Furness Show 5-21: Joe Sheehan, Mike Sando and Mariners comeback

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by Too By Buddies, Goodies andglass Banners. Came back stunning fashion last
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the ninth inning incredible crazy andres Munialsclosed out the ninth struck out two gave
up just a hit. We'll talkmore about that. Joe She and by
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time to the New York Liberty seventyfour sixty three. They're one in three

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early in the season. I'm tellingyou right now, Core four not working.
Fame, I blame you. It'sall your fault. Indiana is here
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Conference Finals, just besides the IndianaPacers. I'm aware, Okay, it's
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cash. Let's get the show onthe road. Rainy Tuesday. That it
is people all bitter and upset becauseit's gross and disgusting outside, And I
say, what the hell do youexpect? It's May and Seattle, we

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need some rain. It is.I know we did get to that's but
this it's as if and you've beenhere long enough to know this just too,
it's as if people just forget whatit's like to live here, Like
do you forget that this is howit is? Yeah, we're going to
have those eighty degree days sometime inApril and May, and we did a
couple of weeks ago, and thenit's going to slap you across the face
with a little bit of November liquidsunshine rolling in here. Feels like it's

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right before Thanksgiving right now. That'show it is in the Great Pacific Northwest.
But rest assured it will get better. I think it's the high low
ratio. When you go, it'sextremes, right, and so there's no
easing in. I think you're right. I think that's a good way to
put it. There is the highsand the lows that we get, especially
this time of the year are nofun, kind of like the world of
sports that we live in as well. I'm going to touch in on Jamal

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Adams because I have yet to dothat on this show. We have not,
and it's newsworthy today because apparently he'svisiting the Baltimore Ravens. We'll spend
a little bit of time on thatlater in the show. Later in this
hour, Joe Sheen will join us, coming up at one o'clock today.
Excited to have Joe onis, he'lljoin the show at one. We'll check

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in with him. He saw theMariners and Baltimore last weekend, so well,
there's a lot to discuss with himsince he got a chance to watch
him up close and personal. We'llalso get the daily power play at one
forty five, recap what happened lastnight. Look Ahead still a little I
don't want to say update, butit feels as if we're trending into it
towards a final three for the crackand coaching search. According to a couple

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people out there, I'll explain atone forty five, nothing out of the
ordinary, not names you haven't heardalready, but we'll kind of give you
a little recap of what one ofthe NHL insiders was talking about on his
podcast, We'll do that at oneforty five connects. A disappointing game last
night of a quiet night, youhad the baseball for us, and then
we had the hockey and that wasit. But we kind of were in
that mode. Now every other dayyou got football or basketball conference finals,

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hockey conference finals, and baseball allstaring down the face, as well as
got Sounders tomorrow, by the way, in the US Open Cup. And
Caitlin Clark comes to town tomorrow,which I think people are obviously excited about
to see that. We'll probably checkin with the list or somebody maybe tomorrow
on that. I think it's beena little bit of a struggle for her
so far, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I actually watched a decent

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amount of yesterday's game and she appearedto have ruled her ankle and oh my
god, really, oh yeah no, when Clark injured, but she went
to the locker room and finished outthe game. I think she ended with
seventeen points. I might be wrongabout that, but yeah, okay,
okay, yeah, she did finishout the game. But you and also
they had a tremendous comeback in thatgame. They were down big and then

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it went down to the final secondsand she had already had her ankle,
not spat it up like football,but she had it taped and got it
retaped and everything, and so,like I said, but seventeen points as
a rookie in a game like thatwhere they had a tremendous comeback to have
a chance at the end, andshe went down and it was non contact.
It looked like, I don't knowyou've rolled your ankle before. Right.

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It's the worst pain you can havewithout Sometimes it's very It's the worst
pain you can have with something,maybe maybe not ending up being as serious
as you would think. Sometimes Ithink it's just you stun your top.
You feel the crack, yeah,and you know you're going to be swollen.
But how bad is it? Justthere's all these degrees of sprains now.
I mean, when I tore myACL, I knew I tore my

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ACL. When I've sprained my ankles, I go, well, I know
I sprained it. Yeah, Idon't know how bad it is. Yeah,
I'm just looking at this right nowto see. So, Yeah,
she came back seventeen points. Fiveassists all in the final twelve minutes or
ten minutes on five to eleven,had three three pointers, had to go
ahead three that put them on top, but they couldn't finish it off.

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Yeah, they're struggling, but she'smaybe starting to come around a little bit.
When you said she rolled her ankle, the first thing I thought of
is for tomorrow, and we'll getto the Mariners here in a second.
But I the first thing I thoughtit was, oh, like, can
you imagine? First of all,I don't think the WNBA is nearly as

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guilty as the NBA in the followingThey're not load management. They only play
what three four months, right,so, and they've got the Olympics break
this year, But can you imagineif you're someone it could happen this year.
That's a great example. You goout and you buy tickets to see
Sorry Jewel and the rest of thecrew, the core four. You bought

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tickets to see Caitlin Clark, andshe rolls an ankle, has like whatever,
something happens where she can't play.WHOA, Yeah, that's the risk
of actually with the amount of seatsthat they're expecting. You know, they
have record numbers. All right,I'm saying anywhere in the league, Yes,
can you match like any like allthese there's all these teams that are

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now usually play in like small buildings. Like there's a lot of teams that
play in you know, five orsix thousand seed buildings around the league and
they're moving into bigger buildings. WhenCaitlin Clark and Indiana come to town,
Oh god, I didn't I thateven crossed my mind till you just said
that. That's that would be likeone of the worst. Those guys are
talking about bad beats earlier, Chrisand Mike and Andrews. That'd be the

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worst bad beat you could ever have. Like, how the hell would you
survive that? Like you I spentfour hundred dollars ago watch Caitlyn Clark and
there she is in street clothes.I mean, that is who we can
be honest about that. That's whoyou're going to see. That's who they're
going to see. As to say, like they're not again due respect to
the core four in and the Storm, Ain't nobody going to see Skyler Diggins.

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They're going to see Kaitlin Clark.Unless you're a diehard Storm fan,
then you're going to see the game. But the fan base that they are
trying to reach write now that isgoing to see her. And when Chicago
comes to town, Angel Reese willsell tickets. I don't think Cameron Brink's
going to sell tickets. Angel willAngel will sell tickets. And I only

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say that because I can't remember anyhype when Hay Stanford and Cameron Brink are
coming to town and Alaska Airlines toplay Washington, Right, that never happened.
If LSU would have come to town, that would have been a big
deal. That would have been big. Iloa would have come down, that
would have been a big deal.I think those are the two rookies that
sell tickets in that league. Ithink there's probably safe to say those are
the two players that sell tickets inthat league. Well, let's also you

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know, as the season plays outfor the WNBA, I'm curious, like
that's an immense amount of pressure becausethere's no way to isolate yourself from that
information that people are coming to watchyou while you're trying to be a team
player. They both do, andthey're young, and their rookies and the
expectations. I mean, I thinkCaitlin's seventeen point performance, especially because she

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was playing her style of the finalten minutes in that game was it was
great. So they are allowing herto be her and not try but also
not trying to build a team systemaround her at the time. There's a
risk. There's a risk in sportsthat and I'm trying to think what the
comp would be in another sport rightnow, But there's a risk in sports.
I think it would be NBA.You know, like if you if

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you buy tickets to see the Dodgersplay, you're hoping to see sho Heyo
Tani, right, That's who I'dbe going to see. But but like
baseball, like there's a there's achance in a three game series. You
know that as a baseball fan,in a three game series that he may
not play. That's just the waybaseball works, Like you could he might
and probably if any it would bethe day game after a night game.

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What have you know? This risk, like you also have multiple opportunities,
right, but but but if theyonly come to town once, like if
it's a Dodgers right interleague game,and you're hoping, like, okay,
you probably want to buy a ticketfor the first or the second game,
he gets hurt two weeks before.Then you're out of Lockwell it's still baseball,
it's what have you. The NBAhas that. I've told the story
before a couple of years ago.A few years ago, I guess is
right bre for the pandemic. Myson and I for a couple three years

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went down to Utah. Heer hewas born in Utah. He's a huge
NBA fan, and so we wouldtake just kind of a guy's trip,
go down to Salt Lakes where hewas born. And because we left before
he was kind of old enough toremember he's like five when we left.
No, was he five? No, he's two. How old was he?
How quickly the time Flying Old left? No, he's about a year
and a half. I call thatradio man. Yeah, that's that's totally

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eighteen months I think when we left. Anyway, he just gets he went
from five to eighteen months, justlike that. Anyway, we go back
there, we go to Utah,but we would go to a Jazz game
and you know, and it's likethat's kind of his jazz game and that's
kind of his adopted team because hewas he was born there, and we
obviously didn't have the Sonics, soso we would go there. Well,
the one year we kind of putit around a game in which the Jazz

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were good. Uh, Donovan Mitchellwas was and Rudy Gobert with a big
two and they were really good.And they were playing this up and coming
team from Milwaukee with a guy namedYannis who he really wanted to see.
Janni's played, and the Bucks playedon a Friday night. We were going
to the game on a Saturday.They played Friday night before in LA against

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the Lakers, hard fought game.Janni's hurt his knee in that game.
So the next day we're like,we're hearing okay, he's like, you
know, a game time decision orlike and my kid was so bummed.
It's like, oh my gosh,if he doesn't play. I said,
yeah, we're still seeing an NBAgame. We got great seats. It's
you know, you'll see Donovan Mitchelland go bear up close. You can

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see the little Pez sisters, youknow, the whole nine yards whatever they're
you know, Robbie and and Robinand what's what's the other the other guy's
name? Uh, anyway, Lopezis and we can watch them. It's
gonna be fun. Middleton's fun towatch. I mean, this a good
team to watch. He's like,Dad, I just want to see honest.
I'm like, I know, dude, That's why we came down here.
We flew down here to see Jannislike he's not gonna play. We

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go there, we get to thegame. He's warming up, got a
big thing on his knee, like, ah, this isn't look good to
see it more. Yeah, that'swhy I told him. But he played.
Oh and he scored forty nine,forty nine or fifty. Him and
Mitchell went toe to toe. Oneof them scored fifty and one of them
scored forty eight or forty nine.It was crazy. So we got lucky.

