Speak Up and Stand Together.

Ben and Ashley reflect on the tense and upsetting events of the last few days and how they feel witnessing demonstrations and protests across the country. Ben has been criticized for not giving his personal strong opinion and speaking his mind, and today, he addresses that.

Keltie Knight from The Lady Gang shares what she’s learned about herself and the world since the turmoil. And we hear some stories from her days on “The Bachelor”.  Did you know she was on The Bachelor?!

Plus, we talk to former Bachelor contestant looking for a "baby daddy" on “Labor of Love”, Bachelor alum Kristy Katzmann.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with her radio. Hey guys, another week of the almost
famous podcast. I'm Ben, I'm Ashley, And a lot has
happened since we talked last Ben. Uh crazy? How two
weeks and the world is a different place. Yeah. Wow,

(00:22):
it's been two weeks since we talked. We took last
week off in remembrance of Memorial Day. We're back this week. Actually,
there's a lot that I want to say. You have
a lot to say too. From what I've heard from
you on social media so far, You've been saying so
many great things, so many powerful things. And I don't know,

(00:48):
I'm very inarticulate moments like this, but you shine. So
I want you to talk. Well. I need to give
our listeners a little backstory. And you've known this as
my co host, and our team knows this. I've been
really struggling with this podcast, um and and and it
started with a message that I got on Instagram months
ago where somebody had said that our Facebook group had

(01:10):
became so hateful and hate philed. So I started reading
it and I saw the negative um things that about
you and I about others, about our people that listen
to the podcast. Um, and it started to just hit deep.
It took, I mean, all of my confidence away. Um,

(01:30):
it took a lot of my excitement for getting on
here and talking to you and talking to our fans
and our listeners and our friends. UM. A lot of
the criticism I listened to, which I don't typically do.
A lot of the criticism came and said in the
words of hey, I over explained myself. So I've been
working on that. I get it. And when more than

(01:51):
one person says it, I want to listen, I don't.
I don't want to not listen. Another criticism said that
I am too preachy, and quite frankly, if you're gonna
listen to a podcast that I host, you're gonna hear
me talk about Jesus. Like I don't know what else
to say, Like, it's just it's part of my belief system,
is part of my life. If you don't like it,

(02:11):
I don't know why you still listen, Like, I'm not
going to stop talking about who I am. But even
if you disagree, I hope we can at least have
a conversation and get somewhere of understanding. I mean, that's
why you do podcast. Another criticism, UH said that my
questions I I lead up to them too much. That's
fair too, and I'll listen to those things. Um. But

(02:33):
it started to sink in and I started to feel it.
Another thing that was said, and this is why I
say all this UM. As I started to really try
to process this, another criticism was I was two PC
and it's I'm not unfamiliar with that criticism. I've had
it forever, and I've tried consciously here of the last

(02:54):
few months to figure out where that comes from. Because
a lot of times I'm PC because they're complex issues
that have a lot of different sides, and to pick
a side and pound it into the ground and put
my stake in the ground on one side oftentimes fears
feels irresponsible and it feels like I'm causing more harm

(03:17):
than good because I'm not listening any longer. I'm not
hearing the other side because I'm stuck in my ways,
and so I try to stay in the middle. We
we know the stories that we we talked about, actually,
you know, I talked about all of them. The headlines
that we cover. Oftentimes there's a lot going on behind
the scenes that nobody knows and so how are we
supposed to speak? So I guess ah strongly on them.

(03:43):
And then two weeks ago, Hannah Brown comes out and
says the N word on social media and it takes me.
Let's even backtrack, Ahmad are Berry is shot in cold
blood running down a street on a jog for no reason.
That's where it starts, okay, and then Hannah says the

(04:06):
N word, and then Hannah disappears, doesn't say anything like
she's gone. And we get criticism on this podcast because
we said that Hannah was wrong for what she did.
And that's about where we left it, and Ashley, I'll
stick to that. Now, there's more to the story here.
I do want to I want to address um the

(04:29):
fan backlash that we got a little of, Like, honestly,
it wasn't that bad, but there were people out there,
and Hannah addressed them in her apology. But we'll get
to that later. So you have a great young man
running down the street, going for a jog in a
neighborhood and east shot, and and so it feels like

(04:51):
at that point a lot of our eyes and ears
are open to racial injustice. How are we going to respond?
I mean, hey, it's not a secret. There's two white
people hosting this podcast, right. We we are not experts
on this topic. There's a lot of things that you
and I do not know, a lot of things that
will never be able to relate with, and a lot

(05:13):
of things that we are learning. But Hannah Brown was wrong.
What Hannah did was not right. Now at the same time,
should we dismiss Hannah Brown? Never, I hope canceling her.
So here's my Here's here's where uh if you want
to call me PC, here's where you could probably add

(05:34):
into this. My hope is that we turn to forgiving, loving,
accepting Hannah, but recognizing what she did was wrong. What
she said was wrong. If you're a Hannah fan, I
urge you to hear what I'm saying. What she said

(05:54):
was not right. Her apology was not great. She blamed
her brother, and she posted on Instagram originally two weeks later,
she comes out in an apology that I hope we
can all listen to as friends, as family, as fans.
I hope we can hear what Hannah says, and hey,

(06:16):
she has a lot to learn. But she's not saying
she was all right. She was not saying what she
did was right. She said that she's happy that people
who spoke out held her accountable. She told her fans,
don't defend me on this. I was wrong. And it
leads us to the point of saying, Okay, we've gone
through one scenario that wrecked our lives, that wrecked our

(06:39):
world with Ahmad Arebury. We move into a situation that, hey,
Hannah made a mistake. I think everybody was begging for
her to apologize and speak out because we were ready
to forgive. I think the black community, from my friends
that are black, from what Rachel Lindsay has said, what
Mike Johnson has said, they were ready to forgive, but
they wanted to hear from Hannah. Heard from Hannah, and

(07:01):
people have responded. People have responded, and we're all learning.
So now let's throw us in the pool of as
white people. We are learning what is going on in
the world around us right now. We are hearing the cries,
We're hearing the screams, we are recognizing the protests. Then
you have George Floyd and why. And this is where

(07:26):
I wanna dive deep into this a little bit because
typically when it comes to topics that we talk about
in the podcast, it's hard to pick a side, it's
hard to put our stake in the ground, it's hard
to lean in on a topic. We're gonna dance down
the middle because that's all we know how to do,
because you need to hear both sides before we come
to a conclusion. Except for now, Except for now, Now

(07:50):
we dig deep. And for anybody out there listening to
this going, hey, this feels heavy. Hey, all of a sudden,
I'm getting defensive. Hey, all of us on this Black
Lives Matter talk is making me my my skin crawl.
Then I beg you, as people that actually night and
I mean this as we people that we really do love,

(08:11):
I just beg you to take a step back and
realize it's okay to not know. It's okay to not
be aware. It's okay that if you come into this
situation going wow, this this is so confusing for me.
But it's not okay to not learn. It's not okay
to shut down. It's not okay to look at a
man with a knee on his neck and realize that
this is a horrid situation when the angers us as

