January 3, 2025 • 59 mins
In episode 58 of Worktapes, we hear from indie folk singer-songwriter and Epidemic Sound artist Kylie Dailey! Kylie’s calming, laid-back vocals and relatable lyrics, paired with enchanting arrangements by producer and husband Kevin, invite the listener to relax and feel seen. We discuss the dynamics of writing with your spouse, unintentionally becoming an artist, writing authentically while balancing family, and we listen to the original worktape of a song called “Folded Hands.”
Find Kylie
Listen to Folded Hands
Produced by Brandon Carswell
Film & Editing by Shaun Carswell
Episode intro music written by Brandon Carswell & produced by Micah Tawlks - "Back To Us" Worktapes show cover art designed by Harrison Hudson
**All songs used by permission**
Find Kylie
Listen to Folded Hands
Produced by Brandon Carswell
Film & Editing by Shaun Carswell
Episode intro music written by Brandon Carswell & produced by Micah Tawlks - "Back To Us" Worktapes show cover art designed by Harrison Hudson
**All songs used by permission**
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Work Tapes. This is a podcast where we
tear up our songs. Why with the song written? What's
it about, what's the context and emotion behind it? Where
were you at the time, what were you going through?
How did certain lines come to you? What's the inspiration?
How long did it take to write? I'm Brandon Carswell
and I'm fascinated with songwriting and how songs are built
(00:29):
from the ground up. It's easy to hear a full
production song on the radio and dismiss its origin story.
I want to hear the rough draft of the song
or the work tape. I want to explore the very beginning,
how songs that move us and make us move our.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Born folded hands. You can marry Dispetter if you want.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I'll never so more. Hall, I'm polgl I'll far good,
love and travel.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
We love be.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Hello everyone, Welcome to Work Tapes. This is Brandon Carswell.
I am joined by my friend Kylie Daily. How's it
going good? I'm good. Kylie is a artist songwriter, wife
of Kevin Day, who's just a modern gentleman.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
He really is.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's such a charmer's delight. He was an episode forty
five of Work tapes, So make sure you go listen
to that and you'll get even more insight on Kylie
as well her life with Kevin, who's a composer, artist, writer,
all of the things.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
He's absolutely brilliant and he's pretty good looking.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, he's a hunk.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I would say I was. I was having trouble focusing
on that episode.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Imagine my life. I can't every morning.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Every morning. So shout out to Kevin. Yeah, I wish
he could have come tonight. That would have been fun.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Me too, me too.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, thank you so much for asking me. I'm very honored.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's Christmas Eve Eve.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yep, I totally forgot.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, and we're just we're just slamming. We're just working.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
We're just working.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Let's just kill it. Let's go in and let's jump in.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Tell our listeners who you are? Okay, where you come from?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
What's your Why do you like music? What's the deal?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Uh yeah, my name is Kylie Daly. I am from
a little town in Georgia, I guess the Georgia and
I grew up there in also Colorado and then moved
to Nashville when I was eighteen years old and I've
been here since then.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Did you move here for music or not?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Really?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I just met a lot of people from here, and uh,
I think it was kind of music. But I wasn't
very ambitious or like focused. I just thought there's people
that I like in this town and I want to
be there, So I'm just I moved here.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Did you did you grow up doing music?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I did a little bit. My dad played drums and
I was around it in that way, and then we just,
you know, kind of classic, like just had a lot
of music on in the house. And I my dad
bought me an electric guitar when I was like thirteen
years old, and I started writing songs on my karaoke machine.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Actually, well thirteen, that's pretty early.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, it was kind of early. And then I I
didn't share them with anybody, like it was just my
own little thing. And then I stopped making music for
a while and just did it like the hobby.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, yeah, why did you stop?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I think I just well, I'll tell you this. When
I was when I was a teenager, I had a
boyfriend who was not very encouraging to me, and he
told me he did not like girl singers, and I
kind of just like shut down.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
How old was he?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I was, this is like fifteen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Okay, he didn't like girl singers?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, I know, isn't that so lame? But when you're
a little fifteen year old girl, you're like, Okay, well,
I guess that means I should not make music. Yeah,
so obviously, now that's so dumb. But when I was
a teenager, I was just like, does Kevin like girl singers? No,
that's something we've it's been like a big issue in
(05:23):
our and our relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Is what a debacle to be married to someone who
doesn't like.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I know, it's like that tension that keeps us going,
you know, and you're a girl singer. Yeah, I'm totally
a girl singer anyways. So uh, it took me a
while to kind of like get through that, honestly, Like
that was kind of one of those young experiences that
I had to work through as a grown up.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So yeah, I didn't start putting out music until COVID.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Really Yeah, Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, that's wild,
I know. Hold on you, Okay, you started writing songs
at thirteeniors your dad got you a guitar, yep, yep.
And two years later I got a bad boyfriend. Some
dude was like, I don't like girls singers, and you
just hung it up.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, I just hung it up. I think I just
I still wrote poetry, like privately, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Did you want to do it?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Did you? Did you have like a no, you didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I was just like, this is interesting because so many
people moved to Nashville to do music, I know, and
our musical much like yourself, right, they start early move
here and.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
They're like, this is what I want to do. I
actually did want to move to Nashville to be a producer. Okay,
So I had been in some recording settings with said
boyfriend at the time.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh he was, he was.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, So it was kind of that classic like totally
and so I had been in.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The studio and I were better than them, that's right.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well, I had no idea. I was just like I thought,
you know, you're just like I think people are so
cool and I think I just was like, oh, that's
for other people.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
But I did it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You know, as I'm not going to say his name,
I will not you know, he didn't know. He's just
but anyways, and yeah, and so I just I just wrote,
Like at that time, it was just sort of like
to process my life, Like I just wrote poetry. And
I was always really in a lyric, like as a
(07:31):
kid in high school, and I didn't realize that was
something unique about me. I just like did it. Yeah,
until I got older, and then I was like, oh
not everybody's like that. Some people don't even think about lyric.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, so when you say you're into lyric, you know,
like a lot of kids are dreaming of being a
rock staring right whatever. That wasn't your viole, not at all.
You didn't get that electric guitar and thing, no stage
and lights, not even close.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Okay, No, I was likeessed with the writing, like the
poetry part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
What do you think where do you think that obsession
came from. I don't really know, like like did you
read it.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I think it came from having a lot of feelings
that were I was sort of disconnected from and not
knowing how to access them, and like somehow music was
this art form that I would feel so much release from.
I went to like a lot of loud rock shows
(08:30):
growing up, like a lot of punk music, and like
warehouse shows and house shows that were just like savagely loud,
like just I could never listen to that kind of
music now without like in a safe way. It's like
not good for your body, but also kind of good
like cathartic, you know, just like the release. And I
think I was just so intrigued by that, Like I
(08:52):
was just how does this happen? This is magic that
you can like feel this release from being around this
kind of sound, right, And so yeah, it was just
sort of a natural interest that just sort of grew.
And then same with lyric of like saying something in
such a different way that makes you have this like
takes you out of where you are and you're in
(09:13):
a different place or you're like you're able to It's
like saying something in a way that feels so like
wild and unique to someone's experience, but then somehow you
can relate to that and it gives you, It gives
you like a story for your own life. And I
(09:34):
think that I had those experiences like in high school privately,
like I wasn't really like talking about them with other
people when I was having them. And then that's when
I just started to like write a lot of poetry.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Do you think secretly do you think that the writing
is is the writing part the better experience for you
than the perfor.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Oh, one hundred percent. I didn't even know that that
was like I don't know, this is my question to
myself all the time, Like I didn't even know that
that I wanted to do music at all, like outside
of just my own little like expression that I would
(10:21):
do privately until Kevin was working on a record with
UH an artist amed Rina Gillert, and he engineered or
I think he mixed her record. Maybe this is a
record in twenty twelve called Old Light. She's this amazing
bluegrass musician and her album is really unique. Her voice
(10:41):
is really unique, and it just sounded like pure soul,
like pure expression of self and no hiding at all.
It was like so bare. And that was the first
time where I was like I felt like I heard
something where I was like I want to do that.
I don't know why, but like that's my north star,
(11:02):
Like what something I want to make? And UH and
then I and around that time, like when Kevin I
first started dating, we've been married for a million years.
It feels like we've been married for like fourteen years now.
But that's when I sort of started meeting people who
were like writers for their career instead of just like
the classic like rock stars on stage or whatever, or
(11:22):
like you know, artists that's like performing and that's a
part of it. I had never really met people who
were just like, oh, yeah, we're just writers, like we're
not you know, yeah a light or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So what what brought it out of you?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Then?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
What was the thing? What was the thing you had
you hadn't done? You said you hadn't thought about doing
your own stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, so well that's not entirely true. I kind of
when Kevin I got together, you know, he was like,
you gotta do this, like.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You gotta get you got so you showed him, you
showed him.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I yeah. And I had kind of started sharing, like
I played around with some friends and stuff and would
sing with people and stuff like that. But I wasn't
like trying to pursue an artist, I guess is what
I'm trying to say. I wasn't like I'm going to
be a Nashville artist and I'm gonna go gig and
like do this stuff. I just wasn't doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It sounds exhausting.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I think it's so impressive people do it. I'm like,
it's impressive. It seems I mean, I know you've done that,
Like I think it is so yeah, it seems like
the most exhausting thing I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Stand, I'm like, so impressive to me. Anyways, So yeah,
so I forgot what I was talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
What did he say?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So, no, you're good?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
What brought it out of you?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Oh yeah? Okay, So over COVID, I've had like a
million weird jobs. I'm like, a that's like a whole
not I could like, it's a whole not broadcasts of
some of my weird jobs I've had because I moved
here and I didn't I did never went I never
(13:08):
finished college or anything. So I just like showed up
in different like entertainment industry roles. Like I was a PA.
