Episode 51 - Carl Anderson - Friend

In episode 51 we are joing by Nashville based singer-songwriter Carl Anderson. We discuss the pros and cons of profanity in songwriting, how he somewhat casually landed a publish deal, he plays a live song for us at the end and we hear the worktape of his beautiful heart pricking song, "Friend" 

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Episode intro music written by Brandon Carswell & produced by Micah Tawlks - "Back To Us" Worktapes show cover art designed by Harrison Hudson **All songs used by permission**

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Speaker 2 (00:54):
Com Welcome to work Tapes.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
This is a podcast where we tear our songs. Why
was the song written? What's it about? What's the context
and emotion behind it? Where were you at the time,
what were you going through? How did certain minds come
to you? What's the inspiration? How long did it take
to write? I'm Brandon Carswell and I'm fascinated with songwriting

(01:28):
and how songs are built from the ground up. It's
easy to hear a full production song on the radio
and dismiss its origin story. I want to hear the
rough draft of the song or the work tapes. I
want to explore the very beginning with how songs that
move us and make us move are born.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Feel is a good sn old friend. Feels so weird
to be back. I'n't gone too long singing these songs. Oh,
how easily time disappeared.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
I can't remember if you knew him. He was so
gentle and so kind. I knew him in school. He
was funny and cool. He would say he was it
was mine.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
This is.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Welcome to work tapes everyone. This is Brandon Carswell. I'm
joined today by Carl Anderson. What's up, Carl. Hello. We've
been talking about profanity, how profanity relates to a song.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
Or this is good for me? I'm always being chastised
for like my mentioned for profanity. Yeah, I played a
show back in my hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia a year
ago and my mom, My mom's only note was I

(03:20):
cursed too much in the mic, and she said, you
cursed a lot.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's a good This is a good opening question. Does
profanity make a song or can it make it better?

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Usually it's really difficult to do it, to do it tastefully,
I think, oh yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Do you have like an example song that's a tasteful
man tasteful profanity like Rage against the Machine?

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yeah, I mean, actually, that's a really killing in the
name of is a really good example of of of
hearing it. Almost always it takes me out of the song.
I'm like, oh, the language takes you out of the
song profanity, and usually is like, oh, like, I try not.

(04:06):
I don't think I curse. I just started cursing in
my songs.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, recently, I've only written one that has one, but
I never I never released it.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
I take the Lord's name in vain A lot you
do I used to, you used to. I don't do
that in your songs. Yeah, I had a lot of
gds in my songs.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, why did you stop? Because it was took you
out of this song.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
It it was obnoxious, It became like a tick and
it was I was I mean, I got called out
for it and it was completely unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You got called out for it by your fans. Or
you're just like your mom my.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
A friend of mine was like, why do you insist on?
Like He's like, why don't you just yeah, And it
was like, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
That's a good friend. Did you get mad about it?

Speaker 6 (04:55):
No? No, no, because I had felt like a little
I felt a little weird about it to begin with,
and then hearing him say that was like, oh yeah,
I like.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
This conversation because I never thought about asking that question,
like how does a writer feel about because some people
probably are super indifferent, they don't think about it at all. Yeah. Yeah,
profanity affect your writing process. You think about it when
you're writing down.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
Yeah, I mean I christ in a song. I wrote
a song with a friend of mine last week and
we were we made we were filming some.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Tent content for all you or folks out.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
There getting some content. I thought it would be a
good idea to immediately post what we'd written on onto
social media platforms. Is I don't like to let time
any any if. If if like half an hour passes
in between like the conception of a song and and

(05:54):
it's being made available on social media, I mean that's
like that's like the maximum I like to get it
right out there. I like to release stuff as soon
as it's conceived of if I can. So, we were
filming this song and I did like it wasn't even written.
I just like improvised the n F word in the

(06:15):
second verse and it was like and I watched it
back and it was cringe. Yeah, I was like, ah,
why did I do that?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well, like, what's that song where Radiohead? That was talk
show host you know that song? That one has a
few F bombs in it, but I feel like they're
kind of tasteful. They're like just kind of like yeah
in there.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Yeah, I don't see he's that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And that's one of my favorite and I kind of
hate that it's in there because I don't I don't
hate it to listen to necessarily, but i'd like to
cover that song, which you can do without him. It's
really easy and you don't even like no one would know.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
Radio edit, radio radio edit, Radiohead, Radiohead edit, Radiohead radio edit.
Dang it, oh yeah, I yeah, it's just I mean profanity,
it's kind of it sounds kind of dumb, like I think.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
So for our listeners, why don't you give us a
little backstory or a little context of who you are
and how you started in music.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Yes, Carl Anderson, I'm thirty seven years old. I turned
thirty seven in September. I grew up in a place
called Charlottesville, Virginia, and began making music in my teenage years.
I was always really interested in music, loved uh, listening

(08:01):
to music around the house, CDs my mom would play.
Always felt always felt it deeply, you know, like I remember,
you know, hearing I've memoraged from very early on hearing
music and just you know, and being moved by by it,

(08:21):
and and then later on it just sort of I
sort of naturally just began playing a little bit of
a guitar. My mom played, and and a few of
my friends in school were playing and and and as
I started doing that playing guitar, I kind of at
the same time I started sort of writing songs.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
And so it just about what age was that.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Middle school, seventh grade, sixth seventh grade, we would I
had my good buddy who lived on my street, had
some like really neat set up in his basement, some
recording equipment, and so we were we spent a lot

(09:08):
of time down there just listening to music, playing you know,
learning how to play Californication on the guitar, and you know,
playing you know, let's Jimmy World and so like you know,
learning songs but also writing tunes, you know. Coming up,
I didn't play. I played a little guitar then, but

(09:32):
I was really enough, very good, and I was extremely
self conscious about my the way I played guitar, and
so I at that time I was happy to just
take the mic and sing. And he was much better
on guitar, and you know, lots of friends dropping.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
By, so it was kind of like a band scenario.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
Yeah, we didn't really have a band like properly until
we did eventually, but uh, we probably put together a
group for a talent show and and so it was
a lot of just just lots of fun like in
the basement at at Will's house and playing getting inspired

