November 12, 2024 • 21 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Wednesday 13th November 2024, GM of Professional Rugby at NZR Chris Lendrum talks about whether the Blues should share around their first fives - is three too many?
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on the beauty of the Black Caps returning to the Plunkett Shield.
Plus, Newstalk ZB sport journalist Nathan Limm joins the panel to discuss the future of 'Fast5' netball.
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Speaker 4 (00:22):
Hello there, and welcome on into the Sports Fix. You're
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and a bite sizer bundle. It is a Wednesday. It's
the thirteenth of November twenty twenty four. My name is
Darcy Waltergrave lined up for you. In this edition, we're
going to talk about the hoarding of first five to eighths.
(00:43):
The general manager of Professional Rugby four ends at, Chris Lendram,
joins us to talk about that. I've got some opinion
and attitude as well around what's happening overnights as the
black Caps take on at Sri Lanka in the start
of a three match one Day International series. We've played
one day international cricket the best part of a year.
(01:04):
It is crazy. Then joining me in the chamber sports
news writer, reporter and podcaster Nathan Limb as we take
a look at the big sports stories of the day.
That's what we're up to, so let's get into it.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
In other news, said, will we listen now to today's
sports newsmakers starting with what us the teat year's breakout
loose Ford success story.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Can see the end of year's tour's end if that
makes seeds, but it needs to keep firmly focused on
the right here right now.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I think you know where to sort of backing of
oars all now and I think it's flickst and stay
on task and you really show how we care about
our game.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Or to Tahi christ Church, their host of Neeples Fast
five series for the last three years have done it
so well. World Netball punching at the vice president Shirley
Hooper knows a good thing when she sees it.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
We definitely see the opportunity to grow the form of
the sport and to take it around different world to
unlock interest. Sevens have done something similar in gyms of
unlocking interest when they play it in the US and All.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
White midfielder Matt Garbett is very appreciative of EPL striker
Chris Woods continued dedication to New Zealand football and why
wouldn't he be.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
You're putting them up with the names of you know,
Harland and the top goal scorers in Europe to do
that in the Premier League and think Forrests are about
fourth or fifth in the Premier League. So to have
him in the every All Whites camp early, it's good
for the squad and it's good for the teammates, you know,
to see a player in the Premier League wants to
come in and play for his country.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Chris was the EPL player for the month for October.
And we'll strutter stuff by against Savanahatu and Friday's Hamilton
based World Cup qualified get in And that's Sport today leading.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports vix By News.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
We'll joined it now by Chris Alendram. Here is New
Zealand Rugby's GM of Professional Rugby. Welcome to the show,
mister Lenjum. Good to have you ony interesting story floating
around at the moment. Now the Super Rugby squads have
all come out released ready for another epic yet next year.
And there's the distribution of first five eighth talent right
(03:25):
across all of the Super franchise. I suppose first out,
what's ended our's position on where our best first five
talent goes, How it's distributed.
Speaker 8 (03:35):
Yeah, Well, the first thing I'd say is great that
people are engaged in talking about our squads with such energy,
So that's weird. Tens have resided across New Zealand's been
a part of Super rugby history for over twenty years,
I guess, so it's pleasing to see in some ways
people taking a view on all of this in the
(03:56):
last twenty four hours. Look fundamentally, our view is that
the players get to determine where they want to play
under contract, and we don't really take a view as
an organization. We actually can't offer a player any more
from New Zealand Rugby in terms of an all Blacks
(04:18):
top up depending on where they're playing their rugby, so
we can't say to them it'd be worth more to
us if you went down south or came up north
or whatever. We just want to create an environment where
players make decisions based around the best opportunity for them,
you know, and kind of let it go from there.
