May 15, 2024 • 24 mins
Zach and Brent of Shinedown had a candid talk with Otis about being the "most successful rock band of all time" according to Billboard, the single "Symptom Of Being Human" and what it means to them and fans... and you may not have guessed it but Zach is a BIG Taylor Swift fan!
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Power one oh five point three.It's otis excited to have one of my
favorite bands shine down. Uh.Just I got really into you guys when
Second Chance was exploding and that wasa huge song for y'all. And now
you're back at pop radio with thissymptom of being human. You've had four
number one singles off this album.Uh. But I think the cooler stat
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that I just found out about herewe go, let's get it is that
you have the most number one songsin rock history? Is that true?
And the Billboard that that's an incredibleI mean to think of rock history,
but you got fake Yeah, yeah, it feels fake right, like the
Beatles, led Zeppelin, Italica shineDown. Like what I call it monopoly
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money, because like it feels reallygood to walk around within your pocket,
but then when you got to tryto spend it, it's still not real
money. It's like I say thatall the time, Like, people go,
you have more number ones than TomPetty. I'm like, yeah,
but he's Tom Petty, and I'mso you know, I mean, it's
very strained possible. It's it's stillthe biggest honor ever to say you have
more number ones than anyone in theworld on a billboard tart, because when
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you were younger, the billboard chartwas everything. Yeah, so to say
that you got twenty three number one, like it's it's it's unbelievable. But
to think of where you're at nowand how much you still have to go,
that's the whole point. We're justgetting started. Like you say,
Tom Petty, you that's gonna beShinedown is going to be the name that
my kids are saying, like,man, my dad used to listen to
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Shinedown and that that band was incredible. Yeah, I mean I think that
we keep it, man, wetry to keep it full one hundred.
We're proud of the last twenty years. But it's about what are we doing
today and tomorrow and what's the nexttwenty look like. So there's always an
evolution with us, absolutely, andthe things you guys are doing for your
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fans and uh, it's mental healthAwareness month, so what they do a
lot for us too, just soyou know, they've allowed us to be
put on this platform that we takevery seriously absolutely symptom of being human justs
and to a deep soul level.I'm sure to these fans, I know,
just me listening to it and thebattles I've been through, I can
hear myself in the words of thewalls are burning down. You know,
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you just feel like you're not supposedto be in this place. Yeah,
but it's a song that is supposedto remind you that we're all a work
in progress. I mean, that'spart of being alive. And I mean
just being on the journey itself ispart of the battle sometimes where you're always
going to have different obstacles presented toyou in your journey. And it was
a song that that happened pretty quicklywhen we wrote it, and I think
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that it needed. I think itwas a very necessary song for us at
the time that we wrote it.We wrote it in the midst of the
pandemic. But look, I mean, I think that in the age of
you know, where we are nowwith social media and the awareness of everything,
and that there's platforms everywhere and everybodyhas a sounding board. You know,
we have you know kids, youknow, we have sons, mine
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sixteen, his are younger than mine, but and Barry has a daughter.
We try to at least from wherewe because my son has social media,
we allow him to have it butwe have to make sure that he understands
that he's in control of the device. The device doesn't need to be in
control of him. So when youhave a song like Symptom, the response
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that we've gotten from people is justthat the song is almost like a reset
for them to remind them that listen, yeah, it's gonna be okay.
It's not always going to be perfect. But if everything was smooth all the
time, you know, you gotto do hard things, you got to
get uncomfortable. But I think thatpeople just resonate with the song because they
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find themselves in it. Absolutely.Is there a fan story that stands out
to you, maybe not even justthis song, but as you've toured,
as you've gone across the country,that stands out to you that really kind
of resonated with you when you hearit back from a fan, and how
they connect it to a song ora moment with you guys, I don't
know if there's a to me likebeing in front of them on stage playing
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this song in particular, is isa moment like every single night that we
play it, I would you knowthere'd be We have we have this elongated
stage that was pretty much in theround and so you're surrounded by fans.
It's not just one row of thefirst row, Like the whole place feels
like the first row. That's amazing. So you're noticing all these people go
through this song, watching their theband that they love play it in front
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of them in real time, andyou get to share it with them.
And there was nights where I like, I'm losing it on stage just because
I know that I got things thatI'm going through it. I know that
this person's going through something completely different. But the intermingling, the intersection of
that is music and the intersection ofthat is lyrics. So to me,
like that's again we always say everybodytalks about beautiful music is but the fact
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that two people can go be goingthrough two different things and meet in the
middle of this song and you know, I don't know what this parton.
You know, I don't know whatthey're what what the reason they're crying for
is another reason why I am infront of fifteen thousand people, but like,
I don't know why they are,but we met in the middle there
me like the story is when yousee these people go through it live.