I worked like I worked in the Varnerbilt er. Briefly,
I worked like as an like I did industrial sewing
for a while. I did, like I've done a ton
(13:28):
of weird pint of jobs. Anyways. One of my jobs
was I was a booking agent for professional speakers for
like a period of time and during about six years
and over COVID, I like lost all my work obviously
because everything got canceled. And Kevin was working with this
record label in Sweden who were looking to sign some
(13:49):
like new artists, especially like women artists, and so he
was like, hey, we have these demos that like him
and I had worked on music. But every time we did,
we just like fought the whole time, like it was
not it. We kind of stopped trying because it was
just like very fraught anytime we tried to collaborate. And
so he was like, what if we just like send
them some of your demos and then see and they
(14:11):
were like great, we love them, make.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
More, and so you got to deal with them.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, I've been making music ever since then.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So that's what it was. That's what it was. It
was like, that's cool story. I mean to go from
having all these random jobs, I know, and two now
you're you're forcibly.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Pushed into it, totally forced into it in a good way.
Like it has been so challenging in like all the
ways you want, like all the scary ways that are
pushing you outside of your comfort zone. Right, it's been
very fulfilling work.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, you know, well it's it's inter thing that it
would happen that way, that COVID would like being locked
out of your main income and then just being married
to the right obviously you're married to the right guy
to push you along and say, hey, totally this is
(15:19):
what you should be doing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I know. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And he's always just been like, well, I think also
because I wasn't, you know, sharing outside of just my community,
you know, with some of the things I would make,
and he was like, he was always like, from you know,
from when we first got together, like, I really think
this is in you, Like I think this is something
(15:41):
you would love to do, and I think you know,
and turns out it is right, But I just I
couldn't see it. It was like I was blind to it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And at this point you've got kids and all the
family things. Is it difficult to keep that vision alive,
which vision the music one, yeah, balancing all of the
other things.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah? Or is it just like this is my job.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I think it is both. Like I think that even
if I think regardless of like what industry you're in, no,
when you have kids, like you set a time to
go to work and you go to work, doesn't matter
what it is like you go to work, you show up,
you know, and that's like when music is your job,
(16:37):
then that's what you do, even if you're not feeling
it or whatever. You just show up and you give
it like the time and attention. And some days I'm like, oh,
everything I made sounds terrible, and the next day I'm like,
I love this idea and it's sort of that spectrum
of emotion and yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's definitely a
challenge in the same sense of like going to work
(17:00):
can be a challenge because some days you're just like, oh,
I don't have to meet it, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
But I mean it is.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
A creative job, which is like very fun.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Can you pull from your like your family, daily life?
You can pull from that and put it in your art?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, I do that, And I also how do you
do that? What's like a way, like how I pull
from my family life?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, Like how do you get inspiration from momming and
being a wife and doing all of this stuff and
then put that into your song? So it's not just
like another breakup song or love song. It's bigger than that,
not that there's anything wrong with those.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think like I just I do feel
like a part of my practice now or like my
work is to like check in with myself, like almost
to just kind of consistently a journal right about, Like
if I can write anything that feels authentic, I have
(18:07):
to like be connected with myself, which is kind of work, yeah,
because it's kind of way easier for me to just
like numb olt and just kind of like chill, you know.
So I think that that's a consistent thing that I
(18:27):
to get anything that feels that I can connect with,
which I always want to be putting out music that
feels totally like real and authentic. It feels like such
a privilege to get to make art as a job
that I'm like, I don't want to waste a minute of.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
This on right. Do you think you would still be
doing it as maybe not as much or maybe as
passionately if it wasn't your job.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I no, No, that's a good honest answer. Well, why
why not just scheduling?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Or I think so I think I would. I think
I I think I would be less focused. I'm like
a very creative like I like to do a lot
of things. I love to do pottery, I love to paint.
I love to like interior design. Like interior design, I'm
(19:32):
very interested in. I'm very and I love to learn
new things. So I'm kind of I don't have that
like this is my thing and I'm just hone in
on this, And I think if I didn't have it
as my work, I would like I would be scattered
and I wouldn't I wouldn't be like I'm going to
(19:53):
develop this specific skill. So I think it being my
work is like it makes me like, yeah, it's like discipline.
It's like a discipline that I can focus on and develop.
And yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
When you write with Kevin, yeah, you mentioned that you
guys would fight before.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, we would just and I mean I say fight,
I kind of just mean like I know you mean yeah.
I don't mean like we're screaming at each other, but
we're like, you know, easily offended at each other. And
oh yeah, he'd be like, oh, he'd be like what
do you think I'd be like, or I'd wait a
second to respond and'd be like almost delete it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I just delete it.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And then I'd be like singing so quiet because I
was just so scared of I don't know, expressing I
don't know. I just it was so scary, so intimate
to share your voice and your poetry.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's so intimate, especially after you were told that you
know women, Oh.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I know, And I mean that's just that's like you
don't realize because it's so dumb, right like when you
say out loud, you're like, what a stupid thing. But
you know, when you're a kid, you don't realize.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It's not dumb for you to carry that though, right
because that the things that are told to us, even
at older ages, it sticks totally, whether it's good or bad.
And then you feel like, well I should stop.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I know, and you know, you know it's also wild
is it's like who knows if that even ever happened,
right Like it could have just been how I felt
like I could have heard it through my own insecurity
and filtered, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Like,
and then I turned that into a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's like yeah, yeah, it's just well, now that you've
grown in your artistry and you've you know, you've got
people behind you doing this and helping you, and it's
a job, I assume you feel more confident in it.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, Oh yeah, way more.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Because you're the stuff that you're doing now has I
like everything you've put out, but every but this is
you're at like a new maturity. Does that sound correct? Yeah? Yeah,
And so without that kind of like confidence. And because
I remember seeing you and Kevin play at we played
(22:28):
it like sweetwater is that spring water? I always get
it wrong. I got it wrong with Kevin, I got
it wrong with Carl.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Carl.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You played with Carl.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
He's my like songwriter.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
He's on this podcast too, but I forget what episode
it was. It wasn't that far ago. So look up
Carl Anderson everyone. Yeah, he actually plays a song. He's
the only guest I've ever had took guitar off the
wall and played a song.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
He's absolutely the best.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It was. I wanted to keep hanging out with him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
He's amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I know. I'm like.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
When I first saw him play, he played a show
with my friend Molly Pardon, and I don't think I
had even met him at that time, and I was like,
holy shit, Yeah, I have never like I've never seen
just someone so piercing with their poetry, like his words.
Just the whole room was like completely silent. We were
(23:28):
in the palm of his hand.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
You know, he's kind of like that just as a
hang too.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, he's he's funny and smart, funny, it's witty, and
it's just like and that night that I saw you,
I'd never seen you play. I've seen do some stuff
with Micah talks and some other things throughout the years.
But I was I was loving it. It was super
(23:53):
stripped back. Yeah, it's like I think I want to
say you were on like an electric or something. Yeah, probably,
which was super cool. And it was just you and
Kevin and I think Carl came for a few songs.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
That was kind of a weird show because I think
I don't even remember. I think I was like there
was really anybody there. First of all, it was like
a week night or something like a Tuesday. Yeah, And
I don't know, it just it was fun, like we
had fun, but it was fun. It was kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, those those smaller shows that are they're more intimate
and when your friends just come, you feel like I
can really I know.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah. The difference about Nashville is a lot of your
friends are just happened to be either really good artists,
great producers like Micah and then you're like, oh, You're like,
oh great, now, I just want to eat hamburgers with you.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I don't want to listen to anything that I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
It's it's so real in Nshville.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh gosh, yeah, that's That's one of the things I
was going to ask you is being in this town,
do you feel like, do you ever feel like or
ever struggled with the idea that you're not good enough
for your stuff's not valuable enough. Yeah, because Nashville is
(25:21):
just like this gosh, it's just like so many amazing
people that are just so talented and seemingly like they've
got it figured out. They dialed it in and they're
off to the races. And the underlying question is how
do you deal with that if that's something you have
(25:44):
or do struggle with.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I mean, I think it's just like an ongoing struggle.
But I think, like I try to think that every
person has something totally unique to share, and if you're
not sharing it, then we don't get to see it.
It's like it's almost like if you believe that you
have something to give to somebody else, you know it
(26:09):
totally changes your perspective of like what you're making versus
like comparing yourself to everybody. It's just, you know, it's
just no way to live to just walk around and
compare yourself to everyone else because it feels terrible. Yeah,
but it's it's kind of like that whole thing of
like staying on top of what you at least for me,
(26:31):
of kind of being like, Okay, if I am feeling shitty,
like what what's going on? What like what idea was
I like when did I pick up that feeling or
was it like me comparing myself to this artist or whatever,
you know, and trying to like hone in on that
(26:52):
because I think if I like look at it and
write about it, then I can move through it instead
of just like tamping it down or whatever. And like, yeah,
procrastinating and you're kind of thinking about it because it's
it's easier to not think about it because it's painful
to consider that you know, what I'm making is shit?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, So how do you how do you move into
trusting yourself for that?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
There's so many nowadays, so many distractions that pull you
away from trusting yourself, Like you know, social media is
probably number one. Yeah, regardless of what town you're in,
of being able to see and say, well look at
this person doing this, I can't do that totally. I
can't get here, but you do have something to offer
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regardless of what you're looking at. That's ninety nine percent
chance that it's not real.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, I mean I think for me,
a thing I think about a lot is you know,
having kids, I think, what do I I can't expect
them to do anything I'm not doing. So that's a
big thing for me. If I want my daughter to
(28:06):
get up there and dance in front of her peers,
then I have to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It's silly to think that she's gonna believe me that
encouragement if she doesn't see me doing that. So I'm
not saying I'm gonna dance, but I'm just saying, like,
as an example, you know, I think that's one thing
that helps me is kind of like it's a reason
and to kind of push through what is freaking me
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out or is scaring me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
And then I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
A lot of affirmations.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I remember.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I remember, like when I was fifteen, one of my
first jobs I worked at a dry cleaners and I
there's just an hours hours by myself in this dry
cleaners in Colorado Springs, and uh, there was this tape
machine in there and I press play on it one
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day and whoever had been working there before me had
like an affirmation tape. Who was like, I am strong,
I am confident. Yeah, And I remember thinking this is
the most embarrassing thing I could imagine. Like for some reason,
my reaction was like this is so cringe, you know.
