November 13, 2024 • 19 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave and Jason Pine for Thursday 14 November 2024 - Former All Black Doctor Dr John Mayhew talks about the retirement of Tom Robinson due to ongoing concussions.
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul at nearly 60.
Plus, the lads join the panel to discuss Chris Wood's incredible month in the Premier League.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello there, and welcome into a Thursday edition of the
Sports Fix podcast for November fourteen.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good have you with us? I'm Jason Pine. My name
is Darcy walder Grave. Running Shotgun with the Pine Man again.
Always a pleasure to do so, Jason, what have you
got coming up?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, I'm quite looking forward to playing selector with you.
I've got one, two, three, four, I've got five positions.
I'd like to get your view on as to what
you think your black selectors will do and what you
might do when they name their team for France. I
think it's revealed about five o'clock tomorrow morning. I want
to kick that round in the chamber with you. I
know you've got the doc on. I always enjoy listening
to John Mayhew.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Near doctor John Mayhew talking about concussion and the Curious
Tale of Tom Robinson. I don't know about you, Piney,
but I've heard of players trying to mask injury so
they get selected, but not players feigning injury so they
don't get selected. It's a strange one, but I think
in essence a good news story for rugby really again
(01:18):
highlighting the dangers around concussion.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Indeed indeed, and how far we've come in that regard.
All right, So the doc's coming up, the chambers coming up,
is a bit coming up. Let's get into it. In
other news, let's get started with some of the big
sports stories floating around today. Shri Lannka have won the
opening One Day cricket International against New Zealand and Dan Buller.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
There it is, there's the match in a good word for.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
The home sick New Zealand finished one seventy five for
nine chasing and adjusted two hundred and twenty one from
twenty seven overs earlier. Shri Lanka rapped up three hundred
and twenty four to five from forty nine point two overs.
New Zealand Rugby's manager of the professional game at Chris
Lendrom's keeping the door. Ajar over the possibility of a
(02:06):
super rugby draft, but says the prospect is unlikely for now.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
We're done in a certain way. Drafts and options create fans,
spectacle and interest. Totally get all of that, not saying
never at all we remain open minded, but it's not
on the agenda for the near team.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And keep it going. For Stephen, Elka wants to keep
playing professionally until he turns sixty after winning a second
season long crown on the PGA Champions Tour, saying that
is the biggest thing, and then you know from there
the drive is it?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
How long is it going to be there?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And if I'm just finishing forty to fifteenth in the
field and not having a chance, then it's probably time.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Leading a vex. We've got just the ticket. It's Sports
Vex Now, News Talks EVY.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
We'll join now on the program by doctor John Mayhew
as we take a look at the curious case of
Tom Robinson. John always good to chat to you. I
take it your will very well.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Thank you, Dartine.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This is a curious case, isn't that Tom Robinson coming
out and saying, look, I faked injury so I didn't
get selected for the All Blacks. And this is all
under the far of concussion that he experienced. He didn't
want to go any further. I've never heard of this before.
What about yourself? Normally they say I'm not injured so
(03:18):
they can carry on playing. This is quite the turn up,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It is. I think you did right there. And I've
had a number of players who have had several head
injuries and then made decisions early in their career to
stop playing football. But they've done that quite publicly and say, look,
I've had two or three concussions, I'm twenty to one
to twenty two. I'm concerned they'll be long term problems,
and I'm going to cut my losses now. And that
(03:42):
made it's probably quite an intelligent, rational decision. What I
find quite unusual here as the player was hiding that
he was worried about head injury and avoiding playing, but
without telling people and the reason why he was avoiding playing.
