September 29, 2024 • 18 mins
After a fourth straight test defeat, the Black Caps now face a three-match series in India. Award-winning journalist Dylan Cleaver joins Piney to discuss what needs to change for the results to turn.
Adam Cooper pops into The Chamber to discuss the All Blacks, Silver Ferns and Black Caps.
And should Sam Cane and TJ Perenara be on the plane for the All Blacks' end of year tour?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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This is Sportsfix Howard by.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
News Talks d BE Hello there and welcome into the
sports Flex podcast. The start of a new week, the
end of an old month, and with daylight saving now
kicking into gear, the nights are going to get longer.
So what's on the Sportspex podcast today? We'll speaking of summer.
The black Caps are in Schwlancher at the moment, playing
our most popular summer sport of cricket, but not playing
(00:41):
it very well, you have to say to losses and
the two Test matches. The second Test performance in particular
was something that was well below what we expect from
our black Caps. Dylan Cleaver going to pop in for
a chat about the black Caps and where to from here,
what changes are needed if we are to improve for
the upcoming series against India. Adam Cooper is in the
(01:01):
chamber to kick around the big sporting issues of the day,
including the All Blacks. I've got some thoughts on TJ.
Pettinata and Sam Kaine. They be on the plane for
the end of year tour and well we'll look at
the big sports stories of the day too, so let's
get into it. In other news, let's start by checking
out some of the big sports stories floating around at
the start of this new week. England have clinched the
(01:23):
Tiny Jamison Trophy. Nippuls series opener are thrilling. Fifty nine
to fifty eight went over the Silver Ferns in Auckland
last night. As New Zealand coach Dan Noline Todoua.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Probably understanding that they're pretty battle hardened coming from Ossie,
but you know, these are the games that we really
want to start to secure because I think we're capable
of doing it and had their potential to take the win.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Non playing captain Jim Furiic is singing the praises of
the American players after yet another triumph over the internationals
in Golf's President's Cup.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
An easy bunch. I had great leadership at the top.
They made the captain show really easy, and these guys
played their hearts out this week and they really really
played well in the back nine. We talked about being
a dog all week, being a tougher team those back
nine holes. Have you looked at how many holes won
and last feel like we were kind of own the
back nine this week and that was the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And the tenuous future of Manchester United football manager Eric
ten Hag is in jeopardy further jeopardy after a three
mile Premier League lost to Tottenham.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Third Premier League to beat of the season already for
matt Chessey United, Eric jan Hag two wins from the
opening six league games of the season. He's of a big,
big concern for mat Chester United supporters.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Use an amnion it's sports fix with Jason Hine.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So the Rugby Championship has done and dusted. The All
Blacks now turn their attention to the end of year tour,
with test matches against Japan, England, Ireland, France and Italy
to round out Scott Robertson's busy first year in charge.
The thirty six man touring party is going to be
named a week from today, with the major questions around
two of the sides, veterans TJ. Pettinada and freshly crowned
(02:56):
centurion Sam Kine. Should we move on from them or
give them one last hurrah? We know neither are going
to be here in twenty twenty five as they leave
to take up contracts in Japan, but both having they
are available if selected now we all know that we
need to find the balance between results now and building
for the future. So the best way to approach this
(03:17):
really is to take that rationale away and ask this
very simple question. Do those two right now justify their
place in a thirty six man squad? Is TJ Peinada
one of the best three half backs right now? The
answer is yes, he Camroy guard and Cortes with Latima
should go. Noah Hotham has had one Test off the
(03:38):
bench this year. He'll play many more from next year onwards.
TJ has played seven of the eight Tests this year,
five of those from the start. He is indeed one
of our best three half backs. Is Sam Kine one
of our best loose forwards? Again, the answer is yes.
He started at number seven in the last four Test
matches and contributed in as committed a fashion, particularly on defense,
(04:00):
as he always has. And unlike halfback, where there's a
log jam of young talent, there's no obvious heir apparent
for the open side flame his role. There's clearly a
decision to be made around who the contenders are to
wear that Jersey next year and on towards the next
World Cup. But that can wait. That next World Cup
is still three years away. For they're here and now,
(04:22):
Sam Kine and TJ. Pettinada are well worthy of their places.