(08:37):
a country one the angers most humans. But we also
need to recognize that what we're seeing in the protest now,
what we saw in the video of George Floyd is
not the first time this has happened, that it might
be one of the first times that we've been awoken
up to this. But we're waking up. And I beg

(08:58):
you fans in almost famous podcast that if you don't
like what I'm saying, if you don't like what the
black community is saying right now, if you don't like
the idea that black lives matter, and that's not to
say that all lives don't matter, but there's a great
u a great parallel here where we say that if
a neighbor's house is burning down in yours, isn't you're

(09:18):
gonna put water in the house that's burning down. Because
it's a pressing issue. It's the one that needs to
be talked about right now. And it's not saying but
it's not saying to your house doesn't matter, your house
a percent matters. But right now we need to shout
from the rooftops that black black lives matter. And if
you don't like what I'm saying that, I just asked
that you leave this podcast because quite frankly, Ashley, the

(09:41):
hate that's on our Facebook group, and the negative comments
that's coming in about the podcast, even though are listening
and cow is higher than ever and bigger than ever, like,
those aren't the people I want to have around in
this community. I want to have a group of people
listening to this podcast that is listening to the voices
and the screams and the cry of humans around them,
Black humans and people of other colors saying, listen to me,

(10:07):
I'm hurting. Listen to me, you've seen it, Listen to me,
learn from me, hear me. I want those people listening
to the podcast. I want those people a part of
this group. I want those people leaning on each other
in the Facebook group. I want those people encouraging you
and I because this is not easy all the time.

(10:29):
And I want those people encouraging the black community. And
I want to Almost Famous podcast to be a podcast
that's represented in kindness and love and care. And also
it has a ton of fun talking about Bachelor World,
but actually it's time to wake up. This isn't a
funny topic. This isn't a fun topic. As I've heard

(10:53):
from my black friends and I've been educated over the
last few weeks, especially the last week, I've realized how
much I don't know how much I'm writing exactly. It's
so amazing. It's so amazing because like, you know that
racism exists, but you don't know how prevalent it is.
I never knew how prevalent it was. I didn't know
that it was. Like still, when I see these videos

(11:16):
like this is so I can't believe this is our country, right,
and you're just your eyes are you feel like your
eyes are always open? But I mean are But there
are so much that we weren't. I can't speak about
this stuff. I'm so bad at it, and I wish
I could be articulate about it. My sister wrote me

(11:38):
like the best text yesterday, which just kind of explains
it all. She's like, I have so many feelings, but
I have no idea how to express them. Um, actually,
I let's start here. How does this make you feel?
I'm just like, I'm just very bad at talking about it.
But it doesn't mean that I can't like that I
don't feel things. Sometimes they can get very frustrating because

(12:02):
like you can like I'm crying, go ahead, No, it's okay, Ashley. Actually,
what we're saying it he is like these are how
these like these are where the topics need to start
and the conversations need to start, like your emotional why

(12:25):
I guess this is very overwhelming. There's just there's so
many Like there's just like a lot of emotions that
you would, like somebody you want to express, but there's
this you're you're just kind of like scared and nervous
to find the words to do it. And then you
also want admit to being like ignor into it too
in the past. You know, I do know I'm with you,

(12:49):
like I am like I have been so ignorant to this.
I sat two nights ago and my mom started crying
because she she made this statement. She said, it's wild
to me how little we've all known. And I speak

(13:10):
and i'm there's there's people out there that listening to
just being like, hey, I'm I've always known and that's great,
and like, that's great, but you but we have you
have to understand that there's many of us that are
just trying to learn and it's not easy to admit.
But I'm thirty one years old and this is a
topic that I know so little about, Like this crushes
my soul. But it's also there's something beautiful, oh man.

(13:34):
And I don't even know how this is gonna come across,
but there's something beautiful. And my mom said this that
the first time that we've rallied together after quarantine, after
being stuck in our homes for two months, is for
issues that are so needed to be talked about that
the first time groups have come together is to stand
in the name that lives matter, that black lives matter.

(13:56):
To stand in the name of supporting the George Floyd's
of the world world, to stand in the name of
the families who have lost loved ones due to racism.
To stand up and hold hands in a united front
with people who have been scared in a lot of

(14:18):
ways hopeless because they don't have a history to look
back on that's been positive or they've been treated well
at all. To stand united with him for the first
time in two months and say we hear you, we
recognize you, we've listened, and just teach us. Yeah. I'm
also just I guess a little scared of people becoming

(14:42):
like like you said at the top of the podcast,
like there's only one right opinion here, there's like the
other you know, so, but people are finding a lot
of divisiveness in it, and I just wed new people
to unite and it's scary that there's just a lot

(15:04):
of while people should be accepting that need that those
need to be educated. Um, there's some people out there
who are getting so defensive. Like you said that, it's
kind of scary to see that some people may not

(15:26):
unite over this. Yeah, and that's why I'm saying, like, hey,
I'm not going to stop talking about who I am
as a person. I'm not going to stop it, and actually,
like I don't want you to. I know you don't
want me to. Like I'm not going to stop sharing
about why I believe what I believe, and I'm not
going to overshare on topics that I don't know a

(15:48):
lot about and when it comes to things that are
hard to decipher, like I am going to walk down
the middle, and so are you. But I've read your comments,
I've heard your concerns. I will listen to the fact
that I set up my questions too much. Great, It's like, fine,
I'll get better at that. I'll try really hard. I'm sorry.
I just sometimes feel like I need to overexplain because

(16:10):
I don't think I come off clearly all the time. Well,
you also feel like you need to overexplain sometimes because
you worry that people are going to interpret it in
a way that wasn't intended. And so almost famous fans, listeners,
people that are gonna be tuning in this podcast. Here's
here's what um, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna

(16:32):
we're gonna listen to your concerns and we're gonna listen
to your critiques of us, but we won't listen to
any type of racism. If at some point you're listening
to this going that the things that have happened over
the last few weeks are not gravely concerning, if they
are not putting you in tears like they're putting Ashley
in tears, then I'm gonna politely ask you to stop
listening to this podcast. Like I don't want to push

(16:54):
you away. I don't want to say this isn't a
place for all it is, but this is not a
place for hate. And until you can turn your perspective
into more a loving and accepting, until you can see
yourself as a human with a ton of purpose and
that your words really do matter, and your words really
can hurt, and your emotions really do need to be

(17:15):
carefully considered before they're communicated in a public forum. Until
you can come with that perspective into this, this is
not a community for you. Because this is a community
of people that love the Bachelor, that loved the people
from the Bachelor, that love to hate the Bachelor, that
love to hate the people from the Bachelor, and we
have a lot of fun talking about it, but when
it comes to human beings and it comes to topics

(17:40):
like racism, this is not a place for you. If
you're gonna stand on the side of anti black lives,
this is not the place for you. It isn't And
and I just want people to know that are listening
to this, and I think we should take this moment
before we move on to fluff her um too applaud

(18:03):
Hannah for her apology. She posted a twenty minute apology
was live on Instagram and she posted a termaine feed
and she talked about how she went silent for two
weeks because she wanted to really educate herself. She didn't
want to just say I'm sorry and not really know
not what she was sorry before, but for just saying it,

(18:27):
she really wanted to dive deep, and she read books.
I think she even took a course on just the
history of the word she used, the the black culture.
And I think that she is genuinely, sincerely sorry and