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But in the back of my mind, I've always thought of that with
people buying tickets. When you buya ticket to a game. We bought
a playing ticket and tickets. Webet it all. Like that's a risk
that you but there's only a few. Like the NBA is probably the worst
with that, because the NBA trulyhas stars that you kind of want to
see more so than the brand ofthe team. Like if Aaron Judge doesn't
play for the Yankees. That wouldsuck if you can't go buy tickets to

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see the Yankees or Soto whoever.But there's still the Yankees, the logos
there, the teams there, there'san aura around them, even with the
Dodgers and show. Hey, likethere's still something there. Yeah, there's
certain teams that haven't. I thinkthat. Yeah, but I think the
NBA is the one sport that theone individual player is who you're buying a
ticket for a lot of times,like you go see Like you buy a

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ticket to see the Lakers. Yeah, there's some are around them, but
you're going to see Lebron, Likethat's what you're gonna go see. You
buy a ticket to see the Jokeror the Nuggets. You want to see
the Joker. Now, he playedI think seventy nine of eighty two or
eighty one of eighty two this year, so he plays every night. He
there's no load management for the Joker. Well, he doesn't even want to
be here, so he's like,I might as well do my job.

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Yeah, send me back to Sera, Send me back to Serbia and let
me hang out with the love thatwhatever whatever army and stuff we've got going
on right now. But that's butthat's what it is. Like the NBA
load management is a real big problem, and I think the WNBA hopefully there's
no load management. But boy,every like she has it goes back to
what you said, Jess, thereis a lot of it. She has

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the weight of the world on hershoulders, like women's sports in general.
Yes, because people are buying ticketsto see her. I think she gets
it. I watched the I watchedsome video of her the other day signing
autographs after a shoot around. Ithink she really gets it. I don't
know about as much. I haven'treally kept track of it, to be

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honest with you, but I've seenenough with with Caitlin Clark. I think
Caitlin Clark understands who and what sheis to the sport, and I think
that's really important. I think that'salso why you root for somebody like that,
because she understands that. You know, as she goes, so can
the sport go. And maybe that'swhy there was a little bit of feels

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like a little bit of professional jealousyaround the league. But yeah, like
they're here tomorrow. Sounds like she'sshe must be okay, unless it's one
of those things where all you wakeup and your lankle's all swollen. She
gets on a plane, and soI hope for taken care of her.
Yeah, I hope for everyone's safewho bought a ticket that that nothing creeps
up in the next day or theysay, oh, you know, we're
gonna sit her out this. Idon't think they will. I don't think.

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I don't think she's in that pointwhere they're going to sit her out
of games and and do that.Mentioned the Mariners, We'll get to them
in a heartbeat here she and aswell. Mike Sandal's gonna join us.
I just want to touch it onthis real quick. Mike Sandal's going to
join us today, coming up attwo o'clock. He wrote a real just
a fantastic and we're gonna be atSeahawks tomorrow by the way, for the

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OTAs Phase three of OTAs. Dothe show out there tomorrow, but we
Sandal wrote a story in The AthleticDay that caught my attention, and it
had to do with quarterbacks drafted early, and in a typical Mike Sandal fashion,
this dude grinded and deep dived hisway into a ton of really good

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information going back to nineteen ninety threeand going back to say, like here
is who has done what since ninetythree in terms of the first quarterbacks selected,
and it's pretty remarkable stuff. We'llgo through that at two o'clock with
him. But to me, whatcame across it's sort of why I think

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you can make an argument that whenyou read the information and all the data
that supports or that tells you howthe success and the hit rate and the
misrate on quarterbacks drafted early, itreally does probably explain why the Seahawks A
didn't trade up, B didn't takequarterback seven whoever that would have been with

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either their a first pick or alater pick, or trade down to get
quarterback number seven Spencer Rattler or whoever. It also probably tells you why they've
avoided that position in the draft sincetwenty ten, all but two times with
Russ and Alex Magoo. It's becausethe hit rate is not good for quarterbacks.

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And this is the time of theyear where there are six teams out
of thirty two that are going throughOTAs, and people like us are out
there watching OTAs and talking about otais a first chance to see rookie quarterback
one through six on the field,whether it be Caleb Williams or Drake May,
Jayden Daniels, bow Nicks, MichaelPanis, Junior JJ McCarthy. We're

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so excited about these guys, right, the reality is maybe maybe three of
those six if teams are lucky.Four of those six hit and are really
good. And you'll say, well, of course it's going to be this
guy, this guy, and thisguy. You don't know that, you

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don't know that there's a far betterchance that Caleb Williams hits than the other
five, like far better chance.And we'll explain that with Mike coming up
at two o'clock. Fascinating stuff becauseI always go back, like, why
do the Seahawks Nake not take aquarterback? We'll tell you why a two
o'clock. But it also when weasked Schneider after the draft, Jess,

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you were out there with us onthat Saturday afternoon. We were sitting there
talking and Schneider comes out and westarted firing quarterback questions and I said,
you know, was did you wantto draft a quarterback? And he just
he kind of laughed and he says, well, yeah, but he says,
but and he said six in thefirst twelve, like he was taken

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aback by that, and at thatpoint there was no reason to go down
that road. As far as theycan see. We'll explain all that the
numbers that Mike has coming up attwo o'clock tab when we come back.
Mariners, huge win last night.Have we checked on Nicky? How's our
buddy NICKI doing today? You know, his socials were kind of sad last
night. I just see I sawa lot of interaction on this social He's

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great. Yeah, and you know, we have a couple of clips from
the show yesterday out in our socialmedia, so now nine three three KJR
on all of them. I loveNicky. Seems like he handled it well.
The Mariners have an improbable win.It's also a good a good lesson
in sticking with it. I thinkDave Simms was chastising people on social media,

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like you guys didn't stick with it. I can't believe people gave up
on it. What have you?All? Right, I'll be the first
to raise my hand. I didn'twatch the end of the game. I
have an excuse, so and I'lltell you what that is when we come
back. But also a I've gota little topic for you guys today because
this falls into a category that happensall too often in sports. Has nothing

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to do with the Mariners coming frombehind to win all those cool as that
is, but this is something thatyou hear and see all the time in
sports. What is that? We'lltell you about it next nine three point
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Radio Netty three point three kJ RFM. I'm gonna throw something at you
in a minute, because I thinkwhat we had happened last night is mean
one of those one of those gamesthat is lied about for years to come.

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I'll explain in a second, Butwhat happened last night in the Bronx
in New York City, Nicki Scarlataand others New York fans losing their mind
the Mariners coming back for a fiveto four improbable win over the New York
Yankees, Ladies and gentlemen at fiveour four run ninth inning for Seattle to
battle back, come back, getthe victory. Andre's the one thing that

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wasn't out of the ordinary. AndresMuno's was crazy good as always, But
the Mariners had a rally in theninth that was one for the ages.
Daniel Kramer was on earlier with Chrisand Mike and Anders on our ten to
twelve show. We borrowed this fromhim courtesy of where he borrowed it from,

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which would be Root Sports. Thisis basically what happened in the ninth
inning. Schapper gonna run like heck, he's him three two and there's an
opportunity. Chapper up the middle reallycan run, bugets away, Annie,

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slicing drive, sinking drive, nobody'sgonna get it, and the marriage of
clowning airway pumps. The demo takesball pour. The bases are loaded.
There it is high fat ball,Lakefield, Sono date tagging it. Third
has a relliant he's gonna start.We got a tie ball game. There

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you go place half thirds have tolead. It's five foot there you go.
So in about forty five seconds,what happened over the course of about
fifteen minutes the Mariner's coming back andscoring four runs. Let me go through
this number four US. This iscrazy when when the Yankees got a two

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out RBI single in the ninth inthe bottom of the eighth inning to go
up four to one. Heading intothe ninth, the New York Yankee win
probability was ninety seven point two percent. Ninety seven point two percent. This
is from MLB. By the way, this is not an ESPN made up
metric number which nobody knows where theyget sometimes. This is from This is

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on MLB. This is an MLBMajor League Baseball ninety seven point two percent
win rate for the Yankee win probabilityheading into the ninth inning. When Luke
Rayley singled on a ground ball tosecond baseman to the second basement and Julio
Rodriguez scored to make it a fourto two game at that point four to

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two with one out, and calRawley went to third on the throwing air
of Luke Raley went to second.On that play, the Mariners win probability
jumped twenty percent from three percent totwenty three percent. Mitch Hanneger then singled
in the line drive to center field, how Raley scored that made the score

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at that point four to three.The Mariners win probability rate, though was
still at thirty six percent, butthey had runners and second to third Dylan
number thirty six percent. Dylan Moorewalks, Mitch Haniger goes to second,
so the bases are loaded with oneout. Marner's trailing four to three.

