November 4, 2024 • 21 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Tuesday 5 November 2024, founder of 'Boys Get Paid' Luke Kemeys talks about the growth of sports betting and syndicate racing - what's led to it's resurgence?
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on the Breakers' statement win against Melbourne United.
Plus, Newstalk ZB sports news editor Clay Wilson joins the panel to discuss a possible All Blacks/Lions game in the USA.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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I'm Darcy Walter Grave. This is your home weekdays of
the latest and greatest in sport, both home and abroad,
tied out for you in a very digestible, bite sized package.
What have you got for you on the fifth of November, Well,
it is Melbourne Cup day, so we are going to
talk about gambling. Will be joined shortly by a bloke
(00:44):
called Luke Kemy's lucas the man behind Boys Get Paid.
It's New Zealand's biggest punters club that has been growing
and growing and making punting again and going to the
racetrack even more fashionable. We'll talk about the ups and
the downs and the ins and outs with Luke Kemi
shortly after that. I've got some opinions on the resurgence
(01:04):
of the Breakers. They are in a sweet spot right now.
What's the blame or more's the point, who do we
credit for that? Beyond that, Clay Wilson joins us in
the chamber, laining on the Lena to discuss some of
the big sports stories of the day. Clay, of course,
is the sports news director for News Talk z B.
(01:25):
That's all lined up, let's get ready to knock him
down here on the Fix.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Times and audio outtakes from the makers of the Sports News,
Caleb Clark, monstrous legged ab winger, is looking up. He's
looking ahead and appears to not care at all about
last year's World Cup quarter final, beating that they meet
it out to the Irish Johnny Sexton had a cry.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That me, it's not too relevant to the fair. We
sort of parked that to the side and moving forward.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
We know how dangerous Ireland are as a team and
what they bring, so you know, playing here in Ireland
is going to be a big task ahead. The Melbourne Cup,
a race that gets the way of productivity across Australasia
for five minutes every year, has five horses and trained
by Chris Waller. He got one victory, but he's hoping
for more, but not under the kosh of COVID.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Winning our first Melbourne Cup, it was on the couch
at home. It's a unique experience, that's for sure. But
I'd say ten seconds after the horse has passed the post,
the phone starts ringing and doesn't stop for many days.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Power peddler Kia Watts is happy with where his team
sits after two stages of the legendary Tour of Southern
Kana's trailing early leader Sam Jenner by only seven seconds.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The team's had an awesome start so far.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Just going to keep that momentum going.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'm sure with how we've gone on the les last
few days, the motivation tie within the whole squad.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
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Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'm joined now by Luke Kemi's He is the leader
of a Boys Get Paid. This is a great, big
group of boys and girls that have really climbed on
into sports betting, specifically into the horse racing industry. Get
a Luke, how are you made?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Bloody well? Make good to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's great to have you on board. This has gotten
extraordinarily fashionable, hasn't it In the last few years. The
amount of people involved and engaged in horse racing specifically
is really on the rise and rise, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, for sure, I think there is a little bit
of a renaissance and a resurgence in terms of racing
and people getting in behind it, which is cool to see,
and there's probably a few things behind that, but yeah,
people are certainly enjoying it so predominantly.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What do you think it is? What's the drive?
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, it's been a little bit of a changing of
the guard in terms of how the tap is run
in New Zealand and with let's just stay partnering with
the tab effectively and taking it over. It's probably the
easiest way to explain it to people. They are pretty
keen to sort of put some money in and help
the industry grow and it is a big industry for
the country in terms of exporting horses and all sorts
(04:10):
of different things, and many people don't understand that when
people have a bet on whether it's racing or sport,
a portion of those profits goes back into that sport.
So you know, I think they're trying to do more
to explain that, but then also you know, make it
a little bit more normalized to have a bet, as
if you know, people do with lotto, which is very accepted,
(04:30):
but sports and racing are probably just behind the eight
ball a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Why is that like that? Do you think what is
the general attitude towards it is seen as being super
old school, a bit seedy, a wasted time, and why
is the narrative not as positive as it has been
in the past.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Look, I think there's probably you know, all of those
things if you asked, you know, the everyday person. But
part of it as well is that a long time ago,
racing was one of the only things you could bet on,
and it was probably you know, my grandfather's They loved
it and they would be having a bet and it
was very normal for them. And then as things have gone,
it's just you know, people have got other things they
could be doing, whether it's sport or going to carnivals
(05:08):
and festivals or different things, and so bettings sort of
fallen out of favor a little bit. And then there
probably is as well the social licensed people are sorry
portioned to it as well, that people talk about as well.