(18:47):
it's time. Well not that I'm the person that needs
to forgive her, but I hope that people forgive her,
and I hope that people accept her apology and do
believe that she's trying to become a better person, no
more educated person. I mean, her heart was very evident
to me in that pol apology. I mean, that's it too,

(19:09):
is like the part that place that we said is like,
I'm not the one that needs to forgive Hannah um,
but what I can recognize is that, like, what she
did was wrong, and I'm gonna I'm gonna learn from
Hannah's mistake. Along with many others out there, she's admitted
she was wrong. I don't think anybody, at least anybody

(19:30):
that I've seen, have said, hey, we want to just
push Hannah aside, we want to hate Hannah. Nobody's ever
said that. That has never been a topic. Everybody has
been upset that she didn't speak out sooner, but now
she has. It seems like I mean, we just have
to take her apology for what it was like. She
wants to get better and she wants to learn, but
we aren't the ones to forgive her. But we can

(19:51):
learn with her and learn alongside of her, and we
can be educated by the things same things that she's
being educated by. There's a ton of resources out there.
All I ask that you, anybody listening, starts to look
those up. UM. It feels like before we start bringing
on our guests, Ashley Here's and I texted you this,
it feels like a revival of sorts, a revival that

(20:13):
will start to uh bring us all together united, A
revival that's forcing us um to wake up. A revival
that's forcing us to unite. Uh. Revival uh that will
all understand how much purpose we have and that every
small action we make towards any person really does matter.

(20:35):
And and I know this, and I will speak about
Jesus here And if you don't believe in Jesus, then
whatever it is you believe in, if you don't believe anything,
just understand this. I will say this that, based on
thirty one years of my life, I feel like we're
always on an arc towards more justice and more love.

(20:58):
And I believe that this sitch suation presenting ourselves that
we're presented with right now. It's heavy, it's hard. We
shouldn't move past it as fast as we can. We're
sitting in it right now. But I believe it will
put us in a better place in the long run.
I really really hope you're right. I hope so too.

(21:20):
I think in the very long run, for sure, I
hope so too. Ashley, Hey, I want to take this time.
I just want to say it again. And Um, I
appreciate you as a co host. I do. I love
your heart. I know that your well. I just I
love how much you do care. And I know that
sometimes the words to express how you're feeling and the

(21:41):
anger that you're feeling is not always easy, um, because
you communicate with your emotions always exactly. It's like I
can't like I'm very very bad at using words sometimes,
but like it just comes out of my eyes. It
really does, it really does. And Ashley, UM, and and

(22:01):
almost famous fans, Let's spend this time, um, to wake up,
to pay attention, to humble ourselves, to learn and to educate.
And I'm not saying this because I'm talking down to you.
I'm saying this as a peer and as a friend,
and UM, as somebody who gets to sit on a
mic and you get to that that we get to

(22:21):
talk with each other every week. UM, I'm saying this
as a friend of yours, just to say, let's wake up.
Let's be a community that accepts and loves and cares,
and we get better at hosting. Actually, I will work
our hardest to get better at hosting, and I hope
you get better at listening and we can all move
forward together. UM. I'll share a hosting insecurity later in
the podcast for wreak out. Okay, sounds good, Okay, Ashley. UM,

(22:46):
this this is gonna be something we talk about h
throughout the podcast today. It's a podcast UM focused on
bringing awareness, UM and speaking about who in vat your
nation has spoke up. We'll touch on Hannah Brown again
and we'll talk about Rachel Lindsay and Mike Johnson. UM.
But first let's take a break. We do have two
special guests that we've been scheduled to have for weeks now.

(23:09):
Out of respect for everybody, we we need to bring
them on. UM. So let's take one break when we
come back, we're gonna bring on Kelty Night, who is
uh promoting a new book. Hey, we'll back with Almost
Fama podcast. Our first guest on this week's podcast, uh

(23:34):
is somebody that's a friend of our somebody that we've
always enjoyed listening to as a friend of Bachelor Nation. Again,
I want to say that any conversation today, UM, we
are all sitting in this place of learning and recognizing
what's going on around the world right now. Um, but

(23:54):
we still have a podcast to make and we still
have guests to interview. UM, and so for a bit
of time here, I'm sure our guests are gonna want
to recognize what's going on. UM, give them grace, give
us grace and moving forward with these interviews because they
have been scheduled for a while and have respect for
all of them. We want to bring them on because

(24:16):
they have a lot of things that they're doing in
their lives that we need to talk about and want
to talk about. So our first guest today is Kelty Night.
She is promoting a book called Act Like a Lady.
Kelty Welcome to the the Almost Famous podcast. You guys, thanks
so much for having me on, and I love your show. Obviously,
this isn't like what you would expect a book week,
a book launch week. You guys have launched things before
on your own. You know that. It's like you work

(24:38):
so hard for a year and a half and it's
not you know, it's not supposed to be this, and
it is very uncomfortable. Um. I don't think anyone wants
to get on a microphone and try to entertain the masses,
because nothing you do today or tomorrow or in the
coming months is going to be the right thing, you
know what I mean. And both of you coming from obviously,
I know you guys have souls and you have thoughts

(24:59):
and so many things. We come from a land of
vatro nation which everyone assumes that you maybe don't have
those things, and that it's just this frivolous place. And
now you become the speakers of a generation, and what
pressure to put on you, you you know. And so I'm
really of the mindset of I'm trying to be gentle
with myself and I'm trying to be gentle with other

(25:20):
people because I'm doing the best I can and it's imperfect.
And this is going to be a lifetime of education.
There's not going to be one time where I could
come back on your show and say I have figured
it out. I have figured out how to be a
black ally in this world. But we have to try,
and we have to educate ourselves. And um, and the
thing that I really learned that I'm embarrassed that I

(25:43):
learned at thirty eight years old, after being on television
for a decade, is that it is not the responsibility
of our black friends to educate us. That, you know.
I I saw so many people in our Lady Gain
Facebook group, myself reaching out to my black friends and saying,
you know, what do you think I should do? And
they're like, go yourself, Like you should know what to do?

