Episode 52 - Emma Zinck - Party Song

In Episode 52 we hear from singer, songwriter & ripping guitarist Emma Zinck! We talk about going viral on social media, writing what you feel vs writing commercial and we listen to the original worktape of “Party Song”

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Episode intro music written by Brandon Carswell & produced by Micah Tawlks - "Back To Us" Worktapes show cover art designed by Harrison Hudson **All songs used by permission**

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (00:54):
Com Welcome to work Tapes.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
This is a podcast where we tear our songs. Why
was the song written? What's it about? What's the context
and emotion behind it? Where were you at the time,
what were you going through? How did certain minds come
to you? What's the inspiration? How long did it take
to write? I'm Brandon Carswell and I'm fascinated with songwriting

(01:28):
and how songs are built from the ground up. It's
easy to hear a full production song on the radio
and dismiss its origin story. I want to hear the
rough draft of the song or the work tapes. I
want to explore the very beginning with how songs that
move us and make us move are born.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
This breakup.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Ain't enough money in the bankrupt learning, the tanks all empty,
can't eadn't feel it. That's the gates, mother, I don't
know the situation therapist on vacationine, I'm gonna throw enough this.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Rady only gotcha. I need a party song. The condom
makes you want to go on a.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Later on the ceiling with a disco let maybe screaming.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Like hello everyone, and welcome to work tapes. This is Brandon.
I am joined today by Emma's Inc. What's going on?
You're gonna pull up mic, I'm just in touch, okay, Tad.
We want everyone to hear your voice. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

(02:59):
how are you. I'm great, I'm glad. We got this
scheduled and done. Yeah, it's almost done, almost done. What's
going on with you? How's it going?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's going good. I'm just you know, writing, playing music,
trying to keep my life together, you know how it goes.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yes, I definitely understand. I think we all are.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, putting out music. It's it's been good. It's been fun.
It's been like, I'm not writing as much as I was,
so it's been a cool shift to just focus on
putting out music and stuff. So that's been cool.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Are you able to Are you good at doing both
at the same time?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Sometimes?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I just I feel like I have so many
songs that I want them to see the light of day, right,
and I feel like I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah,
let's not write anymore. Like what about this song from like,
oh yeah three years ago that I still love and
play out and means a lot to me.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
You can put the writing on hold enough to focus
in on like your catalog.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, for sure, and kind of having like my publishing
now being out of a deal, I don't feel stressed
to like go into an office and write. Not that
that's stressful at all. I mean, to get paid to
write music.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Is, yeah, but there's still a pressure, like you have
to turn in a certain amount of songs and so
you have to write for sure. So you can't just
focus on pushing what you want, and pushing these days
is like almost full time job. Yeah, social media and
just all the like trying to get on playlists and

(04:50):
all the stuff is.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Like, yeah, that's definitely been like a learning curve, like
working with different people and trying to figure out how
you get your music out there better, Like, yeah, well
kind of things you should post on TikTok and that
whole thing, while still trying to stay like authentic to yourself.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
And yeah, do you ever scroll through and you see
like everyone's everyone will start a video with here's what
you should do, here's what you should do. Ye're all different, Yes,
they're all saying something different, which this means no one
knows what to do, right, I don't know. If it's
a good song, posts it and talk about it and
it'll maybe get traction right or make a goofy video

(05:37):
if you want to do that, right.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, I try and do a mix of I think.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
You're good at it. I mean we can move into
this part, but maybe explain to people how you started
the music. You can go back as early as you want,
but yeah, what led you into music and then what
got you to where you are currently is an interesting story,
So do you want to give us that? Absolutely cool?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, let me go back as far as I can't.
I was always in like choir again in school and stuff.
I went to a private Christian school, and I was
always in the choir and singing. And then I remember,
I think it was middle school, my dad was taking

(06:25):
guitar lessons and I just thought guitar was cool. And
I was like, I've always been kind of like a tomboy,
and I'm like I wanted to do whatever my dad
was doing because I thought it was cool, and he
was taking guitar lessons. I was like, man, I want
to learn how to play guitar. And that was like
when I started listening to like, you know, today's music,
pop music, and so then I started picking up the

(06:47):
guitar and started learning like Katy Perry or like Avril Lavigne.
And then in middle school there was like a worship
band of the worship team, so I joined the worship
team and started playing guitar and singing.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Where was this? What where are you from?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I'm from Stafford, Virginia, say Fredericksburg just because people know
kind of no more, kind of claimed Fredericksburg but technically Stafford. Yeah,
and it was called Fredericksburg Christian Schools is where I
went went. Yeah, I started playing worship music and then
when I was home, I was playing Katy Perry and

(07:27):
Vine and.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Like did you have to did you have to hide that?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
My parents were totally cool. They were super encouraging. They
would like they had this like little karaoke mic and
this like tiny little amp and they would like set
me up downstairs in the living room and be like,
learn this song, learn that song. And they would make
me learn like a bunch of like anything from like

(07:53):
the Doobie Brothers to like Leonard Skinnyard and then to
like Merle Haggard and like the Cline like all.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
The They noticed early on that you were really good, Yeah,
good enough to learn those kinds if they're telling you
to learn those kind of songs. Yeah, And what you
were in middle school?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, I was like thirteen, twelve thirteen. I think I
started playing guitar when I was like eleven, then started
getting into singing, and then I joined like the Talent show.
I ended up like winning the talent show at school
at school and that whole thing.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
And nice what song did you win with.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Keep Holding On by Abril Levine?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh? Really at a Christian school. I guess they could
turn that into a worship song, right, Yeah, I want
to say Christian high school too. Oh cool, we have
a similar story.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah that's yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I didn't want any contests though. Yeah, well we didn't
have a contest, I don't think, right right, No talent
shows there.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah. And then high school I just kept playing music.
I thought about joining sports, but I was just so
already wrapped up and learning music. And yeah, I feel
like I kind of knew what I wanted to do
already in high school, and I was just like so
ready to pursue whatever that was. Yeah. So I would