(04:39):
It's important that the players have agency and where they
decide to play in their own careers, so it's our approach.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You've got to develop talent first five. We know how
important that role is and so to spread the riches,
I suppose we look at someone like Malachi not wrong position,
but he disappeared from Blues to go down Southway, but
then he became an All Black. But you can't determine
that the players will make that decision because you're thinking,
(05:08):
surely it's better to have someone playing than sitting on
a bench watching someone else play.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
I think Maloka is a great example does because he
saw that opportunity wasn't going to get access at the Blues,
and actually in that case, the two clubs work together
to cracker deal. And you're right, he then became a
Highlanders legend, didn't they in an All Black? Wassaki Naholo
was similar around the same time. So these things do happen,
(05:36):
and players will seek to move for playing opportunity. But
there's a whole range of factors that go into their
decision making. Obviously, access to opportunity is one. There might
be family or personal reasons they're important for them to
be in a particular venue, And like I said, I
think it's just important that the players are able to
weigh that up independent of any organization trying to be
(05:59):
the invisible hand moving them around. That's sort of not
the way our employment model and our partnership with our
players is geared up here and look, you know, heads
off to the Blues in this instance. You know they've
got three real quality players in terms of the three
that people are talking about, Boden, Stephen, Harry obviously, but
(06:20):
it's only in the last few months that Harry's becoming
all Black. They can all play multiple positions, you know,
both Stephen and Boden can play ten and fifteen. And
the Blues have done a great job of succession planning
in that space, and we want to reward and enable
clubs to again have ownership of their succession planning. They've
(06:41):
done a good job in this space. There's other clubs
have done in the past and other areas, so it's
part of the competition, you know, and happy with how
it's played out here.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oli Chris Lendrum placed around the depth of talent. I
won't say crisis because that's a horrible word, but insed
are and across the super clubs happy enough with the
players that are there, are about to step up because
we know that spot's been dominated for a few years
by a couple of outstanding players, but have we got
(07:15):
the talent coming through in the next couple of years.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
Do you think, well, I think we're really happy. I mean,
it's easy and we're as guilty as this as administrators
and talent spotters as anybody else, any fan or commentator
of thinking about players and thinking about them were really
static mindset. And look at Harry Plumber last year. You know,
(07:40):
not many people probably would have put Harry in the
discussion around at ten at the All Blacks and he
had a terrific Super Rugby campaign and now he's in
that discussion. These guys just don't stay at the same
point dusk. They improve and grow and evolve, we hope
over time with good coaching and good environments wrapped around them.
(08:01):
At Super Rugby and NPC level, you always would love
more depth than any given position. But at ten, you know,
we're a better question for our All Blacks coaches probably,
but we're pretty comfortable. You know, we're a really good
twenties campaign. We've got some young players filtering through now
into Super Rugby from NPC. You know, Josh Jacob was
a name that not many people knew about fifteen months ago.
(08:23):
He's just been away with the All Blacks fifteen. You know,
Stephen himself has had a long Steven Paara Fetter has
had a long career at super rugby level from hell
back with injury. He's coming good consistently now as well.
There's lots to be to be really excited about in
that space. So we're just focused on improving and supporting
(08:46):
the players who are here to get better and you know,
comfortable with where we're at for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Chris. Always great to have you on. You've got to
finish this at this time of year. There's always a
debate that raises his head around changing the model and
looking at a draft instead. Is that ever considered happy
enough of the model you've got. Did you look at
it from year to you and say, hey, maybe this
needs to be adjusted.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
If I answer your second question first, we're really happy
yesterday and today we've announced five strong Super rugby squads
for the New Zealand teams. You've got a stronger looking
more One pacifica Drewer club you know, and Australian teams.
Obviously with the departure of the Rebels, there's been a
bit of a reallocation of players in there, and some
pretty strong looking teams on paper, and all three of
(09:35):
those core national unions that participate directly in the competition,
had wins over the weekend up North, so we feel
really good right And to your probably your first question
around the draft, it's it's not something that's a priority
for us right now. We know all about the drafts
(09:55):
that happen in other sports. We know that when done
in a certain way, drafts and options create fans, spectacle
and interest. Totally get all of that that is of
interest to us in the long term. But when you're
all so fielding an international team whose job it is
to win every time they take the field, you've just
(10:15):
got to balance all of the dynamics in your system
and make sure it's right for you. Right So a
draft could work conceivably in Super rugby in the future.
It's not something we're closed off to at all. We'll
keep chatting with Super Rugby, Pacific Competition and Rugby Australia
and Fiji, Sam or Tonga. But it needs to be
(10:38):
done when you know, it needs to be considered at
a time when all those unions are in a position
of strength and have a high performance system that can
that can underpin up. So yeah, not saying never at all,
we remain open minded, but it's not on the agenda
for the near two.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Chris Lendum, General manager of Professional Rugby for ends are
as always, thanks very much for your time and your explanations.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Cheers, pleasure that good to talk.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
This is sports your daily does of sports news. How
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Speaker 4 (11:14):
The Black Abs have not played a game of One
day International cricket since the twenty third of December last year.
That was a loss among the Desh, incidentally in Napier.
