October 8, 2024 • 18 mins
On Sports Fix with Nick Bewley for 8 October 2024, we review the All Blacks XV named for the end of year Northern Tour.
All Blacks XV head coach Clayton McMillan joins Nick to confirm the team named to travel to Northern Hemisphere to take on Munster and Georgia for the 2024 Northern Tour.
Nick then reviews the team with Newstalk ZB Sport News Director Clay Wilson . The pair also discuss the 2024 Kiwis team that was also named today, and ponder if we should hold any hope of the White Ferns going for back-to-back wins at the T20 World Cup.
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Speaker 4 (00:21):
Welcome into the Sports First podcast. Nick Bewley here in
for Darcy water Grave this week keeping you up to
date with everything happening sport to both locally and internationally.
Today is Tuesday, October eighth, twenty twenty four. Coming up
shortly on the pot, I'll be joined by Clayton McMillan,
the chiefs coach.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Is at the helm of the.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
All Blacks fifteen development side, also hitting north for matches
against Munster and Georgia and included in it this time
around Super Rugby player of the Year in Blues loose
Ford Hoskins Setutu.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
But has he been taken along.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
For a bit of a ride or is he genuinely
close to an All Blacks recall.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
We'll put those thoughts to Clayton McMillan.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I've got some thoughts too on the upcoming Pacific Championship
Rugby League series. Is enough being done by the nrral's
power brokers to support the international game and the chamber
Kriichie it's hot in there. Clay Willson will stop by
for a chat. Let's go in other news. Let's begin,
as always with a ramp of what's making headlines today.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
A recall to the national setup.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
For Hoskins Satsuns, who he's been named in that All
Blacks fifteen squad to take on Munster and Georgia. The
Blues number eight, of course, messed out on Scott Robinson's
All Black squad for the Reggie Championship and the Northern
Tour despite a standout Super Rugby campaign. The All Blacks
fifteen coach Clayton McMillan is pleased Stutu gets a lifeline.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
It's fantastic that he gives his opportunity. It was breaking
forth in Super mp and I've been impressed with there
he's been going over the last month or so Worth Counties.
We'veled to peak at the right time of the season.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Veteran Santa Peter Herku will fly from England to join
eight debutants in the Kiwi's twenty one man league squad
for their Pacific Championships campaign against the Kangaroos and Tonga.
The thirty one year old former Warriors in his first
season with the whole Kingston.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Rovers in the Super League.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Full back come center Charles Nickel Cook Star is confident
in the lineup.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
They've got the team that's been put together, I'm sure
is going to be a team that's really going to
relish the opportunity to be in this key space and
the culture that's been built over.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
The last few years.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And you want to continue making.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Progress Lydia, you can say Kia to another key we
goal for on the LPGA Tour next season. Twenty year
old Fiona Shoe has earned a maiden card after finishing
eighth on the EPSOM Tour.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Shoe says Litz is a idol.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
She's inspired me a lot.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
She was my role model growing up.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Just playing on the same tour as her.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
It's really a drinking true.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
And a Taco Tuesday flop after the break is massive.
PRS Flash former NBA Giant Taco four will play a
grand total of zero minutes for the Breaker is due
to an undisclosed injury. It's ruled him out of this
three game American Tour and that's all he's signed for.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
But hey, it's all good. Owner Matt Walsh says it's
been worth it.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
Everyone knows how good a player Taco is. The thing
that's stuck with me is he's even a better person.
Like everywhere you go people want photos and help. You
know who he's willing to like miss a Flate to
take photos with fans leading a vix.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports Vix now by
News Talks Ivy Well.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I for one, have got a sore neck from nodding
away reading the HEROLD this morning. Go check it out
if you haven't already online the piece by Michael Burgess
on international rugby league. In it, Burge rightly questions the
NRL powerbroker's treatment of the international game, claiming Test football
seems more marginalized than ever. For context, the Pacific Championships
(03:47):
will start next week, about a fortnight on from the
NRL Grand Final and after a grueling twenty seven round
regular season plus the finals. To the surprise of no one,
a cast of the game's biggest stars won't feature for
the kiwis alone. The unavailable list includes Dylan Brown, Brandon Smith,
Brittan Nikota, Moses Leota, Jeremy Marshall, King and Ronaldo Mulitalo.
