December 4, 2024 • 22 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Wednesday 4 December 2024, former ICC Chairman Greg Barclay talks about why the Black Caps were docked points for their slow over-rate, and what that means for the World Test Championship.
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on Joesph Parker's next big bout.
Plus, Newstalk ZB sports journalist Nathan Limm joins the panel to discuss World Netball's 'big idea'.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
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My name is Starcy Waldgrave. I'm with you right from
go to Woe and coming up on this podcast your
home of all the latest sport news and everything else
you need to know and some of it you probably don't.
We have got Greg Barclay joining us, a former ICC chairman,
(00:44):
talking about the vexed situation around over rates, how you
apply them, why they are applied, and the punishments afterwards
when they don't play the game. That's Greg Barklay joining
us shortly. I've got some opinion around explosive Joseph Jurassic
Parker leaked yesterday to the media that has got a
(01:05):
heavyweight title fight that has been confirmed today that Daniel
Dubois is the man in his cross heres and we
finished things off in the chamber used talk to be
Sports reporter Nathan Lim joined us as we throw around
some ideas around the biggest sports stories. Of the day.
That's our master plan, so let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
In other news, let's think we're.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Listening and out of big sports stories of the day,
Starting with a bit of tennis. World number one Madison
Keys has replaced format US Open champion Bianca Andrescu in
the Women's ASB Classic Tennis draw. Tournament director Nico Lampren
had to hustle fast to get Keys over the line.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
She was getting married ten years ago, so we had
to be quick because the deadline was first approaching, and
you know sometimes DA discussions can last months, but we
managed to get it done in a week.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Former Manchester United striker rude Van Nasroi has had a
cracking start to his full time IPL managerial career after
being inter emboss for a state. But the new gaff
of Leicester City oversaw a three zip beating of west
Ham after the former city coach Steve Cooper was marched
last weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Of course, the third day that we're working together and
I'm making decisions on the team and players are in
or out and not even properly spoken to them. But
I can only complement the players how they reacted and
buying into some new ideas.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And white Burn cricketing superstar mealy K is a reveling
in her work commitments ahead of the home, domestic and
international season, after having a mad time overseas recently, a
bit of ossie cricket and of course winning the T
twenty World Cup.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
It's our job and I love doing it, training and playing,
and I think it's utilizing the time at home. Yes,
we're busy and we're playing that actually being able to
spend time in your own home and it does feel
almost like her rest, just because you're not living out
of a suitcase leading a vix.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports Fix News Talk.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
We're now by former ic C chair Greg Barclay. Greg, Hello,
do you sir? Good? Good? What You've only been out
of the job a few days and already the media
on your case. It doesn't stop, does it. The issue
around at the moment, of course, is the slow overrate,
something that you'd suggest has been dogging international cricket will
Test cricket for some time now. In your former position,
(03:33):
the attitude that's been taken, the rules that have been
put in place, Why what are you trying to achieve?
What was the ICC trying to achieve by putting these
restrictions and penalties in well.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
I think, first of all, is just about the fans
and making sure that they get what they're paid for,
which is a certain amount of cricket every day. So
it was it was all designed to ensure that, you know,
there was a minimum standard and a minimum amount of
cricket that was delivered through the course of a day,
and it was deemed at the time, and I think
that most teams are able to comply that that was
(04:08):
a fair number of overs to expect any team in
test cricket to get through. There's a second consideration as
well as the fans and fan expectation. That's there's a
commercial consideration overlay because a number of broadcasters will actually,
as part of their contracts, take the time in between
(04:29):
overs to sell advertising. So of course the third paid
an amount for broadcasts and broadcast rights, and they're getting
eighty overs in a day, not ninety. That's ten five
whatever slots that they don't have available to them in
terms of advertising returns. So there is a commercial consideration
out of this as well, which potentially puts boards at
(04:49):
odds with their broadcast or their media rights agreements. But
primarily it is about setting amment standard to ensure that
a certain amount of cricket has actually played each day.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
To you would agree though with teams like news in
On in England the most recent transgresses of this law.
Is it actually working because it's in that case not.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Yeah, Statistically, I don't know whether since this particular rule,
and bear in mind that that was something that was
put in place in consultation with the players and their
representatives the icec's Credit Committee to actually, I guess there's
something other than just find them are impose a monetary penalty.
(05:30):
So this was the agreed outcome that maybe they docked
a few points for. And there are only the games
that matter, of course, that will championship games. That's what
we're talking about here. As I say, to get a
minimum standard and have all the teams consistent across in
the number of OBErs that they're delivering in a day's play.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
So is it working?
Speaker 7 (05:51):
I think generally most teams are trying hard to comply
and to meet that standard, So I'd suggest that yes,
it probably is. Is it perfect clearly not? Is there
a better way to do it? Probably, mind's better than mine.
Across those crediting committees and you know, the guys that
have played and been in the game at that level.
