November 14, 2024 • 18 mins
On Sports Fix with Jason Pine and D'Arcy Waldegrave for 15th November 2024, buoyed by their win over Ireland last week, the All Blacks look to continue their winning ways against France this weekend. Former All Black Steven Bates joins the podcast to preview that match.
Piney reflects on the career of Tim Southee, one of New Zealand's cricket greats.
Plus, the lads jump into the chamber to get stuck into the news of Tim Southee's retirement and offer their predictions for the All Blacks v France test.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hello there, and welcome into Friday's edition of the Sports
Flex podcast. As we look forward to another big weekend
of sport, they all seem to be. It is November fifteen.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm Jason Pine and I'm Sports Broadcast and Recidibus because
I know no better a Varsie water Graves.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Good to have you along, recidivist offender as we kick
around some topics in the chamber. I want to get
you on the All Black side game to play France
on Sunday morning. Also, Tim Souby has pulled the pin
or will shortly pull the pin on his red ball
international career. I want to get an idea from you,
Dars where you're thinking stands as far as a guest
is concerned. Who have we got coming up?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Piney, We've got Stephen Bates joining me to have a
chat about the loose forward nature of this all Black
pack up ahead in a French game, and of course
some words on the rest of the team and the
explosive nature of these gallic confrontations.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Sounds great looking forward to that.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Let's get into it. Where's do this finy In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let's start by checking out some of the big sports
stories around today. Artis Savie will start as the All
Blacks open side Flanka for the first time in three
years and Sunday morning's test against France and Paris. He
is head coach Scott Robertson.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Paid there for COVID all season and he's finished a
fifty sosp us there, so look he's he's a few
games and his experience was frustrated into it and obviously
Wallis's into eight per third position and did little combo
in it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Meantime, the New Zealand Rugby backed candidate Brett Robinson had
become the World governing Body's first Southern Hemisphere chair.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It's a game that I've been close to my life
and today after being asked by colleagues to step forward
and to be finally elected, it's really proud moment.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And for all, England have beaten Greece comfortably three nil
in the nation's League BEPO.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
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Speaker 1 (02:09):
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Speaker 4 (02:15):
Ivy Underdalk All Black Rugby and we're joined now by
a former All Black Fine Mulu Man chief and broadcaster
Steven Bates. Stephen, Welcome to the show. Great to have
you on board.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I trust you well yeah, no, very well mate, and
thanks for the introduction.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
No, my the pleasure is mine. Thanks for joining us, Stephen.
The team is out. This is basically look, it's an
ultimate test of the season because we've got the Italians
coming up, but probably should win that, but this really
is going to put an exclamation mark on the season
so far. They win this, you could look to the
season say Robertson's been successful here.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
And you also say you also say Shivers. Haven't they built? Well,
haven't they? Yes, we had a hiccup against we had
a hiccup against Argentina, South Africa, South Africa and they're
always tough, you know, but jeep as we're starting to
find out mojo, aren't we That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So that's what you can say.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
If they win this Test match against the French, obviously
they've got to tick off the Italians as well, but
you can certainly have.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That train of thought.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
If you win, if you don't win, then all of
a sudden you're thinking, on a second, are we on
the right track? That's our fourth loss. So yeah, there's
a bit like the sort of battle of a mind.
There's a bit riding on this one.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
On the weekend two weeks ago, if you had have
said that they're looking like wiping the floor with the
European Tour, people would have gone on. I don't know
about that. I'm not sure, but it's tracking so well.
What's the major improvement? What have you seen from a
coaching therefore playing perspective over the last two weeks, the
way this team has developed and grown, Stephen.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I think, and I will certainly say this, and I've
said this, I think it did help us. The Irish
were a little bit rusty last week. I think that's fair.
