The Fall of JPJ and the Matt Donald Tornado

Ashley and Ben are back together and ready to break down this week’s episodes of Bachelor in Paradise!

 

How DO we feel about John Paul Jones? We discuss how little we actually know about his character.

 

What was up with Matt Donald bringing his mom into the conversation?

 

And we’re faced with the question: do we watch The Bachelor for the love? Or the drama?

Plus, we hear some secret details about Ashley’s wedding that nobody knows!

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Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast with i R Radio.
Jeez back. I was back last week, but I wasn't
back with you. You weren't back with me. I've missed
I've missed you. Ben. It's not like pre wedding glow
to you. A pre wedding glow, not a post honeymoon glows.
Post honeymoon glow, I mean, oh thank you, it's going

(01:07):
to fade fast because I feel like the worst thing
I could say, um, I meant like today was like
the first official work day back from like our whole
month off pretty much. You know, I've responded to some
emails here and there, and like I've ignored a lot

(01:28):
of and then but today, like Jared and I were
like bombarded with the phone calls and emails and texts,
and it's like, oh, we're back to work, which is
an absolute fabulous thing, but you know, it's we were
like trying to drag out that nice little honeymoon period
as far as we could, but we definitely realized, like

(01:48):
today we're no longer on vacation in love. Yeah, How
long does it take you to like wind down when
you're on vacation. This has been a a popular topic
over the last few years as millennials have kind of
pulled back on how many vacations they're taking. Instead they're
doing more like just adventure travel. So like when you

(02:10):
go on a vacation to rest, relax and get your
mind off of everything going on in your world, how
many days that take you to kind of just relax.
I think it depends on whether I wrap up everything
the days before we go away, which I really try
to do, like I'll stay up really late to just
try to get everything done and responded to. And with

(02:31):
Jared and I on the honeymoon, like pretty much midway
that week before the wedding, we were like okay, like
Thursday night, We're okay, we're done with everything and we're
just gonna like let loose, and so I think on
our honeymoon it was super easy. Of course, we were
in Europe for thirteen nights, so we did like have
a couple of nights where we like had to get

(02:51):
in the computer and respond to emails and edit some stuff,
but for the most part, we were like very We're
pretty unplowed the This is a good question for the listeners, Ashley.
Over the last few weeks we've been asking our listeners
to twitter in or email in responses to just two
questions each podcast, and they've been incredible at it and
it's super fun to read. So I'm gonna ask all

(03:13):
the listeners if you go on vacation and you've got
a hectic We're all busy. Everybody is busy these days.
If you're busy, you take a vacation, how many days
does it take you to wind down? And then I
had also for my own benefit, like to know what
do you do? Like Ashley said, she kind of tries
to get everything done beforehand and prep so that winding

(03:34):
down is easier. Also, I have to say apologize everybody
listening and to you, ash My allergies are awful right now.
So I'm stuffy. It's okay, Yeah, it's cute. I know
it is awful. Like over the last week it has
like tripled. So if I sound like melancholy and not
into this, it's not at all the case. I just

(03:55):
can't breathe. I want to say one thing in respond
to your question. I think what Jared and I do
as far as like like just having nights or like
blocks of time too if any work comes up to
address it is the best way. I think if you
are responding to every email in every text while they
come at you, then you never get centered on a vacation.

(04:19):
I think you need to be like, Okay, I will
address this tonight like and ignore it until then. Yeah,
that's not a bad idea. Yeah, I think so. I
was talking to Jessica about this other day because we're
gonna take a trip to a wedding in Mexico here
coming up, and we decided that I can't not do
anything all day like that. I just don't. It doesn't
help me. And so what it doesn't help you relax
if you realize how much you have. So I like

(04:41):
an hour and a half after my workout in the
mornings on vacation are the best. Hey, um, Ashley, We've
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(06:54):
feel like I should say we're back and we have
a special guest co host actually like and Nettie's because
now we're together. Sad, Ben, we've missed you Ash, it's been.
It's been sad with that. We've had a great time
and we've made it work and we've done our best,
but you were missed by so many. You had to
talk about a lot of hot topics by yourself or

(07:18):
with the help of Easton and Mark and Tory and
Amy I'm sure and whoever the guests were that week,
But there was some very spicy topics that you had
to address, from Demi and Christian to uh, what was
the other? Really? I guess Blake. You did Blake all alone, Dean. Wow. Okay,
that's crazy. But since we've been talking so much about

(07:40):
my vacation and my wedding, I want to ask you
what you've done the past couple of weeks besides the
podcast alone, Ashley, this is something so cool and I'm
glad you asked at the end of this podcast. By
the way, we haven't our notes here. I really want
to talk to you about your wedding and the honeymoon
and just like go into more details. I think it's important.

(08:02):
So even if you feel like you've talked about it
a ton, I want you to be selfish and talk
about it more time until our honeymo video comes out.
But we'll break down the podcast first or the episodes first.
But this is what I did, Ashley. For a couple
of weeks, I've been talking about almost famous podcast. I

(08:22):
haven't gotten into too many details about. Ten months ago,
two friends and I came up with an idea um
and I want to say I followed them. It's called
the Wedding Party. And the wedding Party was this festival
where nine couples got married at one time on a stage.
I was the officiant. And then the reception is a

(08:43):
joint reception where all the couple's friends and family come
together to celebrate. And then we also sold five hundred
wedding crash your tickets for random strangers that just want
to come to a massive, huge celebration. So the reception
is a food and drink festival. It happened this last Sunday.

(09:03):
This happened this week. Oh my gosh, I can't believe
it came in one already. This has been something thousand
people showed up. Two. How I feel about that? I mean, like,
I just want to know everybody at my wedding. I
don't know why these people would choose to, you know,
to have strangers at their wedding. But okay, so here's here.

