Texts on the Beach with Dean Unglert

We break down all the drama surrounding Blake.  First, what is happening on the beach with Blake and his multiple relationships.  Then, the private text messages that Blake posted between him and Caelynn. We find out where Bachelor Nations stands on was this right or wrong.

  Dean Unglert joins Ben as they try to understand every aspect of this heartbreaking drama.

Meanwhile, why is Bibiana having such a hard time finding a connection in Paradise?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's do this. This is the Ben and Ashley I
almost Famous podcast with her radio. I have a headache.
This is this is this so much is happening right now.
It's just too much for me to process. This is
the almosts podcast. I'm Ben Higgins and Ashley is not here,
so we're filling her in with the one and only,

(00:20):
the beautiful, the incredibly interesting, unbelievably hunky, patient, funny kind
man that I it really has caught my heart and
I for years now. I feel like I don't know
my life before him. His name is Dean Angler. What

(00:41):
an incredible introduction that was. I'm flattered. I'm blushing right now.
Stop okay, keep blushing that back because you just know
it's true. You're like, yeah, I know that's how Ben feels.
It's like, I get it. It's funny. I haven't done
this podcast in a long time. So do you hear
an intro that's not to help I suck? A dating
intro is a little interesting. I hope you don't feel
out of place here. I feel a little out of place, Dean.
I think we just gotta jump into I don't. I mean,

(01:03):
we could fill the world in on what you're up to.
Maybe that would be a good way to start. Dean,
can you give us a little bit of an idea
of what you've been up to recently? Been climbing mountains,
riding dirt bikes, jumping out of airplanes, just about everything
I possibly can do. But I'm back in l A now.
You know. They gave me a call. They said Ben
needed a co host for this week's episode, and I said, look,
no further, I'm your guy. I'm coming right now. A

(01:24):
sixteen hour drive. I drove straight through the night. Here,
I am ready to rock and roll. Um. Two things, One,
Ashley like, Eddie's obviously eeting Mary, so I mean, I
know it's crazy, but she chose to focus on the
wedding and not through the podcast this week. Second, Dean, Um,
why in the world, Like, why does a guy like
you decided to do this show? You're traveling the world,

(01:46):
you're living in a van, you're interesting, you're cool, you're smart.
Like what are you doing? I mean, you're climbing mountains
and then going on TV? You may be honest. Yeah,
I want to be so honest because I know going
on TV will allow me to climb more mountains. And
jump out of more airplanes and go further around the world.
And I get that makes sense. The longing my ability

(02:07):
to do whatever the hell I want. It's fantastic. Do
you go on these like shows? I mean, when when
you start climbing mountains, are you at the top being like,
I want to continue to do this for the rest
of my life? How how am I going to do that?
Or is it I want to find a partner to
this with. And I think the Bachelor franchise may still
be that avenue to do it, and it also allows

(02:28):
me to climb mountains. I'll be perfectly honest with you,
I don't think the Bachelor franchise is the right place
to be looking for a person that will want to
climb those mountains with me. It seems like the demographic
of the average contestants not really going to be the
person that wants to be doing those things. From my
personal experience, at least there's a few outliers, of course,
But uh, you know, I kind of pride myself on
being a bit of a black sheep in that sense. Yeah,

(02:48):
you are. You're definitely a black sheep in in the
sense of your adventurous You're wild, you're outgoing, You're a
Colorado boy at heart, Um, and you know what you
do it pretty darn good. Wull be on the show.
The other thing, I don't know if you're gonna find
climbers and hunter gatherers on the Bachelor franchise, but you
will find a lot of drama. Quite frankly, Um, there

(03:13):
are just a lot going on right now, like a
lot of drama going on, lots of Paradise news this week.
And we have some friends that were involved with it.
I think we do. And I don't know how close
you to Blake. I would I considered him a good friend. Okay,
So that's how we're gonna start. Obviously, we talked Um

(03:34):
on the podcast yesterday, and Blake and are good buddies.
He lives in Denver. Um. I don't see him too often,
but when I'm around, we try to do dinner maybe
you know, once a month. Dean, You you know Blake,
you're familiar with Blake. We can give some insight here. Obviously,
Blake Horseman is hitting the news after last night's episode

(03:54):
of Paradise mostly because of this. Um. We've seen the
first two episodes. There's a storyline going on with him
and Klin. Also, there's a couple of storylines kind of
circle around this idea that a stagecoach Blake had slept
with Christina and kalin Um. And then on the first
episode we see Klin admit to a few people that

(04:16):
this relationship with Blake was something. I think the words
were that he silenced her, told her not to talk
about it, and then she was hurt by that, showing
up the paradise. Well, last night, I don't know about
seven Mountain time, Blake goes to his Instagram to release
a message on his feed speaking to the fact that

(04:38):
he's hurt, that he apologizes that he knows he made
a mistake, and then he released text messages from kalin
Uh that or it was a conversation between Kalen and Blake.
And I think the purpose of releasing those messages was
to highlight that, Hey, I didn't silencer Um. This was
a mutual relationship. We both knew what were getting into.
We both tried to work this out and and uh.

(05:00):
And so here we sit, the text message are in
the open. I want to start deing with getting your input.
I mean, I think I explained that correctly, right, I
don't know the whole story here, but I'm is there
anything I missed out on that sounds good to me
for the most part? Okay, that works. Um, So we're here,
sitting here now. The text message has been released last night.

(05:21):
It feels tell me if I'm wrong. It feels like
a big like this is a bigger deal, like a
big deal. Like these text messages getting released feel to
me like heavy for like just awkwardly heavy for some reason.
I agree, I think like the things discussed in the
text messages where what kind of makes it heavy? You
know what I mean? They weren't just like regular text messages.

(05:42):
And I've I've got a big issue with the text messages.
I don't want to hear why. I respect what he did.
At first, he posted a post uh kind of note
slides where he like had a paragraph explaining himself, explaining himself,
explaining himself. He's like, I made a mistake going to
stagecoach and sleeping with women back back nights. I regret that.
I'm trying to become a better person because of that.

(06:04):
I take ownership of my actions. That's fine. I appreciate
him apologizing for something that maybe he's not proud of
and taking ownership of that. What really crossed the line
for me, And I don't know if you if you
pay really close attention, I say I considered Blake a
good friend because he took private text messages between him
and another girl who did not consent to him. Releasing

(06:26):
these text messages and blasted them publicly for his six
thousand followers, gets picked up to the news outlets, which
then gets blasted out to millions more. It's it's like, yes,
and I'm not defending Kylin here. Klin made a lot
of mistakes. She she, judging by what we saw on
the show, comes across in not the best light Blake

(06:47):
to Blake made a lot of mistakes on the show
as well, But publishing and publicizing private text messages without
the consent of the other person as a public figure
is one of the most disgraceful things I think you
could possibly do. I think it's almost equivalent to like
sharing someone's new And this isn't just like like I said,
this isn't just a casual conversation Blake. As as it
was outlined on the show, Blake and Kalin seemingly or

(07:08):
allegedly had a relationship from January until April ish. That's
three months. Three or four months. That's a long time
to get to know someone. That's a lot of time
to develop like a rapport with each other, and you
have like a way of talking to each other. And
then you can go back and screenshot those messages and
to someone that is unfamiliar with that report, they're gonna
look at that and be like, that's weird. That doesn't

(07:28):
make sense to me. And then on Blake's side, I'm
sorry rambling here. I know, and I want to give
you permission to ramble because I don't know if there's
any way. I don't think there's any way to process this.
And as our listeners listen, I'm I'm thinking, I'm sitting here,
I'm going, hey, listeners, I think we just have to
process this together. And so Dean, I like your rambling.