(26:04):
Is not I'm exhausted from just being black, Like, it
is not my job to go around and educate you.
And so I think that's a turning point that I've had. Um.
You know, I love this conversation of it's not enough
to just say I'm not a racist person. I'm not
a racist person. I don't lip sync the N word

(26:24):
when I'm singing rap songs like I. You know, there's
different levels right of like of these of people, and
it's like I'm one of those people that's like never, never, never,
So I can consider myself like I'm I'm good at this,
but I'm not, you know what I mean? I learned
this week so many things, even just in the last
four or five days, that I was doing wrong, that
I was asking, you know, the community to help me

(26:45):
when it's not their job to help me. And so,
you know, I think I'm sick to my stomach. I
haven't slept. I'm sick, and like, can you imagine what
that feels like on us, what we feel, how uncomfortable
we feel right now. These people have been feeling this
way their whole lives. And that was my first question,
is what have you learned um in the last few weeks?
And and you know, maybe you're you know we said

(27:05):
it earlier, maybe you've been the type of person who
has been learning this your whole life. But one of
the hardest realizations for me and and Ashley personally, as
we've talked offline, is there's been a plank in my
eye for thirty one years of my life. I thought
I knew what I was doing was right. I thought
I knew that I wasn't a racist, But as you said,
I'm learning this week, that there are things that I've

(27:28):
done every day, there's things that I've said, there's ways
I've treated people that is exhausting for the black community,
that is exhausting, that it's it's not fair and it's
not right. So my first question was, what have you learned? Um,
it's interesting that you say, uh, and we'll get into
the book in a second, but it's interesting that you
say that it's not the job of the black community

(27:50):
to to educate us. Can you dive into that a
little bit, because, um, it has I mean, you're right,
like if we're exhausted this week, right, So, so you
and I sitting here and Ashley sitting there, and ash
she was in tears a little bit ago, and we're saying,
oh my gosh, this has been an exhausting week. Holy cow,
let's take a step back and realize that that this

(28:10):
like how how privileged is it for us to say
it's been an exhausting week? Because if you said this
is a lifetime for them, right, Well, it's interesting, you know, Um,
I I think the thing that I've learned is that
it was really interesting. I had this wonderful conversation with

(28:31):
one of the co hosts um On Entertainment tonight in
Michelle Turner, who I love like a sister. We worked
together for a decade. We share a love of fashion.
We get cod over celebrities. You know, we host the
SAG Awards for a d together, like we match our outfits.
I'm actually really just embarrassed, like I'm so sorry because
I've been your friend for all these years, but like,

(28:52):
have I been a good friend? Like I'm not sure
that I have. And I think I've come to you
before and said what do you think of this? And
I've realized it's not you know, your job to educate me.
And she said something so wonderful. She said, Kelty, you know,
anytime you're uncomfortable or you're making progress, there's nothing to
be ashamed about. So you shouldn't feel ashamed about that.

(29:13):
And and she said, um, and anyone who makes you
feel that way is probably awf a little bit. And
she and then she said, you know, I've had a
very similar learning experience with the lgbt Q community. She's like,
I grew up in the South black South, like I
maybe didn't have my lessons in that. And so I
actually loved that answer because it made me feel like

(29:36):
we all as human beings have something to learn. This
is the thing this week that we absolutely have to
focus on long term. This can't just be like a
flash in a pan thing obviously, but you know, it's like,
I was really appreciative and I think that when you
show that you're doing the work that I think our
friends are black friends are thankful for that, you know.

(29:56):
With Lady again yesterday, we realized we kind of sat
back INTOK a couple of days and you know, we
have we don't do politics on our podcast, we don't
do politics on our Facebook because we felt like when
we started the brand, you know, politics is that thing
that divides people. Right, it's like your left or your right,
and I'm Canadian, so I'm like different, you know, and
then there's like UK and you know, so it's like

(30:16):
if we want this one world community of women, like
you can't really do politics as we always took it
out of the group. And then we realized, well, maybe
we've done ourselves a disservice by kind of avoiding these
hard conversations. It's a little easier, um, and we had
to go to our fans and be like we sucked
up and we didn't use our power in the right way,

(30:36):
and like we have to change that and now we are.
But how embarrassing We've been doing this for five years.
I've been on TV for ten years, like I'm forty.
It's so freaking pathetic that we're doing this right now.
Like I'm so embarrassed that I'm reading the book White
Fragility for the first time, Like I should have been
doing this when I was nineteen, like I'm or six. Well,

(30:58):
thanks for sharing, Um, I appreciate you, Keelty, thank you
for for sharing it. And yeah, um just that on,
thanks for coming on. But yeah, we do have a
book to promote. It feels so stupid. I literally am
like what am I doing? And also I'm like a psycho,
Like all I want to do is promote this book,
like I have loved and lived this book for a

(31:20):
year and a half, Like I'm it's like I'm birthing
my child and they can't get the babies it would
tell us about the book. It's called Act like a Lady.
So basically it's totally stupid in light of what's happening
in the world. But here's what you do. You get
your book that's going to help you change your mindset
on these issues that are in our country. You get
your face mask and you wear it and you don't

(31:41):
go to the beach and be besides someone four feet
away only and then you get act like a lady
off Amazon. You put it on the bookshelf for a week,
and then when you feel like the time is right
for something fun, you open the book and you see
the vagina wallpaper and you know that this is going
to be. This is gonna be where you're gonna go

(32:02):
with the book. So Jack drew these vaginas. Now that
the book is essentially Um, thanks for asking. I feel
so stupid to I'm just gonna say this again, like
I feel ridiculous. Um, but listen, this is a year
and a half of hard work and I want to
honor it that work. Um, So the books and four points.
It's your relationship with yourself, your relationship with your lover,

(32:23):
your relationship with your career, and your relationship with your friends.
And we came together and we wrote all the super
vulnerable essays about those different things in our lives. So
you know, I was married when I was twenty and
I talked about being a like a twenty year old
bride where my dad was like, here we go a pumpkin,
and I'm pretty sure he meant like, you don't have

(32:45):
to do this. Do you want me to get you
out of here right now? Like as I didn't know
you're married before. It's like my best kept secret. I
have not talked about it. This is what you're supposed
to do. Like when Jessica Simpson was like, I had
an emotional fair Johnny Knoxville in her book, you keep
like when you're a real celebrity, you keep all your deepest,
darkest secrets for the print. Um so, yeah, I was married.

(33:05):
I don't know, Yeah I was married wise twenty Um
I was married for eleven months to this guy from
New York who I think is in the FBI. Now
it's all in the book. It's like too much of
a starre to even share. But um, so we talked
about that and like vulnerable things like um, oh, when
I had my neck done like two years ago, talk
about right now. Yeah, when I had a thirty five

(33:26):
year old necklift because you had had a waddle and
it bothered me. Um, because I'm that vain and stupid. Um.
But when you talk about losing people. We talk about um,
you know the Becca has like dated a sex addict,
so we talked about I mean, there's just like a
lot of those. Do you have stories from your your
co host, your lady getting co host Becca Tobin and

(33:49):
Jack Van Jack vanneck Um And then people might be wondering, okay,
like we like Kelty, we know her from E T
But why why are the almost famous podcast? Why is
she here? Well? You, I don't know a lot of
you don't know. Tell them why why you are appropriate
fit for this podcast? Okay? So you know all you
bitches and men's when you are like, you know what

(34:10):
I want to do. I want to go on The
Bachelor that looks like fun. I am the person that
will tell you do not can do that. You guys
have both had luck somewhat of luck. Well now it
all turned out okay. But so I was an unemployed
something twenty something without a television. By the way, I
loved US Weekly like and I would see all these

(34:33):
people come out and I was like, this is the
show for me. I'm gonna be in Trista Sutter like
I got this. So I went on and I lasted
twenty four hours. It was the most traumatic experience of
my life. Um it was Emily Maynard season and I
was in a limo with Emily Maynard. Oh you were okay.
You were on brad wall Mac season while Emily was

(34:53):
there Okay season two. His second time in the limo
was like Emily Maynard and Michelle Money and me, that's
an intimidating bunch. I remember looking at them and being like,
I have no boobs and I've just realized this for
the first time in my life, and like, there's no
faking way this guy is gonna want a girl with
no boobs. And I walked out and I remember walking