(09:26):
It was our thought process. Actually, it was a magical night.
We had couples, uh, from all different backgrounds, all different
love stories. Uh. It was a very diverse group and
that made it so beautiful, and everybody was sharing love
on stage. Here's the type of people we had, right,
we had people that were going to Elope, uh, and
so they're just gonna go to the kind of the

(09:46):
courthouse and Elope. They were couples who maybe didn't have
the time to plan a wedding, or maybe didn't have
the finance to plan a wedding, or they just wanted
something weird. So like we had some couples that just
wanted like their wedding to be something weird, and so
all of those couples kind of matched our criteria. It
was beautiful. I'm telling you. We were all nervous. I

(10:07):
was so anxious for weeks now, I've been anxious about
this thing, and it happened, and every couple on the
bus home that night, I was crying. It was amazing.
Did you officiate just one of the ceremonies? No, all nine.
You officiated nine ceremonies. It was one massive ceremony. So

(10:28):
the nine couples sit up on stage that each had
individual vows, walked down the aisle, and then all nine
couples sit up on stage and I went through the
whole thing with all nine of them. That's really cool.
If you're into something that's a little bit like different,
you know, if if you don't, if you never imagined
yourself having a traditional wedding, like you said, some of
these people were going to Elope. Some of these people

(10:50):
didn't want to plan that. It makes a lot of
sense for you, But you know it would be I
would you know it would be. It's unconventional. It is,
it is unconventional. It has to be the right person.
But I'm telling you if you are the right couple.
It worked really well. But I just want to say
congratulations and Dining on Events, Um, that was It was
just a massive, beautiful ceremony. And the wedding planners knew

(11:15):
Troy from your wedding. They were good friends with them,
so that was cool. Anyways, Hey, if you're out there
listening to this and you think this is weird or
you think it's cool, uh, check out the wedding party
on Instagram, all the videos from this weekend. We're on it.
We'll do it again in a city near you, I
think really soon. Okay, Hey, that's enough about me. Actually,
we'll talk about you at the end of the podcast.

(11:36):
Let's jump in to this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise. Actually,
there's so much going on. There's so much, so much
to talk about. I feel like we're at a place
where every love story is kind of culminating. And now
it's the make or break week in Paradise. It's that
decision making week because we're we have two more weeks left,

(11:57):
which is I think two more weeks, am I wrong?
Which is the longest season of Paradise ever though that's
seven weeks and it was four hours a week, all right. Actually,
after watching this week's episodes, I think there's only one
way to really break these down fairly, and that's to
kind of do it in all in one, like not
to do episode by episode like we usually do. But
they kind of tie it all together because it feels

(12:19):
like during this make or Break It week, all the
storylines are so tied together. You down for that, Well,
let's do it, okay, perfect, Okay. So here's the thing.
This whole episode or these all these episodes kind of
are set up with coming off of Kris and Crystal's wedding,
which was way more dramatic than any of us preferred
or wanted or even probably they wanted, but it caused

(12:42):
a lot of minute They were like that was they
didn't they didn't feel happy watching this back. It seems
like all this whole episode is set up by Chris
and Crystal's wedding, which had a lot of drama there
here last week talking about that it wasn't preferred, but
it happened. I mean, it's paradise. And some of the
biggest drama leading into this week was the question over
is Clay over Angela Ashley to me, I've has been

(13:06):
very clear, and that's why I'm confused the whole time
that he is very over Angela. It's still weird. It's
his ex, like there's still a little bit of a pole.
It's still probably hard to see her like that. That's natural,
but he's he's very much over her. It feels like
the beach though. The people on the beach are trying
to convince him that he isn't over Isn't that so weird?
I would have never thought that he wasn't over it

(13:29):
until Tasia made a big deal that he wasn't and
she she said, like, you didn't mention that you had
a girlfriend to like everybody at the wedding, the newcomers
and such. Angela included in that, and I was all like,
understanding what you just said. Until Tasia brought up that

(13:51):
fact and I was like, wait, that is weird that
she didn't That he didn't bring up Nicole's name when
talking to Angela. That's wacky. That that's that that's proof
to me that maybe he was or Okay, maybe that
doesn't signal that he is not over Angela. Maybe it's
signals that he didn't want to hurt Angela more in

(14:11):
that moment, that was where I was going. I have
been around now, I was just thinking about this preparing
for the podcast. Was I been around some of my friends.
One of my my good buddies, you know, went through
a pretty bad breakup. He's now dating again. I cannot
imagine if he saw his ex and like within that conversation,

(14:32):
like how hard it was because they care about each
other still, like there it's a mutual breakup. They're fine,
but I think it would hurt them both if like
another name was brought up just out of nowhere. Now,
if it was asked, hey, how's your girlfriend. I think
it would be great to say she's awesome, she's great,
We're doing really well, but just says like I think
probably he felt like he was gonna just be like

(14:53):
rubbing it in a little bit if if he brought
up her name. Yeah, And he should have told Tisha
when she confronted him about that, that he simply didn't
want to hurt her feelings anymore, and that he probably
thought or he was probably naive to the thought that
there was a possibility of Angela coming into Paradise. He
possibly thought that he was just having a conversation with
her at the wedding and that she would find out

(15:14):
when he got home from Paradise that she showed up.
Is it hypocritical at all? It's a hypocrite. She's madic
Clay for coming down to Paradise and being there so soon.
Is it hypocritical at all for her to show up?
Or is it fair because since he went, it gives
her the not permission. Nobody needs permission to go to Paradise,
but does give her the right or does it make

(15:36):
it feel better that she came. I think I'm on
the side of it's fair that she's there, and like
she gets to do the whole thing too, especially if
he was the one who ended the relationship, then she
definitely should be allowed to go down to Paradise. I
think people in this whole like drama are probably being like, yeah,
but she's just there to create drama for Clay and
prevent him from having a happy ending. Possibly, she probably

(15:58):
wanted to go in and ruffle little feathers. She probably
wanted to make him feel a little bit jealous by
going out with Mike. She probably or anyone for that matter,
she but like, I don't think that she I think
maybe her intention was to go in and ruffle feathers
and make him jealous. But I think that at the
end of the day, she just end up going to
end up moving on. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean,

(16:21):
it doesn't feel like it feels like both of them
had a mutual breakup. There was pains involved, it's time
to move on. And honestly, throughout this pod or throughout
this episode, I felt like we moved on and we
moved on to a mutual though, Ben, I think that
he broke up with her and she wanted to get back.
I think what you mean is like she wasn't like

(16:42):
it was done. It was there was no loose ends.
But I actually think that there was a loose end,
and I think that it was because Clay was trying
to ease the blow and he probably said something along
the lines. And I'm not sure if I said this
last week in the podcast, and I apologize to listeners
if I am repeating myself, but he said I think
when he was trying to ease the blow of the breakup,

(17:02):
he must have said something like, you know, I'm not
in the place right now, but one day I might be,
So like maybe this isn't over, but maybe, but I
really need to take a break now. And if he
did end it like that, then I can see her
holding on hope and I can now understand why she
was so upset to see him there, because he should
have just been upfront and being like, you're not my person.