I'd be taking them both.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsvex with Jason Vine.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This is the Sports Fix podcast. The black Caps have
suffered a fourth consecutive Test loss after an innings and
one hundred and fifty four run defect to Sri Lanka
in the second Test and gall match scores Sri Lanka
six hundred and two for five declared New Zealand eighty
eight and three hundred and sixty. Let's bring a multi
award winning journalist, member of the BYC podcast and producer
of the excellent subscriber newsletter The Bounce, Dylan Cleaver. Dylan,
(04:58):
I thought New Zealand fought quite hard and played reasonably
well for significant parts of the first Test, but apart
from a bit of middle order backbone in the second innings,
the second Test was pretty devoid of positives for New Zealand.
For me, can you come up with any positives?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I can come up with one and that's not even
a positive. Really, it's a negative that I'm going to
try and turn into a positive, and that would be
to say they lost the toss on both tests. And
it's difficult enough being, for want of a better term,
being an Anglo team and going and playing the continent.
It's tough these days. It's even tougher when you lose
both tosses. That is the sole excuse. That's out of
(05:37):
the way now the rest of it, And that second
Test was horrible and that surprised me to an extent
because they actually played better in that first Test than
I thought they would, particularly having lost that Test against
Afghanistan that was meant to be played in India. Having
lost that, I thought that was really going to put
(05:58):
them on the back foot. They played pretty well in
gaul in the first Test, missed a couple of opportunities
to even sneak a win there. But that second Test
was futrid.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
What happened, Dylan? What happened to the black Caps between
the first Test, which I agree they had large parts
of really impressive stuff in and the second Test which, really,
as you say, I think putrid's a pretty good word.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Yeah, I was really disappointed they made no changes. I
thought that there were a capital players short of form,
noticeably short of form in Gaul in the first test,
and I thought maybe spicing things up knowing that, I
think you've got to treat these series in isolation, and
this was a chance to get to one all in
(06:43):
the series. But instead, to me, it looks like they're
always thinking ahead, They're always thinking big picture. They know
they've got to go to India and play three tests,
so they felt that it was more fantageous for looking
head to that to play the same eleven. But I
just I don't get that thinking. My great fear is
this team has become a no accountability team. Now there's
(07:05):
no penalty. Players are allowed to fail, fail, bail knowing
that there's going to be no you know, they're not
going to be dropped. And I think that I think
that's mistaken. And and I wrote this yesterday, so apologies
for repeating myself, but I think that's mistaken. Loyalty and
inactivity for strategy.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it was one of my favorite lines in your newsletter,
and you carried on, which begs the question if you're
not coaching and there's no sign of that and you're
not selecting. What are you actually doing except wearing team
issue gear and putting out cones. Do we need a
change of coach.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yeah, it's not the New Zealand way though, And I
think Gary's dead, to be fair to him, had built
up enough credit. There's a guy that's taken New Zealand
into the powenty ends of white ball tournaments. There's a
guy that's taken New Zealand to the World Pest Championship.
I think he had enough credit in the bank to
get a contract extension. Having said that things will awfully stale,
(08:08):
the entire New Zealand cricket scene just seems a bit
stale and moribund at the moment, and I think that's
you know, there's partly to do with the high performance
setup and the fact that there's no real motivation for
the domestic cricketers. They don't feel like there's a way
into the Black Caps unless someone retires. Because it's so
set in stone. I think something needs to change, whether
(08:32):
it's attitudeinal, whether it's strategic, whether it's more than the
finer practical details. It feels awfully style at the moment,
and I think it's even reflected in the field. New
Zealand used to be one of the best building units
in the world. I think you might put them up
there with Australia South Africa. There's no one better. Now
(08:55):
I have to look at that team play and think
they are and this sounds like hyperboly but it's actually not.