(10:15):
and and writing songs like taking I remember a friend
of ours, a schoolmate of ours, was very sick, had
been and I remember, you know, like writing about that,
and uh, and said just right away just kind of
like just taking the source material of our lives and

(10:37):
turning it into songs. And it just felt right away,
it felt really really natural, and and it felt really
good two to express myself in that way, and I
loved the feeling of camaraderie. I love being a part
of an ensemble, and it's Yeah, from then on, it

(11:00):
was just like I've done it. I've been engaged in
my creativity with with music since yeah, around that time,
and it just has never stopped.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
It.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Of course, as you know, it ebbs and flows, you know,
and we ride these waves of feeling inspired. But I've
had every opportunity to step away, and I keep going.
I can't. Yeah, I just I keep going with it
because because of its miraculous healing power.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, well it's there. So what would have brought you
to Nashville from them? So you you got I would
say you started as a kid, but there's there must
have been a point where you were like I kind
of want to get serious about this and write real
Yeah I say real songs, but you know what I mean,
I know exactly what you mean.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
I well, after I sort of just barely graduated from
high school. I my prospects at that time were were slim.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
It was like.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
I considered joining the Navy. I hadn't got received good
enough marks in school to get into any worthwhile, uh,
university or college, and so it was sort of just
like you know, working, getting finding a job somewhere, and uh,
at that point, I had begun begun playing out and

(12:31):
uh and recording a little bit too. So so I was,
you know, I was in the conceptual, conceptual stages of
a career in music. I was sort of I had
a band and we made an EP and and so
that allowed me to kind of begin touring in little
concentric circles around Charlottesville. And at a certain point it

(12:53):
was like time to go, Like I'd kind of felt
like i'd sort of like reached that point where and
I I went to New York, and I loved New York,
but it's so expensive to be in a place like that.
And I happened to come to Nashville. The young lady

(13:14):
I was courting at the time came here to play
like a writer's a round the Bluebird, I think, and
I happened to have like that week off work. I
was just like waiting tables, like slinging meat loaf at
this diner called the Nook in Charlottesville, and she was
like you should come in and hang, like I'm gonna

(13:36):
she was planning on being here for a week and
and so I happened a Greyhound bus and came here
and met her and saw her the Bluebird, and it
was wild. She was in talks with a publishing company
here and uh I showed up and like I ended
up doing a deal with this this publisher and then

(13:59):
which was like an insane like there were really lovely people,
but this company was sort of like like last gasps.
Like they had a house on Music g Row. It's
called ash Street Music and it was run by this
this couple and they were amazing. But I remember like

(14:20):
being here and like, oh, Carl writes songs too, and
sitting around late night on music Row in their house
and oh, why don't you play us some tunes and
like okay, like we'll drop up a contract for you too.
And so my ex girlfriend and I ended up doing
like co publishing deals with this company and so that

(14:42):
and immediately right when I arrived, it was like I
I started meeting people that were like really inspiring. The
my friend Bo was living in the basement of that
house on Music Row and he happened to manage an
artist Andrew Combs, and who I've now known for over
a decade, and and so all of these connections just
right away, and I thought, like, goodness, like this is

(15:05):
a place where I could come. I can come here
and I can live on the cheap, like I can
get like a job making biscuits somewhere, and just like
and just like get to work, like hit the ground running.
And so that's what I did. I went back to
Charlottesville and hung around there for a couple more years,
met someone, got married, and then together we moved to Nashville. Wow,

(15:28):
And in July of twenty fourteen. And it's been the
strangest adventure. I mean, I can't I think about my
life in the last ten years, and it's it's it
really is like it's it really is lifelike. I mean, really,
it's such a it really is neat it's been I've

(15:48):
experienced like this, this incredible range of experience and emotion.
It's like everything a songwriter could possibly ask.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's a really interesting story. Honestly, it's it's you weren't
looking for a deal. So many people come here looking
for a deal and can't get it and don't know
who to talk to. But I tell people a lot
Nashville's like one of those big towns that's like got
small vibes, if that makes sense. Like it's a big town.
There's a lot of people here, and there's a lot

(16:18):
of people doing the songwriting thing or music thing, and
and there's almost like a trick to it, which is
just meet people. You can meet people all day all
day here. Just don't sit on your hands. You can
go get a job like you said, slinging meat low
for making biscuits away you're going to meet people.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's true. It's like and it's something
I have never been.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Guys, if you come down for the weekend and go
to Bluebird, you'll get a publishing deal. That's what Carl's
trying to tell you.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
It was viby.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
It was.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
I mean this deal, ladies and gentlemen, was not like
listen like it was like I did I signed a contract.
It was I had no idea, I didn't didn't have
an attorney, Like like I'm lucky that like this that
these people were not like predators because and it turned

(17:16):
out being it ended up being fine, Like it didn't
do it was like this deal was it allowed me
to be here and to meet tons of people, and
that was like the value of this, like and that
was it great.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
What does a publishing deal do? Let's go like for
the people that don't know anything about what that means.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
Man, you know, they they they publish your catalog hopefully
you know, you know, hopefully they're in Nashville, like you're
there's probably someone that you're publishing company who's like orchestrating collaborations,
so putting you together with other writers to uh, to

(17:59):
go in the little room and hopefully write a hit song.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, and they're pitching songs to other.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Artists or yeah, sync licensing, which is film, TV, movies,
all that exactly, all that stuff. So so my and
there are you know, it really depends on who you're
working with. Like this, you know, Ash Street was like,
like I said, it was sort of a I came
in at the end of this of this run for

(18:25):
them and they'd had some success in the nineties and
some hits, and you know, it's like it's tough out there,
you know, and and it's like I remember looking on
the wall at the George Strait Records and like thinking
that was like like wow, that's that's pretty cool. And

(18:46):
that is pretty cool. Yeah, and uh and they were
really really really good people. And but you know, it's
like when your last hit was twenty years ago, it's like, right,
it's tough, but well.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
What kind of I mean this kindly, but what did
they see in you? Because your your music is not
pop country or George Strait, it's very good, Like, how
would you describe what you do?