But yeah, I think it's it's sort of just gone
under the radar and been under invested in. But now
it's having a little bit of a comeback.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Boys get paid. The leader Luke Kemmy's joins us so
the youth are getting involved too, and you mentioned social
media and the attack on the youth. Attack sounds at cruel,
doesn't it, But that's where they're aiming at because that's
the growth area as opposed to our grandparents. It's not
very growth carey at all, Luke, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
And so the tab slash Intate have actually launched another
brand called Bitcher and that's probably more targeted towards younger
people to you know, who are more focused on sports bidding.
And why they're actually doing that is because what a
lot of people don't understand is that young, younger people
have decided to start betting overseas and so when they
choose these overseas bookmakers, basically New Zealand are flooding overseas
(06:10):
and so then the New Zealand Sports don't actually see
a dolt. Well they see a little bit of that,
but they don't have to return as much as if
it was held in this country back into the New
Zealand Sports. So betcherers, from what I've kind of looked
into it, there to give the TAB effectively a second
chance with a different demographic and make betting a little
bit more social and fun and I think we've got
(06:32):
to get past the stigma that everybody who's having a
bet is a degenerate gambler or they're going to end
up with a gambling problem. And it doesn't need to
be like that. And you know, people don't really look
at lotto like that, but with sports and racing betting
they sort of do. So the bitcher angle is massively
towards younger people. Okay, let's keep it social, but of
course let's keep it responsible.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
How addictive is it?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Oh? Just like anything, right, you know. I think there
are the people who they do it for fun, and
then there are people who probably think, okay, this could
be my way to get rich, much like lot of
on a Saturday. But I think with racing and sport
you learn very quick you know what, you're not going
to get rich doing that. You're not going to completely
change your life. And that's probably the piece that once
(07:15):
people learn that, they realize, Okay, this isn't about trying
to get rich quickly or win millions and millions of dollars.
It's something that you might be interested in, but you
need to do it with a portion of money that
you're willing to let go like any other hobby, whether
you're hunting or traveling or whatever it is that you're doing.
That's probably how the people that I spend time with,
(07:35):
that's how they view it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You constantly hear it, do not bet more than can
afford to lose. All of these slogans slang that come
out of the racing industry is a lot of that
though lip service is it saying we're aware of this.
We've got to say things like that because that's what's accepted. Now.
(07:57):
Does any of this have cut through as far as
looking after problem gamblers? Do the bright lights actually work
by promoting this attitude around responsibility.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Well, I actually think younger people are a lot better at,
you know, talking to each other around mental health things
that are dangerous for them, whether it be drinking or whatnot.
And they will have those conversations, and I think they
will spot their friends and go, hey, you know, you
might be stepping over the line here, Whereas I think
this is just my opinion, but some of the older
generations would kind of hide it or go, you know,
(08:31):
it's not a problem for me, and other people are like,
oh okay, well.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Maybe, But I do think younger people are a little
bit more in tune of hey that this is no
good for me, I'm going to steer clear of it,
which which is good. But I do think that you know,
often will say gamble responsibly, which is as smart to say.
But I do think within our friend groups and whatnot,
you need to be looking out for each other. And
if people are, you know, drinking beyond what they should be,
(08:56):
or gambling beyond what they should be, or doing whatever
it is beyond what is reasonably healthy, someone needs to
step in and say, hey, you know, is everything all right?
Is this going too far for you? And I do
think we're getting better at those conversations at a younger
age group, whereas you know, you hear stories of people
struggling to talk to their friends and to each other
(09:17):
and some of their older demographics.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So from what you can see, Luke, it is healthy,
it is accepted, and it seems to be going okay,
targeted at the youth, the growing population with minimal problems
or is that glossing over it?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
From what I see, I see that there are a
number of ways for if you're keeping your bedding within
New Zealand with New Zealand Registered entities i e. Betcher
or the tab They have a responsibility to keep an
eye on what you're doing, and they will certainly get
in touch if they think that you've got a regular activity.
