July 3, 2024 • 19 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for 3 July 2024, BBC Sport's rugby union correspondent and commentator Chris Jones gives us an insight into the English team set to take on the All Blacks.
He addresses the change in style from the "white orcs on steroids" referring to the English forward pack.
Plus, D'Arcy chats to Newstalk ZB's Sport News Director, Clay Wilson on who Scott Roberston selects for the first test, the latest from the Euro 2024 and has Roger Tuivasa-Sheck been going under the radar this year?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, welcome on in the Sports Fix. I'm Darcy Walter Grave.
It is the third of July twenty twenty four. Coming
up in this edition of your daily dose of sport
and all things wonderful. In that space, we'll be talking
with Chris Jones, is a BBC rugby writer and commentator
over here following the English team around. What do we
(00:43):
know about the English side? Probably not a great deal
and a lot more After we speak with Chris Jones.
Beyond that, I'll shout and screen about Liam Lawson and
his chances in Formula one. The story does indeed roll
on now that Helmut Marco has climbed back into it
again and will be joined by Clay Wilson News Talk
to ZB Sports director as we take a look at
(01:05):
some of the biggest stories of the day. That's our plan, right,
let's get into it. In other news, here are the
sports news headlines from the horses mouths themselves. No white,
no retallic, no worries, says senior All black Locke and
Blues Super Rugby Championship miracle Patrick Twey plot to obviously
(01:29):
get you to stand and full.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Not a much changes, but in terms of the legacy
those have left.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I've got a for that and play well. Superstar court
sport maestro Novak Djokovic, the last of the giants of
men's tennis, has progressed through the vagaries of a torn
meniscus operation to move to the next round at Wimbledon.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
As the match progress and moved better and was a
couple of points I think when I brought him in
the second set a dead one slide. That was the
first slide of the grass court season for me. I
haven't done it even in a practice week, so that
was a great desk and.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Kiwi pugilist Andre Mkalovitch believes his double training extent in
Australia has sharpened his tools for his upcoming crack at
a couple of world titles.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
The fight, you're always going to have to put him
an extra seasoning on the training, so we've been over
to Aubrey for Bahren and more focused training just because
an extra layer or extra level of focus, which I
think is really imponderful Filo not demis across them teas.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
He's a weapon, that boy and those sports shorts I
directly from the Athlete Throats.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Use a bean. It's Sportsfix with Dancie Valdegreve.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And it gives me a great pleasure to welcome into
the studio from the BBC from Mother England Chris Jones,
who's traveling over here to follow the English round and
what could be a groundbreaking couple of matches for the
English like spect Chris, and welcome to the show that
this team have got their tails up. Knowing how fresh
it is for Scott robertson all these new guys, I
(03:03):
know what's a stake.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
You know England had been without going on too much
about the history they've they've been key to acknowledge it.
You know, they've got a guy at the helm in
Steve Bortha, who was part of the squad the last
time England were down here winning a Test match in
New Zealand, that heroic thirty man effort in Wellington in
two thousand and three. You know, no England tea before that.
One place is like Auckland since nineteen seventy three, and
this England team the one wins an Auckland, I mean
(03:27):
back to France in ninety four. That's a conversation for
next week when we're back here again in Auckland. But
how exciting for this young England team. They turned things
around during the Six Nations when when they look pretty
bleak post the Cowcutto Cup against Scotland, had a big
win against Ireland, pushed France close, tuned up nicely against Japan.
The team is settled. Not too many injuries, one or
two at home, but not too many, and it's a
team that's starting to get a little bit of former identity.
(03:49):
So yeah, what a huge opportunity talk to.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Us about the turnaround and about what the All Blacks
can expect, because this is not do English team that
punch you up the guts and get number teen and
get their kick in and we're they're actually playing expensive,
exciting rugby. Where does this come from?
Speaker 6 (04:05):
So all the way up here we saw the backpage
to the Herald and Geordie b it's talking about how
the fast pitch and the roof in Thenedin might benefit England, Like,
come on, what planet are we on? I thought it
was all about the white orcs on steroids? And the
England forward packed that everyone's scared of, or that's the
the side of the game that people down here would
be wary of when it comes to an England side,
(04:26):
but yet to have a New Zealand player talking about
an England side that might play with tempo, might play
with pace and speed and fluency, is a turnaround.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And it happened.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
The turnaround happened pretty fast for Idan during the six
Nations they went up to Murrayfield to play Scotland and
try to play a little bit of rugby. Didn't work
at all at the world.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
That was the only time they got flashed in the
sixth Nations, wasn't it? Really? The rest of the results,
even though they last two, one, three were all reasonably.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Was the last minute kick They beat Ireland with a
late Marcus Smith drop goal, but play. But it was
that Island game where they started to play some really,
really good, as you guys would say, footy, and it
came from just a little bit of a tweak here.
