Live in the Vineyard with Cassie Randolph, Katie Morton and Joe & Kendall

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Katie Morton opens up about her relationship with Chris B. and lets us in on some secrets that we’ve never heard before.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. Oh we're gonna miss Ashley so
much on this podcast, but I promise you it's gonna
be a podcast that comes up with some dirt, some juice,
and some really good experiences. We're sitting live, I mean,
we're live at the Vineyard in Napa Valley right now
at the Carnaries Resort. We want to say thank you

(00:21):
to the Carnarious Resort for hosting us. We're sitting up
on top of the rooftop and a beautiful I don't
know what you call this sanctria. Do you know what
we call this thing. It's a gazebo. Yeah, it's a gazebo.
This gazebo is beautiful. It's magical. Uh. And we're talking
to some of Batchel Nation's favorites right now. But this
Live in the Vineyard Music Festival. You've heard us talk

(00:42):
about it before. It's one of my favorite things of
the year, and this year does not disappoint. We're gonna
have Avril Levine, Kelsey Ballerini, Marion Morris, Adam Lambert and
many more at this year's festival. So if you're ever
in Nappa. You're looking for a time of year to come,
You're looking for a place to stay, say at the
Carnarious Resort during the season of the Live and the
Vineyard Music Festival is worth it on this On this podcast,

(01:03):
we're gonna have Joe and Kindle. Yeah, Joe and Kindle
the ones. We're gonna talk to them about their scene
dating app. But right now we have a really really
special guest. Katie Moe is in the house. Hey Katie, I, uh,
I'm gonna start. I'm gonna do shoot. So, I you've
had your time on Bachelor, uh in Paradise and The Bachelor,

(01:27):
and and recently I had a friend that I was
talking to and they told me just how much, uh,
they appreciate you and love you as a human. And
I mentioned it before in the podcast when you're on
the show, I was like that girl, I know she's
she's a solid person because of her eyes. Like you,
with the eyes that you have, you can't hide anything,
like you can see right through them. Katie thinks for

(01:49):
coming on the podcast, Thank you. I'm so glad to
be here. And that's so kind. Um. I mean, I'd
like to say they are honest eyes I think I
think they are. Katie. You've also spent some time in
Denver recently. We're going to get into it. You're still
dating Chris, right, Yeah, still engaged to Chris. Still engaged. Yeah,
we date, We go on dates. I mean, I think

(02:10):
we're all dating when we're engaged. I mean, honestly, we're dating.
We just had to start with that little bit. But
let's talk about you first, Katie. Obviously your life has
changed fairly quickly in the last two years. Can you
just give a brief rundown of what are some of
the positives and negatives to where your life has taken you? Well,
I'm gosh, just been one year total? Wild um positives

(02:35):
and negatives? Well, in a positive aspect, I've grown to
know a lot about myself, a lot more. I always
thought that I was very self aware, but you'll quickly
learn that you have a lot more to learn about yourself.
So I've learned that, um, I'm a lot of the

(02:57):
times a mediator between my friends, and that I am
an over empathizer at times two I empathized to a
fault sometimes to where sometimes I, UM, I don't know,
I'm just generally an emotional person, but I will empathize
to where I try to. I'm a fixer. I try

(03:19):
to fix everything for everybody, and that will exhaust me
in the end. So just learning to prioritize myself over
this past year has been super important because I always
put everyone before me, before UM in my life, and
now I'm learning I'm really learning to say no to things.
That was my big thing in October. I did sober October,

(03:39):
and then I also tried to practice saying no because
I used to get really sad about not being able
to make it to UM something someone asked me to
go to, or showing up for someone, and I realized,
if I just keep over exerting myself, I'm going to
start showing up as someone who I'm not, and that's
a frustrated person, that's a person who who was very reactionary.
So in order to show up as my best self,

(04:02):
I'm going to have to say no and let them
down in that moment so that in other moments when
they need me, I can show up better. This is
one of the most interesting things about Batch, like coming
on The Bachelor, and I think you're pointing to it
as all this kind of came about because of your
time on the shows and the pressures that it's put
on you. Um. Yeah, there also weren't this many opportunities

(04:25):
to say no to this many things before. Um. And
you know, some of the negatives have there's negatives and
positives and everything. And I like to say that with
negatives come change, and with change brings growth and growth
is always positive. Um. But it's still I guess some

(04:47):
of the negatives would be I don't know, I'm trying
to think of negatives. It's hard. It's hard because I,
for the most part, anything that seems like and I'll
tell you, okay, a negative. I uggled with depression a
lot coming off of the show. So that's something that's
very and that's a vulnerable piece of me that I
don't typically share. I don't even really share that on

(05:08):
my social media. So there you go. But I've struggled
with depression coming off of the show, and that's something
that I struggled with before. But when you have a
larger audience, it seems a little bit more daunting sometimes
or like it's a heavier weight. So UM, for me,

(05:30):
surrounding myself as with the best family and I have
the best family too as a support system and the
best of friends. So being open and honest with them
when I am ever struggling, it helps me crawl out
of things real fast. Um. So those are some negatives,
just deep whatever I've experienced, it seems even happy moments

(05:51):
are accelerated and sad moments are heightened as well. So
the negatives would be that some of those, um, sadder
moments have been amplified. But other than that, the happy
moments are so great. So it's hard to say when
you do feel down and out a lot of our
listeners right in and they have they struggle with depression,

(06:11):
or they just I think a lot of people right
now are feeling like outsiders, kind of looking in um
and especially to this world um that you and I
have both operated, and people watching they go, oh, if
I could only be like Katie, if I could only
be uh as elegant or whatever as Katie was or is,
And you would say to them, what, Well, it's hard

(06:35):
to just say one thing, but I would say to them,
and what I've said to a lot of my friends
is the grass is not always greener. And that's something
that in this world, especially now with social media, is
hard to get out of your mind. Sometimes you think
if I only had this, or if I could do that,
my life would be blank. And sometimes just just not

(07:00):
the case, because with opportunities and with exposure comes great
responsibility and um, a lot of things that you might
not foresee when you're looking, because you can't see big
picture when you're outside of it. Um. But I would
just say the grass isn't always greener and also just

(07:21):
appreciate and stay present to where you are now and
appreciate all the things you have now. UM. I guess
that's as far as I can really go. There's so
many things I could say, but grass is always greener
is a really good one you want to use every day.
I want to talk about your relationship with Chris and
and how great the engaged life is or I don't know,

(07:41):
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with Katie Moe. Um, Katie, you're an engaged woman. Uh,

(09:36):
you're just out in Denver, in my neck of the woods.
That's where Chris lives. I want to start before we
start gettingto your relationship. Um, there's a few moments f
Batchelan Paradise. I want a point on because I've been
waiting for you to come on the podcast and listeners
out there we go. Yeah, I knew been when to
ask this, I forgot. So there's a scene, UM on
Bachelor in Paradise where you're kind of talking. I forget