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Win probability forty five percent. Gettingbetter, but still how good did you
really feel? Like? Ground ballhere and game's over, like you done?
And it's not forty five percent aszero percent, but you heard the
dominant Ken zone sacrifice fly. JuanSoto goes deep to catch it. Luke

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Rayley easily scores Mitch Haniger the third. Our score at that point four to
four, and you guessed it.Seattle win probability fifty percent, so it
jumps up forty seven percent and theytied up. Then this is the crazy
part. Two outs two on atwo to zero pitch, and you heard

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Ty France single on a ground ballto right fielder Juan Soto. Mitt Chaniker
scored, made it a five tofour Seattle lead. That's where it stood
heading into the ninth inning. Atthat point, Seattle's win probability was eighty
three point seven percent, and Iwould argue that was way too low because
Andres Munos is a bad, badman. And he came in and said,

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gave up a single and that wasit just was was fantastic and boom.
Mariners come away with a win inwhich they entered the final inning trailing
by three runs and had a threepercent win probability rate. To quote my
good friends, the late great thebest there ever was Daveney House my,

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oh my, not my oy,Chris Crawford, my my. The Mariners
come back and get a win.That is why you love sports. Right
there is why you love sports.Right there is why you watch until the
end. I always tell the storyabout my daughter. She's twenty seven.
She's right in that cut off millennialgen Z world whatever whatever that thing is

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like when we think about and jokeabout the Bros and the pen going to
games. She fits into that demographic. But this is why I love my
daughter, my baseball fan daughter,who is the biggest baseball fan in our
family. And it isn't close becauseshe goes to a game and she stays
till the bitter end, makes herboyfriend sit there with her in those seats

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until the bitter end. They're notbrowsing around bro Land out in the center
field. No they're watching the damngame. And that is exactly why.
Like I haven't talked to her.I got a text her. Go.
That's why, right, that's why, Princess, you sit there and watch
every damn inning and every out,even though Keegan's going to get me the
hell out of here. It's fivenothing I want to get out. Nope,
We're watching till the bitter end.That's why, right there, that's

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why you also love sports because ofwhat happened last night in the Bronx in
New York for a team that franklyis so offensively challenged. If you were
gonna bet against the team, likeif it was the Yankees, you just
say they may have a chance.Yeah, that three percent made sense because
like, like, who's gonna likereally this team that has you know,

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a couple guys that had that hitfor average A couple that's it. Although
Luke Rayley, ladies and gentlemen,is just he is on flipping fire.
I did you watch him because Iknow he quote unquote easily scored because he
had that, but he was chugging. I love watching him leg that out.
He was going full for I mean, he runs like big dude,

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you know, what he looks likeand runs like. He runs like a
first round draft pick tight end.I was thinking a kickoff coverage guy.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, likejust charging down that way like he's built
like Jake Bobo. Yes he is, but he's about ten times faster than
the Seahawk wide receiver. Okay,that's not a fair comparison. We all
know what Jake ran. I know, but no, seriously, like he's

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I mean the because we spent timeyesterday on malliwop talking about how unathletic and
how slow some of these guys are. And that's true, but there are
exceptions. Julio can run, Raleycan run, Dylan Moore can run,
right, So there's guys that canrun. There's dudes that can on this

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team that can run. And speeddid kill but it was one of the
most remarkable things. Ever. Whathappened last night, Now, that's what
happened last night at about I wantto say that was around six thirty ish
is when that happened. How longwas the game? I'll tell you right
now exactly because I have my I'lltell you what two hours. Yeah,
it was right about six fifteen.It started about six ten, six fifteen

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is when this took place in atwo hour and thirty four minute game.
Well, one of us here didn'tsee it, but I know I'm not
alone, you liars, And I'lltell you no, I'm gonna tell I'm
gonna tell the story and a littletopic we're gonna throw at you guys in
a second, because this is oneof those games, and we'll talk about

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See How's closest Cassino. So callme Casino. Okay, I want to
get to this. I found thislast night to be fascinating because, and
maybe more so, I saw thismorning. When you know, I think
simsy go like, oh, youdon't hope you guys in tune off the
game or tune it out, whathave you? And all that I am
freely admitting right here. I didn'twatch the end of the game, watch
good chunk of it. Didn't watchthe end of the game. Not because

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I didn't believe in the Mariners,although I certainly didn't believe in the mirrors.
I would have gone with a threepercent probably, but I would have
watched the end of the game.But the end of the game happened.
As we're facing off Game seven.There's nothing like a Game seven in the
Stanley Cup playoffs. It was facingoff games Mariners down four to one.
Game seven's facing off in Vancouver,British Columbia, Canada, edvon Toyler's from

(29:44):
the city of champions Evanton, Alberta, provincial capital Alberta. By the way
rolling into town, I had towatch that game. I had to watch
that. I did not watch theend of the Mariners game, and I
had to put it on pause becausewe had a little thing at my at
our house kid was learning how touse the blackstone make some frieda rice,
chicken fried rice on it. Girlfriendwas over a lot going on. I'm

(30:06):
getting the guilt trip about trying towatch a hockey game. Well, all
that's taking place, I put iton pause. My phone was blowing up,
boom boom boom. I could justfeel I looked down. I could
just glance at the top. Isee Chris Crawford, Nathan Bishop, Anderson
Hurst, Chris Crawford, Nathan Bishop, Anderson Hurst, mollywop chat blah blah
blah. I'm like, uh,my thought would be what they finished off

(30:30):
losing four to one. Probably wentdown with like four pitches in the ninth
inning, and the result something badhappened. It was like, not only
did they lose, but they didn'teven put up a fight in the ninth
thing. That's what I thought,But I know Anders is a hockey guy.
I had put it on pause onthe old DVR for a second,
so I was like five minutes behindthe hockey game, and I didn't want
to see like a goal or anythinglike that. I kind of wanted to

(30:52):
watch that, so I didn't wantto look at the texts because Anders easily
would have put on there going,oh you can spoil alerting, Yeah exactly.
But I didn't watch the end ofthe Miners game. I'm gonna freely
admit that I know a lot ofyou didn't watch the end of the Mannor's
game. Judging by the hour byhours of the ratings last night, a
lot of people turned it off.So but it was one of those games

(31:14):
you're like, man, unbelievable.Can you believe that? And I got
a group chat with guys I golfwith in my neighborhood and stuff, and
everyone's raving about it. I'm thinkingthat most of you guys just saw the
score. You didn't watch the endof the game. It's one of those
things in sports that we come upwith all the time, like something massive
happens and all of a sudden,the fifty thousand seat stadium, one hundred

(31:37):
thousand people said they were there,a forty five thousand seat ballpark, ninety
five thousand people say they were agame whatever of the playoff series and watch
that. So I don't listen youguys. If you watched it, great,
I don't even care about the lastnight. What I care about is
this what's the game that you missed? Either you left early or you turned

(32:05):
it off that now you regret it, or you think, man, I
should just lie about it and sayI was watching or I was there.
Oh my gosh, this reminds meso much of the NFC Championship game against
the Packers. Remember people left andyou know, beat the traffic, and
then they wouldn't let them back inright and they were stuck listening to the
rockousness of that stadium right outside.So what what game is it? What

(32:29):
event is it that you left earlyor you turned it off only to find
out later that you really screwed up. Be honest, tell me what it
is. Or maybe it's a gamethat you just wish you could have seen
and for whatever reason, it justwasn't it just you kind of blew it
off? Four nine, four orfive one. Tell them we're to text

(32:52):
one when it's game time. Tellyou time you can. Also, I'd
love to hear a voice text ortwo today. The talkback Mike is there
for you iHeartRadio app. All youhave to do is go on the iHeartRadio
app, fire away thirty seconds orless on the little red microphone and tell
us what it was that you've forgottennow, Like for me, there's a
lot of stuff I feel like I'vemissed over the years, and a lot

(33:13):
because I'm working like so I ButI'll give you the best, the one
that I wish I was at thatI wasn't and I didn't leave early necessarily,
So this isn't quite what I'm lookingfor, but it could be.
So you know, the Snow Bowlin ninety two, Drew Bloodstell throwing in
the snow and just you know,lighting up the Huskies and like, you
know, one of the greatest momentsin WAZU football history, just not just
because they beat them, but justbecause of the snow and all that.

(33:37):
There were thirty thousand people in thestands. There's about about one hundred thousand
that claim they were there, probablyless than that when the snow started falling,
like actually went to the game orattended it, or even turned it
on and watched it. I missedit. I was actually calling a junior
hockey game in Spokane, the Chiefsand the Tri City Americans. I was

(33:58):
working for the Tricity Americans time,and I didn't see a second of the
game. I didn't I mean Ididn't see a second of the game.
Same thing happened with this is beforeyou could get the update alerts on your
phone. Watched it here and theresaying as a fun I mean I we
got our first cell phone as afamily a couple two years later, I

(34:19):
think three years later. And no, wait, you know what, it
wasn't even Tri Cities. I wasworking for the thunder Birds. That's why
it was ninety two. I wasworking for the thunders and we were over
there and I was like, Imissed the game. I missed the clinching
game in ninety seven when the whenRyan Leaf led the Koogs passed the Huskies
in the Apple Cup and clinched thatfirst Rose Bowl appearance. And however long

(34:40):
I was doing a hockey game inLong Beach, California. Yeah, so
I've missed this, I I'll freelyadmit. But in terms of getting up
and leaving early, I don't thinkI have that. Last night was as
closely as it gets where I justturned it off and something happened. So
I want I want your your missin sports? What did you miss?
Last time? Was a regular seasongame? And you know we're told not

(35:02):
to care about games at this point, so who cares? But like it
was a big game, though massivegame. I say that with tongue firmly
planet in cheek and a heavy doseof sarcasm, because that was a big
win. That was like one ofthose that was one of those ones you
look back on in this season andGod, remember that game and if they
win, if they get the playoffsby a game, like if they get

(35:23):
to the playoffs by like one game, you're going to point to that game
as being one of the ones thatgot you there. But what's the game
that you turned off? You leftearly? I like your thought about the
NFC Championship game. I forgot.Yeah, there were people outside well Man
watching the local news, the sportsnews reports after that because everyone was kind
of you know, you know,working at Foxy that you know, all

(35:45):
of the you know, everyone waspositioned outside as well as inside, reporters
outside doing man on the street interviewsand everything. So a lot of it
was captured and when you get outand you get out on occidental, there's
no place to go watch it.No, like like you could squeeze into
you could squeeze into Jimmy's Maybe Ithink the pyramid was still open then maybe,

(36:07):
but that place always seems to closeearly, and it's not like they
had great TV's in there, Soyeah, you would have been screwed.
Yeah, if you were out inthe if you were out in the oxident,
all of a sudden you hear like, you know, all hell break
and loose. People stayed outside becausethat was the only way they would know
what's going on is just to beoutside. Yeah. Yeah, so I'll
give it. Give us those thoughts. Four nin four to five one telem
who text on his game time.Also we'll check in with the voice text.

