Women Tell All with Kirpa, Jane, Heather, Bri, Tracy & Nick Viall

We’re live after Women Tell All, and we have Colton’s girls with us to spill all the tea. Kirpa has a MAJOR bomb to drop about one of the girls sliding into the DMs of a popular member of Bachelor Nation… while she was still on the show.   And we reveal who he is.

Tracy stops by to give her side of the tweet controversy that went down before this season started filming and we find out if her feud with Demi will continue into Paradise.

Plus, Ben gives Heather an honest critique of her first kiss on television, and we ask all the girls who they think the next Bachelorette should be. Then we get a true expert opinion from Nick Viall, after we hear about his “secret talent”. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from Planet Blue in Malibu, California. This is the
Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast with i R Radio.
The season is ending in dramatic fashion. Tonight's episode of
Almost Famous Podcast will maybe be the same way. Welcome
back with a special episode after Women Tell All, we

(00:22):
have an episode that we're bringing on some of this
season's favorite contestants, and our first guest is definitely one
of this season's favorite contestants. We have Kerpa in studio
or in the shop right now. You guys, we may
have a better Tell All than the actual Women tell

(00:45):
based on this gossip that Kerpa is about to give. Y'all,
Holy moly, go for it, so you'll Yeah, you saw
it on The Women Till All. I mentioned that Kaylin
slid into a cast member's d M before she was
on the show, So that was Dean sid Dean Damns.

(01:05):
Do you here's a question. Do we have a problem
with that? I don't have a problem honestly. I think
what turned me off was how far along we were
in the process, and that's when she was bringing it up.
She brought it up there. Yeah, that's how we all knew. Wait,
slow down, Okay, So remember this is just people listening. Okay,

(01:28):
they only have one way to pick up on this stuff.
So you're telling me in the house or in the
mansion or wherever, beautiful location. Yes, in the car along
in the process. Was all this said on a mode
of transportation? No, this was we were in a hotel
on camera, off eating. Always she knows when to talk.

(01:49):
It's always when there's no mic on her, and she
says team at one point, I slid into somebody's how
did how did this conversation get to say? I don't
even know how it started, but we were I don't know.
She just brought up that she had tried damning him,
and I think they were supposed to meet and he
never like he know, he doesn't fall him. Okay, I'm

(02:14):
planning something with him on Friday, and it's like a
big to do. It's actually Jadeen Tayner's gender reveal, and
like every day I'm like, are you gonna back out?
Are you gonna back out? Um? I I think this
is wild news only for one reason. I wonder how
often this happens? Right? I mean, Kurpa, you're beautiful. The

(02:35):
show loves you, like you're coming off of this on
a higher You're gonna get so many d m you're
never gonna know. No, you know, you're never gonna be
able to keep up with it. And so the fact
that one Dean saw the d M is impressive. Second
that she sent the d M, you know what, she
was interested. Dean's a good looking guy. Women like him, like,
not that bigdeo. But the fact that she brings it

(02:56):
up half we do season, she's still thinking about it. Yeah,
that's that's why, Like it was such a big deal
and Katie brought it up. I brought it up like
to Colton, And that's that's what turned me off. It's
not the fact that she slid into the d m
s and like, I'm sure other people have done that too,
but it's like talking about it that far along when
we're supposed to be like in this for Colton dating Colton,

(03:17):
It's like, are we bringing that up? Yeah? Uh? Did
she slide into his d M s during casting or
before she was even in the casting process. I think
that makes a difference. So she's just a fan girl.
I can't say that I wouldn't slide into that. I
don't know, but I think it was probably just a
few months before. I worry about this now though, I

(03:40):
guess I don't now. But when I was single and uh,
we were in Vegas when I was single, and I
was like, I really want to meet a girl? How
do I do it? And I was like, I'm not
against the girl from the franchise, but also like how
I didn't know how to approach anybody. And it was
actually Nick, who's here tonight as well, and he goes
just slide in the d MS like cinema message, shoot

(04:02):
your shot. This is where shooting your shot backfires fast.
You can't just throw this. You can't throw the messages around.
Because what if I were to reach out to somebody
when I was single, Yeah, I send you a d M? Right,
I'm seeing like Kurpa like what do you have to
Let's hang out? And you say, yeah, we hang out
a couple of times. And then what happens if paradise
comes along? You go on Paradise and I'm freaked down.

(04:24):
I go, oh, but Kirp and I talked a couple
of times. It's gonna bring off this idea that you're
just chasing after Bachelor Nation. Yeah, that's true. It doesn't
work out well, right, we gotta be careful out there,
be careful. The d M s this is a and
it's like putting me into a deep side little thought
here what is wrong and what is not wrong when
it comes to the pusler. Well, let's get back to

(04:45):
the women's tell all, because I thought this was one
of the most unorganized but also one of the most
entertaining tell alls that I've ever watched my own. I
so just to kind of catch up a little bit. Uh,
last week, we watched Cold and Jump a Fence. UM,
one of the wildest things in Bachelor history. Kurpa, I
want to get your opinion on that in a second.
But the women tell all then happens, and right away

(05:09):
the women are after each other. And I was on
a show yesterday, UM with a few people, and this
is a statement that's made and I want to hear
if you both agree. Let's not take anything away from
Colton in this statement, but they're saying that the women
this season definitely made the season. And I wonder if
after this tell all, if that was proven true or

(05:29):
not based on how it happened. You guys ran wild,
it was, but it was crazy. Yeah, it was really
crazy in the press room to listen to you, like
to everybody. I was like, I can't hear a thing.
And Chris stopped it a couple of times, saying like,
you girls, you're not gonna be heard if you just
keep talking over each other. And it got to the
point where even after he said that, it's kept going. Yeah, exactly,

(05:49):
So there was some there're some arguments that really never
wrapped up. Watching it back, you're like, Okay, well, I
guess we're just gonna drop it because they're never going
to come to a conclusion. Um. I think the big
one ends for the night was on Jeka versus Nicole,
And what was weird about on k versus Nicole was
that Nicole got a hot seat and Nicole was only

(06:11):
really a part of one episode. I agree it is.
It is odd how the hot seats happened this year. Kurba,
what is your take? Why are the women so fiery
with each other right now? Like what's being held in?
I really don't. I wasn't expecting it to get that heated.
Was it like that when you had But Okay, my
theory is back when I had a women Tell All,

(06:34):
it was going into the second season of Paradise. Paradise
was something that like you wanted to be asked to do,
but it wasn't like a game changer, like not change
your life because the first season was hit enough for
them to do it again, but like nobody became a
star from it. Um So I think that now so
many girls look at Women tell All as their audition

(06:55):
for Paradise. They want to get a word in. So
many random girls like who left Night one like that
one girl served with a j She was James here,
you're gonna ask her. He was defending. I was tearing down.
It was like, um, sorry, we'll ask Jane that same question.