(17:22):
It's a weird breakup actually, because I remember when this
whole Paradise season started, we were just getting into it,
and I mean, there was a thousand rumors around why
they broke up, from cheating to yeah, like there was
all these different rumors. I don't have any clue what happened.
There was no cheating, but I don't know why that
rumor started. I think, I think honestly because of the
way she acted at the wedding. She seemed like a

(17:44):
woman scored. Oh she did? Holy cow? Do you that
walk was? We all were like, what the like? We
felt the power in the stride. It was something else.
So well, let's close that chapter though, because it feels
like a chapter needs to be closed. Clay is happy,

(18:04):
Angela is moving on, and I want to sit here
for a bit, Ashley and try to dice sect the
J p J kind of interactions that he's having on
this episode. It feels heavy, it feels odd. It's hard
to watch from a guy that we've loved for his
joy and and and peacefulness and just kind of go

(18:26):
with the flow attitude. Ashley. It's gonna be a lot.
But I want to ask the second question of the
podcast to all the listeners out there. Please email us
at ben acshually I hurt me dot com, or tweet
us on Twitter and hashtag Almost Famous podcast. What are
your thoughts on JPJ? I don't know, you know, I
want the listeners to know. I really want the listeners

(18:48):
to kind of we're going to talk about ours, but
I really want the listeners to kind of fill in
on their thoughts. I think everybody's confused. It feels hard
to watch, and it isn't getting any easier to watch
with that. Actually, before we talk about jp J, let's
take one more breaks Cliffhanger. All right, Ashley, one of

(19:17):
our favorite people to ever come onto the Bachelor franchise.
We've loved him, we've supported him, we've lifted him up,
and we put him on this prestigious pedestal, and then
this week j p J feels like falls hard. He
feels like he falls hard in multiple ways. He's falling
hard for Tasia, but he's falling hard on the show

(19:39):
as well. Ashley, you're always an expert at this. You
break these things down better than I ever could. What
are you seeing? What are you feeling? And then leading
into even the second episode, what where? What are we
thinking about JPJ? Right now? My my thoughts on jp
J are really all over the place. I want to
say that I think that he's been one of our

(20:00):
favorite people to watch, but we even't really like known
his character, and now where he's kind of like showing
his character and it's like he just seems to want
to fight. I don't know, I really I wish. I
wish I could articulate myself better here with JPJ. But
maybe he truly heard something. I really want to give

(20:21):
him a bit of the benefit of the doubt right
now and say that maybe he truly did hear something
behind the scenes of Derek saying something that he really
thought symbolize a character fall on him and he was
really trying to protect Asia from a bad guy. Um,
But what it appears on TV is that he's really

(20:43):
just jealous and coming up with anything to claim that
Derok is just a jerk who is unfit for Tasia.
His behavior has been extra The way that he's dealt
with this jealousy or whatever he heard is really been
completely immature. He has very poor argumentative skills, and I

(21:05):
think now that Derek is gone, I I think it's
gonna be hard for him to win Tasha back after
all the drama that he's created. Here's what I think.
What do you think? I think that j Pj's feeling
like he really cares for Tasha. He doesn't know how

(21:26):
to handle that well. I don't think his ability to
debate has gone well at all. I think he gets
in his own head. In his own head, he doesn't
make great points, So we're watching him just kind of
get frustrated with not only a situation but with himself
because he has things he wants to say. But then
he just laughs in people's face, which is one of
the most childish, disrespectful things I could I could think of,

(21:47):
And I'm not okay with that. If I have an
issue with another person and actually I need to go
off on a little tangent. I haven't done this in
a while, but it feels kind of good if I
have an issue with a person, how Derek handled that. Now,
I don't know what Derek said behind the scenes. I
don't know Derek really well personally, But if I have
an issue with somebody, what Derek did by going to
JPJ and saying, can we talk about this together personally
because I want to just try to get this fixed,

(22:09):
is the right way to handle it. But I can
see where angle anger ensues when somebody starts laughing in
your face about some of the things you're upset about.
I also now I fear that JPJ blaming this on
Derek is going to come back to Biden because I
think jpj's issues are gonna still exist even with Derek gone,
which is gonna show that Derek wasn't the issue. The

(22:31):
issue was JPJ himself struggling with ever whatever emotion was
internally inside of him. And I'm coming to all of this,
and I didn't say a lot about it last week
because I didn't know how I felt. I'm saying all
of this because for me, it was proven this week
that JPJ has something going on that is not healthy
and not good when he spoke to Haley when it

(22:52):
was just Derek and JPJ is like, Okay, maybe Derek
did say something behind the scenes upset JPJ. Maybe Derek
is like showing us side not around cameras that we
are seeing. I don't know that side of it, right,
I got to just kind of watch and see. But
once JPJ sat down with Haley and the way he
handled that conversation and how much confidence he had and
that he handled it correctly, which he didn't, and how

(23:14):
sad and hurt she was and how bad he wasn't communicating,
then I then it for for the first time, we
really started to think this is a JPJ issue only
and nobody else's issue. Yeah, you're right, boom he said it.
You're talking about the conversation that they had at the bar,
and that was she just I was so proud of

(23:35):
her in that moment, and I love the way Demi
was reacting to her because like she kept hitting all
of his hypocritical points. Yeah, definitely. It's just it's tough,
and we see it through episode two as well. Is
the guys worked up, and when he works up, it
feels like he does the common thing where once we
get angry, we stopped listening and we start to like

(23:55):
get defensive and have more confidence that our anger is necessary.
But here's the thing, none of us are our best
selves when we're defensive. I said it last week. I'll
say it again this week. None of us are our
best sellers and we're defensive. We have too in those moments,
take a step back and go what am I seeing here? What?
What is the situation? Am I wrong? Am I right? Uh?