(35:16):
up to him and I was like, oh, like, you
know they make you wear so much makeup? You remember
been like yeah, And I was like this guy is like, oh,
so much makeup and I was like gross. Anyway, I
did an amazing high kick out of the limo, which
I don't think I get enough credit for, and then
I got kicked off and it was so dramatic, to

(35:36):
the point that Caitlin Bristol, Caitlin Bristol and I grew
up together, so their mom's Leslie her mom and my
mom Sheila were like best friends. They all worked at
the Stance studio together, Like I was in every Kid
Fashion show with Caitlyn and her sister. Like we anyway,
So Caitlin like three years later, writes me this email

(35:56):
and she's like, hey, I'm thinking about going on the Batch.
So I'm living then over right now. And I wrote
her this impassioned plate. I was like, Caitlin, this is
something that they can never take from you forever. No
matter what you do. You're going to be that girl
who went on the Bachelor. Was like it was the
worst experience of my life. They was like it was

(36:17):
so embarrassing, like, oh my god, do not go. And
then like I never hear from her, and then all
of a sudden, she's like the Bachelorette. I'm like, oh
my god. And now we always laugh about it because
I'm like, can you imagine, like you built this whole
career and she's like all the stuff she's doing, and
I'm like, and I told you to just stay being
a waitress in Vancouver, right advice? Don't use my advice.
So that's hilarious. Kelsey. My last question for you, because

(36:38):
we gotta we gotta move on. To the lead leading
lady of Labor of Love. Um oh, I loved her. Yeah,
she's so pretty. How did you get from being the
girl that wasn't elimited night one to like a host
on et insanely popular podcast. Just you just kind of
like pretended like it never happened, right, and you just

(37:00):
built this amazing career. No. I mean, the thing is
that when you get kicked off so fast, it's like
you don't have any of the notoriety. And when I start,
when I was on there was no like Instagram, like,
it wasn't like it is now where like reality Steve
is uncovering the spoilers, Like, it didn't work like that.
So I kind of went off. And then I was
actually a professional dancer at the time, and I was

(37:22):
still dancing and kept kept doing that career, and I
had this blog and it had become kind of popular,
and I've been creating all these YouTube videos. And then
I was at a lunch and this girl CBS is like,
do you want to make some digital videos for CBS?
And I was like, okay, what's that. Like I've never
went to a real job interview before in my life,
and like showed up in like my Van Halen T
shirt and they were like, oh, that's an interesting choice. Um.

(37:43):
And then I started making the videos and they did
really well. And then I just spent ten years like
moving up the ladder um to do TV. So, I mean,
there's a million ways that you can get into it.
It's just a lot of people don't have that work ethic,
like to do what you guys are doing. Like it's like, yeah,
it's so fun and it's so great, but it's also
job and that's not always fun, you know. I just

(38:04):
looked up, by the way, I just looked up on
Google your kick no no, no, you're a Bachelor or
your Bachelor picture. Uh. It's it's hard to find because
it's under the name Keilty Bush. Oh yeah, that's my
maiden name. But it's there and and it's a good one.
We're going to post it to the Bachelor to our
Facebook group totally. First of all, the ombre hair, that

(38:26):
just shows you how long ago it was. Oh my goodness,
it's really fantastic. Well hey, Kelty Knight, Uh, thank you
for coming on once again. Her new book Act Like
a Lady is available now. Uh, Kelty, where can people
find it before we let you go. Yeah, everywhere books
are sold so like Amazon, Barnes and Noble books a million. Um,

(38:47):
We're asking people to support indie booksellers right now. And
that's it awesome, Hey, Kelty Knight, thanks a lot, Thanks guys. Bye.
There's obviously, as we mentioned, a lot going on in

(39:08):
Bachelor Nation right now, and and a lot of it
rightfully so has been kind of surrounding the topic of
educating everybody on UM the just in a sense systematic
not even a sense, the truth that systematic racism has
existed UM the United States UM since the beginning and

(39:30):
and again, as we mentioned the beginning of the podcast,
if that makes you uneasy to hear, I just uh
you know what I just asked you take a step
back and uh spend some time educating yourself. Now. Nobody
is saying that, uh, that we need to dismiss people.
Nobody is saying that there is not a brighter future ahead.
Nobody is saying that we just stopped here. But the

(39:53):
topics surrounding everything right now is, hey, we need to
start listening, we need to stand up UM. And and and
the protests are about not only the fact that black
lives matter, but also against police brutality and and recently, UH,
we've seen police officers join in on these marches, uh

(40:14):
in these protests because UH, I don't want to say
a majority, I don't know the numbers, but a lot
of police officers who and we have people that are
listening right now that have familing members of the police officers.
They're good people who want to do a good thing
in this world and who are here for the for
if in Batchelor terms, the right reasons. UM. But there
is select few police officers out there, and maybe there's

(40:35):
more than anybody's ever known that that need to be
found out, that need to be removed from their jobs
and and some of which need to be UM charges
need to be pressed because they have continue to bring
down and focus on the black community for too long.
And and in relation to the story that and in
the video that we've seen this week with George Floyd's death,

(40:57):
there's been too many people that have had their knees
literally on the next of of black humans for too long,
and it's time to stand up. And some of the
people have been leading us through this are Rachel Lindsay
from Bachelor Nation. Rachel Lindsay has been very outspoken, UH,
and we're learning a ton from her right now. Uh.
She has updated her picture to Ahmad are Berry who

(41:19):
was shot UM just a few weeks ago. And and
she's also been UM starting a podcast called Higher Learning.
She's doing that with Van Leathan, UH to educate us
all on topics really pressing that are pressing uh the
country right now. So that right now they're obviously focusing

(41:40):
on the things that are prevalent and the and the
protests and the riots and the unfair death of really
great people. But this podcast will continue and and they
will just continue to keep us updated and educated. In
addition to that, Mike Johnson has posted a photo UH
that gained a lot of attention and that people are
on to Ashley. Uh. Mike posted this photo and added

(42:04):
a lengthy caption that explained UM a lot of kind
of his his upbringing and what he just wanted to
communicate to all of us on where he came from,
what his dreams are, and who he is as a man.
Surerid it? I think we should. It's long, UM, but
actually take it away. Okay, He said, I didn't always

(42:25):
believe in myself or my voice growing up, I always
thought the idea of accomplishing a big dream, let alone
surpassing one, was just something that could be talked about
but never actually realized. A lot of things took place
in my life that reinforced that for me, and for
a long time, I never felt truly seen. That's why

(42:45):
representation matters, and that's why my work at b b
B S America is so important. It's for nearly a decade,
he says, um, I've been working as a big through
their incredible organization, which means that I've had the opportunity
to show up for a little child waiting to believe
in his voice. Many of the children are on the

(43:07):
wait list for younger versions of myself. Black kids are
watching the news, hearing different points of view and not
understanding where they fit in. It really shouldn't be that
hard for a kid to see their potential or no
their safety. Through this mentorship of young people, we can
add to the work being done to heal our society.
This is not an ad nor is it a solution