When you look at the drop Catchers, I think they're
one of the sloppiest building teams in the world and
that cannot be with New Zealand teams.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So to get out of this thug that we're in
at the moment, is it necessary to change personnel, to
have widespread changes of personnel or do you believe that
the players who are currently there can undergo a change
of attitude and get themselves back to where they need
to be.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I don't think New Zealan can ever do widespread changes
and personnel because there's just not the talent pool there.
But I do think there needs to be more accountability.
I don't think you can have it. And it sounds
like I'm going to pick on a couple of players here,
and certainly they are good players. They are there for
a reason, but I don't think you can have your
Henry Nichols failing for nineteen tests andings in a row
(09:50):
before they do something about it. You're Devin Conway's failing
to fifteen tests and things in a row before I
do something about it. Even your captain Tim Sauby, who
is now I think bold sixteen innings without taking a
three wicket bags and these are long stretches. We are
essentially playing people in an eleven man game who are
(10:14):
not contributing. I think there needs to be more sharp
eyed selection, whether that means widening your pull that you're
picked from. There will be counter arguments to this are
a fixed team harmony and continuity, but I think we've
done that for a long time now in New Zealanders
(10:34):
at the Daley end of that whole extreme loyalty thing,
and something needs to be shaken up a little.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Thanks Dylan. That's Dyllan Cleaver BYC podcast award winning journalist
and producer of the subscriber newsletter The Bounce. Interesting times
ahead and decisions to be made for the Black Apps.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
On the Sports Flex podcast Time to Hop Inside the Chamber,
joined today by Adam cooperhead of our ZB Sports Bureau,
in Wellington. Great weekend in the capital coups. There seem
to be a real buzz around the place and could
of course by the All Blacks Wallabies Test match on
Saturday night. Reflecting back, what stands out most for you
about the game on Sunday, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Thanks Pine, Yeah, it was great weekend in Wellington. I think,
you know, with any questions around what the All Blacks
bring to an excitement level of people around town were
well and truly answered on Saturday. Yes, we didn't quite
sell out the Test against Argentina a month or two ago,
but this one, I think the city was you know,
almost you know at a stop just to watch this
All Blacks game. Sold out crowd, amazing atmosphere there and
(11:37):
people I think genuinely wanting to see the All Blacks
do well. So for me, just that you know, the
energy around the stadium with people I guess sharing on
the All Blacks wanting a decent contest and I think
they got a pretty good game with some decent tries.
On the weekend. I think for me seeing Wallace Atiti,
you know, with my own eyes live at the ground
and just what he continues to offer with the power,
(11:59):
you know, helping the All Blacks with some of those
quick sort of moves and meet his gain on the field,
but also defensively, a really impressive showing once again from
him who's kind of just sort of I've almost come
from stage left this year, hasn't he, and really performed
at a position that he's quite often been unfamiliar with. But
I think naturally that the biggest positive for the All
Blacks has been that breaking that hoodo for the final
(12:19):
twenty minutes, and what a try it was with Caleb Clark,
you know, pretty much getting handed the ball and racing
one hundred meters sprint effectively to the finish line as
sprint speed. So yeah, ready pleased that the All Blacks
can finish on that slightly more positive note. Still, aspects
of the game, you know, leading Australia sort of stay
at touching distance right the way through that I think
they'll be wanting to look at. But overall, I think
(12:41):
collectively we've seen every aspect of the All Blacks performing
well at some point this season. I guess now we
just wait for a time where we see that all
put together in one performance, which isn't quite there yet.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, look one hundred percent and they will totally agree
with you on that too. As they look to a
pretty tough end of year tour which includes test matches
and consecutive weeks against England, Island and France, what do
you think they will do around first five? Not not
necessarily what you would do if you were in charge, Well,
what do you think they will do at first five?
For that first they've got Japan, let's forget that for
(13:14):
a moment. England is the big first test of this tour.
What do you think they'll do it first five? In
that test?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
I think the momentum is swinging towards vote and Barrett,
I think you know what we saw from the All
Blacks on the whole while he was on the field
at running the cutter at ten before the few changes
to that back line that I thought, you know, they
were pretty dominant. They were threatening for the Wallabies and
certain moments of the game. So I actually think, you know,
maybe using him as the ten, keep Will Jordan at
full back, because again Will Jordan for many a real
(13:41):
highlight of what he offered from the back there. I
don't think we can go without talking about his presence.