I always say, we have thebest job in the world because you could
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say an actor, you could saysomebody, but to me, an actor
makes the movie and then walks away. They don't get to be in every
theater in the world and see it. Like we get to watch what something
that we wrote in a you know, a twenty by twenty room does in
real time, and it resonates atdifferent times. The beauty about songs in
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general is that they can evolve forthe listener over time to things that when
you were younger and a teenager,certain songs that you have a meaning when
you're younger as opposed to like whenyou get older, it can mean something
different. So there's always an evolution. I know we talk about that a
lot, but that's really the beautyof music. There's no other art form
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that I know of where you know, a song is written, it's recorded,
and then it's presented. But youplay it every night. Yeah,
you want to try to play itto the best of your ability the way
that you recorded it. But there'sev and flow and then there's different ways
of playing. A lot of times, like we're known as this quote unquote
rock band, but rock and rollis really a spirit. It's more of
a community than anything. It's notjust a genre of music. So a
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lot of times when we're writing asong, we're writing it the lyric and
the melody is a focal point.So a lot of it is written on
an acoustic and sometimes a piano.So you always transpose it after, you
know, you take all the bellsand whistles off of it and strip it
back down, you know, canyou still present it in a very real,
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organic form and just cut to thecore of what it's about. You
know, we can doll it upand put all the fancy stuff on it
make it sound big, but whenyou can strip it back down, it
just has different lives. Absolutely,and with music is the universal language.
I mean, you pretty much saidit like it was my every emotion growing
up. It's why I'm tattooed withmusic all over my body, because every
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emotion that I've had is there's somesort of song or moment that I've had
is some sort of song attached toit. And that's what's incredible. Plus,
you guys are using real instrumentation nowadays, which isn't happening in a lot
of music. We also started writingsongs because it's cheaper than therapy. Yeah,
yes, therapy is expensive these days. You also created a hot sauce
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that goes along with the song I'veheard symptom chipotle garlic. Yes, it's
it's weird. I've never heard sayingthat to go along with the You're right,
that's actually correct. You're thinking,you know what, this is a
great emotion, make people cry ina different way. Yeah, No,
it's honestly like we don't you know, there's so many hot sauce out there
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that are hot to hurt you.And we were like, man, Barry
our drummer is him and I havebeen cooking our whole lives him even longer
than I have, and he loveshot sauce. He makes his yea,
he makes his own sauce every day, or make his own hot sauce.
So when this got started and broughtto us, it was we knew it
was gonna be him that did it. And it was like it wasn't what
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we're proud of too, is Itwasn't like, hey, here's five hot
sauces that we've already made. We'llput your label on one of these.
Like we we did this from theground up, and mostly Barry By we
and so he would. You know, he's got crazy flavor profiles that he
went through with. He's got probablyone hundred bottles at his house. Whether
he's like, all right, alittle bit more of two and a little
bit less of six and I cantaste the cayenne and this one. Can
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you bring that down? That's youknow. So it was really a project
from the from the beginning, andwe got two more coming out this year.
So I love it. Did youguys bring in me? Because I
was gonna not have Yes, wedid. Shit have had a three doors
down autographed bottle for quite some time, and now I need to sh I
didn't know if there was no bastards. I didn't know that. I don't
know if it still exists, butI have a bottle of their I wouldn't
try it if it's been that long. I was gonna say, I think
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we do? We do? Wehave hot sauce. Yes, all right,
there you have it confirmed weed that, But now we know that we
need to start bringing h any otherrealms of merch or you know, food
or anything that you've considered or isthis kind of a first jump into like
that run The Barry also owns acoffee company. Yeah, Berry owns a
coffee company on Spartan Bruce, Soyeah, I think we'll we'll kind of
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venture out. We Barry and Ilove being created with food, and I
started a thing called st Limited duringCOVID with Shine Down stuff that was like
basically lifestyle Shine doown merch and athleticShineown merch. And it doesn't say shine
Down anywhere on it, so thisthis was actually a real merch item.
But yeah, we did the STILimited thing and it was just something that
was really cool and sold amazingly.So we'll probably bring that back out at
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some point. I mean, weyou know, any it's being creative in
any form of facet. To meis where honestly, as I got older,
I felt like I had like alull in my early thirties of laziness
when it came to creativity. Andnow I'm just like, I want to
create in every way I can,in any way I can. Absolutely,
Yeah, that's I mean, that'sthe creative brain. We can absolutely can't
stop doing it no matter what potsauce or clothes or music or whatever.
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All right, let's go into yourmusic. Two albums that you couldn't Live
Without. I just did this forSpin magazine. Someone take two of those
five. Uh. Number one isgonna be my all time favorite, which
is Joshua Tree. And then Ithink number two. I'm gonna go,
uh Arrested Development three months? Yeah. They he's from here, They're from
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here. Yeah guy uh uh manman, hold on, trivia, hold
on, take me to another.Yes, I know his name. She
says it in the song too.We're gonna look at We're gonna have to
look that up. Sorry. Ishould have known it because I just shook
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his hands, like, Man,I love that record so much. I'm
I use this like grailed to buya bunch of like vintage clothes and stuff
like that. And I've bought likea bunch of vintage old like country shirts
on there and stuff. And I'vebeen looking for an Arrested Development shirt and
like the cheapest one on there islike four hundred dollars. Yeah, they
didn't make a lot of merch,I guess back in the day. Yeah
there you go. Yeah, Iguess. Man, my god, Uh
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only two sure or you can gono, I mean if you did too,
I'll do to keep it it too, Okay. Sound Garden Super Unknowne
just out of the gate and anythingwith Otis Redding all right, I like,
of course, I like Otis Reddingmy name too. Yeah, not
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a lot of artists named Otis.Dude. You brought up Petty earlier.
That's one that I would definitely puton my list of Let me ask you
this thing because this has been abig discussion amongst my friend group lately.
What female side though, I gottasay Amy Whine else Yeah, yeah,
sorry. Top three American rock bands. Oh it's tough when you say specifically
American. Yeah, don't say usLincoln Park Okay, okay for me,
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I wasn't expecting that. No,that that there's something about Lincoln Part nothing
but bangers. Oh ude, there'snothing. He's not a bad song.