So it's a bit unusual. And hopefully he's made a
full recovery from his head injuries, and he's probably made
(04:05):
a very wise decision to avoid the injury and get
on with his life in other areas and not so
for the consequences of repeated head injury. But the mystery is,
you know why he felt that he couldn't discuss that
with his medical advisors or coaches, and I had to
pretend he was injured to avoid selection.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Another story that I won't say will put the frighteners
up people, but again, it brings awareness to the nature
of head injury. I see it as being a positive
that he's done this, not a negative. But maybe that's
what he is thinking. Not that we can tell anyone
what he was thinking, because we simply don't know. But
this is a good news story.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
You think, Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I mean,
there's a number of players I've dealt with over the
last three or four years who've decided to retire because
of you know, what they deem as frequent head injuries,
and fortunately most of them are not brain damage to
any extent, but they're concerned about the future. And these
are often young graduates, you know, who've got other careers
(05:06):
ahead of them, and they've made it to say to say, well,
I care, I'm going to decrease the odds of further
damage by it by not playing. And I think that's
a very acceptable and very wise thing to do. When
they do that, you know, quite publicly, I'm disappointed that,
you know, a player this felt that he couldn't be
honest with his coaching staff, medical staff and say, look,
(05:26):
you know, I don't want to play because I'm worried
about heat injury, and I think it may be best
that I don't carry on playing, and that'd be the
way to do it. And I think in twenty twenty four,
you know, we're much more aware of the dangers of
head injury and it's certainly acceptable. We've gone past that
Marcho phase of you know, play on you know if
you can sort of thing, and I think it's a
(05:49):
wise thing to do. So I applaud him for doing
what he's doing, but it's a shame that he felt
that he had to sort of do it in a
surreptitious sort of way.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Dr John Mayhew joining the program. Back in the day,
people would hide injury so they would get selected. How
in this day and a difficult is it to hide
something like head injury? It's blanket covered. Everyone's very very
well aware of concussion, of head knocks, of how players
are affected. They've got video. But is it an easy
(06:19):
enough thing to mask? I don't know why you would,
but it's easy enough to mask in this day and age.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, it's certainly at the professional level now it's pretty
hard to get away with a player playing with head
injury because there are protocols in place all the training
and games of videos, so it's very hard to avoid
you know, that are being diagnosed with a head injury.
So I think that's unlikely. I mean, certainly at lower
levels or training where there's no video assessment and things
(06:46):
like that, injuries can occur. And often I still see
patients who say, look, I felt good after game, but
you know later on I had a headache, and then
you go through the tape and you find that you
know they may have had a head injury and you're
dealt with accordingly. But I think at the professional level
now players don't try to hide head injury. It's certainly
(07:08):
lower levels and even worse at visiting rugby levels, players
sometimes try to hide things and unfortunately sometimes the appearance
and coaches you know, go along with that as well.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
There is a standard standdown period for players, but I'm
presuming that head injury takes on and concussion a number
of different forms. So to have a blanket stand down
period is that idea? Is that accurate? Does that work
for you the average rugby player, not even your average bloke.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
What you're saying is definitely correct that I was in
a working party with ACC and we came up with
some guidelines for non professional sportsmen across all the sporting codes,
and we came up with a minimum of three weeks
standout if anyone suffers a head injury and then they
needed to be cleared by a medical professional, a doctor,
(07:59):
not a physio. Now that what we've got to deal
with here, Darcy, is it's very hard for the average
forcemen to get in to see a doctor, to get
access to all the neuropsychometric testing. So we made a
pragmatic decision which is the best for all concern and
what we're trying to say there that if you have
a hen indry it's going to be a minimum of
three weeks you're then going to have a conversation with
(08:21):
a medical professional who assesses you and decides whether you
can return to play or not. So it's not ideal,
I quite agree, but it's the best option we've got
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's gone on the up and up. Dot to John
Mayhewn just before we go the technology, the advance and
understanding around concussion not full proof yet, but in your mind,
getting closer to sorting this issue out as far as
finding out how you got your concussion, how long it's
going to last. As medical up now with what's going
(08:53):
on in concussion, they have a long way to go.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Or I think that certainly we're moving forward, and I
think New Zealand rugby has been very proactive and assessment
of concussion and management of that, and it issuing a
lot of research programs and is mostly doing more than
most other sport doing New Zealand. And certainly people can
get head injuries and sort of rollerblading and ice hockey
(09:16):
and things like that where there's no research going on.