(09:58):
with you. If it was with Chris, there was a
guy and everything you were saying was not making sense.
Will That was the scene and I watched it and
I was like, I know, Katie, I've met Katie. I've
never had this experience. I remember going to the the podcast
like that scene like it was wonkers walkers. What was happening?
If you were if you were drinking too much, I

(10:18):
get it. I've been there. If it was if it
was just like you couldn't get your words out, I
get it. I've been there. I have to know, Katie,
what was happening. I am going to straight up tell
you it was a mix of things. Yeah, of course
we had had drinks. For sure, there was alcohol in
my system, but I wouldn't say I was wasted by
any means. I'm also narc o optics, so I get

(10:40):
really tired and we pull late late nights there, so
I'm just like a little kid who needs a nap
even during the day. I'm like that. So by that time,
I don't even know what was happening. And then I'm
gonna tell you the truth. At that point, I had
just gotten out of an interview about how I didn't
want to be with Wills, and I thought Wills knew that,

(11:06):
and so then right after that interview, he pulls me
aside to do this little date card thing and I'm like,
oh no, this, And in my head I just was
overthinking it. I was like, oh no, they're gonna make
They're gonna make him look like I'm I'm saying that
I'm going to friend zone him. And then I come
here and like he's doing this for me, like, oh
my gosh, this is horrible. Um, and I and I

(11:30):
guess I wasn't being clear the part I guess you
didn't see. I wasn't being clear enough with him, telling
him I don't really want to do this, and my
producer was like, this doesn't look clear. So then when
they're like this isn't clear, I'm like, I really got
to just be cut throat here. And so that mix
of tired, a couple of glasses of wine. Now I

(11:50):
know I have to like maybe hurt someone's feelings, and
I just talked about them. It was a mix of
just like I cannot handle this, and I just started
speaking in gibberish. I don't know. While while we walk,
I got to get out of here panic mode. My
body went into malfunction and I needed to reboot. Yeah, okay,

(12:11):
so here's something. Uh, it's relatable because the one of
the negatives I think about being on the shows you
always have to be on and there's moments in life
where like it is eleven o'clock at night, you've tired,
you've had a big day, and you do start to
talk to gibberish, like you you have to go to bed,
but you haven't yet for whatever reason. But this is

(12:32):
your moment and it's on television. Oh my gosh. It
was confusing. I was like, I remember coming to the Pockets.
I don't know what I just watched. That was the
wildest thing I've ever seen. But now it makes sense
and it's completely relatable. Yeah, and it's funny because before
that I had Will's had done other date cards for me. Okay,

(12:53):
So it was it looks like it was the first
time that he was pulling me aside. And people are like, ok, Katie,
it's not that deep. But to me, in my mind,
I was like, oh, we've already done a couple of little,
tiny baby dates, so I thought, and I always think
it's a bigger deal. Over empathetic, I was like, I'm
crushing him. But he wasn't that crushed, you know what
I mean, Like, it wasn't that deep. But I was like,

(13:15):
oh no, I'm gonna break his heart and it and
it made me sad. So that that's funny. Yes, So
like you're like, oh my gosh, this poor man distraught
and he's like, all right, well this's just don't work. Yeah,
and he's like it's cool, and I'm like, I don't know,
is it cool? Okay, we gotta talk about Wills for
a second. Um, it's been one of the mysteries our

(13:38):
listeners continue to write in and they send these emails
to us. Why is Will still single? Why does he
go on these shows and it doesn't he doesn't end
up with somebody. I don't know, well Will's personally, Yeah,
what is some of the reasons or what did you
see in Wills that said, all right, this isn't gonna
work for me? Um, I'm a little bit more of

(13:58):
like a m the first few days of Paradise, I
was really bounty and jumping happy, and I think going
into it, Will's had an idea of a couple of
people he liked, and I know that my my happiness
was something that was attractive to him. But he got
really down on himself, um in Paradise, or at least

(14:18):
it seemed to me that he looked defeated, and um,
it didn't come off to me as an as inviting,
So I don't know. It just wasn't an instant thing
for me. And he's a really great guy and he's
actually really really funny, and but there was just some

(14:41):
things that were off for me. So yeah, Well, it
has been a mystery. I think it's gonna always be
a mystery. Imagination on how Will's end up with somebody,
But once again, you have ended up with somebody and
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Coming back with Katie Moe talking about Bachelor in Paradise,
talking about Katie personally because she is somebody worth getting
to know, and also talking about how awesome NAPA is. Katie. Uh,
your time on Paradise I think can be summarized in
one word to me, and that was a roller coaster,
not one word, that's not one word, one phrase, A

(15:47):
roller coaster of emotion. I was feeling for you, kid
the whole time, because I felt like you had really
high moments some like really low moments, like you know,
the Will's conversation was like, ah, I know, you're you
feel like you're crushing him. Some confusing conversations I didn't
know if you and Chris were gonna work at the end.
And then you did walk our listeners through this experience

(16:09):
for you, because we just watched it and kind of
like I felt like every week I was up and
down with you. Was it like that in real life?
It was one? It was like that in real life,
um for me. For Chris, he said he felt more
solid about us the whole time. But you also have
to understand that for me, there was a point where

(16:30):
Chris went on a date with Jen and then Chris
doesn't come back until that Rose ceremony because he was sick. Um.
So I was like, well, uh, it's gonna be a
toss up, guys, like here we go, we're waiting, We're
who's he gonna pick? Um? Because I hadn't gone a
chance to talk to him that week. So and then

(16:52):
throughout that, you know, there were times where Chris would
open up and I felt that we took leaps, and
then there were times where he felt he was opening
up so much he would kind of shut down from
it all. And he's been on this show for a
long time, and I think he would feel emotions starting
to come back and he would start pulling back and retreat, retreat, retreat,

(17:14):
and I was like, where's this guy going. Oh no,
what's happening now? Um, now our relationships taking steps back.
So there was a huge roller coaster going on while
in Paradise um. And also we were kind of chill
and not moving at first. We weren't moving fast enough
for everyone. I think, um, And it's not that I

(17:35):
make relationships move fast for people or not. It's just
that's how for TV purposes, they didn't show a lot
of us because we were boring in the beginning, because
we were just friends getting to know each other, not
making out, just having like conversations about general family and
friends by the pool. So it wasn't something they really
wanted to show because they had a lot more juicy

(17:58):
drama uh ready and available. But it did feel like
a roller coaster of emotions up until the very end
when I started feeling very solid about us, and then
right it was right. But the week before Fantasy suitet
is when I was like, this is really happening, Like
I think, I think it's gonna be a thing, and

