pointing to your
support of people saying, oh, you know, kind of against Hannah.

(35:05):
I'd say they're anti Hannah comments that you were liking.
What was your thought process there? So, contrary to popular belief,
I had gone to tap the comment um the the
longer one. I can't remember exactly what I said, and
I was trying to see the chain of who he

(35:26):
was responding to or whether it was just him and
I liked it, and that was my mistake. But I'm
gonna own up and say that I did like it.
And you know, I don't fully agree with what was
said there, but I I did like it, And you know,
I would be lying if I said that I didn't
feel like obviously a little weird about some of the

(35:46):
things that were said during the season, especially watching back
about like the windmill and stuff like that. Like obviously,
it's just it's really odd and hard to hear someone
that you love and care about be so open about
hooking up with someone else. And you know, she I

(36:07):
totally understand that that's it's her journey and her role,
and you know, I probably would have done the same thing,
you know, if I was if the roles were flipped
in I was, you know, with the top three or
four guys or whatever it was. Um, I would want
to explore that too. So she's not wrong for it,
But it's just it's hard watching back when that is

(36:29):
your person and I would that I had mentally, I
had haste towards it. But their comment was, you know,
it's not right. Whether I liked it, if it was
an accident or even on purpose, it's still not cool
with me. So yeah, I mean, I think that's where
you you like the comment, You're you're admitting that you
like the comment, and so the bottom of it is, which, Man,

(36:55):
my reaction towards things in life are typically not great.
Um My, one of my one of my personal biggest
weaknesses is when things happened that I'm maybe angry about
or frustrating, my initial reaction is always one that's probably
not right. And so your reaction here was a like
a comment that was kind of anti Hannah in a
moment of anger or Hey, so so you have had

(37:17):
moments here where this has been frustrating for you. Yeah,
I mean absolutely absolutely not to like beat the dead
horse here. But there were also some videos of your
friends like wearing Team jed shirts and they were kind
of speaking negatively about Handle, like I don't like that girl.
How do you feel about that? Um? I think it's

(37:40):
pretty clear that people are going to have their opinions
and be that friends or fans. You know, it's something
that you can't really control. I did text them afterwards
and let them know that you know that this isn't
the time or place for that, And but I mean,

(38:01):
in the end, they are my friends, and I'm sure
Hannah's friends would say some things about me right now too.
The j had to kind of some up all this. Then,
How would you have liked handed to handle this? Really
this situation, I really I would have liked to have

(38:29):
had a conversation it just being honest, like sitting down
without cameras and anyone else being around, you kind of
just talk about it. Whether we worked through it or not,
but it to just be us. Did you ever get
to talk about it in person together? Do you hope
to still? I mean, at this point, she's pretty much

(38:54):
openly stated that she has her closure and she's ready
to move on. And that's I understand. Um, So I
feel that you know at this point that I'm hurt.
I do have love for her that I have to
do the same. Yeah. I mean you were engaged and
and I can't imagine not having any closure one on one.

(39:25):
It would be tough. I mean millions of people watched
you have a breakup. Yeah, and if you're sitting here,
there's just a lot that went wrong. I think that's
what I'm taking from this quite honestly. There's just been
a lot that's gone wrong, and you've been wrong, like
you were in the wrong. And I also think that
through it all, it's yeah, through it all, it's definitely

(39:49):
gonna affect you, Jed. And that's why I want to
lead this to now, is if there's closure in your
relationship and uh and you and Hannah are both gonna
move on. Want to spend I'm sorry you don't feel closer.
I I feel like I have to feel closure since
she does, then I want to Luke kept begging for closer.