So and then having vote in Barrett at ten, will
Jordan at fifteen. Surely I think they would look at
that and say, is that our best, you know, back
line with those two in those two positions, And I
think you can't really go past that. So I think
Damien McKenzie didn't do too badly when he came on
to make a bit of an impact at the end.
So is that the way going forward? I'd say from
(14:04):
Saturday night that surely that would have to be one
of their main options there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, I would agree, and I know I asked you
what you think they'll do? That's what I would do
if I was in charge, I'd be boting at ten
well Jordan at fifteen. I think that's his jersey to
lose now. And Damien McKenzie can bring his mercurial talent,
says Scott Robertson described them off the bench and he
set that last try up for Caleb clarkeave him the
last pass, put it on his chest and then he
went for that try. So we wait and see what
(14:28):
happens there. Not quite as positive over the weekend for
the black Caps. While we were I was at the
game on Saturday. Did the ZB show there in the
afternoon and sort of had the cricket on off to
one side as we waited for the rugby to start.
And I thought I was watching the highlights all out
eighty eight when the other teams got six hundred and
two for five, declared there was not a lot to
(14:49):
like about this Test match.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
And as soon as that happened on Saturday, then returning,
you know, with five wickets in hands last night was
never going to last very long, was it, And it
was always going to be a pretty heavy defeat. And
that's what it was. Innings and one hundred and fifty
four runs. And yes, you know we've heard the comments
post match from Tim Soury saying they are impressed with
their fights in the second innings. Yes, it was nice
to see Devin Conway get some runs on the board.
(15:11):
Tom Blundell, who both two players that had been you know,
in a bit of a form slump. I think it's
fair to say nice for them, I guess, without the
pressure of knowing that they would a genuine chance to
win the Test, to actually you know, build an innings
with little writing on it and just get a score
next to their name if nothing else. But also seeing
you know Glenn Phillips, Mitchell Santona deliver some runs really important,
(15:32):
something we certainly didn't see in their first innings of
eighty eight and something that we haven't really seen from
them in these last few tests. But overall, four Test
losses in a row, which stems back to the Australian
two tests here on the home summer a Sri Lankan
a team which isn't necessarily by world standards very competitive.
I don't think they would go too far in giving
(15:54):
the likes of Australia or England or India a run
for their money. So pretty grim reading when you look
at it as a whole and as a Test series.
Two nil in Gaul to Sri Lanka from both these tests,
so you'd just like to see a little bit more fight. Obviously,
bowling as a real concern. Wicket taking has been a problem,
especially for spinners, and the spin friendly conditions left less
(16:15):
than half of the wickets where we're taken by spinners
and Sri Lunka, so it's going to get tough. Three
Tests in India coming up. It's not going to be fun.
I don't think if they carry on like this, I.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Think you're right, Yeah, that might be a tough watch
as well. Over in India. First Test starts on October sixteen,
just before you go first tiny Jamison Trophy Test. Last
night saw Funs against England fifty nine to fifty eight
to England. The series shifts to a neck of the woods.
They played the second Test and Pottydoer on Wednesday night.
I get the feeling that these two teams are pretty
close and on any given day either can beat the other.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
And I think England have really come in with some
a good little spell of games behind them. They had
three tight tests against Australia, they won one of them
and went down to one of the series, so they've
brought some fight and silver fans. Hard to think, but
this is actually Dan Nolan Tolda's first Test since being
reappointed to the role. I believe so a few questions
and I don't think seeing some of the new players
come out on court through the sort of third and
(17:07):
fourth quarters didn't necessary disappoint themselves. So I think we
saw a couple of wayward passes from from clear O
Brian daybooing that that might have cost them just ever
so slightly, and just those key moments winning games. But
the Silver Fans and England stayed at each other for
that whole game and it was just by an intercept
and a chance right at the end of that saw
England leap away. So I think we've got an exciting
couple of games ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Indeed, yeah, the hope that they can turn the tables
on Wednesday night and Potty do it. The Silver Fern
stands and set up a series to side and then
the cargo on Sunday evening. Great to Chatty in the chamber, Coops,
thanks for stopping in.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Thanks Fardy.