(18:19):
then Fantasy Sweet Night comes and it's not about what
exactly goes down in the fantasy sweet but all night
you have no mix, you have a lot of freedom.
And we stayed up all night, ordered as much room
service as possible, and laughed and talked all night long.
And I sat there and thought, Wow, this could be
my husband. This is crazy. But I was smiling, thinking

(18:43):
this is crazy, um, and it became very real. But then,
oh before Fantasy Sweep, we had that talk on the beach,
and that was Chris having a little PTSD moment and
struggling with a out of anxiety, which is something that
a lot of people struggle with, this self sabotaging behavior,

(19:05):
which I did in the beginning. Then I felt really
solid about him, fought for him, and then he had
some self sabotaging behavior in the end. It was like
what if it doesn't work tomorrow? He said something like
that to me. I don't know if it played. I
think it did. Said something like, what if it doesn't
work tomorrow, we might as well end it now if
it's not going to work tomorrow. And I said, that's
not how you do things in life. You don't just

(19:25):
not try because it doesn't because it may not work tomorrow.
Do you want this to work today? Do you want
to be with me tomorrow? How do you feel about
me as a person? And he's like, I want it
to work. I want it to work for a long time,
like I want to be with you. I'm like, well,
that's the answer to your question. It's not what if
it gets worse tomorrow, because if we keep harping and

(19:47):
worrying about the what ifs, we're going to push everything
away that's good and good for us in this life
because we're worrying about it being possibly failing. Was it
all coming from a place of how think now that
you look back on it. Was it all coming from
a place of how much he cared about you? Because
at the time it looked like he's not for sure?

(20:09):
Like from the from a fewer standpoint, is like, I
don't think he's full into this. Looking back, do you
think it was because he cared about you too much?
He was scared? I think that looking back and looking
back now, I think after the show, even a month after,
when I watched that, I I lived it then I
watched it, and I'm like, he wasn't sure, And I

(20:31):
thought that to myself forever. And that's why even on
the reunion, I was like, I felt desperate watching it
back because I felt it a little bit while I
was there, Because while I was there, he was like,
I want someone who's going to be solid about me
and fight for me. And so what did I do?
I was solid about him and I fought for him,
but then he kept retreating and it was very confusing

(20:52):
to me, and to be honest, I'm still our relationship
is not perfect. I'm still navigating a lot of We're
still navigating a lot of things together because that's what
you do. But it helped us to communicate what happened
while we We had to rehash everything about while we

(21:12):
were there after we watched it, because I've we both
felt like we relived it a little bit, especially me,
And that was a little bit of a mistake on
my part because I know how much of stuff is edited,
and I can't just watch back everything and take that
at face value and possibly blame him for some things
that could be edited or whatever the case may be.

(21:32):
But I think it also stemmed from true feelings that
were inside me while I was there. I did feel
a little bit of desperation while I was there because
I was giving so much more than at that time.
I felt he was giving, and that's how it looked
on from a viewer standpoint. Yeah, the last time I
saw you in person was at the Union show. I
was getting ready to go on to be announced as
the Bachelor Life to her host, and I was sitting

(21:54):
out in my trailer and I set up out and
I see you, and I go, oh, I want to go,
say add to Katie. And then I realized that there's
four AM recircling you, and Chris is standing probably fift
from you with his back turned. I at the time
didn't know what was happening because I hadn't seen I
wasn't in the show, I hadn't been inside watching it. Yet.
It was a moment for me where I thought maybe

(22:14):
this was all over me too? You thought I was
going to ask, did you think so too? So? And
this is interesting. I haven't talked about any of this
yet really, so it's hard for so much has happened
then and up until now that it's um all of
these pauses I'm taking or me thinking back. Um. But

(22:37):
in that moment particularly, I felt defeated. I felt part
of me felt sad that I, you know, aired some
of our dirty laundry. But then part of me felt
that we were on a reality TV show and this
was me being reel and it was just this battle
within myself and with each other. Um I was frustrated

(22:59):
in that moment you because I had talked to Chris
about things that we had talked about on the stage
that you didn't get to see, and um, I was
overall very confused that day. I think it was a
day full of confusion. It was full of hurt, um
I and I didn't want it to end the way

(23:21):
it did, and I think that something in me it
obviously had gotten to a point that was um I
wish I could have sat up there and said how
happy I was. I really really do, because I totally
would have. I'm so typically I'm bouncing around everywhere and
just hugging everybody, and I wanted to do that so badly.
But when Chris Harrison started asking me those questions, I

(23:44):
was like, shoot, I can't, I can't. I want to,
I can't. There was a decision up on stage when
you're sitting there, Chris starts asking these questions, and at
that point, you go, if I'm going to be true
to myself and true to my relationship and true to
the story that's been shown for months. I can't fake
these answers. Well, Chris, my CRISP. So sorry, there's your

(24:05):
Christmas My Cris B knew about my dissatisfication dissatisfaction in
the relationship at that time, UM, but I think he
thought that I could kind of push through it. And
we were separated in trailers that day. We didn't get

(24:27):
to spend any time together. And I know a lot
of the couples do, um and I had all day
to think, you know, Katie, are you going to go
up there and just be happy? And you know, just like,
let let things try and make things better. And I
had been trying to make things better and trying to
communicate my feelings the entire time, and nothing was getting better.

(24:50):
So I said, I mean, I owe it to myself
and everybody else to just tell the truth. And it
was nothing bad against Chris in my mind. I didn't
want anyone to all against Christ and boy did people
go against him. And that made me feel so guilty.
I housed so much guilt after that because that wasn't
my intention. My intention was to say, hey, this is
where we're at right now. It's not great, and I

(25:14):
wanted to be good, but this is what I'm getting,
and I just want a little bit more. And I
think you guys have seen a pretty true, true depiction
of our story for the most part, and this is
where we're at right now. And I wanted to be
honest and I thought Chris would agree, but he was
a little bit more shocked than I expected, and um
it it put a little fire under both of our

(25:37):
asses to really put more effort into this relationship. But
it also was a bit of a shock for a while,
shock to the system, you know. I think there is
something to be said about those moments of clarity and intention.
I think it's unique to have it done on national television,

(25:57):
but I also think the world can't compare because everybody
has the opportunity. And for a viewer, I was, I mean,
I guess glad it happened because it helped me understand
you and Chris a little better. Um I think as
as a friend, I think it was also something I
was nervous about because I walked out and I was like,
this is done, Like Chris, I saw Chris turn around

(26:17):
a hand and seen Chris in a while, and he
just kind of walked past me and he said, hey, Ben,
what's up? And I was like, that's not the normal
reaction I would get from him. If if this is
all good? And I saw you and you wave, then
he took off on a golf card. I think, and Katie,
so all of this is the last time I saw you?
Where are you at now? Wow? All of this was