(07:51):
Continue to ramble here, and then I'll try to pick
up some questions on the back end and see if
we can make sense at all. Here's another really really
frustrating thing that I thought of actually just was. I
was walking to studio today while the show was being filmed,
and while we watched it back at being aired, it
was two people having a conversation. Calin expressed her unpleasantness
and her displeasure with the situation. Blake sat there in

(08:13):
silence and wasn't really able to gather the word to
defend himself at the time. That was a conversation between
two people, both had the floor at any time they
wanted to to talk about what they wanted and defend themselves.
Remove that, and now come to where we were left yesterday.
With advertising and publicizing these messages, he then is going
back and picking the specific things that he wants to

(08:34):
share to prove his truths and paint the story that
he wants to paint. And that's really messed up in
my opinion, where when it's a conversation between two people,
he had nothing to say. But when he has the
ability to go back and curate exactly what he wants
to and paint the picture he wants to for his
audience and his followers and and gain the approval of
all of these strangers, he's able to pick what he

(08:56):
wants to say and share that with the world. And
now it's like, no matter what Calin us next, she's
kind of responding to it, which puts her at a disadvantage.
So let me play devil's advocate here, because I do
think there's one. Uh. If I understand why Blake released
the messages, I think it's pretty clear he felt pushed
into a corner. He felt like what was being said

(09:17):
on the show was not true to how it went down,
That he didn't tell her to be to be quiet,
that actually a text mts to speak to them both
kind of talking it out and being like, let's just
be honest if it's brought up. Um, you know, while
we've both messed up here, but if we're honest about it,
we're all good. We're too concending adults Like those kind
of things were said, and so I think if I

(09:37):
imagine it as I read them last night, I was like, Okay, well,
after reading this, it looks like what was said on
the show isn't exactly true. That Blake did not silence Kalen.
But how I guess is that your take coming out
of it also is that whatever was said that he
maybe couldn't put the thoughts together on the show. But afterwards,

(09:58):
as he looks back and he and like reviews the
conversation they had, he goes, oh wait, no, it is
how I remember it. I didn't silence her. Well, it's
kind of it's I'm in a tricky spot here because
I do make an appearance on Bachelor in Paradise this year, right,
I haven't made the appearance as far as the audience
is concerned. But I was able to speak with both
Kaylin and Blake during my time on the beach, and
so I have a better understanding of the situation through

(10:21):
my own lens, of course, and you know, probably better
than anyone. Well maybe not in paradise terms, but you're
having let's say there's twenty people in Paradise. That means
that anytime there could be ten conversations going on during
sixteen hours a day. And at that point they're not
going to be able to show every facet and alley
of the conversation, right, They're going to basically use the

(10:42):
parts of the conversation that they want to paint Blake
in the way that they want to paint him. And
my interpretation of watching it back understanding what I what
I learned from being on the beach is that they
just weren't able to put in everything that was said
between the two of them. M H. And it makes
Calin look really bad, it makes Blake look really bad.
They both look really bad. It's real. It's hard to

(11:03):
defend either of them in the situation in my opinion,
but I think that there's a lot more to the
story that we just necessarily weren't able to see. Yeah,
I mean those text messages are pretty revealing that the
text messages highlight, you know, kind of their their plan,
what they're gonna do when they spend time together. It
also talks about how they're gonna process through this when

(11:24):
they get to the show. I actually, um, and I
don't know, Maybe Dean tell me if I'm crazier. I
read through the text and I don't really have now
a problem with how this I guess hook up went down.
Like they both seem to be consenting to it. They
both seem to be processing it fairly well. Like now
that what Blake and I think this is where after

(11:45):
reading through emails where people are upset, is Kalen's entering
into this relationship with Blake not knowing that Christina was
I think the night before, the night after. I don't
know the scenario here, like the following day at some level,
and that's what people are mostly disgusted by is that
it happened back to back and that neither Klin or
Christina knew this going into that evening with with Blake.

(12:09):
Is that? Am I right? I mean that's really I
don't know the outside of everything else that hearsay of,
like hey, you know this is how this is how
he told me to be quiet or anything. It's like, hey,
you slept with somebody else like right after me. Right.
I don't think it's the classiest move by any stretch.
But also it's not like he was obligated to one
person or the other, right, he was a single guy,

(12:30):
Like you have to kind in a way you can
give him a pass on that because he's just a
single guy going about it. It turns out that it
sounds like he just didn't tell the girls about it
until like just before going into paradise, which sounds like
a calculated move in my opinion. And the sharing of
those messages, specifically the sharing of messages from a girl

(12:51):
who you were romantically involved with when she was drunk
and horny and then you go ahead and blast those
text messages on your social is a very obvious form
of slut shaming in a sense, and that's really what's frustrating.
It's like, now Kaylin's parents and her sisters and her
friends are gonna have to see these messages. And again
it's no, it's non consensual from her part. Like I'm

(13:15):
sure that they talked, but like Blake just did it
because he wanted to do it. He wanted to clear
the air for his name, which I get, but there
is just better ways to do it than by publicizing
private text There's a million ways that Blake could have
gone about sharing his side of the story, and the
worst way of those million is by sharing the text messages,
in my opinion, Go to a news outlet, go on

(13:36):
a podcast, do an interview, like go on this corner
of the street and just start shouting at the top
of your lungs. Don't be sharing private text messages just
to to suade your own guilt and your own ego
and make people that you'll never meet in your life
like you more. You know what I mean. Like, the
only reason he's doing that is because he wants strangers
to like him more. And he and Yeah, I feel

(13:58):
very strongly about this because it really frustrates me. He
is used to being the most the beloved one from
Becca season. He has all this great experience and all
this great exposure from that, and now he's on this
show after having slept with two girls pre show and
going on dates with three plus girls pre show. He
comes into it thinking everything's gonna go his way. Again,
it doesn't go his way, and now he's on ice

(14:19):
skates go going downhill backwards because he doesn't know what
to do, and so his first instinct is to blast
out all of these private text messages. And that's my
big issue with it is there's a million ways to
have handled this, and he chose the very worst one
in my opinion. You make an interesting correlation between sharing
text messages is similar to sharing nudes. Why do you

(14:40):
say that because you never enter into a text conversation
with anyone ever expecting them to screenshot and advertise them,
the same way you would never send nudes to us.
I mean, I personally don't send or received dudes, but
I would never expect anyone to blast those out anywhere,
you know what I mean. It's a private conversation. And now,
like if you're a girl and you want to date

(15:00):
or say you're dating blake you kind of in the
back of your head. I have to be thinking about
well ship. This guy's blasted this girl's text messages on
his social media before he might do that same thing
to me. And that's funny is I talked to him
before he did this, before he posted the text. I
reached out to him and I said, hey, I hear
you're thinking about doing this. I really urge you to
reconsider for your own sake, Like, it just is not
a good look. We understand, like you're you're peeved by

(15:22):
the whole situation. It didn't necessarily go how you wanted
it to go. You're catching a lot of heat from it.
But this is just not the right move. And he goes, no,
I just like I need to get it out there.
I need to get it out there, Like I don't
know what else to do. And yeah, it's just that
I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me at all.
We talked about a lot in the podcast with my
biggest issue, like my personal like one of my biggest

(15:42):
issues is that I don't react well to anything, Like
my first reaction is typically not the right one, especially
when I'm like angry or upset and it feels like
this was a reactionary move that wasn't fully thought here.
But no, let me argue that. Let me argue that
for a second, because it sounds like quite the contrary.
If you look at the comments of the post, you'll
see Kevin Wentz posted something saying, Hey, man, I know

(16:04):
you were talking about this last week, and maybe I
don't agree with it, but I'm glad you're speaking your truth.
So that means that for at least a week he's
been considering doing this and interesting and it's so so
obviously it's it's a knee jerk reaction that he's kind
of had for an extended period of time, like he,
in my opinion, is that desperate to make sure people

(16:25):
don't hate him. M hmm. Yeah. It sounds like he
felt like he's been pushed into a corner, you know,
for a week now or however long he's been processing
this found you know, these text messages held onto him,
cheered it with a few friends, and his has just
held him or Dean, there's a couple of ways I
want to go here. Um, why do you think the

(16:47):
Kevin's of the world and the rest of these friends
of Blake feel like it's okay now to comment on
this picture. Aren't they friends of Like? This is a
part I don't understand. If you know my friends and Dean,
I I consider you a real friend me like a
real friend. Um, if you did something stupid in your life,
I would never think you would ever do often? Yeah, never,

(17:10):
never you do. I would never comment on your public
photo to let you know how I feel about it
like that. This is another side of this whole thing
that I'm not quite understanding, is are we in a
world right now, especially within the franchise, where everything has
to be done publicly? You know, there's there's a thousand

(17:31):
ways ago about it. But as a friend of yours needs,
I would never comment and say I told you not
to do this. That to me would be the anti
friend move, like, don't now make me look even stupider.
It's pretty ridiculous. I guess I don't see the Like,
what's the end game of doing something like that? Is
what you're saying, right, It's like, what do you like?
What does that goes? What do you do with that? Right?
What do you plan to get out of that? I mean,