(04:11):
This is the only Test series in the calendar year,
and we're bereft of its best players. The game has
never been faster and had more physical collisions. The ball
and play statistics are absolutely off the charts. You can't
blame the players for needing a break or some tidy
up surgery before they go around again in clubland. The NRL, meanwhile,
(04:33):
I'm more than happy to extend the season with this
cash grab in Las Vegas, on top of rule interpretations
like the six again that make the game as demanding
as it's ever been. This is all the while the
NRL desperate to match its biggest competitor, the AFL wants
more teams.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I'm encouraged, though more.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Teams might not actually mean more games with a reduced
season and conferences. But at the same time other broadcast
is going to buy that. And back to the original point,
where is test football fiting down the line?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
It's time to get the balance right.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
This is sport fair.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, your daily does of sports news, howard By News
talks be.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Well. Look in many ways, there was more intrigues surrounding
this All Blacks fifteen squad that is also heading north
at the same time as the All Blacks for matches
against Munster and Georgia. Twenty nine players picked in all
ten with full All Blacks Test experience. It has been
selected in collaboration with the All Blacks coaches that have
of course going north for five Tests, and new All
(05:35):
Blacks fifteen coach Claydon McMillan, who joins us. Now I
appreciate your time, Claydon.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
No problem.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Hey, Look, there's several talking points I'm keen to discuss,
but if we can start with with Hoskins Stitut, who's
got a lot of supporters after a couple of big
seasons in Super rugby for the Blues, didn't make this
team last year, didn't make the All Blacks this year.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So in those talks with Razor and his team, why
have you picked him this time?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Rap? I think the easiest way to explain is it
is just that there's a hell of a lot of
experience and talented loose forwards running around in the country,
and you know, to get into that All Black mixes
no easy task and has been in selecting this side,
it wasn't easy either, so there is a bit of
congestion there. But I can't speak for why Hoskins wasn't
(06:21):
selected in the previous teams, only around his selection in
this team, and it's been off the back of obviously
a great Super Rugby season with the Blues and then
you know, continue on that Formwouth Counties, particularly over the
last month or so, where Candies have really sort of
turned the dial around and made the top eight for
the first time in the copy his form, his recent
(06:44):
form has been really good and delighted that he's going
to be part of our squad.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
A lot was made Clayton at the time around the
first All Black squad around Hoskins's work off the ball
and we know what he can do with the balls,
scores tries for fun, and the All Blacks ultimately went
with Wallace, a titia player you know very well through
the Chiefs, through your observations, I'm sure you would have
looked at a lot of NPC footage. Have you seen
improvements in hoskins game off the ball? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Look, I think he's an integral part of the County
squad and he's starting to back up some really big
minutes and I know that that squad hasn't got an
abundance of Super Rugby contracted members in the County squad,
the largely selected local players, And I think the real
pleasing thing around Hoskins is that he's just and he's
(07:31):
bought all of that experience into that environment, and it's
great to see them learning and thriving, playing along alongside
players like him, and in an environment where you know
they're coaching staff by Rion Graham are doing a great
job of bringing the best out of them.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So this may seem like an obvious question, but by
virtue of being picked in this All Blacks fifteen team,
is Hoskins virtually effectively next in line for the All Blacks?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Ah, you left to ask that question, but I know
that this team has been selected on the basis sets.
You know we're going to be in the same neck
of the woods as the All Blacks, and there's the
possibility of some crossover of players both ways, and I'd
imagine that anybody who has been named in the AB
fifteen today is one of those players that could keep
(08:23):
the call up different quiet, We'll leave.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
That there for now.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
As I say, there's a lot of exciting prospects in
the squad. You mentioned the depths that loose forward outside
backs as well. You've gone with Kinning the hollow among
the Nadawah, shay Fee Hockey and Sean Stevenson. Plenty of
depths there on top of obviously the guys who are
going away with the All Blacks. You must be dead
keen to get your hands on some of these guys.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Yeah, look, there's some really exciting talent and there's a
bloody hard squad to select, not just in the outside backs,
but then the entirety. There's it's not until you sort
of start going through the process of, you know, selecting
a twenty nine men squad with the All Blacks, that
you realize we've got we're best with some really good
rugby players in this country and there's a lot of
(09:05):
people that could consider themselves unfortunate not to be selected.