Once you start taking your betting off shore and there
aren't those obligations, you have to be very careful with
(09:56):
your mates and with yourself of whose obligation it is
to say to you, hey, you know, are you going
too far? And I don't think they know. Those safeguards
aren't there. So, like anything, there will be people that
or argue that, you know, vices are bad or good,
But we don't often talk about the social good that
comes of having a bit because we're just so focused
(10:16):
on the negative. So, you know, getting together and spending
some time together and talking and you know, enjoying something
together and having a common goal and having somebody to
focus on outside of your work, all of those things
are brushed over and it's just okay, what are the
negatives of gambling? But I do think that, you know,
sometimes we over highlight that when there are also you know,
(10:37):
some some really good things that come of these different industries,
great way to.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Finish things, Luke, it's just an excuse for you guys
to buy some fancy hats and nice couplings and ties
and go out and get on the reds. Isn't it
gone okay?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Seeing you figured us out exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
This is Sportsfigs, your daily does of sports news, how.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
In by News Talks Evy.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
New Zealand sport over the last few weeks has been
part of a tidal wave of success. It's been breaking
over this shows and washing everybody away with it. There
was a team amongst that who maybe has just slid
under the radar to a degree that after last night's
decimation of Melbourne United in their own gym at their
(11:23):
own court, will definitely put the He's heel and Breaker's
name up in lights. They now lead the competition. Last
night they pulled apart the best defensive team in the
entire division and made them look wow like school kids.
So what is it about this Breaker's team? How have
they picked it up? Let's not forget Maudi Mayle, their
(11:45):
coach of the last couple of years, up and bolted
at the end of last year, finding a coach at
the last minute to replace Moodie Moole, who was well respected,
loved by his team and dragged this Breaker's side up
to the cusp of winning a championship again we thought
would be well, not a dagger blow, but pretty close.
The basketball fraternity in Australia wrote the Breakers off at
(12:08):
the start of the season, suggesting they'll be salad dwellers
at best and easy beats right the way through the competition.
That has not happened. And why is this? But Terry
Copten coach Kopp as they call him, is doing something
quite extraordinary with that side right now. It's taken to
account that three of their best players have been sat
(12:29):
down for the last couple of games. Yet losing these
guys has done nothing to affect the team itself, and
that comes back to the coaching staff. That comes back
to the coach, the attitude that he instills in all
of his players and the fact they're working as a
unit because it is, after all, a team. Game. Last
night was astonishing. Melbourne United were torn to shreds and
(12:53):
it must bring the team, the management, the organization a
huge amount of strength knowing that they picked the right
guy at the right time. He may be a great
ex as an O's coach is but Terry Copinan But
what he does excel is the ability to climb into
the hearts and the minds of the players. And if
you can capture those two facets of any athlete, they'll
(13:16):
run through walls for you, just like they did last night.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Time to climb in the chamber now, Clay Wilson, sports
News director for News Talks b Joine us get a Clay,
how are you a power stars? Very well, thank you,
Nice to be back at work. Nice to see you
in that hot seat. And is it great to talk
about gambling and sport because of course Melbourne Cup Day
is very much at the forefront of people's mind, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Yeah, it is, And I guess we do tend to
have this conversation at the specific time of the year
because the Melbourne Cup is such a fixture of the
I guess the betting calendar, the sports betting calendar. It's
for a lot of people the one time of the
year that they do have a flutter, right, But also
it shines a light on sports betting and people that
(14:06):
do it more often and what's a ail all these days?
And how much you should get into it. So there's certainly,
so many strands to this. I mean we've been hashing
some of it out already today as to as to
what's right, what's wrong, and where the I guess we're
the industry at where where the where the we we're
at as a society with with that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, when you look at people who do bet and
they do it regularly, if there's a problem here, it's
when people do it under the radar, and they do
it silently and they hide it like most addictions, that's
the problem. You talk about it on the day like today,
it almost legitimizes it because everybody's having a crack. Oh,
these odds are great and AI it go so overone
(14:44):
climbs in. Is that gateway or not? Do you think?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean definitely, And I'm sure there's there's a
decent amount of people that fit into that kind of
category that are that are doing it perhaps under the
radar because they know they shouldn't be doing it, or
they're doing it too much and that kind of losing and.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
They're trying to climb their way back again, which is
probably common, I'd say, of course.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah, But you know, like a lot of people I
know that bed on sport per se do it in
quite a control matter as well. And that's not to
say there aren't people out there doing it in an
uncontrolled manner, in a perhaps a way that's harmful to
them or dangerous and to them and others around them.