(17:51):
I don't have an answer for you. I would do
the same thing. I know you'd never do anything stupid,
so I guess I don't have to worry about that
with you. But alright, neither of us. I know that.
I know that I can expect when I do something
dumb and I advertise it or or I apologize for it,
I know I can always expect a private message from you,
as it should be, because if it's a real friend,
what they're trying to do is console you. They're not
trying to drive more I guess traffic to their own name,

(18:13):
or get more likes or whatever it is for being
that public persona on that one issue. I guess if
that makes sense. We had a listener right in and
a couple of people from back to the Nation actually
comment on this photo. H Kevin was not the only one. Again,
it's an anomaly. I don't quite understand. And you know,
if most of us have each other's numbers, if you

(18:35):
have an issue, and I know we're using Kevin jam
he was just the first person that was brought up here.
I think there's multiple people here. They're gonna find out
the comment. I don't get it. I don't understand it.
I don't know the end game to commenting on somebody
that you know is already in the public slight like
this whole thing from the very beginning seems to be
done in the worst of ways. And uh, because a
listener wrote in and wanted us to share these, we

(18:57):
have one of our producers in studio to read off
some of the com mints on Blake's picture. I think
it's Danielle. Danielle, you're there to read these. I'm passing
it off to Tori. Alright, So Caitlin Bristow actually said
thank you for being vulnerable and honest. Then Adam, who
just got engaged to Raven, said thank you for always

(19:19):
being open about this. Always two sides to every story,
and I know firsthand about how editing and portraying can
make things look. But the Kevin comment was actually, I
know I told you last week posting these might not
be the best idea, but as a friend, I want
you to be happy and I know your anxiety was
about to be erupt But the most shocking one was Christina,

(19:40):
who he's in a little bit of a love triangle with,
said speak your truth. No one can take that away
from you, which is interesting coming after the episode from
last night, and she rained him, how do you feel
about that? I'm trying to read it. My my initial
re action is to read it and see who's taking
whose side, And it doesn't really feel like anybody's taking
anyone's side. Maybe Christine is taking Blake's side. Um, I guess.

(20:03):
To finish, I still think it's it's just it's odd. Um,
maybe it's not. Maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm old enough
now Dean, where I don't get the social media world
that well, but you're the same You're the same age
as Blake. Well that's a good point. And I just
he looks a lot bit than I do. I guess, um,

(20:25):
But I don't understand how these conversations are now public.
My mom and I talked about this when I was
home and it was kind of going back, and I
do want to correlate this at some point, Dean. Um,
So I want to move into this in a second
with with the Hannab situation and uh, the luke p
kind of conversation during her season where she admitted that
she had had sex with somebody in a woodmill and

(20:46):
America kind of backed her. I do want to try
to see where we go with that. In a second.
But my mom and I were talking about this and
we couldn't quite process on today's world, no matter what
you believe or you feel is your moral right or
or whatever, why does it become a social media conversation.
Isn't this one to have in front of people, as

(21:06):
to humans to say this is how I feel, this
I think, and and this is why I do what
I do. It just feels odd to me that these
comments are coming on a picture that they know is
so sensitive in support or not support. Well, my thing
with the with the picture specifically the picture was fine.
The static post in his feed I thought was was
decently written. The issue that I really have is the

(21:27):
sharing of the text messages on the story, so I
can see I can see the bristows reaching out and saying, hey,
I support your vulnerability or I'm glad you said this,
because the message that he relayed there was a message
of regret, apology and potential growth. But it wasn't until
he shared the text messages that really just kind of

(21:49):
took me into overdrive personally and and really pissed me
off because there's just no place for that. Um yeah, yeah,
that's one place I missed. I guess you're right because
on the static post it was an apology kind of
admitting fall but also saying, hey, there's two sides every story.
I'm not the only one involved in this. I don't
think I'm as guilty as what it's being portrayed as,

(22:10):
but I'm sorry because what I did was not right.
And then so the comments are probably based on that post.
And then the pictures on the text meta or the
text message on the story isn't getting the comments that
we're being able to see well, And then that makes sense.
I didn't think of that. He posted stories, and then
a couple of hours later he takes the stories down
and said, oh my gosh, I didn't want anyone to
attack Kalin because of these stories. I'm deleting them now.

(22:31):
And that was just like a big slap in the face, Like, what,
you didn't want anyone to attack Kalin and so you
shared private text messages basically encouraging people to go and
attack Kalin. And now you're a quote unquote taking the
high road, and yeah, I don't know, I get it.
So okay, let's talk through now, um, how this is

(22:53):
all looked from every side possible I want to go
to a couple reader email or listener emails here, I
see I've been saying reader emails recently. Hey, before we
jump into that, Ben A good question that both Tory
and Danielle brought up is you see, obviously Christina on
this on the show is well kind of like lay
Blake down and kind of lay into him a little

(23:15):
bit as well. But why is Blake not defending himself
in that sense? Why is Blake not sharing text messages
between him Christina? Why is it just Kalin and Blake?
And now you see Christina commenting on Blake's picture as well,
supporting him speaking his truth. Well, I don't know. I mean,
I obviously don't know the answer is any of this.
My assumption would be I do feel like Kalin's um

(23:37):
accusations of Blake are a little bit heavier than Christina's.
I think for me, the sleeping around thing people can
get over. I think it's the silencing part that when
I watched it I had a problem with. When it
came to Blake personally, I was like, how would you
ever call anybody that you've had an intimate relationship with
and call him and say you need to stay quiet

(23:59):
because this has to go well for me. That's where
I had a problem, Like as as a any man
or woman that feels like that's their right to tell
anybody to be quiet based on an action that you
both participate in. Is this is not a good thing.
And so that's why I thought, hey, like, hair accusations
are pretty serious. That's manipulation. It's it's odd because even

(24:22):
we we actually I talked about how when we were
in Paradise for the wedding, it was still it was
still something that like felt like it was heavy over
the crowd. I mean, I do feel like this is
a heavy talk topic. Dean, Like, I don't think this
is like it's weird to me. For the last party
three seasons of the show, both Bachelor, Bachelorette and now Paradise,
there's been topics that's kind of transcended this, Like Bachelor World.

(24:44):
I feel like ri E season had a few things
that were like that we're worthy to talk about. The
breakup definitely was one of those that felt, hey, this
is crazy, this is wild, but it wasn't like heavy.
This stuff feels heavy to me. I don't know why.
Maybe I'm just super sensitive to right now. Um, And
I've been out of it for long enough where I'm
a little bit disconnected, but it feels heavy. I want

(25:07):
to ask, and I think talking to you is help
me process it. Originally I didn't understand why Blake was
getting so shamed for sleeping with two people. Again, personally, Uh,
you know, morally, whatever you want to feel, that's up
to you. I think there's a right and wrong in
my life. I think there's a right and wrong when
it comes to the values and morals that I think

(25:28):
are best for us as humans. But again, Dean, you
might disagree with me, and with that, I can't change
what you think, and there's no really point to me
to try to do that outside of just saying, hey,
let's have a conversation. And so I was confused on
what was different with Hannah Be and Blake. Hannah Be
admitted to sleeping with somebody, um, and then you know,

(25:49):
I was willing to become engaged to somebody else. Um.
She stood up for herself and said, hey, it's my body,
it's my right. I owe you nothing. Uh. And then Blake,
I don't know what it looks like if he stood
on the beach and he goes, it's my body, it's
my right, I owe you nothing. I don't know how
people respond to that, but I was like, I feel
like there's parallels probably when it comes to sleeping with

(26:09):
multiple people. Again, my issue though, was the silencing talk.
The silencing talk was it got me. I don't I
don't understand where it was coming from. So basically text
messages that we read, it looks like Blake didn't ask
to silence Kalin and you were just explaining that she
felt like like a dirty secret. But basically text messes
looked like there was an agreed upon, Hey, let's not

(26:31):
talk about it until it's brought up, and what we
saw on the show looks like Kalin was the one
that brought it up right away. Is there anything more
to that that you can help me process because I'm
having a hard time understanding still where this silencing idea
came from. I think that, like kind of what I
mentioned at the top of the episode is we're seeing

(26:52):
the text messages that Blake wants to choose for us
to see. We're seeing the hand picked messages to paint
the picture that he wants to paint for us. We
also don't see the phone calls. We don't see of
their conversations, right, and so we can't sit here and
objectively say Blake said this or Blake didn't say this.
You kind of have to take Helin for her word,
which at this point it's difficult to do because we've