The finger gets pointed at rugby the whole time, but
ironically it's the sport that's doing the most to try
and make their sport safest than the other sports can
learn from the information glean there. So I think, you know,
there's a lot of research done by sporting bodies and
by medical bodies, and we're trying to make the game
as safe as we possibly can.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
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Speaker 3 (09:43):
Be One of the all time boxing heavyweight grats gets
back and prowls the ring again. His name is Mike Tyson,
The baddest man on the Planet, former undisputed world heavyweight
champion at the ripe old age of fifty eight. He's
climbing back into the squared circle again to punch a
(10:04):
young man in the face. And when I say young,
I mean young. There's a thirty one year age difference
between the two characters. The other character the twenty seven
year old Jake Paul, a YouTuber and kind of professional boxer.
His record, well, eleven fights, ten wins, seven KOs, and
one loss up against Iron Mike, is that as many
(10:25):
pro fights as he's had years on the planet. Fifty
eight fights, fifty wins, forty four by knockout, and six losses.
That's an impressive record by anyone's measure. What does that
count for what's coming up on Sunday? Nothing at all.
This has been sanctioned as a fight. They've got bigger,
(10:46):
softer gloves. There are eight rounds of only two minutes,
so when it comes to boxing, it's more like reality
TV boxing than bona fide scrap. But that won't stop,
and I'd suggest millions and millions of people from tuning
in to Netflix to watch this brawl. It's like a
whole of people crowding around a freak show just to
(11:08):
see what happens. Plainly, I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't think anybody knows what's going to happen. Will
Jake Paul be humiliated by Iron Mike Tyson? All they
carry Mike Tyson out on a gurney is one thing
I do hope though, that when Mike Tyson walks into
the ring, he's got as black trunks and as little
(11:29):
black booties on, just like as helcyon days when he
was the baddest man on the planet.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Let us convene in the chamber for some discussion around
a couple of sporting issues. The main one, Dars I
want to get your view on, is what you think
your black selectors might do for this Test match against
France on Sunday morning, New Zealand time the team is
revealed tomorrow morning in the early hours. Can I give
you a couple of positions and get your view you can.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Indeed, just remembering one key thought here and every time
back in the day I spoke to Grant Fox before
he was an all Black selector about selections. You said,
it's all well and good dask, but this team never
has to play, so take it with a grain of salt.
And he's right, isn't he? We can all be selectors
on the couch, but our team doesn't have to play.
So do you want me to tell you who I
(12:23):
think is going to be selected or who should be selected?
Because that's quite the difference.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I want the second one of those. Please, I'd like
you to put yourself in the selector's books. I think
we can all. I think we can all say oh
we reckon, they'll do this, or they'll probably pick am.
What would you do if it was up to you
and I want to start in the front row? Are
you picking Asafa one Moor or Cody Taylor to start
this test match?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I'm picking Asafa L Moore because I thought it's reward
and for what he did and the two big stories
out of that game, well big for me anyway that
I suffer prove people that he can actually adjust and
change and get his game right, and he didn't run
out of steam. And Damien McKenzie, like I've been critical
of him in the past, but he put on a
master class. I've got to be impressive. I'm thinking that
(13:07):
they reward him for that, and then we have the
coming back from a head knock Cody Taylor to really
inject toward the end here. Okay, well, then you mentioned
Damian McKenzie there as well. I take it from that
then that you're giving him the keys to the car.
The number ten Jersey and Boden Barrett comes off the bench. Now.
I do like that idea, because Boden Barrett, of course,
can cover a number of possessions and short of a trot,
(13:29):
Damie McKenzie is not. So to me, it's a fairly
pragmatic decision, even though I think Boden's the better player.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay, so Amoa and mackenzie there, now, can you please
tell me your loose forward trio, remembering of course that
we don't have Sam Kaine available this weekend.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, the cat's a sort of been let out of
the bag by Scott Hansen, so I'd say that Larkye
will will he start? Yeah, let's go Larky to start
in at seven, and you leave Wallacetiti in at six,
and you leave the man in the boot where he belongs.