But you know, I think gambling for a lot of
people is a bit of fun. People know that they're
(15:26):
going to lose a bit of money here or there.
It's just whether you do it in a control matter.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
They're buying a sugar hit, aren't they. Oh I want
Oh I never won, that's okay, you can't move on.
So I can say for the majority of.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
People, it's not problematic, right yeah, And I'm not a
big bit better, But when I do, it certainly makes
the event or the game or the match I'm watching
a bit more interesting, at least until you bet wins
or losers. Right, So yeah, there is an element of that.
But I need to go in thinking, I mean, if
I win some money, great, but I need a bit
more than I'm happy to lose, I guess is the point.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's the key. They're always talking.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
But of course that opens the possibility for people that
don't perhaps have that self control or in a position
where they think this is the only way I can
get head this week or today or this month. Those
are the situations you get into. But I mean, we
can't outlaw gambling completely. Can we have been there before, industry,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
That's a way you want to legislate. You can't legislate
for the lowest common denominator. Tevern's else's fun being taken away.
And it's another debate in itself. It's getting bigger here though.
In New Zealand, isn't it. There's been a real acceleration
and advertising acceleration of encouragement into that. Where does that
come from? Is because the country's broke?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Well I'm sure, I'm sure cost of living and that
kind of thing definitely comes into it. I would also
say social media plays a big part in that, the
digitization of society. It fits right in with gambling, doesn't it.
You know, you can pump the crap out of advertising
in all different kinds of places. You know, people majority
(17:03):
of people bet now they don't go into the tab
and get a paper docket do that. You've got an
app on your phone or your tablet or your computer
at home. So people do it that way, So it
just the way society is now. The digitization of things
lends itself to that. So yeah, I mean it's definitely, definitely,
perhaps more need for legislation now than there has been
(17:24):
in the past. But you've got to allow people to
do it in some manner, and there's always going to
be a few.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Addition, just doesn't work no any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
And I mean, I guess you've already pointed out there's
always going to be some who slipped through the cracks.
And when it comes to sport specifically, I mean there
definitely will be people that fit into that category. But
I mean I can only speak from my own experience
and those around me that I know that bet a
little bit on sport, and I don't know anyone who
really has a big problem in that kind of area.
(17:56):
Most of them are in a syndicate or you know,
allow themselves, you know, ten bucks a week or something
like that to have a bit of fun, knowing like
we talked about that you might lose it. But if
you don't, great you can go out and treat yourself
to something and then move on.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I bet that New Zealand rugby in the British and
Irish lines take a game in twenty twenty nine to
the USA. What money would you give me for that one?
This is looking likely, isn't it, Clay.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Wow, And it's funny you say money, because this is
obviously a decision born out of making trying to make
a heck of a lot of money. And we talked
about before about the NRL going to Las Vegas. This
is of course where they're talking about going. And many
sports have tried and continuing to try to tap in
(18:42):
to what is the biggest sports market in the world
in terms of we can monetize things, and that's the US, right,
So it doesn't surprise me at all that I mean,
we've seen it already. The All Blacks have played in
the US what two three times now already, So the
fact that they're looking at this doesn't shock me at all.
And do they need to make it a huge success
(19:05):
in terms of rugby or rugby league taking over in
the US. No, because if you even pick up ten
percent of interest or twenty percent of interest in a
huge market like that, and that equates to a lot
of money.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So and they'll never take over anyway. In American football,
basketball both. They're so huge over there, actually said percentage wise,
they get a tiny slither of it.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That's all right.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
It's not about taking over, is it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
They're not.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I think that you think they're smart enough to know that,
like you say, those other sports are so dominant in
America that they are going to take over. But I
mean to me, reading between the lines, would it even
be the all Blacks necessarily that would play this Lion's team.
It might be saying all Blacks fifteen or whatever, So.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'd say the regulars, the locals. The US is would
be furious if a test match was a Lion's Test
was taking taken away from New Zealand to the United
States of America to make a bit of money. There's money.
This is sacred to us, this test series, isn't it.
You can't do that.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Yeah, And for me, is it something that I'd be
interested in knowing near as much as a as an
all blacks lines test at Eden Park for example. Right,
It's just not in the same category. But that's not
to say that it won't be successful for New zeal
And rugby for the lines if they decide to do it.