(27:14):
seen her kind of go back on her word a
little bit. Obviously if he if he did end up
saying that, that's obviously a very very horrible thing to
say someone, especially especially coming into a situation like this.
It's just like, it's kind of I don't know, if
there's so many things moving, there's so many moving parts
of this situation. It's absolutely it's it's really hard to

(27:35):
kind of like process all of it. I have one
final question for you, Dean, but before we do that,
I want to take a second and talk about some
of our sponsors. Dean. We're coming back on the episode.
We're talking about Blake here. We're just getting ready to

(27:55):
kind of finish out. Um this i'd say mess, mess
of a situation. Uh, it feels heavy. It's definitely you know,
polarizing paradise one of the other the other things that
we continue to get this week. Uh, and that we
talked about on the podcast of the first episode is
why do people choose to have conflict on the show? Um,

(28:18):
it feels pretty easy to just handle this stuff off
of the show. You have the numbers, you have the phones,
you have texting. But you mean Christina is an example here.
She comes onto Paradise and it's pretty clear that she
comes onto Paradise to confront Blake. Um, there was three
days in a Paradise at this point. I mean, I'm
assuming she probably was talking to him a week before that,

(28:39):
or could have what is the reasoning to conflict and
confrontation on national television instead of offline? I guess you
just get more eyeballs on you, like, why, why? Why
is that something we want? Dean? I think Christina? I mean,
I'm not gonna you can't speak for Christine. Obviously, Christina
had a rough go around the first Bachelor in Paradise.
She was on because of me, right, so now maybe

(29:01):
she feels vindicated to come in this time around and
be like, look, I'm going to be the stern ass
and put men in their place. And so she just
kind of came in with his mentality where she's gonna
kind of take that approach. That's kind of the way
that I viewed it. It was so confusing to me
that a Christina comes in asks Blake on a date,
of all people, Blake says yes to the date. Christina

(29:23):
then just kind of like lays into Blake the whole time,
and Blake just can't really seem to muster up any words.
Like it was just a whole weird sequence of events
that didn't really make much sense to me. I agree
with you. Why did Christina and Blake not have this
conversation weeks prior to coming into Paradise? What's the benefit
of having it on the show? Do either of them
stand to benefit anything from it? Like? Not really if Christine.

(29:46):
If Christine is going on the show to find a partner,
as you know you you're supposed to be doing on
that show, then why is she asking someone that she's
already pursued and failed a relationship with. It's it's it's
something I don't understand, Dean and and so bring up this.
You said it a couple of times. Blake just seems
like he has a lack of words right here. Why
do you think he is shocked every time a girl
says I liked you like we've seen this now twice

(30:08):
Christina and Klein have both said this. I don't think
we've seen Hannah g say it or Tastious say it.
But why when it said? Is it like completely caught
off guard? That's hard, hard question to answer. I don't
know if we have an answer. I mean, you don't
have to have an answer. I just it's like something
that when I noticed. One thing that makes me I

(30:30):
think Blake isn't quite as absolved in all of this
is his reactions to when Klin shows up, to when
Christina shows up to his interviews where he's by himself
and he's saying, oh, man, I gotta get out of Paradise.
I shouldn't be in paradise. That's not the things that
an innocent person says, or that's not under the way
an innocent person reacts to someone coming into paradise, especially

(30:52):
someone that you know is coming into paradise. It it's
just there's so many mystery boxes in this whole situation,
like why are you reacting this way? Why are you
saying these things? And then now why are you saying
that you're innocent in all of this when from what
we're seeing on the show, which is really what we
have to base most of the most of it off
of it doesn't really appear that way at all. And again,

(31:17):
I think it just boils back to him wanting everyone
to love him as much as everyone did coming off
Becka season. Now he's getting a little bit more hate
and he doesn't necessarily know how to handle it. And
I even, yeah, I don't know. I tried to. I
tried to prepare him for that, right because I went
through my own hate a Bachelor Paradise season four, and

(31:37):
it just it's fallen on deaf ears. So we we're
talking here about reactions, and we were saying, Hey, why
is Blake reacting like he didn't know that these girls
liked him? And we don't know if we can even
answer that. I don't I don't know if we know
enough about it. But one of our listener email says this,
how is Klin supposed to talk to Blake first before
anyone else the list The email continues and it's as

(32:00):
he literally ran from her and hid when she came
to the steps. That spoke volumes. Now, I think a
little bit of this when it comes to reaction, a
lot of the show is something that we um that
that is real, that stuff that happens, and some of
the reactions, I would say, our stuff that I don't
always read too much into because it's it's clippets, it's

(32:22):
it's it's bites. And you know, if a girl walks
in the stairs, they can get Blake. You know, watching
somebody throw a football seventy miles with his mouth wide open,
and that's the face they used to win. They're walking
in the stairs. Is this one of those like do
you think he ran from her and hid or do
you think he just didn't want to talk. It's certainly possible.
We've seen it before. I'm sure we see it more

(32:44):
frequently than we even realize. Knowing that the blueprints and
the layout of the beach, the places that he was
running to are not places you would go to for
either an interview, to grab a snack, to grab a drink.
Those are places that you're going to to remove yourself
from the situation is and solely to be out of
the situation, you know what I mean. Well, it brings

(33:05):
up the question should Blake just remove himself completely at
this point? Should he leave Paradise? I mean we know
what he does, but should he? I mean, you've been
down there, you know the pressures, You've been in a
spot yourself that feels helpless and out of control. Is
there ever thought that says, I just gotta get out
of here? Well, you see Blake saying that in his interviews.

(33:25):
He's like, man, I just gotta get out of here.
Is there an option just to get out of there?
I think you always have kind of have the option.
I will say, I try to get out of there
halfway through season four and they never let I was like,
I'm gonna get out of here, and they're like, all right, cool,
sit here. In like six hours later, I was still
sitting there. I was like, all right, could I guess
I'll just stay sorry, languish. So I think, like you,
you theoretically have the choice to leave if you really
wanted to. But I don't think that necessarily that you know,

(33:49):
it might have looked worse for him to leave, really,
but that but that goes back to my original point
is you wouldn't an innocent person with nothing to hide
wouldn't be saying things like I gotta get out of here.
This place isn't for me. I'm in over my head,
like if you I don't know, what do you think?

(34:10):
I don't know. I've never been to Paradise. I mean,
I know the Batchel would be really hard to leave.
I mean we've seen one try and it didn't go
very well. Um, I mean the Badger at I don't
think I could have ever left. I don't know where
I would have gone half the time, here in some
weird location that you know, you know nobody and you're
locked away. I don't know what Paradise is like. Some
people leave Paradise midway through a couple of times. I

(34:32):
think Christina did it my season. I think at least
every season you have at least like one or two
people that bows out of like a rose ceremony or something. Yeah,
you kind of have to wait for the right time.
At this point, as I'm watching the show, it's weak two.
This is obviously not going well at all at this point.
For Blake, I mean, I bet he feels like he's
been hit by a semi truck. He went down there
thinking this was gonna be awesome, it was gonna be fun.

(34:53):
He was going to have a girl or two that
he was gonna be interested in. Everybody's gonna get along. Um,
he's gonna be the king of the beach. And three
days in he's like, oh boy, why do you think
he's on that first date? I have no clue that's one.
That's so this is the question I have for you.
So we see at the end of the episode that
Hannah Gee kisses Blake after. This is hard for me

(35:15):
to watch, not for the Blake reason. Really, I just
really like Hannah Gi and Dylan, and I think Dylan
seems like a nice guy. But she kisses him after
she was excited about Blake potentially taking her on the
first day and said he takes Tasha. What is there
more that he wants to find out about Tasha? Is
Tasha the kind of the mystery woman to him that
he hasn't got to spend a ton of time with. Um,

(35:37):
there's obviously, I think a background with him and Tasha
outside of the outside of Paradise. I don't know, right,
I don't know what. I don't know if that's been
discussed yet. But there's also background with him in Hannah
on the show. So there's a background with Christina Kaylin,
Hannah and Tasha. And he decides to take Tastia on
the day. Do we know? Why? Do we have any

(35:58):
insight why? I don't know the way I at least
perceived it. I don't know if this is confirmed or not.
Was he knew he liked Hannah, He thought that he
could have liked Tasha, and so he took Tasha on
a day to see if there was something there. It
was a It was a dumb move in my opinion.
If you know you're there for Hannah, then you should
probably be taking hand on a date. He just he