Speaker 6 (19:15):
Confused?

Speaker 1 (19:17):
What's the genre? I I don't think it's very confusing.
I get how the artists, like you as the artist
would feel like I don't know where I land, but
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
It's it's like I'm a simple minded guy, Like these
are my observations of the world. I mean, it's like
I'm a singer songwriter. Yeah, so it's like probably like
a little I'm trying not to say Americana.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, I don't know, but it's like it's like the
kind of that It's like true, there's like a new
version of Americana or whatever that is, that's not what
it used to be. I feel like you're like a
a little bit of a throwback, but not in like
a retro cheesy way. It's like there's like a seventies

(20:07):
vibe or something going on.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
I play acoustic guitar and sing, but yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, but it still has it still has a lot
of people play acoustic guitar and sing. Yeah, you could
sound like a worship band and do that. I ho yeah,
you don't.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
A lot of that stuff does sound.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
I My hope is that it's it's it feels honest,
that it tastes like the truth, and.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
That is my hope it does.

Speaker 8 (20:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think that's that's that comes across pretty apparently in
your music. Let's talk about this song called Friend. That's
the one that we landed on to discuss today. This

(20:55):
is a pretty heavy song. Yeah. I feel like a
lot of your songs are pretty heavy. I listened to
a bunch of stuff this week, and it's all really good,
and it's all really smart writing. It doesn't feel like you.
It doesn't feel like you just threw out some lines,

(21:18):
and like I like to throw out lines and I
just let them land. You seem to think about these lines.
If you don't, then I think that you're you're a
genius lyricist, because they're they're just really smart, really good.
They sound really thought out. They kind of capture an emotional.

(21:42):
They kind of tug at your heart a little bit. Yeah.
They You mentioned earlier that that when you were young,
you were writing songs based on experience. You had friends
that you were writing about, and it seems like maybe
that just stuck with you.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
I think so. I mean, I think that life is sad.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Life is sad, and it's.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, I mean I would like to I would like
to like to try and like use more humor. I mean,
it's like the same I was listening to someone talk
recently just about like the you know, the like humor

(22:36):
and sadness being like two sides of the same coin.
And I like that a lot, and I just want
to be I want to try and be more aware
of that. Yeah, because I think my I think my
like I humor is a big part of my It
drives me, you know, in my everyday life. And I

(22:59):
don't know that I've ever I allow it to to
like be a part of the work so much. I'd
like to trend and play with that a little bit more.
But yeah, these yeah, I don't know, I don't, I'm not.
I kind of a lot of this stuff I do freestyle,
you know, like this this song in particular friend, Like

(23:23):
I wrote this song very quickly. I mean I got
you know, like like most of it done in an evening.
But but then it's like and this, this is this
happens a lot. Is that I'll kind of get like
the bulk of it will come and then I spend
I'll spend the next like week and a half or

(23:44):
two weeks kind of like going just like you know,
little edits and playing through it, learning it. You know,
I don't know if this happens to you at all,
and the process of writing, but like it'll come so
fast that you're just like like I have to learn
this now, yes, like you kind of I love that feeling,
by the way, it's my favorite. Yeah, But I think

(24:08):
that I think the writing is I'm sure like I'm
sure most writers can relate it to the feeling of
just you know this stuff does you know? It can
happen very quickly, but you know we're we spend our
whole lives just looking around and and you know, absorbing

(24:33):
all of this information, and you know it kind of
just floats around in our consciousness and you know, when
the timing is right, it's just and that song. I
love this. I really love this song, which is there
aren't many songs that I've written that I feel like
I can say that about. I'm I mean, really I

(24:53):
love this song because it I remember taking a trip
home and and coming back and just feeling just a
range of emotions. It had just been like, you know,
I'd seen a couple of people that I hadn't seen
in a long time, and you know, being back and

(25:14):
visiting with my mom and my brother and my sister
and and just you know, yeah, you're like you're seeing
your your family. You know, everyone's getting a little bit older.
And I remember visiting with my friend Wade and some
Wade who I've known for since I was in fifth grade.

(25:36):
You know, we just to sit on the edge of
the quarterpipe together and drink non alcoholic beer after school,
and you know, just sitting with Wade and just thinking
about like all of the things we'd we'd done, you know,
and and hearing about how he is and and I
remember in our conversation we took a long walk together.

(25:59):
It's really nice, and ended up like ducking into this
bar and having a drink. And I remember just towards
the end of our conversation asking him if he knew
James s. Wafford, a friend of mine who a couple
of years ago and decided to end his personal map.

(26:21):
And he said, yeah, I did know James a little bit,
and this is sort of weird thing. Like, and so
I got home from that trip and I was just
I was just just thinking about all that. I remember
driving back and just thinking about all this stuff, and
I you know, it's one of those things where it's
like like as soon as I can, I'd like to

(26:43):
sit down and with my guitar and and and it
was really kind of a wonderful thing. I sat down
and I just I kind of just like flowed through
that first verse and it's like great, yeah, yeah, I
had a feeling maybe this was a song, and it
was so and it you know, it's very simple, you know,
it's just but it I wanted to like, I love

(27:12):
the idea of having like this tune that immortalizes my friend. Yeah,
you know, like James was like such a special person.
We worked at the Nook together, we slung slang meat
loaf together, slung slung, we slung and just really like

(27:33):
special person and we were like we became very close
as like early twenties, working going to the you know
it's all on the song, you know, going to going
to Mickey's after work and playing pool and getting schnockered

(27:54):
with the characters up on the third floor at Mickey's.
And and but James was so he was so special,
and he was so integral. Two like my he was
an important figure in my creative life because he was
he sort of at that time became like the guy

(28:16):
I like went and played my songs for right, and
he was he would sit and listen and say like
that's great, Yeah, maybe not that one. And so and
you know, I moved away and we lost touch. And
the next thing I knew, I was getting a phone
call from a mutual friend telling me that he had
you know, yeah, you know that he'd taken his own life.