So finally on with a colored clothes again and back
to the altar of one day international cricket. Seems an
(11:35):
odd time to have a series like this. There was two,
only two, even stranger t twenty internationals. There are three
One day Internationals and this has all been shoehorned in
between the most magnificent Test Series victory in New Zealand's
history and hopefully a whipping of the English when they
(11:55):
come for yet another Test Series victory. Plainly, the champions
trophy is on the horizon. That's why New Zealand have
climbed into action again in one day international cricket. What
I'm enjoying about this is they have taken when I
say they the selectors and New Zealand cricket a very
sensible attitude toward the selection of the team. The most
(12:18):
important thing for us, let's face it, it is the
English Test series coming up. So our best players aren't
over in Sri Lanka. They are here in New Zealand
playing plunket shield, learning to get the best out of
their talent, out of their bodies, out of their attitude
on pictures that they'll be playing on against England at
(12:38):
the start of that tour. No, they're not going to
overwork them. They don't with Willow Rourke. But our best
bats and our best bowlers are here preparing for this
key series. But over in Sri Lanka there are a
number of players who will also be involved that are
i suppose sharpening their blade, the likes of Glenn Phillips,
(12:59):
the lights of Mitchell Santna, and there'll be a few men,
a few players there who'll be trying to knock on
or kicking the door for future selection. It's going to
be an interesting three games. For what's of more interest
to me and everybody else is with the English tour.
Can New Zealand smash the way toward a World Test
(13:20):
Championship Final again. We'll see in the meantime, go well
and Sri Lanka. Guys.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And joining me in the chamber today is that Nathan Limb,
sports news journalist, podcaster and the like news talk zb's
finest young talent. I can say that because no one
else is listening and I want to get all angry
at me for taking someone else. Great to have you
in here, Nathan. Interesting today Around the Fast five another
resoundingly good tournament. Miss you're a silver fern or fast
(13:53):
fernit which it wasn't.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
So good, but I think they'd still consider it a
good tournament. They had a number of great moments and
made the grand final, couldn't get over the line.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But is it all about winning the grand finals or
is it about trying hard to get.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
There trophies and the success?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Well they did and now they're pinching it. So what
Just explain what's happening next? Because christ Church christ Juch
had it for three years and there was all these
international teams coming out. It's a really interesting form of
netball because it's lightning fast and they want to take
it globally and they want to stretch it further. What's
their plans around this?
Speaker 9 (14:30):
Yeah, so basically christ Church had the hosting rights for
three years and they've done a really really good job.
World Netball are really happy with how Netball New Zealand
and Auto Dahi Christchurch have developed this competition. They've turned
it into a really exciting entertainment product. The New Zealand
crowds have been absolutely fantastic and now because of the
success and everyone can see how much fun it is
(14:50):
and how it captures the viewer's attention. A number of
other entities that they've been described to me have voice
interest in this, and World Netball are looking at where
they can take these sorts of competitions to non traditional
netball nations. So obviously the World Cup in South Africa
last was a huge success for World Netball and they're like, okay, well,
(15:12):
how can we take these competitions to places other than
the UK, New Zealand and Australia and have success in
a more global scale. The Fast five format has that
sort of entertainment value.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
As should netball, isn't it It's all over in two days.
It's like wow, what just happened there exactly?
Speaker 9 (15:27):
And so much came out of it, so they're like,
how can we grow the game and move these tournaments
to other parts of the world. And they're going to
explore the commercial opportunities to see if it can become
more than just a one off annual tournament. Could we
have a few fast five tournaments letter throughout the year,
sort of in the same way that SEVENS has developed
in the rugby space. They're looking at the way you
(15:48):
know SEVENS has been taken to the US to try
and expand the market. They're effectively looking to do something
similar in different parts of the netballing world.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
So how would that work? They probably haven't gone through
the minor detail on this year around clashing with international
tours of full length netball? Is there enough room in
space to do that? Because they want to see the
best around, don't they?
Speaker 9 (16:10):
I would think that there is enough room, Darcy, because
we're not going to have a quad Nation series in
January in early twenty twenty five, so actually the sort
fans aren't going to play again until the middle of
next year at this point, so there is a huge
gap I think in the calendar, and I think they
could make it work with an Z like you know,
the domestic competitions, they just sort of have to work
that out and organize it. But in regards to five
(16:32):
to five that they're fast five, they're coming up with
basically a bidding process. So it'd be like a World Cup.
