Not Your Average BARBeque

Part one of Peter’s finale and we’ve got two of his girls with us to break it all down. Savannah and Sydney are hanging out with Ben & Ashley to discuss EVERYTHING about the woman who stole the show… Peter’s mom Barb! Was she too emotional???

Ben gives us his honest reaction to Barb’s discussion about faith with Madison. And Ashley shares her theory about Hannah Ann.

Plus we hear their predictions for part 2!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with R Radio. Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. The
second to last episode of Peter season where Ashley and
I have the pleasure of sitting down with Savannah and
Sydney from this season of the Bachelor. But that's not all.
This is gonna be a wild episode. We're gonna dig

(00:21):
into everything that is Peter and Peter's season. Ashley, how
are you doing? I am mind boggled? How are you?
Why are you mind boggling? And I've never reacted to
an episode like I did last night Twist interns, just
how total a little bit. I can't believe that after

(00:44):
this entire season of saying that Peter's mom Barbara was
crying over Madison, I find out that she was crying
over Hannah An, the last person I feel like she'd
should cry over. Is a little weird. So let's before
we bring on our guest for today's podcast, Ashley, Let's

(01:05):
start at the beginning. First off, I'm currently on tour
right now. I'm in Minneapolis tonight, and I want to
tell you this. Actually, I always love sharing this with
you because it's true. I was just and we did
our Washington stint last week, and you have so many
friends and so many fans in Washington. People love you
on the Pacific, in the Pacific Northwest. It's so nice.
Thank you, Thank you to all you guys thinking out

(01:28):
That's so sweet, big almost famous fans. It's actually wild
how we do these shows and afterwards, how many people
come up and say, I listen to your podcast, I
love your podcast. My mom and I listen to your podcast.
We love our your podcast, listen to it together. So
I just want to give you that, Actually you don't
get to be around it right now, um like I do.
And I just want you to know that you have
a lot of people that love you out there. So

(01:48):
here's what I think you're people that love you. Expect.
Let's break down why this was so emotionally taxing on you,
because we expect. I thought you were going to say,
on Barbara, I have a couple of theories for Barbara,
and so let's sit here before we bring our guests
and talk a little bit about Barbara and her interaction

(02:09):
with Peter. Was her emotions, I guess I want to
say stop here. Actually it felt a little bit heavy
for me because it felt a little bit unwise for
her to be so confident in her opinion of Madison
without actually getting to be around her very long at all. No, Actually,
what I thought was weird is that she did have

(02:31):
more time with Madison then she's had with Hannah Ann,
because she got that whole date, the first date of
the season with Madison, and she seemed so in love
with Madison during that date that that's the reason that
I assumed this entire season that she was crying over Madison,
because I was like, that woman has probably thought about
Madison the entire season. She's expected him to end up

(02:53):
with her, and that's the only reason that I couldn't
imagine like such an emotional outburst is because she's been
tied to this idea for so long. So then to
see that she was reacting to um Hannah and being
quote a perfect angels sent from Heaven for Peter after

(03:14):
an afternoon with her, I was just be fumbled. You're
easily swayed during this process, and I get it. My
mom had a really hard time because you love your son,
you want to see what's best for your son. All
of a sudden, you're your son who you care for
and love shows up to a house with two women saying, hey, mom,
in a week or two days or whatever it is,

(03:36):
I could be getting down on one knee and proposing
to one of these women. It's a lot to take in.
So before we just jump on Barbe's case and we're
like and and Ashley and I are not doing that.
We're what we're saying is it was odd. It It
was hard to watch, but I get it because I
know how hard those moments are. The issue here, I think,

(03:59):
and are about tell you this to your face. Is
it felt a little manipulative. And I think when Peter
sitting there going mom, please stop, Mom, Please stop, Mom,
Please stop saying this, he really just wants to like
be like you wouldn't use privacy of your home and
just yell and be like, Mom, you are making a
fool of yourself. You're making a fool of me. I

(04:21):
know how this is gonna look. This is awful, You're
not right, But I can't yell at you because that
looks terrible. So I'm just gonna beg you, mom, please
stop crying. Please stop being so confident in your choice,
because you have no clue what you're doing. Yeah. So
so many things. I'm overwhelmed. Overwhelming is not, I don't
think an unpopular opinion. Right now, speaking of overwhelming, we
have to really special talk about earlier Savannah and Sydney.

(04:43):
I'm sure they've watched the episode, and if they haven't, well,
I don't know what they're doing with their lives. They're
on Peter season of The Bachelor, they're released a few
weeks ago, UM fan favorites, and they're nice enough to
come in and talk to us today. Ashley, you're in
studio with them right now, and so I'm gonna let
you take it away, kind of guide them through this conversation.
I think we should talk all things hand and all

(05:04):
things Madison, all things barbed, and then let's get a
feel for how I guess they expect Peter to handle
these last couple of moments. But before we do, let's
take a break and talk about one of our sponsors.
So we have Savannah Mullins and Sydney high Tower in

(05:26):
studio with us right now. Let's start with you. Savannah.
Please just remind fans out there as they're listen to
the podcast how they would know you. Maybe your most
memorable moment during Peter's season and then what week you
were asked to go back to your family. Okay, that's
a nice way of putting it. Go see your family now. Um.