Even I was listening that was listeningtheir very last record. Cautious of this
because I'm gonna forget somebody that's incredible. You will guaranteed, That's okay,
that's what it's just like off thecuff, you guaranteed you will rock band.
So Petty's that's two. What didyou say? Five? Three?
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Three? Okay, that's that's maybethink Card Motley Crue. Okay, okay,
what about on the female side.Rock. Uh, there's a lot,
Okay, Yeah, I did mystepdad sleeper rocker, Dude the best.
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Yeah, and Paramore only because Iwatched I watched the full the last
two nights and I watched it todude, she's funny enough crushing the car
in the car the other my kidsfour nights in Paris, Taylor Swift and
Paramore opened his opening. Yeah,dude, she's she sounds in her best
form. Hayley Williams like, rightnow, i't realize, like how that
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she really is. It's great.We were in the car yesterday and the
day before we were in the car. We're listening to music, and anytime
ain't it fun comes on, Iwill dance my ass off full un concert,
whether someone's in the car or not. And I mean dancing, don't
care who sees me. So itcame on with my kids in the car
that I was like, Hey,the only rule is when the song comes
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on, you have to dance.So the next day we get in the
car and my my middle son Averywas like, da, who's that girl
the girl song? Who's the girlsong? I go, buddy. I
listened to a thousand girl singers like, I don't know which one you're talking
about. He goes, He goes, the one you asked was Taylor if
it was Taylor Swift and he goes, yeah, and I still couldn't remember
who. And he goes, shehas orange hair. I go, oh,
Paramore. So now Avery in thelast forty eight hours obsessed with Paramile
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to go back to my question forme, I'm gonna say it's tough,
petty number one, Lenyard's Skinnard.Yeah, Aerosmith, that's my top missed.
I told you you're gonna open whenyou say American specifically, you're always
gonna miss you miss like Aerosmith.Yeah, yeahs all the time. You're
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like, oh yeah, I forgotabout this man. I know about this
guy. Yeah, I mean I'vegot I got his autograph on a guitar
when he was on American Idol.Yeah. That was a cool era for
me. Steven Tyler all right,Uh, since we talked about in Paramore,
not that that's an odd one,but like, what's something on your
playlist that make shock your fans oror be like oh really on my spears,
Oh everything on my playlist fast Ilistened to, I listened to,
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I don't listen to rock music veryoften. I mean, I'm listening a
lot of singer songwriter stuff. Maybethat would shock. He's one person that
I know, Like he said thisthe other day, and it does make
total sense. He listens to sadmusic to be put in a good mood.
Okay, it's a very interesting thing. He listened to John Marin.
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He's in the best mood. Yeah. If I'm sad and I listen to
sad guy, I'm like, listen, I'm sad as this guy. Do
you have a torture poets Department favoritea torture post? Yeah? I love
my life? Okay, love themy life. There we go. That's
the l O m L. That'swhat. And honestly, I like the
title track. I love that song. Like, that's the thing I did
like one of the sleeper things thatI did online. I do. I've
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kind of stopped being so hot buttononline because I don't want to. I
don't want my opinion to make peoplethink less of our band. Yeah,
so I've stopped being as opinionated online. I kind of I pulled it back
a lot. But I did areview of You Don't want to Get in
a witty war with him. Yeah, you're not gonna No one's gonna win.
But I did a review of thatrecord online and people read about,
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this is my favorite thing that you'veever written. And I write like a
lot of I write a lot ofbig like blurbs and blogs and stuff like
this is my favorite thing you've everwritten. Because I'm talking I was talking
about man, Like, hey,think about the output of music that Taylor
supposed to put out five albums infour years. I think that's right.
There's maybe there's no bad songs onany of them. There might be like
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five or six that you're kind oflike, man, but there's no bad
songs on five albums in four years, dude. First off, that's impossible.
Second, it was like you,but here's what I am missing on
this record. And I don't wantto offend anybody, But like electric guitars,
there's a couple, not many,but like, I want a big
chorus somewhere. I hear that Iwant I want to, you know,
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like I want I want to twentytwo, I want a bad blood.
I want anything off of nineteen eightynine. But now the people are cheering
in the background, But listen thesongs are there, man, Like,
I mean the lyrics song like asa lyric writer, maybe the most prolific
lyric writer of this generation at thispoint. The great song that we got
into a Taylor Swift debate. Dude, I will talk about Taylor Swift.
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I love it anyway. I didn'teven answer your question, probably like I
just downloaded, uh starship, nothingcan stop us now. I think that's
such a great song. Maybe surprisefans. What about you? What about
you? Your playlist? Surprise,Like, what would they be? Like?
Oh, I didn't think you wouldlisten to that. I've been jamming
the Saturday Night Fever soundtracks recently BangersBangers, But every single thing on it
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is just like, Okay, Iget it. I know why this worked
in the seventies. Yeah, Iget it. Yeah, I love it.
Any out of genre artists that you'veconsidered maybe doing something with, I
think jelly Roll and you guys woulddo something really cool together. Yeah,
we're that's being discussed. We've knownthe jelly Roll for a very long time.