Nations can come off and put together a bit of
proposal to host.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Who do you like who would take it on board?
I mean the current netball strongholds right now.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
Well, I mean the obvious contenders would be New Zealand,
England and Australia. But because they're looking at trying to
take it to non traditional netball nations, I would say
the front run is actually South Africa given the success
they hand with the World Cup, and they actually hosted
the COAD nation's pre World Cup there as well as
like a dress rehearsal, so we actually know that South
Africa has a real potential to host a tournament and
they'd do a great job. They had really good crowds there.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Nathan lnd Joy in the chamber, interesting story doing the
rounds at the moment around the Blues have basically ensnared
and trapped all the first five eighths in Super Rugby.
I don't know if that's necessarily the case because the
players they've got can play a number of different positions.
But when you look at All Black first fives, they've got.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Quite a few of them.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I'm more interested in the dearth of quality first fives
in super rugby around the nation. Is that problematically think
or not?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well?
Speaker 9 (17:42):
I mean a part of this is because obviously Brett
Cameron suffered a season ending knee injury. Aiden Morgan's gone overseas,
so the Hurricanes have lost their two best first five,
which I think just opens up this problem a lot more.
And when you've got obviously, over the last decade, the
All Blacks ranks have been dominated by the lights of
Boden about Richie Mulwanga, and we've had it sort of
a year or two where a lot of them have
(18:04):
all gone overseas. So there was always going to be
this little gap in death because there just hasn't been
the opportunity because of those players, for the younger talent
to come through. And now we're in a situation where
actually our two options are fairly in experience. If you
look at you know, the Hurricanes have had to bring
in Raley ju Heppa Tane Robinson's I believe it's gone
there as well, Lucas cashmore rather from the Blues and
(18:27):
now they're in a situation where the likes of Tahakmara
and Reverz Rayhanna actually become the first choice options along
with bringing James O'Connor, And of course for the Crusaders,
the Highlanders are in a similar.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
James O'Connor, what are they doing exactly?
Speaker 9 (18:41):
But you kind of you kind of do want an
experienced head to mentor those young people.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
That fell apart from last year the Crusaders they really
felt that, didn't They constantly changing between tens. That's that's
impossible as well. What about the likes of Ruben Love
and Calm Trask and the like as well, they're still thereabouts.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Or yeah, well it's it's sort of like how many
different positions do we want these guys to play, because yeah,
Rubin Love could come into the first five jumper, but
he's very established at fullback. That's that's where we've known
them to play. And we're always doing this thing. We're
trying to move players around it and if you want
to build that depth, you need to just put players
in and give them.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
An opt fullback as well. He's playing at Blues, but
he could be used at first five eighth. Then Plumbers
a second five that he could be used at first five,
and boden Bar it's a fullback first five as well.
It's a little chaotic, yeah, it is.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
And the Blues are in the position where they're basically
just hogging all allowed to.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
This is kosher, right. The Crusaders did that for years.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
They're allowed to, and we, obviously New Zealands is in
a situation where we're not like the bigger American leagues.
It's not like each franchise owns the players and can
sell them and trade them and make them do whatever
they want. The players have it pretty much all of
the autonomy as long as it's within the confines of
the contracts that they signed. But the players are in
the position of power here. So if all three of
them want to stay in Auckland, they want to stay
with the Blues, then all power to them.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
INJEDA is not going to tell them what to do.
They've said that they're not interested in doing that. But
does that mean they've got some of the quality not
going to be playing all of the time when they
could maybe plug a gap. I don't think that's the case.
I think you've got the worry of injury and you
have whatever players you can. You need to protect yourself
and you need to protect your title, do don't you, Nathan?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
I agree? And also you could think of it from
the perspective really from a player self as percispective. If
I'm Harry Plummer or I'm Steph Pittfetter, and i think, oh,
my game time at ten month be limited now that
Bowden Barret's here, But I'd walk into a starting jersey
at the Highlanders or the Crusaders. They're obviously still choosing
to remain with the Blues because the opportunity surely would
be there for them if they if they voiced interest,
(20:39):
And they are choosing to stick where they're at, and
that's their decision.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And they like living in Auckland, and there's nothing so
bad about that, it doesn't I suppose The next quest
around that is, though injury, someone's going to break. They're
not going to stay fit all the way through the end.