George Furback comes in at fullback rather than Freddie Stewart,
who's more of a defensive number fifteen. And I think
what Steve Borthwick's done is like he got to the
World Cup semi final playing that pragmatic style. They pushed
(05:14):
the box really close in the wet of Paris playing
a kicking game. But Steve Borthwicks looked at it and
this is an England team without Mackovn, a polar believe
in a polar Manitou Langy, Kyle Sinkler, big dynamic ball
carriers that did a number on the All Blacks in
twenty nineteen in Yokohama playing a power game. Yes they
moved the ball a bit, but ultimately it was dynamic
(05:34):
forward runners coming in waves and Steve Borthwick's looked and gone, Actually,
maybe England don't have that type of personnel, but they
do have a many fair with both. So they do
have a Tommy Freeman, they do have a Marcus Smith,
they do have Finn Smith. They do have an Alex
Mitchell who's worked on his kicking game loads from number nine.
But he is a kind of quick link man in
the Aaron Smith mold. So he's looking at what toolsias
(05:55):
in his disposal and what is going to be best
suited to Gettingland to win test matches. Look New Zealand
away from Home is a complete different step, and if
they did it, it would be a huge achievement. But
I think it's about Borthwick seeing what he's got and
maybe evolving his coaching style to suit the players he
has disposal.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Is this something that's been pushed on him or do
you believe his development as a coach and understanding of
the way the international game is going has suddenly stood
right in front of him with the players. He's going
and go, do you know what I've actually got as
I've got to grow? Do you believe that's what happens.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I don't think the fundamentals of what Steve Borthwick or
any head coach wants from a team are going to change.
He wants a solid set piece. He wants to use scrub,
he wants to lock up a scrum, a weapon for
penalties if need be, line outs to launch an attack,
a powerful more. They've got this new defense with Felix Jones,
which is taken from the spring box. So all of
those pillars Alex mitchell I mentioned the kicking game. His
(06:48):
box kicking has come on miles in the last year,
So all of those things he will still be desperate
to keep in place. What Borthwick won't want is to
go right. If we are going to play a bit
more rugby, then the set piece will creak, or the
defense will be a little bit poorous, or the kicking
won't be as accurate, or in them won't be as
good as winning back fifty fifties in the air. All
of that he still wants. But he does want the
ability to move the ball. He's now got athletes like
(07:10):
a Chandler Cunning himself, who was you know, raised in
New Zealand, who is a different type of you know,
he's he's going to be someone who's maybe looking for
gaps in the defense. He's abrasive, but he's not They
haven't got these big ball characters are smashing through you.
They might need to break the line in slightly different ways.
Ben Earl, he's quick on his feet, he's not so big.
He can do a believe in a polar and just
come up the guts of you.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But he had an outstanding, so standing.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
World Cup, outstanding six nations. You ally that with Sam
Underhill being a very good defensive player. Cunning himself is
this kind of dynamics dynamism. I think that England are
looking for rather than power. They need to find ways
with the person they've got, to create line breaks to
get go forward, to bring power, but not in the
maybe conventional way an England team would have brought power
in the past.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Chris Jones Jones us from the BBC's we take a
look at this England team before the first of two
tists being held under the roof in Dunedin over the weekend.
There is still some old school You mentioned some of
the older players have moved on, but you look at
Joe Marley, you look at Tamara Tooji in the like
quite a lot of these shoulders, you'd suggest are they
strong enough to carry?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
I mean you mentioned Marler and Dan Cole as well.
Dan Cole's winning one hundred and fourteenth cap this weekend.
He's thirty seven. This was a guy who we thought
was done as an international prop after he'd had a
tough time at the hands of the Box in the
twenty nineteen final. What fortitude to not just keep trucking
another four or five years, but to then go toe
to toe with the Box in a semi final and
(08:32):
banish some of those demons from Japan. So the fact
he's still trucking is a testament to him and Tomrlin
who's a few years younger, but still there's got a
lot of miles on the clock winning Cap ninety five
this weekend. But that's the area of England need going forward.