(29:29):
And now I'm like, that is the sauce, Like you
have to just like tell yourself like, no, I am great.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
And you know, I'm not saying like I'm the greatest.
I'm just saying, like, you know, I have something to
share it and all I can do is share it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And it's okay to be confident with what you're doing
and like what you.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Do totally that is okay. It's not being like that's
what I want my kids to be, Like, I'm gonna
be like, look, I drew this thing, isn't it awesome?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah? And your kids are gon like not really, which
is the greatest.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
My kids will like not listen to any of my music.
They're like please, God, we don't want to hear another mix.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Please.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But when they say they like it, you're like, that
means you've hit the jackpot.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, they're usually pretty like they give me a lot
of critiques.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
I think when you turn voice down, like your your
vocals down in like the bridge, brave will be super.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Do you think you're usually right?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, he's usually right. Like, Okay, let's take notes about them.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They're smart. They're smart, they know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, but I think that helps me, like thinking about
my kids and then just kind of believing. You know,
if I don't believe about something I'm doing, then just.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Just like.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Gas lighting myself into it or something I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, well reading whatever works. You have to trick yourselves,
you kind of do.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I think that the less I pay attention, the better
I feel about it. That's cool.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Let you pay attention people other people.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Okay, that sounds pretty.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
So you just like don't listen to anything except your
own music, yes, Like this is the only thing I'm
listening to listen to.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Your song yet it's just been I was like, my
stuff sounds really great.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, say more about that, say more about that?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
No, I just mean paying less attention to all of
the things. You know, like here's what you need to
do in order to get here, okay, right, Like here's
the steps you need to take.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like turning it into like an equation, or like if
you do X, Y and Z, it will equal this thing,
right right.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I do want to be inspired by other people's story
and art, yeah, and that definitely happens. I don't think
any artist is. I mean, every one of us is
pulling from something else that we've heard or learned or
seen or whatever. And but if I, if I dig
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too far into how they did it, yeah, then I
start catching myself. Go, I can't do that. I can't
do that. I can't do what the Beatles did. I
can't do what it doesn't They didn't have to be
that big. I just can't do that. But that's the
part that I don't know. We don't know how that
(32:29):
is going to play out. Right. You can write a
song and it get picked up in twenty years and
it's just been sitting around for a while, yeah, and
then all of a sudden it's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Also, Like I don't know how you feel about this,
but I think the more I'm writing, the more I
feel like it's not even me in a way, like
I'm just not entirely But that sounds sort of weird,
but like I guess, I mean, like I'm writing and
(33:02):
then they're and then my songs are out, and then
it's like I may not, you know. There's some songs
where I'm like, I just love this song, like deeply,
I'm deeply connected with this song is extremely personal. And
then some songs I'm like, I like this song, you know,
and and I like it and then I put it out,
(33:22):
you know, and then it's like but for someone else,
it's like really meaningful, And I think that's very mysterious,
it is, And I think that takes the pressure off
sometimes if you're not like in love with every single
one of your ideas, because then it's like, well, maybe
it's not for you, maybe it's for somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Else's at point, you know, And.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
If you can kind of remove yourself from the equation,
just believe in your ideas and give them like the
dignity to finish them. Yeah, so and they might be
for somebody else.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's a whole different like offshoot conversation, which be something
like when you're trying to decide which songs to choose for.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
A record, which is also mysterious.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's so weird.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah, you're like, I don't know which ones am I
connecting with? But then it's like it's like for me,
I like all of my songs, right, so obviously all
let's record all of them totally. But on the real
that's that's part of the thought, is like I don't
know which ones to choose, really like, I know which
ones I like more than others. I guess, so I
(34:29):
guess I showed the producer that same year, and then if.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
They don't love it, I'm like, oh, what's wrong with you?
This is a great song. Let's try to sell it,
you know, and then there are the problem. Yeah, but
the point is there will sometimes I will go to
the one that I least like, and I will share
that with the producer and see if they come back
(34:56):
with a hey, let's do.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
That one that one connected with me totally.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And then it's or I will send it. I'm curious
about what you do as an artist, but I have
like maybe five people i'll send new songs to.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
I do that too.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Okay, one of them is not fair because it's usually
my mom and I love to hear it. Just send
me everything, and then she's like, is this one about me?
It'll be a fun song and she'll be like, oh,
that's sad. I'm like, that's not sad. She's hearing it
differently than I wrote it. But that's fine. But but
(35:37):
the one of those, maybe one or two of those
people are not music people.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Oh yeah, that's smart, which is.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Hard to do because I want them to like all
of it, and I know they're not going to like
the one that I get as deep with. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, and you send them that one?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, I'll send them whatever.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I want to know, like if if I'm trying to
use the right language here, but I want to know
that if my like you know how musicians are just
too critical about music. Yeah, and so I want to
know that my normal friend isn't doing that right. So
(36:23):
if they connect with that, it feels like, oh, this
is the smart song to cut. That makes sense because
maybe it'll have more mass appeal.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Totally for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
No, that's that's totally valid. I can see you do that.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Though you have like a handful of people that you
send I do, and.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I think I just get excited. I'm like, I love
this song. You send it to a few friends, and yeah,
and they're all songwriters, so if they say they like it,
I mean I would love more like critical feedback. I think, Yeah,
we do have some friends that will be like, give.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Me a little you know, yeah, maybe you should do
this or yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Or like they'll be like I really like this one.
Like maybe if I send them a few, they'll be
like this one is the one I really love or something. Yeah,
And I'm like, oh, that means they hate all.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
The other right, that's what happens. They're like, hey, you
should change this line, Like, no, it's not really what
they mean. Take this word out. I know that's the
word of the whole song.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
And I guess that's what I mean when I'm talking about,
like when I'm finishing my thought in that way, I
try to like go back and be like, that's not true.
That's just what my brain told me in that moment. Yeah,
they didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, let's talk about folded hands.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
We this is a song that currently, as we record this,
you have not released. Yes, by the time this comes out,
it should be released or will be very soon. Let's
go ahead and listen to the work tape and then
we'll talk about the work tape, talk about the song.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Folded Hands. I can make this better if you want.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
At Night Felt displace my home.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
With the head one place is gonna make the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Song a far good ready travel ball that back be good.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Look. Oh I'm stands stay weally.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You love good.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Okay, this work tape is really This work tape is
really fun. The reason I want to know how you
started writing it because I don't I think you started
writing it just like this, but I could be wrong
because it kind of as everyone just heard introes with
(40:09):
like drums and then you're just singing. So how did
you start writing it? What was your process and what
got into this work tape drum loop kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, I the first six months of this year or
last year this podcast, So twenty twenty four. I just
had the incredible privilege of writing for a full length record,
and so I really wanted to. I normally write just
(40:42):
like on acoustic guitar, and I was like, I need
to just change it up, and you know, so I
started writing on garage band instead of just in my
basement with my guitar.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
And so.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
This work tape is just like me finding a drum
loop that wasn't so intolerable, yeah on garage band, and
like playing a little like I had a little MIDI keyboard,
you know that I was just like tinkering around. I
mean you can tell it and like just messing around.
And then yeah, and that's like, so I just started
(41:17):
it with that those drums. I just was like loop
and just dropped it. I started it and then yeah,
and then I heard those chords which are like, you know,
I actually I think I did end up playing synth
on the final track, but on that track it sounds hilarious.
And then uh, and then yeah, I just like sang
(41:41):
into a little mike at my desk.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
That's so fun.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah, And that's how I did most of this record.
I did write a few songs on guitar, but I
was trying to just challenge myself to make everything on
garage band, right, yeah, instead of just a guitar.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Well, it's important, I think to get versatile on how
you write, because it starts to get worn out and
boring totally. Just to grab as even if you just
grab a different guitar or I know, an electric versus
an acoustic or whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah, rotating the fields any, Mitchell says and helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Did you already have lyrics ready?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I think every song's kind of different, like how I
land with lyric. But I think in this case, I
was listening on the way over here to do this interview,
and I think in this case the only line I
had was folded hands only because I think I liked
the way that that sounded to say.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And and then.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
It was sort of like just piecing together the story.
I think originally I had wanted to write about the
whole thing of like are you a believer in love
that can last? I wanted to write something about the
(43:17):
word believer, even that has like a lot of religious connotation.
I was during that time when I was reflecting, which
is kind of it kind of ties into like our
previous conversation, was thinking about how like what you're believing
or what you're like focused on, you're kind of like
(43:37):
manifesting in your life, you know, And so I was
thinking about that, and I wanted to write about that
in some way that didn't feel I don't know, yeah too,
like that's just kind of what I was writing about
was like, how do I change what I'm focused on
when my brain is like constantly going to something not helpful? Right,
(44:01):
And so that's what sort of like that's how the
song started, but that's not really where it landed. But
that's kind of how like those were those were that
that was the idea.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
That sort of Yeah, it sounds like the song is
about like an argument or yeah, it's just not being
seen or kind of like stonewalling. Somebody's stonewalling the other one. Yeah,
like you could do something about this, but you're not.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
You're just sitting there totally. Yeah, I love hearing what
it sounds like to you. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's
it's whatever you're perceiving it as I guess, but it's like, yeah,
sometimes I'm like it's a story or it's like from
my own experience or but I feel like that's a
good Like I like the question. I like asking questions. Yeah,
(44:52):
I like it when lyrics ask questions because then you
can your story, your own like life answers it. How
are you?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
My favorite line in the song is I can hardly
put my heart out when I'm looking over my shoulder
which is kind of to me speaking to the fight, right,
like I'm not I don't trust you because you're not responsive.