You've got to count that in for your planning, don't you.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Yeah, exactly, Like there's three of them there who can play,
but they're all going to get runs in that team.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Jumper on your Nathan Lin. We should drag you off
computer more often than not. Thanks for joining us here
in the chamber of mate.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
You go well, you two doth.
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Hello there, and welcome on into the Sports Fix. You're
home of all the sports news you need tied up
and a bite sizer bundle. It is a Wednesday. It's
the thirteenth of November twenty twenty four. My name is
Darcy Waltergrave lined up for you. In this edition, we're
going to talk about the hoarding of first five to eighths.
(00:43):
The general manager of Professional Rugby four ends at, Chris Lendram,
joins us to talk about that. I've got some opinion
and attitude as well around what's happening overnights as the
black Caps take on at Sri Lanka in the start
of a three match one Day International series. We've played
one day international cricket the best part of a year.
(01:04):
It is crazy. Then joining me in the chamber sports
news writer, reporter and podcaster Nathan Limb as we take
a look at the big sports stories of the day.
That's what we're up to, so let's get into it.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
In other news, said, will we listen now to today's
sports newsmakers starting with what us the teat year's breakout
loose Ford success story.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Can see the end of year's tour's end if that
makes seeds, but it needs to keep firmly focused on
the right here right now.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I think you know where to sort of backing of
oars all now and I think it's flickst and stay
on task and you really show how we care about
our game.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Or to Tahi christ Church, their host of Neeples Fast
five series for the last three years have done it
so well. World Netball punching at the vice president Shirley
Hooper knows a good thing when she sees it.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
We definitely see the opportunity to grow the form of
the sport and to take it around different world to
unlock interest. Sevens have done something similar in gyms of
unlocking interest when they play it in the US and All.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
White midfielder Matt Garbett is very appreciative of EPL striker
Chris Woods continued dedication to New Zealand football and why
wouldn't he be.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
You're putting them up with the names of you know,
Harland and the top goal scorers in Europe to do
that in the Premier League and think Forrests are about
fourth or fifth in the Premier League. So to have
him in the every All Whites camp early, it's good
for the squad and it's good for the teammates, you know,
to see a player in the Premier League wants to
come in and play for his country.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Chris was the EPL player for the month for October.
And we'll strutter stuff by against Savanahatu and Friday's Hamilton
based World Cup qualified get in And that's Sport today leading.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports vix By News.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
We'll joined it now by Chris Alendram. Here is New
Zealand Rugby's GM of Professional Rugby. Welcome to the show,
mister Lenjum. Good to have you ony interesting story floating
around at the moment. Now the Super Rugby squads have
all come out released ready for another epic yet next year.
And there's the distribution of first five eighth talent right
(03:25):
across all of the Super franchise. I suppose first out,
what's ended our's position on where our best first five
talent goes, How it's distributed.
Speaker 8 (03:35):
Yeah, Well, the first thing I'd say is great that
people are engaged in talking about our squads with such energy,
So that's weird. Tens have resided across New Zealand's been
a part of Super rugby history for over twenty years,
I guess, so it's pleasing to see in some ways
people taking a view on all of this in the
(03:56):
last twenty four hours. Look fundamentally, our view is that
the players get to determine where they want to play
under contract, and we don't really take a view as
an organization. We actually can't offer a player any more
from New Zealand Rugby in terms of an all Blacks
(04:18):
top up depending on where they're playing their rugby, so
we can't say to them it'd be worth more to
us if you went down south or came up north
or whatever. We just want to create an environment where
players make decisions based around the best opportunity for them,
you know, and kind of let it go from there.