They need some backup at prop. They've got options on
the flank, they've got options in the back three. They've
got these two youngish tens in Marcus Smith and Finn Smith.
They've got a good cohort of number nine's locks. George
(08:55):
Martin's only a young guy. Olie Chesham's at home injured.
He's a top player. The prop is somewhere where in
an ideal world down that not as much would be
on the head or on the shoulders of Dan Cole
and Joe Marler. They're going to lock up that scrub.
They're going to do what they do. But looking forward
from an English rugby point of view, yeah, the fact
that those guys are still so much as reliant on
(09:16):
them is perhaps a sign that the props aren't coming
through the wasty borthmit like, especially on the tight head.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, it's Sportsfix with Darcy Waldegrave.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
For New Zealand Formula one fans. There's so much more
action off the track than there is on the track.
Liam Lawson, the young hotshoe who has been toying with
He's been teasing the possibility of getting a full time
drive in the biggest race car circus on the planet
and it is now with the amount of rounds globally,
(09:49):
the big fighter is between him and the smiling old
man of Formula one, Daniel Ricardo. Doctor Helmut Marco, one
of the power brokers behind at Red Bull, is firmly
in Liam Lawson's corner. Twice now he's come up in
the media over in Europe saying this is a development team,
this is not a team for old men. Hardly a
(10:11):
thinly disguised jab at Daniel Ricardo. But we know exactly
what Helmut Marco is after. Unfortunately, on the other side
of the garage, Christian Horner, who runs the show, he
is a massive fan of Daniel Ricardo. He likes the
energy that he brings, he likes the sponsorship that he brings,
and he likes the eyeballs that the smiling oka brings.
(10:32):
Two so they're squaring off now. There is a fight.
If you to believe what Helmut Marco has said he's
informed everybody who needs to know that this is a
junior team and we are giving a seat to Liam
Lawson next season. Look Perlane gossip, anything in the paddock,
you take it with a pinch of salt. More likely
you take it with a sack of salt. We are
(10:54):
on the cuspo of Liam Lawson picking up this drive,
this treasured drive to advance his name through in Formula one.
If he doesn't get it, he walks away and he
tries something else on with Liam lay Wilson here, though,
be very very careful the decision you make if you
do not get the nod from Red Bull to run
(11:16):
in their junior team, don't in a half, in an
absolute hurry, jump the fence and go and run off
with another Formula One team. Red Bull are at the
top of their game. McLaren are closing fast and looks
like the rest of the season with Lando Norris and
Max vers Stapen is going to be something to behold.
But for New Zealand motorsport fans away from the track,
(11:38):
what happens to Liam Lawson. There is a break coming up,
a week long break for the Formula One circus i'd
expect behind the scenes during that week we're going to
get a much better idea about where Leam Lawson's future lies.
Good luck, Liam, get in there, tear it up. We're
looking forward to you trading elbows with Max vers Stapen
(11:59):
next season and then maybe becoming his teammate. Beyond that,
we will see.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And he's locked in the chamber with me again. You
can't want to treat can you? New stig ZB Sports
director Clay Wilson joins us. Clay, welcome to the chamber.
I trust you well and reasonably excited about a rather
large announcement tomorrow morning from Rose Robertson.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah. First we've had the first squad and now we're
going to have the first twenty three man squad to
play in a to play a Test match, So and England.
What a great first test for Scott Robertson to get
down in Dunedin under the roof, some new faces around,
a lot of old faces around. So excited to see
what he throws up based on you know, loyalty, based
(12:47):
on Foreman Super Rugby and based on his history as
Crusader's coach as well. Well, I'm sure we'll garner some interest.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, if they lose, he'll definitely throw up. But you
see what I did there, I'm sorry about that. When
when you look at the team, the contentious selections, what
positions particularly, will you look to him go I didn't
expect that, or I would have rather had that. Is
there a point of difference in issue here?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, we've already talked about this today, haven't we, And
the loose forwards really jumps out as an area where
there's gonna be a lot of interest around what he
decides to do, not just with the starting trio, but
also what he opts for on the bench. Because you
look at Artie Severe Vice captain locked and he will
play number eight and I'd be very surprised if Dalton
(13:29):
Papole he doesn't get the number seven jersey. But who
do they play at number six? And who do they
have on the bench. Ethan Blackeader a Crusader's guy who
has been tremendous at international level before, but has a.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Lot janny come off the bench though to any effects,
he best utilized in that really abrasive omorial elbows and
knees and shoulders to start off against the English, there'd
be an argument toward him.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Sure, And then you've got Luke Jacobson who has that
versatility who could come off the bench. So maybe ethan
blacket it is better suited to starting a game. And
you've got the versatility of someone like Luke Jacobson on
the bench. You've also got that raw power and potential
of Wallace, a Titi on the bench but in the
squad for the first time. But I can't see him
getting a shot in this first test. I think given
(14:13):
his age and he's so fresh to that to that
team that they will probably opt to just have him
there for the experiences, at least in this first test.