(36:20):
was just shooting himself in the foot left and right.
I don't know. It really is a very confusing situation.
I would assume like I don't know, I really have
no idea. Huh. I'm honestly, I'm surprised how this is
playing out there. There just seems to be a lot
of things right now, UM that I feel like they're

(36:43):
going against Blake, and I think some of it almost
feels like a lot of them are are done by
him just making some really weird decisions. Now to move
on past these text messages, well, how do you feel
about the text messages? Um? What I feel like is
this is he feels pushed into a corner. Anytime any

(37:06):
person feels pushed into a corner, I think we feel
like we have to defend and react, especially when we
feel like we're in the right. I think Blake looked
at these text messages, didn't realize exactly the weight of them,
and said, this is my proof that I'm not all
wrong here. And I look at these text messages. I
read them, and if I read the text message, I go, yeah,

(37:27):
you're not all wrong. Like they they point to you
advising and consulting and talking about and having a conversation
that releases you from the idea that you silenced Kalin.
But I also agree with you in the sense of
their text messages and they're private. But I think it
was the only thing he felt like he had to

(37:47):
defend himself. If not, he was just gonna eat turds
for as long as this plays out for and you
know it doesn't last forever. But and I think there's
a little bit of like he said in his message,
the name is the only thing he has. I think
right now he feels like there's no recovering from what's happening.
I think there was another I think there was a
way for nobody necessarily to win if we're looking at

(38:09):
winning here in this, but to get both stories out.
And I think you're right. I think an interview, a
podcast something is a better way to do it. You
you get to talk it through. UM. But I do
think that they I think the sex uh texts are
are very personal and I think they're they're tough for

(38:32):
me to swallow UM because you just it's just it's
hard to think that those could be released publicly. But
at the same time, I think Blake just felt pushed
into a corner and he reacted. Now I don't know
necessarily what the like consensus, you know, response has been.

(38:54):
I don't know if people are in favor of this
on their Hints team or Kalen's team. Imagine it's pretty
mixed reviews. I'm not great in these scenarios because again,
I just think a phone call would have been better.
Like I just think of a conversation UM way before
the show even happens, would have been better. A joint statement,
maybe a joint statement something, something that clears the air

(39:17):
for both. It's weird, you know what I go to
It's like, what does the future look like now? Like
you're thirty years old, and now people are gonna know you.
This is the hard part of the show is they're
gonna know you as the guy that slipt around and

(39:40):
they're gonna know the confrontation as a confrontation that's memorable
on Paradise. And do you don't want to ask you?
I mean you've been in it, and so again to
clear that up, I guess my answers. I don't know
how I feel. Quite honestly, I don't know what would
have been best here. I don't know any more of
the story than what I read and all on Instagram

(40:01):
last night. So you in season four had your own controversy.
It affected your life, It affected you personally. I'm sure
it felt heavy and it felt like you were in
your own corner during that time. Remove yourself from any
biased in this scenario. What advice would you give somebody
to move through and on from this and not letting

(40:23):
it affect their life? And then does it or does
it affect your life and change everything completely? Well, I
told you, I think I mentioned that earlier, was before
Paradise began airing. I had a conversation with Blake about
what he could expect because the situations are different, but
there the responses are going to be similar, you know
what I mean. And I told him it's going to

(40:44):
get a lot worse before it gets a lot better.
And I told him that people have a very short
memory span, especially when it comes to this, especially on
a week by week basis as the season is airing. Um. Yeah,
I still have a lot occasionally have someone like mentioned
something about my experience on Paradise the first time around,
but it's it's basically non existent. Um. I think back

(41:07):
to my relationships coming out of Bachelor Paradise, Bachelor Winster Games,
going through those breakups, and I'm like, I and this
is this is maybe just the biggest is connect that
I have is I would never imagine sharing personal text
messages to vindicate myself during those breakups. I've had my
fair share of of excess saying things that I didn't

(41:29):
like hearing and going through situations where people were saying
the wrong things about me to me that my nextes
have said. It never even crossed my mind to screenshot
messages and share them with the world to prove my
innocence in that sentence. And so now to see someone
going to that length, it just is it's like disturbing.

(41:50):
I don't think that he really did anything that wrong
up until that moment um. But like I said, I
gave him some advice. I tried my best, I said,
I mean, I could go back through our text messages
and kind of remember, but I told him to get
a lot worse. Yeah, I won't um And I told
him that he just needs to wait it out, man,

(42:12):
Like even a month after Paradise is airing, and even
even just before he posted these text messages the other day,
I said, man, just give it one week, wait for
the next week's two episodes to air, and I almost
guarantee you no one will be talking about this still.
And he goes, no, it's it's gotta go now. It's
now or never. I gotta do it. Man, you don't
have to do anything. You you have the ability to wait.

(42:34):
That's the one thing that's working in your favorite now
is you have time. The only thing that's pressing you
for time is your own like anxiety kind of weighing
in on you, and you're thinking that you have a
deadline to get this out, to share your truth. Wait
a week, see how it how it rolls over into
the next week, see if it dissipates at all. And uh,
it's it's kind of funny looking back now at the
advice that I was trying to give him both in

(42:56):
releasing these text messages in the week prior before the
season even aired, because everything I said was just discounted,
not listen to. I don't know, it's it's it's kind
of hard to see. But I even have, like I
have other friends within the franchise that I know we're
talking to him about the messages and all that kind

(43:18):
of stuff and telling him not to do it. Everyone
that I've talked to about this that's spoken with him
as said, they've told him not to do it, and
yet he still goes and does it. So it's like
when you have your friends are telling you you shouldn't
do something, and you go and do it. Anyways, Like
where do you see the I don't know the right
in that. I remember the feeling when Lauren I broke

(43:39):
up and it went public, like the weight of it
and like how you felt like the world was against
you or for you, Like he felt like there was
just so much heavy like attention on your relationship and
you wanted to get a statement out there and you
wanted to share both sides of the story, and people
then started to assume things, and you know, pictures come
out and you're there, they're saying things and you I

(44:02):
think the one advice I would give was, you just
almost have to eat turds until it's done, Like you
just have to sit in it, sit through it, let
it settle, and then wisdom comes. Right in peace, wisdom comes,
and so once it's peaceful and it's settled and everything
has been played out, then you can respond. And I

(44:24):
think that's the one advice I would give now. Granted,
I don't know if I knew that advice back then,
because all I ever wanted to do was like screamed
from the rooftops, this is what happened. But my friends
and my family consistent, consistently remember this, told me, don't
do it, don't do it, stop, don't say a word.
And I didn't, and I never did, and I'm glad
I didn't. Now this isn't because I did anything right.

(44:46):
It was because the friends around me who cared for me,
who legitimately I think cared for me, said then, I know,
this feels like it's gonna feel better. And I know
this feels like how it's all going to be solved
and how everybody's now going to be quiet, But trust me,
it's not. Well that's a difference, but we did that's
the difference between and Blake. It sounds like that as

(45:07):
you listen to the people that cared about, here's you advice,
and on the flip side, he got advice from people
he cares about and vice versa, and still went against
that advice. Hey, I did something right, Dean. We talked
about earlier. That's that's cool. I did thanks man. Hey, Um,
we have to move on here because we do have
a special caller who loves hot sauce um to like

(45:30):
an oddly gross amount. And then we also have to
break down the episode real quick. Most of this episode
revolved kind of around Blake and kaalen Um and then
blake story with Christina. Uh. We do see some relationships forming,
We see some love in the air. Uh. Hannah Gee
and Dylan are definitely the ones that the America seems
to be rooting for right now. We also see analyze

(45:52):
stick up for Angela we talked about a little bit
last week. Um, but it kind of finishes this week, Dean,
why is that happening? Like, why does somebody on the
outside come in and feel like that is their place again?
Why can't you have these conversations offline? You're saying with
Analyies and Clay. Yeah, maybe they just don't have really

(46:13):
the opportunity to talk about it. I would assume that
Clay and Analyst aren't talking every day, are very often,
you know, So I don't even think I'm sure that,
I'm sure that antliest probably didn't expect to see Clay
in Paradise and vice versa. I do know that the
guys are giving out the roses this week, so I
can maxcuse can't spoil anything. But um, that's that's a
tricky situation because what really bothered me about the Analyst

(46:34):
Clay situation is it's not up to Analyze to decide
when Clay is ready to move on. Clay Anilies was saying,
you broke up with Angela three months ago, you're not
ready to be here. It's not really her place to
say when Clay isn't isn't ready to move on? And
it sounds like maybe that Paradise was a good opportunity
to help it move on. Yeah, that's kind of what