(04:39):
It's important that the players have agency and where they
decide to play in their own careers, so it's our approach.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You've got to develop talent first five. We know how
important that role is and so to spread the riches,
I suppose we look at someone like Malachi not wrong position,
but he disappeared from Blues to go down Southway, but
then he became an All Black. But you can't determine
that the players will make that decision because you're thinking,
(05:08):
surely it's better to have someone playing than sitting on
a bench watching someone else play.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
I think Maloka is a great example does because he
saw that opportunity wasn't going to get access at the Blues,
and actually in that case, the two clubs work together
to cracker deal. And you're right, he then became a
Highlanders legend, didn't they in an All Black? Wassaki Naholo
was similar around the same time. So these things do happen,
(05:36):
and players will seek to move for playing opportunity. But
there's a whole range of factors that go into their
decision making. Obviously, access to opportunity is one. There might
be family or personal reasons they're important for them to
be in a particular venue, And like I said, I
think it's just important that the players are able to
weigh that up independent of any organization trying to be
(05:59):
the invisible hand moving them around. That's sort of not
the way our employment model and our partnership with our
players is geared up here and look, you know, heads
off to the Blues in this instance. You know they've
got three real quality players in terms of the three
that people are talking about, Boden, Stephen, Harry obviously, but
(06:20):
it's only in the last few months that Harry's becoming
all Black. They can all play multiple positions, you know,
both Stephen and Boden can play ten and fifteen. And
the Blues have done a great job of succession planning
in that space, and we want to reward and enable
clubs to again have ownership of their succession planning. They've
(06:41):
done a good job in this space. There's other clubs
have done in the past and other areas, so it's
part of the competition, you know, and happy with how
it's played out here.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oli Chris Lendrum placed around the depth of talent. I
won't say crisis because that's a horrible word, but insed
are and across the super clubs happy enough with the
players that are there, are about to step up because
we know that spot's been dominated for a few years
by a couple of outstanding players, but have we got
(07:15):
the talent coming through in the next couple of years.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
Do you think, well, I think we're really happy. I mean,
it's easy and we're as guilty as this as administrators
and talent spotters as anybody else, any fan or commentator
of thinking about players and thinking about them were really
static mindset. And look at Harry Plumber last year. You know,
(07:40):
not many people probably would have put Harry in the
discussion around at ten at the All Blacks and he
had a terrific Super Rugby campaign and now he's in
that discussion. These guys just don't stay at the same
point dusk. They improve and grow and evolve, we hope
over time with good coaching and good environments wrapped around them.
(08:01):
At Super Rugby and NPC level, you always would love
more depth than any given position. But at ten, you know,
we're a better question for our All Blacks coaches probably,
but we're pretty comfortable. You know, we're a really good
twenties campaign. We've got some young players filtering through now
into Super Rugby from NPC. You know, Josh Jacob was
a name that not many people knew about fifteen months ago.
(08:23):
He's just been away with the All Blacks fifteen. You know,
Stephen himself has had a long Steven Paara Fetter has
had a long career at super rugby level from hell
back with injury. He's coming good consistently now as well.
There's lots to be to be really excited about in
that space. So we're just focused on improving and supporting
(08:46):
the players who are here to get better and you know,
comfortable with where we're at for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Chris. Always great to have you on. You've got to
finish this at this time of year. There's always a
debate that raises his head around changing the model and
looking at a draft instead. Is that ever considered happy
enough of the model you've got. Did you look at
it from year to you and say, hey, maybe this
needs to be adjusted.
Speaker 8 (09:10):
If I answer your second question first, we're really happy
yesterday and today we've announced five strong Super rugby squads
for the New Zealand teams. You've got a stronger looking
more One pacifica Drewer club you know, and Australian teams.
Obviously with the departure of the Rebels, there's been a
bit of a reallocation of players in there, and some
pretty strong looking teams on paper, and all three of
(09:35):
those core national unions that participate directly in the competition,
had wins over the weekend up North, so we feel
really good right And to your probably your first question
around the draft, it's it's not something that's a priority
for us right now. We know all about the drafts
(09:55):
that happen in other sports. We know that when done
in a certain way, drafts and options create fans, spectacle
and interest. Totally get all of that that is of
interest to us in the long term. But when you're
all so fielding an international team whose job it is
to win every time they take the field, you've just
(10:15):
got to balance all of the dynamics in your system
and make sure it's right for you. Right So a
draft could work conceivably in Super rugby in the future.
It's not something we're closed off to at all. We'll
keep chatting with Super Rugby, Pacific Competition and Rugby Australia
and Fiji, Sam or Tonga. But it needs to be
(10:38):
done when you know, it needs to be considered at
a time when all those unions are in a position
of strength and have a high performance system that can
that can underpin up. So yeah, not saying never at all,
we remain open minded, but it's not on the agenda
for the near two.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Chris Lendum, General manager of Professional Rugby for ends are
as always, thanks very much for your time and your explanations.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Cheers, pleasure that good to talk.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
This is sports your daily does of sports news. How
in by news talks they be.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
The Black Abs have not played a game of One
day International cricket since the twenty third of December last year.
That was a loss among the Desh, incidentally in Napier.