(05:47):
So you might not remember me very much because I
wasn't shown to too much. I was the buttery, flaky girl.
UM on night one, I was you know, I had
a lot of you know, just my moments, the quirky
side of me. Um. I didn't really have too much
time on the show. I left, so it was um

(06:08):
week four that I got eliminated. And then Sydney. Wow,
where do I even begin? Um? I think one are
my most memorable moments? Um, probably the moment in Costa
Rica with me and Tam Tam. That was pretty memorable. UM,
I guess you know, me and Peters one on one.
To me, that was my most memorable moment. I'm not

(06:30):
sure for viewers, but yeah, I left what two weeks
before Hometowns? So yeah. UM. Can I address something like
a weird rumor that has floated around about you, Peter?
Of course? Why are some people convinced that you guys
had sex in that lake? I think because one of
the um, it was actually funny. One of the teasers

(06:51):
before this show even started, was like kind of just
like a voiceover of some of the girls being like,
the night I got home from my one on one,
I was in a bathing suit, so of course I
walked and all the girls are just like, what the hell, Like,
why are you in a bathing suit? Blah blah blah.
Um it was because of obviously me and Peter had
like our night portion in the hot spring. But anyways,
Victoria f and some girls were just like, oh my gosh,

(07:13):
she had sex with Peter. Da da da da, which
was completely false. But I think that they were just
using that and like the scene with me and Peter
was just do me. Yeah, it would be one of
the most wild things I think any contestant would ever
choose to do, would be to have any type of
physical intimacy during the season, because the truth is there's

(07:34):
about twenty five people watching you, so this just not
is never an intimate moment. Yeah, I that was wild
to even hear that. Um, but no, definitely that was false. Well,
Sydney and Savannah, I want to hear from you. Guys
actually have been chatting a bunch behind the scenes here.
You obviously have left the season Uh, your experience on

(07:57):
the show is one that for most of fans they
will remember. But now that you've been gone and you've
watched it back, have your emotions and your feelings towards
Peter changed or towards the season. What's kind of your
take on this season so far? Um, So, watching it back,
it was it's kind of hard because I felt like,

(08:17):
for me, I, let you know, being in front of
the camera just like really get the best of me.
Like I had a hard time with the cameras and so,
you know, seeing his relationship with other people and feeling like,
you know, I could have easily had that with him.
It was really tough to watch back, just because I
you know, I didn't want to say a self sabotage,
but you know, I kind of just got in my

(08:37):
head too much. But yeah, I mean watching it back,
I still feel the same about him. I think he
was incredibly kind and just a very compassionate person. And yeah,
if anything, I just have more love and respect for
him as a person watching it back. So watching it now,
I think I have a lot more. Um, I don't know,
I feel for Peter a lot more than I did

(08:59):
when I was in this show because you know, I
was so focused on him and just him and I
and I wasn't really thinking of all the stuff, every
single thing that he had to go through. So I
think looking back now, I can see like he's going
through so much, and um, I have like just more
compassion for him, um than I did when we were
you know, I was dating him. But um, it has

(09:20):
been a crazy season. It's definitely been um one that
I don't think a lot of people expected. I think
they expected this season to be kind of like more
relaxed and chill because Peter is just like such a
good guy. But um, the group of girls, we are
very opinionated and I'm all very different. So I think
it's been um it's been interesting for everyone you know
to watch. Um. Okay, So this whole season, I felt

(09:45):
very disconnected towards Hannah and I just I don't get her.
I don't know her, I don't see there, I don't
see this connection between them. I think in part it's
because his connection with Maddie has been so strong at like,
I discredit whatever he has with other people because I
know what feels the most strong, Like I know Peter

(10:08):
in love, and that is when he's with Maddie. So
I kind of just like, Okay, everybody else's far second place.
So me feeling like that the entire season. I wonder
why Barbara felt so attached to her with just such
a little man of time. I want to know from
you guys who spent time with Hannah Ann in the

(10:28):
in the house, is this something is like, is Barbara
the norm here? Or my the norm here? Like? How
easy or heart is it to connect with Hannah? And yeah, um,
you know, I never really got too close to handing.
I think none of us really got super super close
to her. She was always super focused and you know,
you have so much time in the house with the girls,
so like a lot of us got really close, you know, um,

(10:51):
but Hannah and never really got that close to anyone,
you know, which is fine because her goal was Peter
and that's fine. But no, I totally get where you're
coming from because I never had any kind of connection,
not really many of the girls did. Um. So for
Peter's mom to like instantly have that with her, it
was like I was I was also just like wait, what,
Like that was fast, you know, especially because she had

(11:13):
met Madison, you know, on their first one on one
they had like such a great time. Yeah, and they
were like like she was like I loved loved her.
So I was like, oh, when Madison sees them, agin
like it's going to be like, oh, like great, we
can't wait to see you again. Like and I thought
also the whole time Barb was talking about Maddie when
she was like bring her home to us, and that
shook so like you on the season, being part of

(11:35):
the season, they thought that Barb was referring thousand percent
absolutely yeah, I thought so as well. I mean with
Hannah Anne, you kind of have to like force that
friendship almost like she's very standoffish and um at the beginning,
you know, it was maybe like a weekend to it.
I finally was like Hannah, and like, who are you
as a person? I need to know, because you know,