(09:20):
just most of the time just go home and play
guitar and listen to music. And I had friends. I
wasn't like a total like quote unquote loser, I.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Guess, but guitar loser.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, for sure. I definitely wasn't into I don't know,
just high school and the social life and kind of
already saw vision for my life and it was like, yeah,
I don't know, what would have.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Been your biggest influence for that vision? For like musically speaking,
because you you learn how to play through church and
your dad.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
And all of that.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right, So, but then there must have been some kind
of connection with an artist or a record or something
that you were like, this is what I want to do.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, well, I've actually forgot to tell you. My first
instrument was piano, and I was playing piano when I
was like six, so that kind of carried on, and
it was interesting. I was super influenced by like the
edgy women like Avril Levine, but then I was like
also super influenced by Sarah Burrellis and like Adele and
piano driven stuff mainly just like a female vocal that

(10:33):
like has some emotion to it. Yeah, so all those
ladies rad ass ladies and.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
You will pink Okay, they had attitude.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah yeah. And then country. I got more into country
and high school and I started getting into Electricia Yearwood
and okay, all those old records to my dad would
play like Merle Haggard and I remember like sugar Land.
I used to sing a bunch of our song their songs,

(11:05):
and yeah, I have a lot of influences. And then
like a lot of like like I was saying, Doobie
Brothers or like Leonard Skinner, like a lot of classic
rock yeah influences and stuff is where I like, I
wanted to learn to play guitar, right.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Which we should speak to like, you're a really good guitarists.
You're not just up there like rhythm strumming. You're playing,
You're like lead. You're good.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Thanks, I appreciate it. I feel like I'm faking it sometimes.
My god, you're definitely playing this pattern again.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
It doesn't feel like you're faking it? What what? So
you said like Leonard Skinner, so like as more because
the way that you play is kind of you can
tell me if I'm wrong, but it's more rock and
roll the way you play guitar, for sure. So what
would have like influenced that playing?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, I guess like a lot of like led Zeppelin stuff.
Influenced by John Mayer quite a bit too. Yeah, any
and I got into like that whole punk pop world
ab Levine Paramore, yeah esque for a minute. So did
you take to Harry Clark Junior?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Would you have taken time and like learned all of
those kinds of songs?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, kind kind of a lot of John Mayer stuff.
I always go back to Aver Levine because she was
like I would learn like all her songs, like the
super chuggy Yes, power Cordy stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Did you metal?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Not really? No, nothing, nothing too crazy. Like the farthest
I went it was Metallica and I'll play, I just play.
I still play a cover of like Enter Sandman.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
My kids love Metallica.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah they're sick. Yeah metal, that'sn't too crazy. I got
into like, have you ever heard of the band fly Leaf?
They were like a Christian based They weren't metal, but
they were like punk pop rock type stuff. I'll out, Yeah,

(13:18):
got into them for a little while. I had the
whole side Bangs thing going on, all right, went through
that phase for sure.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
But then high school, like I said, got into country
and there was this competition locally going on called country
idol okay, and I tried out for it, and I
like wore the cowboy boots and the cowboy hat and
stuff and like it was like yeah, whatever. And I
remember I tried out and I didn't make make it

(13:53):
the first time around, and I think I was just
like not focused or whatever. I had some friends. It
was like at the at the mall, Yeah, my friends
are there or whatever, and I didn't make it, and
there was another day of tryouts and I tried out again.
I was like, okay, I'm going to like focus, like
focus and like crush it or try to. And then

(14:14):
I ended up making it and I went through the
first round, second round, and then I ended up winning it,
which was crazy. I was like sixteen seventeen. I didn't
really know. I think I knew what it meant at
the time. And one of the prizes was like, oh,
you get to open up for somebody at like the
local concert venue. I was like an outside festival in Fredericksburg.

(14:39):
I think it was called Celebrate Virginia Live. I don't
know if that's still what it's called. But I got
to open up for Dirk Spentley Oho my senior year
of high school, and that was I think probably the
biggest turning point.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Was that, like, a what year was that, tony fifteen?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Maybe twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, my brother works for Dirk, so that's.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Why I was asked, oh cool, Really he was probably there,
That's cool. What's your brother's name?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
His name is Sean.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Sean Okay. I don't know if I met him or not.
I remember I met his tour manager. Yeah, so there's
this whole crazy story if we have time for it.
So I got told I was gonna open up for
Derek Spentley by whoever ran the competition, and then I

(15:34):
was we were talking with the venue and they were like, hey,
we have too many openers, Like I don't think you're
gonna be able to open up for Dirk Spentley, And
my seventeen year old heart was like crushed.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I was like so excited. My entire school knew about it,
and like we were talking about it, like the principal
was talking about it on the like the announcements or whatever.
And so then like I just started this like tweeting
about it, like tweeting to Dirks, and I was like, hey,
I won this competition, like I was promised, so I
was gonna get to open up for you, like just

(16:09):
want to reach out there or whatever. And I made
like a hashtag like let emmazinc open for Dirks. Yeah,
and then like my entire school got behind it, all
the other high schools in the county like got behind it,
and it became like this like low key viral hashtag.
And then a couple of days later I get a
call from Dirks's tour manager and he's like, hey, I

(16:33):
talked to Dirks. We saw your tweets, like, yeah, let's
go ahead, you can you can open up, like it'll
be cool.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
He's a good dude.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, it was cool. And I got to meet him,
and then when he was playing, they like brought me
backstage and me and my best friend.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
From back home and how old were you then?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Seventeen?