I know it's tempting for Adie Savia to move him
(14:06):
to the open side. But I think situation like this,
if you've got a new guy coming on in that
key role, you need some form of solidity with the
other two packs.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
If that makes sense, it does. I see what I
would do. I'd Havelaye coming off the reserves bench. I
would move Ardi to seven for this one. I'd give
Wallace Atti a run and that eight Jersey where he's
been so impressive for the Chiefs. Yes, I know he's
been amazing in six for the All Blacks, but I'd
reward some a penny female for a good couple of
impacts off the bench against England and Ireland after a
(14:38):
difficult Rugby championship for some a penny female. I would
give him a go in that six jumper. He started
against England in both tests in July then kind of
fell off the radar a little bit. I'd be giving
Feenale the six, Savia the seven, Satiti the eight, and
I would give Peter Larkey the twenty jumper. That's the
way i'd do it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What of you you can twist my arm around that.
Then maybe the trial by five of starting against the
French with Lakeye it might be too much, but you
find out pretty fast what they're made out of when
you throw them in that position and just see. I
wonder if Scott Robertson is up to doing something like that.
It's quite the role, it's quite the shake. But you
(15:16):
don't know. I wouldn't mind if they went your way, absolutely,
But you ask me what i'd do, and I'm a
harsh task master.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, I wouldn't mind your way either, I really wouldn't.
It's and that's the beauty of it. As you say,
none of these teams have to play now, we just
have to pick them. And with no mark to laya
on the right wing, it feels like sever reesel come in.
Could he possibly I mean, would you possibly move Will
Jordan back to the wing and play Pelifetta or even
Ruben Love at full back?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Absolutely not. It's taken long enough to get Jordan and
we've seen what he can do and he's getting really
comfortable in that role. Don't mess with it. You don't
mess with a number of positions to cover one. Leave
him where he is. I'm going to probably live to
regret that one and I'll move it. But if it's
my team now, he stays right, whereas Severies comes in,
(16:02):
Caleb Clarke have've got the same midfield happy days.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, I tend to agree. In fact, I don't tend to.
I one hundred percent agree. I'd be living Jordan at
four back. What about road?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
What about Roy Guard? Does does he start this time
around and they live with Courte?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I go Roy Guard? I go Roy Guard? Would you
go Royguard?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah? And I go Roy Guard. He's proven enough that
he's back in, and I think that maybe the weight
of selection at this early stage Courtsi's maybe felt that
a wee bit at the start, so maybe relieve some
pressure off him on the bench.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, he started against England and Ireland. I think I
think you said to Quartez, yeah, WA's the first hour.
And I think also Royguard deserves a start. You know,
he's only started this year against Japan. I think this
is his time to wear that nine jumper again.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You has the big story of the entire tour. What
do you do with the grout?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You know what? I would bring him in and I
think offered all the fuss he stays in that seventeen jumper.
I think has impact off the bench has been excellent.
I would bring to Grout in for Williams. I think
Williams has been good against Japan, England Island and three
consecutive tests. I would put Guton. Would you put to Gruton?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He hasn't played for a couple of weeks, but as
they say, and as Jason Ryan said, they've been training
the house down, anything would be a good pick in there.
You know, we need a game show where we actually
get to go and select and coach an all black team.
Do you think people would buy into that or not?
You know, I think those reality shows you you are,
(17:32):
you've got a clipball? What do you know about the game?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Just before we go, the All Whites play tomorrow night
they continue on their World Cup qualifying. Where are you
putting Chris Wood as far as as far as the
football as you admire, the sports people you admire in
terms of his desire to wear the silver fern.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Top shelf, it's got to be dias at least, can't
be any further. I think that when you look at
what he does, what he gets paid, the success he's
having over him, what a year you wouldn't read about
so far Chris would what he's achieved and the tyranny
of long distance travel that is hard, and then he's
got to play a game of football at each end
keep himself fit. It's almost impossible. So for him to
(18:14):
make that commitment Piney, and not just once, but he
does it every time he can. That is just so commendable.