(40:18):
She's like, I have mine. Yeah, I want to spend
a second and talk about how it's affecting now your
life personally. Uh, we'll hopefully get a chance to talk
to Hannah and and break all of this down with her,
but for now you're in studio with us, and I
want to hear since all this is so all this
has came to fruition and uh, mistakes have been made,

(40:43):
how is it affecting your family? It's been it's been
really hard on them. You know, they don't sign up
for this, no one's family does. And for them to
get kind of dragged into the drama and turmoil, it's been.
It's been tough, you know. But the Edits and you know,
they were completely skeptical to this whole thing, and they

(41:08):
it was definitely taken as a Haley thing, which you know,
when I watch it, I see that. But when I
know my family that I've known my entire life, I
know for a fact that they were just really skeptical
of all this. When I hugged all them, when I
was like off camera, They're like, are you okay? Are
you okay? Is this real? Is this real? There's they

(41:32):
you know, when all the cameras and all the lights
and the producers running around like it's it's something that
they just were not accustomed to. And they I think
they were honestly kind of in disbelief that I was
loving someone in this setting. I mean, as I was,
but also extremely happy that it was happening. So um,

(41:52):
but just seeing how much hate that you know, some
fans and um, some alumni and and more have and
are just so open to throw these things out at people.
It's it's it's sad. You know, we're all we're all human,

(42:13):
and we all have lives and make mistakes, and UM,
I think people kind of get carried away and feeling
like it's just you know, just a message or you know,
just an email, just a letter or whatever, and UM,
I don't realize how much it actually can affect someone's head.
Like you know, I've seen my mom. It's it's been

(42:36):
tough on her, you know, and I I hate it
because I feel like it's my fault, just as I
have like on a lot of this, Like you know,
it's it comes back to me, which I'll own up,
but it's it's hard for me to see the people
I care about the most hurting because of me. Did

(42:59):
they know Haley? Yeah, they did, so the hometown awkwardness
or coldness or whatever. You don't think it had any
anything to do with like, oh, but he kind of
has a girlfriend here. They I did not have a girlfriend.
They knew for a fact where I stood with that.
They knew that we had never committed being exclusive. They
never thought that. My dad told me, He's like, I
never thought you guys were together. My best friend called

(43:21):
me when the article came out and asked me who
it was. If that tells you anything. My best friend,
my best man in my wedding, called me because he
did not know, And you know, I think that kind
of says a lot personally, but um, yeah, to answer
your question about the back to the family, So it's
been tough. I think I'm missing something. Best man in

(43:44):
your have you been for the best man in his
future wedding? Future wedding? I was like, man, I'm sorry
that Yeah, yeah, you know the family, So how are
where is your family at now this and um, and

(44:04):
I guess because we have a few more things to
move into. But where do you hope this goes first?
Where do you hope this leads? Now? Yeah? Well, firstly,
I know that my family is very thankful that I've
been given the opportunity to kind of open up and
tell my sides. So again, thank you all for for
having me. And you know it means a lot to me,
But I know it means a lot to my mom.

(44:25):
She was like, I told her about it this morning
and she's gonna like all crying and stuff. So she's
she's thankful as am I. But um, you know, moving forward,
I really I need to just take some time to
kind of work on my spiritual and mental health and
that's what I want to do. Um, before I make
any jumps towards anything else, that's what I want to

(44:47):
focus on. I I want to be better well around
and take this lesson and become the best version of
myself that I can be. I see Hannah's I don't
know all this of of course, Um, you should have.
There should have been moments where you know, there was
more details that came out sooner. But I do just

(45:08):
feel a lot of empathy because you are dealing with
the most frustrating situation I could possibly imagine falling in
love and then it just being completely wrecked at the
hands of someone else. It's a lot, it's a lot.

(45:30):
We could take a break now. Jed need to step
out of the room. I think it's fair. Uh, this
isn't exactly the most like uplifting conversation to have. UM,
and this feels weird, But because he stepped out of

(45:51):
the room, I think he feels it feels really weird.
But we have to talk about this at some point.
It's it's big news and in dispatch the world, and
it would feel even weirder if we did it in
front of Jed. So I think this is a good
moment to kind of discuss this and try to talk
about it while he's away. So Ashley, if he walks
back in, let's just stop. But until he does, let's

(46:15):
chat about Tyler and Hannah Um having their date UM.
According to a couple of sources, Tyler's with the night
at Hannah's house. It's unconfirmed. I have zero photo, so
it's a photo. UM. It's confirmed by our sources that
it happened at her house. The photo seems like it
did happen at her house. The paparazzi caught them this morning,

(46:38):
Um saying goodbye goodbye. There was a kiss as seen
by the paparazzi, but said that because of camera angles
or something, they couldn't get that kiss on camera. They
hugg goodbye. But the drink stay happened last night, Thursday night,
and it looks like it turned into a sleepover. Did

(46:58):
you expect this? Um? Yeah? Actually yes, I did you do?
I like, actually definitely expected this completely honestly, I didn't.
I did not expect them to get back together. I
thought that this, Yeah, I didn't think that this would happen.
I thought that it was Um. I thought they really
should move on. I thought they'd have respect for each other.