(45:25):
So how can I How can I be vulnerable when
I'm looking at you not doing anything?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Do you have a favorite lyric on this? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
I love that one on the song. Yeah, I mean
that one stands out. I like that one. Yeah, yeah,
I think like, yeah, I think it is. It ended
up kind of being about Yeah that like relationship and
just like building trust with someone and all the question
(46:00):
you're asking yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
And this is clearly about the guy that doesn't like women.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
Yeah, it's about him. No, I think it's I think
it really could be like any relationship. It's like any
it's very well, that's the thing about any anybody.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
This song is really it connects that way because anybody
who's been in a relationship or marriage longer than a day, yeah,
knows this vibe.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, so it's really great. Let's uh. The full production
version is so freaking cool. There's so many kevinisms.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
And can I talk about who played on it?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yes, all day Kevin produced it, right, Yes.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
So my husband Kevin Daily produced this whole record, but
he also produced this song and the record is called
Way Past Taken and that's going to be another single
be out very soon. But we were able to record
this track at a Skinny Elephant with Dylan Aldridge engineered.
(47:11):
It's an amazing engineer also producer. And I have a
list here everyone, so I make sure to not forget anybody,
but Ben Kaufman played strings and guitar on this track.
Kevin played bass and piano and probably some other SYNTHI things.
(47:32):
Dan Burns played drums, and David Wiliford played woodwinds. I
think there's sacks and clarinet on this song. And it
was really fun in the studio and then I and
then obviously I'm singing. I think I've played some synth
and we just like cut it live, so we yeah,
we cut it like all together. It was really fun
(47:53):
and we kind of just like threw everything like at
the wall, you know, just like, let's just how.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Many times did you have to do one live to
get it to where you wanted it?
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Well, I don't even remember how many takes we did.
Maybe we maybe like four or five maybe, but then
you know, we still were stacking and like picking our
favorite takes and things, So there's definitely still Yeah, you
know we're editing and most adding color, but a lot
of this record was cut like that, So you do
(48:26):
feel this sort of like energy that I feel like
is unique to recording with a band.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Cutting live is so much fun. And when you do
it with I mean, gosh, you're with Dan Burns. I know, yeah,
is so good.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
It's so good all those guys it was. What's so
neat about I do feel like is unique to Nashville
is walking into a recording session with your song and
you know, the players haven't even ever heard the song
and they look at the chart and they just jump
in and it's so good. It's like first thought. It's
(49:07):
like you get to capture people's first thought, which I
feel is really special, you know, in a recording setting,
and it's so impressive. I'm like, it's such a crazy shure.
Every time, I'm like, who is letting me in here?
(49:28):
Who allowed this?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
It's like it's wild. I'm like, how do I even know?
These freaks? They're crazy brilliant and so expressive and so
melodic and like, yeah, it's it's a ball, Like we
have so much fun in there and so yeah, that
this record was just like it was like adult summer Camp.
(49:51):
We kept saying that that sounds like it's sexy, not
in a sexy way. I'm like, don't google that, but
we kept calling at summer Camp adult summer Camp. That's
because it felt like that we were just having so
much fun. So yeah, that's how I just had to
shout out all the contributors because they really made the song.
(50:11):
Obviously you can hear my demo, and obviously you can hear.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Well, the demo is fun though. That's what That's the
whole thing about this. You want to hear like the
rawness of where it was birthed. It's so it's cool
to me to hear that. All right, So what I
want you to You said you had a ton of
weird jobs.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Oh yeah, you want to hear some of those.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I want to hear your worst job and your worst
day at that job.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
Oh that's gonna be sad, though, Well, can you make
it funny? I can try.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
It can be sad. People don't want to be sad.
It's Christmas. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
I'll tell you my worst I'll tell you my worst
day at one of my jobs. I still feel so
bad about this. It's something I did that was really naughty.
I worked for this very sweet man. His name is Michael,
and he I was a booking agent. He had a
(51:16):
he's actually an immigration attorney and he had a booking
agency and as like a side hustle. Uh And I
worked for him and we had a lot of fun.
He was great, and I uh, I think there was
one day I was working with another gal and and
we were shit talking to him. We were shit talking
(51:40):
to him, and I can't even remember. I think it
was like I think he had like taken a day
off and this man worked so many hours and I
just I think we were talking bad about him. And honestly,
I can't even remember what it was that we said,
but I think we were just like, oh, classic, he's
going on vacation and da da da, you know, just
like yep, caddie, like no, no reason to say this stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
And he heard us.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Oh no.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
It was such a bad feeling, and he was so
sweet about it, and he was like pulled us aside.
I was like, I've never been more ashamed in my life.
I was like this, And the thing that was the
worst about it is he was like a great boss.
Like I've had some shitty bosses. This guy was great
and anyways, shout out Michael. I'm so sorry, and that's
(52:33):
so fun. It was bad, it was mean, and he
was so sweet and he was like, I heard what
you said. That was very hurtful. If you have a problem,
just talk to me about it. And I was like,
I'll never I'll never forgive myself.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, I've done that before.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
It's not even funny. My dark, my dark, my dark
job stuff is like when I worked at the yer.
There's some crazy stuff. Oh and I worked as a
PA for some celebrities and I can't even talk about that.
Crazy stories with that sign for that Oh yeah, I
love it. I can't say a word about it, but
you know, off air sometime.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, all day. I'll tell you one time, I accidentally
I was with my brother who's in this room with us.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Yeah, and uh oh he.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
We were recording. He was recording music for me and
he was getting frustrated at something. I don't even know
if he remembers this. And I texted my wife at
the time, Seawan's being such a jerk.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Right now, Oh you text, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Sean's being an asshole and it and his phone dinged
and I was like, and I just go, dude, I'm sorry,
And he just looked as he just looks at his
funny puts it down and keeps working.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
The thing is when it's like it's when it's someone you, yeah,
that you're like, I wouldn't never really want to I
would never want to hurt that person. That's what I'll
talk about.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
I'll call you an asshole behind your back. Oh, say
it exactly. But I don't want to do it to you.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
No, I don't want to do it to you. Yeah,
I'm trying to think of like that's just like a
time when I felt really bad. But I can try
to come up with some some crazy stories.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
You're fine if you have it, you have it.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
That was the first thing that came to mind.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
That's when I felt real bad about it.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
It's relatable. I think we've all done stuff like that.
Stomach drops and you're like, oh my gosh, who am.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
I Why would I even? Why Why would I wouldn't
even you.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Know what, if you didn't hear you, you wouldn't have
even thought about it.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
Oh, no way, I would have totally gone.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
You would have left that day and be like, screw
that guy his vacation, I know.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
And the next day I would have been like, Hi, exactly, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Okay, what do you have coming We obviously have talked
about you have this record coming out, so that's like
the biggest thing. I assume. Yeah, have any shows? So
this at the end of the year, This is probably
our last episode of the year. Do you have shows
coming on?
Speaker 4 (55:15):
I do, Yeah, I'm playing a show. I'm playing just
a few songs with at Malapalooza on January fourth, so
it's probably past now, but I'm playing that. And then
I yeah, I have a record coming out end of February.
And then I think something I'm really excited about is
(55:36):
I I actually get to work with Johnny Marr of
the Smiths.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh no way, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
I can't believe it. So through my record label, he
was looking to like mentor a few artists and he
picked me. So I get to go out to his
studio validation. Unbelievable, right, And I'm like, I'm so excited
and so nervous.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Of course, and he believes in girls singers.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
He likes girl singers. I guess I know what a
Dylm thing, right, I know. Yeah, So I'm that's like
my big news for sure. I'm trying to collect, like
any questions you've ever wanted to ask.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
That's like an incredible guitarist and producer. So I'm so
excited to work with him. And and then yeah, I'm
just making music. I'm like, I'm making.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You do make a lot of music.
Speaker 4 (56:46):
I'm making a lot. I'm working on another record.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
You're making up for the last time, I really am
I am.
Speaker 4 (56:53):
Turns out I needed to write some songs. Yeah, so
that's happened.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Then last question, sure, and then we'll be done. You
can listen to one record for the first time as
if you've never heard it before. What is it.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
If I've never heard it before?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (57:20):
I wish I had come better prepared for this question.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
It's not one to prepare for.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
First thought, never heard it before. I really loved the
party that Andy Schoff record.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, when I first heard that record, I was like,
what is this?
Speaker 1 (57:43):
That's what we're looking for right there?
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yeah, And that was like, I mean that came out
a few years ago, but That's the first thing that
came to mind. And I've been listening to a lot
of Annaeus Mitchell. She's in a band called Bonnie Light
horse Men.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
I like these I like these ones.
Speaker 4 (58:02):
I don't know yet, yeah, and her stuff has been
like blowing my mind. But yeah, record, like when I
first heard a full record and was like, whoa, this
is crazy.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
You never considered Sandy Patty's Christmas album.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I mean that's a runner up for sure.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I mean we had it on blast in Here.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah, I missed that it was on we should we
should do that.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yeah, I'll get back to you about that.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
There's just so many good ones.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Pick you don't you pick one?