But you know, I can only takes, so we couldn't
take everybody. So you know, those that have been selected,
we celebrate them and we commiserate the others and we
move forward.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Talk us through the games against Munster and Georgia, and
of course it's been well indicated there might be some
overlap as well between guys who aren't picked for the
All Blacks end of view tour tests. Are you and
your coaching group very much left to your own devices,
or is there a fair bit of direction around who
plays where, how many minutes they play, game style that
(09:41):
sort of thing.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
No, no, no, no, there's been a collaboration obviously in
selecting the squad, which which we've been really appreciative of.
But you know, in terms of putting our program together
and how we choose to play as entirely up to
our coaching group, we see value in, you know, having
(10:03):
some cross pollination of some of the stuff that the
orbs use and and that will be helpful for players
that either get called up to the All Blacks or
potentially even if some All Blacks come back the other
way that in terms of digesting content, that similar language,
for example, could be used, and that will help accelerate
(10:23):
everybody's learning and hopefully help with on field performance.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I've just got a text here, Clayton. Please ask Claydon
McMillan about Josh Jacob. He's a player you know very
well through the Chiefs. How much growth have you seen
in Josh's game over the last twelve months, even both
in the Chiefs environment and Taranuki.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah, Look, Josh's some fantastic prospectee probably first race as
he had last year through NBC and then got an
opportunity in the Chiefs environment and there's a big learning
curve I think for Josh, as it is for all players,
particularly those that are in that game driver role. He
didn't get a lot of opportunity, but he's certainly soaked
(11:02):
up a lot of information. It's been great that he
was able to take all that and go back to
Taranucky and you know, we've got a close relationship with
their coaching group in particular Barnsey who you know was
a big part of our coaching group for a long
period and end up I they really he's really taken
that learnings in their environment a really well performed team
(11:24):
and coaching the environment he's he's certainly grown another leg.
And you know there were there was certainly a lot
of support for more coaches that were involved in the
selection process around Josh being involved. So it's good reward
for all of the improvement that he's made.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Hey, and just lastly, Clayton, I understand there are some
you are considering that the Buddings NBC Finals around your
travel commitments as well, So that's all sort of these
players will be available for the final logistically before they
hit away.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
That's that's the intent. I can't speak for what the
All Blecks are doing. The All Blecks will be heading
away early, and there's been some chat around some additional
players going up there to help them and in the
Japan series. But I know that there's a really strong
type to keep players playing NBC where that's possible, So
(12:17):
we have to see how that unfolds.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And to the Chamber we go, but roomier over the
side in the host chair for Darcy water Grave, Nick Bewley,
Clay Willson Newstalks. He'd be Sports News director alongside could
A Clay coud I. Nick, good to have you along.
All Blacks fifteen squad named this afternoon, and this time around,
as opposed to last year, Hoskins Stu does feature.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I am surprised.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
All the talk here this morning was that we weren't
expecting him, expecting to see him in the squad because
there's been so much kind of drama surrounding Hoskins Stituto
in his non selection since he sort of burst onto
the scene with the All Blacks and hasn't been packed
and you know he wouldn't be selected and then of
course eligible for England and Fiji, and that he was
(13:06):
gonna you know, head off else.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
There's been social media.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Posts from himself kid in the past and a kidda
Yoanni as well we've seen. So really the whole speculation
here was that he wasn't going to be named, but
he has been, so he's clearly still in the selector's minds.
And I mean in terms of deserving it, you can't
say he doesn't deserve it. I mean you could argue
he potentially deserves a spot in the in the main
(13:30):
All Black squad based on his form from Super Rugby
this year. So that was the big thing really to
stand out from this All Blacks fifteen squad, wasn't it?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Certainly agree twenty nine names.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Was there any other surprises for you or surprise emissions?