(46:56):
I thought. I mean, there's there's obviously backstory still there
that we don't see. But Demmi uh is the first
to call analytes out in typical Demmi ways. She just
goes at it and she just says what she thinks.
I love that. She goes, uh, So, why did you
say that to Clay? And Anis goes, I didn't want to,
but I had to. And Dammy follows it up by saying,

(47:17):
well why, She's like, I feel like I didn't drop it.
She Normally people would be like, okay, but she's stuck
with it. It makes sense. It's like, if you didn't
want to do it, why did you do it? Yeah?
Like there isn't anything more there. Maybe the biggest story
Dean from Paradise and Twitter was blown up about it.
I think it might be the outside of a few
of the stories we've already talked about, one of the

(47:39):
big big things we gotta talk about. Why does Bibiona
continue not to find somebody on Paradise. It's a great question.
How does that happen? She's beautiful, she's great, she's a
terrific human. She's beautiful, she's sweet, she's cool. We talked
about it. I mean, like, what is going on here? Uh,
that's a question I don't think I can really answer.
I mean, I don't really know her that well. Obviously

(48:01):
she's very physically attractive. Maybe she just doesn't vibele with
the people down there. Maybe she doesn't put forth quite
the effort um. It's not her it's not her arena
to operate in. It's tricky to say. I guess I
don't really know what her type is. I don't know.
Maybe that maybe the type that you see on Bachelor
in Paradise isn't necessarily who she would go for but
back in Florida, and so she doesn't really feel that

(48:22):
need or urged to commit to like pursuing a relationship
with anyone down there. Maybe she just likes going for
a couple of days and she you know, because she
was on Bachelor Winter Games with us. Actually now that
now that I think of it, Yeah she was. She
was great. Yeah, she's fantastic, she was wonderful. We love Bibiana. Uh,
speaking of relationships and speaking of an Ealese. Maybe one

(48:43):
of the most awkward moments I've ever seen in Bachelor Paradise,
And maybe it was just me. The kiss between Chris
Bukowski and Annaliese felt really awkward. Did you notice this?
I totally forgot they kiss, But yeah, now that they
think of it, you're right. They just look like neither
of them really wanted to do it, but it felt
like eight Tonight's roast ceremony, like I've got one shot
at this, Like, let's make this thing happen. And at

(49:05):
least did that with uh Chris Bukowski. I think Kalin
did that with Cam. I think that AKA did it
with John Paul Jones. You see a lot of those
like desperation kisses. Oh wow, you're right, I forgot the
Kalin and Cam deal. I think that deserves a little
bit more attention, a little bit more scrutiny. What do
you think about that, Dean? I think it's hilarious. I

(49:27):
mean it's like, you know, you're you're you're like kiss
him where you go home in that sense, I think,
and all three of those senses. So sometimes you just
gotta close your eyes and pucker up and and hope
for the best. Do you think Cam was just like
what do you think Cam was thinking? He probably was
on cloud nine. He's over the Moon ecstatics that dude literally,

(49:47):
I mean I bet he literally like was walking on
water that night. Oh absolutely, I'm excited to see their
love story unfold. To be perfectly honest, where do we
go from here? Do you think I think this guy
is the limit for them too. They seem like they
could be the next power couple coming out of Bachelor
in Paradise. Do you think it even lasts five minutes
into the next episode. I hope it does because it's

(50:09):
gonna be good for the viewers, And honestly, like that
type of funny relationship dynamic is gonna be a lot
better to watch than Blake crying and Christine and Klin
crying and everyone else like yelling at each other. I
would much rather see that than just about anything else
we've seen this far. That that does deserve more attention.
I don't think's getting enough attention. Like, how does that happen? Yeah,

(50:30):
it's It almost reminds me of the sand Lot where uh,
the kid goes in the pool and the lifeguard starts
giving him, you know, mouth to mouth, and then all
of a sudden they're kissing, and he's like on cloud nine.
It's his dream come true. It almost reminds me of
that scene. That's pretty funny. It's different circumstances, but very similar,
very similar in a lot of ways. Uh. Finally, the

(50:51):
story that we have talked about before we bring on
a really special guest is uh, you know, actually, let's
bring her on to talk to her about this. We
have Jane from Bachelor Paradise. Jane is best known for
her hot sauce um and pouring the hot sauce down
her throat. I want to talk to Jane about what
she did to j p J. I was like literally

(51:11):
on the floor laughing at this scene. It was one
of the funniest things I've ever seen, just because of
how bad she felt and how sick j p J was.
But before we bring Jane on, let's take a little
break to talk about sponsors. We have Jane out there

(51:36):
on the line to talk about j p J. Jane.
Welcome to the Almost fame As podcast. Glad that you
here today. I Jane Dean is the co host today.
If you're wondering why Ashley's voice just sounds a little
bit different, Uh, Jane, you had one of the most

(51:56):
memorable scenes from this last episode. It might be of
the funniest scenes I've ever seen on Paradise. You decided
to swoop in on JPJ? Can you lead up to
when your your love and your eyes started to go
towards JPJ uh during your time on Paradise? Um? Sure,
I mean, you know, let's not go as far as

(52:19):
saying love, but um yeah. I think it took me
like times to kind of get out of my style
on Paradise, just because I wasn't super familiar or for
clothes with any of the girls for the guys. So
the only person that I kind of felt like comfortable with,

(52:40):
like talking to was jp J because he so easy going,
mainly because every other word is yeah, yeah and cool
and you know, so she's just so easy to sauce to.
So I was like, you know, I definitely gravitated towards
him because he just made me feel the most comfortable. Um.

(53:02):
And that's how I kind of, you know, pulled into him.
How did you what when did you find out that
he was allergic to tacos? Oh my gosh, okay, he's
not allergic to tacos. I don't want to be responsible
for like killing anyone like that was traumatizing. Um. I
think the problem is that it's really hot in Paradise

(53:26):
and I really sicy. So when I hand you with
taco and Paradise, if you can't take the heat, I mean,
I guess like that's what it leads to. Do you
want to really really ficy tacos. I'm not gonna lie,
like I am the sic queen, and like even for me,
dot taco was like super super super fiery hot. But

(53:49):
like obviously, you know, being who I am, I was like, well,
I can do it. And then I look over and
JP is like where did this? Where did this affinity
for hot sauce come from? When was this born? Um?
I mean I just feel like you're born with it,
Like you're either born with that spice or you're not.
Like you can't just like develop it, like you just

(54:11):
gotta love it. So I started like eating like spicy
candy when I was like, or it's just candy called lucas.
It's like Mexican candy and it's super super spicy, So
that you know that's where it came from. What are
your thoughts on hot cheetos? Oh my god, I living

(54:31):
breathe hot cheetos. I don't know what am talking about
just like the regular hot Cheetos, I'm talking about like
the black that's like the extra extra extra I love them.
I like, seriously have it for breakfast. You're extra extra
hot spicy cheeto yourself. Jane, thank you very much, A
complimented Jane. Where did you want to see the spice

(54:53):
with JPJ? Actually go? Um, I feel like either so
little time in Paradise, everything is super rout. So I
was just hoping, like because he was the one that
I felt the most like open and comfortable with, Like
I wanted to explore where that could go, and I

(55:14):
wanted to see, um, you know, just like what could
possibly develop because we have a pretty good set like friendships,
and I was hoping like maybe something more would come
out of it. I just didn't think what would be
coming out was the taco from his like stomach. But
that's a good way to be remembered. But there's really

(55:36):
no scene in Bachelor and Paradise, Sister that I have
last at this hard because it might be a little
evil of me. And I'm starting to believe now with
the spiders in my garage, that I have a little
bit of evil inside of me. Um, because you feel
so bad, like you're crushed, Like it almost looks like
you're in tears because the guy that you're trying to

(55:56):
go to date with is puking on the beach because
of the talk go you gave him, so him tasting
the taco made him puke as a result, you're crying, going,
I didn't mean it to go like this, and I
am at home dying laughing, and I was literally like,
this isn't aspire m the plan, like you know, like

(56:16):
I did not think you was, you know, like she
just really couldn't have taken the heat. But you know what,
you know what I will say my soul mate when
I hand him a spicy taco, even if it's too
spicy for him, like my man will take it down. Okay.