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Seventeen? Okay, that's big stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, So that was like the I think, this solidifying
thing for me where I was like, this is what
I want to do.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, what did it feel like? How big was the crown?
Is it?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
It was pretty big?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Pretty big? Yeah, it's like your biggest m show. How
many songs did you play?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Maybe like six six something like mostly covers? So that's
an original.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
That's at least like what thirty minutes? Yeah, thirty minutes?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, about about thirty minutes. I had a band and.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Man at seventeen, that was like top of the world.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
I better. Yeah, yeah, for sure?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Did you do good?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I hope so I think you know, I mean it
was I don't know, what is that like eight years
nine years ago? Now?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, did you do good for nine years ago?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I hope I did good. I think I did. So
it was nervous.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Is something like that could easily have giving you a
stepping stone to something else, or it could have just
fallen apart and that been your thing? So what happened
after that?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I think I was so driven, especially after that, and
like fighting for to be able to be on the stage.
I look back now and I'm like, dang, that was
like really ballsy. But I remember Dirk's like complimenting me

(18:30):
for it.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
And Casey James moment.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, Casey James was one of the other openers and
he was like shouting me out on stage. He's like,
good for you for like stand up for yourself whatever.
And yeah, I finished out high school because it was
like the beginning of my senior year, and I definitely
got senior writis. I was like checked out. I was

(18:55):
like I gotta get I gotta get to Nashville, Like
I don't even I just got to graduate and get
to Nashville. And then I started second guessing myself. I'm like,
all my friends are going to college, maybe I should
try and get an education. So I tried to go
to community college and I went to one class and

(19:17):
they were like, hey, this textbook is going to be
two hundred three hundred dollars, And I was just thinking
my head, like, dang, I could buy a guitar pedal
or I could you know what I mean? Like, I
was already so set and I kind of that was
the only class I went to. I was like, screw it.
I'm already committed to what I want to do and
I'm going to make a plan to move.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
So I were you Were you writing songs at that time?
M okay, so the set you did at that show
were your own.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
We only played I think one or two originals and
the rest were covers.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I think actually a Simple Man by Leonard Skynyrd was
one of the sides.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
How early did you start writing your own?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I think I was thirteen when I wrote my first song?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah? Yeah, you just did? You love that process? Like?
Do you still love that process?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
There's some people like get a little annoyed by it
or whatever, but I.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Love it still. I feel like it's I've been challenging
myself lately to try and write alone again because I
feel like I used that's how you start started is
writing by yourself. And one of my favorite songs that
I still played to this day is I wrote mostly
by myself and I ended up bringing it in to

(20:45):
somebody here in Nashville to finish it up. But it's
still one of my favorite songs because it was so
just like, I don't know, before you move to town
and people tell you, like, this is how you write
a song, right, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's that's that's a good little thing to piggyback on
is when you start writing really young. The same story.
Start writing when I was thirteen fourteen. You're not thinking
about any of that stuff. You're just loving the process.
It could be a bad song whatever, but you're like

(21:20):
in your room or you're wherever you are writing your
song and you're totally in a different universe. Yeah, and
then you're proud of this thing you wrote, and then
you take then you keep writing, and you go to
Nashville because that's where you go, or whatever city it is,
and then they just have no problem crushing your writing dreams, like, right,

(21:46):
maybe you should do this or maybe you should do that,
And like some of that's well intended and some of
it's good advice. But it's it gets you could get
a little jaded also with that, like why can't I
get back to this feeling?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yes, that's what I was literally about to say, Like
you remember that feeling you had when you were just
creating and you felt it, and like whether it was
the perfectly crafted song or whatever, like you were still
able to channel that emotion to be able to create
what you felt at the time. I feel like that

(22:21):
hasn't completely gotten lost for me, But sometimes I question
it when I'm writing and I feel that flow thing
start happening, and I'm like, oh, well, does this make
sense for the hook? Does everything go back to the hook?
Do I have to write? You know, you get all
those things in your head of like how you're supposed
to craft a well written song. While those things are
like absolutely valuable, and I'm so thankful and lucky to

(22:45):
be able to have shared the room with as many
wonderful hit songwriters as I have, but it's also like
I don't want to lose that feeling of like creating
something that you get that flow state of and like
you get passionate about and you just feel it coming
out rather than thinking too much about it.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Do you ever go into a co write like that?
And this happens to me, And this is why I'm asking,
do you ever go into a co write like that?
And then you feel like you're at a certain point
in the song and you're kind of just feeling like
a little rebellious, like you don't want to go the
business route. You don't want to go like, I don't

(23:29):
care about writing this top hit song right now. I
just want to write what I'm thinking and what I
feel like it should go this way. And you know,
but there's a there's a little bit of a method
going on here that I don't want to follow.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, that makes sense, an argument that I have in
my brain every time I write, which it's I don't know,
it's like a It's interesting too. I feel like how
the industry is changing because you have people like you know,
Zach Bryan that come along and I feel like he

(24:04):
just writes what he what he feels, you know what
I mean? Yeah, And I feel like the industry is
changing in such a way where it's like, if you
create something that is true to you and you have
people that believe you when you say it and you're
authentic about it, I don't know if it necessarily has

(24:28):
to be this like Nashville way of writing. So I
feel like I try and ride. I don't know. It's
a it's an interesting place to be in in the
industry now where it's like I'm still trying to play
the industry a little bit, yeah, but also and be