(26:37):
the last time you saw me? Oh man, I feel
like I just had to just dig so deep. We
are so much better now. We're not perfect, We're never
going to be perfect. I'm never going to be I
My relationship with Chris is definitely different than any other
relationship I've ever had, but different isn't bad. It was

(27:00):
something for me. I think that there was a part
of me that was a little immature, um in a
sense to expect it to be like something I've had
in the past. That's um, that's not what love is.
And I had to take a step back and say,

(27:22):
you know what, Katie, like you fell in love with
Christopher Chris, Chris isn't going to be all of a
sudden love e Debby. Chris being sick put a lot
of um wedges in our relationship at first, and I'll
go back to that, because this is why it's sometimes
very hard for me to explain where we're at and
how we got here. Um, when he came off the show,

(27:47):
we were still navigating him being sick and because he
was like, literally the day after our engagement, he was
thrown up. And see that's I want to because Chris
and I have talked about this on the podcast, because
I was sick through my whole time being the Bachelor.
That's when I lost the like thirty five pounds and

(28:07):
I had the parasite and I couldn't like stay in
the bathroom, like I was so sick, and it affected
my whole experience as well. So Chris and I have
related on this, and I know this of how difficult
it is. We don't feel good to then date well,
so so you get that. So and he was trying
to be this man about it and not communicate with

(28:27):
me how bad he was feeling. So he was just like,
I don't feel that well and would shut off a
little bit. And I'm like, we just got engaged. We're
sitting in this beautiful resort, in this pent house, sweet
to ourselves, and he's just chilling in the bathroom throwing
up for two days and I'm staring at the ceiling.
So I'm like, oh my god, does he regret everything

(28:47):
he just did? And it puts these little and since
he's not communicating it with me or how bad he feels,
are I think I need help or I think I
Essentially the relationship was still so new. I'm like, oh
my god, this guy is sick because he's probably anxious
at the fact that he just proposed to me. And
then that's what in my head I started thinking. And

(29:09):
then even um, because even being sick affected the intimacy
of the relationship, and so then the physical part of
our relationship kind of was going could it makes so
much sense now, like how could you be physical when
you're when you want to throw up every second? Or
when he feels like his heart is fluttering? Um, And
but he wouldn't tell me he wanted to throw up

(29:30):
every second. He wouldn't tell me he felt like his
heart was doing this weird flutter. And because I didn't
know that, and because he would just stare off. He
would get cold when he felt really ill, and he
would say, don't touch me right now. And if someone
says don't touch me right now, and you just got
engaged in this is the honeymoon part were supposed to be.
I was beside myself. I'm like, this guy doesn't even

(29:51):
want to be near me, and so all these things.
He didn't realize that all he had no idea that
everything he was saying to protect him himself or to
not tell me how ill he was was making me
feel like I wasn't enough and like I wasn't or
or he didn't like me. And I'm like, he doesn't
like me, but we're engaged now. I'm so lost, um

(30:12):
And I think a lot of it part of my
confusion is the vulnerability of him on the show. He
felt so sick on the show that every time he
was needed to be vulnerable, he was like, let's be vulnerable,
and let's I gotta get vulnerable and do it fast
because I gotta get out of here. I don't feel well.
So when he had finally time with no cameras, he
didn't want to talk at all because he didn't feel good.

(30:33):
But him not feeling good lasted for months and months.
I hadn't even known this guy, but since since I
had only known him for six days before he got sick.
So essentially the whole time in Paradise, I was saying, Oh,
he's gonna get better. He's going to get better. He
doesn't feel well, He's gonna be nicer, he doesn't feel well,

(30:55):
He's going to like all this stuff he's once weeken
him off this this beach. He's not gonna be as
miserab ball. I know it's going to be better because
Chris would he was really loving and he does. He
is loyal to a t and he will go to
war for his family and his friends and for me.
But um, and he had his moments where we would
have so much fun, but there were few and far between,

(31:15):
and I couldn't tell UM if I was going through
something where it was more on the side of an
emotional uh, and I don't want to. I couldn't tell
if I was going through something with someone who was
emotionally unavailable to me, or if I was going through
or if he was actually sick is what it was.

(31:37):
And I was like, is he never going to show
up because emotionally he's unavailable and this is never going
to happen. And I'm crazy to think that these glimpses
that I'm getting are are true or truly a depiction
of what it could be? Or is he actually sick?
And then commit your life and partnering with this person
who you don't you're like not knowing if you're getting

(31:57):
the full picture right. And I thought to myself, did
I just fall in love with potential that may never
come to fruition? And that to me resident I mean
I was. I thought on that for weeks um but
then we went through so much and I told him,
I'm like, listen, when you are sick, we have to
make this fun somehow for you. We have your you,

(32:20):
even if you're sick. You have to live your life
to where you can enjoy some moments, not every part
of you, you being sick can be miserable. Because I'm
going through this with you. I'm not going anywhere, not
for not for now. I like, not for now, I'm
not going anywhere. So I'm going to be here until
you get better. And I want to enjoy my time.

(32:41):
And it doesn't mean we have to jump around and
like hug each other all the time, but like, like,
let's let's be pleasant. Because he was being one of
those grumpy, grouchy sick people and I was like, let's
be pleasant with each other. Let's be let's just just
I'm telling you. I was Chris. I'm telling you, I'm
going to sleep been this hospital chair and it's not comfortable.

(33:04):
I could be grouchy too, but I'm not going to
be because I want you to feel good and I'm
gonna make that hospital. Yeah, this is such a story.
See these are the moments too that helped the find relationships.
So Katie, with all these things, then with the illness
and the paradise, now leading up to today, are you happy? Yes,

(33:25):
I'm happy. And what me and Chris have So here's
some good things about Chris and I because I feel
like everyone always gets here the bad. So when me
and Chris have done that's really great and fun. What
we love to do is try a lot of food.
And I know people are like food that's so basic,
but we um. We love to try and get really
ritzy spots in new cities. So when we were in

(33:46):
New York, we went to this restaurant called res Dora
and it's like booked out for four months. You know,
we try and get He knows people in the food industry.
I think his brother in law owned a couple of
like really high in restaurants. So we try and get
these bots that you just can't get anywhere and go
and have this private meal and order like five different
courses and try it like we are these food critics.