(56:36):
So it just kind of showed me like, well, isn't
my soul mate because she's got to be able to
stand the heat. And by the heat, I mean the
taco and me. So you know, I love Davy Day.
I guess you'll always be a friend. But you know,
if you can't, you can't take the spice, and I
guess you can't keep me either. I hope one day, Jane,
you can find a man who enjoys the taco and

(56:59):
your spice, me too. I hope, I don't hope I
never have to like like cause anyone any food poisoning.
I really did feel so bad though, like I don't.
I don't know how much like the audience sees that
I was hysterically crying. Did you never want to be
responsible for someone puking their brains out at the beat
And let's be really like the way Day Day did.

(57:19):
It was like so like he tried to feel like
really keep it some posts like cuke, I'm okay, cuke,
I love good, you don't even worry about it, and
I'm like, day Day, I'm calling the ambulance. It was
pretty commendable. He would puke and then walk back into
the crowding like right up, and he's like I'm okay,

(57:40):
I'm good. And then he's like ts all over it and
and I'm like, no, you're not, Like I'm gonna go
get you some water. I can't. It was so bad.
It was really kaumatizing, Like it was so traumatizing. Yeah,
I bet I'm just looking back on this right. And
then Yaka comes in and event she's are like, oh no,

(58:02):
what happened, and I'm like, oh crap, now I just
made like, you know, her potential christ puke and I
has to see him like that, and I'm just like,
you know, I hope jp J doesn't hate me. I
hope a Jago doesn't kill me, like you know what
I mean, Like I'd like to stay alive on this island. Yeah. Well, Jane,
you're commendable, uh for sharing what you hoped was a

(58:25):
beautiful dinner date with j P j um. I don't
even know how to say. Quite honestly, I'm having a
hard time summing this up because like all dirtiness aside.
All I want to say is like Jane's tacos made
j P j P. But that's so inappropriate. On how
to end this, I don't want to say right now,
Oh my god, you want to cry right now. I

(58:48):
know I really didn't feel so bad, but he totally
came up to me after and he was like, I
know it wasn't your fault, like you don't don't worry
about it. I'm like, I don't even talk to been nice,
you know, I mean to throw up. I lived with
kind so I couldn't even respond to him. And he
like tries to comfort me as he's standing there like

(59:08):
pay all, like sweaty, like tedtown Slider from everything just
too Yeah, that's that's the real that's the real spirit
of Paradise. In my opinion, that sequence of events is
better than anything we've seen up until this point this
season in Paradise. I appreciate that at least, you know,
I you know, I am, I left my mark. Oh

(59:32):
my card so bad. M Well, Jane, We wish you
the best. We hope love is out there for you. Uh, Jane.
Thank you for sharing your taco on Paradise and thank
you for continue to be an advocate um for hot
Sauce everywhere. Jane. We appreciate you. Thanks coming home as
soon as podcast. Thank you so much. You guys are awesome.

(59:55):
Keep de Spisy. That's wow. She loves it. She loves it.
She's good at it. Honestly, Dean, I don't know how
to like my middle school self came out there and
like there was no ability to talk about this scenario
without just like laughing, Like I just just but that's
too much. That's why we want to watch Paradise is

(01:00:15):
from things like that that make us laugh and that
we have to really like take too seriously, you know,
I agree. It felt fun to watch like that felt
like it felt like a real scenario, Like it felt
like something that would happen in real life. That's enjoyable
that us as viewers get to live vicariously through. It's vulnerable,
it's it's not threatening, and it's not the kind of
heavy stuff that we've seen so far in Paris. I

(01:00:38):
hope we get to it. This is the first we
should note, Dean. This is the first season that Alan
Gail hasn't been in charge of Paradise, and so the
field and the look might be different than past seasons.
And I think I'm interested to find out. Are they
going to go more on the dramatic side, Are they
gonna go more funny and like lighthearted? Where is this
season going to go? Because you were in Paradise. I

(01:01:01):
don't know if I can even have you answer, because
I think your your answer probably pretty accurate to the
season is going to go well from what we've seen
so far, I would say it's avery more on the
side of drama. Yeah, does it turn around? Is my question? Like,
does it reverse and start becoming more fun to watch?
I can't. I think even if I had the ability
like the open floor to answer that question, I don't
think i'd be able to interesting lack of knowledge, you know, yeah, hey, no,

(01:01:26):
go ahead, but Dean. To close out this podcast, we're
gonna talk a little bit about the couples pairing up
in Paradise. Uh no roads Tomay this week, but we
did see Analysa and Careers hitting it off. Um their
kids felt weird. We've said it. It's a little cringeworthy.
I don't know if that was just them not expecting
to kiss or it being forced. Chris and Christina are

(01:01:48):
talking Wills and Hannah g Um, but Hannah g does
tell him not to waste the rose on her, so
she is going to stay with Dylan. It looks like
and Blake is lighting handles as we see um, and
I think it's insinuating that Hannah g is going to
be the one to to enjoy those candles. The other

(01:02:11):
couples are Demian Derek. We've seen them kind of hit
it off, um, Cam and Kalin. That seems to be
a hot and steamy relationship that we'll see where that goes.
We're excited for that one. And Um, I don't know
who else. Who else is in Paradise hitting it off
right now? That's a good question. Who's uh Sidney hitting
off with? Who's Katie hitting it off with? Still pretty early,

(01:02:33):
It's still pretty early. I think there is a lot
more couples to come. Um listeners please. Emails have been
an Ashley uh i heeart media dot com and then
also tag us on Instagram almost from his podcast. Let
us know who you want to see couple up? Also,
any couples that you're just totally against right now? Do
you think it's absolutely crazy? Let's know that as well. Hey,

(01:02:54):
we're gonna take some listener emails. Dina is gonna stick
around for it. It's been a great podcast. But before
we do, let's take one last break to talk about
our sponsors. Listener emails one of our favorite times of
the almost Famous podcast. We've got a lot this week.

(01:03:15):
As you can imagine, opinions are fiery. We've got so
many opinions coming off of Paradise it's a little bit overwhelming.
That's why we do two episodes. Now, do you get that? Like,
because of how much response we have to this podcast,
now we're pumping out more podcast I'm a big fan
of it. Thank you for taking up, you know, three
hours of my week instead of just one and a half. Now.

(01:03:37):
But hey, that's uh, that's what we talked about later.
Isabella writes in thoughts on these b I P girls
Because I love Christina. I want her to find love
so bad. Do you think you's gonna try again with
Dean or is Dean going to try again with her? Also,
I want to hear your guys opinion on Klin because
there's never really a huge fan of hers. Thoughts. Okay,
we've talked about Calin enough. I think we can skip

(01:03:59):
over that. But Dean, are you gonna go after Christina?
I guess you're just gonna have to tune in to
find out to see if me and Christina could potentially
pick up where we left off Paradise. Oh, I bet
there's a love story behind that. Oh that's what's gonna
be fun about next week? Is you got to see
me come into the beach that we go? I would

(01:04:19):
assume it's next week. I actually don't know, but I
think it is little deaners popping down the stairs. Yeah,
nothing's better, hey, Megan writes in Dean, this is a
great question for you betting situation at b I P.
So obviously everyone is sweaty and it's humid, and there's
constantly people leaving in arriving, so they need to know
how often did this change? Sheets get changed during paradise.

(01:04:41):
It's a good question. I mean, the beds get made
every day. I guess I could paint the picture picture
for you this way. There is three sleeping areas there.
There's the guy sleeping area, the girls sleeping area, and
then there's a new arrival sleeping area. So say there's
four new arrivals in a week, they will sleep in
the new arrivals area, and then when the people leave
from the old room, they will fill their spot in

(01:05:01):
that one. And I guess I've never actually thought to
ask if the sheets are being replaced in there. I've
always just kind of assumed. I've never really been one
to care, so maybe it doesn't really affect me too much.
But every time I went to bed, my bed was made,
my clothes were I think we're folded on top of
my bed. Um. It's it's basically like a hotel, you know,

(01:05:22):
like a hotel outside on the beach. Yeah, okay, okay, well,
it's interesting. Yeah, I wonder you would think there would
be who knows. I mean there's always saying in the
bed I hear. But uh, just to give a little picture,
Paradise isn't a bad place to be. You probably enjoy it,
but it's not like luxurious, it's not. I mean, it's
a nice resort. There are there's air conditioning in the

(01:05:43):
boom boom rooms, which maybe adds the incentive to go
in there with the potential partner. But the rooms that
you sleep in by yourself or or you know, with
your fellow guys or girls. For them, it's unair conditioned.
You're you know, it's it's humid, it's sweaty. You've got
like these kind of these it's you blank gets it's
less than ideal, but it's it could be a lot worse.