(11:56):
she obviously had all that time on night one she
got the first pressure Rose. I was like, you know,
Peter must really have an attachment to her, and I
want to know who she is as a person. So
finally I just was like, hey, like I want to
know who you are. Just was like blunt, and she
finally started opening up to me, and I got to
see these sides of her where you know, he kind

(12:16):
of expressed it last night, like where she's just like
so innocent but has this confidence and it's just like
very admirable, and um, yeah, I just I really liked
her as a person and she's just very kindhearted. So
I mean I can see why Barb would be attached
to her because like once you get like once she
opens up even a little bit, you're like, wow, like
you're just like the sweetest person ever, so very sweet, Ben,

(12:40):
How would your mom be if, um, there was one
girl that was just so expressive about her feelings and
another one that was showing doubt, would she would that
doubt in her head, would that doubt that was being
expressed just m m, just like discredit that girl? Well,
I mean, actually that's a good question. I think it's

(13:02):
difficult and we often understand that, as I said at
the beginning of the podcast, it's hard for a mom
to be in this situation. And I do think you
have a high expectations walking in to meeting these women
because you know the way of what's about to happen.
So if you have one girl who isn't showing the
love and the confidence in your son, and you know
that she they're potentially a few days away from being engaged.

(13:23):
I think you're I think an alert goes up in
your head and goes, they're not ready for this, And
I think that's fair. Like I think that's okay if
you have somebody show up to your house and I'm
not sold out that this is my husband. I love
your son, I appreciate your son, I respect your son,
but I have a lot of questions about our relationship.
That's that's all good things. Nobody was in the wrong here,

(13:44):
And I think as a mom, you go, wait, but
yet you're here to talk to me about marrying my son.
I don't think that's how this works. Like, I don't
think you walk into a marriage with the big questions
that Madison has, like, Hey, I don't drink, I don't
go out, I'm a virgin, And the mom's going, oh,
my son goes out. He comes home from a trip
and he goes out in parties. Oh, he's definitely not

(14:05):
a virgin. The brother says Peter. I know you're super
physically intimate with a lot of people, like not there's
no shame or judgment there, but it's hey, our lives
don't look anything alike, Like, no part of our lives
look alike, and so as a result, we have concerns.
I think a mom would freak out and go, Peter, stop,

(14:25):
this isn't smart, this isn't wise. I think there could
have been better ways to handle it. I think the crying,
and I think the Peter, this is what you have
to do, Peter, you have to choose somebody you have
an angel. I think that's really hard language that was
not wise for barbedus at all on a son. But
I don't think her response was incredibly out there, Like
I think it was fair, and I think it was hard,

(14:47):
and I think my mom would have a hard time
with it. And I think she did have a hard
time with it, because it's a lot to process all
at once. It seemed to me like she didn't like
um the to made him than mad is engaged. Like
they seemed very turned off by the fact that she
had that conversation with Peter beforehand, and she was like,

(15:10):
you told my my son what he should and should
not do. And Maddie stood up for herself beautifully. She
was like, no, no, I told him how I was
going to feel if he did that, it was about
my emotions and I left the choice up to him. Yeah,
I think Maddie. I really commend her. I really commend

(15:31):
Maddie for um just sticking to her guns on that,
especially because you know, you want to please their mom
and you want to be liked by their mom, and
she just really stuck to her guns, and you know,
I think maybe that turned Barb off from her, But
I think typically a conversation like that would have gone
over with the mom and be like, oh my god.

(15:54):
I think Barbe's mind was made up, though, like when
she met Hannah and it was just like, I don't
think she was like Maddie was just like when she
saw her, she was like a yeah, I just don't know.
And also like what the ultimatum happening? It was just like, yeah,
I think her mind was kind of made up, and
she was very vocal about that. I definitely think that's

(16:15):
the case. We've never seen a more contentious moment between
the one of the final two and the parents of
the lead. Never This is the most contentious conversation and
just even between the lead and the parents that we
I think we've ever seen this was really hard to
watch because the truth is, like, this is a son
talking to his parents and in a really emotional moment

(16:38):
like this is this will cause like relational like maybe
not damage, but this will like this is a real
moment for this family. It was really really difficult to
sit through for me because you know, I've sat in
that moment before, and I know what it looks like
to look across the table at your parents in these
moments and go, you just have to trust me that
this is gonna be all right, Like you have to
trust me that I came into this with the good

(16:59):
intentions and then have a clear head and that what
you're feeling and what you're thinking might not be the
whole picture and the whole story. And I can't tell
you why because you'll just never understand, but just trust me.
And it hurts and it sucks, and it would be
so hard to see your mom crying. It's not fair
for Peter. I don't think Barb thought that through, but

(17:19):
I get that it's hard for the whole entire family.
I found it interesting that that Peter went into the
meetings with the with the family being like I like them,
but I love them both and like, I'm really torn,
and then men and then when they were like, oh,
it's Hannah and all all the way, then he was like, no,

(17:39):
it's not, it's madicine. Oh my gosh. We always talk
about it was actually want to hear from you. You
you have you weren't able to make it to the
final two, but you have a parents that care about
you a lot um And then meant, how do you
think they would have handled this moment? I don't know.
We always talk about when it comes to the final two,