(43:29):
the only solution. This is just a calling from my
heart to yours to consider becoming a big in your
hometown to help advance the conversation with the next generation
of young people who will do better in this world
because they have been seen. Yeah. So it's it's things

(43:49):
like this that are UM they're helping educates not as
we've talked about, it is not the job of UM
the black community to educate us. We have to take
responsibility for that. But it's resources like the one Mike
shared and involving UH, everybody involving themselves and those in

(44:10):
those organizations and those missions and those causes that will
help us progress forward. I also want to add one
little thing. UM, if you guys saw my Instagram yesterday,
my friend had a really great idea on NBA two K,
which is one of his favorite games. They had this
cool thing with COVID nineteen where you can do an

(44:31):
in game donation, and he was hoping that we could
get the attention of somebody at NBA two K to
do the same thing, but for the organization's supporting UM
this kind of change that we need in the world.
So he was thinking about having the NBA players in
the digital game be wearing certain h jerseys that advocate

(44:53):
advocate for change, and to have the like basically to
have a five dollar donation or so on um, and
then you can have your entire digital team be wearing
these jerseys and then the money would go to these organizations.
So if you guys like this idea, or you know
somebody in the two K, the NBA two K community

(45:14):
who works for them, has ties or clout to the game,
just go to my recent Instagram post posting the comments
and then I'll try to pass it on to who
I can. Thanks ash. Uh. Hannah Brown has, as we mentioned,
came out and apologized for using the N word in
a rap song a few weeks ago. The UH coming

(45:38):
from a direct quote from Hannah during an apology. She
is completely focused on educating herself, even hiring an educator
to help. She says, and this is Hannah's words, help
me understand the things that I've never even have been taught,
learned or been a part of my education before. Later
Uh in the apology, UH, Hannah says this to all

(46:01):
the fans and listeners she said. She concluded her video
with this. She says, if you want to support me, UH,
do not defend me. What I did. What I said
was indefensible. She later says, I don't need anybody to
defend me for what I did, because what I said
what I did was wrong. But I'm hoping that what
I did was But what I'm hoping that what I

(46:23):
did was wrong. But what I didn't know even before
is the worst part of it, and it's the ignorance.
I'm no longer ignorant, and I'm no longer going to
be a part of the problem. Brown vowed, I will
be a part of the solution. And if you see that,
from the bottom of my heart, I am sorry. I'm
sorry to everyone I heard and disappointed. I promised to
continue to do better. I promise. That's from Hannah Brown

(46:46):
in her apology this week, she took to Instagram live
and it was about twenty minutes long. Uh, And it's
really I think what fans, what non fans, people who
were angry at Hannah, what they were kind of crying
for for a while was Hannah, we need to hear
from you. And she just took a while. But it
sounds like during that time she was educating herself on

(47:07):
on why and and and what and how that what
she said was wrong. Kind of that the history and
and the heaviness to using the inn word in any circumstance.
We are certainly not the people to accept the apology
from Hannah, but we definitely respect her being on this

(47:27):
learning mission and to encourage others to get on the
train with her as well. Um, I really do feel
like she's trying to better herself. Yeah, I think so too,
and and that's the hope. And I don't think and
we never condoned her being canceled. I think what everybody
was just waiting for was a very genuine apology, and
I think we got it definitely. Yeah, we just wouldn't

(47:49):
know where she stood. If she didn't want to apologize,
then that would teach us something else. We're just kind
of waiting to hear from Hannah, and she finally did well.
In more Bachelor Nation news, Um, bachel Nation has been
sitting their support to Colton and Cassie after they announced
their split. Now, I didn't see this coming. I didn't
interview last week, and I wrongfully said that I don't

(48:12):
think Cassie and Colton were not together, because Colton was
posting pictures and seeming very happy, and I was like,
I just don't. I mean, I've been in that situation.
It's heavy, it's hard, it's confusing, But we did find
out that Colton and Cassie have broken up. They seem
like they've done it on mutually good terms. What do
you know, ash m hmm. There's not much, but I

(48:33):
know that cat there doesn't not There's not much more
to elaborate on, but Cassie is really annoyed. There's a
lot of stories going around that this is a long
time coming and that she tried to break up with
him multiple times before this one actually stuck, and she
is very much going after those publications saying that that
is not the case at all. Um. She she and

(48:56):
Colton Um they split at some point after he left
her family's house once he recovered from COVID, and I
started to get a little bit suspicious when it was
her birthday and his birthday message didn't sound like one
to a girlfriend. And then when he left and went

(49:18):
to he go to Colorado, Colorado. When he went to
Colorado without her, I was like, you know, they're not
engaged or not married. It's not that weird. But then
I felt like as time went on and there was
less and less mentions of each other, I started to
become a little I started speculating a bit, but you know,
I thought that possibly they're going through a rough patch,

(49:40):
and I am sad to hear the end of them.
I really think they were so adorable, and to think
about how hard, cold and fought for her and all
the wonderful things that he says about her in the book,
and their relationship just seems so sweet whenever I was
around it. So I'm pretty sad about it. Yeah, it's tough,
but we're thinking of them. It's never for fun Um

(50:01):
to go through a public breakup. We wish them both
the best. Another Bachelor news, Lauren and Ari got pregnant
this month and then she suffered a miscarriage. It's very sad.
They have a half an hour video up on their
YouTube explaining the entire past couple of weeks where she
had a missed miscarriage, which means that the embryo didn't

(50:25):
quite miscarry, and there's some like at eight weeks, the
embryo was only at five weeks. They're going to do
a far better job. They do a far better job
explaining the actual kind of miscarriage that she had, So
go check that out on YouTube. We're really sorry and
we're thinking about them. But um, in brighter news, we

(50:47):
we did have a bachelor birth this week. Bachelor in
Paradise alum Jenna Cooper welcomed her first child. Her name
is Pressley Bell and she is a beautiful baby. She
has a full head of brown hair and she shares
the child with her new boyfriend, whom she's been with

(51:08):
for I think about a year now. And if you
go on to Jena's social media, you'll see that she
kind of gave us a headline of the moment she
went into labor, to her getting to the hospital, and
then Pressley's birth. This is huge bachelor news. Victoria Fuller
and Crystals are apparently exclusively dating. Ben and I both

(51:32):
have told you guys that we haven't really talked to
Chris about this. Um, so we are not the ones
that are anonymously saying that they are exclusively dating to
US magazine. But this source, unnamed says that they are exclusive,
and damned does it seem like Victoria hospital a lot
of time on the farm. She looks to have been

(51:54):
in Iowa for at least six weeks now. She is
still quarantining over there and took a little drive up
to see Kelsey from her season. So it seems like
we have a new Bachelor couple to add to the
list of happy couples we've got going on out there.
Madison prue it will not be in a happy couple
anytime soon. She says that after the dating experience she

(52:18):
had on The Bachelor, she's just gonna lay low for
a while. And she says, quote, after I go through
something big in life, like a break up, a transitional move,
a change, or anything like that, I really try to
take the time to make sure my heart is in
the best place and then my heart, mind, and body
are all healthy. She said that she's been taking time
to really get back to the best version of herself
and make sure that she's in a great place. And