(47:19):
But I did not think they would actually go on
this date. And I'm proven wrong. Oh that's crazy. I
took the day extremely seriously when she asked the other night,
where do you think this goes? I mean, if if,
as a Bachelor fan now actually put that hat on,
do you want to see this work? I want to
see it work for Hannah's sake, for sure. I think
Bachelor nation is totally going to be torn because now
they have to choose between if we want Hannah and

(47:41):
Tyler together, which is something we've rooted for the entire season,
or if we want to see Tyler as a bachelor.
It's difficult, it's it sucks. I mean it doesn't suck.
I think we want her, Hannah to be happy and
if Tyler is going to be somebody who's going to
make her happy for a long time, then we have
to root for that. Okay, so let me ask you
this to close out this conversation. This is big news.

(48:03):
Now it's Tyler still with this happening then kissing, staying
together going on this day. Is Tyler at all in
consideration for the next bachelor? Is it even possible? Now?
It's hard, It's really hard. I'd say that if it's
the only way it's possible is if they like do
one of those Chris Harrison meeting things where they sit

(48:24):
down with Hannah and Tyler and they're like, yeah, we
gave it a couple of weeks. Um, we definitely like
each other, but we don't think we're each other's forever person.
So because of that, I think Tyler should be the Bachelor.
He has my you know, he has my vote as Bachelor.
I think we're gonna need to see a sit down. Yeah,

(48:46):
a lot is gonna have to happen in a short
amount of time. They're gonna have to figure out this relationship,
pursue this relationship, in this relationship, come to terms with
this relationship, and then sit down with Chris Harrison and
talk about it all to make it even a possibility.
I think what we should go start leaning towards is
that Tyler will probably no longer, in my opinion, be
the Bachelor or even be in the talks to be
the Bachelor. But what we can root for is that

(49:07):
Hannah and Tyler leave this thing happy. It feels weird
considering the conversation that we're having around this right now
with Jed, but hey, we've seen it before in Bachelor Nation.
We've seen the SWITCHERU happen, and we've seen the switcherou
become successful in two different circumstances. Jason Mesnick and Ari
come to mind. I think we should talk about that

(49:28):
with Jed and see how he feels about switcher rus
and what exactly happens. Is it right or wrong? Or
is that just part of this experiment. Okay, let's do that.
Vachel Nation, what do you think emails had been a
Nashley I heeart Media dot Com. Let's bring him back
in now, all right, and we're back with Jed. Jed,

(49:49):
what does four for for mean? Because it seemed as
if you use that expression with both Haley and Hannah.
It's a it's a special number to me. I have
alarm set on my phone to pray every day at
ye and it's something that I take very seriously. And
um it's presented itself along the journey, like for Hannah

(50:12):
and I, for example, in Greece. I can remember we
were off camera. I was picking her up to pick
a limon off a tree and to the right of
her there was like a first sale sign and her
body was blocking every number on the number like to
call them, but four four four. So like it's just
like kind of been like a spiritual thing for me,
and I like to share it with people so that

(50:34):
they don't have something that kind of reminds them to
pray or to give them some light when maybe it's dark.
It's something I like to share. So it didn't I
love you and the doc I talked about this earlier today.
I'm I'm huge in a meditation and it's something that
I also I like to share with people. I'm very

(50:55):
open about it. But the doc was a metaphor to
a meditation place. Okay, And you could ask Hayley that
I would take a light detector test on that. I
swear on my mother's life. That's what it was. Thank you. Now,
do you think that there's any chance that down the road,

(51:17):
what's meant to be will be and you and Hannah
could have a second chance at it, maybe when the
spotlight is not on you so much, maybe in like
a year or two, maybe after you do a round
of Bachelor in Paradise and you save the reputation you show,
you know, you show a different You get to show
a different side of you, which I don't know that