(24:16):
You know there's there's a great quote that my mentor
told me. And when you put yourself in a place
of leadership or you have a platform, like anybody in
this show has, you give up the ability to overreact.
And I think in this moment J PJ is overreacting
and we're watching it live on television and we're not
seeing his best self. I don't think. And then I

(24:38):
want to ask you and I want to ask our
listeners this, what we're seeing right now is not who
JPJ typically is. Right, It's not a microcosm of his
everyday life, or do you guys believe it is? Like?
Is this how he interacts into his normal everyday life
and we just haven't seen it yet? No. I think
that this is a case of the show and the
situations that the show puts you in um putting, displaying

(25:03):
the worst part of your personality, a part of your
personality that you do yourself, don't even see very often,
but like it comes out in this very weird culture
that is Bachelor in Paradise. I think that remember before
the wedding, the first half of the wedding, it was
so funny that during the during like the pre cocktail party,

(25:23):
everyone was talking about JPJ and like how surprised they
were by him, and how wonderful he was and the
best listener and communicator and all this stuff, and like
people said that they felt so deeply connected to him.
And then the second half of the wedding, during the
actual you know, like the cocktail party before the reception,
everybody was like that was so out of character, and everybodydy,

(25:46):
everybody's felt so thrown off by him. So I think
what his normal personality is is what they described. But
then I think the situation that he was part of
just made the worst of himself come out well, and
it doesn't seem to throw it of Tassia too much,
super confused because like you'd think that it would, but
maybe and like you know what she's like at the wedding.

(26:08):
I'm just gonna say this. At the wedding, she told
me that both JPJ and Derek were interested in her,
but she said that her heart was really pulling her
in the JPJ such um side of things. But on
the show, I've seen her more torn than anything, and
I don't see any of these strong emotions that she

(26:30):
told me about. I think she just seems confused. And
if it doesn't, doesn't she just seem confused to me.
Like when she dumped Derek, it was because she clearly
didn't really have feelings for Derek. But with jp J,
I don't really feel anything for her either. It's it's
almost like maybe we didn't see all of it, but
it's almost like jp if she was so unattracted to

(26:52):
the arguments, it felt like I'm I'm not. It felt
like JPJ almost was leading these arguments. So if she
was unattracted to Derek because he was argumentative, then wouldn't
she just be unattracted to Jpj's well, But she chooses,
so I don't think she wasn't She wasn't unattracted to
Derek because of like any argument. She just like truly

(27:14):
felt more of a intellectual, emotional, I don't know, physical
attraction to JPJ over Derek. And this was before the
fight even happened, that I was having this conversation with her.
But I wonder why she felt that she why she
would even entertain the idea of Derek there. Yeah, I
think I haven't. I have a theory. Her brain was

(27:37):
saying JPJ makes no sense with you. You have no
future with a guy like that. He's never what you
pictured yourself with. But there was some pull in her
heart that said, like, you should give this a try. Yeah,
And it's almost like that you hear it every once
in a while kind of whispered into bachelination is like
the Bachelor's the one time you can date somebody that
you're not typically used to dating. And it feels like

(28:00):
Sha isn't used to dating like the jpg's of the world,
and it scares her. And then and then when she
starts to like tip her you know, toe in the water,
the JPJ water, She's like, oh, I kind of like it,
but yeah, it feels weird and it's like a little
bit off. I think that this whole situation is going
to be an interesting one to watch. I mean obviously
Tasia hasn't given up on them yet. It feels it

(28:24):
feels like hopefully JPJ can start to get his stuff together.
I still feel bad, honestly for Haley. I don't love
how this played out for her. Um it isn't great.
She's a great girl. Um. I've gotten to know them personally,
obviously they're on my season. Uh and Haley for the
first time, you know, a long time time to through
a risk and came there without her sister. It feels

(28:45):
like this isn't gonna end well for Haley, and unfortunately
JPJ is the cause of it. And we should also
say that Haley ends up getting given her rose to to.
I was gonna say Nick, which is really it's not Nick,
it's Luke s and I don't understand these comparisons. There's

(29:05):
a similarity, but they're not the same. People think they're
very similar looking, not like the same person said yes
and no, like yes and no. I mean okay, it's
it's if you set them side by side, you'd be like, okay,
they look similar. Now Now Nick is like, it's the face,

(29:27):
it's just all the hair textures and it's the hair.
I mean, Nick's Nick's a Division one athlete. Like there's
a different like body structure that exists with Nick than
than Lucas. Uh well, hey, we brought up blue cast,
so let's talk about it. Not nothing crazy going on here.
But Lucas shows up to the beach along with Mr

(29:47):
McDonald um, and they are I mean, McDonald's the hot
commodity in Paradise. Lucas doesn't get a lot of attention.
I think he's kind of like takes Christina out by
default or Christina goes out with him by the fall.
But McDonald, now, yeah, women are like super into him
and it's funny. I don't. I don't. I think he's

(30:11):
a good looking guy. I don't like to understand why
the women are just funny. He seems very sweet. He
comes from apparently a very wholesome household because he's very
concerned about his mom seeing him kiss on the show.
He's not used to the whole Bachelor format, considering he
was eliminated on night one of Hannah's season, so he's

(30:32):
very slow to kiss Sydney, which he does before the
rose ceremony in which she gives him her rose, but
then he ends up going out on a date with Bree,
who is super beautiful and from Arisri season. Wait, no,
she's from she's from Colton season. Why would I think
she's from c Coulton season? Totally under the radar. She

(30:56):
comes in and Matt McDonald goes on a date with
her and they kiss there too. It's Donald, by the way,
I said McDonald, But it's Donald. I just looked it up.
It is Donald, looked McDonald. You know. He was being
kind of hyped up as the next grocery store Joe.
I don't know if he's got that swagger. Actually, I'm

(31:18):
all for wholesomeness. I really am. Like it's nice. It'sespecially
good to see on this show, but it feels weird
to me. And I love my mom and I don't
want her to see me doing weird stuff on TV.
That's not good for anybody. But it felt like almost
awkward for me to watch him say I can't do
this because my mom wouldn't like it. It was super weird.