(07:20):
What was the passion behind it? Kerpa, what are your
thoughts now after you've gone from the episodes watching this
whole thing play out, What's going through your mind? And
are you who are you feeling the most emotion for
during the last few episodes? Um? Well, after watching Colton
jumped the fence, I'm feeling for him because he's clearly

(07:42):
going through a lot and I tried to warn him
and Jerry went back and watched your episode today because
he was like I'm going to prove like I'm going
to go back and watch the fact that like Kerpa
and Tasha and warned him against what happening to him
in this moment. Yeah, we tried based on what though.

(08:03):
I mean, That's the thing is during the episodes, we
never got that you just warned him. Which is the
right thing to do or the wrong thing? We don't know.
But why did you feel like it was so clear
that whoever was still there weren't there for the right reasons.
It was just after Katie had told us that she
had heard those things in Singapore about casting Kylin talking
about Bachelorette and like the d M thing and endorsement

(08:27):
deals after and later all that kind of stuff. So
when he when Colton came to me ar Taesia and
asked like, Hey, what do you guys think about this?
I had no problem like saying, you know, what, if
I were you, Like, I know, I you know your
relationships better than I do, But if I were in
your shoes, maybe just inspect these relationships a little bit harder,

(08:48):
like ask the deeper questions of casting and Kaylin just
in case. So at that point you seem kind of like,
can I be honest? I seem like you're like lukewarm
about your relationship with Colton. I moved really slowly, and
I it's hard for me to jump all in, So
I was really trying to like feel him out because
I mean, at the end of this it's an engagement

(09:08):
and I've been engaged and I don't want to have
to like to do that again and have it end horribly.
So I was really trying to feel him out. So
I knew it came off like I didn't care, but
I was just trying to like get more out of
him and see if there was that connection. Well, I
felt you in that moment. I was like, this girl
is speaking the truth and he's just deciding not to

(09:31):
see it. This is one of my favorite episodes of
the Almost Famous podcast because it is our own little tell.
We don't have like an episode to break down. It's
just it's just so fun cause we get you in
here and we go, Kurt, but what really happened? And
you're telling us. So there's two questions we're gonna ask
every single person from your season that sits down here.
One is do you wish it would have worked with
you in Colton? I don't think we were right for

(09:51):
each other. Yeah, I think he's a great guy. He
has like things that I'm looking for in a partner,
but I don't think we were the right match. Question two,
Can I get outside of yourself? Can I guess what
you're gonna say? You're gonna say, who do you want
to see him with? If anyone? No, but we'll add that, Yeah,
outside of yourself? Who do you want to see him

(10:12):
with with? If anyone? I love Tasha. I think she
would be a good fit for Colton. Tasia for Colton
is what Kurba says in my final question, outside of yourself?
Who should be the next batchlor At? I love Hannah
Ge Hannah Gee for next Bachelor? Can we talk about
Hannah be first? I like, I have like a massive

(10:32):
girl crush on her in the way that I get
giddy watching her, Like I get smiley watching her. See
this is where maybe you guys can help me with this.
People get that way with her. I didn't feel that
with her, but people get really excited about Hannah Be
my god, I love her so much, like you guys,
I'm not sure whether I want to be her or
be friends with her. She's amazing, She's just no bullsh

(10:54):
like she'll say whatever she wants and quirky. I love her.
She just like finds me of a better version of me.
Like she's just like me, You're the best version of
you you can ever. I don't know. I just like
I love watching her because I relate to her. But

(11:16):
I don't feel awkward watching her like I feel awkward
watching myself. What was the reason for that? I hate
Listen to my voicemail, Kerpa, Um, you are definitely one
of our favorites. I hope to see you in paradise.
We'll see, We'll see. Come do it. Yeah, you gotta
do it. Look what happens for these two? They're writing
books together now. And speaking of that, Uh, Lucy and

(11:38):
Clark by Ashley I Can, Eddie and Jared Havn is
out in bookstores now. Make sure you go to Lucy
and Clark book dot com dot com and order it today.
It's a good book. I've read it, Kerpa. Thanks for
coming on, Thanks for having me. This is gonna be
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(14:37):
Somebody is watching that thing seven from there or not,
it's gonna be awesome. So Tracy, we've got to dig
into this. Yeah, let's right in. We knew about you
before the season even started, So there's tweets that came
out and we have to talk about because we haven't
got to hear your side of the story, okay, And

(14:58):
I'm just gonna leave it up to you to explain
all that because before the season even happens. This is
one of the unfortunate things about the show is you're filming,
you can't protect yourself, you can't explain yourself, and so
these things just keep spurling around in the media and
we don't get to hear from you. So what was
going on and where? And I think I want to
ask you, did your mind change from those tweets that

(15:19):
time you went on the show. Um, I came out
already and publicly apologized for it. It was an extremely
long time ago. It was embarrassing. I said some things
that I definitely shouldn't have said. I wasn't thinking when
I said them. It's unfortunate that I ever would have
written that stuff and it came out and people saw it.

(15:41):
But all I can do is kind of own it
and apologize. I think it's the best thing to do
because the funny part not the funny parts. I know
it was very personal to you, but a lot of
people from the show have had things they've said in
the passaitive came out while they're on the show, or
you know, when they're younger and they've they've had different,
you know, viewpoints. But the fact is five years ago,

(16:04):
six years ago, I wasn't a believer in the show.
I would have if I was a fan of The Bachelor,
I would have gone, this is funny. I like watching it,
but I'll never go on it. And then I go
on it and I go, oh no, this this is
this actually is something that could work, and this is
actually affects real lives and so your worldview or your
opinions change, which I think is completely fair. Yes, I

(16:24):
mean everyone I'm sure has said things that they didn't mean,
and unfortunately I had to have it publicly come out
and have people see that about me, and that's not
who I am. So again, all I could do was
apologize and hope that people see me for the new,
better person that I am today. Um, I hope so

(16:46):
every day we can do that. When the Jonas Brothers
reunited this week, my my friend was reading me tweets
from two thousand and eight, and um, this is going
to prove your point. Yeah, this is actually going to
be amazing. Actley has been a fan of the Jonas
Brothers for years and now they actually know who actually is.
They've no, no, I've went for a bit. Oh what

(17:11):
Oh please explain They've known who I've been for a bit.
Oh okay, sorry, I'm like, it's just like a nut anyway,
your defensive note the Jonas Brothers. Okay, this is something

(17:36):
that I said. It goes. I'm like a really good
fan pretty much a professional, loyal and supportive also good
qualities for a musicians girlfriend. Yes, and then I also said, hey, hey,
you you I don't like your girlfriend. I think you
need a new one. The official song of the summer
of two thousand eight and two thousand nine because Joe

(17:58):
was dating Taylor's Lift and Camilla Belle. And so what
do we take away from this? Don't tweet And to
the Jonas brothers have known Ashley for a wall time, Tracy,
thanks for joining us. Thanks for answer those questions. I
know it's not fun to talk about, but here's the deal.