But what I really enjoyed last week is that once
we did get on top of them, we didn't try
and invent stuff that wasn't working and that didn't get
us to that position of power in the game. We
(04:19):
just continued on doing what was working with us. We
just stuck to what looked like was the blueprint for
the game rather than going, oh, we're up by ten points,
now let's start running it from our own goal.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
They just stuck to what they did.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
And that's any team, you know what I means something
that as a coach should be you'd be rapped with
your team can just stick to what they're obviously trying
to do.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, and importantly when the subs came on, they carried
on of like and we know what troubles this team
has had in the last twenty minutes and fixed to
the last half of recent time. So they're falling into
a groove. They understand the roles. Now understand the continuation
of these roles.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Stephen and if you look at we look forward to
this French game, and I'm a little bit biased, but
certainly I think Paddy toy Plow two has been outstanding
on the bench, and there's others as well. Offer has
been very good as well, But Paddy gives us a
little bit of a point of difference from the two
locks that are on the field. And you look at
(05:22):
if you look at this game that's coming up on
the weekend, the all works are vastly more experienced than
the French, especially when you look at the bench.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Now.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I don't have the numbers in front of me to say, oh,
this is how many cats they've gotten this, but I've
had had a look at it, and there's a lot
more experience on our bench then there is the French bench. Obviously,
experiences is a little bit sometimes can be a little
bit like, oh we're the favorites. It doesn't mean, it
doesn't mean for a lot. But then when you're in
a real tight game, those guys like Paddykoffer, like other guys,
(05:54):
you know they've been there once or twice.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Before you make the team that got released early this morning.
A shuffle and the loose forwards are understandable. The continuation
of the front row and the twigs between nine and
ten first with the loose forward trio a bit of
a twist there. You're happy enough?
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah, And I've said it plenty of times. I really
hope out of out of everyone, I hope Semi Penny
Finale goes really well. I think I'm a fan and
and I think he's the kind of player that we
need in the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
If you look at our loose fortune.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
And no I won't go through and name them, but
you name them all, even the guys that are back
here in New Zealand. You look at the size of
them there, they're sort of somewhere between six foot to
six two, maybe six three. Then you've got Semi Penny
for now, who's just that little bit bigger, play slightly
different to how they play, So there was sort of
an obvious choice when you when you look at how
(06:53):
they've how they've structured it. But I really hope he
goes well for them. The nine and ten on wrap
that that Cortez has retained his place. Yes, he hasn't
retained his place in the starting liner, but he's retained
a place in the team because and I don't think
it's I don't think it's his fault, but he came
(07:15):
under a little bit of heat after that last game.
He didn't get looked after very well. It's no one's fault.
It just happened. And I think the worst thing that
we could have done has thrown him out because I
think that I think that he's got a lot to
offer and he'll be goot off the bench for us
on the weekend in Reyguard.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You know, he's the kind of guy that he's.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Almost almost come from nowhere over the last eighteen months,
and this is a wonderful opportunity against you know we say,
we say, possibly the world's best player, definitely the world's
best nine and probably the world's best player on the
other side.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Stephen Bates, thanks so much for joining us here on
news Talk ZB real pleasure you enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Sports facx News today that one of our all time
cricketing greats is bringing the curtain down on his red
ball career. Tim Southey will retire from Test cricket after
the upcoming three match series against England. There is absolutely
no doubt he will go down as one of our
best ever. Cricket's a game that allows you to use
stats as a pretty good guy to someone's career, and
(08:15):
Tim Southy's certainly stack up. One hundred and four Test
match has spread over a remarkable seventeen summers. He's taken
three hundred and eighty five Test wickets, second only to
Sir Richard Hadley and an average of twenty nine point
eighty eight. He also has exactly the same number of
international white ball wickets. That's seven hundred and seventy altogether,
(08:35):
the most by any New Zealander. The next best is
Daniel Vittore's six hundred and ninety six. He's the only
player in the world to claim more than three hundred
Test wickets, two hundred ODI wickets and one hundred T
twenty international wickets. One of only four players in the
world to play one hundred plus internationals in all three
of the formats, one of only six New Zealanders to
(08:57):
play one hundred Tests. And the numbers keep on going.
But they're only part of it, of course. Tim Soudy
has been part of the most successful period in our
Test history and has displayed a lot ngevity and a
resilience that is rare among fast bowlers, and he has
been part a massive part of many of our great
(09:17):
Test victories. Here's another stat for you. Forty six times
he has been on the winning side for New Zealand
in Test matches, the most by any player. He also
has the most wickets for New Zealand in Test victories
two hundred and seven at an average of twenty two.