Speaker 4 (58:41):
And that's the one that came to mind. That was
when I first heard that record. I was like, there's
so unique.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, there's so many that are just life changing. And
it's not really a fair question, but I know, but
there are records that you remember where you are and
the feeling that you tru got when you were listening
to it for houp months straight or whatever. It's like
a season of life.
Speaker 4 (59:05):
Yeah, so totally.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, Kidi, thanks for coming, Thanks for having We successfully
made a podcast.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
We did it.
Speaker 4 (59:14):
Thanks for listening to me talk, Thanks for coming very much,
so fun.
Welcome to Work Tapes. This is a podcast where we
tear up our songs. Why with the song written? What's
it about, what's the context and emotion behind it? Where
were you at the time, what were you going through?
How did certain lines come to you? What's the inspiration?
How long did it take to write? I'm Brandon Carswell
and I'm fascinated with songwriting and how songs are built
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from the ground up. It's easy to hear a full
production song on the radio and dismiss its origin story.
I want to hear the rough draft of the song
or the work tape. I want to explore the very beginning,
how songs that move us and make us move our.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Born folded hands. You can marry Dispetter if you want.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I'll never so more. Hall, I'm polgl I'll far good,
love and travel.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
We love be.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Hello everyone, Welcome to Work Tapes. This is Brandon Carswell.
I am joined by my friend Kylie Daily. How's it
going good? I'm good. Kylie is a artist songwriter, wife
of Kevin Day, who's just a modern gentleman.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
He really is.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's such a charmer's delight. He was an episode forty
five of Work tapes, So make sure you go listen
to that and you'll get even more insight on Kylie
as well her life with Kevin, who's a composer, artist, writer,
all of the things.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
He's absolutely brilliant and he's pretty good looking.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, he's a hunk.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I would say I was. I was having trouble focusing
on that episode.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Imagine my life. I can't every morning.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Every morning. So shout out to Kevin. Yeah, I wish
he could have come tonight. That would have been fun.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Me too, me too.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, thank you so much for asking me. I'm very honored.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's Christmas Eve Eve.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yep, I totally forgot.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, and we're just we're just slamming. We're just working.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
We're just working.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Let's just kill it. Let's go in and let's jump in.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Tell our listeners who you are? Okay, where you come from?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
What's your Why do you like music? What's the deal?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Uh yeah, my name is Kylie Daly. I am from
a little town in Georgia, I guess the Georgia and
I grew up there in also Colorado and then moved
to Nashville when I was eighteen years old and I've
been here since then.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Did you move here for music or not?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Really?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I just met a lot of people from here, and uh,
I think it was kind of music. But I wasn't
very ambitious or like focused. I just thought there's people
that I like in this town and I want to
be there, So I'm just I moved here.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Did you did you grow up doing music?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I did a little bit. My dad played drums and
I was around it in that way, and then we just,
you know, kind of classic, like just had a lot
of music on in the house. And I my dad
bought me an electric guitar when I was like thirteen
years old, and I started writing songs on my karaoke machine.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Actually, well thirteen, that's pretty early.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, it was kind of early. And then I I
didn't share them with anybody, like it was just my
own little thing. And then I stopped making music for
a while and just did it like the hobby.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, yeah, why did you stop?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I think I just well, I'll tell you this. When
I was when I was a teenager, I had a
boyfriend who was not very encouraging to me, and he
told me he did not like girl singers, and I
kind of just like shut down.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
How old was he?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I was, this is like fifteen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Okay, he didn't like girl singers?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, I know, isn't that so lame? But when you're
a little fifteen year old girl, you're like, Okay, well,
I guess that means I should not make music. Yeah,
so obviously, now that's so dumb. But when I was
a teenager, I was just like, does Kevin like girl singers? No,
that's something we've it's been like a big issue in
(05:23):
our and our relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Is what a debacle to be married to someone who
doesn't like.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I know, it's like that tension that keeps us going,
you know, and you're a girl singer. Yeah, I'm totally
a girl singer anyways. So uh, it took me a
while to kind of like get through that, honestly, Like
that was kind of one of those young experiences that
I had to work through as a grown up.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So yeah, I didn't start putting out music until COVID.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Really Yeah, Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, that's wild,
I know. Hold on you, Okay, you started writing songs
at thirteeniors your dad got you a guitar, yep, yep.
And two years later I got a bad boyfriend. Some
dude was like, I don't like girls singers, and you
just hung it up.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, I just hung it up. I think I just
I still wrote poetry, like privately, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Did you want to do it?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Did you? Did you have like a no, you didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I was just like, this is interesting because so many
people moved to Nashville to do music, I know, and
our musical much like yourself, right, they start early move
here and.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
They're like, this is what I want to do. I
actually did want to move to Nashville to be a producer. Okay,
So I had been in some recording settings with said
boyfriend at the time.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh he was, he was.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, So it was kind of that classic like totally
and so I had been in.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The studio and I were better than them, that's right.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well, I had no idea. I was just like I thought,
you know, you're just like I think people are so
cool and I think I just was like, oh, that's
for other people.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
But I did it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You know, as I'm not going to say his name,
I will not you know, he didn't know. He's just
but anyways, and yeah, and so I just I just wrote,
Like at that time, it was just sort of like
to process my life, Like I just wrote poetry. And
I was always really in a lyric, like as a
(07:31):
kid in high school, and I didn't realize that was
something unique about me. I just like did it. Yeah,
until I got older, and then I was like, oh
not everybody's like that. Some people don't even think about lyric.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, so when you say you're into lyric, you know,
like a lot of kids are dreaming of being a
rock staring right whatever. That wasn't your viole, not at all.
You didn't get that electric guitar and thing, no stage
and lights, not even close.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Okay, No, I was likeessed with the writing, like the
poetry part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
What do you think where do you think that obsession
came from. I don't really know, like like did you
read it.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I think it came from having a lot of feelings
that were I was sort of disconnected from and not
knowing how to access them, and like somehow music was
this art form that I would feel so much release from.
I went to like a lot of loud rock shows
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growing up, like a lot of punk music, and like
warehouse shows and house shows that were just like savagely loud,
like just I could never listen to that kind of
music now without like in a safe way. It's like
not good for your body, but also kind of good
like cathartic, you know, just like the release. And I
think I was just so intrigued by that, Like I
(08:52):
was just how does this happen? This is magic that
you can like feel this release from being around this
kind of sound, right, And so yeah, it was just
sort of a natural interest that just sort of grew.
And then same with lyric of like saying something in
such a different way that makes you have this like
takes you out of where you are and you're in
(09:13):
a different place or you're like you're able to It's
like saying something in a way that feels so like
wild and unique to someone's experience, but then somehow you
can relate to that and it gives you, It gives
you like a story for your own life. And I
(09:34):
think that I had those experiences like in high school privately,
like I wasn't really like talking about them with other
people when I was having them. And then that's when
I just started to like write a lot of poetry.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Do you think secretly do you think that the writing
is is the writing part the better experience for you
than the perfor.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Oh, one hundred percent. I didn't even know that that
was like I don't know, this is my question to
myself all the time, Like I didn't even know that
that I wanted to do music at all, like outside
of just my own little like expression that I would
(10:21):
do privately until Kevin was working on a record with
UH an artist amed Rina Gillert, and he engineered or
I think he mixed her record. Maybe this is a
record in twenty twelve called Old Light. She's this amazing
bluegrass musician and her album is really unique. Her voice
(10:41):
is really unique, and it just sounded like pure soul,
like pure expression of self and no hiding at all.
It was like so bare. And that was the first
time where I was like I felt like I heard
something where I was like I want to do that.
I don't know why, but like that's my north star,
(11:02):
Like what something I want to make? And UH and
then I and around that time, like when Kevin I
first started dating, we've been married for a million years.
It feels like we've been married for like fourteen years now.
But that's when I sort of started meeting people who
were like writers for their career instead of just like
the classic like rock stars on stage or whatever, or
(11:22):
like you know, artists that's like performing and that's a
part of it. I had never really met people who
were just like, oh, yeah, we're just writers, like we're
not you know, yeah a light or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So what what brought it out of you?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Then?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
What was the thing? What was the thing you had
you hadn't done? You said you hadn't thought about doing
your own stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, so well that's not entirely true. I kind of
when Kevin I got together, you know, he was like,
you gotta do this, like.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You gotta get you got so you showed him, you
showed him.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I yeah. And I had kind of started sharing, like
I played around with some friends and stuff and would
sing with people and stuff like that. But I wasn't
like trying to pursue an artist, I guess is what
I'm trying to say. I wasn't like I'm going to
be a Nashville artist and I'm gonna go gig and
like do this stuff. I just wasn't doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It sounds exhausting.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I think it's so impressive people do it. I'm like,
it's impressive. It seems I mean, I know you've done that,
Like I think it is so yeah, it seems like
the most exhausting thing I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Stand, I'm like, so impressive to me. Anyways, So yeah,
so I forgot what I was talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
What did he say?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So, no, you're good?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
What brought it out of you?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Oh yeah? Okay, So over COVID, I've had like a
million weird jobs. I'm like, a that's like a whole
not I could like, it's a whole not broadcasts of
some of my weird jobs I've had because I moved
here and I didn't I did never went I never
(13:08):
finished college or anything. So I just like showed up
in different like entertainment industry roles. Like I was a PA.