(31:39):
I'm like, you're an adult, You're on the Bachelor. Your
mom I'm sure condones you being on the Bachelor because
this is your second time around. It's okay. It was
super awkward because she said, I'm sorry, I keep saying
super awk, but she said, um that thing like how
do you say kiss? And then he was like, I
don't think I can do that. I mean, so we agree,

(32:02):
Like Matt Donald seems like a nice dude, Like he
seems like his intentions are good. He you know, the
women are saying that he's super attractive. They're into it.
I'm rooting for Matt Donald here. I mean, I know,
his like whole hey, i'm not gonna kiss you thing
because my mom's watching feels weird. But then he ends
up kissing her. You know, he doesn't hold back from

(32:23):
the kissing after he gets comfortable with the cameras. I
I get it, Like when you show I mean, he
was only we forget this. He was only there for
a few hours during his time on the Bachelorette. He
isn't used to the cameras at all. The rest of
these people are. He shows up now for the first
time ever, he's in front of cameras and he's dating
and he's gonna be kissing. It is a hard transition.

(32:46):
So that's all we can't forget here. I think for me,
I got like right away, I was like, well, that's weird.
He's just being weird. And then I was like, no,
for the first time ever, this dude's in front of
cameras and he's being pursued for the first time ever.
Like he got thrown in fast to this whole thing
he did. He's not used to it, and like that
always happens with the night winners that end up in paradise.

(33:09):
But he's gonna thrive. It kind of already feels like it, right,
I mean, did we see it with with Bree, who
is a beautiful person. We've met Brie and she's into him.
So now Matt Donald has his his hands full, and
I wonder how I want Haley to do well. I

(33:30):
want Haley to do well. Why can't Haley and Matt
be okay? Why can't they be dating? It just feels
like I think that Haley. I honestly thought Haley and
JPJ were the couple that could make it work. Remember
when we said, like going into Paradise. I think before
it's shot that we were like the JPJ and Haley
makes so much sense together. Um, she like she said

(33:53):
that he's playful and funny and smart, and they could
you know that she could be a really good match
with APJ, but we obviously see that she had no
longer felt that way eventually. But we still want happiness
for Haley, but I guess we want happiness for everyone. Yeah,
I mean we do, but at the same time, we
want good matches, and it feels like the JPJ Haley

(34:14):
match worked. It also feels like Matt Donald is compatible
here with a lot of the women left in Paradise.
I mean, we see Sydney still in tow him by
giving him her rose, and then we see, you know,
the brief situation kind of come to ahead with her
asking Matt on the date Matt, Matt might be kind
of that like last couple of weeks person to step
into Paradise and cause a WorldWind, a whirlwind or you know,

(34:39):
a big mess for the couple of sitting there tornado.
It always is weird, though, with these late entrances, because
it's often encouraged to leave Paradise engaged or you know,
or then you can just like, you know, kind of
flirt in real life. So it's always like, well, if
they're going to come in this late, they're obviously not

(35:01):
going to get engaged. So these people are just going
to have to be okay with dating in real life
and leaving the show before it's really like the show
is done filming. Yeah right, it's like, what's the point.
I think that there should be a season, And this
is a great question for the audience. I think there
should be a season where people stop coming in at

(35:22):
a certain point and if you don't like anyone, if
there's you're not hitting it off with anybody there and
you're not like going to get to an engagement point,
then you go and we watch people who are in relationships,
serious relationships grow and we get to know their relationship more.

(35:43):
Because I do think that there there there's a problem
with Paradise because sometimes when you couple up and get
into a serious relationship, that's when we stop seeing anything
from you. Like we've seen so little Hannah g and
Dylan the past couple of weeks because they're just happy
and there's no drama with them anymore. But then we're
not really getting to know what they have. The same thing,

(36:05):
I mean, the same thing could be argued with Chris
and Katie. We haven't seen any of Chris Bukowski and
Katie because you know, like we saw this week he
asked her to be his girlfriend, which means they've been
doing great with little drama, so we don't see them
like we we lose the love aspect of the show
because they aren't creating any of the stories. Yes, so

(36:25):
I think, like you know, maybe Bachelor producers, next season
you cut people coming in off at a certain point
and then we just get to see what's flourishing in
paradise more. Let me know, audience, if you think that
this is something that they should explore for a future season.
That's a good question, and I mean it really comes
out of this Ashley. Are people we're talking about this

(36:47):
right now with the Bachelor Live Show where we're doing
the tour around the United States? Is are people more
interested in watching the drama or watching the love? We
don't know yet. That's a question that everybody's been asking
about The Bachelor since the beginning of time. Do you
watch it for the drama or do you watch it
for the love? If it was just a love show,
would you still be as interested? I would argue you

(37:08):
wouldn't be. I think we like watching the drama. I
think you're right. I think there's a balance to be had,
and I think maybe the quota for love is a
little low right now, maybe a little bit more more
just some funny moments between Katie and Chris or Hannah
and Dylan. We did see some pretty intense uh Dylan

(37:30):
boom boom room action. Yeah, I mean okay, so speaking
of boom boom room, Yeah, let's move on. Yeah, we
have a few more stories that we need to break down.
We have Blake and Christina starting their little love triangle.
We have Dean showing up to Paradise. We have Kalen
and Connor and Klin saying that she is taking Connor
to the boom boom room or he's taking here. I