(18:19):
We don't know you any differently than what we've known
from the show, and you're sitting here today and we're
just thankful that you're here talking to us. Thank you
for having me. Um, there's so much I want to
break down with you, and there's so much ash she
wants to break down with you. But we've got to start.
You were involved in a little drama this season. It
was involved in a little bit. How did you get
into that? Um? I believe it's started with the fact

(18:40):
that I'm this ancient old woman in the house and
you take one of the much younger girls and she
was just poking at me and poking at me, and
I think I broke a lot quicker than I'd expected.
One of your other cougar pals wasn't at women tell all,

(19:00):
she was not a lease why not. Unfortunately, she was
in a wedding in Mexico and she could not be there. Yea.
I wish she was sad about that would be hurt.
I was very sad. I'm a little sensitive right now, Tracy.
I feel you right. Actually, I want to know if
you we haven't talked about this yet ever in our friendship.
I'm turning thirty at the end of this month, and

(19:20):
I'm excited about it. I'm good should I was really
excited to turn Yeah, I feel good about it, Like
you know, there's some craziness to it, like where I
don't feel like a kid anymore. I don't feel like
I can just mess around anymore. I feel like there's
some responsibilities that I need to continue to consider. Um.
But it's a life step and I'm I'm I feel
like my twenties were good to me and I'm ready
to move on. But I awesome a little sensitive at

(19:41):
this at the fact when I was single, of what
turning thirty meant being single, and so I felt that,
you know, not that long ago and I know we
a lot of us have. So the fact I could
see myself being in a house trying my hardest to
find love on a crazy show, because hey, the world's
not working for me, so let's try to do reality television.
I get that perspective. And there's somebody there who's beautiful, younger,

(20:04):
and has so many years ahead of her. She doesn't
feel or he doesn't feel the pressure of time on
his shoulders like we do, and they poke at you
and poke at you at a very I would break.
I know I would. I would not handle that well.
I would honestly probably get become a shell of myself,
which isn't fair to you. Is that how you felt?
Or am I just speaking for you know? I don't
think it was fair. Actually, I wanted a fair shot at,

(20:27):
you know, meeting Colton and talking to him and having
my experiences with him when everyone got the chance to
sit down, and every single time I sat down, I
was interrupted by some joking situation like a bathrobe or
you don't see stuff happened in the pool one day.
Just it was constant. So yeah, it was a little

(20:49):
unfortunate that I didn't get what I thought was a
fair shot always to speak to him. Yeah, did you
hope it was Colton? Then? I mean, you know he is.
He is a little younger. I don't mind dating younger guys. Okay,
So when you were signing up for the show going
to the casting, we often don't know who the batchelor's
going to be. Actually didn't think it was going to

(21:10):
be Colton. I didn't sign my contract until I knew
it was gonna That's when actually, I know you want me,
so I'm not going on this it's this guy, And
I said, Okay, Chris is the batchel we've got to have. Actually,
they called me and they're like, are you going to
send in your contract? And I was like, I'm gonna
wait till the bachelor's announced. I didn't want it to

(21:34):
be r. Oh, really, we've never talked. You didn't want
it to be R. Yeah. I didn't think that R
and I would ever work out. Chris and I certainly
wouldn't have worked out though, either. So did you want
it to be Colton? Um? I was fine with a
bean Colton once I found out. I just didn't expect
it to be him. So I hadn't considered it. What

(21:54):
do you think coming off now the show. Yeah, the
show is done. It's ending up for everybody, right, mean,
so everybody in this room that's been on the show,
Colton himself is moving on to a new chapter of
life completely. This was something you all tried. Yes, how
are your motions? How are you feeling? And after watching
it back and knowing you were involved in drama along
the way with Nicole and Demi, what are you thinking? Um?

(22:16):
I mean, I like to think I'm a little old
to be involved in this drama. So it sucks that
I am constantly brought back into it, but I mean
it is what it is. Uh, But I mean I
want to keep dating and find someone and potentially go
to Paradise. Thank you for my Leaden. So you know

(22:37):
that they're going to put you in Demi against each other.
I am absolutely sure that that will happen. So you
still don't like loved Demi? Huh? I don't really how
to pick up a problem with her at this point.
I mean, once we're back in that environment again, God
only knows that will happen. Seriously, your feud with her
seemed like nothing compared to her food with Courtney. Yea

(22:57):
and Courtney that got rough, was insane, actually handle herself.
She's not here right, I think she's away in Atlanta,
so you did not handle herself very well. And that
a pacifier like literally getting up into somebody's girl like that,
like to get literally somebody's grill. I thought she was
actually gonna punch her. I was sitting directly behind Corney

(23:19):
and I saw her, like slow motion get up and
I'm like, oh my god, what is she doing. And
she starts to approach her faster and faster, and I
think we probably all thought she was going to punch
her in the face. It was the craziest thing I've
ever seen. I thought I was un in for a
very different show. Was not good. It was not good.
She really did get in her face, shove a pass

(23:39):
for I would not have taken that well, showed a
pacifier in her mouth. I thought. I thought that was
one of the weirdest things that's happened. Um shish, little baby.
She was like trying to make a point that, like
Demi was a baby when one through the same age
that she wanted to make clear that Demi was the
more immature one in the situation, goes ahead, rows a
passify her in her mouth area, and she thinks that

(24:02):
that's proving she's more mature. Interesting stuff. Guys, Demi still
has this way though, to close that up with saying
all this stuff really being that pest that we've talked about,
being the lovable pest and still like walking away from
these situations like pretty unscathed. Like she just sit there
and took it through her jabs, walked up on stage
and did her thing and walked off smiling and everybody

(24:24):
clapped her. Demmy, it's like a scrappy box. Yes. Everyone.
Everyone loves her. And I love her now too because
I met her, you know, and we did interviews after
Womens at All and I was like, your bundle of
energy and joy, Like she's so fun. I loved her.
She's a great time. I mean, that's de me for you, Tracy.
We hope to see you in Paradise. I think we will.

(24:45):
I think we will. Um. I hope you prepare yourself
mentally for all this stuff that's gonna be coming up
in Paradise for you, that I can prepare myself a
little better this time around and maybe like push back
a little at time. We have three questions. We asked everybody,
Uh tonight. Yeah, First one is do you wish it
would have worked out with Colton? I wish it would

(25:09):
have just worked out with someone that I had a
connection with, Colton or anyone but Colton specifically. Do you
think it would have worked out? I think we had
a lot in common and he's someone that would have
been a really great friend for me. But no, we
probably weren't great for each other too. Who do do
you see Colton being most compatible with or is there

(25:30):
anyone he really would be in this group? Um? I
think he's probably the most compatible with Cassie. That's the
first that's the first vote for Cassie in the second
vote of the night. But why do you say that? Why? Um?
Because we saw it because of what we like. Um.