(28:40):
And you know, how do you reckon with that? You know,
you think about all the moments, all the times when
you that you could have reached out, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
And but.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
And so I think this this song is is special.
It feels more, It feels deeply personal in a way
that like I don't think any of my other stuff does.
I really think he's I feel like he came like
I really feel like he was like that he came through.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
It's like in the song, it's like, you know, I
don't know, I feel like he's in there, and I
feel like every time I sing it now or anytime
anyone listens to it now, he's there.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
It comes across. It's I mean, from the get go,
it comes across, I think, And I think those songs
that come from such a deep well and those kind
of emotions, when you're true to them, your voice, your
delivery puts that in the listener. It brings them with

(29:56):
you right there where where it all is. Yeah, do
you think that? Or maybe I should say it this way.
How does a song like that help you as a writer?

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Well, I mean it's such a how does it help
me as a writer?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean, songs can be therapy for us who write.
They can be therapy for the listener as well. Yeah,
but sometimes they're not for the listeners. Sometimes you write
a song it's for you. Yeah, we're both, I.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
Think, you know, it's like I think for me, it's
like I was I was like, you know, I arrived
home from this visit and like I was full of
I needed to express these feelings.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
It's a release.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
At least I couldn't help, but I'm so grateful. I mean,
I think that's I mean, that must be why I
feel compelled to do this. It's because I needed something
that's you know, like I think, yeah, it's it's I

(31:21):
mean for me, it's it's it's necessary I need, you know.
But it's it's funny. It's like it's like that question,
It's like what is it about? You know, plenty of
people love music, but what is it about some people
feel compelled to make music themselves is a very interesting thing,
Like what is that? Like I've always I think it's
you know, yeah, I don't know it For me, it's

(31:45):
just it just happens, and so it's something that I
need to express myself. This is how I do it.
But I think when I'm done, when like when I've
like written a song and I just had to to
make a record of that song and it goes out
for people to listen to to consume, like at that point,

(32:09):
it's kind of like it's not like I relinquish ownership
of this work, like it becomes, uh, it not mine anymore,
which I think is fascinating. Yeah, exactly, you know, like
it's the fact that you can listen to it and
have you know, you can listen to these words and
it's pretty plainly spoken. You know, it's like but it's

(32:32):
like that whole process is so mysterious and cool to me.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Like, let's take a second and listen to the work
tape and then we'll kind of we'll get back into.

Speaker 8 (32:40):
It feels so good in all, friend, So you're to

(33:01):
be back.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
I've been long, too long singing these songs.

Speaker 9 (33:09):
So how easily time disappeared?

Speaker 5 (33:16):
I can't remember if you knew though. He was so
gentle and so kind. I knew him in school. He
was funny and cool. He would say he was out,
he was mine.

Speaker 10 (33:40):
This is a song about a song about a song.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
About my friend. Three years ago, you went away and
won't be back again.

Speaker 9 (33:54):
Most folks just.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
Let him play.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Some skip right to the end.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
My friend, you're in the rain, You're in the lightning,
You're in these words, I was singing out, So I
keep on singing.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
Is it true?

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Are we forgiving?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
And the end?

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Oh friend, we'd finished work and go out drinking. We'd
burn the money that we made.

Speaker 9 (34:39):
Irish whiskey and deer turn Bill at turn tears.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
God only knows.

Speaker 10 (34:47):
Where I'd be if it stay.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Tacking my things in the Virginia, so anythings behind. I
was scared of myself, thought that leaving my help. Only
now can I see how that was my.

Speaker 10 (35:18):
This is a song about a song about a song
about my friend.

Speaker 11 (35:24):
Three years ago.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
You went away and won't be back again. Those folks,
just let it play.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Some skip right to the end.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
My friend, you're in the rain, you're in the lightning.
Now you're in these words.

Speaker 9 (35:51):
I'm singing out, so I'll keep out singing.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Is it true?

Speaker 5 (35:57):
All be forgiving?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
And the old friend.

Speaker 10 (36:30):
This is a song about a song about a song
about my friend. Three years ago, you went away and
won't be back again.

Speaker 11 (36:43):
Mittle sooks, just let it play.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Something skip right to the end. My friend, you're in
the rain, you're in the lighting.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
In these words. I sing it out, so I keep
on singing. Is it true?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Okay? So to your last point, you write like a
song can like a song like this I can listen
to and feel like it's mine because maybe it's my
story also, you know, and so as writers we we

(37:37):
can say, yes, this is your song, and there's there's
you know, you're not gonna like every song you write
or you release, but there's a few, like you mentioned
this one. You love this song. There's a few that
you love like And then I'm gonna ask this question.
Then we can get out of the existential world for

(37:58):
a second. Please do you think And this sounds more
dramatic than I mean it, but I was talking to
another guest on this podcast who says he firmly believes
songs have saved his life. Is that too dramatic or

(38:20):
do you think that that's a true statement for you
as well? I mean, like some say, oh, it's just
a song, like, no bigdeal, don't think too hard about it.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
I I don't know. I don't That doesn't feel holy
hyperbolic to me. Yeah, only because I feel like music
saves my life every day. And I'm not even kidding,
because I mean, it's power is mysterious. Like I it's
these little things that keep us going, you know, It's
like this stuff adds up, you know. And so yeah,

(38:53):
I don't know. I've never had I can't point to
like any moment in particular where I was like that,
like I heard that song and like I stepped away
from the railing and right, not exactly, but but I
feel like in little ways, like all the time. It's like,
you know, I heard there's an artist I've been loving,
And when I hear a good song, it fills me

(39:15):
with hope and and makes me feel like it makes
me feel connected, and I feel like, I don't know.
I think that's why early in my life I felt
compelled to do this is because like I sensed like
the fact that it's possible, you know, it's like to