(52:40):
right now she hasn't even considered going on dates or
anything like that, and anybody who's asked about, you know,
her going on dates, she's just been saying, I'm focusing
on myself right now. She further denies there being any
sort of serious rotation with a Connor. Last week on
My Husband's podcast, Dean Unglert said he one time slid

(53:01):
into Andy Dorfman's d MS, he saw a picture of
her and bff Amanda standing on Instagram and he was like, Oh,
that girl's cute. Then he clicked on the picture and
he was like, oh, that's any door from the past bachelor. Right.
Dean doesn't exactly remember whether or not he slid into
the d M or whether he just had Amanda tried
to put in a good word for him, but the

(53:22):
bottom line is he thought Andy Dorfman was cute, but
now it's very happy in a year long relationship with Caitlin.
Now we got uh some crossing of the reality TV
lines and fiance start. Fernanda Flores is now dating a bachelor,

(53:43):
Alam McClay Harbor. They even aired a date last week
on TV via zoom um it's the ninety day Fiance
self Quarantined. Addition, it was on Monday's episode where the
twenty two year old had a date with Clai a Um.
They apparently have gone out on a date that was

(54:03):
that happened before quarantine. She said she wasn't in the
best place back then. She was just recently just you know,
finalized her divorce. But now she's getting to a better
place and I guess she's zooming on TV with Clay
and finally our last piece of Bachelor news, and it's
an important one. Guys. Bachelor producers have a surprising plan

(54:26):
for how the Bachelor franchise will film in quarantine. I
don't really know if it's surprising, because we did speculate
about it, uh a couple of months ago, but it
looks like they're going to decide on a resort location
to film the entire season at very soon. They go
on to say that it's not so much the guys

(54:49):
self quarantining that's gonna be the big problem here when
it comes to the covid era, but it's going to
be having so much staff, so much production in such
close quarters, because they're even talking about like the control
room and normally have like at least ten people in
something the size of a trailer. Ten people, and that

(55:12):
is going to be really hard to create distance in.
So that is what they're trying to figure out now.
But when we do figure out what resort or what
state they'll be filming in, of course we will let
you know. Here. We're just excited and as long as
far as the timeline goes, it looks as if they
still have their goal. On a September air all right,

(55:36):
well those are your Bachelor headlines. After the break, we're
going to have somebody who is a Bachelor alum that
you may know that may have no idea was on
the show before. Alright, guys, so now we have the

(55:58):
leading lady of Labor of Love. It is on Thursdays
at nine o'clock eight Central on Fox, and you, guys,
don't tell ABC or Mike Flights or anything, but it's
very similar to the Bachelorette, except in this case the
lady is looking for more of a sperm donor than

(56:21):
a lover. But it's kind of somewhere in between. So
I'm gonna get Christie Katzman on the line and she's
gonna tell me about her new Fox show, Labor of Love. Hey, Christie, Hi, Okay, Christy.
We just had Keelty Night on and she was on

(56:41):
The Bachelor many years ago, Mountain many years ago, ten
years ago, Bradwallmax first season, and you were also on
Bradwall Max season. But you were on the first of
his two seasons right yes, one point now and you
lasted five weeks. Gosh, it's hard to remember the timeline.

(57:02):
I was in final six, so wow, it used to
be more drastic about the cuts. You know, it went
from to fifteen the very first night. Damn, that's wild
a lot of pressure. That is a lot of pressure. Okay,
so you made the top six, which which is um
especially these days, you make top sis six, you're pretty memorable.

(57:26):
But I guess before the social media era, if you
made top six, you made Top six, and then you
were kind of you truly had your fifteen minutes of fame, right, Yeah,
it's funny. I think that was the last season really
um a where we didn't get to travel around the
world and do all these really cool destination dates. But
it was like the last season before social media really hit.

(57:48):
So I really feel like I was kind of part
of old school Bachelor Nation. So you went from Bachelor
Nation to getting married briefly in two ausand fifteen um,
not having any kids, but having an amazing successful career,
and then you've decided to go back to reality TV

(58:11):
to find is it love or is it sperm? Because
I'm trying to find I watched the first episode and
I still couldn't quite figure out what is the primary
goal here? Is it to find a husband or is
it to find somebody that you like enough to be
the father of your children and to keep in your
life forever. Yeah. I mean that's a great question. It's

(58:33):
funny because that has come up a lot with people,
and at first it surprised me because I felt so
clear about what I was doing. But you know, it's
a little unconventional, so I understand the confusion. I will
say I never went on the show to find a
sperm donor, like, way easier ways to do that than
go on a reality television show, right. I think for me,
I did this because I really wanted it all um.

(58:56):
You know, for me, I was already on the path
to pursuing motherhood on my own, and that was something
that I had really started looking into seriously, you know,
probably in the year prior to the show crossing my Path,
and I had hesitated with that because if that's what
I needed to do, I was willing to do it.
But I really wanted to have that experience with a partner.
So for me, the show kind of just fit my

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life perfectly, and it seemed like a great opportunity to
sort of give that one last push before I moved
forward with motherhood on my own. Because you know, you
have a group of men who are basically selected for me,
that are in the same place as me. So I
would say, short and sir, I wanted it all was
to fall in love and to fall in love with

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me on that I could also see starting a family with,
So that was my my dream goal in the situation.
But that being said, I was really open to other outcomes,
and that's where, especially in this season one, we kind
of have to see how it all plays out, because
I was open to co parenting and I was willing
to move forward on my own. If that's how things
kind of played okay, very interesting. So basically we'll have

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to watch the entire series and follow your life afterwards
to see how this okay exactly How cool was it
to have Kristin Davis be the co host, who I
truly think is the perfect fit for this because in
a way, you're kind of Charlotte oriented. If you guys
don't know Charlotte from Sexonicity was always the hopeless romantic

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who always wanted to be a wife and a mom,
and not only was that her m O on the show,
but in real life she actually I don't know that
she ever found like her soul mate but she found
her kids who she adopted, so she was able to
figure it out in a way. But I just think

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that it's really cool that she was selected to be
the host because I think like both her real life
and her on screen life, uh kind of relate to
what you're going through. Yeah, it's so true and it's funny.
I didn't know that chris and was going to be
the host. So I opened the door the first day
and it's Charlotte from Sex in the City standing at
the door. And I may have looked calm that I

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was definitely not calm inside. I mean, Charlotte was my girl.
So I'm thinking, you know, I was in my twenties
when Sex in the City, you know, aired the first time,
and I was a Charlotte, So I'm already kind of
freaking out. I think this is the reason my friends
are most jealous of me is because I got spent
a couple of months with Kristen and have Christens like
a bff. So I don't blame them, um, but you're

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so right. I mean, her her character really had, you know,
some of the same struggles, and I feel like Christen's
really relatable in just how her like that she spent
her thirties really pursuing acting, obviously having a hit show
and being very engrossed in that. Um. And I think
this is true for a lot of women, you know,
you me myself, and I see this in a lot
of women I know. Assume that the family piece will

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just fall into place. Um, And so then it becomes
when it doesn't and you are running out of top time,
what do you do? And that's where you have to
start having more of an open mind and maybe pursuing
things unconventionally. Yeah. And we even saw Charlotte's character, you know,
she adopted on the show. She also then adopted in
real life. And then um, she went through IVF on

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Sex in the City with Harry because they're having a
hard time conceiving. And you worked with Dr Brian Kaplan
at Ova egg Freezing in Chicago, which is ironically where
Whitney Bishop angel Um. You know the winner quote quote
of Chris Souls this season works. And I've known about
OVA and I did a whole podcast on it a

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couple of years ago. So why did you go with
h OVA? Is they are they really like the creme
Dela creme of egg freezing yes. I mean so OVID self,
I think is kind of a special thing. And I
had already started to work with them before this show
kind of came about in my life, and I think
what they've done really is they've tried to cater to

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um women, you know, and in quote unquote single women.
So you go in there and it really is about
egg freezing, so you're maybe not inundated with all of
the other things if you went into a regular fertility clinic, right,
and they've also done something really special. I think they
really do kind of give you this v I P treatment,
which I know personally I've experienced the opposite of that.