In terms of its objective, which to me screams trying
(20:23):
to make a dollar. And you know with were New
Zealand rugby is that you can't argue with them trying to,
you know, trying to do that because their financial situation
has been pretty well documented in recent years. So I
guess it sort of adds up in that way.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Play Wilson, Sports news directors for News Talk z B.
Thank you for your time, no problems.
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the latest and greatest in sport, both home and abroad,
tied out for you in a very digestible, bite sized package.
What have you got for you on the fifth of November, Well,
it is Melbourne Cup day, so we are going to
talk about gambling. Will be joined shortly by a bloke
(00:44):
called Luke Kemy's lucas the man behind Boys Get Paid.
It's New Zealand's biggest punters club that has been growing
and growing and making punting again and going to the
racetrack even more fashionable. We'll talk about the ups and
the downs and the ins and outs with Luke Kemi
shortly after that. I've got some opinions on the resurgence
(01:04):
of the Breakers. They are in a sweet spot right now.
What's the blame or more's the point, who do we
credit for that? Beyond that, Clay Wilson joins us in
the chamber, laining on the Lena to discuss some of
the big sports stories of the day. Clay, of course,
is the sports news director for News Talk z B.
(01:25):
That's all lined up, let's get ready to knock him
down here on the Fix.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Times and audio outtakes from the makers of the Sports News,
Caleb Clark, monstrous legged ab winger, is looking up. He's
looking ahead and appears to not care at all about
last year's World Cup quarter final, beating that they meet
it out to the Irish Johnny Sexton had a cry.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That me, it's not too relevant to the fair. We
sort of parked that to the side and moving forward.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
We know how dangerous Ireland are as a team and
what they bring, so you know, playing here in Ireland
is going to be a big task ahead. The Melbourne Cup,
a race that gets the way of productivity across Australasia
for five minutes every year, has five horses and trained
by Chris Waller. He got one victory, but he's hoping
for more, but not under the kosh of COVID.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Winning our first Melbourne Cup, it was on the couch
at home. It's a unique experience, that's for sure. But
I'd say ten seconds after the horse has passed the post,
the phone starts ringing and doesn't stop for many days.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Power peddler Kia Watts is happy with where his team
sits after two stages of the legendary Tour of Southern
Kana's trailing early leader Sam Jenner by only seven seconds.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The team's had an awesome start so far.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Just going to keep that momentum going.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'm sure with how we've gone on the les last
few days, the motivation tie within the whole squad.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
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Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'm joined now by Luke Kemi's He is the leader
of a Boys Get Paid. This is a great, big
group of boys and girls that have really climbed on
into sports betting, specifically into the horse racing industry. Get
a Luke, how are you made?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Bloody well? Make good to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's great to have you on board. This has gotten
extraordinarily fashionable, hasn't it In the last few years. The
amount of people involved and engaged in horse racing specifically
is really on the rise and rise, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, for sure, I think there is a little bit
of a renaissance and a resurgence in terms of racing
and people getting in behind it, which is cool to see,
and there's probably a few things behind that, but yeah,
people are certainly enjoying it so predominantly.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What do you think it is? What's the drive?
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, it's been a little bit of a changing of
the guard in terms of how the tap is run
in New Zealand and with let's just stay partnering with
the tab effectively and taking it over. It's probably the
easiest way to explain it to people. They are pretty
keen to sort of put some money in and help
the industry grow and it is a big industry for
the country in terms of exporting horses and all sorts
(04:10):
of different things, and many people don't understand that when
people have a bet on whether it's racing or sport,
a portion of those profits goes back into that sport.
So you know, I think they're trying to do more
to explain that, but then also you know, make it
a little bit more normalized to have a bet, as
if you know, people do with lotto, which is very accepted,
(04:30):
but sports and racing are probably just behind the eight
ball a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Why is that like that? Do you think what is
the general attitude towards it is seen as being super
old school, a bit seedy, a wasted time, and why
is the narrative not as positive as it has been
in the past.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Look, I think there's probably you know, all of those
things if you asked, you know, the everyday person. But
part of it as well is that a long time ago,
racing was one of the only things you could bet on,
and it was probably you know, my grandfather's They loved
it and they would be having a bet and it
was very normal for them. And then as things have gone,
it's just you know, people have got other things they
could be doing, whether it's sport or going to carnivals
(05:08):
and festivals or different things, and so bettings sort of
fallen out of favor a little bit. And then there
probably is as well the social licensed people are sorry
portioned to it as well, that people talk about as well.