He is the most deserving person whohas the position he is in over
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anyone I've ever met in my life. Truly, like a person who does
it takes it seriously, takes theart of what we do seriously behind the
scenes, the meeting of you guys, the meeting of radio, the meeting
of the people that you need tomeet to move the needle. And also,
man, just the most genuine human. He truly cares. He truly
cares, and like you, like, I don't think the guy has a
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bad day, and if he does, he tells you that he's having a
bad Yeah. You know, likethat's so rare in this business. Like
there's not a false bone in thatguy's body. Man, he's just he
is who he is. And itcame to him. It wasn't like I
am who I am, accept meor don't. It was like I'm here
and this is already who I am, So you got to live with it.
You know. We toured with himin twenty twenty two and you know,
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brought him out in the fall ofthat year, and man, it
was the most fun we have hadon tour, probably since what we did
last year with Papa Roach and theSpirit Box. But you know, again,
man, just a people talk aboutlike this rocket shit, but what
they don't know about him probably isthat, yeah, this is a guy
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that's been training for this, forhis whole existence. And the reason why
it's so natural for him to bein those spotlight moments and for him to
just annihilate everything he does with suchcharisma and good heartedness and just love and
just true authenticity is because what yousee is what you get. Man.
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That's all very That's who he is, man, he's very real. Like
you said, couldn't hit this successthat's happening for him, which we know
is going to continue, could nothappen to a better or more deserving person.
All right, Well we've got alittle insight what may be happening behind
the scenes with Shining. All right, let's do fast five. So it's
just like this big question. Justland with something that comes to your mind.
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First you guys too, of theworld. So favorite food not in
the US? Oh, ramen?Ramen? Ramen anyway Japan? Yeah,
okay, other than the US thatthe ramen is crucial? Oh yeah,
what do you mean, like likeout just like in Germany or like I
love German food? What would itbe for me? I don't even know.
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I don't know what you're Yeah,I'm weird, yea, I'm a
garbage can yeah, yeah, okay, I am any snacks in Europe that
you like backsize because all different snacks. No, because all the candy tastes
like medicine. The chocolate doesn't.The chocolate's delicious. Skittles take like skittles
taste like they have diamond tapping themor something. Yeah, something funky is
going on there, probably real.That's probably probably delicious food that isn't hurting
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us and that's why they taste.Yeah. I will tell you this though.
The fried shrimp at McDonald's in Sweden. Shrimp, Oh dude, get
McDonald's donald does it up? Allright? Uh so something about something you
nerd out about that's not music?Oh, fishing, fishing, Yeah,
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that's not music that I nerd outabout. Video games, Grizzlies basketball to
basketball, Yeah, Grizzlies basketball.Big nerd about that? Yeah, sure,
there you go. I was sayingfor me. Yeah, you guys,
I'll piggyback. No. No,he loves like funny, like funny
animal videos on Instagram always. That'slike his favorite thing. That's true.
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I do like that funny and okay, I'll answer for him. You're tatted
up? Do you got tattoos?Oh? Yeah, what favorite one top
of my Your pain is a gift, which is just wording, but it
just reminds me like what doesn't killyou will make you stronger. It's just
my way of saying it. I'vegot, like you're talking about music,
I have lyrics for all three ofmy kids on my that are tattooed on
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me, and then their initials areactually in the lyric somehow. Yeah,
I've got my grandma's initials in thisand that's amazing. Grace, Oh nice,
that's really cool. And then myother grandma was a piano She would
go to piano bars and sing,Oh that's cool, you know with her
name. Oh that's awesome. That'sright. Yeah. So I did the
lyric thing just because it was likeI could just looks good. That part
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of your body sucks too, Yeah, it hurts all right. Thing you
miss that we used to have backin the day from the past, record
stores. There's some left. We'restarting to come back a little bit,
but I miss those, man.I miss on a Tuesday going into a
record store when a record was comingout, because records released on Tuesdays and
Fridays back in the day, kids, Tuesdays and Fridays, you couldn't just
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download this music out of the airand the internet. At midnight on a
Wednesday, we have giant cups ofcoffee from Dunkin Donuts. Yeah, just
like around Yeah, you listen tome, children, you had to go
to a store and wend We soundedlike Curmudgeus. By the way, I'm
eighty years old. I don't knowlast one animal that describes you the best.
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I know what he's gonna say.I it's probably the same for me,
just because my memory. I wouldknow if I'm being an honest man,
describe me, I'll do you.Here's the thing, Here's here's what
I would say. I know what, Like he I think that I even
though I have a thing about elephantsbecause they're monogamous, they stay with their
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family, they mourn they're dead.They are so nurturing to their very family
oriented. But also there's just there'sstoic and like very like powerful but also
very aware. So I think alot of times maybe that question I would
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think of my I think of myselfa little bit more like a lion.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a bitlike in the animal like who am I
in the animal Kingdom? I'm morelike a lion. I think you're more
like an elephant. Elephants kill morepeople than lions. Yeah, you're definitely
an elephant. Yeah, because youyou're you're on the hunt an elephant for
sure. Yeah, an elephant lion. That was not a quick rapid fire.
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But that was not quick at all. Yeah, we brought Shine down
in two force and it was notquick rapid fire. Thirty minutes later,
God bless you both. Man keepthanks for having not got a chance to
see you guys live, but thatis going to happen, so I can't
wait for that experience. Man,thank you so much. Now, do
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you need like while we get thesemics with us anyway, do you need line
Power one oh five point three.It's otis excited to have one of my
favorite bands shine down. Uh.Just I got really into you guys when
Second Chance was exploding and that wasa huge song for y'all. And now
you're back at pop radio with thissymptom of being human. You've had four
number one singles off this album.Uh. But I think the cooler stat
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that I just found out about herewe go, let's get it is that
you have the most number one songsin rock history? Is that true?