He's right out with one of the superstars, brilliant man.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
As is usually the case, I don't have a lot
to add to your as always articulate thoughts on the matter,
so I'll just hold it's not an agreement and usher
you out of the chamber for another afternoon.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
If that's okay, I consider myself ushered. Goodbye dissecting the
sporting agenda it's Sportsfix with Jason Pine and Dussy Walter Grave.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello there, and welcome into a Thursday edition of the
Sports Fix podcast for November fourteen.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good have you with us? I'm Jason Pine. My name
is Darcy walder Grave. Running Shotgun with the Pine Man again.
Always a pleasure to do so, Jason, what have you
got coming up?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, I'm quite looking forward to playing selector with you.
I've got one, two, three, four, I've got five positions.
I'd like to get your view on as to what
you think your black selectors will do and what you
might do when they name their team for France. I
think it's revealed about five o'clock tomorrow morning. I want
to kick that round in the chamber with you. I
know you've got the doc on. I always enjoy listening
to John Mayhew.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Near doctor John Mayhew talking about concussion and the Curious
Tale of Tom Robinson. I don't know about you, Piney,
but I've heard of players trying to mask injury so
they get selected, but not players feigning injury so they
don't get selected. It's a strange one, but I think
in essence a good news story for rugby really again
(01:18):
highlighting the dangers around concussion.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Indeed indeed, and how far we've come in that regard.
All right, So the doc's coming up, the chambers coming up,
is a bit coming up. Let's get into it. In
other news, let's get started with some of the big
sports stories floating around today. Shri Lannka have won the
opening One Day cricket International against New Zealand and Dan Buller.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
There it is, there's the match in a good word for.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
The home sick New Zealand finished one seventy five for
nine chasing and adjusted two hundred and twenty one from
twenty seven overs earlier. Shri Lanka rapped up three hundred
and twenty four to five from forty nine point two overs.
New Zealand Rugby's manager of the professional game at Chris
Lendrom's keeping the door. Ajar over the possibility of a
(02:06):
super rugby draft, but says the prospect is unlikely for now.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
We're done in a certain way. Drafts and options create fans,
spectacle and interest. Totally get all of that, not saying
never at all we remain open minded, but it's not
on the agenda for the near team.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And keep it going. For Stephen, Elka wants to keep
playing professionally until he turns sixty after winning a second
season long crown on the PGA Champions Tour, saying that
is the biggest thing, and then you know from there
the drive is it?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
How long is it going to be there?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And if I'm just finishing forty to fifteenth in the
field and not having a chance, then it's probably time.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Leading a vex. We've got just the ticket. It's Sports
Vex Now, News Talks EVY.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
We'll join now on the program by doctor John Mayhew
as we take a look at the curious case of
Tom Robinson. John always good to chat to you. I
take it your will very well.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Thank you, Dartine.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This is a curious case, isn't that Tom Robinson coming
out and saying, look, I faked injury so I didn't
get selected for the All Blacks. And this is all
under the far of concussion that he experienced. He didn't
want to go any further. I've never heard of this before.
What about yourself? Normally they say I'm not injured so
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they can carry on playing. This is quite the turn up,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It is. I think you did right there. And I've
had a number of players who have had several head
injuries and then made decisions early in their career to
stop playing football. But they've done that quite publicly and say, look,
I've had two or three concussions, I'm twenty to one
to twenty two. I'm concerned they'll be long term problems,
and I'm going to cut my losses now. And that
(03:42):
made it's probably quite an intelligent, rational decision. What I
find quite unusual here as the player was hiding that
he was worried about head injury and avoiding playing, but
without telling people and the reason why he was avoiding playing.