(51:40):
you need to show a different side of you. I
don't think your reputation would have been all tarnished during
this season if it weren't for the People magazine coming out.
I think everybody loved you before that article. You know,
just like this kind of like landed in my lap
to be able to go on this show and to
even come on this podcasts. I believe that God, well,

(52:05):
his will will be done, and if it's meant to be,
then it will be. Um, it would be obviously a
great thing. But I'm just like, I'm going to really
put my focus on whatever God's will is. The Jed,
the the craziest thing about this feeling or a season

(52:28):
was how much spirituality played into it. And and so
we get out the show now and we hear your
story and we hear the mistakes you've made. And I
want to be very clear, Jed, I would hate for
this to leave. And you've made some some terrible not terrible,
you made some really unwise decisions through this experience and

(52:50):
you've made and please argue with me if you don't
think so. But one of our listener emails here mentions
the comparison between what you did in and what has
happened in past seasons, UM, comparing you to like Jason Mesnick,
who is one of my good friends and I love
who made the switch, uh to Ari who is now
has a child with his wife Lauren, who UM I

(53:14):
guess famously UM broke up with Becca on national television.
And this listener is mentioning the comparison that this happens
more than what we like to admit to. What about
your situation? And I say this leading in with the
I think he made some really want unwise decisions. What
about your situation makes it so much worse? If so?

(53:41):
I think, I mean, obviously, what makes it worse to
me is that it's it's me. Um, I'm the one
living at and I care about the people who are
also living at. And UM, who am I or anyone
to judge anyone's prior mistakes or choices? Um, I'm only

(54:01):
I'm only accountable for my own and UM, you know
I don't feel like minds any better, any worse than
what has happened before. It's I mean, it's it's mine.
I don't really know how to answer that. I mean,
I think you did. I think what you're saying. Is

(54:22):
is it any worse? And the answers, I don't know
if it is, and I don't I don't. I would
love for our listeners to weigh in on this. UM,
please email us or use the hashtag almost famous podcast.
Let us know is Jed's situation or his how this
ended for Jed worse better? Or is it just not
even comparable? To what we've seen in the past during

(54:45):
this the show. It also just in in you know life. Uh,
I have a buddy who was dating somebody met Um
it's one of my best friends actually that I've just
thought about this now. Um, I met a girl at
the bar, fell in love with her, broke up with
his girlfriend, and now is married to that girl at

(55:05):
the bar. So I guess I'm at loscity. Is that wrong? Right?
I don't know, Actually, what do you think? Well, in
my situation is a little bit different because I was
in love with Jared's for so long beforehand. But yeah,
I mean I definitely wasn't an angel. It wasn't perfect
in that situation at all. I think I got a
little grace because it was Jared. Um. I agree. I

(55:27):
also and that you had loved him for so long. Yeah, totally.
I mean I didn't I kissed him once in my
wall in the other relationship. Um, but I'm I definitely
was too emotionally involved with another man while dating somebody else,
And that's okay, that's my thing. I don't know if

(55:48):
it's okay. I don't I don't know if I don't
think it's okay. I don't think think it's a personal decision,
because for me it's okay because you got to where
you are now and we all have to trust the
path we're on and the and that journey. In my opinion,
it's just my opinion, I think it sucks the some
people um have to be the contrast for whatever is

(56:11):
better for another person sometimes and you know, it doesn't
mean they deserve that or that it's right, but that
is That's kind of how life goes sometimes. You know,
it's just you know, you might think you love someone,
but then when true love kind of shows itself, then

(56:32):
you're kind of hit in the face with like damn,
Like what was I What was I feeling? Thinking? What
was that moment for you? During the season, and you're like, oh, wow,
this is real love. I I could feel it building
and myself in Boston it was just like this unexplainable

(56:56):
feeling and people were asking me like, what is it?
What is it? What is it? And you know, there
was just not another word for it, and I knew
that it was. It was happening fast and it was
very real. And when Hannah and I stepped into the
photo booth in Boston and for only probably like three minutes.

(57:19):
You know, we shut the curtain, and I guess before
it was filmed, filming and stuff in there, there was
like a go pro but I just like looked at
her and kind of in that moment for me, I
was like, this is this feels like it the d

(57:39):
take a second here, I'm gonna I'm gonna fill them
because I think we're moving past something. That's a pretty
I guess compelling comment from Amy and compared to Ashley
and myself, and you know, I don't know, And I
really want our listeners to voice their opinions on this
because the situation is this, let's take you out of it. Jet.