So that'll be very interesting. And then also you look
at that the outside back, so I think is another
area where Caleb Clark, Mark Talia sevu Reese three doesn't
go into two. So and all three of you know,
(14:35):
I think, stake the acclaim in Super Rugby. So I'm
not sure where you would sit on that. I mean,
sevu Reese has been great in A and what was
a poor team this year with the Crusaders, but then
Caleb Clark good in A in a title winning team
and Mark Talaya is to me the best still the
best winner in the world. So yeah, I don't know
where where where it jumps out for you among those
(14:55):
kind of positions.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I look at that, I look at the halfback. I'm
fascinated to see what goes on with there. Where the
t J. Pittanara comes on as a rescue Joorne three
threer options they are I think so Finley Christie, He's
had a great season, granted, but is it enough to
push it towards Razor Robertson. I don't know. We're going
to be fascinated. And I suppose it's the combination, is
(15:18):
it with Damien McKenzie, which means Cortez.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, I've heard some
people were our great colleagues in the Rugby Direct podcast
here at zb lem Napier and Elliott Smith both talking
about the potential of quartz Atima getting in there, and
if it is a Damien McKenzie at verse five move,
then you'd, like you say, you get that super rugby combination.
So yes, I'm intrigue around halfback for sure. With the
(15:42):
departure of Aaron Smith just weird not to have him around,
isn't it very strange?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
What sixteen years eleven thirty tomorrow morning, that team comes
out and we've got a hum danger of a series
of quarterfinals coming up in Uro twenty four. Is there
one that stands out to Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, England,
Switzerland and the Netherlands taking on Well, there's the outsider Turkey.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, I think. I mean, you look at those first
two and especially that first one you mentioned Spain against Germany.
That is a massive, massive game of two heavyweights, not
just of European football, but of world football. That game
is going to be well. I mean, it's got all
the makings of a brilliant, brilliant football match. And I
was saying to you, like just tournament football. I'm not
a massive fan of the thirty minute long extra times,
(16:27):
but outside of that, this tournament football, there's something like
the Euros. It's just brilliant, doesn't it. And it's the
timings for us to have it on in the morn
and be able to get up in the morning and
catch catch the last part of the early game. Watch
that seven o'clock game has been brilliant. I guess The
big talking point is around the English what are they
going to do after they scrape through in that round
of sixteen game. Switzerland are no pushovers by any means.
(16:50):
And then the last game, I've got Netherlands in the
office sweep, so right, so my horse in that race
is very clear.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Maybe England of time, they're run perfectly. They've looked very
shabby so far. Maybe it all comes right in the
last three games when it really counts. You just don't know.
Tournament responds to the pressure. Germany under the pump of
being at home. I think they're strong enough to carry that,
but we don't know. And last, but certainly not least,
a lot of talk about Martin Johnson and no not
(17:18):
like play that I'm talking about Tomighty Martzen and Sean Johnson.
Not a lot of energy expelled on Roger Tivasisk, although
it's coming up in the bulletins. What does he sit
right now? He's been, I suppose quite quiet all year,
isn't he? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I think he had one of his better games for
a well, he's obviously been out with injury, but I
think one of his better games of the season. I
think the thing with Roger is he came back with
so much hype. He was such a great player when
he left the game. He had obviously had that Stinton
union which didn't go according to plan. He got into
the All Blacks, but.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know, not according to plan. He got into the
All Blacks. Not a bad plan, but anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, but I think still came back with people were
just expecting a lot of them. And I don't think
he's underperformed, And do you know what, I'm willing myself
to be very patient with a play like that, and
I think his performances have been more than enough to
warrant the return of the Warriors bringing him back. And
I think he's only going to grow into that position.