(24:49):
commercial enough but also not lose what I think is
in Yeah, what I think is interesting and cool and different.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, it's like it's like I don't want.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
To be a carbon copy of something that's already been done,
but I want to have similarities to where people can
like digest it. Sure, it's interesting to try and write
something commercial but also still stay true to yourself. It's
a it's a fun game to play.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I don't know about fun.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I feel like if I were to write stuff that
I wasn't even thinking about the industry, it would be like,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Even know, maybe it shouldn't weird.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right, way too off the wall. No.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
The thing about that is that if if nobody was
ever that unique, we wouldn't have any good music. Yeah,
everyone would just be copying everyone else, which I feel
like at Ebbs and Flows, you'll have like somebody will
get really big off the back of some other genre,
some other artists, who was the flagship sound for this

(25:58):
and then someone else unique comes along and everyone's like,
what the heck is that? And something happened and it
blew up. But what you don't know is how much
that artist was pushed down because their sound was too
weird or unique or whatever. But that's what people want. Yeah,

(26:20):
Like I always I uh interviewed a guy on this
podcast called Louis Prince, and one of the things he
said in his episode was people want the weirdest parts
of you, so don't deprive them of that. That's cool,
Like push it out there.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
And I feel like I needed to hear that.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, make it weird. Yeah, just write it like you
know to your point, go back and write by yourself.
If that's what you have to do to find the
weird stuff. You can always change it if you need to.
But and then pitch those songs. If you're making a record,
I'd say, like pull out some of the weird ones
with some of the commercial ones if that's what you

(27:01):
want to do, and see how they fit together. They
might not, but they might. Plus if you own everything,
of course, make it TikTok video. Yeah, speaking of which,
that's part of how you blew up, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah? It was a Instagram and surreals. Yeah, same difference,
same same devil, different demon.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know, how did that go? What was that? What
was that story?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah? I saw this, I guess I saw it on
reels or TikTok. The guy Scott Hoeing from the group Pentatonics.
Did you ever get into them?

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I know who they are. I didn't listen to them.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I was like obsessed with them in high school.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
I was in like an a cappella group and.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, well you've got a crazy vocal range, which I
was going to mention it's insane. Thanks continues.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah. I was just like so obsessed with harmonies and
how they fit together and all that stuff. And I
saw his video of his same arrangement of that talking
to the moon thing you're talking about, and I was
watching him do it, and I was like, huh, I
wonder if I could do that. I was like, obviously

(28:24):
we need to be in a different keys. He's going
like way too low for me. I was like, let
me transpose it and figure out what parts he's singing.
And I just kind of was got super passionate about
it and started building the parts up and I'm like, okay,
like maybe I need to He's in this key, Like,
let me transpose here. What's the lowest note I can hit?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
You go pretty well?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I was like, I think it's like a low bah
or something.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
It almost doesn't sound like you. Yeah, it's low.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I don't even know what it. Let me see what
if I can find them.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I listened to it this morning.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
It it's low as as for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
It's called talking to the moon.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Talking to them. That's as low as it goes. Yeah,
that's where it is.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
But then compared to the highest yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Dun, yeah it's out there, dude crazy, there's Emma's rain
made the mic peek out. But yeah, I was just
doing it because I thought it was sick. And then
I posted it and it was weird. It was like

(29:41):
up for a couple of weeks and then it just
started going viral, like weeks after weds.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
How that happens, right, Yeah, I made like a coffee
like what's going on? Yeah? I made a coffee reel.
Once I got like ten ten thousand, fifty thousand views
or something, and like I said, and it just was
blowing up and I was like, what.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
The heck, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, doesn't But
it was cool. I know a lot of people, Like
one of the main comments on there was like, that's
a boy. I mean, this is not a female. And
I'm like, it sounds really low because it is really
low for me. But if a guy were to sing
this note, it wouldn't sound that low super low for yeah,

(30:24):
And if.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
A guy was singing that is high range, they would
say sounds like a girl, right.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, it was. It was cool though it was It
gave me a lot of followers, and it I got
the taste of like what can happen with the algorithm
and stuff I guess and trying to I guess capitalize
off of that. Now there is like a I guess

(30:52):
a con of you know, do I still keep doing
those videos?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Right? That's what I was going to ask, you know,
do you try to replicate that thing or do you
just keep going and see see if it happens again?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah? I don't. I feel like and that's a thing
where like we get and we get into that space
of like overthinking. It's like why I'm like, oh, well,
are people only going to know me for doing harmony stacks?
And I'm like maybe, but like still put out your
other stuff too.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
And you're guitar solo videos do that?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah? Thanks. I don't know. I'm just like a music
I'm just like obsessed with music and I feel like
that's all I want to do.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
But it'll come across.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I think comes to sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
No, when it when you're most authentic, I think it
comes across. People want to see that. They want to
see the like to my point earlier, they want to
see the weird parts, but they want to see you
being authentic for sure, not weird for the sake of
being weird and trying to get views. But I think
that's what it means. It's like if you're if you're authentic,

(32:07):
and that means you write a song that's not commercial,
or you make a video that's a little off the wall,
that's fine, Yeah, do that right, that's what people want.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I feel like it's just putting everything out there.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, don't pay attention to anyone else. That doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yes, your vocal range is insane. I want people to
go listen to that talking to the Moon song. It
surprised me. I was like, this is because it comes
I was listening. I was listening to party Song, which
is the song we're going to talk about today, and
then that one came on right after and I didn't