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You know, when you kind of go in being single
h in this situation, you know, it can be a
little harsh sometimes. So I feel like Ovid's tried to
try to create something that is just about egg freezing
um and you know, made that an exciting, luxurious experience
versus something that maybe you feel self conscious about. And

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of course Dr kaplan Um you know, works with that
team as well, and of course you know the IVF
would happen with Dr kaplin Um. But Dr keplan is amazing,
you know, I actually know so many women that have
babies now because of Dr Kaplin. So I had already
done my research, and I feel like O was something special.
It's relatively new and and you know, having the opportunity

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to work with Dr Kaplin, I already knew I wanted
to work with him. So this is like a dream
combination happening here. That's so cool. In the first episode,
the guys like they meet you and then they're ushered
off to go get samples up their sperm. They are
given some materials and they're like a vehicle sort of

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like it kind of looks like a big porta potty thing,
but the guys go in there to get their samples,
And like, how awkward did you feel during that moment
and being like one of the opening scenes of the show,
and like the guy's first activity, were you like poor guys?
Or were at the same time being like, yeah, we
are getting down to business. I need both. But first

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of all, can we just say that no one else
is allowed to claim most awkward date in the world,
because that most awkward first date, I think awkard group
date most say. I mean, so it was both really
and I think people don't realize this, but I actually
didn't know that was going to happen so um, and
I don't think Kristen did either. So we're standing there

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and kind of realizing what's going to happen. And I
was definitely panicking inside because of exactly what you said.
I had literally just met these guys maybe twenty minutes before.
We had a really big weather delay that morning with filming,
so I really did only have about fifteen twenty minutes
to actually social life with them before we went out
to do the whole like fertility test, right, So I

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thought for sure half the guys would run away um,
and I was really pleasantly surprised when they didn't. I
knew that I had to look calm and stay strong
or they probably would start freaking out. Um. But what's
that go over the initial shock? Honestly, I thought, well,
why shouldn't they have to go through this? And I
think a big fear that I had going into this

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was could they find men who truly wanted this to um?
Because obviously a woman's timeline is a little bit different, right.
So I feel like this was a really good way
to really see who was there for the right reasons,
Because if you weren't why would you do it? Our
parents are going to watch this, so you let me

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into the perfect direction to ask this. A lot of
people are talking a lot about age when it comes
to Claire's season. She's going to be thirty nine and
a half when it starts filming. Um. A lot of
the guys ages that were announced prior in March, they
were young. A lot of people worried that they wouldn't

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be ready for the type of lifestyle that Claire was
ready for. What advice would you give to her? Uh,
weeding out the men when she does finally meet them. Yeah, well,
she's not allowed to do the fertility testing. I already
claimed that one. So I mean, I think you see
this as the show goes on. Um, you know, the

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episodes kind of roll out with labor of love. But
you know, I feel like I'm really direct in this show.
And a lot of people have commented on that, And
the truth is, it's because That's where I'm at in life.
This is already the way that I've been having to
date the last couple of years. Um, and at this
point in life, like I literally don't have time to waste.

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But I've also just gotten to the point in life
where I have no interest in wasting anyone's time, and
I don't want anyone to waste my time. So I
think you just learned to be more direct. So I'm
sure Claire is already on this, but that would be
my advice to her. Be very clear about what you're
looking for, and don't be afraid to ask the hard
questions sooner rather than later. Knowing Claire, I don't think

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she's going to have a problem with any of that.
I don't think she's a problem. Do you have you
ever met her or do you watch the show Hardcore? Yeah,
I've watched the show. Yeah, so I do remember her
from her season. And then I saw I saw, you know,
when they did the big announcement, and you know, I
of course had already filmed this show, so I knew
that it was um coming out sometime. I just didn't

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know when then, And I remember thinking, this is a
big moment, you know, to have a bachelorette who is
maybe a little older than the typical bachelorette. And then,
you know, knowing that my show is coming out, that
really speaks to me what is happening in modern society
right now? There are so many women, and honestly, I
think what you'll learn on Labor of Love there's actually

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quite a few men in this position too, so I
think it's really refreshing to actually see this talk about
uh huh where they spent so long of their twenties
and thirties developing a career. Right and then yeah, yeah,
all right, well, Christie, Um, we're wishing you all the
luck in the world. We know that you've already taped
a show, but whatever you're going through in your romantic

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and or fertility life right now, we hope it's going
very well. And you guys, if you are fans of
the Bachelor franchise, are gonna love Labor of Love. Upon
and ended. It's Fox nine o'clock on Thursdays. It's gonna
hold you over till Claire season, I promise you. By Christie.

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Almost in this podcast is one that actually I do
care a lot about, and I know that this is
a time where both of us, all of us are
a little confused. We're also learning a ton. We've talked
about it throughout the podcast today. When I say that
if you are uncomfortable with the idea that black lives matter,

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that we don't need you here, I mean that, but
we want you here. We want to do this together,
We want to learn together. The people who have listened
to this podcast, uh, for the most part, have been
a great community to us, and we want to continue
to bring you up to date on Bachelor News and
the ins and outs of this world and the people
that are participating in it. But we also never want

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to neglect the pressing, very difficult, very important, extremely important
issues that are in this world right now, and also
have a respect and a love for each human within
that knowing that ultimately, because we all you are listening
and we are talking, we all have a responsibility at

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some level to respond and to have an opinion, and
within this right now, the opinion should be shouted from
the rooftop that black lives do matter. They matter so much,
but so to yours. So get out there, no matter
what color you are, love on others well, um, and

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continue listening to this podcast, we hope, because Ashley and
I have a really good time doing it, even though
the last few months have been hard. But I've I've
I've really actually I've came to this conclusion. I am
who I am. I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna listen. I'm
gonna try my best to respond and to hear the
critiques and get better as a host and to get
better as a co host to you. But I am
who I am, and I can't be ashamed of that,

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and I can't run from that, and I can't hide
it because when I do, I'm not my best self
and I'm not doing anybody justice. You've been your best today,
that's for sure as well. Hey, I love your kid,
uh and and we're with all the people out there
right now protesting. UM. And I wish I could be
better too. I wish that I could express myself more

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articulate without having to express it through my tears. But
you know what, that is something I will try to
work on, and I try to work on all the time. UM.
But yeah, you guys, we love you. Thank you for
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