So it's a bit unusual. And hopefully he's made a
full recovery from his head injuries, and he's probably made
(04:05):
a very wise decision to avoid the injury and get
on with his life in other areas and not so
for the consequences of repeated head injury. But the mystery is,
you know why he felt that he couldn't discuss that
with his medical advisors or coaches, and I had to
pretend he was injured to avoid selection.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Another story that I won't say will put the frighteners
up people, but again, it brings awareness to the nature
of head injury. I see it as being a positive
that he's done this, not a negative. But maybe that's
what he is thinking. Not that we can tell anyone
what he was thinking, because we simply don't know. But
this is a good news story.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
You think, Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I mean,
there's a number of players I've dealt with over the
last three or four years who've decided to retire because
of you know, what they deem as frequent head injuries,
and fortunately most of them are not brain damage to
any extent, but they're concerned about the future. And these
are often young graduates, you know, who've got other careers
(05:06):
ahead of them, and they've made it to say to say, well,
I care, I'm going to decrease the odds of further
damage by it by not playing. And I think that's
a very acceptable and very wise thing to do. When
they do that, you know, quite publicly, I'm disappointed that,
you know, a player this felt that he couldn't be
honest with his coaching staff, medical staff and say, look,
(05:26):
you know, I don't want to play because I'm worried
about heat injury, and I think it may be best
that I don't carry on playing, and that'd be the
way to do it. And I think in twenty twenty four,
you know, we're much more aware of the dangers of
head injury and it's certainly acceptable. We've gone past that
Marcho phase of you know, play on you know if
you can sort of thing, and I think it's a
(05:49):
wise thing to do. So I applaud him for doing
what he's doing, but it's a shame that he felt
that he had to sort of do it in a
surreptitious sort of way.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Dr John Mayhew joining the program. Back in the day,
people would hide injury so they would get selected. How
in this day and a difficult is it to hide
something like head injury? It's blanket covered. Everyone's very very
well aware of concussion, of head knocks, of how players
are affected. They've got video. But is it an easy
(06:19):
enough thing to mask? I don't know why you would,
but it's easy enough to mask in this day and age.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, it's certainly at the professional level now it's pretty
hard to get away with a player playing with head
injury because there are protocols in place all the training
and games of videos, so it's very hard to avoid
you know, that are being diagnosed with a head injury.
So I think that's unlikely. I mean, certainly at lower
levels or training where there's no video assessment and things
(06:46):
like that, injuries can occur. And often I still see
patients who say, look, I felt good after game, but
you know later on I had a headache, and then
you go through the tape and you find that you
know they may have had a head injury and you're
dealt with accordingly. But I think at the professional level
now players don't try to hide head injury. It's certainly
(07:08):
lower levels and even worse at visiting rugby levels, players
sometimes try to hide things and unfortunately sometimes the appearance
and coaches you know, go along with that as well.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
There is a standard standdown period for players, but I'm
presuming that head injury takes on and concussion a number
of different forms. So to have a blanket stand down
period is that idea? Is that accurate? Does that work
for you the average rugby player, not even your average bloke.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
What you're saying is definitely correct that I was in
a working party with ACC and we came up with
some guidelines for non professional sportsmen across all the sporting codes,
and we came up with a minimum of three weeks
standout if anyone suffers a head injury and then they
needed to be cleared by a medical professional, a doctor,
(07:59):
not a physio. Now that what we've got to deal
with here, Darcy, is it's very hard for the average
forcemen to get in to see a doctor, to get
access to all the neuropsychometric testing. So we made a
pragmatic decision which is the best for all concern and
what we're trying to say there that if you have
a hen indry it's going to be a minimum of
three weeks you're then going to have a conversation with
(08:21):
a medical professional who assesses you and decides whether you
can return to play or not. So it's not ideal,
I quite agree, but it's the best option we've got
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's gone on the up and up. Dot to John
Mayhewn just before we go the technology, the advance and
understanding around concussion not full proof yet, but in your mind,
getting closer to sorting this issue out as far as
finding out how you got your concussion, how long it's
going to last. As medical up now with what's going
(08:53):
on in concussion, they have a long way to go.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Or I think that certainly we're moving forward, and I
think New Zealand rugby has been very proactive and assessment
of concussion and management of that, and it issuing a
lot of research programs and is mostly doing more than
most other sport doing New Zealand. And certainly people can
get head injuries and sort of rollerblading and ice hockey
(09:16):
and things like that where there's no research going on.