He's taken at least one wicket in every Test that
New Zealand has won in which he has played. While
(09:39):
the end of his career may have been overshadowed slightly
by his mixed bag as Test captain. That should in
no way detract from Tim Southea's legacy. He is, without
a doubt, one of our all time greats.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Let's get into the chamber and the kick around a
couple of sporting topics and big meaty ones. Twenty four
hours ago, Darce, we chatted about what we thought, if
we were the selectors, the All Blacks team should be
to face France Paris Sunday morning, New Zealand time. I
look at the team that has been named and, as
you quite rightly pointed out yesterday, the teams we name
don't have to play the team that Scott Robertson and
(10:19):
co names. Does What have you made of the team
that he's put out in particularly a couple of positions
Summer Penny female gets the start in the sixth Jersey.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh okay, fine, rubert In, that's what you said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I was wondered if you remember.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I wondered if you remember.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Saw that team.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'm gonna wear this from Piney Sammy peney Vina had
a pretty harsh start of his year, right, and I
think he's turned it around and he's paid his penance
and he's come back again. And as you pointed out yesterday,
is hard yards throwing Peter Lake to the wolves den
straight away. But I think that's that's worthy. The mixing
(10:56):
up of the loose forwards. So many times he's loose
forwards play these different roles toward the end of the
game anyway, So I think Wallace is going to love it, though,
isn't he, because this is where he's accustomed to playing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You're about the loose four positions though, are you?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Know?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You often it doesn't Actually you don't look at a
guy with six on his back and say, okay, that
guy's got to do X y Z six seven, eight.
And I think Razor even said this after one of
the test matches early in the year. Are pretty much
interchangeable now, which means that Stiti can wear six or eight,
Sava can wear eight or seven. You know, even Sam Kaine,
you wouldn't say he was an out and out seven
in the descriptor that we often give us seven. He's
(11:31):
more of a six. So does it really matter six seven,
eight on your back?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'm just going to quote Todd Blackader, you just tackle,
you get up, you tackle, you get up, you tackle,
you get up, And that's it, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Really?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's it?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Oh ball, a better pass tackle, I'll get up. So
as long as they do that, I'm fascinated. I think
that the combination as we talk about the nine and
ten from yesterday, it makes sense to me. I think
we talked through and pick that as well. What gets
me is the continued problems that Ethan the grout is having.
(12:04):
This is becoming fascical. Look, I understand why, but how
about this for a shot across the bowels of anybody
in the all Blacks in the future, Go you drop
the ball, you make a mistake, there are zero guarantees
that you're coming back into the fold again. Eaton standing
and you go one era whatever it was. Because you
don't know, and I'm out in the cold. It's a
(12:26):
pretty serious warning, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Pliny, absolutely and absolutely out in the cold. He hasn't
taken the field on the Northern Tour, not against Japan,
not against England, not against Ireland, not named against France.
I guess he might get a test against Italy. But
you're right, you know, and as you say, sometimes there's
a vacuum when we don't know exactly what's happened here,
and you fill it with rumor and anuendo. But your
(12:49):
point stands perfectly. Don't step out of line, otherwise you
won't get a game.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I explained this to my daughter sometimes not cleaning a
room up right, and I said, clean your room.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's said at me.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I said, you know how you can avoid this? How
I said, clean your room up control the narrative. That
means I don't have an opportunity to tell you same thing.
Don't give them the opportunity to drop you. It doesn't happen.
It's pretty standard stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well to Mighty Williams has been the benefactor of this
because he will start a fourth test in a row
and the number one jumper. So all the best to
Tomighty and we'll wait and see what happens to Ethan
de Groot next weekend. Quick word on first five Boden
Barrett's there. I think you picked that.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It makes sense, doesn't it what the fly in the
bottle can do. I shouldn't say that about Damien McKenzie.
It's a bit rude, but I think we'd hope with
tiring legs. When he comes on, his injection is huge,
but it's confidence as well. Must be an all time high.
And I don't think he's the kind of player he's
going to pack sad because he didn't get packed. I
think you contribute just as well as he did last week.
(13:49):
I'm looking forward to that. I'm so glad they left
Will Jordan at fullback.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, I'm pleased to and I think, well, it seems
to me he wears that number from now on. I
mean you can never read the future, but it seems
the right one for him. Hey, Tim Southy, you've watched
a lot of cricket, as have I and Tim Soudi
made his Test debut as a ninety ten year old
in two thousand and eight, sixteen seventeen summers later. He'll
(14:13):
go out as New Zealand's second highest Test We could
take it behind the great Sir Richard Hadley. How will
you reflect on Tim Souby as a red ball international
cricket But he's grown.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
As a man, hasn't he. You take a look at
the photographs of him and maybe when he debuted it
mays like twelve years old.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It's like no one.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
He's not even shaving back that I know as a
red ball cricula. Besides the fact that he holds records
right across red ball and white ball cricket, which we're
all astonishing, he's been immense He's right up there on
the dice and the top few that we have produced.