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Love to hear your voice as well. Today. What's the game you
left early or you turned off thatyou now regret. Maybe it was last
night, who knows. We'll getto that coming up next. Ninety three
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Jeff, John Howie and his crewout there for bringing us Joe every
Tuesday at one o'clock to talk allthings baseball. Hello, sir, how
are you? I'm thinking about theopening there and they called me the one
to known with Joshian and I'm notthe most prominent Joshian in baseball even what
wait? What what? What?Huh? There's a hes the assistant associate.
I forget his actual title General managerof the Blue Jay is his name

(39:20):
Joe Sheen. He actually got hisstart writing for the Hardball Times and he
was doing a lot of early stackcaststuff. Got hired by the Pirates,
and now he's with the Blue Jays. So I'm number two in the number
two guy with my own name andmy own industry. I don't I disagree,
you're our one. I don't wantYeah, I disagree on every level.
I would also say, dude,who's an assistant GM? No,

(39:42):
No, my guy has his ownnewsletter, so you're number one in our
book. All right? Does hehave a Joshian Newsletters he on Joshian dot
com. The answer is no,No, one hundred percent. No.
He actually gets to make trades.I think that's what He's a very bright
guy. I remember reading his stuffgot fifteen years ago. Now, really,
right, guy, I've ever actuallymet him. I really want to
shake his hand and say, yeah, thanks for making me absolute. Then
the question is, does does thatJoshian subscribe to the Joshian newsletter? He

(40:07):
does not, I said we don'tknow each other. We have obviously we
know people in common, we don'tactually know each other. I'll tell you
a funny story. The trainer forthe Cleveland Browns is also named Joshian.
Yeah, I have on occasion gottenemails intended for both the other Joshians,
like actual like documents from the teamand stuff like that. Obviously I keep

(40:27):
the private, let them or turnthem at all. But it's been funny
getting like these privileged emails. Hashe These are the Blue Jays right?
Uh? Yeah, Blue Jays andthe Cleveland Browns. Could you could you
orchestrate of Vladimir Guerrero Junior trade toSeattle somehow? Hey, ty France was
the hero last night. What areyou talking about? I know, I
know, I know. We'll getto him in the second. Okay,
Uh, you you were in Baltimore, right, This is kind of like

(40:51):
the Joshian Tour. I wanted toget the thoughts you went to. You
saw the game on Friday. Ibelieve did the thing beforehand. I think
that we talked about last week.Yeah, we had a newsletter, guests
show up. We took over asuite down the left field line. Had
the assistant general manager of the Orioles. So I've done a long time.
Sig My Dell, come in andtake some questions. It was a great,
great night. The marriage didn't showup. That was the one thing
I said. It wasn't that greatabout it. And even that's dismissed it

(41:14):
because I saw one of the bestdefensive plays I've ever seen in person,
Julia Rodriguez with a true home runrobbery. Actually, forget the hitter at
this point. A lot of thetimes people say, oh, he robbed
him of a home run, whenreally he robbed them of a double,
or he turned what should have beena flyout into a fancier play. This
was a legitimate home run robbery.This ball was over the fence and Jay

(41:36):
Rod brought it back. One ofthe best players I've ever seen in person.
Yeah, I saw that on Friday. It was crazy. Bryce Miller
pitched. I know you wanted towatch him pitch. He obviously like kind
of like the rest of the team, didn't have his best night. But
what'd you see from him? Yeah, I confess we were down the left
field line, so I can't reallygive you a great scouting report. Oh
I see, you know, defensereally let him down in the first Elan

(41:57):
Moore made a big error that kindof opened the flood gate for the rest
of the inning. But I willsay this, five in the first almost
take an argument that's better off takehim out of the game and save the
innings, but Service leaves him inand he actually is throws five really good
innings after that. I give Millerfull credit. Yeah, I was at
a loss. Yeah, I wasin a game, a game that got
away from them in the first inning, but that was a really impressive last

(42:19):
five innings. Any though, it'san interesting thought. I haven't thought of
that because a lot of times whenthat does happen, right with pitchers,
they wear one that like they giveup A starter gives up like a lot
in the first and at that pointthe manager says, I want to save
my bullpen, and you're just gonnawear this, right. That's kind of
been the philosophy in baseball, andI haven't thought of that much. It
would be outside the box, ormaybe it isn't. Maybe more teams do

(42:40):
this where you go, hey,let's just like, especially with a young
pitcher, right, that's not asmuch of an innings watch as he was,
say a year ago. But almostdoes it make sense to just kind
of take him out and burn yourlong guy at that point. Well,
there used to be a lot morevariance in how long starting pitchers. True
starting pitchers will leave openers out ofthe conversation for the moment. But if
you know Bob Turley for the nineteenfifty seven Yankees, got knocked around in

(43:05):
the first inning, Casey Stengel wouldyank him, in part because the bullp
intended to be full of guys whowere used to throwing four or five six
innings at a time. We didn'thave a bullpen full of one inning guys.
Nowadays, there is more of astandard thing. As you say,
a guy gets knocked around in thefirst you'll generally try to get five innings
out of him no matter what.So you know, a lot of times
that gels ugly and you have toend up taking him out. You mean,

(43:27):
you're not gonna let a guy giveup twelve runs, But you know,
Miller going out there and giving theteam five innings that really needed ahead
of I know, they didn't havean off day Monday, so it's at
least six straight days that they're playing. You don't really want to strip the
bullpen on the first day. Soagain full credit to Miller for keeping him
in the game after the bat first. Then, like I say, from
where I was sitting, and againwe had a lot of guests in the
suite, I can't say I'd giveyou a great scouting report on him,

(43:50):
but I certainly didn't see anything thatmakes me think that he's not really a
luxury as a number four starter onthis team. Joe that game for Julio
making that catch. One of thegreat young players we think in baseball.
For many Mariner fans over the thosethree days, you got a chance to
watch Gunner Henderson. Where do youput this guy out there right now?

(44:12):
I'm on the great young players inbaseball. Yeah, he's an MVP candidate,
and he was one of the bestplayers in baseball last year in his
first full season. This year,he's the MVP candidate up there with Bobby
Whitt and some other guys. Ithink what impresses me is that he's become
a shortstop coming to the system.He played a little short, played little
third. First year with the Oriels, played a little short, played little
third. They've played him at shortevery inning of his season so far this

(44:35):
year, and he's held up.You look at the defensive numbers, He's
not spectacular. A lot of guysMason winning the cargoes. You look at
him, and you know, I'mseeing a great shortstop with Gunnar Henderson.
It's more positioning, steadiness, makingthe plays a good but not you know
Sean Dunstan arm and he looked atthe numbers and his defensive numbers looked very
good in pretty much every system.So you're you've got with Henderson a superstar.

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I was twenty three years old nowleading the American League at home,
excuse me, leading off based onhome runs and just doing everything you can
ask for as a player. I'mnot sure I saw this level of upside
from him. I thought maybe he'dend up at third base. I thought
maybe he'd be more of a sixtywith doubles type of hitter. But you're
talking about a guy who's on hisway to a forty homer season as a
short stop. We touched on alittle bit last week, but let's go

(45:22):
back to the Julio conversation. Imean, I always kind of felt like
for many years, and we talkedabout Robin the out and others that got
moved last week. But when yougot guys like Henderson and Elie Dela Cruz,
great young players, truly, Iguess can play anywhere, right.
There's no like, Hey, putthis guy in the corner out field,
put this guy in center, hidehim somewhere. We need his bat more
than anything. You know, hidinga guy in center obviously, but but

(45:43):
it feels like, I mean,God, with those types of players,
you can put these guys anywhere youcan. There was a Bobby Wick junior
in his first season. I've beencovering, I've been unning a lot about
this group of shortstops. In hisfirst season, he played some third base,
and there was there were questions.The defense numbers were terrible short there
was question as to whether he'd stayedshortstop. I saw the athleticism. I
thought he could stay a short Lastyear he was a plus defensive shortstop.

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This year is one of the bestin the game. When you have that
kind of tools, you're right.You can move these guys anywhere. Bobby
Witt as a center fielder would bean interesting player. But if you can
keep a guy at the most whatyou want to try to do is keep
a guy at the hardest position thathe can handle. You think about the
defensive spectrum, shortstop, center field, second base, third base, right
field, left field, first base, catchers not really on the spectrum.

(46:28):
You want to play a guy atthe toughest position he can handle. Wit
can be a shortstop for about ElieDelacruz. Elie Delacruz, who played some
third base last year, played someshort Matt mcclean's injury. Matt McLean hurt
his shoulder in spring training. He'sout until August. That opened up the
door for Dela Cruz to be ashortstop. He's still somebody who might end
up getting moved off the position.He's good, but not great there.