And the Billboard that that's an incredibleI mean to think of rock history,
but you got fake Yeah, yeah, it feels fake right, like the
Beatles, led Zeppelin, Italica shineDown. Like what I call it monopoly
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money, because like it feels reallygood to walk around within your pocket,
but then when you got to tryto spend it, it's still not real
money. It's like I say thatall the time, Like, people go,
you have more number ones than TomPetty. I'm like, yeah,
but he's Tom Petty, and I'mso you know, I mean, it's
very strained possible. It's it's stillthe biggest honor ever to say you have
more number ones than anyone in theworld on a billboard tart, because when
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you were younger, the billboard chartwas everything. Yeah, so to say
that you got twenty three number one, like it's it's it's unbelievable. But
to think of where you're at nowand how much you still have to go,
that's the whole point. We're justgetting started. Like you say,
Tom Petty, you that's gonna beShinedown is going to be the name that
my kids are saying, like,man, my dad used to listen to
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Shinedown and that that band was incredible. Yeah, I mean I think that
we keep it, man, wetry to keep it full one hundred.
We're proud of the last twenty years. But it's about what are we doing
today and tomorrow and what's the nexttwenty look like. So there's always an
evolution with us, absolutely, andthe things you guys are doing for your
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fans and uh, it's mental healthAwareness month, so what they do a
lot for us too, just soyou know, they've allowed us to be
put on this platform that we takevery seriously absolutely symptom of being human justs
and to a deep soul level.I'm sure to these fans, I know,
just me listening to it and thebattles I've been through, I can
hear myself in the words of thewalls are burning down. You know,
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you just feel like you're not supposedto be in this place. Yeah,
but it's a song that is supposedto remind you that we're all a work
in progress. I mean, that'spart of being alive. And I mean
just being on the journey itself ispart of the battle sometimes where you're always
going to have different obstacles presented toyou in your journey. And it was
a song that that happened pretty quicklywhen we wrote it, and I think
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that it needed. I think itwas a very necessary song for us at
the time that we wrote it.We wrote it in the midst of the
pandemic. But look, I mean, I think that in the age of
you know, where we are nowwith social media and the awareness of everything,
and that there's platforms everywhere and everybodyhas a sounding board. You know,
we have you know kids, youknow, we have sons, mine
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sixteen, his are younger than mine, but and Barry has a daughter.
We try to at least from wherewe because my son has social media,
we allow him to have it butwe have to make sure that he understands
that he's in control of the device. The device doesn't need to be in
control of him. So when youhave a song like Symptom, the response
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that we've gotten from people is justthat the song is almost like a reset
for them to remind them that listen, yeah, it's gonna be okay.
It's not always going to be perfect. But if everything was smooth all the
time, you know, you gotto do hard things, you got to
get uncomfortable. But I think thatpeople just resonate with the song because they
(03:38):
find themselves in it. Absolutely.Is there a fan story that stands out
to you, maybe not even justthis song, but as you've toured,
as you've gone across the country,that stands out to you that really kind
of resonated with you when you hearit back from a fan, and how
they connect it to a song ora moment with you guys, I don't
know if there's a to me likebeing in front of them on stage playing
(04:00):
this song in particular, is isa moment like every single night that we
play it, I would you knowthere'd be We have we have this elongated
stage that was pretty much in theround and so you're surrounded by fans.
It's not just one row of thefirst row, Like the whole place feels
like the first row. That's amazing. So you're noticing all these people go
through this song, watching their theband that they love play it in front
(04:23):
of them in real time, andyou get to share it with them.
And there was nights where I like, I'm losing it on stage just because
I know that I got things thatI'm going through it. I know that
this person's going through something completely different. But the intermingling, the intersection of
that is music and the intersection ofthat is lyrics. So to me,
like that's again we always say everybodytalks about beautiful music is but the fact
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that two people can go be goingthrough two different things and meet in the
middle of this song and you know, I don't know what this parton.
You know, I don't know whatthey're what what the reason they're crying for
is another reason why I am infront of fifteen thousand people, but like,
I don't know why they are,but we met in the middle there
me like the story is when yousee these people go through it live.
I always say, we have thebest job in the world because you could
(05:04):
say an actor, you could saysomebody, but to me, an actor
makes the movie and then walks away. They don't get to be in every
theater in the world and see it. Like we get to watch what something
that we wrote in a you know, a twenty by twenty room does in
real time, and it resonates atdifferent times. The beauty about songs in
(05:25):
general is that they can evolve forthe listener over time to things that when
you were younger and a teenager,certain songs that you have a meaning when
you're younger as opposed to like whenyou get older, it can mean something
different. So there's always an evolution. I know we talk about that a
lot, but that's really the beautyof music. There's no other art form
(05:46):
that I know of where you know, a song is written, it's recorded,
and then it's presented. But youplay it every night. Yeah,
you want to try to play itto the best of your ability the way
that you recorded it. But there'sev and flow and then there's different ways
of playing. A lot of times, like we're known as this quote unquote
rock band, but rock and rollis really a spirit. It's more of
a community than anything. It's notjust a genre of music. So a
(06:09):
lot of times when we're writing asong, we're writing it the lyric and
the melody is a focal point.So a lot of it is written on
an acoustic and sometimes a piano.So you always transpose it after, you
know, you take all the bellsand whistles off of it and strip it
back down, you know, canyou still present it in a very real,
(06:30):
organic form and just cut to thecore of what it's about. You
know, we can doll it upand put all the fancy stuff on it
make it sound big, but whenyou can strip it back down, it
just has different lives. Absolutely,and with music is the universal language.