I worked like I worked in the Varnerbilt er. Briefly,
I worked like as an like I did industrial sewing
for a while. I did, like I've done a ton
(13:28):
of weird pint of jobs. Anyways. One of my jobs
was I was a booking agent for professional speakers for
like a period of time and during about six years
and over COVID, I like lost all my work obviously
because everything got canceled. And Kevin was working with this
record label in Sweden who were looking to sign some
(13:49):
like new artists, especially like women artists, and so he
was like, hey, we have these demos that like him
and I had worked on music. But every time we did,
we just like fought the whole time, like it was
not it. We kind of stopped trying because it was
just like very fraught anytime we tried to collaborate. And
so he was like, what if we just like send
them some of your demos and then see and they
(14:11):
were like great, we love them, make.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
More, and so you got to deal with them.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, I've been making music ever since then.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So that's what it was. That's what it was. It
was like, that's cool story. I mean to go from
having all these random jobs, I know, and two now
you're you're forcibly.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Pushed into it, totally forced into it in a good way.
Like it has been so challenging in like all the
ways you want, like all the scary ways that are
pushing you outside of your comfort zone. Right, it's been
very fulfilling work.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, you know, well it's it's inter thing that it
would happen that way, that COVID would like being locked
out of your main income and then just being married
to the right obviously you're married to the right guy
to push you along and say, hey, totally this is
(15:19):
what you should be doing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I know. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And he's always just been like, well, I think also
because I wasn't, you know, sharing outside of just my community,
you know, with some of the things I would make,
and he was like, he was always like, from you know,
from when we first got together, like, I really think
this is in you, Like I think this is something
(15:41):
you would love to do, and I think you know,
and turns out it is right, But I just I
couldn't see it. It was like I was blind to it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And at this point you've got kids and all the
family things. Is it difficult to keep that vision alive,
which vision the music one, yeah, balancing all of the
other things.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah? Or is it just like this is my job.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I think it is both. Like I think that even
if I think regardless of like what industry you're in, no,
when you have kids, like you set a time to
go to work and you go to work, doesn't matter
what it is like you go to work, you show up,
you know, and that's like when music is your job,
(16:37):
then that's what you do, even if you're not feeling
it or whatever. You just show up and you give
it like the time and attention. And some days I'm like, oh,
everything I made sounds terrible, and the next day I'm like,
I love this idea and it's sort of that spectrum
of emotion and yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's definitely a
challenge in the same sense of like going to work
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can be a challenge because some days you're just like, oh,
I don't have to meet it, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
But I mean it is.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
A creative job, which is like very fun.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Can you pull from your like your family, daily life?
You can pull from that and put it in your art?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, I do that, And I also how do you
do that? What's like a way, like how I pull
from my family life?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, Like how do you get inspiration from momming and
being a wife and doing all of this stuff and
then put that into your song? So it's not just
like another breakup song or love song. It's bigger than that,
not that there's anything wrong with those.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think like I just I do feel
like a part of my practice now or like my
work is to like check in with myself, like almost
to just kind of consistently a journal right about, Like
if I can write anything that feels authentic, I have
(18:07):
to like be connected with myself, which is kind of work, yeah,
because it's kind of way easier for me to just
like numb olt and just kind of like chill, you know.
So I think that that's a consistent thing that I
(18:27):
to get anything that feels that I can connect with,
which I always want to be putting out music that
feels totally like real and authentic. It feels like such
a privilege to get to make art as a job
that I'm like, I don't want to waste a minute of.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
This on right. Do you think you would still be
doing it as maybe not as much or maybe as
passionately if it wasn't your job.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I no, No, that's a good honest answer. Well, why
why not just scheduling?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Or I think so I think I would. I think
I I think I would be less focused. I'm like
a very creative like I like to do a lot
of things. I love to do pottery, I love to paint.
I love to like interior design. Like interior design, I'm
(19:32):
very interested in. I'm very and I love to learn
new things. So I'm kind of I don't have that
like this is my thing and I'm just hone in
on this, And I think if I didn't have it
as my work, I would like I would be scattered
and I wouldn't I wouldn't be like I'm going to
(19:53):
develop this specific skill. So I think it being my
work is like it makes me like, yeah, it's like discipline.
It's like a discipline that I can focus on and develop.
And yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
When you write with Kevin, yeah, you mentioned that you
guys would fight before.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, we would just and I mean I say fight,
I kind of just mean like I know you mean yeah.
I don't mean like we're screaming at each other, but
we're like, you know, easily offended at each other. And
oh yeah, he'd be like, oh, he'd be like what
do you think I'd be like, or I'd wait a
second to respond and'd be like almost delete it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I just delete it.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And then I'd be like singing so quiet because I
was just so scared of I don't know, expressing I
don't know. I just it was so scary, so intimate
to share your voice and your poetry.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's so intimate, especially after you were told that you
know women, Oh.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I know, And I mean that's just that's like you
don't realize because it's so dumb, right like when you
say out loud, you're like, what a stupid thing. But
you know, when you're a kid, you don't realize.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
It's not dumb for you to carry that though, right
because that the things that are told to us, even
at older ages, it sticks totally, whether it's good or bad.
And then you feel like, well I should stop.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I know, and you know, you know it's also wild
is it's like who knows if that even ever happened,
right Like it could have just been how I felt
like I could have heard it through my own insecurity
and filtered, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Like,
and then I turned that into a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's like yeah, yeah, it's just well, now that you've
grown in your artistry and you've you know, you've got
people behind you doing this and helping you, and it's
a job, I assume you feel more confident in it.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, Oh yeah, way more.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Because you're the stuff that you're doing now has I
like everything you've put out, but every but this is
you're at like a new maturity. Does that sound correct? Yeah? Yeah,
And so without that kind of like confidence. And because
I remember seeing you and Kevin play at we played
(22:28):
it like sweetwater is that spring water? I always get
it wrong. I got it wrong with Kevin, I got
it wrong with Carl.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Carl.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You played with Carl.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
He's my like songwriter.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
He's on this podcast too, but I forget what episode
it was. It wasn't that far ago. So look up
Carl Anderson everyone. Yeah, he actually plays a song. He's
the only guest I've ever had took guitar off the
wall and played a song.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
He's absolutely the best.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It was. I wanted to keep hanging out with him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
He's amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I know. I'm like.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
When I first saw him play, he played a show
with my friend Molly Pardon, and I don't think I
had even met him at that time, and I was like,
holy shit, Yeah, I have never like I've never seen
just someone so piercing with their poetry, like his words.
Just the whole room was like completely silent. We were
(23:28):
in the palm of his hand.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
You know, he's kind of like that just as a
hang too.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, he's he's funny and smart, funny, it's witty, and
it's just like and that night that I saw you,
I'd never seen you play. I've seen do some stuff
with Micah talks and some other things throughout the years.
But I was I was loving it. It was super
(23:53):
stripped back. Yeah, it's like I think I want to
say you were on like an electric or something. Yeah, probably,
which was super cool. And it was just you and
Kevin and I think Carl came for a few songs.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
That was kind of a weird show because I think
I don't even remember. I think I was like there
was really anybody there. First of all, it was like
a week night or something like a Tuesday. Yeah, And
I don't know, it just it was fun, like we
had fun, but it was fun. It was kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, those those smaller shows that are they're more intimate
and when your friends just come, you feel like I
can really I know.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah. The difference about Nashville is a lot of your
friends are just happened to be either really good artists,
great producers like Micah and then you're like, oh, You're like,
oh great, now, I just want to eat hamburgers with you.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I don't want to listen to anything that I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
It's it's so real in Nshville.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh gosh, yeah, that's That's one of the things I
was going to ask you is being in this town,
do you feel like, do you ever feel like or
ever struggled with the idea that you're not good enough
for your stuff's not valuable enough. Yeah, because Nashville is
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just like this gosh, it's just like so many amazing
people that are just so talented and seemingly like they've
got it figured out. They dialed it in and they're
off to the races. And the underlying question is how
do you deal with that if that's something you have
(25:44):
or do struggle with.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I mean, I think it's just like an ongoing struggle.
But I think, like I try to think that every
person has something totally unique to share, and if you're
not sharing it, then we don't get to see it.
It's like it's almost like if you believe that you
have something to give to somebody else, you know it
(26:09):
totally changes your perspective of like what you're making versus
like comparing yourself to everybody. It's just, you know, it's
just no way to live to just walk around and
compare yourself to everyone else because it feels terrible. Yeah,
but it's it's kind of like that whole thing of
like staying on top of what you at least for me,
(26:31):
of kind of being like, Okay, if I am feeling shitty,
like what what's going on? What like what idea was
I like when did I pick up that feeling or
was it like me comparing myself to this artist or whatever,
you know, and trying to like hone in on that
(26:52):
because I think if I like look at it and
write about it, then I can move through it instead
of just like tamping it down or whatever. And like, yeah,
procrastinating and you're kind of thinking about it because it's
it's easier to not think about it because it's painful
to consider that you know, what I'm making is shit?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, So how do you how do you move into
trusting yourself for that?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
There's so many nowadays, so many distractions that pull you
away from trusting yourself, Like you know, social media is
probably number one. Yeah, regardless of what town you're in,
of being able to see and say, well look at
this person doing this, I can't do that totally. I
can't get here, but you do have something to offer
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regardless of what you're looking at. That's ninety nine percent
chance that it's not real.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, I mean I think for me,
a thing I think about a lot is you know,
having kids, I think, what do I I can't expect
them to do anything I'm not doing. So that's a
big thing for me. If I want my daughter to
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get up there and dance in front of her peers,
then I have to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It's silly to think that she's gonna believe me that
encouragement if she doesn't see me doing that. So I'm
not saying I'm gonna dance, but I'm just saying, like,
as an example, you know, I think that's one thing
that helps me is kind of like it's a reason
and to kind of push through what is freaking me
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out or is scaring me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
And then I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
A lot of affirmations.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I remember.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I remember, like when I was fifteen, one of my
first jobs I worked at a dry cleaners and I
there's just an hours hours by myself in this dry
cleaners in Colorado Springs, and uh, there was this tape
machine in there and I press play on it one
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day and whoever had been working there before me had
like an affirmation tape. Who was like, I am strong,
I am confident. Yeah, And I remember thinking this is
the most embarrassing thing I could imagine. Like for some reason,
my reaction was like this is so cringe, you know.