(39:36):
like make something, and especially music. It's so cool. It's
like you can be like there are people you can
put music on spot, like anybody can put music online
now and should people can and should and somebody like
around the world can find it and like that is
like outrageously cool. It's it's so connecting, Like the connection

(39:58):
is what I'm looking for. Right with all of this
stuff with performance, with recording, it's like like I love
I love that because I felt its power, like like
as a young person, like sitting with around my family
listening to music, being alone with music with the headphones on,

(40:20):
just like I mean, it's crazy, it's so neat.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
It is. You have I read an interview you did
with I forget who it was now, but the quote
that you said that that kind of caught me was
we're all capable of handling a lot more pain than
we think we can. And I think that that kind

(40:44):
of speaks to the question I just asked and relating
and music, right, yeah, and I think that music is
one of the reasons we can handle more, do you think.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
Yeah, yeah, I think it like having I mean absolutely yeah,
I think that like thank goodness, Like thank goodness, we
have the privilege frankly to like be creative, like the

(41:21):
fact that I'm I have time and energy to devote
to this like very strange like compulsion passion that I
have is is really is really interesting and cool and
and honestly, like it keeps me making stuff because I

(41:41):
can and you know, not everyone. It's like the you
know I think sometimes about like this, like the the
work that won't be made you know, oh yeah, like
you know what I mean, like these I don't know
that concept is it's interesting to me, Like.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
It's interesting and it kind of can it kind of
makes me nuts, like yeah, thinking of I just had
this discussion yesterday with a friend of mine and I
thought where I said like, what would Kurt Cobain be
doing right now? Would his stuff be good or bad? Bad? Yeah,
that's that was his answer. He was like, I think

(42:22):
it wouldn't be good, But how do you know. You
don't know, you don't know.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
You don't know about that. Like that's why we have
to we should encourage our kids, not too much, but
we should encourage them because to listen to Nirvana, well
one hundred percent my kids.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Love Nirvana, but they want My thirteen year old is like,
let me watch the Kurt Cobain documentary, like not yet,
it's ash, Yeah, it's a little dark.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
See I arrived too. I came to Nirvana a little
bit later, and I'm as sure as hecking. I am glad
I did, because that's the gift that keeps on giving.
Kurt is so interesting and absolutely one of my favorite.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Artists, insanely good writer.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Like the lyrics cerainly didn't see that's a good example
of someone who like this uneducated kid from Aberdeen, Washington.
Like that was that's when you begin to think, like, Okay,
maybe these are like transmissions, you know, I mean really,
because you go you examine those lyrics, it's very I

(43:25):
mean that was coming straight out of his heart. So beautiful. Yeah,
such a brilliant artist.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
And that's the mystery of what a song is. It's
like what is it? What is it? Actually?

Speaker 6 (43:35):
And if Kurt hadn't gotten these, if he hadn't been
the one to receive this stuff, who would it? Where
would that have landed? I think about this stuff sometimes.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
And yeah, that's a whole different It's like it can
go for hours.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
Oh my god, just light it up, and you know,
it's like it's like get high for the first time.
And it's true.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
That would be an interesting conversation.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
I love I do love talking about this stuff, and
I absolutely will get carried away. Ask my girlfriend. Yeah, yeah,
it's pretty obnoxious to go down the road. I love
it that's talking about this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's fun if you love it, if you love writing.
I mean, I think even people that don't write songs
and just love music, that's great.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
It's the best.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Yeah, music saves because.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
It doesn't make sense. And I think that's what it
is is We're trying to make sense of something that
we can't make sense of.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
None of this makes sense. Our reality is especially it
is fractured, especially right now. I mean it's we're like
all of these little bits of information. It's crazy, absolutely fractured,
and we're trying to find meaning in it. We're searching,
we're searching for a narrative. We're trying to find a

(44:49):
narrative and all in this sea of information, and it's
crazy and it's chaos on the surface, but there is
beauty in the bones. I heard David a writer that
I there's a writer that I really I find him
quite interesting. He's kind of controversial, so I won't say
his name. But chaos on the surface, beauty in the bones,

(45:09):
like I love that man. Life is it's completely surreal
and strange, and music is really an art in general, creativity.
It's it's really it's so necessary, you know, we need it.
And that's why we should encourage our kids. We should
fund these public schools. We should give them plenty of

(45:31):
money to like to you know, to make this a
viable thing for people. Get get them all laptops, send
them over to Diplow's house. That's what Sturgil said. He
said that recently in an interview. I thought it was funny,
but it's yeah, it's it's like we a world without

(45:51):
how would you encourage.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
A new or an up and coming young writer or
that wants to get their stuff out there? Like what, Wow?
You had a story that most people don't have as
far as coming to town and landing at least something.
You got your foot in the door pretty fast.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
It's funny. For as unaccomplished and obscure as an artist
as I am, I've got I've had some well that's
gotten it.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Though, Like I don't feel very accomplished either, And but
I could we could both rattle off names and experiences
we've had in this town. Absolutely, and you know, someone
and Iowa or whatever it would be like, that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (46:35):
I love Davenport, Iowa.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I don't know why I picked Iowa.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
Iowa was the best. Man. Have you been? Really? You
got to go to Davenport. You got to go to
the Raccoon Motel and meet Sean Muller and.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
The Raccoon Motel.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
Oh yeah, shout out Raccoon Motel.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
Yeah, it's it's interesting. That's why it's I mean, it's
so it's so good. It's so important to travel around
because you meet these people in these places and you're like.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Wow, Okay, so advice to young writers. Is that happening?