(25:52):
I mean he's distraught and heartbroken over her, and you
don't get that kind of emotion out of someone who
only has lukewarm feelings for someone. He is you can
tell he's very much in love with her and really
really wants it to work. So it's Cassie or nobody.
And finally, who should be the next bachelor at other
than yourself? I think I'd make a great bachelor a personally. Um,

(26:16):
I think that Klin would make a beautiful bachelor at
actually so we had the first vote for Klin. Hey, Jcy,
thank you so much. Carry yourself with poise, go on paradise,
do something cool that we can talk about. I have
a lot of fun, find yourself love all right, thank you?
Thanks alrighty, all this stuff is making me feel just exhausted, drained.

(26:42):
I'm gonna need something to power my body up, and
I think it might be ritual. We want our bodies
to just stay healthy in the long run. You know,
we're trying to eat salad all the time, drink green smoothies.
But a lot of times, no matter how much we
we're likely not getting all the essential nutrients that we

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store Joe comes to Mind, Dance with the Stars, hosting

(28:28):
Dance with the Stars on tour and going on Paradise
and finding love. We have a Night one Exeter on
the podcast right now. Jane, Welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
I am totally team Joe. By the way, he's like
an angel in human form. How do you know? Well,
I mean I've watched and I feel like I have
a pretty good like perspective as like the audience does.

(28:50):
So like, I mean, who doesn't love Joe, right, He's
like he's the most one of the most lovable guys
on TV. In my opinion, he's kind of like your
I mean, I would imagine is he your role model?
Kind of because I look at him and I'm like, Okay,
he didn't make it far. He should have, right, but like,
now look at him. He was like on Dancing with
the Stars, like people still got to see his personality,

(29:12):
like he's sweet, he's funny. So like I look at
him and I'm like, okay, whatever, you don't have to
make it far. If you have a presence, you know
the audience will recognize it. Anyways, let's be really honest here.
There's one person for every every season of Paradise that
was eliminated night one, one lucky person gets that chance

(29:35):
again and right, and I think it's between you maybe
now after this woman tell all and floff girl, it's
gonna be a battle. I mean, gosh, I love her
so much, like me and her super similar because they're
both outgoing and like funny. I mean, if you look
at the women tell all, I do feel like I

(29:55):
had a little bit more of like more of opinions
to say. Um, but if it does come down to
me and her made the best woman win both of us,
where I high five the slaty What is it like?
I mean, we haven't talked to a Night one Exeter
since Joe, but Joe's was a little different because all

(30:17):
of a sudden he blew up on the Twitter sphere.
What is it like to prepare for the show, go
on the show, and then leave Night one? Like? What
is that? Honestly? What are those feelings like? I mean,
you know, getting ready for it, Like, at least in
my experience, like I walked in there and I was
like I felt confident. I like, I'm pretty like open

(30:38):
and I'm not really shy, so for me, like I
didn't really have like too many barriers. So when you
go home night one after feeling confident, it's kind of
like a pretty big downer. Like I was almost like
I kind of self doubted myself for a little while.
But I'm back, I'm alive, I'm here, I'm ready prepared eyes.
And I'm just kidding, how did that conversation with go?

(31:01):
You know, our conversation went so well it didn't even air,
like people didn't even get to like see it on TV.
But like, our convo went so good. We were laughing,
like there were no awkward pauses, There was no like
twirling of the hair, like what do I say next?
Like the conversation was really flowing. So I think that
was like a really big surprise, like when I got

(31:21):
sent home because our one on one went pretty good.
What's it then like watching the whole season back, knowing
you were at the mansion on night one, and now
you see these women who you probably didn't know well
but you ran into on that night, you know, pursuing
this Colton guy and now falling in love, and you
watch this whole thing now as a fan. Yeah, I

(31:42):
feel like my perspective as well as like, I think
there was one other girl and the women tell all
who went home night one, So I feel like our
perspective really resides with the audience because we watched it
all on TV um and I don't know some of
the girls. I was just like, Oh, they're just sitting
there to that really taking much action, Like I don't
really see their personality. So for some of them, I

(32:04):
was a little surprised, um, but definitely looking back at
night one, Um, maybe I should have taken more action.
You know at a second, Jane, you acted as if
you were friends with Kaylin. You don't know Klin. Well,
see again, my perspective comes from watching the whole season,
like just like the audience, and I don't know she

(32:25):
held herself with class and dignity. You know, I didn't
see her going to Colton talking like deep behind other
girls as backs. But they were all attacking here. But
you were refuting stuff that you don't actually know happened
or did not happen. Well, I stated in Women to All,
I'm like watching it from television. I think she held
herself with dignity. And I think a lot of girls

(32:47):
are jealous, and I think a lot of girls are insecure.
Um and yeah, I think they were all just snaking
up on her, and like I honestly felt bad, like
I have her back. Like just from my perspective, it
is a it is an interesting moment when when somebody
to go home sits there and at the tell all right,
because you do sit there as a fan like everybody else,
you had a unique fans perspective, and then you choose

(33:10):
to speak up, which I think for everybody watching goes wow,
that doesn't happen very often. What was going through your
mind in that second and that moment to go, I
need to say something now and this is my this
is my time to say It was this before after
the tequila shot. No, I'm not kidding actually, and that
was like my little trap. Um. I was like, whatever,
I have an opinion. I'm not scared to state it. Um.

(33:31):
I never bash anyone, but like, I'm going to be honest,
and I am team Kalin. I think she's classy, I
think she has dignity, and like when all of them
attack her, like I'm gonna step forward. I don't blame
me for that. I mean, hey, this is your moment,
take it or leave it, and I hope you have
another moment. In Paradise. We're asking every single person that

(33:51):
sits down the night these three questions. Jane, do you
wish it would have worked out with Colton? Why? I'm
so sorry. You know, He's just not my cup of tea,
Like I prefer strong coffee. Actually no, no, no, let
me rephrase that. I prefer like, I know the man

(34:13):
that I marry is going to be the kind of
man where when a girl walks up to him for
the fourth time asking if she can interrupt, my man
is gonna be like this babe is crazy. No, you
cannot interrupt for the fourth time. That's the kind of
backbone I want in a man. So we don't want coffee,

(34:35):
That's what I'm saying. Like, let's you know that, Let's
make it an espresh of shot, you know, like ay
question the second question, who remaining do you want to
see Colton with? If any? I mean, gosh, I keep
saying team Calin. I do like Halin, I do like Tasia.
I feel like they were the most like easy going

(34:56):
with him. Um, it just seemed the most natural to
and finally, outside of yourself, who should be the next
batchelor at dun Dundune? I mean obviously no, I'm just kidding.
I'm so kidding. I definitely don't think it should be me.
I do think it would come down to shocker. Kay.
Who are you guys all surprised? Thank you, thank you

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It's worth it. I'm telling you, hey, one of my
favorites in this season. We've held no secrets about it.
I think this girl's great. I have no clue why
she went home. I don't know what. Week three we

(37:11):
have Brie on the podcast in person this time, welcome back,
finally meet you guys. Thank you, Brie. Um. You talk
to us a couple like a month ago, I want
to say, and you're like, I wish I had more airtime.
I feel like people needed to get to know me better.
But then you still didn't say anything during women. I'm
that I really I texted in the day, I said,