I mean, you pretty much saidit like it was my every emotion growing
up. It's why I'm tattooed withmusic all over my body, because every
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emotion that I've had is there's somesort of song or moment that I've had
is some sort of song attached toit. And that's what's incredible. Plus,
you guys are using real instrumentation nowadays, which isn't happening in a lot
of music. We also started writingsongs because it's cheaper than therapy. Yeah,
yes, therapy is expensive these days. You also created a hot sauce
(07:14):
that goes along with the song I'veheard symptom chipotle garlic. Yes, it's
it's weird. I've never heard sayingthat to go along with the You're right,
that's actually correct. You're thinking,you know what, this is a
great emotion, make people cry ina different way. Yeah, No,
it's honestly like we don't you know, there's so many hot sauce out there
(07:36):
that are hot to hurt you.And we were like, man, Barry
our drummer is him and I havebeen cooking our whole lives him even longer
than I have, and he loveshot sauce. He makes his yea,
he makes his own sauce every day, or make his own hot sauce.
So when this got started and broughtto us, it was we knew it
was gonna be him that did it. And it was like it wasn't what
(07:57):
we're proud of too, is Itwasn't like, hey, here's five hot
sauces that we've already made. We'llput your label on one of these.
Like we we did this from theground up, and mostly Barry By we
and so he would. You know, he's got crazy flavor profiles that he
went through with. He's got probablyone hundred bottles at his house. Whether
he's like, all right, alittle bit more of two and a little
bit less of six and I cantaste the cayenne and this one. Can
(08:20):
you bring that down? That's youknow. So it was really a project
from the from the beginning, andwe got two more coming out this year.
So I love it. Did youguys bring in me? Because I
was gonna not have Yes, wedid. Shit have had a three doors
down autographed bottle for quite some time, and now I need to sh I
didn't know if there was no bastards. I didn't know that. I don't
know if it still exists, butI have a bottle of their I wouldn't
try it if it's been that long. I was gonna say, I think
(08:43):
we do? We do? Wehave hot sauce. Yes, all right,
there you have it confirmed weed that, But now we know that we
need to start bringing h any otherrealms of merch or you know, food
or anything that you've considered or isthis kind of a first jump into like
that run The Barry also owns acoffee company. Yeah, Berry owns a
coffee company on Spartan Bruce, Soyeah, I think we'll we'll kind of
(09:07):
venture out. We Barry and Ilove being created with food, and I
started a thing called st Limited duringCOVID with Shine Down stuff that was like
basically lifestyle Shine doown merch and athleticShineown merch. And it doesn't say shine
Down anywhere on it, so thisthis was actually a real merch item.
But yeah, we did the STILimited thing and it was just something that
was really cool and sold amazingly.So we'll probably bring that back out at
(09:30):
some point. I mean, weyou know, any it's being creative in
any form of facet. To meis where honestly, as I got older,
I felt like I had like alull in my early thirties of laziness
when it came to creativity. Andnow I'm just like, I want to
create in every way I can,in any way I can. Absolutely,
Yeah, that's I mean, that'sthe creative brain. We can absolutely can't
stop doing it no matter what potsauce or clothes or music or whatever.
(09:54):
All right, let's go into yourmusic. Two albums that you couldn't Live
Without. I just did this forSpin magazine. Someone take two of those
five. Uh. Number one isgonna be my all time favorite, which
is Joshua Tree. And then Ithink number two. I'm gonna go,
uh Arrested Development three months? Yeah. They he's from here, They're from
(10:18):
here. Yeah guy uh uh manman, hold on, trivia, hold
on, take me to another.Yes, I know his name. She
says it in the song too.We're gonna look at We're gonna have to
look that up. Sorry. Ishould have known it because I just shook
(10:41):
his hands, like, Man,I love that record so much. I'm
I use this like grailed to buya bunch of like vintage clothes and stuff
like that. And I've bought likea bunch of vintage old like country shirts
on there and stuff. And I'vebeen looking for an Arrested Development shirt and
like the cheapest one on there islike four hundred dollars. Yeah, they
didn't make a lot of merch,I guess back in the day. Yeah
there you go. Yeah, Iguess. Man, my god, Uh
(11:05):
only two sure or you can gono, I mean if you did too,
I'll do to keep it it too, Okay. Sound Garden Super Unknowne
just out of the gate and anythingwith Otis Redding all right, I like,
of course, I like Otis Reddingmy name too. Yeah, not
(11:26):
a lot of artists named Otis.Dude. You brought up Petty earlier.
That's one that I would definitely puton my list of Let me ask you
this thing because this has been abig discussion amongst my friend group lately.
What female side though, I gottasay Amy Whine else Yeah, yeah,
sorry. Top three American rock bands. Oh it's tough when you say specifically
American. Yeah, don't say usLincoln Park Okay, okay for me,
(11:54):
I wasn't expecting that. No,that that there's something about Lincoln Part nothing
but bangers. Oh ude, there'snothing. He's not a bad song.