Speaker 6 (47:08):
Uh, you know, I just no, I don't think so,
I'm I would I would say, just don't be so
hard on yourself. Try try not to be so critical
of yourself as you can. I've I've been, you know,
I'm like self conscious to the point of psychosis. And

(47:32):
and I've worked really hard to like to like chill
out a little bit with the the insecurities because it's
at a certain point. It does it does keep you
from like getting to the good stuff. But I would say,
just just have fun with it, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
And and to that point, not to interrupt you, but please,
but I did. I always like that, not to interrupt you,
but I just and I will do it again. Is
not being hotter on yourself. But go ahead and couple
that with the fact that you're getting information overload, and

(48:11):
do not compare yourself to people. Oh my god. Yeah,
because if you go down that road, you're done. Yeah,
just turn it off if you have to, don't look
at it.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's funny, like I couldn't The reason
I I feel weird about, I mean, giving any advice
to a yarn, I don't know it's so I'm pretty
I don't know what it feels like.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
A business side is such a mystery.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
It's I mean, it's instane. It's the wild West, which
is exciting because you can make a record in your room,
in your bedroom that sounds like really good and I
mean it's wild.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Man can sound really bad and get picked up.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
It just doesn't matter, man, It's well. That's the thing too,
is like you don't, like you don't actually have to
be talented to be successful, Like you don't. It's any
it's it could happen in any sort of I would
say my advice would be two, like really just like
to think about the truth and what that means to

(49:16):
you mm hmm, like really yeah, but like really to
like remember that like in order to to like to
get into somebody's heart, which is like like that is
the modest task that is our charge as artists is
to like make it into people's hearts. Like in order

(49:40):
to do that, like you have to like you do
have to pull, you have to mind something, you've got
to go. It has to come from your heart to
make it into somebody else's.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
You know, if you're not making them cry, you need
to keep working.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
Well, it's like not not even that man, but like
it's just gotta, it's gotta, like you know, if it's true,
you know it. If it's true, you know when you
sing it, you'll know when it's right. And don't you know,
it's like, yeah, write a bunch of bad songs and like,
and don't be so hard on yourself because it's a
difficult thing to do, like you have to be Timing

(50:15):
is everything, you know, but at some point if you
keep working, you know, keep showing up, like be rigorous
and work hard. But also you know, remember that it's like,
you know, timing, timing is important. You know, some of
these songs are going to just date and like float
around your consciousness for years before they're ready to come out.

(50:36):
And so just just look around, just enjoy being in
the world, like be present in the world.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
That's probably the best advice right there.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
Maybe I don't, I don't know, I think.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So, because if you're if you're if you're noses in
the book too much so to speak, then you're missing
out of the experience you could be writing about. Right Yeah, yeah,
you might get something from the book or you might
get something from you know, keeping your head down. But
the more the more authentic thing, or the more honest

(51:09):
thing is going to come from looking outside of yourself,
right I think, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
I I completely agree. I think that it's true too,
Like the best way to I mean, the best way
to help yourself is to help somebody else, right, I mean, yeah,
it's like that's where we're lost in it.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Well, I won't go down that tent. Well there's a tangent.
I will go down and I'll loose.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
It's I mean, it's there's a lot, you know, it's
like the I think a lot about like the like
my my, you know, I'm thirty seven years old. You know,
I didn't become like a huge rockstar when I was
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
And we're still time.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
You get to be you get to be thirty, and
you you re examine you're like why I've been the
last few years it's been like why, examining why exactly
I feel the need to do this, Like how much
of that is my ego? You know, all this stuff,
and and the best thing you can do, I think,

(52:15):
is just to be out there, like really being in
the world and connecting with people like you have.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Focus to people. You have focus on the one. If
there's one person that has told you this is good,
this means something to me. I'm glad you put this
song out. Listen to that voice, because if there's one,
there's more than one for sure. Maybe you haven't found
them yet, but they're out there. And don't just do
it for your own sake. Do you write every day?

Speaker 6 (52:47):
I try? I try. I pick up the guitar every
day and see what like. And some days it's like
nothing clearly not gonna happen. And I think a big
part of like maturing as an artist is knowing how
to like remain a functional person, like in the times
that the tap is not flowing.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Do you like to co write? Some people don't.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
I It really depends on the individual I'm working with,
but yeah, but yeah, I do like the I like
the potential, and I think it's awesome. I think it
the fact that you it makes me nervous sure, Like
I mean, it's like what we're doing now is pretty

(53:32):
it's weird, like we've never met before, we're talking for
the first time and recording it.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Well.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I saw I should have mentioned this earlier. I saw
you play Kevin Daily is our connect.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
Kevin Dale.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, he was the several episodes behind this one. But
I saw y'all play at spring Water. We got it
right this time because in Kevin's episode, really It's.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
Called you Couldn't Remember this Spring Though.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Where I was calling it still Water, he was called
isn't the band from almost Famous? That's what I said
in the episode.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
Great movie, great movie.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I can shout, yeah, I've seen that like ten times
and now I want to see it again. Yeah, but
I saw you. I think you played with them, but
you did some of your own songs as well.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Right, it was a weird gig.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
It was awesome. I loved really that show.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
I felt very weird.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
But I'm a sucker for like a kind of stripped
back small venue like spring Water is a pretty small,
pretty divy. Yeah, and you know you're not in there
with a two hundred other people. It was intimate. Maybe
that's the word I'm looking for. That's what I liked.
So to hear Kevin and Kylie are monster songwriters. And

(54:49):
then I didn't know who you were at the time,
but I leaned. I think it was with Micah Talks.
I leaned over. I'm like, dude, this guy, I can
write a song that's cool.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
Remember that. I remember that table and yeah, it's uh,
you know, it's interesting. Like Kevin and Kylie are so.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
They're so cool and they're not. What I like about
them is they're not trying to be cool at all.
They just are. And the fact that they like, you know,
it's like certain people. Yeah, it keeps me. They're so
encouraging in such a such an authentic cool way, Like

(55:37):
it's just like that. Yeah, they're so lovely and I
think about I think about them often, and I Kevin
is so busy making music and they've got you know,
they're busy raising their kids. And but I think about
them a lot. And Hey, call me. He will too,
call me because I want to hang out. I want

(55:58):
you got to meet Kristen. Yeah, they're the best.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Anything else you want to say to Kevin pass On?