(58:02):
Let's just for the sake of of not talking about
one single person. This is life, right, So say you're
in a relationship with somebody you're dating and it's committed, right,
it's monogamous. You've had that conversation, Um, things are going fine,
maybe not great, maybe we don't even know how good
they're going. And then all of a sudden, loves slaps

(58:23):
you in the face and you meet somebody that completely
changes your world. Listeners, please, we need your advice here.
What do you do? And I mean from from what
you're saying, Jet is you ended this relationship with Haley
Um before you went on, and so it was kind

(58:43):
of free range for you rain for you to go
after Hannah, not knowing where that would take you. I
guess my comment to all of this is I feel
super lucky that I've never had to be put in
that situation. You know, like I absolutely love Jessica, and
if I if Jessica wa into a room and I
didn't know her, I bet my world would stop, Like

(59:04):
I bet things, like my whole paradigm would shift, like
she changed me. But at the same time, it's hard
for me to even relate with this because there is
no possible way I would let my heart go towards
anybody else right now at all. Like it's inconceivable for
me to even think about anybody else entering into my

(59:26):
world while I'm in a relationship with Jessica, because she's
the right one, that's my That's my question for you, Amy,
is then and Listeners, when do we know it's the
right one? Because it would be really unfair to any
person if you're dating and you think it's the right
one and then all of a sudden they find out

(59:47):
when you're in a community that that they weren't based
on you being with somebody else. I I mean, maybe
you said it happens. How do you explain that moment?
Is it just always like heartbreaking? Well, of course it's
always heartbreaking, but the same respect Ashley is with Jared
and marrying him, even how it came around, because it's

(01:00:09):
more true or the one or whatever the word people choose,
and I believe the same for you. I saw you
Ben when you broke up with Lauren, and it was
it was so brutal, like I could cry right now
the pain might I felt because of the pain you
were in. It was horrible. So that doesn't mean that

(01:00:32):
that wasn't love. But this is different and dare I
say better? And my thing for Jed is that Jed
knew on some level that the previous relationship love whatever
you wanna call it, wasn't totally it or he never
would have gone on this show and he never would
have said to her like ended if you need to

(01:00:54):
or were not committed, like he might have done things wrong.
Maybe he's not perfect, but on some level they knew.
And I'm gonna get a million letters on this, but
if her love was true, the truest love, she would
have never gone to People magazine. Well, I think she

(01:01:14):
wouldn't have let you go on the show. Yeah, that
was my point earlier. Is it's like I would I
don't understand why, Like it would be okay no matter
what I said, Like, can you like then imagine you
know you're with um, what's her name, Jessica Jica? Alright,
so you're with Jessica. This is before you know you're married,

(01:01:37):
and you know you're you're in love with her, so
you say, but she tries to convince you that it's
okay that she's gonna go do a dating show? How
are you going to be on that? Yeah? That's wild
to me. That makes me sick to my stomach. It does?
I get that point? Now? She was sug she would
never throw Jessica under the bus, no matter how hurt

(01:01:58):
he was, And I know that with every ounce of me,
she could break his heart and he would not hurt
or like that. Yeah, I never thought about that way,
is yeah if she if Jessica thinking about Jessica now,
the woman that I'm in love with, and she goes, yeah,
I'm gonna go on a dating show to see where
it ends up. No, yeah, I mean that would have

(01:02:20):
been proof to me that you weren't that into me. Mhm.
I never thought about it, but I have a question,
why not American Idol or the Voice if you're trying
to pursue a music career. This this lended in my lap.
I mean, had American Idol messaged me and said, you know,
come do this, come do that, maybe I would have.
But this, this was what was presented in front of me.