I mean for me personally, I still feel like our
depths and around the front row prop and hookers is
a little bit light, but there's certainly a lot of
talent there in the in the loose forwards, in the
outside backs in particular.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Yeah, I mean ten capt All Blacks named in this team.
But you speak about the front row and one name
which really jumped out well for its for its lack
of appearing was Ricky Riccotelli and you know, to surprise,
still only twenty nine years old, Rocky Ricertelly has been
a stalwart of kind of the NPC and Super rugby
scene for a long time now, never really cracked it
(14:16):
at that next level, but.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Was absolutely superb for the Blues this year.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
You could argue the form hooker of the competition and
doesn't appear on here. But in terms of the props,
I mean George Bauer is there who's had a bit
of a run with the All Blacks, But yeah, perhaps
not as quite as much depth there, but certainly some
great names you'd look in the backs Sewan Stevens in
the Morning, Nadawa, Quincy Pier and then players that have
had to run recently, likes of Harry Plummer and the
(14:42):
two half backs Noah Hotham and Finn Christie. So certainly
some great names and there, I guess that's what this
All Blacks fifteen squad's going to be is, and it's
going to be a mix of players who have had
a crack or coming back for a crack from the
All Blacks and some of those emerging players. But does,
like you say, show out where there's potentially some areas
not quite as much depth as you'd want.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Speaking of depth and speaking of a mission's poor old
Stacy Jones. He names a Kiwi squad right at the
back end of a grueling NRL season, Brown No Kieren
four and Moses Leota, Joey marn who's of course gone
to Japanese rugby, Jeremy Marshall, King, Ronaldo Malatalo, Britain Nicker.
I've probably missed someone Brandon Smith, Big Nelson, a Sopha,
Solomwoners of course suspended, who have got eight debut ons,
(15:22):
Clay and Peter Herku plucked out a Super league. What
chance do you give the Kiwis a going back to
back here because more old Stacey's up against it.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
What's Peter Hecker on your bingo card for the squad?
I don't eventually would have been on many people's. I mean,
of course it was had time here at the Warriors
and has featured for the Kiwis. But to see a
name like that I think speaks volumes to who's not around,
who's injured, not available, who's like you say, I've gone
off to rugby union, like especially in the Harms. I mean,
(15:51):
Jerome Hughes is superb this year. About outside of that,
I mean, who are they going to put in there?
I'd love to get I mean, you're you're the you're
the league here, I'd love to get your thoughts on
on who they're going to slot into what is such
a key position alongside a great player like Jerome Hughes,
because just so many names missing in this squad.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, I think the sensible ones probably Cody nic Arema,
but then his versatility and value. You don't have Brandon
Smith or Jeremy Marshall King at hooker as well. Phoenix
Crosslin for the Newcastle Knights. He's one of the eight
uncapped players. He can play a bit of six, a
bit of nine. And then this young fella Trent Polal
that we don't know a whole lot about. Hasn't played
too much but has been part of that Penrith Panthers
system and playing a lot of good reserve grade in
(16:29):
the Havelves too. So I think those of your three
in LEAs Stacey goes to hell with all that. Let's
get chance Nickel Crook star in there and try something
very strange. Indeed, just lastly Clay ICC Women's T twenty
World Cup overnight three am New Zealand time.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
The White fans crushing when first starts.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So they're coming not after ten straight and internationals against
India but now a big, bad old Australia jeeps creeper
is what chance do you give the White fans? Can
they produce another upset? And if so, what do they
need to do well to at least give themselves a chance?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Well, I mean what kind of chance do I give them?
I didn't give them much hope at all heading into
the India game, and that was purely just based on
form in India are really the pre tournament favourites, so
you'd have to say they've got a chance against Australia.
But that the hard thing is when you haven't been
in formed and you get a win, is then backing
that up again against another very very good team. And
you know the likes of Sophie Devine standing out, Susie
(17:22):
Bates performed well and Amelia Occur with the ball. I
mean those three names are so key for this White
fan's team, and then getting some other contributions around that.