So finally on with a colored clothes again and back
to the altar of one day international cricket. Seems an
(11:35):
odd time to have a series like this. There was two,
only two, even stranger t twenty internationals. There are three
One day Internationals and this has all been shoehorned in
between the most magnificent Test Series victory in New Zealand's
history and hopefully a whipping of the English when they
(11:55):
come for yet another Test Series victory. Plainly, the champions
trophy is on the horizon. That's why New Zealand have
climbed into action again in one day international cricket. What
I'm enjoying about this is they have taken when I
say they the selectors and New Zealand cricket a very
sensible attitude toward the selection of the team. The most
(12:18):
important thing for us, let's face it, it is the
English Test series coming up. So our best players aren't
over in Sri Lanka. They are here in New Zealand
playing plunket shield, learning to get the best out of
their talent, out of their bodies, out of their attitude
on pictures that they'll be playing on against England at
(12:38):
the start of that tour. No, they're not going to
overwork them. They don't with Willow Rourke. But our best
bats and our best bowlers are here preparing for this
key series. But over in Sri Lanka there are a
number of players who will also be involved that are
i suppose sharpening their blade, the likes of Glenn Phillips,
(12:59):
the lights of Mitchell Santna, and there'll be a few men,
a few players there who'll be trying to knock on
or kicking the door for future selection. It's going to
be an interesting three games. For what's of more interest
to me and everybody else is with the English tour.
Can New Zealand smash the way toward a World Test
(13:20):
Championship Final again. We'll see in the meantime, go well
and Sri Lanka. Guys.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And joining me in the chamber today is that Nathan Limb,
sports news journalist, podcaster and the like news talk zb's
finest young talent. I can say that because no one
else is listening and I want to get all angry
at me for taking someone else. Great to have you
in here, Nathan. Interesting today Around the Fast five another
resoundingly good tournament. Miss you're a silver fern or fast
(13:53):
fernit which it wasn't.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
So good, but I think they'd still consider it a
good tournament. They had a number of great moments and
made the grand final, couldn't get over the line.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But is it all about winning the grand finals or
is it about trying hard to get.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
There trophies and the success?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Well they did and now they're pinching it. So what
Just explain what's happening next? Because christ Church christ Juch
had it for three years and there was all these
international teams coming out. It's a really interesting form of
netball because it's lightning fast and they want to take
it globally and they want to stretch it further. What's
their plans around this?
Speaker 9 (14:30):
Yeah, so basically christ Church had the hosting rights for
three years and they've done a really really good job.
World Netball are really happy with how Netball New Zealand
and Auto Dahi Christchurch have developed this competition. They've turned
it into a really exciting entertainment product. The New Zealand
crowds have been absolutely fantastic and now because of the
success and everyone can see how much fun it is
(14:50):
and how it captures the viewer's attention. A number of
other entities that they've been described to me have voice
interest in this, and World Netball are looking at where
they can take these sorts of competitions to non traditional
netball nations. So obviously the World Cup in South Africa
last was a huge success for World Netball and they're like, okay, well,
(15:12):
how can we take these competitions to places other than
the UK, New Zealand and Australia and have success in
a more global scale. The Fast five format has that
sort of entertainment value.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
As should netball, isn't it It's all over in two days.
It's like wow, what just happened there exactly?
Speaker 9 (15:27):
And so much came out of it, so they're like,
how can we grow the game and move these tournaments
to other parts of the world. And they're going to
explore the commercial opportunities to see if it can become
more than just a one off annual tournament. Could we
have a few fast five tournaments letter throughout the year,
sort of in the same way that SEVENS has developed
in the rugby space. They're looking at the way you
(15:48):
know SEVENS has been taken to the US to try
and expand the market. They're effectively looking to do something
similar in different parts of the netballing world.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
So how would that work? They probably haven't gone through
the minor detail on this year around clashing with international
tours of full length netball? Is there enough room in
space to do that? Because they want to see the
best around, don't they?
Speaker 9 (16:10):
I would think that there is enough room, Darcy, because
we're not going to have a quad Nation series in
January in early twenty twenty five, so actually the sort
fans aren't going to play again until the middle of
next year at this point, so there is a huge
gap I think in the calendar, and I think they
could make it work with an Z like you know,
the domestic competitions, they just sort of have to work
that out and organize it. But in regards to five
(16:32):
to five that they're fast five, they're coming up with
basically a bidding process. So it'd be like a World Cup.
Nations can come off and put together a bit of
proposal to host.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Who do you like who would take it on board?