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News Talks d BE Hello there and welcome into the
sports Flex podcast. The start of a new week, the
end of an old month, and with daylight saving now
kicking into gear, the nights are going to get longer.
So what's on the Sportspex podcast today? We'll speaking of summer.
The black Caps are in Schwlancher at the moment, playing
our most popular summer sport of cricket, but not playing
(00:41):
it very well, you have to say to losses and
the two Test matches. The second Test performance in particular
was something that was well below what we expect from
our black Caps. Dylan Cleaver going to pop in for
a chat about the black Caps and where to from here,
what changes are needed if we are to improve for
the upcoming series against India. Adam Cooper is in the
(01:01):
chamber to kick around the big sporting issues of the day,
including the All Blacks. I've got some thoughts on TJ.
Pettinata and Sam Kaine. They be on the plane for
the end of year tour and well we'll look at
the big sports stories of the day too, so let's
get into it. In other news, let's start by checking
out some of the big sports stories floating around at
the start of this new week. England have clinched the
(01:23):
Tiny Jamison Trophy. Nippuls series opener are thrilling. Fifty nine
to fifty eight went over the Silver Ferns in Auckland
last night. As New Zealand coach Dan Noline Todoua.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Probably understanding that they're pretty battle hardened coming from Ossie,
but you know, these are the games that we really
want to start to secure because I think we're capable
of doing it and had their potential to take the win.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Non playing captain Jim Furiic is singing the praises of
the American players after yet another triumph over the internationals
in Golf's President's Cup.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
An easy bunch. I had great leadership at the top.
They made the captain show really easy, and these guys
played their hearts out this week and they really really
played well in the back nine. We talked about being
a dog all week, being a tougher team those back
nine holes. Have you looked at how many holes won
and last feel like we were kind of own the
back nine this week and that was the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And the tenuous future of Manchester United football manager Eric
ten Hag is in jeopardy further jeopardy after a three
mile Premier League lost to Tottenham.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Third Premier League to beat of the season already for
matt Chessey United, Eric jan Hag two wins from the
opening six league games of the season. He's of a big,
big concern for mat Chester United supporters.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Use an amnion it's sports fix with Jason Hine.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So the Rugby Championship has done and dusted. The All
Blacks now turn their attention to the end of year tour,
with test matches against Japan, England, Ireland, France and Italy
to round out Scott Robertson's busy first year in charge.
The thirty six man touring party is going to be
named a week from today, with the major questions around
two of the sides, veterans TJ. Pettinada and freshly crowned
(02:56):
centurion Sam Kine. Should we move on from them or
give them one last hurrah? We know neither are going
to be here in twenty twenty five as they leave
to take up contracts in Japan, but both having they
are available if selected now we all know that we
need to find the balance between results now and building
for the future. So the best way to approach this
(03:17):
really is to take that rationale away and ask this
very simple question. Do those two right now justify their
place in a thirty six man squad? Is TJ Peinada
one of the best three half backs right now? The
answer is yes, he Camroy guard and Cortes with Latima
should go. Noah Hotham has had one Test off the
(03:38):
bench this year. He'll play many more from next year onwards.
TJ has played seven of the eight Tests this year,
five of those from the start. He is indeed one
of our best three half backs. Is Sam Kine one
of our best loose forwards? Again, the answer is yes.
He started at number seven in the last four Test
matches and contributed in as committed a fashion, particularly on defense,
(04:00):
as he always has. And unlike halfback, where there's a
log jam of young talent, there's no obvious heir apparent
for the open side flame his role. There's clearly a
decision to be made around who the contenders are to
wear that Jersey next year and on towards the next
World Cup. But that can wait. That next World Cup
is still three years away. For they're here and now,
(04:22):
Sam Kine and TJ. Pettinada are well worthy of their places.