(18:02):
how important the family's opinion on the person matters, and
usualize usually I say it matters very much. But this
episode made me feel like, no, you go into your
own heart. Your family is going to have to love
that person because they don't see that side that, you know,
that relationship that he built with her. They don't see

(18:22):
any of that. They only see, you know, what's right
in front of them. So yeah, I feel like they
should definitely trust him in that situation. I just it didn't.
They're so close his family, so it was I don't
think any of us expected it to go like this,
you know, for it to be like a kind of
like a push and pull with Peter versus his parents
and like his mindset on things, and then them feeling

(18:43):
a certain a different way. I feel like, no, we
all expected things to just happen, you know, unanimously, and
so it's it's different. It is kind of nuts the
way that they kept and I don't know how much
editing there was involved, but they kept saying stuff like
Hannah and is perfect angel, it's angel. Have been with

(19:05):
her for like three hours at best. How are you
doing that? Especially with Maddie, who like, yeah, they're having
like a conflict in their relationship, but technically Maddie's the angel,
you know. She's like she's saving herself from there, and
so like the angel, ben Um, you know what I've

(19:31):
felt interesting, and I want to because religion plays such
a big role in this conversation, I want to kick
it over to you for a second. I found it
interesting that his mom was like, we're spiritual people, and
like you're like strict religion might be getting in the way,
or like not in the way, but like it may
never be compatible with my son and my spiritual views, right,

(19:53):
and then flash forward ten minutes and she's like God
told me, spoke with God, and like that and all
of a sudden, it because all about God. Yeah, it
got weird fast. Um. Here's my take on that. I
was watching with a few buddies last night and all

(20:14):
of them, um, are are Christians as well, and they
love the show. And so we're watching it together in
Minneapolis last night, and we all looked at each other
and I was like, you know what this reminds me of.
It reminds me of middle school. I don't know how
many of you kind of grew up in a Christian community,
but one of the popular things in middle school was
to break up with your girlfriend and boyfriend and say
I just don't think this is what God wants and

(20:35):
God told me to which is a really terrible thing
to say to a middle school because all of a sudden,
you're like, wait, God doesn't like me, like he's telling
you to break up with me. Um. And it's a
brutal thing, but it was used all the time, and
it's not right, it's not fair, it's manipulative, and it's
and it's in a sense like it causes deep damage.
And so when that was getting thrown around last night,
I feel like I'm in that conversation, like how confident.

(20:57):
You have to be very confident when you start throwing
got around that that is what like that that that
is the truth? Like when you start using that on somebody,
when you start talking about something greater than yourself, a
higher a higher power, somebody, some a creator. When you
do that, you need to make sure you're doing it
and wisdom and you're doing it with a lot of thought.
And I think to throw it out there, say I

(21:17):
said a prayer last night, and this is my answer.
I think what was Peter supposed to respond with, like,
he's not he's not. He's not able to say, Mom,
though you didn't, because that makes him look like a jerk.
He's not able to say, Mom, are you sure, because
then she's gonna get upset. He's not able to say, well,
you know, you're being ridiculous, because that just makes him
look insensitive. I thought that part for Barb was a

(21:40):
part that was just not thought through. I thought it
was very unfair for Peter, and I think it carried
a lot more weight than what it seemed like on TV.
I know of my mom were to say those words
to me, knowing what her faith is and knowing how
she how she just tried always to pray about my wife,
for her, her whole entire. If she sent me down

(22:01):
and said God told me this, all of a sudden,
my attention rises and my heart starts to get more focused,
and I go, I need to listen to this. But
I know that my mom also would walk really slowly
into that conversation because she knows how much weight it
would it would carry. I felt like God's name was
thrown thrown around last night, very loosely, and I don't
appreciate that. It really is not a good positive communication

(22:26):
tactic for anybody. And it reminded me of middle school
all over again. And that was my biggest problem, because
I do take those moments seriously. I think Madison was
expressing what she desired and who she was and what
she her concerns were, and so for that to be
used against her, then I just felt wrong. Jack also, Jack,

(22:47):
his brother, said I hated this, said that Maddie was
raising red flags, and like I was like, okay, so
her wanting to stay a virgin until she's married as
a red flag for you? Jack? Really weird? Okay, can
I get it? So like, yeah, let's not listen, And

(23:07):
and even going back to barbed like, I know Peter,
and I know he loves his mom, and I know
his mom mom is loves him well, like I think
she's a great mom. I think this is a really
hard situation. Again, I go back to the difficulty of
the environment and not as much the difficulty and the
just kind of the uh, the lack of attention that
was spent communicating in this moment. I even think it

(23:28):
happened with his brother. I think his brother there was
trying to do his best to keep up with the conversation,
to try to fit in where he could, and to
try to fill in some gaps when it comes to
how his family is feeling, and I think as a result,
he was getting a very small picture of Maddie. Yeah.
In the same conversation, Jack also questions Peter on you know,

(23:49):
not having sex until he's married, if that's like something
he'd be okay with. It seems like Jack really thinks
that Peter is not going to make it that far.
He was like, until you're like really married, until you
make it like he's like really married, like not engagement
nerd um, And then he also says that um Madison
is big on ministry, and you know she probably goes

(24:11):
to the church multiple times a week and Peter likes
to go line dancing into the club. It's it was.
I mean, I think for anybody watching, this was a
really difficult experience. Family matters. It really matters to Peter.
We've seen it all season, and I felt like we're
all very like anticipatory for this moment, and I felt