(37:51):
don't know how that works. It's mutual, it's can there's
constant I'm sure. Um actually there is very very and
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it gives me really excited. Hey, um, Ashley, we have
few of the things that discussed. We have a big
engagement in Batination. We also have your wedding to chat about.
In addition to all that, we need to finish breaking
that down this week's episodes of Bachelor in Paradise. There's
really two main storylines that I think we need to

(41:07):
talk about that are currently existing in Paradise. One is
that you know, obviously we see Mike go home. Um,
that's sad. And then you know, we don't know what
his future entails, but we were hopeful that we'll see
more of Mike. But outside of his departure, which is

(41:28):
obviously a big departure from Paradise, we have the biggest
story of the week, which is my in my opinion,
the Dean scenario. And so let's start with a huge story,
but not as impactful of story. It's the Blake and
Christina situation. Here. Let's lay it down for a second.
Blake and Christina, it's been public that they've dated before Paradise.

(41:50):
They had something that was good, they had ended it mutually.
But then also Christina was involved in the stagecoach coach scenario,
so we saw her show up to Paradise take Blake
on a date. Uh, she wasn't very happy with him.
She had no intention of any romantic relationship with him,
and then as this season has continued, she's been very
supportive of Blake and kind of kept him around because

(42:12):
she believes he is a good man that deserves love.
We have Blake then, and we see him alone often sad.
He always has a football in his hand. He's sometimes
sitting off the side, he's stubbing his toe. His whole
time on Paradise right, it's been awful. His whole time
in Paradise has been painful at best, and it has

(42:33):
not been good for him. I think it has caused
obviously saw the public things that he's done on social media,
he's gone out and said, hey, I this Kalin situation.
It's not what it's looked like. There was a mutual thing.
All this stuff has led up to this point. I
told him to go to Europe, and I will clarify.
I told him to go to Europe just for the
Paradise airing, not to live forever, just to ignore things

(42:57):
and ignore things. He probably should up the first few weeks,
but he obviously didn't. Leading up to this moment, when
Blake started saying all the characteristics he wants in a woman.
He starts claiming all these things that he sees, and
then he goes, holy cow, this woman is right in
front of me and it's Christina Ashley. Just without let

(43:21):
Stephen take the show out of play here. For if
somebody were to tell you this story without you having
any context, your first reaction would be what would be
he does? He says he doesn't want to do friendship
roses anymore, so he's going to up the antie with
Christina just for Paradise. I mean, sorry, but they already

(43:44):
did that whole relationship in real life thing and it
didn't work out. I guess I can't speak though, because
Jared and I did very similar things where it was
like we're kind of together in Paradise, and then it's
like we're kind of together camera, and then we're very
much not together off camera, and then we're very off
camera we're very not on in paradise. So feelings can

(44:08):
change and evolve, and friendships can definitely turn into more
even if they started romantic in the first place. So
I can't completely crap on this, but I think it
is a little bit hard for the audience to believe
that at this moment, all the sudden, his eyes open
to this girl who's been there all along, and it's

(44:29):
supposed to be romantic, but it's just a little bit
hard to buy. But sometimes things that are real are
also hard to buy. Definitely, I just and I think
she's skeptical too. I think that's maybe how you sum
this up is we just don't know yet, but she's
obviously skeptical. This whole scenario is a little skeptical. But
we're also coming in this and I want to give

(44:51):
Blake the benefit of the doubt. We're coming into into
this whole thing with a frame of how this season's
gone for him so far, and so you know, Blake
hasn't been and uh maybe beloved or rooted for as
much as maybe some of the people in Paradise are
kind of routed for him. We don't know. But all this,
you know, if this was if this same scenario was
reversed and it was somebody like a let's say Clay,

(45:12):
who we won't know, has wanted love, maybe he hasn't
messed up like Blake did a couple of times, we
would be saying this is maybe sweet, this is maybe nice,
this is awesome, that he's still this woman that has
been in front of the whole time. He's actually into Yeah,
it definitely, definitely, You're right. It depends. It's because Blake
started out with such a bad taste in people's mouths.

(45:32):
But I do want to say that Blake has come
across over the past two weeks now, like really sweet.
He seems like a good listener. He's there having heart
to heart with everybody, and I'm I'm feeling better about Blake,
and I'm sure a lot of our listeners aren't too.
I think he's going to be routed fourth. Then that's
my that's my thing, is I think on the live
show and then here I think we'll be rooting for Blake.

(45:54):
I don't know. I would just imagine just knowing his
intentions this whole thing. Maybe just like we Blake, you
messed up. It wasn't good, But like, let's move on
from it, truly, let's learn from it. The Kalin and
Blake drama that happened with the text messages. It was
it was about four weeks ago today, and it's like

(46:15):
it feels like it was forever ago. People move on
quick in Paradise. Well, speaking of moving on, quick. Does
it feel like Dean moved on quick? Actually he need it.
He he came back to America and within literally I
feel like twenty four to four d eight hours, he
was like, I'm going to go back for her. I

(46:35):
miss her. And if you guys really want to know
what Dean did, I'm sure he'll talk more about it
on the help of Second Dating podcast. But he went
to the Grand Canyon by himself. He must have landed
back at l a X, took his van to the
Grand Canyon, which is like what eight to ten hours
away or something, and then he like sat there looking

(46:59):
at all the majestic beauty that is Mother Nature, and
he thought, I want Calin besides me for this moment.
And then he turned around and I don't know, I
don't know how this man doesn't get tired of driving,
but he like turns right around and goes back to
l A Records a help I suck at Dating podcast,

(47:19):
And then he got back on a plane to Mexico
to go after Calin. And I think it's super romantic
and I wish they had documented. Oh, I guess they
didn't know this was going to happen. They didn't know
that his feelings were just not going to disappear, and
that he was going to have so much regret. But
it would be super It would have been nice to see,
like all the emotional turmoil he was going through for