(37:32):
what is going on? I'm pulling forward. She's one of
my favorites, and I watched tell all and you're not there.
You're literally wrikingly beautiful, like you're like, thank goodbye, like
that was on crack like above. Um, I wanted to
say more, Honestly, I just I don't know. I wasn't
there for the drama. I left so early, So honestly

(37:53):
I didn't know about what was going on in the house,
and I just I didn't feel like I needed to
like add to anything that was going on with Nicole
or with Demi or whatever. I didn't. I didn't have
anything to say. I'm more of, like, you know, sweet
and soft with my words. I don't want to hurt
anyone's feeling. So I kind of just sat there and
waited until I was called on. And because our last guest,

(38:14):
Jane who night one, was like she I just had
to say something, had such a voice. I was really surprised,
very surprised. But I don't know. Yeah, Brie, I'm more
team year thought process on this, because I don't I
think like, if you weren't there, you can't like act
as if you really know facts, Like you have an

(38:34):
opinion based on what we all saw, but you don't
know I'm basically just a viewer like anybody else, just
commenting on what's happened on the show because I'm seeing
it all just from TV. I didn't have anything to say.
I didn't need to add anything and make less of
anybody there, So I didn't need to add to that.
What do you think, Ben, I mean, I'm with Brie

(38:55):
in this. I mean, I just think, you know, there's
a unique situation. Yes, at your moment, and you've been
on the show, and yes, you're sitting up there and
it's exciting, and you have you can talk whenever you want,
So I get that. You know, you if you went
home at night one, it's probably exciting for you. But
I remember during Caitlin season The Bachelotte, there's a guy
that had went home early on and was kind of
criticizing Caitlin, and I was very angry. I took it

(39:16):
very personally because I was like, you just haven't been
there to get to know her. You have no right
to speak, and so I don't think. I don't know
if it's harsh or not. I don't think if you
weren't around during the tell, you don't have a right
to talk like you you don't know the insides of
the story. You know, it's like you can't don't go
here like you don't you can't talk about Colton like
six weeks down when you weren't there for the six

(39:38):
weeks and seeing him cry and cry with him breathe. Yes,
I still don't get it. So, I mean, because here's
what I'm saying. He's looking at your face, but he
has a girlfriend, so yeah, but I'm looking at you
and I have a girl crush on you. So this
is what surprising to me, honestly is you. You throw
off more bachelorette vibes than any buddy else that I

(40:00):
can think of in the season right now, you think,
I mean the soft spoken. I want to be kind,
I want to be considerate. I don't want to speak
outside my turn. I want to make sure that I'm
listening to everybody that's bachelortte material. Why isn't the conversation happening? Well,
I mean there wasn't enough to go off of. Frustrating

(40:21):
no one knows about me. I mean, there wouldn't be
a much interest. I don't think compared to other girls
that you would know that make it farther into this season.
I mean, I think there's going to be some interest
after Paradise. Well you were interested in Dean, you said,
Ben and Dean. But Ben is a taken man now.
So we heard that Kaylin sleeped In sleeped In slipped

(40:43):
in to Dean's d MS before the season. I didn't
going back. Who's going to get Dean? I didn't know
that actually, Um, but Kayl and I were friends outside
of the show. We talked, We're hanging out tomorrow and I, um, yeah,
So I mean it's up for grabs, you know. Will
you ask Caitlin tomorrow night for us? Who's gonna get Dean?

(41:06):
You or her? You guys over the place? Here can
we do? And we've done these a zillion times, we
proposed this idea of a zillion times. But let's make
Dean the almost famous bachelor and we'll have you guys
all in the in the running. I actually just texted
Dean while we're here and I said, all these girls
want you. It's so nuts. Why isn't he here tonight?

(41:27):
He is just getting back. He just got back yesterday
from Japan. Yeah, Dean, Dean has that way about with
with the ladies. Good for Dean, Um, I don't know
if he's interested in anybody right now. I think he's
traveling the world and having a blast doing it. Um
So Caitlin slides in the d MS. We talked abut
a little bit ago. She's your friends, so you're never
back here. We can't get we can't figure out is

(41:48):
it okay to slide into a bachelor or bachelor at
Contestants d m s and then go on the show.
So you slide in before the show and then you
go on to the show. Is that Is that an issue?
I don't know is this public knowledge? Like, how do
you guys know that? Because Kerpa, you were there, you
weren't listening. Ka didn't name names in. Um, yeah, I

(42:13):
didn't know. But um, to be honest, I mean about
a year or two ago, I was in. Was his
name Chase? Yeah, I reached in, you know, That's what
I said. I would have done it as a fan
girl before Calf. Yeah, I've been watching the show. I
thought it was cute. I actually saw him at Horror
and it's a couple of years ago and I was like, yeah,
I'm just gonna stay what's up? And it didn't go anywhere.
I don't. I don't think it's did he respond, Yeah,

(42:37):
I was gonna say it didn't go anywhere. Okay, Yeah,
well that'd been juicy. I would like that anyways. Um,
I don't think it's wrong. I really don't. I mean
I think before you know you're going on the show,
you see somebody your attract to, you're interested in, uh,
and you say hi, what's up? And you see where
it takes you. I mean, I slid in the d
M S. I'm getting I got better at it. Look
what it brought me. You can't hold yourself back. It's

(42:59):
just the way of the road these days, you know.
It's it's how we meet people. You know. Where is
life going to take you? I mean we I follow
on Instagram. Now you're modeling, You're you're traveling. Now, this
was happening way before the show started. What is life
going to look like for you in this Paradise A
part of it? I hope. So I would love a
chance to be on Paradise. Um kind of just doing

(43:19):
the same thing I was doing before the show hasn't
changed too much. Um. So yeah, I'm hoping for a
second chance in Paradise. We'll see where that goes as
a model. Does it hurt your career or help it
to be on the show? Because I know that Courtney Robertson,
who of course got a villain edit and made it
to the final rows, she said it hurt her career,

(43:40):
but with you, you went out a little bit more discreetly, right,
does it appens? So? I think because I didn't make
it as far on the show, it didn't affect me
in a negative way. I think it could. I know
that that happens to a lot of girls that go
on UM America's Next Top Model and things. I have
friends that have done that and it only hurt their career.
So I mean that was definitely a risk that I

(44:01):
was taking by going on this show, and I don't
Luckily it didn't do that. UM kind of just it's
been the same now before we close up, we've been
asking everybody the three questions, and I think are fun asked.
But I want to ask you. Were you excited about
it being Colton? Um? I was excited to get to
know him. I didn't really know who was going to be.