I mean the current netball strongholds right now.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
Well, I mean the obvious contenders would be New Zealand,
England and Australia. But because they're looking at trying to
take it to non traditional netball nations, I would say
the front run is actually South Africa given the success
they hand with the World Cup, and they actually hosted
the COAD nation's pre World Cup there as well as
like a dress rehearsal, so we actually know that South
Africa has a real potential to host a tournament and
they'd do a great job. They had really good crowds there.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Nathan lnd Joy in the chamber, interesting story doing the
rounds at the moment around the Blues have basically ensnared
and trapped all the first five eighths in Super Rugby.
I don't know if that's necessarily the case because the
players they've got can play a number of different positions.
But when you look at All Black first fives, they've got.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Quite a few of them.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I'm more interested in the dearth of quality first fives
in super rugby around the nation. Is that problematically think
or not?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well?
Speaker 9 (17:42):
I mean a part of this is because obviously Brett
Cameron suffered a season ending knee injury. Aiden Morgan's gone overseas,
so the Hurricanes have lost their two best first five,
which I think just opens up this problem a lot more.
And when you've got obviously, over the last decade, the
All Blacks ranks have been dominated by the lights of
Boden about Richie Mulwanga, and we've had it sort of
a year or two where a lot of them have
(18:04):
all gone overseas. So there was always going to be
this little gap in death because there just hasn't been
the opportunity because of those players, for the younger talent
to come through. And now we're in a situation where
actually our two options are fairly in experience. If you
look at you know, the Hurricanes have had to bring
in Raley ju Heppa Tane Robinson's I believe it's gone
there as well, Lucas cashmore rather from the Blues and
(18:27):
now they're in a situation where the likes of Tahakmara
and Reverz Rayhanna actually become the first choice options along
with bringing James O'Connor, And of course for the Crusaders,
the Highlanders are in a similar.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
James O'Connor, what are they doing exactly?
Speaker 9 (18:41):
But you kind of you kind of do want an
experienced head to mentor those young people.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
That fell apart from last year the Crusaders they really
felt that, didn't They constantly changing between tens. That's that's
impossible as well. What about the likes of Ruben Love
and Calm Trask and the like as well, they're still thereabouts.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Or yeah, well it's it's sort of like how many
different positions do we want these guys to play, because yeah,
Rubin Love could come into the first five jumper, but
he's very established at fullback. That's that's where we've known
them to play. And we're always doing this thing. We're
trying to move players around it and if you want
to build that depth, you need to just put players
in and give them.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
An opt fullback as well. He's playing at Blues, but
he could be used at first five eighth. Then Plumbers
a second five that he could be used at first five,
and boden Bar it's a fullback first five as well.
It's a little chaotic, yeah, it is.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
And the Blues are in the position where they're basically
just hogging all allowed to.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
This is kosher, right. The Crusaders did that for years.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
They're allowed to, and we, obviously New Zealands is in
a situation where we're not like the bigger American leagues.
It's not like each franchise owns the players and can
sell them and trade them and make them do whatever
they want. The players have it pretty much all of
the autonomy as long as it's within the confines of
the contracts that they signed. But the players are in
the position of power here. So if all three of
them want to stay in Auckland, they want to stay
with the Blues, then all power to them.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
INJEDA is not going to tell them what to do.
They've said that they're not interested in doing that. But
does that mean they've got some of the quality not
going to be playing all of the time when they
could maybe plug a gap. I don't think that's the case.
I think you've got the worry of injury and you
have whatever players you can. You need to protect yourself
and you need to protect your title, do don't you, Nathan?
Speaker 9 (20:18):
I agree? And also you could think of it from
the perspective really from a player self as percispective. If
I'm Harry Plummer or I'm Steph Pittfetter, and i think, oh,
my game time at ten month be limited now that
Bowden Barret's here, But I'd walk into a starting jersey
at the Highlanders or the Crusaders. They're obviously still choosing
to remain with the Blues because the opportunity surely would
be there for them if they if they voiced interest,
(20:39):
And they are choosing to stick where they're at, and
that's their decision.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And they like living in Auckland, and there's nothing so
bad about that, it doesn't I suppose The next quest
around that is, though injury, someone's going to break. They're
not going to stay fit all the way through the end.
You've got to count that in for your planning, don't you.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Yeah, exactly, Like there's three of them there who can play,
but they're all going to get runs in that team.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Jumper on your Nathan Lin. We should drag you off
computer more often than not. Thanks for joining us here
in the chamber of mate.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
You go well, you two doth.
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