Speaker 6 (56:04):
So hey keV, Hey, Hey Kevin. Listen. Man, we were
hanging out like a year ago, watching a movie at
your house and I got up to you as the
bathroom and I know you guys paused the movie for
me and I didn't come back for a while, and
I just want to apologize I took a phone call
and I'm sorry, No, that didn't happen at all.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Oh, you know you ruined it. It would have been great.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
I made it up good.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Sorry.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
Yeah, they're They're the best. That's why I came here.
I was like, if this is something Kevin thinks I
should do, then I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Well, that's good, Thanks Kevin for hooking it up. We're
having a good time.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
I think this is fun.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Last question and then we'll keep drinking. Yeah, I've been
asking this recently. To end every interview, you can go
back and listen to one record again, as if you've
heard it for the first time. What would it be. Dang,

(57:10):
it's a good one, right, it's a good question.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
Yeah, yeah, damn. I don't know. Man, that's that's tough.
Probably something I heard when I was a kid. I'm trying.
I'm thinking about like albums I listened to, maybe like
Hanson's first record, Middle of Nowhere, that first Boys to Men.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Record, Boys to Men Had It? Is that the kind
of stuff you listened to as a kid.

Speaker 6 (57:44):
I listened to a lot of pop radio, Yeah, a
lot of Tracy Chapman, So it was like mainly stuff that.
Like my I wasn't like really out like like discovering music.
I mean eventually I was, but in the beginning it
was kind of like like I would kind of like

(58:05):
take whatever my sister was listening to. But like I remember,
like in my bedroom like Headphones, boom Box, Melancholy in
the Infinite Sadness just like like holy and just like
like yeah, that's it. That's that is like a the

(58:27):
kids call them core memories. But yeah, like laying on
the floor.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Like you remember the feeling.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
I remember it feeling really powerful, just like and you
know tonight tonight, just like like what even is this like?
And wanting to hear it over and over again, these
songs like zero yeah, just like I mean yeah, So
my uncle Doug bought my sister like that Christmas that

(58:57):
year he got her first Raging as the Machine album
and Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness and those I remember those.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Cool. Uncle Uncle Doug.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
Is the coolest. He actually, he just reached out to
me and he was like he's like, I'm going through
your Instagram and these song clips are really good. He's
like he said, you're a real artist.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Finally made it.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
I'm like Uncle Doug, thank you man. Yeah, those so
like Mary Mary is my sister has always she's got
great taste and so and I I really do like
my mom. She like she was like onto some cool
stuff like like Tracy Chapman, Johnny Mitchell Simon and Garfune

(59:39):
Cole like like all this stuff. I was hearing it
and just like, I mean, my like my little mind
was just being blown regularly, just like what is even happening?
Like I couldn't even I mean, it was just like
so interesting.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Now how those early records is as kids shape us
as writers. Now.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
It's just in there. It's just in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Pumpkins is a big one for me too.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
It's just in there, man. Like, and I I think
about like all the pop, like all the Max Martin
stuff I was hearing on the radio like these, just
like it's all in there, yeah you know, And it's
just like and there's no way that you can It
just comes out in its own way. That's what makes
us all so neat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It's weird, it is.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
It is, I know. So yeah, you know, an album,
I don't know, you know what I sat around. I
have a memory of of sitting around listening to that
first Nickel Creek record with my mom and my sister Mary.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
That's a great album.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
And just like beautiful songs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
And I like how it's all over the map for you,
Like you're talking about rage and smashing Pumpkins and Nickel
Creek handsome.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
I'm a song. I like songs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
It's a song.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
Yeah, it's like I like when yeah, I like it all,
I really do. Yeah, oombop, I forget about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Come on, man, those lyrics are hard.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
Dud song was number one, like twenty one countries or something.
It's crazy. Those kids were like dancing around on Oprah's couch.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
That's true.

Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
It's it's cool. I remember seeing that band. It actually
was important to me because I was like, holy crap,
Like I was like these like they're children.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
I was like, these kids are tearing up the charts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah. And they were good at interviews. They were like confident.
I know, they were just like who weren't even kids?

Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
They were like they're from Tulsa, yeah or something. I think,
And I'm just like think about like I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Wonder if their dad was really hard on them. I
always think about kid bands in relationships to like the Jackson.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
I don't think they're NEPO. If I remember correctly, they're
like Hanson's not. Yeah, Like I think their parents are
like cool. I don't think they're famous, right, which is
awesome because like, I'm pretty sure they were just like
religious and their parents were like, you guys should be
in a start a group. And they probably played locally.

(01:02:08):
And then somebody was like at Mercury Records was like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
They did they write bop?

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
They wrote it with the Dust Brothers. Yeah, the Dust
Brothers produced their Like I think I may be misspeaking,
but I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I wonder how many writers are on that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
I'm gonna look it up. Oh, I did look this
up and it was written by I think he was
written by So it was Taylor, Isaac and Zach. I
think Zach wrote it the drummer and he was the
young I'm looking it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Up because if it has one writer, that's that's gonna
be pretty great. I mean, there's all kinds of other
ways to make money off of that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Master who wants Yeah, probably probably like one hundred year
sunset class. I don't know, man, Maybe maybe their parents
was maybe they were smart and they like hired like
a legit attorney to look over this deal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Well, there's some of those songs where you just want
to protect them with your life, no matter where is it.
Come on now?

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Composition and lyrics, Isaac Hanson, Taylor Hanson, Zachary Hanson, just
the three the brothers. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I bet one of them wrote it and that's just
their deal, Like, well, totally, we all wrote it. I'm
sure we're all got to share.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
I'll bet I would. If i'm I would put money
on the fact that Taylor just kind of like improvise
that song.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Well, Carl Anderson, thanks for being here.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
That was such a wild experience. That's fun, right, It
actually was extremely fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I legitimately, if we just randomly met people and we're like, hey,
you gonna come over and talk because you say it's
a podcast, people are like.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Sure, dude, I don't even want this to be over.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
It's not over, dude.

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
How messed up is that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Do a part two? What's another song? Dude?

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
How embarrassing is that? I feel I'm embarrassed that I'm why, Well,
I'm just gonna be sad to go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
That means a lot to me. Well, I'll be sad
for you to go but here's what we can do.
We'll pick another song and do another episode.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Yeah, but we've got to like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
What if we do an episode with Kevin brother, Let's
do that. We'll do that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
Yeah, but are we ready to be like stars?