I don't think they have to win this game necessarily
in the grand scheme of the tournament, so perhaps it's
one you might.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Say, while if they lose it not a big deal.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
You can win your last two pool games and still
sneak into those semi finals.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
But T twenty cricket, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
It's always a bit of a lottery in the in
the shortest, shortest format, So who knows what we're going
to we're gonna get overnight.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
It will certainly be intriguing. Hey, thanks so much for
your time in the chamber, Clay, No way's too easy.
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Welcome into the Sports First podcast. Nick Bewley here in
for Darcy water Grave this week keeping you up to
date with everything happening sport to both locally and internationally.
Today is Tuesday, October eighth, twenty twenty four. Coming up
shortly on the pot, I'll be joined by Clayton McMillan,
the chiefs coach.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Is at the helm of the.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
All Blacks fifteen development side, also hitting north for matches
against Munster and Georgia and included in it this time
around Super Rugby player of the Year in Blues loose
Ford Hoskins Setutu.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
But has he been taken along.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
For a bit of a ride or is he genuinely
close to an All Blacks recall.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
We'll put those thoughts to Clayton McMillan.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I've got some thoughts too on the upcoming Pacific Championship
Rugby League series. Is enough being done by the nrral's
power brokers to support the international game and the chamber
Kriichie it's hot in there. Clay Willson will stop by
for a chat. Let's go in other news. Let's begin,
as always with a ramp of what's making headlines today.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
A recall to the national setup.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
For Hoskins Satsuns, who he's been named in that All
Blacks fifteen squad to take on Munster and Georgia. The
Blues number eight, of course, messed out on Scott Robinson's
All Black squad for the Reggie Championship and the Northern
Tour despite a standout Super Rugby campaign. The All Blacks
fifteen coach Clayton McMillan is pleased Stutu gets a lifeline.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
It's fantastic that he gives his opportunity. It was breaking
forth in Super mp and I've been impressed with there
he's been going over the last month or so Worth Counties.
We'veled to peak at the right time of the season.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Veteran Santa Peter Herku will fly from England to join
eight debutants in the Kiwi's twenty one man league squad
for their Pacific Championships campaign against the Kangaroos and Tonga.
The thirty one year old former Warriors in his first
season with the whole Kingston.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Rovers in the Super League.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Full back come center Charles Nickel Cook Star is confident
in the lineup.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
They've got the team that's been put together, I'm sure
is going to be a team that's really going to
relish the opportunity to be in this key space and
the culture that's been built over.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
The last few years.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And you want to continue making.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Progress Lydia, you can say Kia to another key we
goal for on the LPGA Tour next season. Twenty year
old Fiona Shoe has earned a maiden card after finishing
eighth on the EPSOM Tour.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Shoe says Litz is a idol.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
She's inspired me a lot.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
She was my role model growing up.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Just playing on the same tour as her.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
It's really a drinking true.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
And a Taco Tuesday flop after the break is massive.
PRS Flash former NBA Giant Taco four will play a
grand total of zero minutes for the Breaker is due
to an undisclosed injury. It's ruled him out of this
three game American Tour and that's all he's signed for.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
But hey, it's all good. Owner Matt Walsh says it's
been worth it.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
Everyone knows how good a player Taco is. The thing
that's stuck with me is he's even a better person.
Like everywhere you go people want photos and help. You
know who he's willing to like miss a Flate to
take photos with fans leading a vix.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports Vix now by
News Talks Ivy Well.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I for one, have got a sore neck from nodding
away reading the HEROLD this morning. Go check it out
if you haven't already online the piece by Michael Burgess
on international rugby league. In it, Burge rightly questions the
NRL powerbroker's treatment of the international game, claiming Test football
seems more marginalized than ever. For context, the Pacific Championships
(03:47):
will start next week, about a fortnight on from the
NRL Grand Final and after a grueling twenty seven round
regular season plus the finals. To the surprise of no one,
a cast of the game's biggest stars won't feature for
the kiwis alone. The unavailable list includes Dylan Brown, Brandon Smith,
Brittan Nikota, Moses Leota, Jeremy Marshall, King and Ronaldo Mulitalo.