(01:02:40):
I prayed about it, and it felt like the right
thing to do, and I believe it was. We just
don't know that yet. There will be something I don't
know that shows that this was the path you were
supposed to go on. Even if you learn, never to
make this mistake again. I thoroughly believe that's what at
this moment it is. You know, it's like the worst

(01:03:00):
way to learn this lesson. It's the most painful way.
It's in front of God and everyone, and you know, wholeheartedly,
I have learned, and I have changed, and I want
to live, you know, a different life. Did I feel
like from here on forward, you are never going to
give You're going to give exact details and straight up

(01:03:22):
and open honesty everywhere you got I'm gonna tell like
way too much info to everyone. That bad. I mean,
let's let's posters. I mean, that's not a bad thing.
That's a good lesson learned, Jed. I mean, if your
lesson learned from all of this is as simple as
and maybe not, I mean maybe this isn't even simple.
Is from here on out, my honesty and my openness
and my vulnerability is going to far outwigh anything I'm

(01:03:43):
trying to hide. Then there's been heartbreak, and there's been tears,
and there's been really unfortunate emotional damage done in the process.
But if that's the lesson you learn, UM, then I
would have to say some good is coming out of it.
The second is Amy, You, out of anybody, has been um.

(01:04:10):
Especially during this podcast, you've been on Jed's side in
a sense where you understand his circumstance and you understand
how this played out. I think it's it's fair for
our listeners and myself and Ashley. Because I might disagree
with you, that's what makes this podcast so beautiful, is
my opinion might be. Yeah, once you're in a relationship
with somebody, there isn't any going around it. But at
the same time, I can definitely see, um, well, let

(01:04:33):
me use this for example, when I went on Winter Games,
I was dating. When I went on Winter Games, you
were like open to dating and trying dating definitely like I.
I didn't go on Winter Games when I was like,
I mean, how many months would you had to go
without dating to then say I'm open to going on
a show to see if there's my love of my
life there. I just knew it wasn't the love of
my life. I knew I had not met the love

(01:04:53):
of my life and that in that season, and so
I said, I'll give this thing a shot. And I think, jed,
what I'm hearing is for the difference maybe is that
that you were sharing the I love yous and that
you were sharing a vacation and and those are the
things that I'm not fully grasping is if you're willing
to share that and say that. But again, there's one

(01:05:15):
person in the world that knows how you say I
love you on national television. It's me, buddy. Um so Amy,
I think I'm not able to say I'm old. I'm
forty five, so I can look back at a time
when I fully believed I was in love with someone
completely Okay, like the love ist love, love, strong, painful love,

(01:05:41):
do you know what I mean? So like that means
it's not a perfect love. And I know that it's
possible to very quickly fall in love with someone else
that is a better love and it cures you of
the unfortunate or toxic love that you had before. That's

(01:06:05):
maybe the best way I can explain it. You think
the love was right, and it isn't until that other
person comes along and you realize this is what I want,
this is better. I would like that. I was just
going to touch on the vacation thing, if that's okay, Sure, Okay.
So the Bahama trip was a surprise gift from Hayley's

(01:06:32):
parents to her for her birthday, which she happened to
share with me on my birthday. Um, they covered the
cost and we went and did this. And it wasn't
until three days before I fled to the Bahamas that
I knew that I was going on the show I had.
There was still no for sure. I hadn't been called back,
and that was that was that. Um was it right

(01:06:56):
for me to go? Maybe not? But know, up until
that point, we had already bought flights and it happened,
and you had told her that you had been fully
cast at that point it was three days before, and
she she could have, I guess, to play Devil's advocate,
been like, well, I don't want you to go anymore,

(01:07:17):
Like I don't want you to go in the vacation
with me anymore. Right, I think she just didn't think
that you were going to make it as I don't think.
I mean, yeah, I don't think I expected to have
fall in love like, I mean, she's not wrong for that,
but it's like you just my advice to anyone doing
the show is to just come in with a very

(01:07:38):
open mind that you might actually meet your person here.
I know, isn't it crazy? Yeah? You just you would
not think that at all. Just you might go there
for every wrong reason possible, but the person that God
intends for you to be with might be there. So
going with that mindset, gen to clear our close things

(01:07:59):
up here on the conversation about you and Hannah, Um,
what did you do wrong? Let's just be if we
can break down this whole story, sum it up. Where
did you go wrong? I should have told her absolutely everything,
get the fantasy suites. That's my biggest regret. I you know,