(29:29):
And now I'm like, that is the sauce, Like you
have to just like tell yourself like, no, I am great.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
And you know, I'm not saying like I'm the greatest.
I'm just saying, like, you know, I have something to
share it and all I can do is share it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And it's okay to be confident with what you're doing
and like what you.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Do totally that is okay. It's not being like that's
what I want my kids to be, Like, I'm gonna
be like, look, I drew this thing, isn't it awesome?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah? And your kids are gon like not really, which
is the greatest.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
My kids will like not listen to any of my music.
They're like please, God, we don't want to hear another mix.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Please.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
But when they say they like it, you're like, that
means you've hit the jackpot.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, they're usually pretty like they give me a lot
of critiques.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
I think when you turn voice down, like your your
vocals down in like the bridge, brave will be super.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Do you think you're usually right?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, he's usually right. Like, Okay, let's take notes about them.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They're smart. They're smart, they know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, but I think that helps me, like thinking about
my kids and then just kind of believing. You know,
if I don't believe about something I'm doing, then just.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Just like.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Gas lighting myself into it or something I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, well reading whatever works. You have to trick yourselves,
you kind of do.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I think that the less I pay attention, the better
I feel about it. That's cool.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Let you pay attention people other people.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Okay, that sounds pretty.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
So you just like don't listen to anything except your
own music, yes, Like this is the only thing I'm
listening to listen to.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Your song yet it's just been I was like, my
stuff sounds really great.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, say more about that, say more about that?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
No, I just mean paying less attention to all of
the things. You know, like here's what you need to
do in order to get here, okay, right, Like here's
the steps you need to take.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like turning it into like an equation, or like if
you do X, Y and Z, it will equal this thing,
right right.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I do want to be inspired by other people's story
and art, yeah, and that definitely happens. I don't think
any artist is. I mean, every one of us is
pulling from something else that we've heard or learned or
seen or whatever. And but if I, if I dig
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too far into how they did it, yeah, then I
start catching myself. Go, I can't do that. I can't
do that. I can't do what the Beatles did. I
can't do what it doesn't They didn't have to be
that big. I just can't do that. But that's the
part that I don't know. We don't know how that
(32:29):
is going to play out. Right. You can write a
song and it get picked up in twenty years and
it's just been sitting around for a while, yeah, and
then all of a sudden it's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Also, Like I don't know how you feel about this,
but I think the more I'm writing, the more I
feel like it's not even me in a way, like
I'm just not entirely But that sounds sort of weird,
but like I guess, I mean, like I'm writing and
(33:02):
then they're and then my songs are out, and then
it's like I may not, you know. There's some songs
where I'm like, I just love this song, like deeply,
I'm deeply connected with this song is extremely personal. And
then some songs I'm like, I like this song, you know,
and and I like it and then I put it out,
(33:22):
you know, and then it's like but for someone else,
it's like really meaningful, And I think that's very mysterious,
it is, And I think that takes the pressure off
sometimes if you're not like in love with every single
one of your ideas, because then it's like, well, maybe
it's not for you, maybe it's for somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Else's at point, you know, And.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
If you can kind of remove yourself from the equation,
just believe in your ideas and give them like the
dignity to finish them. Yeah, so and they might be
for somebody else.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's a whole different like offshoot conversation, which be something
like when you're trying to decide which songs to choose for.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
A record, which is also mysterious.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's so weird.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah, you're like, I don't know which ones am I
connecting with? But then it's like it's like for me,
I like all of my songs, right, so obviously all
let's record all of them totally. But on the real
that's that's part of the thought, is like I don't
know which ones to choose, really like, I know which
ones I like more than others. I guess, so I
(34:29):
guess I showed the producer that same year, and then if.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
They don't love it, I'm like, oh, what's wrong with you?
This is a great song. Let's try to sell it,
you know, and then there are the problem. Yeah, but
the point is there will sometimes I will go to
the one that I least like, and I will share
that with the producer and see if they come back
(34:56):
with a hey, let's do.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
That one that one connected with me totally.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And then it's or I will send it. I'm curious
about what you do as an artist, but I have
like maybe five people i'll send new songs to.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
I do that too.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Okay, one of them is not fair because it's usually
my mom and I love to hear it. Just send
me everything, and then she's like, is this one about me?
It'll be a fun song and she'll be like, oh,
that's sad. I'm like, that's not sad. She's hearing it
differently than I wrote it. But that's fine. But but
(35:37):
the one of those, maybe one or two of those
people are not music people.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Oh yeah, that's smart, which is.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Hard to do because I want them to like all
of it, and I know they're not going to like
the one that I get as deep with. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, and you send them that one?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, I'll send them whatever.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I want to know, like if if I'm trying to
use the right language here, but I want to know
that if my like you know how musicians are just
too critical about music. Yeah, and so I want to
know that my normal friend isn't doing that right. So
(36:23):
if they connect with that, it feels like, oh, this
is the smart song to cut. That makes sense because
maybe it'll have more mass appeal.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Totally for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
No, that's that's totally valid. I can see you do that.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Though you have like a handful of people that you
send I do, and.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I think I just get excited. I'm like, I love
this song. You send it to a few friends, and yeah,
and they're all songwriters, so if they say they like it,
I mean I would love more like critical feedback. I think, Yeah,
we do have some friends that will be like, give.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Me a little you know, yeah, maybe you should do
this or yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Or like they'll be like I really like this one.
Like maybe if I send them a few, they'll be
like this one is the one I really love or something. Yeah,
And I'm like, oh, that means they hate all.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
The other right, that's what happens. They're like, hey, you
should change this line, Like, no, it's not really what
they mean. Take this word out. I know that's the
word of the whole song.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
And I guess that's what I mean when I'm talking about,
like when I'm finishing my thought in that way, I
try to like go back and be like, that's not true.
That's just what my brain told me in that moment. Yeah,
they didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, let's talk about folded hands.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
We this is a song that currently, as we record this,
you have not released. Yes, by the time this comes out,
it should be released or will be very soon. Let's
go ahead and listen to the work tape and then
we'll talk about the work tape, talk about the song.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Folded Hands. I can make this better if you want.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
At Night Felt displace my home.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
With the head one place is gonna make the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Song a far good ready travel ball that back be good.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Look. Oh I'm stands stay weally.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You love good.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Okay, this work tape is really This work tape is
really fun. The reason I want to know how you
started writing it because I don't I think you started
writing it just like this, but I could be wrong
because it kind of as everyone just heard introes with
(40:09):
like drums and then you're just singing. So how did
you start writing it? What was your process and what
got into this work tape drum loop kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, I the first six months of this year or
last year this podcast, So twenty twenty four. I just
had the incredible privilege of writing for a full length record,
and so I really wanted to. I normally write just
(40:42):
like on acoustic guitar, and I was like, I need
to just change it up, and you know, so I
started writing on garage band instead of just in my
basement with my guitar.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
And so.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
This work tape is just like me finding a drum
loop that wasn't so intolerable, yeah on garage band, and
like playing a little like I had a little MIDI keyboard,
you know that I was just like tinkering around. I
mean you can tell it and like just messing around.
And then yeah, and that's like, so I just started
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it with that those drums. I just was like loop
and just dropped it. I started it and then yeah,
and then I heard those chords which are like, you know,
I actually I think I did end up playing synth
on the final track, but on that track it sounds hilarious.
And then uh, and then yeah, I just like sang
(41:41):
into a little mike at my desk.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
That's so fun.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah, And that's how I did most of this record.
I did write a few songs on guitar, but I
was trying to just challenge myself to make everything on
garage band, right, yeah, instead of just a guitar.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Well, it's important, I think to get versatile on how
you write, because it starts to get worn out and
boring totally. Just to grab as even if you just
grab a different guitar or I know, an electric versus
an acoustic or whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah, rotating the fields any, Mitchell says and helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Did you already have lyrics ready?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I think every song's kind of different, like how I
land with lyric. But I think in this case, I
was listening on the way over here to do this interview,
and I think in this case the only line I
had was folded hands only because I think I liked
the way that that sounded to say.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And and then.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
It was sort of like just piecing together the story.
I think originally I had wanted to write about the
whole thing of like are you a believer in love
that can last? I wanted to write something about the
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word believer, even that has like a lot of religious connotation.
I was during that time when I was reflecting, which
is kind of it kind of ties into like our
previous conversation, was thinking about how like what you're believing
or what you're like focused on, you're kind of like
(43:37):
manifesting in your life, you know, And so I was
thinking about that, and I wanted to write about that
in some way that didn't feel I don't know, yeah too,
like that's just kind of what I was writing about
was like, how do I change what I'm focused on
when my brain is like constantly going to something not helpful? Right,
(44:01):
And so that's what sort of like that's how the
song started, but that's not really where it landed. But
that's kind of how like those were those were that
that was the idea.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
That sort of Yeah, it sounds like the song is
about like an argument or yeah, it's just not being
seen or kind of like stonewalling. Somebody's stonewalling the other one. Yeah,
like you could do something about this, but you're not.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
You're just sitting there totally. Yeah, I love hearing what
it sounds like to you. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's
it's whatever you're perceiving it as I guess, but it's like, yeah,
sometimes I'm like it's a story or it's like from
my own experience or but I feel like that's a
good Like I like the question. I like asking questions. Yeah,
(44:52):
I like it when lyrics ask questions because then you
can your story, your own like life answers it. How
are you?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
My favorite line in the song is I can hardly
put my heart out when I'm looking over my shoulder
which is kind of to me speaking to the fight, right,
like I'm not I don't trust you because you're not responsive.