But yeah, I think it's it's sort of just gone
under the radar and been under invested in. But now
it's having a little bit of a comeback.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Boys get paid. The leader Luke Kemmy's joins us so
the youth are getting involved too, and you mentioned social
media and the attack on the youth. Attack sounds at cruel,
doesn't it, But that's where they're aiming at because that's
the growth area as opposed to our grandparents. It's not
very growth carey at all, Luke, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
And so the tab slash Intate have actually launched another
brand called Bitcher and that's probably more targeted towards younger
people to you know, who are more focused on sports bidding.
And why they're actually doing that is because what a
lot of people don't understand is that young, younger people
have decided to start betting overseas and so when they
choose these overseas bookmakers, basically New Zealand are flooding overseas
(06:10):
and so then the New Zealand Sports don't actually see
a dolt. Well they see a little bit of that,
but they don't have to return as much as if
it was held in this country back into the New
Zealand Sports. So betcherers, from what I've kind of looked
into it, there to give the TAB effectively a second
chance with a different demographic and make betting a little
bit more social and fun and I think we've got
(06:32):
to get past the stigma that everybody who's having a
bet is a degenerate gambler or they're going to end
up with a gambling problem. And it doesn't need to
be like that. And you know, people don't really look
at lotto like that, but with sports and racing betting
they sort of do. So the bitcher angle is massively
towards younger people. Okay, let's keep it social, but of
course let's keep it responsible.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
How addictive is it?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Oh? Just like anything, right, you know. I think there
are the people who they do it for fun, and
then there are people who probably think, okay, this could
be my way to get rich, much like lot of
on a Saturday. But I think with racing and sport
you learn very quick you know what, you're not going
to get rich doing that. You're not going to completely
change your life. And that's probably the piece that once
(07:15):
people learn that, they realize, Okay, this isn't about trying
to get rich quickly or win millions and millions of dollars.
It's something that you might be interested in, but you
need to do it with a portion of money that
you're willing to let go like any other hobby, whether
you're hunting or traveling or whatever it is that you're doing.
That's probably how the people that I spend time with,
(07:35):
that's how they view it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You constantly hear it, do not bet more than can
afford to lose. All of these slogans slang that come
out of the racing industry is a lot of that
though lip service is it saying we're aware of this.
We've got to say things like that because that's what's accepted. Now.
(07:57):
Does any of this have cut through as far as
looking after problem gamblers? Do the bright lights actually work
by promoting this attitude around responsibility.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Well, I actually think younger people are a lot better at,
you know, talking to each other around mental health things
that are dangerous for them, whether it be drinking or whatnot.
And they will have those conversations, and I think they
will spot their friends and go, hey, you know, you
might be stepping over the line here, Whereas I think
this is just my opinion, but some of the older
generations would kind of hide it or go, you know,
(08:31):
it's not a problem for me, and other people are like,
oh okay, well.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Maybe, But I do think younger people are a little
bit more in tune of hey that this is no
good for me, I'm going to steer clear of it,
which which is good. But I do think that you know,
often will say gamble responsibly, which is as smart to say.
But I do think within our friend groups and whatnot,
you need to be looking out for each other. And
if people are, you know, drinking beyond what they should be,
(08:56):
or gambling beyond what they should be, or doing whatever
it is beyond what is reasonably healthy, someone needs to
step in and say, hey, you know, is everything all right?
Is this going too far for you? And I do
think we're getting better at those conversations at a younger
age group, whereas you know, you hear stories of people
struggling to talk to their friends and to each other
(09:17):
and some of their older demographics.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So from what you can see, Luke, it is healthy,
it is accepted, and it seems to be going okay,
targeted at the youth, the growing population with minimal problems
or is that glossing over it?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
From what I see, I see that there are a
number of ways for if you're keeping your bedding within
New Zealand with New Zealand Registered entities i e. Betcher
or the tab They have a responsibility to keep an
eye on what you're doing, and they will certainly get
in touch if they think that you've got a regular activity.