I'd be taking them both.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsvex with Jason Vine.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This is the Sports Fix podcast. The black Caps have
suffered a fourth consecutive Test loss after an innings and
one hundred and fifty four run defect to Sri Lanka
in the second Test and gall match scores Sri Lanka
six hundred and two for five declared New Zealand eighty
eight and three hundred and sixty. Let's bring a multi
award winning journalist, member of the BYC podcast and producer
of the excellent subscriber newsletter The Bounce, Dylan Cleaver. Dylan,
(04:58):
I thought New Zealand fought quite hard and played reasonably
well for significant parts of the first Test, but apart
from a bit of middle order backbone in the second innings,
the second Test was pretty devoid of positives for New Zealand.
For me, can you come up with any positives?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I can come up with one and that's not even
a positive. Really, it's a negative that I'm going to
try and turn into a positive, and that would be
to say they lost the toss on both tests. And
it's difficult enough being, for want of a better term,
being an Anglo team and going and playing the continent.
It's tough these days. It's even tougher when you lose
both tosses. That is the sole excuse. That's out of
(05:37):
the way now the rest of it, And that second
Test was horrible and that surprised me to an extent
because they actually played better in that first Test than
I thought they would, particularly having lost that Test against
Afghanistan that was meant to be played in India. Having
lost that, I thought that was really going to put
(05:58):
them on the back foot. They played pretty well in
gaul in the first Test, missed a couple of opportunities
to even sneak a win there. But that second Test
was futrid.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
What happened, Dylan? What happened to the black Caps between
the first Test, which I agree they had large parts
of really impressive stuff in and the second Test which, really,
as you say, I think putrid's a pretty good word.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Yeah, I was really disappointed they made no changes. I
thought that there were a capital players short of form,
noticeably short of form in Gaul in the first test,
and I thought maybe spicing things up knowing that, I
think you've got to treat these series in isolation, and
this was a chance to get to one all in
(06:43):
the series. But instead, to me, it looks like they're
always thinking ahead, They're always thinking big picture. They know
they've got to go to India and play three tests,
so they felt that it was more fantageous for looking
head to that to play the same eleven. But I
just I don't get that thinking. My great fear is
this team has become a no accountability team. Now there's
(07:05):
no penalty. Players are allowed to fail, fail, bail knowing
that there's going to be no you know, they're not
going to be dropped. And I think that I think
that's mistaken. And and I wrote this yesterday, so apologies
for repeating myself, but I think that's mistaken. Loyalty and
inactivity for strategy.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it was one of my favorite lines in your newsletter,
and you carried on, which begs the question if you're
not coaching and there's no sign of that and you're
not selecting. What are you actually doing except wearing team
issue gear and putting out cones. Do we need a
change of coach.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yeah, it's not the New Zealand way though, And I
think Gary's dead, to be fair to him, had built
up enough credit. There's a guy that's taken New Zealand
into the powenty ends of white ball tournaments. There's a
guy that's taken New Zealand to the World Pest Championship.
I think he had enough credit in the bank to
get a contract extension. Having said that things will awfully stale,
(08:08):
the entire New Zealand cricket scene just seems a bit
stale and moribund at the moment, and I think that's
you know, there's partly to do with the high performance
setup and the fact that there's no real motivation for
the domestic cricketers. They don't feel like there's a way
into the Black Caps unless someone retires. Because it's so
set in stone. I think something needs to change, whether
(08:32):
it's attitudeinal, whether it's strategic, whether it's more than the
finer practical details. It feels awfully style at the moment,
and I think it's even reflected in the field. New
Zealand used to be one of the best building units
in the world. I think you might put them up
there with Australia South Africa. There's no one better. Now
(08:55):
I have to look at that team play and think
they are and this sounds like hyperboly but it's actually not.
When you look at the drop Catchers, I think they're
one of the sloppiest building teams in the world and
that cannot be with New Zealand teams.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So to get out of this thug that we're in
at the moment, is it necessary to change personnel, to
have widespread changes of personnel or do you believe that
the players who are currently there can undergo a change
of attitude and get themselves back to where they need
to be.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I don't think New Zealan can ever do widespread changes
and personnel because there's just not the talent pool there.