(46:49):
He's a radic. He has ashortstop to arm, but that's also another
way of saying he is a rightfielders. So we'll see if he stays
at short. The best defensive shortstopof this group is probably Anthony Volpi of
the Yankees. He has a reallyhigh floor because he's so plus defensively.
He's hitting better this year than hedid last year. He steals bags.
He's somebody who's probably going to belike the third or fourth of this group,

(47:09):
but he still has a little bitof upside. He just doesn't have
the upside of Henderson wait or DelaCruz. Joshian Jonas Joshian dot Com Joshian
Newsletter will tell you more about thatin the second Mariners in the midst Joe
of this this gauntlet of what endsup being seven games, three against Baltimore,
four against the Yankees, a comebacklast night in probable fashion, and

(47:29):
get a win over New York inthe first of four against the Yankees after
losing two of three to Baltimore.After that they lost those two of three,
it felt like, I think alot of us here in Seattle felt
like, Okay, there's a definiteseparation between what Baltimore is and who Baltimore
is and the Mariners, and thenthe Yankees might even be a little bit
better. You know, We'll seewhat happens over the next few days,
and The've got a long a lotof baseball left to be played. But

(47:51):
as you watch these two teams,the Yankees and the Oriols, is there
a clear separation in your mind betweenthose two and most of the rest of
the American League? Maybe eve whennotwithstanding or or not Yeah, I right
now, I'd have to say yeah, And to me, I think even
though they're in second place right now, the Orioles look like the best of
this group. At the start ofthe year, I thought that was a
really tight bunch at the top ofthe American League Mariners, Rangers, Astros,

(48:15):
Orioles, Blue Jays. Blue Jayhas obviously been very disappointing. I've
been very surprised by the Yankees,and it's funny that game last night.
One of the things the Yankees havedone is they've gotten better run prevention than
you would expect from all of thethings they've allowed. Singles, double troubles,
walks is a way to measure that, called fit minus era. It's
up at fangrass. People want tocheck that out. And going into last

(48:37):
night, the Yankees had, ifyou'll use use the term, the luckiest
pitching staff in Major League Baseball bya lot. So seeing them lose that
game in the ninth on a bunchof not terribly hard at singles was kind
of a little bit of a regressionfor the Yankees. So I do think
the Oriols are better than the Yankees. Fact, I see separation between the
Orils and the Yankees. You talkabout those two teams at the top of

(48:58):
the AL. I think the Oriolsright now looked to me like five games
better than the field. And thenyou talk about the Yankees part of that
second tier with the American League Westteams. We'll see if the Guardians I
can actually hold on here, ifthe Twins make the comeback. I think
there's a lot more parody in theAmerican League after the Orioles than necessarily to
see from the standings today. I'mgoing to get to the American League West

(49:20):
and a second, because you kindof called this even though they lost last
night. You kind of gave usa little heads up on Houston a couple
of weeks ago, and lo andbehold, here come the Astros. But
I know you wrote about Baltimore andbuilding young players, farm system, etc.
But the question is can they takeand the GM I guess specifically take
that next step, right, becausethat's something we talk about here all the

(49:42):
time, like Seattle's got this greatyoung pitching staff and finally looks like,
you know, maybe they're going todevelop a couple of their own younger players
along the way, what have you, or at least make a couple of
trades can to Poto take and JustinHolland. Are that next step? It
sounds like are those same questions goingon in Baltimore. Well, certainly in
Baltimore because Baltimore has a level ofdepth that the Marriagers don't have the Marritors.

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You know, counting Brian who theyhave five really good starters of the
rotation. The drop off the Hancock, you've got Henry Ford. If the
outfielder plays, there's one more topprospect. I'm blanking on an infielder.
I just can't remember the name.So they've got some prospect dept. But
the Oriels literally have two major leaguein fields. You look at Henderson,
Westberg and theoretically Holiday. In themajor league level, you've got Kobe Mayo

(50:24):
and Connor Norby. Mayo's hurt rightnow, but these guys are major league
players. They traded a shortstop JoeyOrtiz to the Brewers, has been a
big part of the Brewer's success.So you're never going to get all of
these guys on the field at thesame time. Those have outfielders, you
know, Colton Kawser, Kyle Stowers, Heston Kurstad. I mean, this
is an incredible amount of depth here. So there comes a time where you
have to say, look, wemight have to lose the trade in terms

(50:45):
of war per dollar. We're goingto have to give up a guy who's
going to be worth fifteen more overthe next four years and make no money
to get a four win picture whocould help us win the World Series this
year. Now, the Ortiz forBurn's trade was the first step in that
direction, right. I look atthis Oils team, we bullpen some questions
about the middle of the rotation andsay, you have to make another one

(51:07):
of those trends, whether it's Norby, whether it's Mayo. I wrote today
about a possibility that maybe it hasto be Jackson Hollow. But you've got
to form right now. This isn'tYou're not building anything anymore. You've built
it. Now you have to win. Well, I think that's interesting from
this standpoint. And again I'll bringit back to our guys here. You
know, and you touched on theword maybe in the American League parody like

(51:27):
a little bit of parody, andyou look around the league and yeah,
in the American League, there's alot of teams that are gonna be battling
for you know, wildcard spots whenin the Al West, looks like the
division probably could come down, youknow, to the bitter end as well
at the end of the season,probably three teams when it's all said and
done. And as I'm looking throughall that, I'm thinking, with all
that parody, there will there beis just this a normal year or will

(51:49):
there be more teams out there huntingfor that next guy that did the player
to take them to that next step, that next level, whether it be
trade deadline or earlier in June orJuly. Yes, but it's a zero
or some games there are only thirtyteams. So we saw last year that
there were really just nine sellers andfour of those didn't have anything to sell.
This year, you could have asimilar situation the expanded playoffs. If

(52:10):
you let six teams in well inJuly, you know, three or four
additional teams in each league are goingto say, hey, we have a
chance to get there. You know, we've seen the Yankees get trapped at
the trade deadline. We've seen inthe Red Sox in multiple years get trapped
at the deadline where they don't knowanymore whether they're good enough or you know,
we're fighting to be the sixth seed, and that's we're fighting for.

(52:32):
The Diamondbacks went to the World Seriesfrom that seed. But it makes it
hard to sell. So if you'rethree games out of the wildcard, if
you're fifty one and fifty two andthree games out of the Wildcard on July
twenty ninth, is that really aseller's position. So all you really have
is sellers are really bad teams.And you know what, really bad teams
are bad because they don't have goodbaseball players. So there's only so much

(52:52):
the A's really have to offer intrade. There's only so much the White
Sox or the Marlins have to offerin trade. We could say around picking
a pick at their their rosters,but it's going to be a lot of
risk. It's going to be alot of fourth starters and relievers and guys
who are going about seventh in aplay a playoff lineup, as opposed to
you know, last year, JustinErlander and Max Schuster because the Mets turned

(53:15):
out to be surprisingly bad. Ithink what you want to watch now is
the teams that are on the margins, who might fall out of the race,
who do have really good talent,I think the Blue Jays are going
to be first on the list.I've already seen a lot of people saying,
oh, the Blue Jays not goingto have to sell. He started
out talking about blid Guerrero. Youknow, he's on a heater right now,
but he's a free agent at theend of twenty five, and you

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know, the Jay's might be inposition to saying, hey, look we
could trade a year and a halfof him and get a pretty good haul
back if he continues to hit.So I think the Jays are a team
that I think everybody's going to bewatching. I see if they fall out
of the race. Maybe the Cardinalsas well, maybe the Padres. And
again, these are all teams thatare going to be around or below five
hundred credit where credits due. Justa little while ago, you were saying,
there's some numbers, some underlying numbersthat tell us the Houston Astros.

(54:00):
I figure out again that the theHouston Astros. Sixteen days ago they finished
off a series. They were fifteento twenty five. They were ten games
under five hundred, they were negativetwenty eight in their run differential. Now
now they did lose last night,but they're seven to three in their last
ten run differential is now only minuseight. They've closed that gap. They're
six UNDERD five hundred. But itfeels like they're starting to trend upwards in

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that and I just said probably athree team division Seattle, Texas and Houston.
Are we still seeing signs of lifefrom the Astros. Yeah, I
mean the offense coming round. Thebullpen killed them at the start of the
year, and it's still a littlehit and miss, but it's been better
over the stretch. Alex Bregman finallystarting to hit. They said Josey and
Bryer down, they're actually going tobring him back this week. He got

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off to a terrible start. Shehad a lot of zeros in that lineup,
canceling out what they were getting fromAltuvey and Tucker and Jordon Avarez.
They've gon have a little more depth, like a lot of these teams.
They're going to go and get somethingdeadline, whether it's a bat, whether
it's a mid rotation starter. Imean, they've got a lot of question
marks on that rotation saw for Amberveltezget knocked around last night. He hasn't
really been the same guy since lastYear's all star breaks, so they got

(55:02):
to get him going. They don'thave a lot to track. That's gonna
be one of the interesting things totalk about. An imbalanced stream buyers and
sellers. It's going to make itharder for those teams that don't have a
lot of farm process. The Astrosreally can't outdid almost any of the contenders
for talent at the deadline, evenif that talent isn't quite there to be
as appresive as it was last year. But you know, I do still

(55:22):
think the Astros win the division.I would be surprised though, if it
was a runaway. I think atthe start of the year I had them
like ninety eighty eight eighty six atthe top of that division, and I
think it'll be that close. Well, that's why a game like last night
is still big for Seattle. Youget no chance, no chance to win.
Three percent is what the odds weresaying going into the ninth inning,

(55:42):
and three percent chance to win.They pull one out with four runs in
the ninth inning, and those arethose That's what makes baseball fun, Joe,
we talked about earlier in the show. That's what makes sports fun.
Games like that, improbable comebacks andthey happen every now and then. Well
yeah, I mean, as somebodywho's been the Yankee Fantasy was five years
old, maybe less fun for me, but I appreciate that you enjoy anything