We know he's had a flat period of recent times,
but himself in tandem with Trent Bolt, we've been treated
(14:52):
to a couple of outstanding opening bowlers. And I think
the problem not there's a problem with Tim Sowby. He
scored all those runs in his first game against England
and he's constantly carried that around for the rest of
his career. Wait, he's gore when he runs. It's called
seventy seven I feel from in that case. But as
far as an opening bowler, the control he has, what
(15:13):
he's done, and his longevity, the fact that he's kept
himself fit and he's carried on this is huge. A guy,
stand up mate. That is some career and let's hope
he finishes it. Piney on a high for the last
three tests. You notice he said he's going to be
available for the World Test Championship if he qualify.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I saw that, yeah, and who knows, stranger things have happened.
Imagine us talking about the World Test Championship Final as
a possibility six weeks ago. Now we just wanted to
have been, would we.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So what are your memories of Southy? Besides the fact
he was childlike when he started because he.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Was, I think you've touched on it as his longevity,
his resilience, the fact that he played every game. You
know for a fast bowler, and you just have to
look at Cole Jamison. You know, it burst onto the
scene three or four years ago, but has had a
wretched time with injuries, Shane Bond exactly the same guys
who make their living from bowling fast. It is not
good for your body. In particular, it is not good
(16:05):
for your back. But over seventeen years of international crew,
get red and white ball, Tim Southy has delivered summer
after summer after summer.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
This is a.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Triumph of nurturing and maintaining his body in a really,
really tough part of cricket. And I'll remember him fondly,
that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
And I think the key thing around that is he
doesn't bowl with extra pace. He's not an express bowler.
He bowls within himself, and he bowls with control, and
he bowls beautifully off the scene, and he can swing
the ball as well. He doesn't over extend. He knows
exactly where to put the ball, and that's not unlike
Sir Richard Hadley. And I know that's pretty high praise
(16:42):
matching him up that, but you know what I'm saying here,
he's very much within himself. He's done an exceptional job
and so pleased for him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yep, the comparison is a good one. Smooth bowlers for
both of them. That is us in the Chamber.
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Hello there, and welcome into Friday's edition of the Sports
Flex podcast. As we look forward to another big weekend
of sport, they all seem to be. It is November fifteen.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm Jason Pine and I'm Sports Broadcast and Recidibus because
I know no better a Varsie water Graves.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Good to have you along, recidivist offender as we kick
around some topics in the chamber. I want to get
you on the All Black side game to play France
on Sunday morning. Also, Tim Souby has pulled the pin
or will shortly pull the pin on his red ball
international career. I want to get an idea from you,
Dars where you're thinking stands as far as a guest
is concerned. Who have we got coming up?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Piney, We've got Stephen Bates joining me to have a
chat about the loose forward nature of this all Black
pack up ahead in a French game, and of course
some words on the rest of the team and the
explosive nature of these gallic confrontations.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Sounds great looking forward to that.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Let's get into it. Where's do this finy In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Let's start by checking out some of the big sports
stories around today. Artis Savie will start as the All
Blacks open side Flanka for the first time in three
years and Sunday morning's test against France and Paris. He
is head coach Scott Robertson.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Paid there for COVID all season and he's finished a
fifty sosp us there, so look he's he's a few
games and his experience was frustrated into it and obviously
Wallis's into eight per third position and did little combo
in it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Meantime, the New Zealand Rugby backed candidate Brett Robinson had
become the World governing Body's first Southern Hemisphere chair.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It's a game that I've been close to my life
and today after being asked by colleagues to step forward
and to be finally elected, it's really proud moment.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And for all, England have beaten Greece comfortably three nil
in the nation's League BEPO.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Here's gibs Way into Kurtis Jones sensational.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
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Speaker 4 (02:15):
Ivy Underdalk All Black Rugby and we're joined now by
a former All Black Fine Mulu Man chief and broadcaster
Steven Bates. Stephen, Welcome to the show. Great to have
you on board.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I trust you well yeah, no, very well mate, and
thanks for the introduction.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
No, my the pleasure is mine. Thanks for joining us, Stephen.