(34:08):
And so we do really fun, cute things and I
enjoy that with him, and we also are very much
home bodies, and um, what's funny is I'm always so
tired that we watch movies together, but we don't actually
watch movies, like he turns the movie on and I
fall asleep before anyone can say one line. But so

(34:29):
those are like some fun things we do. We play
board games, we play Room me Cube together and just
like enjoy each other's company. But it's been a lot
of learning to communicate, especially because I just now that
he's been getting better and feeling better, life has been
getting better, because boy was that daunting. And I felt

(34:49):
like we went through the in sickness and in health part,
Like we went through the sickness part right off the bat.
It was like, here you go, you guys get sickness
today and for the rest of the next few months.
And so I'm really excited to enjoy health and like
navigate the health side of things, because that's when I
feel like I can truly be myself in this relationship.

(35:13):
With the sickness part, I was on edge. I'm on guard.
I'm trying to protect him, trying to make him better.
I'm getting frustrated when he's not getting better for him,
And that's the over empathetic part. I'm like, my whole
body feels for him. So I'm excited that we both
can kind of relax now, because it was also making
him anxious not to know what was going on in
his body. And I get that too. How often you

(35:34):
guys together? Um, not often actually, but I would say
every two weeks. But when yeah, I mean, but when
we see each other. I kinda I like that. But also,
Chris doesn't like talking on the phone. I've gotten him
to face time more so that's made it easier to
be a part um. I'm on a big phone talker either.
I get, Yeah, it's not not much to say after

(35:57):
a while, it's better to face time or or say
it say it in person. So, Katie, you and Chris
are doing well. You're happily engaged. You've been through You've
been through some stuff since Yeah, we've been doing some illness.
Now we're getting in the health side of things, and
I think there's only an up and up for you.
So outside of relationship with Chris, uh and outside of

(36:20):
the Bachelor ward, what are you up to that you
can tell us or UM that you're excited about. UM.
For all the listeners out there who are huge fans
of years, what can they be looking forward to? UM?
A lot of stuff. So I've been doing. UM. I
had an event it was called well Arrested. I did
it with the brand name Kendra Scott. It was all
about sleep in the Sleep Initiative. I'm really into the

(36:42):
sleep side of health. I believe in fitness and die
at a percent, but if you don't have sleep, then
it means nothing. UM. I've struggled with narcolepsy for so
for how long has been wove fifteen years I was
diagnosed with it, so UM, it was really important to
bring sleep to the forefront and UH so that was exciting.

(37:03):
But also I actually just got booked on a movie
and that's a boast, but that's just awesome. We want
to celebrate podcast. Congratulations. Thanks. I I'm not speaking that
I know of yet, but I'm like one of the
lead dancers for a movie that one of my favorite

(37:26):
actresses is in Meryl Streep. So see, Katie, that's so cool.
I'm really pumped to actually like I'm smiling like I
really should be. That's a huge accomplishment. Yeah, thank you, Katie.
You gotta keep crushing it. You gotta keep coming on
the podcast. Um, thanks for just being you. Thanks for
coming on today. I'm so excited to be able to

(37:47):
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(39:59):
It's Adam Dull the Act. Adam, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you for having me. Uh. You're here for a
couple of reasons. One is you've had a ton of
success and it it makes sense. Your songs are incredible,
but there's a bachelor tie in here recently, um that
I want to talk about. You chose to have Colton
and Cassie in your most recent video Famous. Why I

(40:20):
did so? I put a song called Famous out earlier
this year and with it with it being I was
an independent artist at that time. I'm now signed to
to Sony Music in Nashville. And Uh, Colton and Cassie
were on the on the way to ask and on
a road trip and they took a video with their
phone basically just kind of bob in their head listening
to Famous and like we don't know the words but

(40:41):
we love this song, and they just kind of put
it on Instagram and as you know, like a lot
of my friends sent it to me said look who's
posting about your song? And so I reached out to
them and said, hey, thank you guys so much, and
we've kind of kept in touch ever since then. I
think that was March or April. And uh so you
don't always get to make a music video for the song.
You know, has to be pretty successful, especially as an

(41:01):
independent artist at that time, to to go put the
money into a music video and get to do that.
So when it came time, um, alright, we were talking
instead it would be cool to have some famous people
with it being called famous in the video. And I
remember that they were the first person ever to post
about the song and to shout it out to their
fans and all that stuff. So we you know, they
were my first choice to ask, and I asked him

(41:22):
and they wanted to do it and the only person
I had to ask, and it worked out great. Yeah,
obviously this is a Bachelor focused podcast, and so we're
always a huge supporter when somebody seems to highlight Bachelor
Nation in new genres. But for you famous is obviously
the song that's hot right now and will continue to
be hot for for months, overally, years, decades to come.

(41:43):
But this isn't your first hit. You've had a ton
of songs in the past. Tell anybody out there listening
who is maybe familiar with you or not coming some
of your history, uh, and and some of the songs
you've came out with for for the last couple of years. Yeah.
I put music out for the first time in two
thousand seventeen. And when you do that, it's it can
be a little bit scary. You don't really know if
people are gonna like the songs or love the songs

(42:04):
or hate the songs. You just you know, the fans
are never wrong, and most people have a boss and
nine or five boss or something. As an artist, we
just have fans. If they love it, then we're doing
our job right, you know. Um. And the first thing
I ever put out was a song called Whiskey is
Fine and uh, still one of my favorites the scene
to this day and a big reason I'm still I'm
still doing this, I think is is that song. It's
sold like forty copies opening week. I remember specifically Chipper

(42:27):
Jones retweeted it when it came out. He was my
favorite baseball player growing up. Um, and we put out
a bunch of songs. Uh. The serious Sex in the
Highway has been really good to us as long with Spotify. UM,
and Whiskey's Fire was a single. There's a song called
Bigger than Us that was a single. Uh, and all
that stuff still out now. So it's just kind of
been building and building building for the last two or
three years. And luckily Famous is doing, uh, you know,

(42:50):
better than any of those songs have before, and we're
able to keep rolling with it. You're from Haiti Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
I say there Hattiesburg, Mississippian of landa Brett Farf I
was gonna say. And you followed his footsteps to Southern
Mississippi University, where uh, you played baseball, And I heard
an interesting story about you. You're you're a good baseball player.