(56:02):
that thought was funny about it.What have you been talking about with this
team for all year? Right?The strikeout rate? Yep? And they
go in last night and they getfour runs in the ninth against guys he's
been one of the best closes inbaseball on four singles on set, they
sent nine guys to the plane.They put seven balls in play and two
walks. So this is obviously goingto be fodder for the people that,
oh my god, they gotta putthe ball and playboard. But I still

(56:24):
think it was ironic that a teamthat has done nothing but strike out this
year had its biggest win of theyear based on seven balls and playing the
night and what only two went outof the infield, right, you know,
including a sack fly. So yeah, Clark Schmid goes tonight. What
can you tell us about him goingagainst Brian wu Really a fly ball pitcher
misses a lot of bats. Isone of these guys that you know he'll

(56:45):
he doesn't allow a lot of hitsbecause he puts so many balls in the
air. But home runs have beena problem for him in the past,
not as much this year. Somebodywho Yankee Stadium not a great fit for
him. I think the new baseballsthis year are helping him, whether it's
the baseballs on the Huitor, buthe's been able to keep the ball in
the park more than this here probablyis going to work too deep into the
game. He does control a lotof pitches, but it has been given
good at giving the Yankee six goodearnings and getting into that strung bold Wu

(57:07):
and Schmidt tonight, four o'clock outin Joe's backyard out there in New York.
Yankees and Mariners. Thanks. BeforeI let you go, tell people
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I we'll come back reset the topicsof the day. We got we do.
I did find something the dumbest singlehere today. I did find that.
We'll have that after Mike Sando onthe two o'clock hour daily power Play
at one on ninety three point threekJ FM Live from the R and R

(58:38):
Foundation, specialists broadcast studio back toIan Fernantz, Power Advice, Seattle's closest
sports book, snowp call me Casinoon Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ
R FM. Alrighty, we're backrolling through a Tuesday afternoon. Big thanks

(59:02):
to Joe Sheen for popping on MikeSandal from The Athletic. What a really
cool article today. I thought we'llsummarize it, but I would encourage you
to read it at The Athletic,the Athletic dot com. You wrote a
really cool article today on quarterbacks andthe hit rate for quarterbacks in the first
round. Specifically guys and based onwhere they're picked. Are you the first

(59:24):
quarterback picked? It doesn't matter ifyou're first or first overall, but first
quarterback in the first round, secondquarterback picked in the first round, the
third quarterback picked in the first round, fourth, fifth Since nineteen ninety three.
The hit rate is awful low,and he kind of based his hit
rate on did you sign a secondcontract with a team that drafted you?

(59:45):
And he kind of there's more detailsand nuances than that. I'm over simplifying
a little bit, but I thinkit's a good way to look at it
because we know that here in Seattleas well as anybody about signing second contracts.
This is this team has been adverseto that for a long time.
Very few of their of their draftpicks feel like they sign and even high

(01:00:06):
one sign second contracts along the way. So good stuff from Michael. Talked
to him. Coming up at twoo'clock today Daily power Play, we'll update
you on cracking coaching search. What'shappening there that's coming up at one forty
five plus the locally headed the ConferenceFinals. Our topic today before I go
back, I got a little Seahawkthing I want to hit on a second,
but our topic today four nine fourfive one tell them rue text line

(01:00:29):
when it's game time time that Iwant you guys fire off. Last night
was a memorable one for your SeattleMariners and came from behind a three percent
chance. That's MLB's stats not minethree percent win probability rate going into the
ninth inning. They came back towin. I freely admit I did not
watch the ninth inning, not becauseI was, you know, doubting the

(01:00:52):
Mariners or anything like that. Ijust felt like, at four to one,
I'd rather watch Game seven of theStanley Cup playoffs between the Vancouver Canucks
and the Edmonton Oilers. And soI watched that, and then I saw
later that the Mariners came from behind, and I went, damn, that
would have been fun to watch,but I'm making a choice. I made

(01:01:13):
a choice. Well, my questionto you guys is this four nine,
four to five one text us orsend us a voice text. All you
have to do is go to theiHeartRadio app red microphone fire away. Where
you go? What game did youturn off too soon? Or did you
this would be the fun one leavetoo soon? What game did you turn

(01:01:35):
off too soon? What game didyou leave too soon? That He went
back and said, man, Iregret that I wish I would not have
done that. I missed out onX Y and Z just brought up people
leaving the NFC Championship game in Januaryof twenty fifteen. I guess right,
Yeah, would have been twenty fourteenseason. Yeah, twenty fifteen. People
leaving the NFC Championship game early whenthe Seahawks trailed the Packers. That would

(01:01:58):
be a good one. But what'sthe game you turned off or left early?
And when people bring it up,you kind of want to say,
oh, yeah, I was there, but I wasn't there because there are
those games that were like two hundredthousand people attended X game X, right,
like I was there, everyone was. Now you weren't there, So
what or more importantly, what gamedid you just turn off? So I

(01:02:19):
go with that, all right.I have not hit on this. I
kind of avoided it. I justbecause the guy himself. I just I'm
not a fan. I just Ijust I'm done. I time to move
on. I didn't like and I'mI'm honest with you, guys. I
think I'm pretty honest with you guys. Like I just told you turned the
game off last night. I'm notgonna say I watched. I'm I'm honest
with this too. I did notlike the Jamal Adams trade when it was

(01:02:43):
made, and we debated that hereat this station a lot and you know,
it happened during the pandemic, andit was the only good thing about
it was is it happened during thepandemic, and it gave us a lot
of conversation. Yeah, not alot going on, but I remember,
I remember our station was really spliton those who liked the trade and those

(01:03:05):
who didn't like the trade. Ididn't like the trade for what it gave
up. I thought it gave upway way too much. Yeah, and
draft capital, and I just didn'tAnd and part of why I didn't love
the trade, which for Jamal Adams, was not just the equity that they
gave up. I just I alsofreely admitted I cover the Seahawks every week.
I hadn't watched a lot of NewYork Jets footballer and watched Jamal Adams.

(01:03:28):
I'm thinking, you know, ishe just one of these hype trains
because he's playing for New York?Is he that good? He wasn't all
pro. I get that. Ijust didn't know enough about him, and
so I but my I leaned towardsIt was an uneducated opinion in some ways,
but I kind of leaned towards Ijust didn't like the trade, just
for I just don't like giving upthat kind of draft capital. But you

(01:03:49):
know it's Hindsight's always twenty twenty andlook back on it, and you know,
those of us that didn't like thetrade looks smarter now. The problem
with the trade was because I didthink that they had to re sign him.
I think once you sunk the sunkencost at that point, I thought
you had to re sign him.And they did, and that looks even
worse than the trade itself. Butyou had to once you put all that

(01:04:12):
into the trade, you pretty muchdidn't do it for a year. You
had to get him to an extension. But I think we saw signs of
Jamal being Jamal early on. Youknow, he was kind of holding out
this and that I mean just Butthe fact is he's played thirty four sixty
seven regular season games since coming here. He's played roughly half of the games.

(01:04:33):
Now, guys don't want to gethurt, but guys do get hurt
or can't stay healthy, and he'sbeen one of those guys. He's played
ten games in the last two seasons, ten out of thirty four regular season
games. If you want to addthe playoff game, he's played ten out
of thirty five in the last twoseasons. He played twelve and twelve his

(01:04:54):
first two years. One was asixteen game season, that was a seventeen
game season and missed playoff game.He has not been there when you've needed
him. But more importantly, andI bring this up because he's meeting today,
reportedly visiting the Baltimore Ravens, andthere are many who think that he
would fit into what Seattle's doing withMike McDonald. First of all, we
don't know what Mike McDonald's doing.We can base it on watching what Baltimore

(01:05:16):
did, but that personnel was differentthan the personnel he has here. But
let's just take Jamal Adams for whatit is. I don't know. I
don't want him back for this reason. And this is probably just petty and
silly in a sense, but Ijust don't want that guy representing the Seattle
Seahawks. I grew up in thistown. I grew up following the Seahawks.

(01:05:41):
Yeah, I got to cover him, but if I'm honest, I
was a fan. I grew upa fan of the sex. I don't
want this guy in any way,shape or form around the football team.
I think he what he did lastyear, how he's handled himself, the
stuff of the reporter and the reporter'swife. I just I think there's some
lines you just don't cross. Ijust don't want this guy a part of
who and what the Seattle Seahawks areand rooted for him last year. Hell,
I defended him on on the hitthat he got the concussion and snapped

(01:06:03):
on the on the red hat.I was there, I watched it.
You know, it was just itwas a bad football play that he made.
He certainly didn't want to hurt hishead. But I remember defending on
him on that when Yeah, partof it is guys don't learn, they
just don't tackle anymore. And he'scoming back and timing and all that,
but afterwards all this stuff. No, man, I don't want the guy

(01:06:24):
here. I don't know if hehad a more polarizing athlete in our town
in a long time than Jamal Adams. And when he was let go,
people celebrated here. So when youhear the little rumblings in the rumor as
well, you know, maybe theSeahawks are kicking the hires on Jamal Adams.
Maybe they'll bring them back. MaybeMike McDonald can do something with them
all those things. Sure, MikeMcDonald might be able to. I'm by

(01:06:46):
all accounts he's a sensational, defensive, coaching, defensive mind. I just
don't want him here. I thoughtPete was too though, you know,
and so for him to be soI don't know, blah, Well,
in his time here, you know, he had some big hit It's obviously
you know, his career prior tocoming to Seattle speaks for itself. But
you know, he unapologetically he didnot walk back his steps when it came