(24:33):
like we walked into it last night and it was
just brutal to watch the whole time. And we all
felt for Peter and we all felt for his family.
And I don't think anything last night anything felt good. Now, Hey, Ashley,
before we come back and talk to Sydney in Savannah
and we talked more of Peter's first part of the
FINANCEE Finale Finale Finale, Uh, let's take a break and

(24:54):
talk about one of our sponsors. Okay. So I was thinking,
I think in Barb and yeah, we're still talking about
Barb Okay, a couple of last things about her and
her thoughts towards Madison and Hannah, And I think it

(25:16):
was just because like Hannah Ann was one crying, Maddie
wasn't as emotional. Um too, she was like I love
him and I want like the very best for him,
and she just she was so Peter centric. She wasn't
thinking about herself at all. But when Madison was talking
about herself, she was talking about, you know, her expectations

(25:38):
in a relationship. So I don't think that like that
was anything. I think that's something totally fine to be
bringing up. Um. But then Hannah Ann says something like
she goes, it was love at first sight, and and
nobody and people who haven't experienced love it first sight
like often things that thinks it's hogwash. And I think
between all of that that's what made the parents just

(26:03):
swoon over Hannah. I think that, Um, I don't know.
With Hannah Anne. You know, it's just like she had
this like very optimistic outlook on the whole thing, and
I think, I mean Maddie Maddie did as well, but um,
I don't know. When it came to Maddie, I just
felt like she I think maybe Barbara might have thought

(26:26):
that she was like making it about herself and not
so much about like Peter, because it's like, you know,
her ultimatum that she's giving him. And sure, I think
in this moment they were kind of like this is
all about Peter. This whole show was about Peter and
Peter finding his happy ending, not two people finding there
not be ending. Right, You're supposed to be going after
my son, so why aren't you one in on my son? Absolutely?

(26:48):
And I think Hannah Anne is the type of woman
and it's she's always been very just like willing whatever
Peter said. She's like, I'm here for you no matter what,
Like you know, every single thing that she's ever really
said was just like I no matter what you do,
I'm here, Like I'm not leaving, I'm not going anywhere.
And Madison on the other end, is like, look like
these are my standards and if you, you know, hurt

(27:09):
me in these ways, I don't know how I'm going
to be able to do this. So you know, obviously
that's two huge different sides of the spectrum. So if
a mother, a mother bears like sitting there seeing this
or like, well, you know, Madison's gonna be there no
matter what, and like he's like, they see, I mean,
I'm sorry, Hannah, And then they see Madison like wavering
with him, like telling him, hey, like I don't live

(27:31):
this way and like I won't see my husband being
this way. So I don't know, Like I'm not a mother,
but like I would imagine just like protect my son,
protect my son, and you know, Hannah and has always
been there and always will be. So I don't know.
I think she's probably felt like she felt short as
like protecting him, like as far as Hannaby and you
know how she brought that up, It just made it

(27:51):
seem like she was afraid that Maddie was going to
leave him, like Hanna Bey did, And so I think
that's why she was more you know, into Hannah and
drawn between Hannah b and Madison last night. Yeah, they're
very strong personality. They loved Hannah by right. I mean,

(28:12):
I'm sure they did, but I think that they just
fear that they're, you know, they're going to leave. You know.
I think she felt like Maddie was going to leave him,
and I don't know. That's just kind of what I
perceived from the last night's episode. Well, we do see
Maddie leave him. Staffored that conversation before we get into that,

(28:32):
you guys told me a little bit about how Hannah
Anne is in the house, how you got to know her,
So tell me more about Madison and what she's like
when we're not watching her on t ving Maddie is.
I feel like watching her, she kind of seemed a
little cold in moments, Like you know, she wasn't emotional.
She's just very I mean, she's very levelheaded and rational.

(28:56):
I kind of felt like she was that person that
I would go to when you know, this environment just
kind of you get caught up, and she just kind
of would slow it down for me and just like
really talk me through it. And um, she's just like
very kind and compassionate in that way. And um, you
know she's but she's also this like very strong woman
and confident and so I think Peter really liked that

(29:19):
about her. And um, we had a lot of moments.
We shared a closet together, and so like what I
was like, I know, the bedrooms are small, shared a closet, Okay, yeah,
like the closet, you know you have like your own
little like world in there, I guess. But like she
would always like be doing Bible study and stuff, and um,
she would just kind of keep to herself but also

(29:41):
was there when you needed her. So she was just
a really good friend and I really liked her. Yeah,
I think you mean Madis were both from Alabama and
just having that similarity and like being able to like
once this was all over, like see each other and
just like connect on that level was huge. And us
also understanding the community that we you know, are rom
and all the expectation in Madison, you know, doing this

(30:04):
being who she is. Um, I just commend her so much.
And you know, like you said, she is very sweet,
very kind, like soft woman, but also she's very headstrong,
so you know when it came out to this point
with the fantasy sweets, like you saw that in her. Um,
and I just I don't know, I she's I love
her and she's such a good girl. Like yeah, I