(18:18):
To me, at his age, with his experience and his skills,
he's someone who's going to blossom in that position at
the latter part of his career.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And let's hope that career has got a long way
to go. Clay Wilson is the sports editor for News TALKSZBB.
Thanks very much for your time.
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Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, welcome on in the Sports Fix. I'm Darcy Walter Grave.
It is the third of July twenty twenty four. Coming
up in this edition of your daily dose of sport
and all things wonderful. In that space, we'll be talking
with Chris Jones, is a BBC rugby writer and commentator
over here following the English team around. What do we
(00:43):
know about the English side? Probably not a great deal
and a lot more After we speak with Chris Jones.
Beyond that, I'll shout and screen about Liam Lawson and
his chances in Formula one. The story does indeed roll
on now that Helmut Marco has climbed back into it
again and will be joined by Clay Wilson News Talk
to ZB Sports director as we take a look at
(01:05):
some of the biggest stories of the day. That's our plan, right,
let's get into it. In other news, here are the
sports news headlines from the horses mouths themselves. No white,
no retallic, no worries, says senior All black Locke and
Blues Super Rugby Championship miracle Patrick Twey plot to obviously
(01:29):
get you to stand and full.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Not a much changes, but in terms of the legacy
those have left.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I've got a for that and play well. Superstar court
sport maestro Novak Djokovic, the last of the giants of
men's tennis, has progressed through the vagaries of a torn
meniscus operation to move to the next round at Wimbledon.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
As the match progress and moved better and was a
couple of points I think when I brought him in
the second set a dead one slide. That was the
first slide of the grass court season for me. I
haven't done it even in a practice week, so that
was a great desk and.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Kiwi pugilist Andre Mkalovitch believes his double training extent in
Australia has sharpened his tools for his upcoming crack at
a couple of world titles.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
The fight, you're always going to have to put him
an extra seasoning on the training, so we've been over
to Aubrey for Bahren and more focused training just because
an extra layer or extra level of focus, which I
think is really imponderful Filo not demis across them teas.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
He's a weapon, that boy and those sports shorts I
directly from the Athlete Throats.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Use a bean. It's Sportsfix with Dancie Valdegreve.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And it gives me a great pleasure to welcome into
the studio from the BBC from Mother England Chris Jones,
who's traveling over here to follow the English round and
what could be a groundbreaking couple of matches for the
English like spect Chris, and welcome to the show that
this team have got their tails up. Knowing how fresh
it is for Scott robertson all these new guys, I
(03:03):
know what's a stake.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
You know England had been without going on too much
about the history they've they've been key to acknowledge it.
You know, they've got a guy at the helm in
Steve Bortha, who was part of the squad the last
time England were down here winning a Test match in
New Zealand, that heroic thirty man effort in Wellington in
two thousand and three. You know, no England tea before that.
One place is like Auckland since nineteen seventy three, and
this England team the one wins an Auckland, I mean
(03:27):
back to France in ninety four. That's a conversation for
next week when we're back here again in Auckland. But
how exciting for this young England team. They turned things
around during the Six Nations when when they look pretty
bleak post the Cowcutto Cup against Scotland, had a big
win against Ireland, pushed France close, tuned up nicely against Japan.
The team is settled. Not too many injuries, one or
two at home, but not too many, and it's a
team that's starting to get a little bit of former identity.
(03:49):
So yeah, what a huge opportunity talk to.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Us about the turnaround and about what the All Blacks
can expect, because this is not do English team that
punch you up the guts and get number teen and
get their kick in and we're they're actually playing expensive,
exciting rugby. Where does this come from?
Speaker 6 (04:05):
So all the way up here we saw the backpage
to the Herald and Geordie b it's talking about how
the fast pitch and the roof in Thenedin might benefit England, Like,
come on, what planet are we on? I thought it
was all about the white orcs on steroids? And the
England forward packed that everyone's scared of, or that's the
the side of the game that people down here would
be wary of when it comes to an England side,
(04:26):
but yet to have a New Zealand player talking about
an England side that might play with tempo, might play
with pace and speed and fluency, is a turnaround.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
And it happened.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
The turnaround happened pretty fast for Idan during the six
Nations they went up to Murrayfield to play Scotland and
try to play a little bit of rugby. Didn't work
at all at the world.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
That was the only time they got flashed in the
sixth Nations, wasn't it? Really? The rest of the results,
even though they last two, one, three were all reasonably.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Was the last minute kick They beat Ireland with a
late Marcus Smith drop goal, but play. But it was
that Island game where they started to play some really,
really good, as you guys would say, footy, and it
came from just a little bit of a tweak here.