The team is out. This is basically look, it's an
ultimate test of the season because we've got the Italians
coming up, but probably should win that, but this really
is going to put an exclamation mark on the season
so far. They win this, you could look to the
season say Robertson's been successful here.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
And you also say you also say Shivers. Haven't they built? Well,
haven't they? Yes, we had a hiccup against we had
a hiccup against Argentina, South Africa, South Africa and they're
always tough, you know, but jeep as we're starting to
find out mojo, aren't we That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So that's what you can say.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
If they win this Test match against the French, obviously
they've got to tick off the Italians as well, but
you can certainly have.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That train of thought.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
If you win, if you don't win, then all of
a sudden you're thinking, on a second, are we on
the right track? That's our fourth loss. So yeah, there's
a bit like the sort of battle of a mind.
There's a bit riding on this one.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
On the weekend two weeks ago, if you had have
said that they're looking like wiping the floor with the
European Tour, people would have gone on. I don't know
about that. I'm not sure, but it's tracking so well.
What's the major improvement? What have you seen from a
coaching therefore playing perspective over the last two weeks, the
way this team has developed and grown, Stephen.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I think, and I will certainly say this, and I've
said this, I think it did help us. The Irish
were a little bit rusty last week. I think that's fair.
But what I really enjoyed last week is that once
we did get on top of them, we didn't try
and invent stuff that wasn't working and that didn't get
us to that position of power in the game. We
(04:19):
just continued on doing what was working with us. We
just stuck to what looked like was the blueprint for
the game rather than going, oh, we're up by ten points,
now let's start running it from our own goal.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
They just stuck to what they did.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
And that's any team, you know what I means something
that as a coach should be you'd be rapped with
your team can just stick to what they're obviously trying
to do.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, and importantly when the subs came on, they carried
on of like and we know what troubles this team
has had in the last twenty minutes and fixed to
the last half of recent time. So they're falling into
a groove. They understand the roles. Now understand the continuation
of these roles.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Stephen and if you look at we look forward to
this French game, and I'm a little bit biased, but
certainly I think Paddy toy Plow two has been outstanding
on the bench, and there's others as well. Offer has
been very good as well, But Paddy gives us a
little bit of a point of difference from the two
locks that are on the field. And you look at
(05:22):
if you look at this game that's coming up on
the weekend, the all works are vastly more experienced than
the French, especially when you look at the bench.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Now.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I don't have the numbers in front of me to say, oh,
this is how many cats they've gotten this, but I've
had had a look at it, and there's a lot
more experience on our bench then there is the French bench. Obviously,
experiences is a little bit sometimes can be a little
bit like, oh we're the favorites. It doesn't mean, it
doesn't mean for a lot. But then when you're in
a real tight game, those guys like Paddykoffer, like other guys,
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you know they've been there once or twice.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Before you make the team that got released early this morning.
A shuffle and the loose forwards are understandable. The continuation
of the front row and the twigs between nine and
ten first with the loose forward trio a bit of
a twist there. You're happy enough?
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah, And I've said it plenty of times. I really
hope out of out of everyone, I hope Semi Penny
Finale goes really well. I think I'm a fan and
and I think he's the kind of player that we
need in the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
If you look at our loose fortune.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
And no I won't go through and name them, but
you name them all, even the guys that are back
here in New Zealand. You look at the size of
them there, they're sort of somewhere between six foot to
six two, maybe six three. Then you've got Semi Penny
for now, who's just that little bit bigger, play slightly
different to how they play, So there was sort of
an obvious choice when you when you look at how
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they've how they've structured it. But I really hope he
goes well for them. The nine and ten on wrap
that that Cortez has retained his place. Yes, he hasn't
retained his place in the starting liner, but he's retained
a place in the team because and I don't think
it's I don't think it's his fault, but he came
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under a little bit of heat after that last game.
He didn't get looked after very well. It's no one's fault.