Even I was listening that was listeningtheir very last record. Cautious of this
because I'm gonna forget somebody that's incredible. You will guaranteed, That's okay,
that's what it's just like off thecuff, you guaranteed you will rock band.
So Petty's that's two. What didyou say? Five? Three?
(12:16):
Three? Okay, that's that's maybethink Card Motley Crue. Okay, okay,
what about on the female side.Rock. Uh, there's a lot,
Okay, Yeah, I did mystepdad sleeper rocker, Dude the best.
(12:37):
Yeah, and Paramore only because Iwatched I watched the full the last
two nights and I watched it todude, she's funny enough crushing the car
in the car the other my kidsfour nights in Paris, Taylor Swift and
Paramore opened his opening. Yeah,dude, she's she sounds in her best
form. Hayley Williams like, rightnow, i't realize, like how that
(13:00):
she really is. It's great.We were in the car yesterday and the
day before we were in the car. We're listening to music, and anytime
ain't it fun comes on, Iwill dance my ass off full un concert,
whether someone's in the car or not. And I mean dancing, don't
care who sees me. So itcame on with my kids in the car
that I was like, Hey,the only rule is when the song comes
(13:20):
on, you have to dance.So the next day we get in the
car and my my middle son Averywas like, da, who's that girl
the girl song? Who's the girlsong? I go, buddy. I
listened to a thousand girl singers like, I don't know which one you're talking
about. He goes, He goes, the one you asked was Taylor if
it was Taylor Swift and he goes, yeah, and I still couldn't remember
who. And he goes, shehas orange hair. I go, oh,
Paramore. So now Avery in thelast forty eight hours obsessed with Paramile
(13:43):
to go back to my question forme, I'm gonna say it's tough,
petty number one, Lenyard's Skinnard.Yeah, Aerosmith, that's my top missed.
I told you you're gonna open whenyou say American specifically, you're always
gonna miss you miss like Aerosmith.Yeah, yeahs all the time. You're
(14:05):
like, oh yeah, I forgotabout this man. I know about this
guy. Yeah, I mean I'vegot I got his autograph on a guitar
when he was on American Idol.Yeah. That was a cool era for
me. Steven Tyler all right,Uh, since we talked about in Paramore,
not that that's an odd one,but like, what's something on your
playlist that make shock your fans oror be like oh really on my spears,
Oh everything on my playlist fast Ilistened to, I listened to,
(14:28):
I don't listen to rock music veryoften. I mean, I'm listening a
lot of singer songwriter stuff. Maybethat would shock. He's one person that
I know, Like he said thisthe other day, and it does make
total sense. He listens to sadmusic to be put in a good mood.
Okay, it's a very interesting thing. He listened to John Marin.
(14:48):
He's in the best mood. Yeah. If I'm sad and I listen to
sad guy, I'm like, listen, I'm sad as this guy. Do
you have a torture poets Department favoritea torture post? Yeah? I love
my life? Okay, love themy life. There we go. That's
the l O m L. That'swhat. And honestly, I like the
title track. I love that song. Like, that's the thing I did
like one of the sleeper things thatI did online. I do. I've
(15:09):
kind of stopped being so hot buttononline because I don't want to. I
don't want my opinion to make peoplethink less of our band. Yeah,
so I've stopped being as opinionated online. I kind of I pulled it back
a lot. But I did areview of You Don't want to Get in
a witty war with him. Yeah, you're not gonna No one's gonna win.
But I did a review of thatrecord online and people read about,
(15:31):
this is my favorite thing that you'veever written. And I write like a
lot of I write a lot ofbig like blurbs and blogs and stuff like
this is my favorite thing you've everwritten. Because I'm talking I was talking
about man, Like, hey,think about the output of music that Taylor
supposed to put out five albums infour years. I think that's right.
There's maybe there's no bad songs onany of them. There might be like
(15:52):
five or six that you're kind oflike, man, but there's no bad
songs on five albums in four years, dude. First off, that's impossible.
Second, it was like you,but here's what I am missing on
this record. And I don't wantto offend anybody, But like electric guitars,
there's a couple, not many,but like, I want a big
chorus somewhere. I hear that Iwant I want to, you know,
(16:15):
like I want I want to twentytwo, I want a bad blood.
I want anything off of nineteen eightynine. But now the people are cheering
in the background, But listen thesongs are there, man, Like,
I mean the lyrics song like asa lyric writer, maybe the most prolific
lyric writer of this generation at thispoint. The great song that we got
into a Taylor Swift debate. Dude, I will talk about Taylor Swift.
(16:37):
I love it anyway. I didn'teven answer your question, probably like I
just downloaded, uh starship, nothingcan stop us now. I think that's
such a great song. Maybe surprisefans. What about you? What about
you? Your playlist? Surprise,Like, what would they be? Like?
Oh, I didn't think you wouldlisten to that. I've been jamming
the Saturday Night Fever soundtracks recently BangersBangers, But every single thing on it
(17:03):
is just like, Okay, Iget it. I know why this worked
in the seventies. Yeah, Iget it. Yeah, I love it.
Any out of genre artists that you'veconsidered maybe doing something with, I
think jelly Roll and you guys woulddo something really cool together. Yeah,
we're that's being discussed. We've knownthe jelly Roll for a very long time.