(04:11):
This is the only Test series in the calendar year,
and we're bereft of its best players. The game has
never been faster and had more physical collisions. The ball
and play statistics are absolutely off the charts. You can't
blame the players for needing a break or some tidy
up surgery before they go around again in clubland. The NRL, meanwhile,
(04:33):
I'm more than happy to extend the season with this
cash grab in Las Vegas, on top of rule interpretations
like the six again that make the game as demanding
as it's ever been. This is all the while the
NRL desperate to match its biggest competitor, the AFL wants
more teams.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I'm encouraged, though more.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Teams might not actually mean more games with a reduced
season and conferences. But at the same time other broadcast
is going to buy that. And back to the original point,
where is test football fiting down the line?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
It's time to get the balance right.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
This is sport fair.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, your daily does of sports news, howard By News
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Speaker 4 (05:14):
Well. Look in many ways, there was more intrigues surrounding
this All Blacks fifteen squad that is also heading north
at the same time as the All Blacks for matches
against Munster and Georgia. Twenty nine players picked in all
ten with full All Blacks Test experience. It has been
selected in collaboration with the All Blacks coaches that have
of course going north for five Tests, and new All
(05:35):
Blacks fifteen coach Claydon McMillan, who joins us. Now I
appreciate your time, Claydon.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
No problem.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Hey, Look, there's several talking points I'm keen to discuss,
but if we can start with with Hoskins Stitut, who's
got a lot of supporters after a couple of big
seasons in Super rugby for the Blues, didn't make this
team last year, didn't make the All Blacks this year.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So in those talks with Razor and his team, why
have you picked him this time?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Rap? I think the easiest way to explain is it
is just that there's a hell of a lot of
experience and talented loose forwards running around in the country,
and you know, to get into that All Black mixes
no easy task and has been in selecting this side,
it wasn't easy either, so there is a bit of
congestion there. But I can't speak for why Hoskins wasn't
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selected in the previous teams, only around his selection in
this team, and it's been off the back of obviously
a great Super Rugby season with the Blues and then
you know, continue on that Formwouth Counties, particularly over the
last month or so, where Candies have really sort of
turned the dial around and made the top eight for
the first time in the copy his form, his recent
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form has been really good and delighted that he's going
to be part of our squad.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
A lot was made Clayton at the time around the
first All Black squad around Hoskins's work off the ball
and we know what he can do with the balls,
scores tries for fun, and the All Blacks ultimately went
with Wallace, a titia player you know very well through
the Chiefs, through your observations, I'm sure you would have
looked at a lot of NPC footage. Have you seen
improvements in hoskins game off the ball? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Look, I think he's an integral part of the County
squad and he's starting to back up some really big
minutes and I know that that squad hasn't got an
abundance of Super Rugby contracted members in the County squad,
the largely selected local players, And I think the real
pleasing thing around Hoskins is that he's just and he's
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bought all of that experience into that environment, and it's
great to see them learning and thriving, playing along alongside
players like him, and in an environment where you know
they're coaching staff by Rion Graham are doing a great
job of bringing the best out of them.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So this may seem like an obvious question, but by
virtue of being picked in this All Blacks fifteen team,
is Hoskins virtually effectively next in line for the All Blacks?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Ah, you left to ask that question, but I know
that this team has been selected on the basis sets.
You know we're going to be in the same neck
of the woods as the All Blacks, and there's the
possibility of some crossover of players both ways, and I'd
imagine that anybody who has been named in the AB
fifteen today is one of those players that could keep
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the call up different quiet, We'll leave.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
That there for now.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
As I say, there's a lot of exciting prospects in
the squad. You mentioned the depths that loose forward outside
backs as well. You've gone with Kinning the hollow among
the Nadawah, shay Fee Hockey and Sean Stevenson. Plenty of
depths there on top of obviously the guys who are
going away with the All Blacks. You must be dead
keen to get your hands on some of these guys.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Yeah, look, there's some really exciting talent and there's a
bloody hard squad to select, not just in the outside backs,
but then the entirety. There's it's not until you sort
of start going through the process of, you know, selecting
a twenty nine men squad with the All Blacks, that
you realize we've got we're best with some really good
rugby players in this country and there's a lot of
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people that could consider themselves unfortunate not to be selected.