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
It's gonna be because it could be two years to plant.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
So you know, Yeah, getting on Kevin's calendars, good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
We'll get him.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Do you have anything you want to say to anyone
where they can find you? Do you have any shows
coming up? Anything like that?

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
Listen, I'm kind of like just chilling right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
You're going to play a song for us live?

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
No, No, I mean I could if you want, you
can really sure?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
No way you want to?

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Yea guitar. It might not be tuned.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
If you're used to having this much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Enter the child actor.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
And unlit stay gen.

Speaker 12 (01:06:11):
Written page, fumbling in the dark.

Speaker 11 (01:06:17):
He knows not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
What to say.

Speaker 11 (01:06:21):
No director, no producer, just a player, born to play.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
The role of a lifetime.

Speaker 12 (01:06:37):
So Nuancein's so cool, the kind of shit that you
can't learn in school.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
The actor Praise to Jesus, praise.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
He hits the big time.

Speaker 11 (01:06:56):
Miss folks can quit their day.

Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
Jobs while all he grows beneath the limelight. The child
without the childhood, who comes of age in Hollywood gives
a little of himself to every part. He paid to

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watch him suffer for his art. All the sun came
up and it went back down. Paparozzi followed him all

(01:07:49):
over town, looking skinny.

Speaker 11 (01:07:52):
In the papers. They began to.

Speaker 12 (01:07:57):
Speculate about the act, and is rather fragile until state.

Speaker 11 (01:08:07):
They said he couldn't handle.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
The money, all the fame.

Speaker 12 (01:08:14):
It was clear to see that this was not some
fabricated pain. There's an old motel on the sunset where
they say he used to go.

Speaker 11 (01:08:30):
After he would score, this little room where he lay low,
drifting in and.

Speaker 12 (01:08:40):
Out of consciousness for days.

Speaker 11 (01:08:45):
By the time his brother.

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
Found him, he.

Speaker 12 (01:08:50):
Was already to let.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
The child was out outood it comes.

Speaker 13 (01:09:02):
Of age in Hollywood, gives a little of himself to
every poem. Pay to watch him suffer for his art,
and enter the child actor.

Speaker 11 (01:09:38):
An unlit stage and on written page, fumbling in the dark.
He knows not what to say, No director, no producer,
just a player born to play.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
WHOA, that was cool. That's a great song. Yeah, thanks
for playing that, of course, that was awesome. And we
got my neighbor's dog.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
The dog.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
So sick. So you can't. I mean, that's the kind
of stuff you just can't pay for. Magic or like
it's magic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Someone please tell me how to get my neighbor's dogs
to stop barking. It's great. Great.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
The fact that it happened right at the end is interesting.
Thank you for letting me play.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
That was nice. Of course, thanks for doing that. Usually
that doesn't happen, and I love that, so thanks for
being here, Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
Thank you so much, and good luck. This podcast is
as in preparation for doing this, I listened to an
episode with this guy, Kevin Day and this is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Who we barely mention it all.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
Yeah, I don't know Kevin Daily is he's a songwriter, producer, engineer,
multi instrumentalist. I mean, the guy's really he's quite gifted. Yeah,
it's this. Good luck with with this. This is awesome.
It's such a cool. It's really neat. I've I love podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
You do, I really do, I really do work.

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
This is a song about song about song about my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Work Tapes is produced by me Brandon Carson. Special thanks
to Carl Anderson, who you can find at the Karl
Anderson dot com. This episode was brought to you by
Duke Timeless Spirits. Production assistants by Micah Talks. Cover art
by Harrison Hudson. All songs in this episode were used

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by permission. Listen and subscribe to work Tapes wherever you
listen to your favorite podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Is it true?

Speaker 11 (01:12:20):
Are we forgiving?

Speaker 8 (01:12:22):
And in?

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Oh friends?

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
When we are gone? What will be left behind? Beside
trust funds or coin collections? We live on through our stories,
the legends and legacies that tell of our greatest successes,
our wildest ideas, our biggest failures. And what better vehicle
for a story than music. Our musical heritage holds many

(01:13:06):
truths about our humanity and perhaps even more mysteries.

Speaker 14 (01:13:10):
I mean, my whole thing here is basically a theory.
There's nothing here that I can prove or disprove.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
Join me in my quest for answers as I explore
untold stories.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
You know, breathe a little bit of life back in
a dial scudience.

Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
That's my contribution to the band.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
Go on unforeseen adventures.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
We are getting in Munich ninety two.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
My son Walker in this one's for a year. This
is Will's handwriting.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
Dive deep into conversations with some household names.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
Hey, this is Amy Grant, Hey what is Vince.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
Kild Hello, this is Ben Folds, and peer into dusty
corners of the Internet.

Speaker 14 (01:13:46):
I am in full belief that KINGK Floyd intentionally wrote
their album Dark Side of the Move to line up
with the Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
Hear from those whose hearts define what it means to
be human.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
That really it don't discriminate. It's for the day that
I know that to bring people to yellow if.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
You put a smile on a kid's face and you've
done a day's work.

Speaker 7 (01:14:10):
And those who knew the stakes of their calling.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
My first thought was, oh, this is fifty grand, that
says Arouth fifty grand. They heard me saying, They said, well,
wait a minute, we get ready to do this, Scooby,
do this thing.

Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
Get him join the journey. As I see how far
my questions can get me, what is the power that
music holds to do this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
It's like the scientists like, I don't really know why
this works all the time, but every time I do it,
it works.

Speaker 7 (01:14:34):
But when we search for answers, we rarely find the
ones we expect, and sometimes we realize that we don't
need an answer at all. From Wise Company Productions, I'm
Jonas Litton and this is Stories and Sounds.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Where you dreaming of the hear to snap, you'd say,
there's it used to be?

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
Which is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
What is? Then? By your stories and sun

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
Available wherever you listen to your favorite sounds