(45:25):
So how can I How can I be vulnerable when
I'm looking at you not doing anything?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Do you have a favorite lyric on this? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
I love that one on the song. Yeah, I mean
that one stands out. I like that one. Yeah, yeah,
I think like, yeah, I think it is. It ended
up kind of being about Yeah that like relationship and
just like building trust with someone and all the question
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you're asking yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
And this is clearly about the guy that doesn't like women.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
Yeah, it's about him. No, I think it's I think
it really could be like any relationship. It's like any
it's very well, that's the thing about any anybody.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
This song is really it connects that way because anybody
who's been in a relationship or marriage longer than a day, yeah,
knows this vibe.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, so it's really great. Let's uh. The full production
version is so freaking cool. There's so many kevinisms.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
And can I talk about who played on it?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yes, all day Kevin produced it, right, Yes.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
So my husband Kevin Daily produced this whole record, but
he also produced this song and the record is called
Way Past Taken and that's going to be another single
be out very soon. But we were able to record
this track at a Skinny Elephant with Dylan Aldridge engineered.
(47:11):
It's an amazing engineer also producer. And I have a
list here everyone, so I make sure to not forget anybody,
but Ben Kaufman played strings and guitar on this track.
Kevin played bass and piano and probably some other SYNTHI things.
(47:32):
Dan Burns played drums, and David Wiliford played woodwinds. I
think there's sacks and clarinet on this song. And it
was really fun in the studio and then I and
then obviously I'm singing. I think I've played some synth
and we just like cut it live, so we yeah,
we cut it like all together. It was really fun
(47:53):
and we kind of just like threw everything like at
the wall, you know, just like, let's just how.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Many times did you have to do one live to
get it to where you wanted it?
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Well, I don't even remember how many takes we did.
Maybe we maybe like four or five maybe, but then
you know, we still were stacking and like picking our
favorite takes and things, So there's definitely still Yeah, you
know we're editing and most adding color, but a lot
of this record was cut like that, So you do
(48:26):
feel this sort of like energy that I feel like
is unique to recording with a band.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Cutting live is so much fun. And when you do
it with I mean, gosh, you're with Dan Burns. I know, yeah,
is so good.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
It's so good all those guys it was. What's so
neat about I do feel like is unique to Nashville
is walking into a recording session with your song and
you know, the players haven't even ever heard the song
and they look at the chart and they just jump
in and it's so good. It's like first thought. It's
(49:07):
like you get to capture people's first thought, which I
feel is really special, you know, in a recording setting,
and it's so impressive. I'm like, it's such a crazy shure.
Every time, I'm like, who is letting me in here?
(49:28):
Who allowed this?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
It's like it's wild. I'm like, how do I even know?
These freaks? They're crazy brilliant and so expressive and so
melodic and like, yeah, it's it's a ball, Like we
have so much fun in there and so yeah, that
this record was just like it was like adult summer Camp.
(49:51):
We kept saying that that sounds like it's sexy, not
in a sexy way. I'm like, don't google that, but
we kept calling at summer Camp adult summer Camp. That's
because it felt like that we were just having so
much fun. So yeah, that's how I just had to
shout out all the contributors because they really made the song.
(50:11):
Obviously you can hear my demo, and obviously you can hear.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Well, the demo is fun though. That's what That's the
whole thing about this. You want to hear like the
rawness of where it was birthed. It's so it's cool
to me to hear that. All right, So what I
want you to You said you had a ton of
weird jobs.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Oh yeah, you want to hear some of those.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I want to hear your worst job and your worst
day at that job.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
Oh that's gonna be sad, though, Well, can you make
it funny? I can try.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
It can be sad. People don't want to be sad.
It's Christmas. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
I'll tell you my worst I'll tell you my worst
day at one of my jobs. I still feel so
bad about this. It's something I did that was really naughty.
I worked for this very sweet man. His name is Michael,
and he I was a booking agent. He had a
(51:16):
he's actually an immigration attorney and he had a booking
agency and as like a side hustle. Uh And I
worked for him and we had a lot of fun.
He was great, and I uh, I think there was
one day I was working with another gal and and
we were shit talking to him. We were shit talking
(51:40):
to him, and I can't even remember. I think it
was like I think he had like taken a day
off and this man worked so many hours and I
just I think we were talking bad about him. And honestly,
I can't even remember what it was that we said,
but I think we were just like, oh, classic, he's
going on vacation and da da da, you know, just
like yep, caddie, like no, no reason to say this stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
And he heard us.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Oh no.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
It was such a bad feeling, and he was so
sweet about it, and he was like pulled us aside.
I was like, I've never been more ashamed in my life.
I was like this, And the thing that was the
worst about it is he was like a great boss.
Like I've had some shitty bosses. This guy was great
and anyways, shout out Michael. I'm so sorry, and that's
(52:33):
so fun. It was bad, it was mean, and he
was so sweet and he was like, I heard what
you said. That was very hurtful. If you have a problem,
just talk to me about it. And I was like,
I'll never I'll never forgive myself.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, I've done that before.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
It's not even funny. My dark, my dark, my dark
job stuff is like when I worked at the yer.
There's some crazy stuff. Oh and I worked as a
PA for some celebrities and I can't even talk about that.
Crazy stories with that sign for that Oh yeah, I
love it. I can't say a word about it, but
you know, off air sometime.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, all day. I'll tell you one time, I accidentally
I was with my brother who's in this room with us.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Yeah, and uh oh he.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
We were recording. He was recording music for me and
he was getting frustrated at something. I don't even know
if he remembers this. And I texted my wife at
the time, Seawan's being such a jerk.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Right now, Oh you text, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Sean's being an asshole and it and his phone dinged
and I was like, and I just go, dude, I'm sorry,
And he just looked as he just looks at his
funny puts it down and keeps working.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
The thing is when it's like it's when it's someone you, yeah,
that you're like, I wouldn't never really want to I
would never want to hurt that person. That's what I'll
talk about.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
I'll call you an asshole behind your back. Oh, say
it exactly. But I don't want to do it to you.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
No, I don't want to do it to you. Yeah,
I'm trying to think of like that's just like a
time when I felt really bad. But I can try
to come up with some some crazy stories.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
You're fine if you have it, you have it.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
That was the first thing that came to mind.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
That's when I felt real bad about it.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
It's relatable. I think we've all done stuff like that.
Stomach drops and you're like, oh my gosh, who am.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
I Why would I even? Why Why would I wouldn't
even you.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Know what, if you didn't hear you, you wouldn't have
even thought about it.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
Oh, no way, I would have totally gone.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
You would have left that day and be like, screw
that guy his vacation, I know.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
And the next day I would have been like, Hi, exactly, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Okay, what do you have coming We obviously have talked
about you have this record coming out, so that's like
the biggest thing. I assume. Yeah, have any shows? So
this at the end of the year, This is probably
our last episode of the year. Do you have shows
coming on?
Speaker 4 (55:15):
I do, Yeah, I'm playing a show. I'm playing just
a few songs with at Malapalooza on January fourth, so
it's probably past now, but I'm playing that. And then
I yeah, I have a record coming out end of February.
And then I think something I'm really excited about is
(55:36):
I I actually get to work with Johnny Marr of
the Smiths.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh no way, Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (55:47):
I can't believe it. So through my record label, he
was looking to like mentor a few artists and he
picked me. So I get to go out to his
studio validation. Unbelievable, right, And I'm like, I'm so excited
and so nervous.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Of course, and he believes in girls singers.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
He likes girl singers. I guess I know what a
Dylm thing, right, I know. Yeah, So I'm that's like
my big news for sure. I'm trying to collect, like
any questions you've ever wanted to ask.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
That's like an incredible guitarist and producer. So I'm so
excited to work with him. And and then yeah, I'm
just making music. I'm like, I'm making.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You do make a lot of music.
Speaker 4 (56:46):
I'm making a lot. I'm working on another record.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
You're making up for the last time, I really am
I am.
Speaker 4 (56:53):
Turns out I needed to write some songs. Yeah, so
that's happened.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Then last question, sure, and then we'll be done. You
can listen to one record for the first time as
if you've never heard it before. What is it.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
If I've never heard it before?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (57:20):
I wish I had come better prepared for this question.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
It's not one to prepare for.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
First thought, never heard it before. I really loved the
party that Andy Schoff record.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, when I first heard that record, I was like,
what is this?
Speaker 1 (57:43):
That's what we're looking for right there?
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yeah, And that was like, I mean that came out
a few years ago, but That's the first thing that
came to mind. And I've been listening to a lot
of Annaeus Mitchell. She's in a band called Bonnie Light
horse Men.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
I like these I like these ones.
Speaker 4 (58:02):
I don't know yet, yeah, and her stuff has been
like blowing my mind. But yeah, record, like when I
first heard a full record and was like, whoa, this
is crazy.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
You never considered Sandy Patty's Christmas album.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I mean that's a runner up for sure.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I mean we had it on blast in Here.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Yeah, I missed that it was on we should we
should do that.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yeah, I'll get back to you about that.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
There's just so many good ones.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Pick you don't you pick one?
Speaker 4 (58:41):
And that's the one that came to mind. That was
when I first heard that record. I was like, there's
so unique.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, there's so many that are just life changing. And
it's not really a fair question, but I know, but
there are records that you remember where you are and
the feeling that you tru got when you were listening
to it for houp months straight or whatever. It's like
a season of life.
Speaker 4 (59:05):
Yeah, so totally.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, Kidi, thanks for coming, Thanks for having We successfully
made a podcast.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
We did it.
Speaker 4 (59:14):
Thanks for listening to me talk, Thanks for coming very much,
so fun.
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