The finger gets pointed at rugby the whole time, but
ironically it's the sport that's doing the most to try
and make their sport safest than the other sports can
learn from the information glean there. So I think, you know,
there's a lot of research done by sporting bodies and
by medical bodies, and we're trying to make the game
as safe as we possibly can.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
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Speaker 3 (09:43):
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The baddest man on the Planet, former undisputed world heavyweight
champion at the ripe old age of fifty eight. He's
climbing back into the squared circle again to punch a
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young man in the face. And when I say young,
I mean young. There's a thirty one year age difference
between the two characters. The other character the twenty seven
year old Jake Paul, a YouTuber and kind of professional boxer.
His record, well, eleven fights, ten wins, seven KOs, and
one loss up against Iron Mike, is that as many
(10:25):
pro fights as he's had years on the planet. Fifty
eight fights, fifty wins, forty four by knockout, and six losses.
That's an impressive record by anyone's measure. What does that
count for what's coming up on Sunday? Nothing at all.
This has been sanctioned as a fight. They've got bigger,
(10:46):
softer gloves. There are eight rounds of only two minutes,
so when it comes to boxing, it's more like reality
TV boxing than bona fide scrap. But that won't stop,
and I'd suggest millions and millions of people from tuning
in to Netflix to watch this brawl. It's like a
whole of people crowding around a freak show just to
(11:08):
see what happens. Plainly, I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't think anybody knows what's going to happen. Will
Jake Paul be humiliated by Iron Mike Tyson? All they
carry Mike Tyson out on a gurney is one thing
I do hope though, that when Mike Tyson walks into
the ring, he's got as black trunks and as little
(11:29):
black booties on, just like as helcyon days when he
was the baddest man on the planet.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Let us convene in the chamber for some discussion around
a couple of sporting issues. The main one, Dars I
want to get your view on, is what you think
your black selectors might do for this Test match against
France on Sunday morning, New Zealand time the team is
revealed tomorrow morning in the early hours. Can I give
you a couple of positions and get your view you can.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Indeed, just remembering one key thought here and every time
back in the day I spoke to Grant Fox before
he was an all Black selector about selections. You said,
it's all well and good dask, but this team never
has to play, so take it with a grain of salt.
And he's right, isn't he? We can all be selectors
on the couch, but our team doesn't have to play.
So do you want me to tell you who I
(12:23):
think is going to be selected or who should be selected?
Because that's quite the difference.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I want the second one of those. Please, I'd like
you to put yourself in the selector's books. I think
we can all. I think we can all say oh
we reckon, they'll do this, or they'll probably pick am.
What would you do if it was up to you
and I want to start in the front row? Are
you picking Asafa one Moor or Cody Taylor to start
this test match?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I'm picking Asafa L Moore because I thought it's reward
and for what he did and the two big stories
out of that game, well big for me anyway that
I suffer prove people that he can actually adjust and
change and get his game right, and he didn't run
out of steam. And Damien McKenzie, like I've been critical
of him in the past, but he put on a
master class. I've got to be impressive. I'm thinking that
(13:07):
they reward him for that, and then we have the
coming back from a head knock Cody Taylor to really
inject toward the end here. Okay, well, then you mentioned
Damian McKenzie there as well. I take it from that
then that you're giving him the keys to the car.
The number ten Jersey and Boden Barrett comes off the bench. Now.
I do like that idea, because Boden Barrett, of course,
can cover a number of possessions and short of a trot,
(13:29):
Damie McKenzie is not. So to me, it's a fairly
pragmatic decision, even though I think Boden's the better player.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay, so Amoa and mackenzie there, now, can you please
tell me your loose forward trio, remembering of course that
we don't have Sam Kaine available this weekend.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, the cat's a sort of been let out of
the bag by Scott Hansen, so I'd say that Larkye
will will he start? Yeah, let's go Larky to start
in at seven, and you leave Wallacetiti in at six,
and you leave the man in the boot where he belongs.