(47:41):
those forty eight hours and the decision to go back
and try to get her well, I mean, let's you
explain it perfectly. So he went through Terminili, came back,
did a little work here in studio, said oh, I
like this girl. Flew back, shaved his mustache, but she
didn't pause her time in paradise. She is a good
thing going. What we see at least with Connor, I mean,

(48:03):
they're hot and heavy. They seem to be into each other.
They're kind of those cup that couple that we haven't
seen a lot from, probably because they're not causing a
lot of drama. They're doing a lot of kissing. It
feels very uh physical, It feels like they're very attracted
to each other. And she also says I'm gonna go
to the boom boom room with Connor. All of this
leading up to Dean coming back, and we're kind of
on this cliffhanger right now. The idea is that people

(48:26):
believe Dean and Kylin had a stronger kind of connection. Also,
Klin was pretty beat, just like very sad about you know,
Dean leaving. What happens does she leave? I don't know.
We don't know. We're going to find out next week.
They've really been teasing this. It's been to cliffhangers. Really.
They showed us a preview last week and then we

(48:48):
really didn't get any answers, and we're getting the same
preview for next week. I obviously, you know, love Dean.
Dean is a very close friend of both of ours.
I think we're rooting for Dean and k them to
get back together. In this situation, I personally, I don't,
you know, I'm not there, but I feel like there
was a more There was a more depth to Dean

(49:10):
and Kaylin's relationship, and then with her relationship with Connor,
it seems to be a little bit more just physical.
But you know, maybe I don't know the whole scenario.
And I know that Dean is perhaps not the most
trustworthy person in relationships. And I don't mean that as
far as like his fidelity goes. I mean that as
far as like just like if he's in the right

(49:31):
spot in his life to have a real relationship. We
talked about this last week and how he needs to
find someone who's totally okay with him going all over
the country in a van and maybe not being with
her on even a weekly basis and living this lifestyle
that's not going to be compatible to most. But I
am rooting for them because I just like them both individually,

(49:54):
and I liked the connection that they had together and
seeing her so sad over Dean the day of the wedding,
it just made me feel like I want them to
give another goal and there's always somebody here in the process.
And we all like Connor and let's see how he
handles this if that were to happen, and if not,
how Dean's gonna handle possible rejection. That will be coming

(50:14):
up next week. But that was this week's episodes of
Bachelor in Paradise. It was wild. It was crazy. To
summarize it all, I just want to run through the
roses that we're getting handed out so everybody knows listening
kind of where we're at. Nicole picks, Clay Christian picks, Demi,
Hannah Gy picks, Dylan, Katie Picks, Chris Haley picks Luke
s and probably the most surprising UH Rose hand out

(50:37):
this week. Kalin picks Connor, Sydney picks Matt, Tasha picks JPJ,
and Christina picks Blake And it's not a friendship Rose
this time. Actually, that's this week's episodes of Bachelor in Paradise.
We have two things to talk about to finish out
the episode. One is Astron and Kevin are now engaged.
It was announced on social media UH this week that

(50:57):
Kevin and Astrid are engaged. We're happy for him, we
still rate them. Everybody is finding love and bat nation
and we couldn't be more excited for it. Speaking of love,
love blossoms here on the Almost Fromous podcast and Ashley
I Ken Eddie was celebrating her love with her lover
in a Lover's Week and I have together. Hey, Ashley,

(51:18):
our listeners have been asking, I've been wondering. I'm just
gonna let you have the floor here kind of question time.
Give me questions, Ashley. Um, your wedding was beautiful. I've
summarized a bit of it. The ceremony was a beautiful
ceremony led by Along Gale. The reception was something that
was magical. What was it about your reception that you

(51:40):
really really wanted that you got maybe as a surprise
and you walked in. Can you at least give our
listeners a picture of what your reception looked like because
it was something to be seen. Well, I guess they
can see all the pictures on social media and there
is a couple of links that we've put out there
with like hundreds of pictures, and we've already put out

(52:02):
the surprise day of video that I know that Ben
had spoken about what that are Our videographers REV put
together which was really really cool because they put together
a video like all of our reception and we watched
it at the reception. It was wacky, super cool. Anybody
out there who needs a wedding videographer anywhere throughout the country,

(52:25):
check out REV. It's uh, I'm shameless, plug, but I
don't care. It's a It's l E and then space
R E v E. They are unbelievable. So I think
the thing that that was our reception. People made fun
of us for saying that we wanted our wedding day
to be a romantic experience and not just like a

(52:47):
party in which Bruno Mars like uptown funk you up
plays and like the most standard wedding music, I'm sorry.
So we kind of created a musical journey, and I
think one of the most special things about our reception
was that we handpicked every single song that was played.
I just my wedding planner thought I was nuts, like

(53:08):
he loved it, but he also was like all these
music cues where it was the hardest part of the
day for him. So we had one of Jared's best friend,
but also shout out to Troy Williams. If you need
a wedding planner, Troy Williams of simply Troy. It's very
easy to find his info. Um. So we had Jared's
good friend Frank. He played are the song that I

(53:31):
walked on the aisle too, which was Hansen's for Your Love.
So our romantic experience, and it's no different than Catherine
Low saying that she wanted a grown sexy theme, like
what the hell I remember watching their wedding and mean, like,
what is grown sexy? Anyway, it made sense when we
all saw put together. So first we had Frank heard

(53:54):
sing for Your Love and I walked down the aisle
to that, and I had to have the doors opened.
The church doors had to open out a specific note,
and it was right before Frank said, like is the
modulation of the song. When our video comes out, the
extended video, you guys will be able to see that
whole moment. And that was just the coolest thing ever.