(32:49):
have my phone. I was going to listen to party
song again, and so I just let it play and
I was like, this is this is insane. Thanks, it's
so crazy.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Appreciate it. I I don't think I realized that I
could do it. When I was doing it. It's like,
oh yeah, we can hit that note. It's like this
is like, can't go any lower or any higher. This
is it.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's very cool. It's not country.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Though, no, no, for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
But I feel like your stuff is like it's kind
of in its own lane because I don't feel like
any of it's really strictly country.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, it's more rock and roll to me. I hear
the country part of it, but I you know, I
tend to lean toward wanting things to be more rock
and roll anyway. Yeah, so that's probably why I'm saying that,
like I want it to be rock and roller contry, right.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, It's been interesting to try because I mean, I love.
I love country music, yeah, I really do. I love
the storytelling, I love the emotion that it can convey.
And you know, we've put out a couple of songs
and they're like up tempo ones, and I'm excited to
put out some ballid ones too that I feel like

(34:11):
I've only like broken the cusp of some of what
my sound is and need look at so many like
legendary artists that they have like some rocking stuff and
they have some ballad more country stuff, and I feel
like I'm just almost like, wait, wait, wait, wait, there's

(34:33):
more like this isn't this isn't it. This is just
like a flavor, right, which I feel like might take
some time to get across to people, like a few
releases to be like, oh, well does she do this?
Does she do that? And it's like that's where I'm

(34:55):
trying to find, you know, everybody's like, oh, you need
to find what's your lane? What's your lane? And but
what if there isn't If I'm just my own yeah lane.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well what if you change lanes? That's an option if
we're using that metaphor for sure. I mean, it's it's
so aggravating because I understand the lane thing. You want
people to be able to have a thing to buy.
You want them to have a thing like they know

(35:28):
what you're about, they know what you're going to be,
they know the style, they like it, and then you
change lanes and then you've lost your whole audience because
they don't like your weird radiohead sounding song all of
a sudden or whatever. And I understand that, but as
as an artist or or a writer, you also don't

(35:50):
want to pigeonhole yourself and what you're capable of. And
so that's why somebody, I think that's why so many
records like you have all these like You two did it,
Like they had all these killer albums and then they
put out pop and it was weird, and people are like,

(36:11):
what they're done right, And of course they weren't. And
I love that record. I think it's really it's called pop.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
And it's my first concert ever was a YouTube.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Oh that's a big show.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah I was.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I was obsessed with you two for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
They're pretty pretty tight.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
But yeah, that but but those those kind of bands
are those kind of artists, they can't not do it.
And you're probably the same way it's like talking to
you today, I don't feel like you're going to just
let some industry people walk over you and be like, well,

(36:56):
this is what you need, so this is what you
write and this is what paid your bills, so do
that for sure. And you're like, yeah, but I don't
need that, right.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So it's a tough balance with trying to because there's
I'm not trying to insult the industry. Sure I can't
get it. I get it, and I get that you
have to be a product and you have to be
marketable and stuff. But I think you can do that
with still staying true to yourself.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, hopefully.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
And I feel like if it's going to take a
little bit more time, you know, I feel like I
could have There's been quite a few situations where I
could have maybe signed something or worked with somebody and
it just wasn't the right thing, right, Yeah, And I'm like,

(37:45):
this is my you know, to some people, this is
a business, and it is a business, but to me,
it's like this is like my everyday living and breathing.
This is what I wake up and just how my
brain works music and creating and feelings or whatever. And
it's like I can't just sell it like that, Like

(38:10):
it needs to make sense to me. I need to
feel like I have a real cheerleader. Yeah, and somebody's
going to really be in my corner and understand what's
going on rather than just trying to make me a product,
and which, yes, you have to do that, but it's like, okay,
like try and understand who I am as an artist first.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And also these days to that point, you have much
more control as an artist than maybe artists used to
have with social media and things like obviously has its
own dangers and whatever, but as an independent artist, you
can put whatever you want on social media and have

(38:52):
your fans connect with you and then not necessarily need
the business to understand you.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
You you've now created your own you know, fan base
and they want you.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
I think that's the most important thing, is honestly right
right now.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, and it's tricky to learn how to grow that,
but again it's I think it's about being authentic. I mean,
I don't know, but but you also want to figure
out how to make a living.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, that's.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
So I get you, which is a good segue into
party song because this song first off is really fun.
And I think I read that this was kind of
that situation right where someone wanted you to write a
party song, right, yeah, yeah, So is this the risk

(39:51):
like the is this the party song they wanted you
to write? Or is this the middle finger to them?

Speaker 3 (39:57):
It's kind of it's kind of both, yeah, you know,
because I'm never trying to be like full on screw
the industry, and it's more so like, you know, you
need to do this because this is what everybody does,
and that's what you need. Is you need enough tempo,

(40:17):
you need a party song, you need you know whatever.
And it was kind of just like a sarcastic comeback,
like okay, like here here you.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Go, right.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
With like the wacky, weird way that I would.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I would do it wasn't. Didn't Sarah Burrellis do that.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
She did. She did it in a more like up
front way like I'm not going to write you a
love song, which I was like, more like if somebody
were to just listen to this song out of context
and be like, oh yeah, this girl just needs a
party song, right, which is kind of what I was
going for, which is good too.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
It's a it's a double edged sword for lack of
a better yeah phrase.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
But yeah, yeah. We wrote it in floor Obama, me
and Bridget Tatum and Trick Savage Okay wrote it out there.
I think we were out there for like Frank Brown
Songwriters Festival or something, and we were like, yeah, I

(41:17):
guess I need a party song. I need an up
tempo song. And Trek was like, well, why don't we
just write that?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah? Literally, that's fun. Yeah, it's a fun song and
it it It definitely is a party song. I mean
it's like I think I was thinking about this because
I tend to be like more of a serious writer.
I mean, I've written fun things before, but it always
kind of comes accidentally for me, the happy songs, And

(41:50):
so when I heard this song, I was like, this
is fun, Like this is needed and especially now, but
I think kind of always, people are always going through stuff. Yeah,
the world is always on fire. Yeah, and it's never calm,
and you'd need like a little bit of an escape
sometimes you need to be able to play and have

(42:11):
fun and it does not have to be so serious
all the time. Yeah for sure, like let your hair
down and go freak out.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, yeah for sure. And I think it was fun
to write and to create because I was able to
write lyrically, a kind of on the nose parties lyric,
but it being like having like a weird guitar lick
and like all the chord structure movements and the harmonies.