He is the most deserving person whohas the position he is in over
(17:29):
anyone I've ever met in my life. Truly, like a person who does
it takes it seriously, takes theart of what we do seriously behind the
scenes, the meeting of you guys, the meeting of radio, the meeting
of the people that you need tomeet to move the needle. And also,
man, just the most genuine human. He truly cares. He truly
cares, and like you, like, I don't think the guy has a
(17:51):
bad day, and if he does, he tells you that he's having a
bad Yeah. You know, likethat's so rare in this business. Like
there's not a false bone in thatguy's body. Man, he's just he
is who he is. And itcame to him. It wasn't like I
am who I am, accept meor don't. It was like I'm here
and this is already who I am, So you got to live with it.
You know. We toured with himin twenty twenty two and you know,
(18:14):
brought him out in the fall ofthat year, and man, it
was the most fun we have hadon tour, probably since what we did
last year with Papa Roach and theSpirit Box. But you know, again,
man, just a people talk aboutlike this rocket shit, but what
they don't know about him probably isthat, yeah, this is a guy
(18:34):
that's been training for this, forhis whole existence. And the reason why
it's so natural for him to bein those spotlight moments and for him to
just annihilate everything he does with suchcharisma and good heartedness and just love and
just true authenticity is because what yousee is what you get. Man.
(18:55):
That's all very That's who he is, man, he's very real. Like
you said, couldn't hit this successthat's happening for him, which we know
is going to continue, could nothappen to a better or more deserving person.
All right, Well we've got alittle insight what may be happening behind
the scenes with Shining. All right, let's do fast five. So it's
just like this big question. Justland with something that comes to your mind.
(19:15):
First you guys too, of theworld. So favorite food not in
the US? Oh, ramen?Ramen? Ramen anyway Japan? Yeah,
okay, other than the US thatthe ramen is crucial? Oh yeah,
what do you mean, like likeout just like in Germany or like I
love German food? What would itbe for me? I don't even know.
(19:38):
I don't know what you're Yeah,I'm weird, yea, I'm a
garbage can yeah, yeah, okay, I am any snacks in Europe that
you like backsize because all different snacks. No, because all the candy tastes
like medicine. The chocolate doesn't.The chocolate's delicious. Skittles take like skittles
taste like they have diamond tapping themor something. Yeah, something funky is
going on there, probably real.That's probably probably delicious food that isn't hurting
(20:03):
us and that's why they taste.Yeah. I will tell you this though.
The fried shrimp at McDonald's in Sweden. Shrimp, Oh dude, get
McDonald's donald does it up? Allright? Uh so something about something you
nerd out about that's not music?Oh, fishing, fishing, Yeah,
(20:26):
that's not music that I nerd outabout. Video games, Grizzlies basketball to
basketball, Yeah, Grizzlies basketball.Big nerd about that? Yeah, sure,
there you go. I was sayingfor me. Yeah, you guys,
I'll piggyback. No. No,he loves like funny, like funny
animal videos on Instagram always. That'slike his favorite thing. That's true.
(20:51):
I do like that funny and okay, I'll answer for him. You're tatted
up? Do you got tattoos?Oh? Yeah, what favorite one top
of my Your pain is a gift, which is just wording, but it
just reminds me like what doesn't killyou will make you stronger. It's just
my way of saying it. I'vegot, like you're talking about music,
I have lyrics for all three ofmy kids on my that are tattooed on
(21:14):
me, and then their initials areactually in the lyric somehow. Yeah,
I've got my grandma's initials in thisand that's amazing. Grace, Oh nice,
that's really cool. And then myother grandma was a piano She would
go to piano bars and sing,Oh that's cool, you know with her
name. Oh that's awesome. That'sright. Yeah. So I did the
lyric thing just because it was likeI could just looks good. That part
(21:41):
of your body sucks too, Yeah, it hurts all right. Thing you
miss that we used to have backin the day from the past, record
stores. There's some left. We'restarting to come back a little bit,
but I miss those, man.I miss on a Tuesday going into a
record store when a record was comingout, because records released on Tuesdays and
Fridays back in the day, kids, Tuesdays and Fridays, you couldn't just
(22:04):
download this music out of the airand the internet. At midnight on a
Wednesday, we have giant cups ofcoffee from Dunkin Donuts. Yeah, just
like around Yeah, you listen tome, children, you had to go
to a store and wend We soundedlike Curmudgeus. By the way, I'm
eighty years old. I don't knowlast one animal that describes you the best.
(22:29):
I know what he's gonna say.I it's probably the same for me,
just because my memory. I wouldknow if I'm being an honest man,
describe me, I'll do you.Here's the thing, Here's here's what
I would say. I know what, Like he I think that I even
though I have a thing about elephantsbecause they're monogamous, they stay with their
(22:53):
family, they mourn they're dead.They are so nurturing to their very family
oriented. But also there's just there'sstoic and like very like powerful but also
very aware. So I think alot of times maybe that question I would
(23:15):
think of my I think of myselfa little bit more like a lion.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a bitlike in the animal like who am I
in the animal Kingdom? I'm morelike a lion. I think you're more
like an elephant. Elephants kill morepeople than lions. Yeah, you're definitely
an elephant. Yeah, because youyou're you're on the hunt an elephant for
sure. Yeah, an elephant lion. That was not a quick rapid fire.
(23:37):
But that was not quick at all. Yeah, we brought Shine down
in two force and it was notquick rapid fire. Thirty minutes later,
God bless you both. Man keepthanks for having not got a chance to
see you guys live, but thatis going to happen, so I can't
wait for that experience. Man,thank you so much. Now, do
(24:00):
you need like while we get thesemics with us anyway, do you need line
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