But I do think there needs to be more accountability.
I don't think you can have it. And it sounds
like I'm going to pick on a couple of players here,
and certainly they are good players. They are there for
a reason, but I don't think you can have your
Henry Nichols failing for nineteen tests andings in a row
(09:50):
before they do something about it. You're Devin Conway's failing
to fifteen tests and things in a row before I
do something about it. Even your captain Tim Sauby, who
is now I think bold sixteen innings without taking a
three wicket bags and these are long stretches. We are
essentially playing people in an eleven man game who are
(10:14):
not contributing. I think there needs to be more sharp
eyed selection, whether that means widening your pull that you're
picked from. There will be counter arguments to this are
a fixed team harmony and continuity, but I think we've
done that for a long time now in New Zealanders
(10:34):
at the Daley end of that whole extreme loyalty thing,
and something needs to be shaken up a little.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Thanks Dylan. That's Dyllan Cleaver BYC podcast award winning journalist
and producer of the subscriber newsletter The Bounce. Interesting times
ahead and decisions to be made for the Black Apps.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
On the Sports Flex podcast Time to Hop Inside the Chamber,
joined today by Adam cooperhead of our ZB Sports Bureau,
in Wellington. Great weekend in the capital coups. There seem
to be a real buzz around the place and could
of course by the All Blacks Wallabies Test match on
Saturday night. Reflecting back, what stands out most for you
about the game on Sunday, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Thanks Pine, Yeah, it was great weekend in Wellington. I think,
you know, with any questions around what the All Blacks
bring to an excitement level of people around town were
well and truly answered on Saturday. Yes, we didn't quite
sell out the Test against Argentina a month or two ago,
but this one, I think the city was you know,
almost you know at a stop just to watch this
All Blacks game. Sold out crowd, amazing atmosphere there and
(11:37):
people I think genuinely wanting to see the All Blacks
do well. So for me, just that you know, the
energy around the stadium with people I guess sharing on
the All Blacks wanting a decent contest and I think
they got a pretty good game with some decent tries.
On the weekend. I think for me seeing Wallace Atiti,
you know, with my own eyes live at the ground
and just what he continues to offer with the power,
(11:59):
you know, helping the All Blacks with some of those
quick sort of moves and meet his gain on the field,
but also defensively, a really impressive showing once again from
him who's kind of just sort of I've almost come
from stage left this year, hasn't he, and really performed
at a position that he's quite often been unfamiliar with. But
I think naturally that the biggest positive for the All
Blacks has been that breaking that hoodo for the final
(12:19):
twenty minutes, and what a try it was with Caleb Clark,
you know, pretty much getting handed the ball and racing
one hundred meters sprint effectively to the finish line as
sprint speed. So yeah, ready pleased that the All Blacks
can finish on that slightly more positive note. Still, aspects
of the game, you know, leading Australia sort of stay
at touching distance right the way through that I think
they'll be wanting to look at. But overall, I think
(12:41):
collectively we've seen every aspect of the All Blacks performing
well at some point this season. I guess now we
just wait for a time where we see that all
put together in one performance, which isn't quite there yet.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, look one hundred percent and they will totally agree
with you on that too. As they look to a
pretty tough end of year tour which includes test matches
and consecutive weeks against England, Island and France, what do
you think they will do around first five? Not not
necessarily what you would do if you were in charge, Well,
what do you think they will do at first five?
For that first they've got Japan, let's forget that for
(13:14):
a moment. England is the big first test of this tour.
What do you think they'll do it first five? In
that test?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
I think the momentum is swinging towards vote and Barrett,
I think you know what we saw from the All
Blacks on the whole while he was on the field
at running the cutter at ten before the few changes
to that back line that I thought, you know, they
were pretty dominant. They were threatening for the Wallabies and
certain moments of the game. So I actually think, you know,
maybe using him as the ten, keep Will Jordan at
full back, because again Will Jordan for many a real
(13:41):
highlight of what he offered from the back there. I
don't think we can go without talking about his presence.