(44:22):
I was just really interested in whoever would show up
because I felt like, UM, the bachelor always past a
well rounded guy and that's hard to meet in l A.
And so I figured whoever it would be, he would
be a great guy. And he was. I hear that
a lot, that it's hard to date in l A.
Do you guys agree it is? Yeah, it's hard to
date in l A, very hard. I've been single for

(44:44):
three years, so that's ridiculous. I think that that is
a travesty. I'm texting Bean after this. I'm saying, Dean,
I don't know what you're thinking, buddy, but you're an idiot.
If you don't try this, you're not going to be
the better one. Actually not going after that. We're gonna
set up now we have our Dean is the almost

(45:05):
famous bachelor and Brie is the almost famous bachelor. At
let's do it. If I could buy and I'm gonna say,
if I could buy Stock and Brie right now on.
I think these next couple of months she's going to
become a fan favorite and she is gonna rock Paradise.
Do you agree? Yeah? I think that you're alone. You
don't cost very much to buy in now, but the

(45:27):
people are going to be millionaires. Um predicting it now, Bree.
Three questions Okay, so the second question you got that one,
and now the second question is who remaining do you
see Colton ending up with? And none of them is
an answer. None of them is an answer if you'd
like it to be. I'm really curious to see what happens. Um,

(45:49):
I don't know where like this goes after Cassie. He
obviously seemed very into her and she left. Um, so
I don't I don't know what will happen next. Maybe
no one the so we have Jade Tanner's a little
little baby cry, Emmy's flipping in the background. It's late.
I get it. Um all right, Briee. Outside of yourself,

(46:09):
who should be the next bachelorette? I don't know if
I could handle the bachelorette, to be honest, I don't
know if I want that for myself. Um. I think
Tassia would be a great bachelorette. She was previously married
and in the house, she was an amazing woman and
friend everyone, So I think that she would really hold
herself well. And um, yeah, I think she's in for
the right reason. That's nice to hear. That is really

(46:31):
nice to hear. I like Tasha. I think Tassha Tasha
just seemed to get, uh the raw end of the
deal here At the end, the perfect storm happened and
Tassia got pushed out. Why Colton was trying to shouldn't
I s push in? That's what she said. Everyone, Hey
Brie again, I know we'll talk to you after paradise.

(46:53):
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You're professional at this by now, aren't you? Oh? Such
a professional? Absolutely not, Heather on the podcast, Heather, you're
a fan favorite. We may be saving the best for last,
and then you're back and ready to go. I I

(48:38):
just gotta start. Um. I know that you guys have
sat together a couple of times. Right now, we haven't
never met. I thought you guys had met well, but
I'm just gonna dive in. I'm not saving any questions
for Ashley. How does this work? I have good friends
who are twenty four and they haven't had their first
kiss yet. Really yeah, good friends three that I can

(48:59):
name because it all came up and watching the show
Beautiful People, Beautiful women just hasn't happened. Um, I know
this is something you can talk about all the time.
How does this happen for you? Like, is this really?
You've never been kissed? It is real? I have never
I had never been kissed. No, it was real. Have
you kissed anyone since Colton? No? No, don't say like that. No,

(49:22):
I have just every single person I see, every guy
on the street. Yeah, yeah, restaurants. Yeah. After my first kiss,
I was dreading my second. I was like, I'm still
not ready to jump back into that. I was scared
of Colson. I was like I did the first thing.
I was like, I can't. I can't do it anymore.
It's too scary what your first Okay, thanks to feel

(49:49):
a little bit better. So leading up to the Bachelor,
there was your expectation to have your first kiss on
the show, like in life, like before the or like
once I was on the bat Okay, Um, I mean
I wasn't positive I could have got I was like,
maybe I'll go home night one second week. So I
didn't know, but I thought, I mean, if I got

(50:10):
far enough, then obviously that was kind of going to happen.
I can't think of a better way to have your
first kiss. I thought it was fantastic been on the show.
I would oh if I had, If I hadn't been kissed,
I would have been waiting. I would have saved myself
at that moment, because you sure knew it that there
was gonna be fireworks, blasts in the background, a lot
of like just intense girl. But here's what I gotta

(50:32):
tell you. You did great. I watched that back so
replay like you had. You had great friction. I thought
your mouth's aligned just perfectly. You moved at the perfect rate,
and there's a rhythm to it. I thought, for your
first kiss, how did you learn or how did you
prepare for that moment? I didn't prepare. I mean I

(50:53):
was terrified the shower wall. I did the shower wall,
and I did my arm. I mean not too much,
but enough enough, like enough to at least feel how
it feels. Yeah, I didn't prepare at all of the
When I got the date card, I literally Hannah by
she wasn't really one of my really close friends. They
look at her and I'm like, help me. Yeah. I

(51:15):
was like, like I was terrified because I was like,
on the one on one either I'm gonna go home
or I'm gonna kiss him, like it was one of
the two. It wasn't really you know, it was gonna happen.
So I was just like, like, I was panicked. So
the entire day I was just like, Oh my gosh,
how did she help you? Did she give you some
good advice? What did she say? She just gave you
some advice. I can't even remember now. I kind of
blocked it all out, but yeah, she's just like, hey,

(51:36):
just she just kind of pet me up a little bit.
But I thought that was one of the most underrated
moments that we didn't talk about in this season is
the fact that Heather in the clutch with pressure on her,
fireworks in the background, pulled through and just has an
amazing makeout session with Cold. You were so good, it
looked so natural. I would have never thought your hand
placement was great. Thank you so much. The only hard

(51:58):
part which we talked about was the lead up to it.
Colton did a terrible job but not making that moment
really awkward, Like there was a lot of like wanted
it to be awkward. No, I don't think he did.
I don't think he knew how to move. Maybe he
just didn't realize how awkward it was. But for the viewer,
I had to cover up my eyes during it because
he had like one arm around you. There was like
talking and then like looking off at the distance and

(52:19):
then talking. You're like, just kiss her, just kiss her,
make it happen, and he did it, and then finally
it happened, and it's like this relief, but for a
long time it was like one of those awkward moments
on the show that's really hard to watch. Yeah, I know,
I was terrified. I honestly, I don't know why. I
didn't think like there was fireworks. I just didn't know
for sure. And I was like the whole like that
whole entire, like last ten minutes, I kind of like

(52:41):
blacked out. I really wasn't sure what was going on.
But I was like, what's going to happen? We're standing here,
and it was like a long time that was like
something's about to happen. So I was just like I
don't know I do not know how sad would have
benef it didn't happen. Oh if I was like, oh
this is special to wait until wasted for her because

(53:02):
I know she's not the one. Yeah, he could have.
I mean that's what I wasn't like at the dinner.
He could have said like sorry, like I don't I
don't think you're my wife and I don't want to
waste that. So I wasn't sure. You said that there
was some weird eight months relationship that you were in
and you didn't kiss the guy. I said. I think
on the podcast that this must have been just like

(53:22):
the producers saying, do you like, there must have been
some guy, so tell him a story about some close
to be relationship and you were like okay. So I
went on a couple of days with this guy. It
went over the span of eight months. I've had those
weird I like been on dates with guys and I
didn't kiss them until like date five because it was
so dragged out and separated. Was that what it was like? So?