It just happened. And I think the worst thing that
we could have done has thrown him out because I
think that I think that he's got a lot to
offer and he'll be goot off the bench for us
on the weekend in Reyguard.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You know, he's the kind of guy that he's.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Almost almost come from nowhere over the last eighteen months,
and this is a wonderful opportunity against you know we say,
we say, possibly the world's best player, definitely the world's
best nine and probably the world's best player on the
other side.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Stephen Bates, thanks so much for joining us here on
news Talk ZB real pleasure you enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Sports facx News today that one of our all time
cricketing greats is bringing the curtain down on his red
ball career. Tim Southey will retire from Test cricket after
the upcoming three match series against England. There is absolutely
no doubt he will go down as one of our
best ever. Cricket's a game that allows you to use
stats as a pretty good guy to someone's career, and
(08:15):
Tim Southy's certainly stack up. One hundred and four Test
match has spread over a remarkable seventeen summers. He's taken
three hundred and eighty five Test wickets, second only to
Sir Richard Hadley and an average of twenty nine point
eighty eight. He also has exactly the same number of
international white ball wickets. That's seven hundred and seventy altogether,
(08:35):
the most by any New Zealander. The next best is
Daniel Vittore's six hundred and ninety six. He's the only
player in the world to claim more than three hundred
Test wickets, two hundred ODI wickets and one hundred T
twenty international wickets. One of only four players in the
world to play one hundred plus internationals in all three
of the formats, one of only six New Zealanders to
(08:57):
play one hundred Tests. And the numbers keep on going.
But they're only part of it, of course. Tim Soudy
has been part of the most successful period in our
Test history and has displayed a lot ngevity and a
resilience that is rare among fast bowlers, and he has
been part a massive part of many of our great
(09:17):
Test victories. Here's another stat for you. Forty six times
he has been on the winning side for New Zealand
in Test matches, the most by any player. He also
has the most wickets for New Zealand in Test victories
two hundred and seven at an average of twenty two.
He's taken at least one wicket in every Test that
New Zealand has won in which he has played. While
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the end of his career may have been overshadowed slightly
by his mixed bag as Test captain. That should in
no way detract from Tim Southea's legacy. He is, without
a doubt, one of our all time greats.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Let's get into the chamber and the kick around a
couple of sporting topics and big meaty ones. Twenty four
hours ago, Darce, we chatted about what we thought, if
we were the selectors, the All Blacks team should be
to face France Paris Sunday morning, New Zealand time. I
look at the team that has been named and, as
you quite rightly pointed out yesterday, the teams we name
don't have to play the team that Scott Robertson and
(10:19):
co names. Does What have you made of the team
that he's put out in particularly a couple of positions
Summer Penny female gets the start in the sixth Jersey.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh okay, fine, rubert In, that's what you said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I was wondered if you remember.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I wondered if you remember.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Saw that team.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I'm gonna wear this from Piney Sammy peney Vina had
a pretty harsh start of his year, right, and I
think he's turned it around and he's paid his penance
and he's come back again. And as you pointed out yesterday,
is hard yards throwing Peter Lake to the wolves den
straight away. But I think that's that's worthy. The mixing
(10:56):
up of the loose forwards. So many times he's loose
forwards play these different roles toward the end of the
game anyway, So I think Wallace is going to love it, though,
isn't he, because this is where he's accustomed to playing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You're about the loose four positions though, are you?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Know?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You often it doesn't Actually you don't look at a
guy with six on his back and say, okay, that
guy's got to do X y Z six seven, eight.
And I think Razor even said this after one of
the test matches early in the year. Are pretty much
interchangeable now, which means that Stiti can wear six or eight,
Sava can wear eight or seven. You know, even Sam Kaine,
you wouldn't say he was an out and out seven
in the descriptor that we often give us seven. He's
(11:31):
more of a six. So does it really matter six seven,
eight on your back?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'm just going to quote Todd Blackader, you just tackle,
you get up, you tackle, you get up, you tackle,
you get up, And that's it, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Really?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's it?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Oh ball, a better pass tackle, I'll get up. So
as long as they do that, I'm fascinated. I think
that the combination as we talk about the nine and
ten from yesterday, it makes sense to me. I think
we talked through and pick that as well. What gets
me is the continued problems that Ethan the grout is having.
(12:04):
This is becoming fascical. Look, I understand why, but how
about this for a shot across the bowels of anybody
in the all Blacks in the future, Go you drop
the ball, you make a mistake, there are zero guarantees
that you're coming back into the fold again. Eaton standing
and you go one era whatever it was. Because you
don't know, and I'm out in the cold. It's a
(12:26):
pretty serious warning, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Pliny, absolutely and absolutely out in the cold. He hasn't
taken the field on the Northern Tour, not against Japan,
not against England, not against Ireland, not named against France.