So and then having vote in Barrett at ten, will
Jordan at fifteen. Surely I think they would look at
that and say, is that our best, you know, back
line with those two in those two positions, And I
think you can't really go past that. So I think
Damien McKenzie didn't do too badly when he came on
to make a bit of an impact at the end.
So is that the way going forward? I'd say from
(14:04):
Saturday night that surely that would have to be one
of their main options there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, I would agree, and I know I asked you
what you think they'll do? That's what I would do
if I was in charge, I'd be boting at ten
well Jordan at fifteen. I think that's his jersey to
lose now. And Damien McKenzie can bring his mercurial talent,
says Scott Robertson described them off the bench and he
set that last try up for Caleb clarkeave him the
last pass, put it on his chest and then he
went for that try. So we wait and see what
(14:28):
happens there. Not quite as positive over the weekend for
the black Caps. While we were I was at the
game on Saturday. Did the ZB show there in the
afternoon and sort of had the cricket on off to
one side as we waited for the rugby to start.
And I thought I was watching the highlights all out
eighty eight when the other teams got six hundred and
two for five, declared there was not a lot to
(14:49):
like about this Test match.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
And as soon as that happened on Saturday, then returning,
you know, with five wickets in hands last night was
never going to last very long, was it, And it
was always going to be a pretty heavy defeat. And
that's what it was. Innings and one hundred and fifty
four runs. And yes, you know we've heard the comments
post match from Tim Soury saying they are impressed with
their fights in the second innings. Yes, it was nice
to see Devin Conway get some runs on the board.
(15:11):
Tom Blundell, who both two players that had been you know,
in a bit of a form slump. I think it's
fair to say nice for them, I guess, without the
pressure of knowing that they would a genuine chance to
win the Test, to actually you know, build an innings
with little writing on it and just get a score
next to their name if nothing else. But also seeing
you know Glenn Phillips, Mitchell Santona deliver some runs really important,
(15:32):
something we certainly didn't see in their first innings of
eighty eight and something that we haven't really seen from
them in these last few tests. But overall, four Test
losses in a row, which stems back to the Australian
two tests here on the home summer a Sri Lankan
a team which isn't necessarily by world standards very competitive.
I don't think they would go too far in giving
(15:54):
the likes of Australia or England or India a run
for their money. So pretty grim reading when you look
at it as a whole and as a Test series.
Two nil in Gaul to Sri Lanka from both these tests,
so you'd just like to see a little bit more fight. Obviously,
bowling as a real concern. Wicket taking has been a problem,
especially for spinners, and the spin friendly conditions left less
(16:15):
than half of the wickets where we're taken by spinners
and Sri Lunka, so it's going to get tough. Three
Tests in India coming up. It's not going to be fun.
I don't think if they carry on like this, I.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Think you're right, Yeah, that might be a tough watch
as well. Over in India. First Test starts on October sixteen,
just before you go first tiny Jamison Trophy Test. Last
night saw Funs against England fifty nine to fifty eight
to England. The series shifts to a neck of the woods.
They played the second Test and Pottydoer on Wednesday night.
I get the feeling that these two teams are pretty
close and on any given day either can beat the other.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
And I think England have really come in with some
a good little spell of games behind them. They had
three tight tests against Australia, they won one of them
and went down to one of the series, so they've
brought some fight and silver fans. Hard to think, but
this is actually Dan Nolan Tolda's first Test since being
reappointed to the role. I believe so a few questions
and I don't think seeing some of the new players
come out on court through the sort of third and
(17:07):
fourth quarters didn't necessary disappoint themselves. So I think we
saw a couple of wayward passes from from clear O
Brian daybooing that that might have cost them just ever
so slightly, and just those key moments winning games. But
the Silver Fans and England stayed at each other for
that whole game and it was just by an intercept
and a chance right at the end of that saw
England leap away. So I think we've got an exciting
couple of games ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Indeed, yeah, the hope that they can turn the tables
on Wednesday night and Potty do it. The Silver Fern
stands and set up a series to side and then
the cargo on Sunday evening. Great to Chatty in the chamber, Coops,
thanks for stopping in.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Thanks Fardy.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
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