(42:47):
Try to incorporate some of that stuff because I love harmonies.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Well, it does move really cool, like in cool, like
goes to some like weird minor stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Then the hook hits, it goes back to the major.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
That's I'm like, well this I can do. I can
do that. If it's like we're making it musically interesting,
let's write a party song and make it weird. I
was going for like a Shanaiatoyin meets like Saint Vincent vibe. Yeah,
it's like kind of wacky but still like a party song.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, you can still sing so long to it. That's cool.
We should listen to the work tape. Is the work
tape you and Bridget and Trick Trick.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, I'm singing. I'm singing it and playing it, and
I think Trick's playing playing it too. Yeah, it's almost
it's interesting. Now, like to listen to the work tape
now and after we've like recorded it and stuff, and
how it's like just taking its own shape and too

(43:55):
what it was to what it is now. It's like
a whole step down from where we cut it.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna play it here one, two three, So
it's in a different key though.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah, it's a. It's an A in the records and
beat ain't enough money in the bank, Yep, we're in
the tanks on empty, getting to fill it up to
get tipsy.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Other other another situation there is on vacation. Probably gonna
throw in another bit, only gotcha.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I need a party song now, gonna makes you want
the best part we made in the record go double
time the cops and then it goes back to them.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Tell that d J bon I.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Need a party song that. I was like, we need
something else at the end of that lick, so I
was like, got a bet up the captain, I'll take
the ground.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Gotta be Broadway Downtown.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
We changed that lyric, which one is Broadway Downtown. I
was like, you can even hear when I was singing,
I'm like, I don't want to be saying this. I
was like, can we not say Broadway, Let's just say downtown?
Your brags tell that DJ one on time. Need a

(45:45):
party song song did like a Merle Haggarty bendy weird solo.
Need a party song makes you want to go, I'm
messed up here on the ceiling on a disco boat.

(46:08):
Let me screaming.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
You drinks up.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
J one.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Party song.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Song.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah, we have the fiddle? Is that?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Is that your lick? Did you write that?

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, it was like, what's something twangy?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, it's cool. It's almost like a it's like nineties country, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Or like reminds me of that Footloose song slowed down.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
That's why I was like, let's add something else else
to like get it off of that.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Right. What's your favorite lyric in that song? I like
to shoot the captain one yeah, yeah, me too, that's
your favorite?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, you shoot the captain, I'll take the crown yea
like saying like almost means like two things like yeah,
that kind of thing, right, Yeah, I think that was
what I think. I that was one of my lines,
and I was like, how do we say it in
a way that's like cool? You're so partying, right, I

(47:35):
like that therapist on vacation thing.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
That's a good line too, even though it's.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I don't know, it just feels like something that you
wouldn't say, but you would say.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Right, Well, you're looking you're looking for like you're saying
that you need an answer for something. Yeah, and so
all of these options are off the table. So I'm
just going to go party. Yeah, that's what I need
up And that does work. I mean it's a little
bit of it does work till until it doesn't. It

(48:08):
does until the next day.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
You're more depressed than you are, but you have the memory,
if you have.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
The memory, if you have the memory.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah. It's interesting too releasing this song when I've been
alcohol free for how do I just hit like nine months?
So it's just interesting to like be putting out a
party song when I'm.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Like, that's true, not partying. Well, it gives you a
little bit more platform to talk about that if you want.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, no, it's it's kind of We did a music
video too, and the setup of it is me and
a meeting with like a label head and him like
being like it has this folder and it says industry
way and like pushing it to me, like that's what
you need to do yeah, and I'm like, really, like

(49:01):
Bill's breakups, I don't have enough money like this, Okay,
this is what I need to do. Cool, I need
a party song, I guess. So I'm playing the song
on stage and then I'm I'm walking into the bar
and all these suits or like industry heads come at
me and are like trying to tell me what I
need to do, pulling me every which way, and they
have these like liquor bottles, and each liquor bottle says