I know it's tempting for Adie Savia to move him
(14:06):
to the open side. But I think situation like this,
if you've got a new guy coming on in that
key role, you need some form of solidity with the
other two packs.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
If that makes sense, it does. I see what I
would do. I'd Havelaye coming off the reserves bench. I
would move Ardi to seven for this one. I'd give
Wallace Atti a run and that eight Jersey where he's
been so impressive for the Chiefs. Yes, I know he's
been amazing in six for the All Blacks, but I'd
reward some a penny female for a good couple of
impacts off the bench against England and Ireland after a
(14:38):
difficult Rugby championship for some a penny female. I would
give him a go in that six jumper. He started
against England in both tests in July then kind of
fell off the radar a little bit. I'd be giving
Feenale the six, Savia the seven, Satiti the eight, and
I would give Peter Larkey the twenty jumper. That's the
way i'd do it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What of you you can twist my arm around that.
Then maybe the trial by five of starting against the
French with Lakeye it might be too much, but you
find out pretty fast what they're made out of when
you throw them in that position and just see. I
wonder if Scott Robertson is up to doing something like that.
It's quite the role, it's quite the shake. But you
(15:16):
don't know. I wouldn't mind if they went your way, absolutely,
But you ask me what i'd do, and I'm a
harsh task master.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, I wouldn't mind your way either, I really wouldn't.
It's and that's the beauty of it. As you say,
none of these teams have to play now, we just
have to pick them. And with no mark to laya
on the right wing, it feels like sever reesel come in.
Could he possibly I mean, would you possibly move Will
Jordan back to the wing and play Pelifetta or even
Ruben Love at full back?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Absolutely not. It's taken long enough to get Jordan and
we've seen what he can do and he's getting really
comfortable in that role. Don't mess with it. You don't
mess with a number of positions to cover one. Leave
him where he is. I'm going to probably live to
regret that one and I'll move it. But if it's
my team now, he stays right, whereas Severies comes in,
(16:02):
Caleb Clarke have've got the same midfield happy days.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, I tend to agree. In fact, I don't tend to.
I one hundred percent agree. I'd be living Jordan at
four back. What about road?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
What about Roy Guard? Does does he start this time
around and they live with Courte?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I go Roy Guard? I go Roy Guard? Would you
go Royguard?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah? And I go Roy Guard. He's proven enough that
he's back in, and I think that maybe the weight
of selection at this early stage Courtsi's maybe felt that
a wee bit at the start, so maybe relieve some
pressure off him on the bench.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, he started against England and Ireland. I think I
think you said to Quartez, yeah, WA's the first hour.
And I think also Royguard deserves a start. You know,
he's only started this year against Japan. I think this
is his time to wear that nine jumper again.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You has the big story of the entire tour. What
do you do with the grout?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You know what? I would bring him in and I
think offered all the fuss he stays in that seventeen jumper.
I think has impact off the bench has been excellent.
I would bring to Grout in for Williams. I think
Williams has been good against Japan, England Island and three
consecutive tests. I would put Guton. Would you put to Gruton?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He hasn't played for a couple of weeks, but as
they say, and as Jason Ryan said, they've been training
the house down, anything would be a good pick in there.
You know, we need a game show where we actually
get to go and select and coach an all black team.
Do you think people would buy into that or not?
You know, I think those reality shows you you are,
(17:32):
you've got a clipball? What do you know about the game?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Just before we go, the All Whites play tomorrow night
they continue on their World Cup qualifying. Where are you
putting Chris Wood as far as as far as the
football as you admire, the sports people you admire in
terms of his desire to wear the silver fern.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Top shelf, it's got to be dias at least, can't
be any further. I think that when you look at
what he does, what he gets paid, the success he's
having over him, what a year you wouldn't read about
so far Chris would what he's achieved and the tyranny
of long distance travel that is hard, and then he's
got to play a game of football at each end
keep himself fit. It's almost impossible. So for him to
(18:14):
make that commitment Piney, and not just once, but he
does it every time he can. That is just so commendable.
He's right out with one of the superstars, brilliant man.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
As is usually the case, I don't have a lot
to add to your as always articulate thoughts on the matter,
so I'll just hold it's not an agreement and usher
you out of the chamber for another afternoon.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
If that's okay, I consider myself ushered. Goodbye dissecting the
sporting agenda it's Sportsfix with Jason Pine and Dussy Walter Grave.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
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asked for another edition of the Sports Fix podcast. Don't worry, though,
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