(01:07:13):
to criticizing the reporter's wife and reallydidn't just did not apologize for it and
made these statements and and that wasjustified in doing something so inappropriate, and
that was and that was I thinkthat just shows the character somebody, right.
And you know, like listen,the NFL is not filled with you
know guys that are you know,choir boys. I mean, you want

(01:07:36):
that. You want a little JimMoore term here, You want a little
dirt bagging guys. You want someedge, yeah, you do, you
want some of that. It's ait's a violent sport. It's a violent
sport played by grown ass men thatis very physical in nature and you need
to have a little bit of that. But there's this guy. This guy
just feels different in so many differentways. You know, to talk about,

(01:07:57):
Wow, maybe you could play likea will linebacker or something like that.
Well, if he could, hewould have done that before, Like
I would have put that faith intoPete Carroll when he had you know,
he kind of did last year alittle bit before he got you know,
when he did come back briefly andall that. I just I didn't want
him here. I hope he signswith the Ravens. Hell go have a
great career, do you you doyou? I hope he signs with the
Ravens. I just don't want himhere. I don't want him. I

(01:08:19):
think there's a reason you got ridof him in the first place, not
just financial. So I don't wanthim here four nine four to five one.
And give me your thoughts as well. But when every time his name
pops up, is he visiting somewhereelse? Is there a chance to come
back to Seattle, it starts kindof all those ripple effects go on again.
I haven't talked about him yet.I just don't I want him to
go away. And uh, andI think the Seahawks are a better organization

(01:08:43):
without him here. And you'd imaginethat Mike McDonald wants a fresh start too,
you know, like, let's notre tried someone who already proved to
be a problem. Yeah, andin a lot of ways, let Julian
Love lead this team from the secondaryand without that stuff. And I know
Julian had the stuff last year withthe Cigars, I get it, But
I just I think there's a goodplayer and a true leader in there that
they can maybe blossom now without himand Digs there, and I'd look forward

(01:09:05):
to seeing that as well. Allright, four nine, four to five
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last night beat New York took thefirst game of their series, five to
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(01:10:14):
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(01:10:55):
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Welcome back in Sports Radio ninety threepoint three kjr FM. Two o'clock
hour. Infanets with you and andevery down. Then open up the Old
Athletic and I love going there.We got so many friends from the Athletic
we have on the show, andguys like Stuart Mandel and this guy Mike
Sando. How are you, sir? I'm doing well. How are you
doing that? I'm good. Thedraft is over, Mini camps, OTAs,

(01:12:04):
all that fun stuff's going on rightnow. And I saw a story
to you wrote a story today whydrafting a first round quarterback is worse than
a coin flip unless you're the Bears. Is the is the headline of the
story in The Athletic. I willurge people to read it. It's in
totality, but man, I justlove this. It basically kind of talks
about first round quarterbacks or the firstquarterbacks picked and then the chance to resign

(01:12:28):
them, are they successes or not? And all that. And we'll get
some of the takeaways in a moment. But I love the premise of the
story and I'll get into it whyI liked it in a second. But
what got you to write this?Yeah? So, you know, six
quarterbacks in the first twelve picks thisyear, right so, as I was
doing my post draft kind of conversationswith people in the league, you know,
one of the executive from a teamwas like, hey, if you're

(01:12:50):
New England and you're getting the thirdquarterbacks, like, what are you really
getting? Right? And you loveDrake May, but is there any I
mean, why not back and getthe fourth or fifth? Is there really
any difference? That I thought,well, you know, we can find
this out, you know. SoI thought, okay, let's just take
all the first round quarterbacks for thirtyyears and then see, okay, does

(01:13:12):
the first one pick to you know, succeed more than the second, than
the third and the fourth. Andreally the takeaway was that if if you
get the first quarterback in a draft, and especially if he's number one overall,
you've got about there's about a twiceas big of a chance that your
team's gonna end up re signing themas far as compared to the eder guys.
So I thought that was just kindof interesting, you know, showing

(01:13:35):
that, Okay, there probably issomething too, a little bit of the
consensus of a guy at the toplike Caleb Williams, who the Bears took,
and then you know, quite abit lower odds for the other ones
after that. And that's why Ilike the story. I pre draft and
people listening to the show, Iwas just hesitant. You know, as
a draft process, the pre draftprocess is going on, and everyone's you

(01:13:58):
know, people excited about quarterback.I understand that. We're all listen.
It's the sexiest position, not justin the NFL, but maybe in sports.
It's exciting. Everybody wants the bigshiny toy that throws the football through
a brick wall and can run youknow, a four to three and all
those things that we want to seein a quarterback, a franchise quarterback.
You have to have a franchise quarterbackto win a Super Bowl, all the
different things, especially on a rookiecontract. And I remember I talked about

(01:14:20):
it a lot. In fact,they do this every year because as we
know in our town, Mike,the Seahawks just they haven't drafted quarterbacks.
They drafted Russ and then they draftedAlex Magoo and that's where the list ends.
And my point I was always there'sa reason for that, and one
of those reasons is the hit rateisn't always as high as maybe people think
it should be. Let me startwith the first quarterback drafted because and you

(01:14:43):
kind of went with extension and thenmaybe I'll have you explained that first.
In terms of the extension rate,that's kind of what you based on,
right, Like signing that second contractis would kind of say that's a good
pick, a successful pick. Well, yeah, and there's a few of
them that were reaches when they resigned. So you got to look at you
know, when when you know,like a Jacksonville resigned Blake portals. So
you sent that off to the side. But I think what it means is

(01:15:05):
that if you resign a guy,they're not a complete failure. You've won
with him, right, You've hadsome success with them. And so for
I think the resigned rate for thefirst quarterback drafted in the first round was
fifty seven percent of twenty eight andit was a little higher twelve of eighteen
two thirds of the time if itwas the first pick in the draft.

(01:15:27):
So to have it be you knowin that let's just say roughly sixty percent
range. Uh, and then tohave it be you know in the thirty
percent range, thirty to thirty fivepercent range for the second, third,
fourth to sixth quarterback drafted in aclass in the first round is a big
drop. So you know, there'shuge upsides still at the position if you
hit on a guy, and Ithink for Seattle, you know, like

(01:15:49):
most of these teams, if youlove a guy at that position, you
usually do it, you know.And I think that's why they took Russell
Wilson. John Schneider loved him.They they did like Andy Dalton in his
draft too, and they didn't lovethem enough to do it, but they
liked him. They considered taking themthere, and I think they're off at
the mine. Coach wanted to takeJames Carpenter to bolster the line, so

(01:16:11):
you know, they went that direction. I think this year it would have
been really interesting locally if some ofthose quarterbacks, especially Panics, were available
when Seattle was on the clock.You know, the draft ended up kind
of being out Seattle from having tolive with Okay, what if one of
those guys totally hits and then youknow you could have taken them and didn't.

(01:16:32):
Right, they're all gone by twelve. I don't think anybody saw these
quarterbacks as being so good that ateam like Seattle that has Geno Smith,
that got Sam Howell on the cheap, should, like, you know,
give up a top defensive player tradeup for the thirty percent hit rate.
Guy, You know, that justwouldn't have made sense for them. But

(01:16:56):
you know, if two or threeof them had been there and teams right
around him are taking them, Ithink it would have bit more of a
conversation, you know among fans MikeSando joining us the first round quarterback extension
rate, and I'll have you explainin a second. While you started in
ninety three, but ninety three throughtwenty twenty two, the total first round
extension rate for quarterbacks is forty percent. Thirty one of seventy seven quarterbacks drafted

(01:17:19):
in the first round have been extended. Like you said, there are some
outliers in there. Blake Portals maybethe top of the list as a guy
that was extended along the way.Fifty seven percent for the first quarterback draft
doesn't mean first overall, just anybodyin the first round of the first quarterback
drafted in that particular draft. Secondquarterback drafted thirty five percent hit rate eight

(01:17:39):
of twenty three, third quarterback fiveto sixteen, thirty one percent, and
then the drop off is significant.Combined fourth and fifth are combined two for
ten along the way, and neverhas there been the sixth quarterback in that
time period drafted in the first round. So the takeaway Mike would be you're
taking a pretty good risk. Thenif you're not taking one of the first

(01:18:01):
two, maybe even three guys inthat first round, yes, yeah,
your odds get longer. You know, Look, it's hard for people to
evaluate quarterbacks. We know that somuch goes into the position and how you're
wired, and you know how you'regoing to respond to just the enormity of
the task. But the odds ofhaving that guy hit, I think it

(01:18:24):
shows that the teams don't know fullywhat they're doing, but they have a
general idea. Right, It getsworse after you get go from the first
guy. That's what you'd expect unlessit was totally random. So this shows
you it's just not completely random thatthe top guy usually is the top guy
for a reason. After that,you know, you think you do get
a lot more reaches. And Ithink it's become easier to reach on that

(01:18:45):
position in the last roughly fifteen yearsbecause in twenty eleven, they you know,
made it cheaper to have rookie thefirst round picks didn't cost as much
money. So now when you takea bow Nix at number twelve like Denver
did. Yeah, it's a bigcommitment, but it's not what the twelfth
pick would have cost relative to thesalary cap in two thousand and eight,

(01:19:09):
right, So I think that's whywe've probably seen it seems like we've seen
a few more pushed up lately.Right, even put guys push up to
number one, you know in thatJared Goff Carson Wentz here, they were
good, But I think those guyswould normally be like you'd see him as
like a middle of the first roundgrade. Right. But if you're able
to get those guys and not totallymortgage your whole cap forever, like,

(01:19:32):
I think that makes it easier forteams to kind of reach what And people
ask Mike Sander joining to see itfrom the FLA, why start in nineteen
ninety three when you went back anddid this research? So yeah, ninety
three to the is win free agencystarted in the NFL. It's kind of
the modern era of the current systemthat we have now. Like I said,
it had a big tweak in twentyeleven with the salaries, but I
thought it was a long enough timeto get a good number of quarterbacks.