(49:26):
something else of you know, just what I've heard in
the industry. One says literally just says content, and another
one says up tempo yeah, another one says lose fifteen pounds.
And they're just like all around me, Like there's one
scene where they're like trying to literally pour it down
my throat and I'm just like, get away from me.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Well I don't forget what my point was.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well, we were talking about alcohol, yeah, and just.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
That that being kind of another thing that I've not
that I'm ever trying to be self righteous about. Oh
I'm sober, I don't drink, like I still go out
or sell have a good time. But that was definitely
one thing that was literally felt like I had to
had to do. Yeah, not had to do, but it
was just like the culture of the town.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
And sure sometimes it takes it. It'll sneak up on you. Yeah,
we were talking about that before this, before we started recording.
But like, why do you have to You don't have
to drink to have a party. You don't have to
drink to have a good time, for sure. It's not
like a requirement.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah it does.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I do miss it sometimes. Yeah. I mean that loosens
you up and it's fun and whatever, but it gets
it also kind of gets old. It's kind of just
like yeah, down a wake up like that again for sure?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah, does it. I guess it gets that way for everybody.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I think.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
So it definitely got Honestly, you're being honest with yourself. Yeah,
I kind of got to that point where I was like,
this isn't anymore right. Like, you're out most nights, whether
you're playing somewhere or networking or there's an event.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Going on, and it's part of the culture of it.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, and you're just getting like kind of hammered every
night and you feel like crap. You wake up, you
don't feel good. Like I my anxiety is through the roof.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yes, and it doesn't really help. It doesn't help anything
except for like in the moment.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Right, and then you would have another drink to get
rid of the anxiety, and then it just like kept.
For me, it was just like a compound effect.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
For me, it's always it's always like a fuel for depression.
And I feel like it was because I already deal
with that, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, it helps me,
like if I'm super low. I shouldn't say it helps
me because it really doesn't. But in the moment, it
kind of lifts my spirits. I'll be more chatty with you, Yeah,

(52:00):
I'll be more open and free ish. But then then
the next day I'm or the next two days, I'm
just like wiped.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
And more depressed and emotionally wiped. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Do you feel like that was like more of the
hangover for you? Was it like the what was more
of Like was it the physical effects or the emotional effects?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Both? Yeah, And I think that for me, like I
would never get like ridiculously wait, I won't say never,
but like most of the time, most of the time
I was pretty fine, buzzed, not totally drunk, but even

(52:43):
that I will wake up the next day and just
be like I can. I'm I'm forty one, so I
feel it different than if you're in your twenties. But yeah,
I wake up, I would notice that I would be
more sad on it on a dime, like just like
flip the script and not understand why and then not

(53:07):
remember that I drank yesterday or last night or whatever,
and and yeah, in your body you feel it right,
all of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, I always say, like, the same thing that's filling
me up is leaving me so empty. Yeah, I feel
like there's a song around around that it is I
want to write, but.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It's like running straight through like it's not it's just
not I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
It is because it's fun.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Thank you for sharing that with me too.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I know.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
It's like it's something super vulnerable to talk about. And
sometimes I'm like, should I be talking about the fact
that I'm sober? Like I always say like, well, you never.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Know, I might go back right, Yeah, Well that's what
like I mean.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
It's say, if I tomorrow, I was like, ask, I'm
gonna have a drink.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, what was all this for?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yeah, but maybe it is still for some thing.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, it's easy to.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I know, I might be sober, sober for the rest
of my life. I don't know. I literally just say like,
I'm not drinking today, right or right now? Right, Sometimes
it's right now. When I get a craving, I'm like, no,
we're not drinking tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
And that's what keeps me because if you told me,
if you were sit here and say like you can
never drink again, I would take a shot out of this.
Yeah whiskey, yeah right now, Yeah, which is our sponsor
for this, Then that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
But I think it's all so easy to say you
don't have a problem with that. That was like years ago.
I would have said, I don't have a problem with this,
but I drank every day. Yeah, Like from this sounds
this sounds worse than it. It felt like it was.

(54:57):
But from like eleven thirty in the morning until I
went to bed. Yeah, so I would go to work,
we'd go to lunch, have Margarita's, we'd have beer at
work at three, go home, have a beer two or three,
go to bed right every day yeah, Yeah, And it

(55:17):
was spaced out enough to where like I just felt it. Yeah,
it wasn't like completely obliterated, but that was in my
system all day, every day for a period of I
don't know, six months a year, Yeah, and me thinking
like this is no problem.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, that was a problem for sure. So I feel
like a lot of people are in that space too, Yeah,
where it's like, oh, I'm not getting hammered, right, but
you're still having whatever that was six drinks a day.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, And even if you don't feel like addicted. I
don't feel addicted to I don't feel like I needed it,
but what it was doing to me was not good
on physical, emotionally, none of that. It wasn't helpful. It
probably contributed to so many extra factors and drama and

(56:10):
things I don't even realize.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Not having it, you know, it's I think I'll stop
talking about it after this, But I think that I
think that it's unless you really can't control yourself, just
give yourself breaks. Maybe that's the answer. Yeah, Like you
don't need it every day for sure, And if it's
a crutch, maybe exercise that, fasting alcohol or whatever you

(56:38):
want to.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it was definitely a crutch
for me. I'm trying to get down to the root
of why why I was drinking. And now it's like
been diagnosed with ADHD, which is something that I'm like, God, like,
you know, just figure it out. It's you know, yeah,
what's wrong with you? Why can't you figure that? You know?

(57:00):
And then it's like actually going to talk to somebody
or a professional and be like oh right, and like
maybe this is why I drank because I felt anxious,
because these two things go hand in hand and my
brain's wired differently, and alcohol was the one thing that
would make me feel like I could like come down
and like yes, my nervous system would feel okay.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
It is not wild until it doesn't. Yeah, it's so wild.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Why do you like the color green?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I don't know. It kind of just started happening.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
But it's not just green. It's like a loud green. Yeah,
I'm not locking on green.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yeah, kind of vibe by.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Would you paint your truck green that neon green?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Probably not, it's interesting. My favorite color is actually blue.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I love kind of blue.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
It's like a bright blue. All types of blue really
are like a teal. It's really pretty. Yeah. I just
I created this like vision board. It wasn't a physical border,
was on the computer of like a brand of like
what Emma zinc is. And it was weird because I

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don't know, it feels kind of self righteous, are like
in a way, you know what I mean. So I
was like, okay, I have to like let me look
at myself as like a third and third parce, like
a product.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Well do it whether or not we put it on
a board or not.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, but I felt like, I, you know, I wanted
to do it just to like figure out what what
my brand is and like what we're talking about, like
you have to make yourself a product. At the end
of the day, there's still like that piece of it.
I'm like, Okay. I was like, I want to call
it electric country electric meaning like obviously I play electric

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guitar and a lot of my most of my full
band show when I'm playing, I'm mostly playing electric. And
I was like, bright colors like neon, like almost like
this rock and roll bright color thing meets country, like yeah,
blazers and bolo ties and boots, but still like weird

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sunglasses or whatever. That kind of marries that like rock
and roll meets country, and I just started wearing. I
had a blazer that's neon green. I've worn it and
then I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. And then
I would just keep finding that color everywhere and just
kind of became fun part of what the the brand is.