(30:27):
love Maddie for sure. Yeah. One thing, oh sorry, UM,
one thing about Maddie that I really appreciate it. It was,
you know, I mean we've seen it on the show,
but um, you know, in those private moments, like her
and I would both really you know, just question things
we weren't just like oh yeah, like just along for
the ride type of thing, like she would be like okay,

(30:47):
like questioning certain aspects of it. And I don't know,
I just feel like that meant like she was really
taking this seriously and really considering the fact that, yeah,
you are going to be engaged to this person at
the end, so you have to consider everything. Did you
feel the strength of their relationship like we do watching it?
It was it was undeniable. I mean, I'm gonna be
honest here, like when you're in the house and you

(31:10):
you know, you know the girl that he is like
super connected. I don't know if you felt the same way,
but I like the first three because I was like, like,
it was good. She walks in the room and it
literally is like nobody, no one out for rom in
the room. No one else was in the room. And
I was just like, Okay, this sucks because I am
dating this guy. But I was like, just don't get

(31:31):
in your head, Sitney, just like stay focused, don't get
in her head. But that I always knew, like I'm
just like something, Okay, I'm like I was hoping I
could get to that level they were at, but you
know I didn't. But just it was undeniable the moment
the first week, the first I mean the first one one,
like it was just undeniable. Their connection undeniable. Now when

(31:53):
she came home, um, I was actually still a week
when she came home from their one on one because
I was getting ready for a group date and I
saw that she had like a bouquet of flowers and
she was just like beaming, and I knew, I think
that that's kind of why I just like held back.
So I was like, I knew that that connection was
so strong right after their one on one, and I
was like, how am I going to discourage to me
as well? I was just like, hey, I don't. I

(32:15):
don't every pack your bags ever, it's Maddie. So then
did you guys just feel both when you were eliminated,
You're like, Okay, well I'm gonna go home and people
are going to ask me who's going to win this season?
And then you thought in your head, Mattie, so then
what about Hannah And where do you think she'd place?
I knew she's gonna be that far second is very

(32:38):
like he there's you just know, I mean, I think
all of the girls in the house would have this
have a similar you know response to this, like it
was just them too always and you know, yeah we
had connections and things and it was you know, but
it was never what they had ever like it was
just so much higher than all of us that we're
just kind of like, well, you know, it wasn't not

(33:00):
surprising at all all. I mean I kind of thought
that Fuller may end up with him, but still, you
guys predicted the top three. I could protected the top
three literally week three. Yeah, okay, that's amazing. Sidney, you
were talking about how you guys had that connection about
being from Alabama, and it sounds as if you guys

(33:20):
have hung out since the filming has ended. I don't
want you to tell me what the ending is, but
I'm closing my eyes. Do you know the ending? Or
is what Chris Harrison saying by like Peter is gonna
like it's really really ending live tonight? Yes, yes, and yes,
yes and yes to both of those. Yes, Um, what

(33:42):
Chris Harrison saying. I totally believe that, as well as
like just things that me and Maddie have shared since
you know, filming, I yes and yes. Okay, So basically
you know what the status was throughout the quote off season,
and you know that like a final decision might be
made tonight from the Live show. Yeah, I don't think

(34:04):
that I'm saying anything that wasn't given in that teaser
and what Chris Harrison wrapped that episode, he was like,
we're all going to find out what happens tomorrow night
Live on this so should we should we speculate right now?
I mean should maybe maybe Sydney should stay out of it.
I'll stay out of it, okay, I mean yeah, I

(34:27):
haven't really asked Maddie a lot, like we've texted and everything,
but I just I didn't want to ask her because
I don't want her to feel pressure to like tell
me anything. Um. But I mean, I really hope they
end up together, just because like that love is so
strong clearly, and I just love Maddie as a person
so out there together so quick recap you guys, I

(34:48):
mean you all saw it. But Maddie goes on her
one on one with him after the family visit and
she says, like, you know, we're just not compatible, Like
I want this to work so much. She has so
many great lines. Hold on, let me let me read this.
She says, ken love conquer all. Being a warrior and
a good fighter means knowing when to surrender, and she
said it's time to surrender. She goes, I still feel

(35:10):
like love does conquer all because me leaving helps you, Peter,
come find what you came here for. So um, she
says that everything changed that night. They have different faith,
different marriage ideals, different lifestyle. Um, and she just started
thinking ever since that one night where you know, he

(35:30):
came to her saying that he had been intimate with
the other two, that everything kind of changed and all
this she got all this clarity. So she leaves, but
we see that she comes back. Savannah. Do you think
that she comes back during the proper season, so before

(35:50):
that final row ceremony, or do you think that she
comes back to him after the show has rapped. I
feel like it's probably after the show is wrapped, just
because Maddie, I don't know, I don't see her. She
seems very selfless in those moments, you know, trying to
let him, you know, do what's best for him. And
so hopefully it's after this season and she can really

(36:13):
because I know that, like when you when everything is wrapped,
you just kind of get this clarity. It's and maybe
she got that. And I do think that Peter sees
in her, you know, I think he wants to be
better for her, and I think that like she wants
somebody that will grow with her and her faith, and

(36:34):
you know, I think he wants to grow in his
faith too and everything. I have a question though, let's
say let's say that it is Maddie in the end,
what is going to happen when he asked to like
bring her home to Barb Like, Maddie, now you know
what I mean? Like, how do you sit there? Like
we see this scene in the teaser where it looks