(01:19:57):
And we've heard of them. Youknow, we've seen a lot of them,
and you know, when you seethe names of a guy you know
from that era, you know ifthey succeeded or not. Right where it's
not like ancient history where you haveto be super old to know you know.
No, then I think it's thirtyyear periods just a nice yeah,

(01:20:17):
far enough back, not too farto where the game is just completely totally
different. I just looked through thelist here not re signed to the first
quarterback taken in a draft, andI think this is the cautionary tale,
right, Kenny Pickett, Baker Mayfield, Mitch Trubisky, Jameis Winston, e
j Manuel Sam Bradford, he waspart of He was the last big first

(01:20:39):
quarterback taken, big money guy beforethey changed the CPA, CBA, JaMarcus
Russell, Vince Young, David Carr, Tim Kouch, Jim Drunken Miller,
and Heath Schuler. Like that shouldgive you a shimmer down your spine if
you're an NFL executive, Like,even if you're taking the very first guy,
it's scary, right, it does. Remember in the re signed group,
beyond some really good ones, it'slike Andrew Luck or Joe Burrow or

(01:21:00):
Peyton Manning. You know some ofthose guys there's even some question. But
you know, Kyler Murray resigned.Is that a good deal? Right?
It's you know, j Goff signedand he had gone to the Super Bowl
with I mean, he's had anice career, but they tried to get
out of it. Yeah, andthey traded him. So yeah, I
mean they you can tell what theythought they traded. Yeah, some of
the other ones weren't. Like thetrue number of superstar guys is even lower

(01:21:24):
than that, right, Yeah.Yeah, Well, I mean Chad Pennington
we got re signed u S.Steve Mcner's good player, So that's the
one. But Chad Pennington and BlakeBortals the two guys that kind of the
very first guys that were selected.You kind of go and I'm you know,
the Kyler Murray's I think it's agreat one because you know, there's
I think the jury is still outon him, and that's kind of the
hard part, right they were kindof between a rock and a hard place.

(01:21:46):
There's you see flashes, but there'sstill there's still some question marks.
I mean, I guess that themore terrifying list might be the second guy
pick because you know, I mean, like I'm looking through this list,
Zach Wilson, Marcus Mariota, JohnnyManzell, Jake Locker, Tim Tebow,
Brady Quinn, Our Buddy, RyanLeaf, et cetera. I mean that's

(01:22:06):
even scarier. It's tough. Itis really tough. Yep, yep.
So I think it's just good,good knowledge to have, right it is.
Wahlberg doesn't mean that you're never goingto draft one. You know,
you take a risk to get again, but know the odds going in,
you know, when you aren't convictedon somebody and just sort of need
a quarterback. I think I thinkwhat it does show is that, you

(01:22:28):
know, if you look at youknow, at the end of the day,
out of those six guys drafted andyou brought up the Seahawks. I
mean, Schneider said it after ashe told you when we were talking to
him on Saturday afternoon. He says, like, man, like twelve guys,
six guys and twelve picks, likehe was surprised, Like he was
like damn, which kind of didmake me wonder if they would have taken
a guy, you know, likelike the way he kind of answered that
question along the way, Mike,Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

(01:22:50):
It's it's harder to it's it's it'sit's revisionist history. But it's a great
article. Go check it out.Uh, the Athletic the Athletic dot com,
although now it says ny Times dotCOM's last athletics like I got yeah,
do I have a New York Timesnow too? Good? Well?
Yeah, yeah, you know,the Athletic was bota the New York Times,
and so that's a new thing towhere the Athletic dot com still works

(01:23:11):
if you go there, but it'llreriute it the New York Times though it's
a new thing this week. Ilove it. I love it. I
just clicked no, I hope youdon't. You're a two five three guy,
by the way, I just Ijust hit to awesome on my what
I thought of the thing, Soyou know, hey, cool than Usually
I try to do it where youneed where I want them to you to
work a little bit harder, butI just put awesome on it. So
you should be good that guys,Seattle gave you an awesome Finally, you

(01:23:32):
must be doing good work. Mike, Thank you so much. We'll talk
again. Hey, thank you.I Mike Guesstando. The story is up
at the Athletic on the NFL page. I'll take it a step further and
listen. By no means am Iadvocating and saying you should never draft the
quarterback. But I think what itdoes show. And we've talked about this
with Hugh before and others, youknow that finding the quarterback is it's the

(01:23:57):
hard It might be the hardest thingin terms of roster building in any sport
is finding the franchise quarterback. Itjust is really just very very difficult.
Even if there seems to be aconsensus on a guy, it's really hard
as well. He might put togethera list at the end of the story.
You can go read the complete one, but it ranked quarterbacks drafted from

(01:24:21):
ninety three to twenty eighteen, whichis that gives teams, you know,
these guys at time to develop theirthird through their six seasons, which is
their Pro Football Reference as an approximatevalue metric, which does a good job
of kind of evaluating these guys,and it just shows, like, who
are the top quarterbacks since ninety threeto twenty eighteen in terms of guys drafted

(01:24:44):
in that first round? Josh Allenis actually number one. Patrick Mahomes is
number two. Philip Rivers Peyton Manninghis career was cut short with injuries,
but Dante Culpeper is five. MattRyan was an MVP. He is six,
so is camp Newton. He wasseven, so was Lamar Jackson.
He's tied for seventh. Matthew Stafford, Donovan McNabb, Andrew Lux, Steve

(01:25:05):
McNair, Jared Goff, Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers will get to you in
a second. Is ranked thirteenth,by the way. But then you can
start going down the list, andthe list drops off pretty significantly of guys
drafted in the first round and whattheir actual value was according to Pro Football

(01:25:25):
Reference. You start getting into theI mean, there got JP Losman was
a first round pick. You kiddingme? Wow, I haven't heard that
name in a minute. I meanJoey Joey Harrington. I mean, there's
some guys on this in the firstround, guys that were just awful,
like just brutal along the way.I'm just trying to find like the worst

(01:25:47):
of the top fifteen. I mean, Carson Wentz is twenty second. You
know, he was good until injurieskind of took its toll. Jay Cutler
twentieth. He did resign though,by the way, David Carr no,
Trent Dill for No. Jason Campbell, Jameis Winston. These are all first
round picks. Carry Collins, JoshFreeman, Joeye, Tim Couch. Yeah,

(01:26:10):
the list is ugly hard to findthat guy, really hard to find
the guy. Okay, we've beendoing it. It may or may not
happen every day. It may ormay not happen every day. But when
we stumble across something that just soundsa little too stupid for our for to
be ignored, we're gonna play it. I have a feeling now that he's

(01:26:32):
back and practicing this, you're gonnahear some sound in a second from Aaron
Rodgers after OTA's But I have afeeling this guy might make a regular appearance,
which I'll be excited for. Prettyhe's usually good for it. He
truly is. Remember he was gonnarun on a ticket for president along the

(01:26:53):
way hit the open study in forestShow probably presents ignorance that it's finest until
Softy hits the air A special partof your day where intelligence takes the segment
off. If it sounds stupid,it probably is, ladies and gentlemen,

(01:27:14):
the dumbest thing y'll hear today.Real no brainer. How seriously, thanks
getting with r PA about being hisrunning name. Obviously be having a chance
to talk, he says, thatcame out watch. Yeah, I love
Bobby. We had a couple ofreally nice conversations. But there are really
two options. It was retired andbes VP or keep playing. And I

(01:27:41):
want to keep playing. So Ilistened to that and watched it and thought
to myself, it can't be true. Like he had I was waiting for
the punchline, was waiting for theI'm just kidding. I was never going
to run for I was never gonnabe on Robert Kennedy's ticket. I was
never going to be a vice presidentialcandidate. I was never gonna I was
waiting for that. It didn't happen. Dude believes he could have run for

(01:28:05):
VP. I wonder, you knowhow he likes to mess with the media
too and act like they're making abig deal. I still have a one
to five percent chance in the backof my brain that he was doing that
just so that tomorrow he can scoffat the media for even taking him seriously,
even though he'll say stuff and whenhe gets negative feedback, he'll make
fun of the media for taking itseriously when he actually was serious or I

(01:28:29):
tend to think he was. Buthe really thinks that I really think he
died. Yeah, I yes,like like that's that's the craziest thing of
all. I you know, hecould. You know, he's old enough.
You gotta be thirty five to runfor president in the States, and
you know, as a vice president, you gotta be thirty five at least,

(01:28:50):
right because you could be you're onebad thing away from happening to be
thirty five, but to be thepresident. But yeah, he actually the
king of can conspiracy theories thinks thathe is going to I mean he's he's
denied some of them. The SandyHook elementary thing that that was just like

(01:29:11):
beyond gross and disgusting. He's deniedsome things along the way. But it
doesn't take much to google search AaronRodgers conspiracy and and just be absolutely floored
by by where this guy's mind isat. So, yeah, he thought
he was gonna he was serious.He was absolutely serious. Now Robert Kennedy
Junior was going to be on anindependent ticket, and as we all know,

(01:29:31):
in this country, with the waythe system works, you would never
win. So but watching him runwould have been I guess maybe entertaining.
I'd probably be more entertaining than watchingthe Jets on four No six, Right,
they have six primetime games. Theyhave like a ton They got the
most, I think, yeah,like a record number of primetime games.
So yeah, dumbest thing. Ihonestly didn't think we're going to have a

(01:29:55):
dumbest single here today. I didn'tthink we would. And then it would
be one. And then there wasa guy that I'm just thinking must have
had won too many mushrooms at Berkeleywhen he was there. That's all I
can think of. We'll take abreak, come back, get your thoughts.
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