I guess he might get a test against Italy. But
you're right, you know, and as you say, sometimes there's
a vacuum when we don't know exactly what's happened here,
and you fill it with rumor and anuendo. But your
(12:49):
point stands perfectly. Don't step out of line, otherwise you
won't get a game.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I explained this to my daughter sometimes not cleaning a
room up right, and I said, clean your room.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's said at me.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I said, you know how you can avoid this? How
I said, clean your room up control the narrative. That
means I don't have an opportunity to tell you same thing.
Don't give them the opportunity to drop you. It doesn't happen.
It's pretty standard stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well to Mighty Williams has been the benefactor of this
because he will start a fourth test in a row
and the number one jumper. So all the best to
Tomighty and we'll wait and see what happens to Ethan
de Groot next weekend. Quick word on first five Boden
Barrett's there. I think you picked that.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It makes sense, doesn't it what the fly in the
bottle can do. I shouldn't say that about Damien McKenzie.
It's a bit rude, but I think we'd hope with
tiring legs. When he comes on, his injection is huge,
but it's confidence as well. Must be an all time high.
And I don't think he's the kind of player he's
going to pack sad because he didn't get packed. I
think you contribute just as well as he did last week.
(13:49):
I'm looking forward to that. I'm so glad they left
Will Jordan at fullback.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, I'm pleased to and I think, well, it seems
to me he wears that number from now on. I
mean you can never read the future, but it seems
the right one for him. Hey, Tim Southy, you've watched
a lot of cricket, as have I and Tim Soudi
made his Test debut as a ninety ten year old
in two thousand and eight, sixteen seventeen summers later. He'll
(14:13):
go out as New Zealand's second highest Test We could
take it behind the great Sir Richard Hadley. How will
you reflect on Tim Souby as a red ball international
cricket But he's grown.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
As a man, hasn't he. You take a look at
the photographs of him and maybe when he debuted it
mays like twelve years old.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It's like no one.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
He's not even shaving back that I know as a
red ball cricula. Besides the fact that he holds records
right across red ball and white ball cricket, which we're
all astonishing, he's been immense He's right up there on
the dice and the top few that we have produced.
We know he's had a flat period of recent times,
but himself in tandem with Trent Bolt, we've been treated
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to a couple of outstanding opening bowlers. And I think
the problem not there's a problem with Tim Sowby. He
scored all those runs in his first game against England
and he's constantly carried that around for the rest of
his career. Wait, he's gore when he runs. It's called
seventy seven I feel from in that case. But as
far as an opening bowler, the control he has, what
(15:13):
he's done, and his longevity, the fact that he's kept
himself fit and he's carried on this is huge. A guy,
stand up mate. That is some career and let's hope
he finishes it. Piney on a high for the last
three tests. You notice he said he's going to be
available for the World Test Championship if he qualify.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I saw that, yeah, and who knows, stranger things have happened.
Imagine us talking about the World Test Championship Final as
a possibility six weeks ago. Now we just wanted to
have been, would we.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So what are your memories of Southy? Besides the fact
he was childlike when he started because he.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Was, I think you've touched on it as his longevity,
his resilience, the fact that he played every game. You
know for a fast bowler, and you just have to
look at Cole Jamison. You know, it burst onto the
scene three or four years ago, but has had a
wretched time with injuries, Shane Bond exactly the same guys
who make their living from bowling fast. It is not
good for your body. In particular, it is not good
(16:05):
for your back. But over seventeen years of international crew,
get red and white ball, Tim Southy has delivered summer
after summer after summer.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
This is a.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Triumph of nurturing and maintaining his body in a really,
really tough part of cricket. And I'll remember him fondly,
that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
And I think the key thing around that is he
doesn't bowl with extra pace. He's not an express bowler.
He bowls within himself, and he bowls with control, and
he bowls beautifully off the scene, and he can swing
the ball as well. He doesn't over extend. He knows
exactly where to put the ball, and that's not unlike
Sir Richard Hadley. And I know that's pretty high praise
(16:42):
matching him up that, but you know what I'm saying here,
he's very much within himself. He's done an exceptional job
and so pleased for him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yep, the comparison is a good one. Smooth bowlers for
both of them. That is us in the Chamber.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
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and connecting again some stage next week. You look after yourself, you,
(17:55):
Piney and all the people out there, have a great weekend.
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