George Furback comes in at fullback rather than Freddie Stewart,
who's more of a defensive number fifteen. And I think
what Steve Borthwick's done is like he got to the
World Cup semi final playing that pragmatic style. They pushed
(05:14):
the box really close in the wet of Paris playing
a kicking game. But Steve Borthwicks looked at it and
this is an England team without Mackovn, a polar believe
in a polar Manitou Langy, Kyle Sinkler, big dynamic ball
carriers that did a number on the All Blacks in
twenty nineteen in Yokohama playing a power game. Yes they
moved the ball a bit, but ultimately it was dynamic
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forward runners coming in waves and Steve Borthwick's looked and gone, Actually,
maybe England don't have that type of personnel, but they
do have a many fair with both. So they do
have a Tommy Freeman, they do have a Marcus Smith,
they do have Finn Smith. They do have an Alex
Mitchell who's worked on his kicking game loads from number nine.
But he is a kind of quick link man in
the Aaron Smith mold. So he's looking at what toolsias
(05:55):
in his disposal and what is going to be best
suited to Gettingland to win test matches. Look New Zealand
away from Home is a complete different step, and if
they did it, it would be a huge achievement. But
I think it's about Borthwick seeing what he's got and
maybe evolving his coaching style to suit the players he
has disposal.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Is this something that's been pushed on him or do
you believe his development as a coach and understanding of
the way the international game is going has suddenly stood
right in front of him with the players. He's going
and go, do you know what I've actually got as
I've got to grow? Do you believe that's what happens.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I don't think the fundamentals of what Steve Borthwick or
any head coach wants from a team are going to change.
He wants a solid set piece. He wants to use scrub,
he wants to lock up a scrum, a weapon for
penalties if need be, line outs to launch an attack,
a powerful more. They've got this new defense with Felix Jones,
which is taken from the spring box. So all of
those pillars Alex mitchell I mentioned the kicking game. His
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box kicking has come on miles in the last year,
So all of those things he will still be desperate
to keep in place. What Borthwick won't want is to
go right. If we are going to play a bit
more rugby, then the set piece will creak, or the
defense will be a little bit poorous, or the kicking
won't be as accurate, or in them won't be as
good as winning back fifty fifties in the air. All
of that he still wants. But he does want the
ability to move the ball. He's now got athletes like
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a Chandler Cunning himself, who was you know, raised in
New Zealand, who is a different type of you know,
he's he's going to be someone who's maybe looking for
gaps in the defense. He's abrasive, but he's not They
haven't got these big ball characters are smashing through you.
They might need to break the line in slightly different ways.
Ben Earl, he's quick on his feet, he's not so big.
He can do a believe in a polar and just
come up the guts of you.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But he had an outstanding, so standing.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
World Cup, outstanding six nations. You ally that with Sam
Underhill being a very good defensive player. Cunning himself is
this kind of dynamics dynamism. I think that England are
looking for rather than power. They need to find ways
with the person they've got, to create line breaks to
get go forward, to bring power, but not in the
maybe conventional way an England team would have brought power
in the past.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Chris Jones Jones us from the BBC's we take a
look at this England team before the first of two
tists being held under the roof in Dunedin over the weekend.
There is still some old school You mentioned some of
the older players have moved on, but you look at
Joe Marley, you look at Tamara Tooji in the like
quite a lot of these shoulders, you'd suggest are they
strong enough to carry?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
I mean you mentioned Marler and Dan Cole as well.
Dan Cole's winning one hundred and fourteenth cap this weekend.
He's thirty seven. This was a guy who we thought
was done as an international prop after he'd had a
tough time at the hands of the Box in the
twenty nineteen final. What fortitude to not just keep trucking
another four or five years, but to then go toe
to toe with the Box in a semi final and
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banish some of those demons from Japan. So the fact
he's still trucking is a testament to him and Tomrlin
who's a few years younger, but still there's got a
lot of miles on the clock winning Cap ninety five
this weekend. But that's the area of England need going forward.
They need some backup at prop. They've got options on
the flank, they've got options in the back three. They've
got these two youngish tens in Marcus Smith and Finn Smith.