(53:43):
I dated a guy after college and he was super
intentional with dating and he had gotten out of a
really intense relationship and where he was it was super
intense relationships. So I he was really interested in pursued
me and asked me on dates, and I just really
wasn't sure, Like I just wasn't You just didn't like him,
You were not sure because I, like, I wanted to

(54:06):
like him so badly, good on paper, had everything I wanted,
and I wanted to like him so badly. So I
kept going on dates with him for eight months for
a long time. But he knew my situation, so he
knew you had ever been kissed. Yeah, we were friends
before and then, but he wasn't such a serious relations
relationship before that. I didn't want to give him any
further affirmation if I wasn't fully feeling okay, it was

(54:30):
just bad. I don't know this hits deep. I actually
I have talked about it many times, like just talking
about relationships and how that works in the pressure when
you you know, say you're a virgin with Colton or
you haven't been kissed like that, people don't want to
take that from you. So here's the big question now
and then it's happened, and man, we're really expounding on
this kiss. So I'm sorry about that, but it's so
interesting to me. Do you regret having it happen. Oh

(54:53):
absolutely not. There we go. Hey, No, it wasn't radical
first kiss you could ever have. When people were like, no,
I wouldn't want to on TV, I was like, why
that's why else would you want? It could have been more?
For Acre, You're never going to regret having your first
kids with a hot guy, like a nice guy on

(55:13):
TV with fireworks. Yeah, it was highly It could have
been better. It could not even better. I wish I
was sometimes. Okay, my last question for you is you
left on your own, and I have this inkling that
you left on your own because you're like, rather saying
goodbye on my own and then have to say to

(55:34):
have him say goodbye to me at a rose ceremony,
that's a well, that's what my fear doing that because
I was like, I don't want people to think that.
I'm like, that's what That was my biggest fear. When
I wasn't fear because I was like, I don't want
people to think like, oh I think I'm gonna get
broken up with and so I need to dump in first.
That's so stupid. I could care less. So you really
didn't really didn't feel it. So he expressed that week

(55:56):
in Denver that he was so serious about wanting to
get engaged at the end of this and that that
was something he absolutely wanted. And I felt like at
the point in our relationship that I just didn't have
enough time with him at that change things up for Cassie.
He said, never mind, don't need to get engaged. Unbelievable world.

(56:16):
I'm stressed out for everybody right now. We've asked every
guest that's came on three questions. Ready for him? Ready?
Do you wish it would have worked out with Colton? No? Obviously,
Now you left yourself go why did you break it?
You just went into it. I just I didn't have
enough time. He wanted to get engaged, That's what he said,
and so I just didn't think I had enough time

(56:36):
with him to know, and I wasn't fully confident, and
I knew that the other girls, a lot of the
other girls, the four girls left, were so got it. Okay,
number two, which are the remaining girls? If any do
you think will be good with Colton? I think Hannah
g R. Cassie, I think both of them. Okay, wow,
interesting votes. Cassie. I think I think that they would

(57:00):
be a good I think Cassie and Colton they're a
good match. Like I really do like their lifestyles, like
everything about them. I really like even during the show,
like I was like, yeah, they would be a really
good match. But I mean, I don't know. Okay, final
question outside of yourself, we would't even ask you yet.
Are you gonna go on Paradise? I don't know of course. Okay, anyways,

(57:23):
I'll set of yourself. Who should be the next Bachelor
at one of the Hannah, Oh no, Hanna be She's mine.
But like Hannah, Gee, that's totally fine too, both of them.
I'm fine with the Hannah. I'm fine with one of
the Hannah's perfect. Okay, wait, are you gonna have your
second kiss ever on Bachelor Paradise? See the second kiss

(57:44):
for Paradise? And then when you look at the camera
and give us this thumbs up like this for you
actually been Heather, Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
This is fun. That's so fun. Alrighty, the this episode
is going to be closed up or till all I
thought was fantastic. I love for this episode. One of

(58:05):
our greatest works. We are next guest has his own podcast,
now called The Vital Files. Um. He's been on the
podcast many times. He's one of bach your nation's most infamous,
iconic and legendary people. We love him. His name is Nick.
Nick welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. And he's
the only one that approaches us with his eyes on

(58:27):
his phone and not a smile. I'm just happy to
see here. That's a beautiful Jackie's gorgeous man's jacket. He
just always dresses night. How do you? How do you
dress nice all the time? I threw this on to
be quite honest with you, right after I painted you
painted shirt list today? Was it a livestream? No? No,

(58:49):
I have to re I have to I'm gonna do
another one here. Wait, Nick, this is one of the
first things I want to talk to you about. Is
this real? Like you actually are that good at painting?
I just I just painted this man. No, you did not.
I don't get how you do this, Nick? To make
it so, we're bringing Kurpran Heather back. They're walking past.

(59:10):
Do you believe that Nick is this good of a painter?
What are you talking about? I have to do another one.
I mean, we're if you if you need to go
on Nick's Instagram at some point and follow this. It is.
It is one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen.
I watched the first time back three times because like,
how have I never seen? What is this? What is this? Oh?
That was my first try at this paint. If you

(59:32):
don't know what we're talking about it, it's gonna be
up on Nick's story soon. Just keep checking. I'm coming
I they want to call it, I'm gonna get me
an I g t V and I'm gonna call it
paint therapy. Okay, wait, you say it's paint by the
numbers or paint? What is it called paint? What I'm
gonna do like a show? No? I know, but what
is this paint? I'm gonna talking paint. He's eating a starburst?

(59:54):
But how long have you had this skill? I mean
I have always I wanted to be a cartoons for
Disney when I was a kid. How about how this
never came up on the show? And how have I
never known this? About? How hold on Sorr? I shouldn't
have chosen Well, so again, this is gonna this is
gonna be all I wrote I wrote on my first

(01:00:14):
season on on Andy season I I wrote that book
and I drew those pictures. That's so cute. So there
was a bit of an artist in you. I've always uh,
I've always wanted I've always wanted to be an artist
when I was a kid, and then I just didn't
do it for twenty years. This it just shows where
I'm at in life and single and so I just

(01:00:35):
looking for hobbies and you know, things to do when
I'm alone at night. And you picked up painting, I
like it, are you going to display them in your home?
I thin't gonna give them away? It actually costs a
lot of like every time I do a painting. I
think with us, it's like a hundred bucks, like supplies
in the frame. I think we're just gonna give them away.
I don't know, you know, like friends or like Oxen

(01:00:55):
and Waffe for charity or something or something like or
something maybe a way to like sell natural habitstential oils
dot com. I mean, yeah, please promote everything you got. Okay, Nick, uh,
we have a big night ahead of us still, and
so let's get to the point. Who do you think
should be the next bachelor? At Uh? Hannah be she

(01:01:17):
really warmed up to me here's the thing. UM, A
couple of reasons why I think Hannah Be will Be
is the best pick amongst the women. Um. She had
mildly unfavorable at it early on, uh and then really
warmed up, and I think everyone liked her more. UM.
I think it's a really compelling storyline, especially and I