(01:06:05):
Like it's not bad. It's not as nice as the van,
is it. It's not the van sleeping can set up
is pretty uh pretty pretty nice. I gotta say that
you can join me one of these days. I would
like to know. I think I'm going to I think
we we we got to use the van at some point.
Um Jane writes in says there's a conversation between Wills

(01:06:27):
and Blake, and which Will's asks Blake if he admitted
to Caitlin being a mistake. In Blake's responses, I guess
hints that Blake did say it. Dean, what do you
think do you think that was a scene where Blake
was still just so caught up in what was going
on that he didn't know how to respond, or do

(01:06:47):
you think he really did say the Calyn was a mistake.
That's hard to say. I could see it both ways.
I could see him hearing Calin say that he said that,
and then so he thinks that maybe he said it,
but I also could see him actually saying it and
forgetting it. And then like, look, if if I woke
up after hooking up with someone and they leaned over

(01:07:08):
and they said, wow, this is a mistake, I would
for sure remember that. If I woke up next to
someone leaned over and I said, oh, this was a mistake,
I would probably forget that. So the point is saying it,
I would forget it. Hearing it, I would a percent
remember it. Yeah. Um, again, it's hard to take either
of these people at their word. Blake and Kalin, given

(01:07:30):
what we know and seeing what we've seen, but given
what I just kind of laid out, I would say
that it was said. Maybe not that she was a mistake,
but maybe the hookup was a mistake. I remember, had
anybody tell you your mistake, Dean? Yes, just let you
know that you're not you, not one at all. That's

(01:07:50):
really kind. I wish. I wish I would have screenshot
of those text messages and blasted them all over my
social when I saw it when I heard that, but
alas I did not. That would embarrass me if you
did that. Actually, are good for Nick Vvile just tweeted
something while we were in that commercial break. I was
going through Twitter, uh, and I just want to share
it real quick. Is that okay? That's fine, he says.
I haven't always loved my portrayal on TV. During that time,

(01:08:11):
I had text conversations that could have changed people's opinions
of my intentions. However, it could have potentially come at
the price of others. I didn't share. I took my beating,
I moved on. I'm better for it. That's what Nick said,
and I agree with it. I admire that. I think
that that's how it should be done. How do you

(01:08:31):
feel about it? I just think like all these people
publicly responding to this still is just different for me.
I don't get. I don't I mean, I don't know.
I retweeted it is that Okay, that's fine, Okay, I
mean I have a But then again, I sit here
and I'm like, why are these people publicly talking about
it I'm talking about on a podcast? I don't know.

(01:08:53):
I feel like I kind of I inserted myself a
little bit with my tweet yesterday, something along the lines
of a public figure shouldn't share a private tech conversation
and how it's a failed attempt to salvage his fragile ego.
Like I'm kind of inserting myself into a situation that
I don't really belong in. I think that we just
kind of feel like we're, uh, we're we're kind of
part of it in a sense, you know, like you

(01:09:14):
host this podcast, I was part of Bachelor in paradiseasan six. Yeah. Well,
I think that for the most part, Well, you significantly
more than me, are upstanding moral citizens, and just like
you see something that doesn't nessarily align with your morals,
you kind of like want to speak out about it.
A little bit. Yeah. I mean I've done it right.
I've done it to political figures. I've done it to
celebrities before, where I've said I disagree with things, I

(01:09:37):
I get it, I will, And then then again, I
sometimes do forget that this podcast is of I mean,
our podcast has almost as many listeners as I do followers,
So like I guess when I talk about on the podcast,
I talked about it publicly. I just forget. This isn't
just like you and I talking and other people will
be joining in on this conversation. Speaking of that, Hey,
if you're joining in on this conversation, I want know

(01:10:00):
who you are, Please tweet me or something like. I
feel like I'm talking to Dean and Ashley every week
in this room and it's great and it's fun. I
just need more friends, so like, let me know that
we're friends, or just let me know that you hate me,
but just let me know you're out there. Then I'm
your friends. I do have to say one thing. It
was brought to my attention by Tory, our producer, here
about the whole Nick tweet that I just read out loud.
She writes on the note, didn't nicko public with sex

(01:10:22):
with Andy and it makes sense. He Yeah, yeah, he did,
didn't he. I still agree with what he said. I
was actually thinking about unretweeting it. It's like, it's like
what he's known for, isn't it. I'm gonna go. I
don't want to hate on him here, but it's not

(01:10:42):
like he's She's not wrong, right, I agree with what
he said, but I do see the kind of irony
and the hypocrisy in that a little bit. Anyways, Yeah,
I wonder if anybody else listeners will point that out,
Like I wonder if people like watching the tweets we
even remember I hadn't like, that's not where my mind went. Um,
But Tori, as usual, you're the engine that makes this

(01:11:03):
thing move along with the rest of the team here
at I Heeart and the talking heads on the podcast
really have no clue what we're talking about. Hey, next
email says Chris B. This is an interesting one, and
it's kind of fun to talk about. Chris B. Seems
so much older than everyone else in Paradise, right. I
mean that's what we assume, but he is the exact
same age as Derek, they say. I just feel like

(01:11:28):
it should be put out there that that emails from Hillary.
Were you are you friends with Chris? Uh? He lives
in Denver. I've met him like on the street once,
like we're at the same restaurant and so no, I
don't know him at all, Like I have zero Like
we've talked at the restaurant probably fifteen minutes and moved on.
I mean, it is crazy. He was on Emily Maynard season.
We laugh and we joke and how old he is

(01:11:49):
and how many years he's been on the show and
all this, but he is like the same. I mean,
I don't know how old Derek is, but I bet
they're both younger. Hey, Torrid Daniel, can we get an
age on Chris b I bet he's younger than Nick.
I think it's I think thirty two. Yeah, I mean
thirty two is what who else is thirty two that
we could compare him to on the show. Derek is

(01:12:10):
definitely thirty two. So Christie is thirty two years old.
So when he did the show, he was twenty five,
which was how old I did I was. It's just
been such a long time since he did it last
that it feels like he might be older. Yeah, Like
he's not even maybe the oldest guy in Paradise. I
don't think Chris is thirty two as well, that's wild.
Kris Pukowski is thirty two. Yeah, I mean there's a

(01:12:34):
lot of guys in their thirties that are doing this show.
I mean you have Nick, and you have Chris, Souls
and you have Ari. I mean those are some past
bachelors that I can point out that are older than that.
Um Clay is thirty. Yeah, it's weird. There's a bunch
of thirty year olds down there on the beach this year. Yeah,
you know, he belongs thirty two and you belong as

(01:12:55):
is thirty four. So she she is the the oldest
person in UM in Paradise, older than Chris Pukowski. Wow. Crazy? Hey, Uh, okay,
let's do one more here. Um. Actually, they're all about
Blake and I'm kind of done. I'm done with this conversation.
I think we've we've hard done enough. I think the
summary to all of this is, uh, you know, the

(01:13:17):
truth is, there's two sides every story. Uh. We have
to stay curious as friends, family listeners in life. I
think so that we we don't jump to assumptions. But sharing,
I think we're coming on this podcast. What Dean is
saying is sharing text at any level, at any moment
that are personal seems like a huge step over the

(01:13:38):
kind of the the unspoken rule of privacy, and it's
just completely invasive. That's what you're saying, Dean. What I'm
saying is I don't want to watch anymore again. Like
I don't watch Paradise to see this kind of stuff.
I watch Paradise to see J. P J. Puking on
a beach over James Taco. Like that's what I watch.
I don't know. I want to see more of that.

(01:13:59):
I want to see more James Taco making J p J. Puke.
I don't think so. That's actually my listener email this
week to the almost famous podcast from Ben. Why don't
we get to see more of this kind of stuff? Dean? Hey,
you're great as always. I love you, buddy. I cannot
wait to watch you Imparadise. I hope um this love
story plays out for you. I hope there is an

(01:14:20):
amazing future Um that you are now um pursuing post
show and uh hey for next week. We wish all
these cast members the best of luck. We're rooting for
the Hannah and Dylans of the world. We're rooting for
the Demi, and Derek's rooting for the Cam and Kalin's
who who with that? Dean follow my lead here, Buddy,
I've been been, I've been. Actually, no, you haven't been.

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