They've got a good cohort of number nine's locks. George
(08:55):
Martin's only a young guy. Olie Chesham's at home injured.
He's a top player. The prop is somewhere where in
an ideal world down that not as much would be
on the head or on the shoulders of Dan Cole
and Joe Marler. They're going to lock up that scrub.
They're going to do what they do. But looking forward
from an English rugby point of view, yeah, the fact
that those guys are still so much as reliant on
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them is perhaps a sign that the props aren't coming
through the wasty borthmit like, especially on the tight head.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, it's Sportsfix with Darcy Waldegrave.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
For New Zealand Formula one fans. There's so much more
action off the track than there is on the track.
Liam Lawson, the young hotshoe who has been toying with
He's been teasing the possibility of getting a full time
drive in the biggest race car circus on the planet
and it is now with the amount of rounds globally,
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the big fighter is between him and the smiling old
man of Formula one, Daniel Ricardo. Doctor Helmut Marco, one
of the power brokers behind at Red Bull, is firmly
in Liam Lawson's corner. Twice now he's come up in
the media over in Europe saying this is a development team,
this is not a team for old men. Hardly a
(10:11):
thinly disguised jab at Daniel Ricardo. But we know exactly
what Helmut Marco is after. Unfortunately, on the other side
of the garage, Christian Horner, who runs the show, he
is a massive fan of Daniel Ricardo. He likes the
energy that he brings, he likes the sponsorship that he brings,
and he likes the eyeballs that the smiling oka brings.
(10:32):
Two so they're squaring off now. There is a fight.
If you to believe what Helmut Marco has said he's
informed everybody who needs to know that this is a
junior team and we are giving a seat to Liam
Lawson next season. Look Perlane gossip, anything in the paddock,
you take it with a pinch of salt. More likely
you take it with a sack of salt. We are
(10:54):
on the cuspo of Liam Lawson picking up this drive,
this treasured drive to advance his name through in Formula one.
If he doesn't get it, he walks away and he
tries something else on with Liam lay Wilson here, though,
be very very careful the decision you make if you
do not get the nod from Red Bull to run
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in their junior team, don't in a half, in an
absolute hurry, jump the fence and go and run off
with another Formula One team. Red Bull are at the
top of their game. McLaren are closing fast and looks
like the rest of the season with Lando Norris and
Max vers Stapen is going to be something to behold.
But for New Zealand motorsport fans away from the track,
(11:38):
what happens to Liam Lawson. There is a break coming up,
a week long break for the Formula One circus i'd
expect behind the scenes during that week we're going to
get a much better idea about where Leam Lawson's future lies.
Good luck, Liam, get in there, tear it up. We're
looking forward to you trading elbows with Max vers Stapen
(11:59):
next season and then maybe becoming his teammate. Beyond that,
we will see.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And he's locked in the chamber with me again. You
can't want to treat can you? New stig ZB Sports
director Clay Wilson joins us. Clay, welcome to the chamber.
I trust you well and reasonably excited about a rather
large announcement tomorrow morning from Rose Robertson.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah. First we've had the first squad and now we're
going to have the first twenty three man squad to
play in a to play a Test match, So and England.
What a great first test for Scott Robertson to get
down in Dunedin under the roof, some new faces around,
a lot of old faces around. So excited to see
what he throws up based on you know, loyalty, based
(12:47):
on Foreman Super Rugby and based on his history as
Crusader's coach as well. Well, I'm sure we'll garner some interest.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, if they lose, he'll definitely throw up. But you
see what I did there, I'm sorry about that. When
when you look at the team, the contentious selections, what
positions particularly, will you look to him go I didn't
expect that, or I would have rather had that. Is
there a point of difference in issue here?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, we've already talked about this today, haven't we, And
the loose forwards really jumps out as an area where
there's gonna be a lot of interest around what he
decides to do, not just with the starting trio, but
also what he opts for on the bench. Because you
look at Artie Severe Vice captain locked and he will
play number eight and I'd be very surprised if Dalton
(13:29):
Papole he doesn't get the number seven jersey. But who
do they play at number six? And who do they
have on the bench. Ethan Blackeader a Crusader's guy who
has been tremendous at international level before, but has a.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Lot janny come off the bench though to any effects,
he best utilized in that really abrasive omorial elbows and
knees and shoulders to start off against the English, there'd
be an argument toward him.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Sure, And then you've got Luke Jacobson who has that
versatility who could come off the bench. So maybe ethan
blacket it is better suited to starting a game. And
you've got the versatility of someone like Luke Jacobson on
the bench. You've also got that raw power and potential
of Wallace, a Titi on the bench but in the
squad for the first time. But I can't see him
getting a shot in this first test. I think given
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his age and he's so fresh to that to that
team that they will probably opt to just have him
there for the experiences, at least in this first test.