(43:12):
You got hurt and at that time your your whole
life kind of switched. Um. I had a similar story.
I played football, blew out my knee in my life
switch and I know how that's affected me this day.
Tell us a little bit about what that transition was
from a baseball player to an artist. Well, you know,
obviously playing baseball, and I've had a little bit of

(43:33):
a random, uh journey to get to where I'm at.
I had a full ride to play golf in high school,
so I actually quit all the sports, uh, focused on
golf all the way through my junior year of high school.
I got a four ride of Delta State in North Mississippi,
and my friends talked to me into playing baseball in
high school the day of the first game my senior

(43:54):
year of high school, so I literally, I remember I
left the basketball court, walked out, filled in a bucket
of ball, hit a bucket of balls, and started in
the game that night. What just doing it for fun.
I was at a smaller school, kind of just not
thinking anything would come of it. And long story short,
I was six four, I was left handed, had a
good year. Southern miss was in Hattiesburg, in the same

(44:15):
town that really the only school that even knew I
played baseball, And towards the end of the year they
called me offered me a scholarship, and I literally I said,
shut up. I thought they were kidding. I really was like, no, no,
You're not giving me a scholarship, and they did. And
so I called this golf coach back. He had given
me a full ride for golf. Calling back, I say, hey,
I'm gonna go play baseball. I can play golf Tom
ninety and so that's how I ended up in baseball,

(44:38):
and you know, landed there. Three years later, we're playing
in the college World Series. Um, I had never really
watched the college World Series growing up. So I'm walking in.
There's thirty thousand people just screaming at me. It's just insane.
Oh Maha, was just such a good time. And that's,
you know, a feeling that I'm still kind of chasing
in music really, that that that crowd, that that energy,
you know. But I didn't even you know, at that time,

(45:00):
I didn't sing or play guitar either. So I'm doing
the baseball thing. I've been a drummer in my whole life,
always been a big music lover, but never really stepped
into the spotlight of it, you know. And so my
roommates in college, two of which are on the World Series,
the Nationals. They just won the World Series, which is
pretty awesome. Um, they all had guitars, they all played guitar.
So when they would leave, I would pick up a guitar,

(45:21):
teach myself and they would just kind of hear me
singing along around the house. And they actually booked my
first shows for me. They actually went around. I was
scared to sing in front of anybody who was this
um So Brian Doser who was on the nationals Um
and Anthony run Down, he wasn't He's not a roommate,
but he played at Rice, so we played against him

(45:42):
every year. Um and George Springer on the Astros. I
played in the Cape cod with actually, so I'd pretty
much this root for the teams my buddies around now.
But yeah, I just they I was scared to do it.
We booked shows, I showed up, a lot of other
people showed up. It went really great from from the
early get go of when I started, even if I
wasn't good at that time. The comment I got was, hey,

(46:04):
you have a really cool or unique voice, and it
was something that I just kind of gravitated towards and
tried to write my songs using that something different, you know,
And so I just kind of kept at it, and
before I knew it, I'm I'm moving to Nashville and
I've been there for seven years now and it's been
a slow, slow built, slow bill. But everything you know,
it's kind of working out how it should. I think
your stories, I'm I'm so intrigued. You mean, let's summarize

(46:29):
this for a second. Don't you make any sense. You're
a golfer who gets a full ride scholarships, who picks
up a baseball who gets a Division one scholarship to baseball,
who picks up a guitar, who then becomes like a
full musician. I wish I had the skills you had.
I just talking to Mike for a living good point.

(46:49):
But you do it a lot better than I do. Man.
I think that's in just a side note here. My
girlfriend just her brother just recently won the College World
Series of Vanderbilt. So I've heard the stories of how
crazy it was this year. That was this year, so
full circle moment for me. Uh played in it back
in two thousand nine. This year Kyle Peterson, who used
to be a professional player and now announces for the

(47:10):
College World Series in ESPN, he had heard famous. They
called me and they said, well, you write the theme
the theme song for the College World Series this year.
So they called me like a month before, and I did.
I wrote it. If you watched it this year, you
heard it probably without even knowing. It's a song called
Key to the City. And I haven't I know exactly
what you're talking about. Yeah, I haven't actually released it yet,
but that's me singing. And I wrote that song with

(47:31):
a couple of my buddies, and I think it's going
to be the song for the next like five or
ten years. That's amazing. Yeah, because when I watched his
videos now, like the flashbacks and everything, like, that's what's
playing in the background. That's the song of the world series.
Oh wild man, this is crazy, Adam. I am a
huge fan of you. I have to admit um. I
want to know one thing. We're gonna give Cassie a

(47:51):
call here in a second, bring her on talk about
this song and everything else. I think a lot of
our listeners relate with your story, where dreams have shifted,
maybe things have change in their life. What is it
like now to be a guy from Mississippi who's obviously
had success, uh and gone to high high places and
everything he's he's kind of gone after What it's like

(48:12):
sitting in Napa Valley. After you've played at the brunch
Um at Live in the Vineyard, knowing that you have
fans all across the country that your songs will will
undoubtedly be very successful, do you ever just take a
second look around and go, how in the world did
I get here? I do that all the time as
a matter of fact. Uh, It's it's really amazing. It's

(48:34):
I try to stop as often as I can just
to kind of say, tell myself, how lucky him to
get to do what I love for a living and
to have, you know, like you say, fans, were able
to kind of go around around the country now and
sell tickets and and play for these fans. We have
some of the best fans in the world. And it's
it's an amazing feeling. It's it's a time in my
life right now where I'm getting to do a lot
of first you know, all these places I wanted to play,

(48:55):
just like Napa. You know, I've heard of this event
for a long time, and all these things that I've
always wanted to do or just kind of starting to happen,
and it's just such a dream come true. And I'm
just I'm just really really lucky to get to do
what I get to do. You know, I'm not overstepping.
I live in Denver. One day when you come to
Red Rocks, I'm gonna be out there on the front
row scream in your name. But that's my dream, that's
my dream venue. That's the first. One of the first

(49:17):
CD has I ever had was Dave Matthews Band Live
at Red Rocks. I think it was. And it's like,
I remember, my brother gave it to me for Christmas,
and I just I listened to it for years and
years and years. So it's always been I've been there,
but never actually been to a show there or played
a show there. I I will be front row when
that happens, and and I think it will be happening
very soon at least it should be. Um, your very
first concert ever was in Sync? Are you still an

(49:38):
in Sync fan? Yeah? Everybody's an in Sync fan. I'm
I'm big Justin Timberlake fan. Yeah. I got a bit
of a man crushed on Justin Timberlake. Little envious of
that guy though. Yeah, he's threat, he can do everything. Yeah,
I get a little angry when I see him. You know. Well,
I play in a couple of golf tournaments every year
and playing in UH the Diamond Resorts UH Celebrity Challenge
this year in Orlando, and Timberlake is going to be there.