But you know, I can only takes, so we couldn't
take everybody. So you know, those that have been selected,
we celebrate them and we commiserate the others and we
move forward.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Talk us through the games against Munster and Georgia, and
of course it's been well indicated there might be some
overlap as well between guys who aren't picked for the
All Blacks end of view tour tests. Are you and
your coaching group very much left to your own devices,
or is there a fair bit of direction around who
plays where, how many minutes they play, game style that
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sort of thing.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
No, no, no, no, there's been a collaboration obviously in
selecting the squad, which which we've been really appreciative of.
But you know, in terms of putting our program together
and how we choose to play as entirely up to
our coaching group, we see value in, you know, having
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some cross pollination of some of the stuff that the
orbs use and and that will be helpful for players
that either get called up to the All Blacks or
potentially even if some All Blacks come back the other
way that in terms of digesting content, that similar language,
for example, could be used, and that will help accelerate
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everybody's learning and hopefully help with on field performance.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I've just got a text here, Clayton. Please ask Claydon
McMillan about Josh Jacob. He's a player you know very
well through the Chiefs. How much growth have you seen
in Josh's game over the last twelve months, even both
in the Chiefs environment and Taranuki.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah, Look, Josh's some fantastic prospectee probably first race as
he had last year through NBC and then got an
opportunity in the Chiefs environment and there's a big learning
curve I think for Josh, as it is for all players,
particularly those that are in that game driver role. He
didn't get a lot of opportunity, but he's certainly soaked
(11:02):
up a lot of information. It's been great that he
was able to take all that and go back to
Taranucky and you know, we've got a close relationship with
their coaching group in particular Barnsey who you know was
a big part of our coaching group for a long
period and end up I they really he's really taken
that learnings in their environment a really well performed team
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and coaching the environment he's he's certainly grown another leg.
And you know there were there was certainly a lot
of support for more coaches that were involved in the
selection process around Josh being involved. So it's good reward
for all of the improvement that he's made.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Hey, and just lastly, Clayton, I understand there are some
you are considering that the Buddings NBC Finals around your
travel commitments as well, So that's all sort of these
players will be available for the final logistically before they
hit away.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
That's that's the intent. I can't speak for what the
All Blecks are doing. The All Blecks will be heading
away early, and there's been some chat around some additional
players going up there to help them and in the
Japan series. But I know that there's a really strong
type to keep players playing NBC where that's possible, So
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we have to see how that unfolds.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And to the Chamber we go, but roomier over the
side in the host chair for Darcy water Grave, Nick Bewley,
Clay Willson Newstalks. He'd be Sports News director alongside could
A Clay coud I. Nick, good to have you along.
All Blacks fifteen squad named this afternoon, and this time around,
as opposed to last year, Hoskins Stu does feature.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I am surprised.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
All the talk here this morning was that we weren't
expecting him, expecting to see him in the squad because
there's been so much kind of drama surrounding Hoskins Stituto
in his non selection since he sort of burst onto
the scene with the All Blacks and hasn't been packed
and you know he wouldn't be selected and then of
course eligible for England and Fiji, and that he was
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gonna you know, head off else.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
There's been social media.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Posts from himself kid in the past and a kidda
Yoanni as well we've seen. So really the whole speculation
here was that he wasn't going to be named, but
he has been, so he's clearly still in the selector's minds.
And I mean in terms of deserving it, you can't
say he doesn't deserve it. I mean you could argue
he potentially deserves a spot in the in the main
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All Black squad based on his form from Super Rugby
this year. So that was the big thing really to
stand out from this All Blacks fifteen squad, wasn't it?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Certainly agree twenty nine names.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Was there any other surprises for you or surprise emissions?
I mean for me personally, I still feel like our
depths and around the front row prop and hookers is
a little bit light, but there's certainly a lot of
talent there in the in the loose forwards, in the
outside backs in particular.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Yeah, I mean ten capt All Blacks named in this team.