(54:14):
But walking down the aisle was definitely the biggest blur
of the night. People say, your wedding day is such
a blur, you know, try to be in the moment,
but I truly, I really feel like I I lived
in the moment a lot, and Jared and I got
more time together than I ever imagined. We didn't even
have to take those five minute breaks to be together.
We really we sacrifice some conversation with some guests. You know,

(54:37):
we definitely said hi to everyone that we invited, and
we had like, you know, a thirty second banter. But
if a song came on that was like super meaningful
for me to dance with Jared, I was like, I'm
so sorry I have to go um, but yeah, let
me go through the day and like in songs in music.
So then during our reception, during the cocktail party, we

(54:57):
had a local band called the Timeless Band. They're from Providence,
Rhode Island, and all the kids are or nineteen years
old and they play hits from the fifties to the
eighties and they play um great. I forget the spot
in Providence, but it's like the row of all the
Italian restaurants, so during the summer they play out there

(55:18):
and it's just the cutest thing ever. And when we
were first starting to a wedding plan last September, we
were at a restaurant and they were playing and we're
with our wedding planner and he was like, Jared, go
dance with Ashley. So in Jared's head, Jared was like,
the only song I'll get up to was Earth Angel,
but he didn't say it that out loud to anyone,
not even Troy, and I'm not even kidding you. Twenty

(55:41):
seconds later, they started to play earth Angel, which I
had never even heard before, and he was like, well,
that's the song. So we had to have them perform.
I just want to show how like every little moment
was like so personalized and just described Jared and my
story unbelievably, so we had them play. Unfortunately, like most
bride and grooms don't get to really experience the cocktail hour,

(56:02):
so we didn't even get to see them play, but
everybody thought they were the cutest fit for the venue. Ben,
did you get to see them play the Timeless Band?
I definitely did? You very great. I actually I went
up to him and I said, you're like I did
in the Tailor Paste band and one of the best
wedding bands I've ever heard. That's so awesome. Thank you. Yeah,

(56:24):
they were awesome. Um. So then for our first dance
for um the mother daughter, the Mother Son Dance, the
Dad and Daughter Dance, and um, just like the introduction
of the bridal party, we had David Cook perform, who
was my favorite American idol? Did I mention this last week?
So that was like really freaking cool. It was wacky,

(56:46):
but he was my favorite American idol, one of my
favorite musicians and one of like the only musicians that
I've really converted Jared to like loving as well. And
we just when the idea popped in our head to
possibly ask him to perform read our wedding, we were like,
could you imagine the warmth of his voice filling that venue?
And then once it was in our head, we couldn't

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let it go. And we emailed his amazing tour manager
and he happened to be a Bachelor fan, so it
worked out well for us. And then but he wasn't free. Okay,
I'll tell you that. I'm not saying it worked out
well for us and it was free. It certainly wasn't.
And then after that we had the Oh my god,

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we're so wacky. We had strings play. We had a
quartet of strings. It was piano too, violins and um
uh cello, and they played some of our favorite romantic
movie scores during dinner, like during um, you know, salad

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and stuff, and then we did some speeches and then
after that we had the band come on. And the
band was a Jordan Cohen band and we hand selected
every They were amazing. They were like right, they're like
rated one of the top like wedding bands in the country.
And they played Beauty and the Beast. They played The

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Lion King, Titanic, Aladdin like again, more more movie scores
that we wanted to have vocals towards. It was really
really cool. And then m after the music, after that band,
we cut the cake and then we started more of
the party and my sister's boyfriend, Jack Ford. He he

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went up and he DJed for about forty five minutes
to like all the songs that were like party songs
that I definitely wanted to play. Yeah, it was the best. Okay,
So that was our reception. I'm telling you, it was
one of the most beautiful place I've ever been. I
took pictures and texted my family and friends and said,
look at this place. It's beyond what I even could

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have imagined. We had a great week with you, Ashley.
It was so fun, so rating you and Jared. It
was special to all everybody that was there is extremely
special to me. I realized in that moment, really standing
at your rehearsal dinner. Uh, I've always loved Jared. Um.
I think I'd take him for granted. I think I
have always just viewed him as one of those people

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that I know will always be there, that I can
always trust. He's a good friend, a great friend, a
great human. Um. And then for you, I felt in
that moment, this just deep appreciation for who you are,
who you've been to. So many people that sit up
that night, uh and said so many great things about
you that were real and powerful, and how you've lay

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next to your friends and they're sick, and you lay
next to your friends through breakups and you're the friend
that they all call it they're hurting, And and I
felt in that moment just a really deep appreciation for
both of you because you're both Um, I don't want
to say great people. I think that I think that
diminishes a little bit of what I'm trying to get
to is that, Uh, this celebration of you, guys was
well deserved. It was an honor to be there. Um,

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the two of you as a couple is in the
best sense, a power couple. And UM, it was a
beautiful wedding. And I'm just I hope Ashley, and I
hope that you told you this. I woke up the
morning after the wedding and Jessica and I were talking
and we just both hope that you felt as celebrated

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as all of us felt for you. Um were you
and jess being there? It was so sweet and I
love seeing you two together. You were freaking adorable. My
mom still is talking about the chemistry that you guys
have and how adorable you are together. Um, she's your
perfect fit. She really, you guys make so much sense

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and she fits in with a friend group and it's
really really nice to see that. And the speech that
you gave it the rehearsal dinner was you know, blew
us away. Everybody's speeches at the rehearsal dinner. I told
my wedding planner, I was like, good luck tomorrow because
I don't know how the rehearsal dinner could be beat.
Ten speeches from you know, half of each vital party

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and it was just like wow, I was sopping, but
it was great and I'm so glad we did the
rehearsal dinner the way we did, and thank you for
being there and thank you for all the kind words
that you said to so it was just it was
the most heartwarming thing. And that's total understatement. There isn't
really words. I've got an idea for everybody. Um, if
you have any other questions about Ashley and Jared's wedding reception,

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rehearsal anything, Honestly, I know this has been a hot topic.
Email usaid actually I heard media dot com. We'll read
through those emails and if we have enough emails, we'll
do a special episode where Ashley can just answer some
of your questions about the process. But until then, we're
gonna move on from her wedding because we have more
Paradise to talk about in the upcoming weeks. Ashley, it's

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great to have you back. It's amazing to be able
to sit with you and just discuss life again. Let's
keep this thing rolling, uh, for another couple episodes of Paradise, Ashley,
I've Been Been, I've Been Ashley. We'll talk to you everybody.
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