Once you start taking your betting off shore and there
aren't those obligations, you have to be very careful with
(09:56):
your mates and with yourself of whose obligation it is
to say to you, hey, you know, are you going
too far? And I don't think they know. Those safeguards
aren't there. So, like anything, there will be people that
or argue that, you know, vices are bad or good,
But we don't often talk about the social good that
comes of having a bit because we're just so focused
(10:16):
on the negative. So, you know, getting together and spending
some time together and talking and you know, enjoying something
together and having a common goal and having somebody to
focus on outside of your work, all of those things
are brushed over and it's just okay, what are the
negatives of gambling? But I do think that, you know,
sometimes we over highlight that when there are also you know,
(10:37):
some some really good things that come of these different industries,
great way to.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Finish things, Luke, it's just an excuse for you guys
to buy some fancy hats and nice couplings and ties
and go out and get on the reds. Isn't it
gone okay?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Seeing you figured us out exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
This is Sportsfigs, your daily does of sports news, how.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
In by News Talks Evy.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
New Zealand sport over the last few weeks has been
part of a tidal wave of success. It's been breaking
over this shows and washing everybody away with it. There
was a team amongst that who maybe has just slid
under the radar to a degree that after last night's
decimation of Melbourne United in their own gym at their
(11:23):
own court, will definitely put the He's heel and Breaker's
name up in lights. They now lead the competition. Last
night they pulled apart the best defensive team in the
entire division and made them look wow like school kids.
So what is it about this Breaker's team? How have
they picked it up? Let's not forget Maudi Mayle, their
(11:45):
coach of the last couple of years, up and bolted
at the end of last year, finding a coach at
the last minute to replace Moodie Moole, who was well respected,
loved by his team and dragged this Breaker's side up
to the cusp of winning a championship again we thought
would be well, not a dagger blow, but pretty close.
The basketball fraternity in Australia wrote the Breakers off at
(12:08):
the start of the season, suggesting they'll be salad dwellers
at best and easy beats right the way through the competition.
That has not happened. And why is this? But Terry
Copten coach Kopp as they call him, is doing something
quite extraordinary with that side right now. It's taken to
account that three of their best players have been sat
(12:29):
down for the last couple of games. Yet losing these
guys has done nothing to affect the team itself, and
that comes back to the coaching staff. That comes back
to the coach, the attitude that he instills in all
of his players and the fact they're working as a
unit because it is, after all, a team. Game. Last
night was astonishing. Melbourne United were torn to shreds and
(12:53):
it must bring the team, the management, the organization a
huge amount of strength knowing that they picked the right
guy at the right time. He may be a great
ex as an O's coach is but Terry Copinan But
what he does excel is the ability to climb into
the hearts and the minds of the players. And if
you can capture those two facets of any athlete, they'll
(13:16):
run through walls for you, just like they did last night.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Time to climb in the chamber now, Clay Wilson, sports
News director for News Talks b Joine us get a Clay,
how are you a power stars? Very well, thank you,
Nice to be back at work. Nice to see you
in that hot seat. And is it great to talk
about gambling and sport because of course Melbourne Cup Day
is very much at the forefront of people's mind, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Yeah, it is, And I guess we do tend to
have this conversation at the specific time of the year
because the Melbourne Cup is such a fixture of the
I guess the betting calendar, the sports betting calendar. It's
for a lot of people the one time of the
year that they do have a flutter, right, But also
it shines a light on sports betting and people that
(14:06):
do it more often and what's a ail all these days?
And how much you should get into it. So there's certainly,
so many strands to this. I mean we've been hashing
some of it out already today as to as to
what's right, what's wrong, and where the I guess we're
the industry at where where the where the we we're
at as a society with with that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, when you look at people who do bet and
they do it regularly, if there's a problem here, it's
when people do it under the radar, and they do
it silently and they hide it like most addictions, that's
the problem. You talk about it on the day like today,
it almost legitimizes it because everybody's having a crack. Oh,
these odds are great and AI it go so overone
(14:44):
climbs in. Is that gateway or not? Do you think?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean definitely, And I'm sure there's there's a
decent amount of people that fit into that kind of
category that are that are doing it perhaps under the
radar because they know they shouldn't be doing it, or
they're doing it too much and that kind of losing and.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
They're trying to climb their way back again, which is
probably common, I'd say, of course.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah, But you know, like a lot of people I
know that bed on sport per se do it in
quite a control matter as well. And that's not to
say there aren't people out there doing it in an
uncontrolled manner, in a perhaps a way that's harmful to
them or dangerous and to them and others around them.
But you know, I think gambling for a lot of
people is a bit of fun. People know that they're
(15:26):
going to lose a bit of money here or there.
It's just whether you do it in a control matter.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
They're buying a sugar hit, aren't they. Oh I want
Oh I never won, that's okay, you can't move on.