But you speak about the front row and one name
which really jumped out well for its for its lack
of appearing was Ricky Riccotelli and you know, to surprise,
still only twenty nine years old, Rocky Ricertelly has been
a stalwart of kind of the NPC and Super rugby
scene for a long time now, never really cracked it
(14:16):
at that next level, but.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Was absolutely superb for the Blues this year.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
You could argue the form hooker of the competition and
doesn't appear on here. But in terms of the props,
I mean George Bauer is there who's had a bit
of a run with the All Blacks, But yeah, perhaps
not as quite as much depth there, but certainly some
great names you'd look in the backs Sewan Stevens in
the Morning, Nadawa, Quincy Pier and then players that have
had to run recently, likes of Harry Plummer and the
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two half backs Noah Hotham and Finn Christie. So certainly
some great names and there, I guess that's what this
All Blacks fifteen squad's going to be is, and it's
going to be a mix of players who have had
a crack or coming back for a crack from the
All Blacks and some of those emerging players. But does,
like you say, show out where there's potentially some areas
not quite as much depth as you'd want.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Speaking of depth and speaking of a mission's poor old
Stacy Jones. He names a Kiwi squad right at the
back end of a grueling NRL season, Brown No Kieren
four and Moses Leota, Joey marn who's of course gone
to Japanese rugby, Jeremy Marshall, King, Ronaldo Malatalo, Britain Nicker.
I've probably missed someone Brandon Smith, Big Nelson, a Sopha,
Solomwoners of course suspended, who have got eight debut ons,
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Clay and Peter Herku plucked out a Super league. What
chance do you give the Kiwis a going back to
back here because more old Stacey's up against it.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
What's Peter Hecker on your bingo card for the squad?
I don't eventually would have been on many people's. I mean,
of course it was had time here at the Warriors
and has featured for the Kiwis. But to see a
name like that I think speaks volumes to who's not around,
who's injured, not available, who's like you say, I've gone
off to rugby union, like especially in the Harms. I mean,
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Jerome Hughes is superb this year. About outside of that,
I mean, who are they going to put in there?
I'd love to get I mean, you're you're the you're
the league here, I'd love to get your thoughts on
on who they're going to slot into what is such
a key position alongside a great player like Jerome Hughes,
because just so many names missing in this squad.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, I think the sensible ones probably Cody nic Arema,
but then his versatility and value. You don't have Brandon
Smith or Jeremy Marshall King at hooker as well. Phoenix
Crosslin for the Newcastle Knights. He's one of the eight
uncapped players. He can play a bit of six, a
bit of nine. And then this young fella Trent Polal
that we don't know a whole lot about. Hasn't played
too much but has been part of that Penrith Panthers
system and playing a lot of good reserve grade in
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the Havelves too. So I think those of your three
in LEAs Stacey goes to hell with all that. Let's
get chance Nickel Crook star in there and try something
very strange. Indeed, just lastly Clay ICC Women's T twenty
World Cup overnight three am New Zealand time.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
The White fans crushing when first starts.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So they're coming not after ten straight and internationals against
India but now a big, bad old Australia jeeps creeper
is what chance do you give the White fans? Can
they produce another upset? And if so, what do they
need to do well to at least give themselves a chance?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Well, I mean what kind of chance do I give them?
I didn't give them much hope at all heading into
the India game, and that was purely just based on
form in India are really the pre tournament favourites, so
you'd have to say they've got a chance against Australia.
But that the hard thing is when you haven't been
in formed and you get a win, is then backing
that up again against another very very good team. And
you know the likes of Sophie Devine standing out, Susie
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Bates performed well and Amelia Occur with the ball. I
mean those three names are so key for this White
fan's team, and then getting some other contributions around that.
I don't think they have to win this game necessarily
in the grand scheme of the tournament, so perhaps it's
one you might.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Say, while if they lose it not a big deal.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
You can win your last two pool games and still
sneak into those semi finals.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
But T twenty cricket, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
It's always a bit of a lottery in the in
the shortest, shortest format, So who knows what we're going
to we're gonna get overnight.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
It will certainly be intriguing. Hey, thanks so much for
your time in the chamber, Clay, No way's too easy.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
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