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I had it like bright blue or bright pink. I'm
trying to like wear like one color and make that
be like the accent.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Okay, that's cool, thanks, it's fun.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I had a band name I wanted to use for
a long time called Electric Bronco. Really yeah. It was
kind of like country rock, yeah, like really dirty though. Yeah,
I feel like it would be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I don't know, that's awesome. Maybe I'll start calling my
Bronco that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
You can have it it's yours, or write a song
Electric Bronco, Electric Bronco. That'd be cool. Okay. Last question, Yeah,
if you could listen to one record again for the
first time, as if you've never heard it, what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
I really love Lucy Silvis. Have you ever listened to
Lucy Silvis? She released this record and like I want
to say, it was like twenty eighteen and it's titled
E dot G dot O EGO. I guess I don't know.

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If it's titled I don't know if she says it,
but that whole record is incredible to me. Twenty sounds seventeen,
twenty eighteen, something like that. I think I was like, yeah, now,
I remember just listening to it and being like, what
what is this? Like this is amazing. She like takes

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so many like it almost sounds vintage, sounds like it's
not from this time, and the songs are just beautiful
and so well written and just clever and there it's
her voice is so cool. You'd have to listen to it.
It's like it's like rock meets Like. There's one song

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on there that's like probably my favorite. It's called everything
Looks Beautiful Okay, and she's talking about like everything looks
so beautiful when you're in love, and it's like this
motown esque old almost like the Pretender's thing, and it's
just it's the background vocals and stuff. It's so sick cool,

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and she's got some stuff that like represent like a
country lyric and some of the writers on there are
like a lot of people get writers from from Nashville
from what I remember, And she's amazing. She's awesome. I
actually met her the other night at this guy's name's
Fancy Fancy hay Good. He had an album release show

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and I think she wrote on the record or something,
and anyway, she was there and I walked up to
her and I was like, Hey, that album one of
my favorite albums of all of all time. You're amazing. Yeah.
I think years ago I covered that song and posted
it and she like commented on it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
She's like, yeah, that's so cool, that's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
And she's yeah, she's awesome. She's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I have to check that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Yeah, check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Well. Emma zinc, thanks for being here, Thank you for
having me, Thanks for talking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Where can people find you? What do you have coming up? Shows, records, songs?

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, greenery, greenery, greenery.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Where can people find your green vibes?

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Instagram is Emma zinc, m z I, n c K TikTok,
same thing, Twitter, same thing. I don't really post on Twitter,
to be honest with you, Facebook, Emma zinc or Emma
zinc music can find me anywhere. I'm putting out a
Christmas song on Black Friday. I believe it is. When

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it's coming out, it's uh, it's called Christmas feelings cool.
It's about kind of wishing you could feel that those
feelings like you used to feel when you were a kid,
and yeah, kind of a bittersweet reminiscent. It's it's actually
kind of sad. It's a sad kind of a sad
Christmas song, but wish sad Christmas song, wishing you could

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get back to those feelings and that memory that you
reminiscing on the memories and just being like, dang it,
that's not how it is anymore and not kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Sh I'd have known that because I want to do
a Christmas episode. I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Oh really, maybe we do it. Maybe we do it. Yeah,
So that that's a completely it's a pretty hard shift
from party song. It's pretty tender and that's okay, mostly
acoustic and piano, and it's kind of broken down good,
kind of more of an emotional song. So I'm excited

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to share that. And I wrote it so it was
interesting trying to write a Christmas song and it turned
out really great. I wrote it with one of my
best friends, Chancey Neil and Kimberly Kelly, and I love it.
I'm like really excited to do you like it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
As far as Christmas decorations, do you like them tacky
or nice?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I don't know, maybe like nice, some maybe some tacky stuff.
I always love the Every time I think of Christmas decorations,
I think of the like the Manger set, these little yeah,
little ones, or you have like the little people, or

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like the little Christmas towns. I remember my mom used
to put like fake snow and like just these little
Christmas towns and you plug them in and like the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
House like up there. My mom gave me all I
just keep them up all yeah, because she did the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I love that stuff. It feels so like nostalgic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
I'm full full, full board TACKI mm hmm, color lights,
all the stuff. Yeah, which doesn't seem right for me,
but it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
I mean, it's this whatever the spirit of Christmas is
for you, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
As far as decorations, that's what it is. Of the
vintage tacky though, the old bulbs and all the stuff.
I even have some of the really old ones, like
from the six season. They get so hot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Yeah, but anyway, for sure. Yeah. And then playing, uh,
I think we're playing at Third and Lindsley sometime in January.
We're doing like an every few months full band type
thing there, and we have some writers on the line
up that play nice, so yeah, and then gonna be

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putting out more music come the first of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Great. Yeah, everybody I did pay attention. Thank go follow Emma,
thanks Man, thanks again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Yeah, having thank you, hell you brother

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Guard the party