So I can say for the majority of.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
People, it's not problematic, right yeah, And I'm not a
big bit better, But when I do, it certainly makes
the event or the game or the match I'm watching
a bit more interesting, at least until you bet wins
or losers. Right, So yeah, there is an element of that.
But I need to go in thinking, I mean, if
I win some money, great, but I need a bit
more than I'm happy to lose, I guess is the point.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's the key. They're always talking.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
But of course that opens the possibility for people that
don't perhaps have that self control or in a position
where they think this is the only way I can
get head this week or today or this month. Those
are the situations you get into. But I mean, we
can't outlaw gambling completely. Can we have been there before, industry,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
That's a way you want to legislate. You can't legislate
for the lowest common denominator. Tevern's else's fun being taken away.
And it's another debate in itself. It's getting bigger here though.
In New Zealand, isn't it. There's been a real acceleration
and advertising acceleration of encouragement into that. Where does that
come from? Is because the country's broke?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Well I'm sure, I'm sure cost of living and that
kind of thing definitely comes into it. I would also
say social media plays a big part in that, the
digitization of society. It fits right in with gambling, doesn't it.
You know, you can pump the crap out of advertising
in all different kinds of places. You know, people majority
(17:03):
of people bet now they don't go into the tab
and get a paper docket do that. You've got an
app on your phone or your tablet or your computer
at home. So people do it that way, So it
just the way society is now. The digitization of things
lends itself to that. So yeah, I mean it's definitely, definitely,
perhaps more need for legislation now than there has been
(17:24):
in the past. But you've got to allow people to
do it in some manner, and there's always going to
be a few.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Addition, just doesn't work no any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
And I mean, I guess you've already pointed out there's
always going to be some who slipped through the cracks.
And when it comes to sport specifically, I mean there
definitely will be people that fit into that category. But
I mean I can only speak from my own experience
and those around me that I know that bet a
little bit on sport, and I don't know anyone who
really has a big problem in that kind of area.
(17:56):
Most of them are in a syndicate or you know,
allow themselves, you know, ten bucks a week or something
like that to have a bit of fun, knowing like
we talked about that you might lose it. But if
you don't, great you can go out and treat yourself
to something and then move on.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I bet that New Zealand rugby in the British and
Irish lines take a game in twenty twenty nine to
the USA. What money would you give me for that one?
This is looking likely, isn't it, Clay.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Wow, And it's funny you say money, because this is
obviously a decision born out of making trying to make
a heck of a lot of money. And we talked
about before about the NRL going to Las Vegas. This
is of course where they're talking about going. And many
sports have tried and continuing to try to tap in
(18:42):
to what is the biggest sports market in the world
in terms of we can monetize things, and that's the US, right,
So it doesn't surprise me at all that I mean,
we've seen it already. The All Blacks have played in
the US what two three times now already, So the
fact that they're looking at this doesn't shock me at all.
And do they need to make it a huge success
(19:05):
in terms of rugby or rugby league taking over in
the US. No, because if you even pick up ten
percent of interest or twenty percent of interest in a
huge market like that, and that equates to a lot
of money.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So and they'll never take over anyway. In American football,
basketball both. They're so huge over there, actually said percentage wise,
they get a tiny slither of it.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That's all right.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
It's not about taking over, is it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
They're not.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I think that you think they're smart enough to know that,
like you say, those other sports are so dominant in
America that they are going to take over. But I
mean to me, reading between the lines, would it even
be the all Blacks necessarily that would play this Lion's team.
It might be saying all Blacks fifteen or whatever, So.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'd say the regulars, the locals. The US is would
be furious if a test match was a Lion's Test
was taking taken away from New Zealand to the United
States of America to make a bit of money. There's money.
This is sacred to us, this test series, isn't it.
You can't do that.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Yeah, And for me, is it something that I'd be
interested in knowing near as much as a as an
all blacks lines test at Eden Park for example. Right,
It's just not in the same category. But that's not
to say that it won't be successful for New zeal
And rugby for the lines if they decide to do it.
In terms of its objective, which to me screams trying
(20:23):
to make a dollar. And you know with were New
Zealand rugby is that you can't argue with them trying to,
you know, trying to do that because their financial situation
has been pretty well documented in recent years. So I
guess it sort of adds up in that way.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Play Wilson, Sports news directors for News Talk z B.
Thank you for your time, no problems.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
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