(36:54):
like they're sitting at home or they're sitting in a
suite that isn't there the sweet that they were in
for the past couple of scenes, And then they're all
waiting for Peter to walk in the door with someone.
And then it looks like Barb has another breakdown. And
it freaks me out that it's because like he walks
in with Maddie. Imagine this conversation that's I know's gonna
be okay. But here's the thing, guys, Chris Harrison has

(37:19):
to sit down with with Peter and says, you are
you gonna be able to continue with this? Like are
you too broke heartbroken to continue? I think like Harrison's like,
I mean, you're going to pick Maddie, so are you
going to pick Hannah? And by default now so now,
I mean I wrote here in my notes so that
sorry Peter, that he would be an ultimate dumbass if

(37:41):
he goes and proposes to Hannah. And this episode clearly
portrays that Madison was his number one pick and that
that Hannah and will be his second pick. And you
cannot propose to a woman who's going to eventually see this,
you know, I imagine like what she's feeling watching this
back and seeing the conversation that Maddie and Peter had

(38:02):
right before they walked in to meet Peter's parents, where
he was just like, let's fix this, whatever we have
to do, and I'm like, but you're saying this, and
there's another whole, another human on the other side of this.
And then Maddie leaves and he has his date with Hannah,
and it's like, does he even like, are we just
going to hang out? And you know, I don't get it.
Seems a little last ditch effort. You guys, do you

(38:25):
think that he should have told Hannah Ann that Maddie
had left. I think it was a great decision that
he did not tell her, because I think by him
telling her, she'd be like, oh, okay, so now like
I'm your only option? So am I your default? Girl? Like,
is this confirmation that like I'll always ponder, yes, if
I'm your your fallback. It was at Hannah Ann's best

(38:47):
entrance that he did not tell her for sure, because
she was already so emotional, so in her head in
that moment at the you know, they at nighttime. So yeah,
I think that would have been just a spiral if
he would have done that. But also it's like, is
lying I consider that lying? You know. I feel like
if I were to watch it back and I was
in Hannah and shoes, I would have And if she

(39:09):
does end up engage with him and there together, now
I would be so angry. I would be mortified. If
I was like in that moment, I was like, I
look so like I just looks, you know, it looks bad.
Like she's sitting there like pouring her heart out to
him and he's literally you know, Madison's gone, and he's
like he doesn't even she still doesn't know what to do,
and it's just like she's so you know, there for him,

(39:30):
and it's it's tough. She's Yeah, it's just the way
that he was like making it very clear that he
was in love with Maddie. Oh. Absolutely, I wouldn't be
able to if I had an engagement with him. I
would not be able to move forward with that if
I was handing in. So he does tell hannah And
during the nighttime portion of the date, well, actually, she says,
don't do anything besides choosing me for me and who

(39:53):
I am. I feel in this moment, she knows that
it's not her. Um, I think this is like almost
her partial goodbye. She goes, it's not It's not what
I want to hear, because he says I'm in love
with I'm very torn. He says, I'm very torn. My
heart's in two places, and she goes, that's not what
I want to hear. Um. It seems like she's saying,

(40:13):
I'm all in, but I know you're half in, and
I don't think that I can do this, And I
have a I have a theory, you guys, this was
a little bit more far fetch. What if Madison and
what if hannah An feels like she's so second place
that she just drops out of the race before it
all and then he's left with no one I think
of that. Yes, I hope she happen. Literally, I feel

(40:37):
like that that's what happened. So because yeah, we have
to think about what Harrison comes up says, because if
he's coming up to him at that podium, which I
still I can't believe that Peter would even say Hannah
and have my final rose at this point, like that's
that's so wrong in general. But let's just pretend that
that's what he's planning. Then Harrison comes up and goes

(40:59):
so we all just found this out, Hannah, and it's
also and that would be absolutely revolutionary because I don't
think that that's ever happened on this show, and they
keep saying that the finale of this is something that's
ever happened. If he ends up like flip flopping, like
he ends up getting back with Madison, we've we've seen
that before twice, but we haven't necessarily seen it in

(41:21):
the way that the girl comes back after the guy
instead of the guy breaking up with a fiance and
then going after the girl. So that would be unique.
So it could still be that, but holy damn man,
if if he's left with no one at that altar,
how could it be anything else though, like the because
like it could have been if we didn't see last night,
it could have been Chris telling Peter that Maddie had left.

(41:42):
But that's already happened, So what could be that big?
It's got to be that she leaves because she felt,
you know, the way she was expecting to him the
night before, Like I yes, and you could tell she
just felt so defeated. So I I honestly do think
she leaves, even the way she like closes door and
said goodbye, She's like by now yeah, Like, I mean,

(42:02):
we all feel for Peter because clearly he's going through
a lot, but like I also feel for Hannah and
and I would be like, this is just a wild situation. Wild.
I should also add that I think Maddie's hair looks
different in that super tease, and I think that that
is simple that when she comes back for him, it's

(42:23):
after the fact. You know, she's not coming back to Australia.
I think it's been a while because every girl comes
back to the show looking a little bit different. On
women there, um any other things, Yeah, okay, so I
think we covered all my big notes, but um, I
have one thing I want to backtrack on that conversation