(01:08:21):
I wish I would have done that, and um, that's
that's what I wish I would have done. It's a
good answer. It's a good enough answer. And then finally,
do you wish Hannah would have handled anything differently? Um?
As this things played out? And if so, what I

(01:08:41):
I understand how she's hurt. I mean, this is hard.
This was her you know, this was her journey and um,
not to say that it wasn't a lot of the
other guy's journey too, but like I mean, this is
this was about her finding her person ultimately, So I
understand why she's so upset. And you know, it's so

(01:09:01):
hard once you hit that moment of engagement on there
to not want to go scream from the top of
the mountain that you know you found your person and
to feel like that wasn't the case after all that
commitment has already happened is heavy and hard. So I
do not condemn her fulfilling the way she does. Should
we jump into Tyler? We have to ask Tyler? Yeah,

(01:09:26):
And I feel bad we have to do this with you,
but we're gonna have to do this with you, Jed,
how do you feel about Hannah asking Tyler out for
drinks and that we have some further information on that.
Do we really need to do that with them here?
We can maybe? Um, you know, going into that, you know,

(01:09:51):
I had so many emotions, and you know, ultimately I
just wanted to let her know how much remorseful and
sorry I was. But I just had a to feeling
that something was going to come up like that, and
you know, I don't really have anything negative to say
about it. I just ultimately wanted to be happy. Well, yeah,

(01:10:16):
we can talk about it when you leave them. Yeah,
are do? We should we get into some lighter fan
questions now, there is one question I really like. Is
it a question or a statement? It's a question, did
you pack any other jackets than the brown one while
you were filming? Are you talking about the leather one?
That's what I was just going to ask, because it

(01:10:36):
was the most like question I could read. Oh my god, So, um,
you know, the packing list is huge and my suitcase
was only so big, and I was like, you know,
surely we're going to be in tropical places, so I
should just bring probably one jacket. So that's that's exactly

(01:10:57):
what I did. So you know, I looked like a
hunter gatherer for for most of the show. And you know,
it is what it is. Um, what is the what's
the dog music jingle that you came up with? What's
what dog food is it for? That's a pretty big
I know they are, but like that's a pretty big deal.

(01:11:20):
I'll talk about Charlie. She made a living on that
in two and a half man. Yeah, and he lived
on the Pacific Coast Highway. Yeah. I mean, I think
dogs are awesome, and I also think royalties are awesome.
I'm not ashamed of that, and I think that you know,
it is a joke right now, and to be honest,
I laugh about it too. It's it's a funny thing
to hear. But I just really thought the company was

(01:11:42):
cool and what they were about seem cool, and so
I got on board. And you know, her dad asked
me what my most recent achievement was or whatever greatest achievement.
But I don't think he weighed out the actual possibilities
of it, which is fine. I mean, outside looking in,
if you don't know anything, then it's like that sounds
so stupid, But I'm dog jingle doesn't sound stupid to

(01:12:04):
me at all? How many times? And are you like
looking for something? You're like, I need blinds. Then you're like, oh,
then you like sing the jingle for blinds or something.
It's like those things really work. Can you sing us
the jingle? Or is it like totally copyrighted? This would
not be a show with Jed unless we got him
singing at some point, but we can't do it because

(01:12:24):
of copy right. Uh. I think the company is gonna
love the shout out. They probably would appreciate it it.
Of course, I drink coffee and haven't slept in days,
so here we'll go for it, but shout out better balls.
You guys have been cool to me. Um, all right, Yes,

(01:12:49):
we're here. You've got our support. We are with you.
Jet all right, all right. If you really want to
give your dog the best, you gotta pick him up
some bed a bow. Yes, finally something to smile over. Right.

(01:13:10):
You can also smile over the fact that I think
you look like a young justin Timberlake. Wow, thank you,
You're welcome. You don't think I look like broccoli head?
Who's broccoli? That's that's the memes I'm saying, I'm brocco. Heead,
it's fine. It's fine, broccoli head, because I was critical.
But we've never been critical like that. We would never
make fun of that, not a broccoli head. You're a
young justin Timberlake. We only make fun. Don't know if

(01:13:32):
you're a young justin Timberlake in any way whatsoever. I
don't get that. Really, my sister saw it too. I
know who you look like, but I can't bring myself
to bring it up because yeah, I can't handle talking
about it. No handsome but just like too many scars,
too much pain and damage. I'm curious, all right, what

(01:13:56):
was your favorite off scene moment on The Bachelor at
that didn't have to include maybe not including Hannah, like
a good bro moment I have, like I have, I
have three? Okay, yeah, tell us all three. So while
we were still at the mansion, Dylan Barber and I
would put on these ridiculously colored suits that he brought.