(50:00):
And the problem with Timberlake is he's good looking, he
can dance, he can sing, entertain the crowd, and he's
really good at golf, and so all of those things
are things I'd always want to be that he is,
and it makes me very angry. Well, i've never met him.
I hope he doesn't make me angry when I meet him,
But I would love to play golf with the guy,
that's for sure. Is he really good like scratch good
or yeah, he's pretty good. He's like he's probably a

(50:21):
two two handicapped. So one day we'll get out there
and play golf Adam once again. Before we bring Cassie on.
Adam's song is Famous. It's now available, the video is
out there, and on this video is one of our favorites,
Cassie Randolph. Cassie, I watched the video. It's awesome. Uh,
It's it's super well done. I love it. I think

(50:43):
it's great. Tell us about your experience working with Adam
and in this guy that you seem to know pretty well.
Named Colton, Ah, this guy named colt um No. We
had such a great time filming it. It was honestly
one of the more fun things that I have ever
done to get there, I think, um And honestly it
was just like hanging out all day with friends. I

(51:04):
didn't feel like we were working one bit. But yeah,
we had blasts the Adam before you came on. Adam
was talking about just how big a support as you've
been to him, and how you know you're one of
the first people to to really put this this song
out there. Did you ever expect kind of putting it
out on social media with then come full circle back

(51:27):
to you being in the music video. Oh my gosh,
no clue at all. I had had no idea. Um,
we were just did Adam didn't already tell the story
of how it happened kind of a little bit, but
you can you can go a little bit. Okay. Well,
we were just on our way to Aspen and the

(51:47):
song came on the radio and we didn't even know
the lyrics yet, but we were like, oh wow, that
sounds like it's going to be a really great song.
So we listened to it over and over and over again.
So of course we had the story it and UM
tagged at him. I'm so happy we tagged you. Oh
my gosh, Um. But yeah, and then it turned into
this and I had no idea what turned into this.

(52:10):
So I'm so glad it did. And I saw the
actual um Instagram story video today. Actually someone posted it
accounts and it was one of the fan accounts. Yeah,
I saw that. I was like, why do you still
have that? They are on their game and if you
if you were to post something for three seconds and
de lete it, they have it. They got it by
the time. Be cau be careful. So Adam, I have

(52:33):
to ask you. Cassie's on line. I watched the video
and obviously Cassie and Colton are together and and they're
a great couple and they're happy together. But there was
something about watching this video, like when they gave each
other the eyes, it like took me back, Like it obviously,
you know, it's it's a video, but they did such
a good job at really kind of showing how much

(52:54):
they cared, just how interesting they were. I've been telling
telling people this whole time. I don't think they had
to do much acting in this video. They just seem
very much just really happy and very much in love,
and it's it's cool to watch. I also say, I've
said this a few times, but you don't want to
be unhappy with your current relationship and be around Colton
and Cassie. It's not a good place to be, you know.

(53:15):
That is such a compliment. Is a compliment to you, Cassie.
I mean, tell us a little bit about what's going
on with you and Colton right now. I mean for
Adam to say that and say that if you haven't
any troubles, don't be around you guys, because things seem
so good. Are they good? No? Yeah, things are really
great with us. We're just having fun and enjoying our

(53:35):
time together and kind of enjoying how it's been a
little bit slower recently, not traveling too much. Well, he's
actually traveling right now, so that's a lie. I'm still busy,
but it's been We're doing really good, such an awesome thing. Well, Cassie,
I want to say thanks for coming on the podcast. Also, uh,

(53:55):
thanks for being a supporter of a great artist, m
Adam Duliac with the famous Cassie Uh to send us
off here. I always like to do is w gonna
put you on the spot. You got thirty seconds or
less to sell somebody on why they should become a
massive fan of Adam. Oh boy here, Oh this will
be easy because Adam is not only one of the

(54:20):
most talented people that I've met, but he all so
is such a great person. And I think knowing the
person behind the music and um it really makes a
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one of Bachelination's most beloved couples, Joe and Kindle, with

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us in Napa Valley, talking about their most recent project
with the Scene dating app. Welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
Thanks for having us. We uh, we were chatting a
little bit before you came on the podcast about this app,
and I think only you two can explain it. You

(57:17):
explain it so well to me, and I think our
listeners are going to be shook with how great it is,
scary it is tell us Kendall tell us about the
Scene Dating app. So, the scene Dating app is um
basically transparent dating. And what I mean by that is
that all of your conversations that you have with the
people that you match on the app, and all of

(57:37):
the video chats you have with um the people you
have on the app are seen by everybody else who
is on the app. So it's very um so nothing
is hidden pretty much, it's very out there for the
world to see. You have to step out of your
comfort zone, which is very scary, but at the same
time actually produces is quality, you know. I mean, that's

(58:03):
what we had to do. So the scene dating app
is uh just launched this week on the App Store.
It's called Seen s e n UH. So let's start
at the beginning. Dating apps have been around for a while.
You've been able to swipe right swipe left for a
long time. Uh. There's obviously some great things about that,

(58:24):
some uh, some beautiful relationships that are formed, and there's
also some negatives. And one of those main negatives is
a couple of the keywords that we throw a dound,
like ghosting, some inappropriate pictures, messages getting thrown around, maybe
two aggressive behavior, what this app does, from what I'm
understanding from you, is this app allows transparent dating to

(58:44):
be at the forefront. So as we like to say
in vatter Nation, you have to be there for the
right reasons. Yes you have. You definitely have to be
there for the right reasons because there's no hiding. And UM,
I feel like with Joe's in my relationship, because it
was so public, we found strength and vulnerability. And I
feel like the app does the same thing. You are
able to build meaningful and honest relationships. Um. And it's

(59:07):
a scary thing. I mean, with Joe and I was
extremely scary to have a public relationship and have everyone
else's opinions. UM. But at the end of the day,
I felt like it allowed us to um live at
the edge of our comfort zone, which made it so,
you know, we have a really successful relationship with nothing
to hide. Well. And and there's so many apps out

(59:27):
there are so many dating apps in you know, you
don't know who is serious. And this is actually for
people that really want to date. And because you're able
to be transparent on this app, it allows other people,
oh wow, this guy actually isn't a jerk. He's not
here to get more Instagram followers, or just to look

(59:51):
up he actually wants to meet somebody, and then with
that knowledge you can say, Okay, now I can actually
take this person seriously, so you could allow yourself to
be vulnerable, opposed to on the other apps, In my opinion,
it feels like you have to be guarded because you
don't know what's real and what's not. I can see
somebody out there listening right now, going wait, this seems

(01:00:13):
scary and it seems incredibly intrusive. What would your responsibly
and it could be it kind of is. I mean,
it is scary, and that's the exciting part. You know,
I wouldn't we Kendall and I I don't think we'd
be involved if it wasn't a little scary. Yeah, And
I think it's also we wouldn't be involved if it
wasn't something that we've been through personally ourselves. And um,

(01:00:34):
I think the scary part it's not as scary as
it appears. You kind of get used to the fact that, Okay,
my conversations are going to be public, and if you
have nothing to hide and you have true intentions, then
you know it's just allowing other people to see how
you are with conversations, how you are with you know,
in person in these video video connections that you have
with people. Um. And also when you get further on