So that'll be very interesting. And then also you look
at that the outside back, so I think is another
area where Caleb Clark, Mark Talia sevu Reese three doesn't
go into two. So and all three of you know,
(14:35):
I think, stake the acclaim in Super Rugby. So I'm
not sure where you would sit on that. I mean,
sevu Reese has been great in A and what was
a poor team this year with the Crusaders, but then
Caleb Clark good in A in a title winning team
and Mark Talaya is to me the best still the
best winner in the world. So yeah, I don't know
where where where it jumps out for you among those
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kind of positions.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I look at that, I look at the halfback. I'm
fascinated to see what goes on with there. Where the
t J. Pittanara comes on as a rescue Joorne three
threer options they are I think so Finley Christie, He's
had a great season, granted, but is it enough to
push it towards Razor Robertson. I don't know. We're going
to be fascinated. And I suppose it's the combination, is
(15:18):
it with Damien McKenzie, which means Cortez.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, I've heard some
people were our great colleagues in the Rugby Direct podcast
here at zb lem Napier and Elliott Smith both talking
about the potential of quartz Atima getting in there, and
if it is a Damien McKenzie at verse five move,
then you'd, like you say, you get that super rugby combination.
So yes, I'm intrigue around halfback for sure. With the
(15:42):
departure of Aaron Smith just weird not to have him around,
isn't it very strange?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
What sixteen years eleven thirty tomorrow morning, that team comes
out and we've got a hum danger of a series
of quarterfinals coming up in Uro twenty four. Is there
one that stands out to Spain, Germany, Portugal, France, England,
Switzerland and the Netherlands taking on Well, there's the outsider Turkey.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, I think. I mean, you look at those first
two and especially that first one you mentioned Spain against Germany.
That is a massive, massive game of two heavyweights, not
just of European football, but of world football. That game
is going to be well. I mean, it's got all
the makings of a brilliant, brilliant football match. And I
was saying to you, like just tournament football. I'm not
a massive fan of the thirty minute long extra times,
(16:27):
but outside of that, this tournament football, there's something like
the Euros. It's just brilliant, doesn't it. And it's the
timings for us to have it on in the morn
and be able to get up in the morning and
catch catch the last part of the early game. Watch
that seven o'clock game has been brilliant. I guess The
big talking point is around the English what are they
going to do after they scrape through in that round
of sixteen game. Switzerland are no pushovers by any means.
(16:50):
And then the last game, I've got Netherlands in the
office sweep, so right, so my horse in that race
is very clear.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Maybe England of time, they're run perfectly. They've looked very
shabby so far. Maybe it all comes right in the
last three games when it really counts. You just don't know.
Tournament responds to the pressure. Germany under the pump of
being at home. I think they're strong enough to carry that,
but we don't know. And last, but certainly not least,
a lot of talk about Martin Johnson and no not
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like play that I'm talking about Tomighty Martzen and Sean Johnson.
Not a lot of energy expelled on Roger Tivasisk, although
it's coming up in the bulletins. What does he sit
right now? He's been, I suppose quite quiet all year,
isn't he? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I think he had one of his better games for
a well, he's obviously been out with injury, but I
think one of his better games of the season. I
think the thing with Roger is he came back with
so much hype. He was such a great player when
he left the game. He had obviously had that Stinton
union which didn't go according to plan. He got into
the All Blacks, but.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know, not according to plan. He got into the
All Blacks. Not a bad plan, but anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, but I think still came back with people were
just expecting a lot of them. And I don't think
he's underperformed, And do you know what, I'm willing myself
to be very patient with a play like that, and
I think his performances have been more than enough to
warrant the return of the Warriors bringing him back. And
I think he's only going to grow into that position.
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To me, at his age, with his experience and his skills,
he's someone who's going to blossom in that position at
the latter part of his career.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And let's hope that career has got a long way
to go. Clay Wilson is the sports editor for News TALKSZBB.
Thanks very much for your time.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
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