(01:14:19):
One was catchup red and the other was mustard yellow,
and we would put we would put sunglasses on, and
we would go interrupt people's interviews, and then we would
sit on a couch and talk with the emotion you've
ever heard in your life about literally everyone. It was
just a roast fest. Will you be watching Paradise? Yes,

(01:14:40):
it starts this Monday because your friends are on it. Yeah. Uh.
Second moment was also at the Mansion. I was sitting
outside on the couch and John Paul I can't even say,
we have a laugh. That's great. It's like insects in
the City, you know the movie when they're like something

(01:15:01):
one day, really funny. He's going to make you laugh
and nothing is funnier than diarrhea. Oh god, I don't
know about that in the city. Um So, John Paul
Jones walks over and he's kind of purchased, like Smegel
from Lord of the Rings, next to me on the
couch and he's drinking some cocktail and he's glaring around,

(01:15:24):
and then he glares at me and he says, oh God,
get it out. He's like, oh shoot, I was. I
was really hoping they were filming. This is a really
cool way to sit. I have not forgotten that. And

(01:15:46):
I think the third was also a John Paul Jones moment,
like I love that guy so much. He just he's
inevitably himself no matter what's going on or where he is,
and he deserves all the love in the world. But
we were it was at the Bay a by date
and Um we had just kind of like switched scenes
or whatever, and they had started filming again, and no

(01:16:08):
one knew where he went. Oh god, he was back
in the labor chair. He was hot, he was he
was tucked down behind the rocking chairs where they were
like doing like the nursing thing and taking his undershirt
off under his shirt like doing these things. He didn't
want anybody to see his chest. Yea, no one knew
where he went. And he popped up and he was

(01:16:31):
just like saying something was up with his pits or something.
It was just funny. Everyone lost it. We're going to
see a lot of those moments in Paradise. Think do
you declare? I'm sure I have a feeling jed Once again,
man Um, thanks for coming on the podcast. I know
it's been a big day. I know you've been all
over the place. Uh. We like to do this with
every in depth UM episode and in any time anybody

(01:16:55):
really comes onto the podcast to explain who they are
and what they're doing. Uh, your question is gonna be
a little bit different. We typically ask what do you
want your legacy to be? Like, how do you want
people to remember you? I think it's appropriate for me
to ask you in a moment, in a season where
things are swirling around you and there's a lot of
negativity and confusion, and I am super interested in seeing

(01:17:16):
the responses um from our listeners on how they would
handle a situation similar to yours. But I want to
ask you, Jed, to close out this podcast, what do
you want fans to know about you? And in a sense,
what is your plea to anybody listening to clear up

(01:17:37):
all that's happening, to admit to any fault, and also
how you would hope everybody can move forward together. Um,
that's a great question. I think that I'm human and
that I make mistakes. I make them daily. Um I'm

(01:17:58):
not perfect. I'm not perfect, I never will be. But
I've I've learned my lesson through all of this and
that I do want to grow and I will grow,
and that I want the absolute best for Hannah. I
want her to be happy. I have nothing but love
for love and support for her with the guys, and

(01:18:19):
you know, for the fact that like though it's been
hard that I have learned one of the biggest lessons
in my life. Hey, ma'am, we aren't learning lessons, we
ain't doing some things right. So again I appreciate you,
thanks for coming on. I can't say I agree with
every decision you made. I honestly would tell you I

(01:18:41):
disagree with some of them. Um. But what I can
say is is talking to you today, any any human
that will admit fault um is somebody I can respect
and uh, even amongst the things that's been done and
the people that's been heard along the way, I can
at least say um. It takes a big person to
say they're wrong, especially um when the world is watching.

(01:19:04):
So with that, this has been in depth with Jed Wyatt.
I've been been all along, I've been Ashley, and I
have been Jed. Guys for having me, of course, it's
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