(01:00:57):
in the app, it's it's you get to have private
messages and you could, you know, exchange phone numbers privately.
So it's not like you're going to be take advancing
your relationship like you know, all publicly and but you're not.
It's for people that aren't trying to hide anything. Yeah,
you know, you're just you're going out there, You're being yourself,
You're showcasing yourself and if somebody's into you, great. I

(01:01:22):
love the idea of this. I think this thing is
so scary. I think it feels so uncomfortable, But I
do think it eliminates some of the biggest issues with
online dating and social media. I think that's what it
does is allows us all to be our truest versions ourselves.
Hopefully also are most polite and well behaved versions of ourselves.
But here's what I know could happen with me right

(01:01:42):
We're in Napa Valley right now, so wine is flowing.
I could see myself drinking a little too much and
saying something that I regret or maybe that I would
disprove of the next morning. Is it out there for
everybody to see forever? We have all been there. I
have definitely had those moments with my stories where I
wish I could I've deleted them. But the same thing

(01:02:04):
is with the scene app. So you can delete messages.
The thing is you don't want to make a habit
of deleting all of your messages because like a permanent record.
So if you delete multiple messages, people are like, Okay,
well this person is deleted ten messages. There's a reason
for that. That brings up a red flag. Now, if
you know you get drunk every three months and you
get a little wild, yeah, you have to live in

(01:02:28):
l A to do this, So for right now, you
have to live in l A to be a participant
in the dating world of the site. But anybody can watch.
Anyone can watch, anyone can kind of um see what's
going on. Um. But Seen is going to be spreading
to different cities soon, So we're going to be expanding,
We're going to be reaching more cities, and we're excited
about that. We're excited for a lot more people to

(01:02:50):
be able to have this experience. Because I think it's
I think it's just a new way of dating that
it's almost a new traditional way of dating. Yeah, I
think it's So is it free? Then if I'm gonna
just sit and watch, I have a note here that
you can you can follow the hashtag real Connections on
social media to see some of the connections being made

(01:03:11):
and some of the people involving themselves on the scene app.
But I don't want to just watch and pay for
the app. So is it free? It is free? It
is free, Yes, it is free, but there is an
option um to go to pay for the advanced version
of the app, which has a lot of different perks
to go along with that. I am am a true
fan of this. If I was single, I could see
myself using this app. It seems like once again scary,

(01:03:34):
It seems super vulnerable. It probably is both. But I think,
as kindall You've said many times when I've been around you,
it's when you Okay, you're gonna have to fix this
for me, but you step out of your comfort zone
is when life truly begins. Yes, life begins at the
edge of your comfort zone. And well, I feel like
I feel like being a part of the bachelor world.

(01:03:56):
We are no strangers to living beyond our comfort zone,
maybe sometimes far on our comfort zone, and sometimes that's
the best place for growth. So I think that this
is something that I love. UM that is reaching to
a lot more people that are able to have the
experience of pushing themselves and doing something that does feel
a little bit scary. Who doesn't want a date and

(01:04:17):
date people with nothing to hide? Yeah, come on, it's awesome.
Before we let you go. I know our listeners big
seems great. We should definitely use it, and they will be.
But then they also be like, what is going on
with Joe and Kindle right now? How is life? Life
is great? Life is great. We're going to be going
to Japan in a few days, two days, which has

(01:04:37):
been a dream of ours for such a long time,
ever since we met. We wanted to go, so um,
we're just excited to travel and to um. I mean,
of course, we're living together in West Hollywood, so yeah,
my podcast down to date that I've been doing as well,
So we're creating a fun little life together. So we
want to adopt a dog in December. This is something
that I've been anticipating for quite a long time. We're

(01:04:59):
going to Chicago for Thanksgiving. There's a lot of things.
You're adopting a dog, This is a big deal where
we're we're adopting a dog when we get back from
Japan and a dog that does not chat. Okay, Well,
Joe and I have had experience, UM have had experienced
fostering dogs, and so I've had to like nurse puppies
back to health and do all of that. So I

(01:05:19):
know the hard part of um owning a dog and
potty training and all that. So I'm excited to actually
have a dog that's a permanent part of our family
and that doesn't break my heart whenever they have to leave.
So I, uh, this is always this question is never
framed correctly. But your lives will never be fully what
they were before. It's just not possible. Your life can
has continue to move on, and there's been new experiences

(01:05:41):
and new successes and new things. So the question then
is has life at this point started to feel like
a new normal? Have you started to feel uh content
and you like, are you understanding what your relationship looks
like outside of the pressures of the fame? Yeah? Absolutely,
I think when we've got off the show. You know,

(01:06:02):
obviously it's it's a little difficult at the beginning, but
for the most part, I think we've done a pretty
good job of really not paying attention to any of
anybody's outside opinions and any of the noise and just
really we have clicked kind of from the beginning. And
it's honestly, it's really just been easy and it's been surprising.

(01:06:27):
And I'm not gonna complain. Like our lives are good,
Like we live really like a really nice life, and
it's just yeah, and I think it's and I think
it has a huge part to do with having the
strength in each other going through everything. Um, but I
think we're just taking the opportunity of what everything is
and just kind of enjoying it together. It's kindle you happy, Yeah, Yeah,

(01:06:51):
very much happy. Happy. Couldn't be happier. Hey, Well, thanks
for coming on. Thanks are talking about seeing once again?
Seen UH is now available to download. It's the scene
dating app where transparency is key. UH. Make sure you
go download it. If you're out there looking, you're single,
ready to mingle and UH and you're looking for a

(01:07:11):
good time. Hey, Joe Kendall, Thanks come on. Scene Dating
is the next generation dating app for online daters fed
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(01:07:32):
dating means a new, innovative and honest approach to dating,
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(01:07:56):
complete personality and charisma, and let's you choose, let yourself
be seen and enjoy the safest, most positive and respectful
dating environment ever created. We're definitely missing Ashley. That's not
a secret. We always do, but I'm telling you. This
was a star studied podcast live from the Carnaros Resort

(01:08:20):
in Napa Valley, Nappa. Once again, Uh, you continue to
impress me. This is a special place and if you
haven't been to the Carnaris Resort and Napa it is
definitely definitely worth going to. I think this might be
one of the most beautiful places I've ever set foot.
We've been on the rooftop of our house that is
rented in this resort all night um podcasting and it

(01:08:41):
has been something really special. So once again thanks to
the Carnaris Resort in Napa Valley. Also thanks to the
new dating app Scene Dating. We talked about it with
Joe and Kendall as you just heard. Uh that is
a dating app. I think that will rock the world. Hey,
we're in Napa Valley live in the Vineyard Music Festival
with Avague, Levin, Kelsey Ballerini, Marin Morris, Adam Lambert and

(01:09:04):
many more. I'm telling you we're gonna have a great time.
Thanks to Joe, Kendall and Katie for coming on the
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