(42:44):
that Maddie and Peter have before they go in to
have family time. I feel like he insinuates that he
slept with the other two girls because she didn't say
I love you before Fantasy Suites, and I was like,
that's yucky, boy, that is yucky. Yeah, I mean I
don't know that. Honestly. When I was watching that moment,

(43:05):
I got really emotional because you could feel the love
between both of them, and yeah, I just he did
that to me to connect. I'm not kidding, but no,
they really. I mean like you could just like feel
how much he loved her. And but I do agree

(43:27):
that's not okay though, Hey, you didn't tell me you
loved me, so I decided to go and get physical
with two other women. What are you talking about, sir?
You're literally like, you risk your relationship with her, like
she asked you something, and it would have been an
equal playing field. Totally still fine, equal playing field. You
could have waited to stick your in someone ten days later,

(43:50):
Okay if you had slept with no one and then
you basically said like, well, because like I wasn't feeling
that you loved me, you are a grown man. Okay,
you like, let's not do that. Let's not say oh,
because you know, Maddie, you're broken and don't know you're
you're at this level and you didn't tell me you
loved me. That gives me a reason to go sleep

(44:12):
with two other women. Like, no, sir, that is not
I didn't know your feelings for me. I was like
just confused exactly how I felt. You know that she's
traditional enough that she probably just didn't want to say
I love you until it was just the two of you,
so she said. But she was like, I you know,
you can't tell me that you were not torn at
this point when you're on the other side of this.

(44:33):
He was like, no, I totally get I totally get it.
Peter like, what do you mean? I do feel like
he just I felt like he was kind of justifying it,
like he to fully explore those relationships he had to sleep.
Peter just wanted to get down. Let's be real. Peter like,
come on, okay, well, do you feel like having sex

(44:53):
with somebody before marriage is going to tell you something
that you need to know before marriage or do you
can you do you think you can physically tell your
chemistery before that, like you can tell your physical chistory
and how it's going to be in bed based on
everything else. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I don't. You don't have
to test the waters like it's not you know what

(45:13):
I mean. No, I don't send me like I don't
think that that really defines a relationship. I think that
you how you feel about each other is defining. It
defines a relation, and it just makes it so much
pure when it is. You know, I'm not saying that
you have to wait until marriage, but I'm saying like
this because the fantasy suite's come, does not mean that
that has to happen. And also like doesn't make it

(45:36):
anymore pure or not pure if you choose to do
so or not. You know, it's just like, no, So
he didn't need to use that week as testing the water.
He literally could like you end up together, you get engaged,
take it from there. I think he's just take it
from there. That's just my opinion because I feel like

(45:58):
every time somebody I think I told said this a
couple of weeks ago. But like Nick viall Was has
been very open about the fact that he only slept
with Vanessa in the fantasy suite because he knew that
if he slept with the other two girls that it
would become a conflict outside the show with the person
that he chose. And I really think that that's the
way you gotta do it. No, I agree, I think

(46:20):
he should have had a little more guidance. I think
I think Nick, not even Nick, just like any of
the guys, like, you know, I mean, I'm sure he
had that guidance, but you know, we didn't see that
that every season. I feel like some of the old
Bachelor's like, we'll come back and talk, and I don't know.
I think that he made a mistake obviously, But I

(46:41):
think we have to say, isn't it funny that Ben
got so much controversy saying I love you to two girls,
and now here's Peter be like, I love you, I
love you, I love you, and like and then also, yeah,
all the things, all the things, all right, before we go,
let's go down the line and say our final predictions. Beforehand,

(47:04):
I said it was far fetched for for hannah And
to be leaving, But you know what, now, I'm convinced
I believe that hannah And leaves before the final Rose ceremony.
That's why Chris Harrison comes up to the podium. That's
why Um, that's why Peter seems like he's having a
mental breakdown in his his hotel room. And and then
I think Maddie comes back to Peter at some point

(47:27):
after he leaves the season alone. All right, that's that's
my prediction. Go ahead, Tonah, I think the exact same thing.
I think that Um Hannah and finally realizes that he's
in love with Maddie and leaves Um. And yeah, I
do think that Maddie. I think that they're probably together.
I think Maddie comes back, and I do think that

(47:50):
they're probably together. Now it's probably gonna be a rocky ride,
you know, especially Maddie like seeing everything back and just
like reliving all of it. But hopefully they're together. Maddie
probably comes back because she knows he's not with Hannah.
And I don't think Maddie is the kind of girl
that's going to try to get in the middle of
another relationship. She's not going to ruin that for him,
especially after that whole surrender warrior. I want you to

(48:13):
come and find what you came here to find. No,
I agree with both of you, guys. I think in
that moment we see you know that Peter's breakdown is
when Hannah Anne leaves, and then I think that other
teaser when he's having to say I'm so so sorry
to someone like I'm from the bottom of heart, I'm
so sorry. It's him apologizing to Hannah and for like
not being able to like, you know, go through. And

(48:35):
then after Maddie finds out that they're not together, Maddie's
going to get her man, Maddie, so get him, girl.
I hope that's all. Yeah, all right, Well you guys,
you've been in de light and you've given us a
lot of insight into Hannah and and Maddie. Thank you
so much for being here having him. Thank you. Okay,
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(48:56):
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I think we are doing Bachelor Finale Part two the
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(49:16):
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(49:39):
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