(01:01:38):
think Klin is great. I like Kalin um, but um,
certainly Klin is gunning for the bat sharrette and I'm
I'm assuming she wants it to so for Hannah Be
to get over Kalin. She like, finally beat finally, you know,
it's like the underdog story. And think she was as
jealous of me and she did it and I Karen

(01:02:00):
just fine. I also think Hannah b is the most uh.
She emots the most and the most interesting, and she
will probably it will She's the most entertaining to watch.
She's she's not safe. She makes me giddy to watch.
She will she will do things that she regrets, and
I will enjoy watching it. Okay, So I think she
would be a great choice. So this episode, UM, with

(01:02:23):
Colton and the fence jump, would you call that the
most dramatic? Which I haven't I haven't been able to
look to see how the reactions. Chris Harrison said, they
broke the world, break the world. It's a bit hyperbolic,
but it has to be one of the most It's
gonna be like bird Box where everybody's like jumping over
fences today. I'll be honest a little envious of Colton

(01:02:45):
because he did have the most dramatic episode of her No. Well,
I don't know how this is all going to play out,
but it sounds like a quit. It sounds like it
looks like he's gonna chase the girl he likes, and
you know he's it's gonna it's romantic looking. And you know,
Cassie has been clear that she's not ready to get engaged,

(01:03:06):
so he like, there's no pressure to get engaged anymore
for Colton. So you're jealous because you wish you could
have just dated instead of getting engaged. Well, I mean,
like it's just it's a it's a lot less pressure,
um to just to keep it real. Um. And I
think there's stresses that the engagement can can bring. Um.

(01:03:28):
I don't know. It's a it's an interesting interesting it's
an interesting episode. So there's a tweet that I want
to ask you about nick uh that Colton has tweeted
it says the realist moment ever hashtagg the batchelor. Do
you believe this was the realist moment ever in Bachelor history?
I don't love that Colton tweeted that himself. Yeah, it's
a little self promoting. Uh. Do I think it's the

(01:03:50):
most realist? I mean it's a It was a great episode.
I think there's been a lot of real moments. I mean,
I don't know you could pick the do you think
you could pick the most realist? I felt like there's
some episodes, there's some moments that we had that I'll
tell you what I mean. Had Vanessa left in that moment,
I probably would have done the same damn thing. Um,
I don't know how you would have felt if Lauren
when I left in that moment, Probably similar, I think.

(01:04:10):
I think what's interesting about this episode is that it
it kind of and I'm proud of the show for
airing it, is that they kind of showed what would
ultimately prayby happen every season at this point, I think
it's pretty common for the lead to have a favorite
or a front runner at this point, and if your
front runner or your favorite at this Laten game decides
to leave. Even if you weren't sure about your decision,

(01:04:32):
it's gonna make you into panic mode and and make
you want to you know, the whole want way. You
can't have element maybe players and and so I think
Colton's reacting authentically to it. Is it more real than
you know everyone else who's in those you know, you're
only a product of whatever environment you're in. You know, Um,
it was real for you to fill Joejoe and Lauren

(01:04:52):
that you know, like you know, it's just it's whatever
happens happens. Um. I mean, you could have a bad decision,
but it was probably a real moment when I when
I you know, afar with Andy you regrettable but real. Um,
So yeah, I don't. I don't. It's it's been self
promoting at that point. It's a little weird, alright, feel

(01:05:12):
himself right now. I don't know to tweet during this
during this episode, I think at all, say what you
feel then come out. That's exactly I said. It's it's
odd to tweet it all during this episode. So, um,
I don't. I think this episode is so emotional and
so hard to watch it, I think do you think
it takes away from the real illness of it a
little bit? Yeah? I think it does. Almost like if this, yeah,

(01:05:34):
you couldn't you couldn't talk about this openly? Uh, if
it was if it hurt that much? And so this
is what this is where I'm reading into this. Then
now I wonder what happens in the weeks to follow,
because if if he's at a place where he can
emotionally tweet about this and watch it back with confidence
and at least enough clear he's either a uh he
was either a full of or be with Yeah. So

(01:05:56):
that's what I'm saying. It's pointing to what's happening next
to him being Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's my theory.
So if that's the case, let's make let's lead under
that assumption. Are you jealous too because he gets to
be with the girl and not have to get engaged? Um, no,
I wanted to get engaged. I was confident, but not
want to get engaged. But what were you ready to

(01:06:16):
get engaged? Yeah? I was, I was, but I can
see me like ready in life, I'm going to engage tomorrow.
I think Ben was ready to get I was, I was,
I was. I I do think though, what it does
say and I get what you're saying, is it takes
the pressure off um and that he kind of gets
to have his cake and eat it too, which a
little bit, which is not ideal for anybody in this

(01:06:36):
whole thing. Well also also like Colton is probably too
young to get engaged. That was kind of the big
that I wrought the same age. You were at a
different place in your life. You're not you were. You
weren't a virgin. You you dated more than three people. Um,
you had experienced. Colton, by his own admission, hasn't had
no experience with dating. And that was the one criticisms
and going in that he's how could he be ready

(01:06:58):
to get engaged? And now he's like, it's getting a loophole.
It really worked out most fulfilling prophecy. Um. Okay, Nick,
you have the new vile files UM file files. You know, UM,
we wanted we don't talk about compete more of it
probably with Jared and Dean in Vanessa. How is yours

(01:07:18):
different from how does how does that? I really mastered it?
Is it pretty good? Rights? How? What what are they
going to get from your podcast that they won't from
our Bachelor podcasts. Oh well, I mean we don't talk.
We talk a little Bachelor, but it's not the focus,
you know, it's kind of give the people what they want.

(01:07:39):
We try to. It's a lot of dating stuff, a
lot of life stuff. I really just kind of talked
about what's on my mind. We take questions from fans
and they come in with their interesting dating stories and
um they we just try to get the nittigati, nitty gritty,
um different ideas that come in my mind. Last week,
we had a psychologist and we talked about anxiety and
depression and I kind of just talked about the things

(01:08:01):
that I didn't get depressed and get anxiety about, and
hopefully it might be helpful and try to break down
the kind of preconceived notions of what therapy is. This week,
um on on this coming tomorrow, we'll be dropping an
episode talk about body issues. And I have two of
my friends. They're both models. One is a curve model
or plus size model, if you will. The other one,
uh is just a regular model. But like obviously they

(01:08:23):
are objectified every day for their bodies. And and I've
had some stories about, you know, mistakes I've made in
dating and just how people in their bodies and dating
is play a role, and it's just another topic we
talked about. Um. So yeah, we're just kind of having fun. Uh.
I think when I have a Demi on the following
week fun. Yeah, I'm I wasn't sure if I was

(01:08:45):
gonna have her on. I was like, you know what,
So Demi is gonna help me recap the Bachelor finale
and we'll we'll get into some maybe we'll talk about
internet bowling or bowling with Demi. Hey, I don't know,
so we just talk. I just I like I like
to hear myself talk an absolute man. Hey, uh, let's
head out of here. It's been a big night, Nick,
thanks for coming on. Make sure you tune into Vittle Files.

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