You might have to go back and see if there's
(06:12):
another alternative that they could bring to beer.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
But this was certainly the agreed.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Consensual position to land on was to dock points, and
I think, as I say, generally most teams seem to
be able to get through there. Over some in New
Zealand has been an excellent performer. I think that this is,
if I'm right, this is cefirst transgression in terms of
being dock points. So we traditionally run the medium pace
(06:36):
and meaning fast attack. We don't use spinners a lot
of New Zealand. We still hit the ninety overs a day,
so it is clearly achievable.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We're doin by former ic C chair Greg Barclay. Interesting,
you talking about this is new phrase and directly say this,
but putting the fans at the center of the room,
it's about them, but there are commercial issues around there
as well. So if you put the fans at the
center of the room and the game finishes a day early,
this is what Ben Stokes was referencing. A social media
(07:05):
account doesn't really matter that a few days were lost
in the middle to the fan because they're going to
sit through it regardless, and then in an extra day
of cricket. Is it that essential?
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Yeah, well, I think that you're the second guessing actually
the outcome of a game when you start, and I
guess I mean I really even thought about that.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
But the crollery to that, of course, is what evens.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
If you know you need another four or five overs
to pick up a last wicket on the end of
day five and you've been consistently bowling eighty five overs
a day, so you've effectively sold yourself short by twenty
or twenty five overs. Does that come into the reckoning
in terms of additional time in day five? I don't know,
but I think that ninety was considered achievable. It was
(07:49):
a fair number, it was consistent across the teams. It
took into account, as you said, the fan and keep
making sure they've got a minimum amount of cricket. And
there are some commercial considerations, as I said.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Greg Bagley, join us, Greg, I'm interested in the ninety day.
Ninety overs a day be possible. I'm presuming test will
run around that. And there's also the interference of maybe
you have twenty six, is it? And you lose the ball?
Maybe there are too many bowler changes, maybe drinks, maybe
too many wickets, mid pitch meetings, injuries, he the list
(08:24):
goes on. So when you look at that ninety overs,
how do you take into account the actual timing of
that throughout the day, with the possibility of interruptions. And
at the bottom line, it is possible, I presume if
nothing too much goes on.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Yeah, and all of that is taken into account. There
is the mechanism is in place to make adjustment, to
take an account injury or as you said, the number
of times the ball across as a boundary, any merory
of the kind of things. So all that time that
(08:58):
it's lost for legitimate reasons has taken into account. So
it's not a hard and fast ninety overs. It might
end up being eighty seven overs depending on whatever. But
ninety that's the benchmark, and that's the standard. And then
I guess that you come back from there and better
minds than mine across the referees and the umpires or
whatever will use the tools that they've got to make
(09:21):
those calculations to bring it back to a fear number
without unduly penalizing players or teams.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm sure this has been discussed, but this situation laud
New Zealand. There was already a pretty slim chance to
get to the World Test Championship final. It's pretty much
gone now. I mean to mathematical chants are granted, but
by deducting points in the World Test Championship, surely that
is more of a punishment to the fan base than
(09:48):
the players themselves, because the fans are the ones that
want to see their team play at the highest level.
So in a sense, they get punished for something that
the players did.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, And again it's another consideration, isn't it.
And that's precisely what happened to Australia in the first
round of the World Test Championship. We're dock points and
I think in a NASHSS series from memory and that
that was critical. It meant that they actually missed their
slot in the World Test Championship Final. But you know,
(10:20):
I guess that you know the opposite applies as well,
doesn't it. You know, those players are effectively letting their
fans down and missing an opportunity to get to a
World Test Championship final by being sort of slow or
not giving enough consideration to getting through those overs. Because
(10:41):
as I said, it's not like we're not talking about
an unreasonable target here. Most teams in most games managed
to hit that ninety over thing, and there is the
mechanism to adjust if there are good reasons to bring
that over a number of overs down. So we're talking
about leggeds here. You know, if they're just simply not
getting through their overs, then maybe the fans have got
(11:03):
the cause to take the team or the players to account.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Thanks very much for your time, and you're honest. You
look after yourself an enjoy summer.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Yeah, thanks starting you too, all the best.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
This is Sportsfix, your daily dose of sports news cower
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Speaker 3 (11:23):
Joe Parker is set to go the man I call
explosive Joseph Jurassic Parker because I can't help myself. Former
Champion of the World has been on the decline all
right up until he found himself a new coach. He
found himself a new best mate in Tyson Fury, and
now he's found himself a nutritionist as well. That is
(11:46):
doing the world of good for Joe Parker. He had
been written off earlier on the piece, he'd been written
off by nigh on everybody. You're a journeyman, you're an
old man. You've had your fun, you made your money.
What are you doing still in the ring? You're getting
your brain punch to smithereens, Why don't you take your money,
you concentrate on being a dad, get out of the
(12:06):
squared circle. Joe Parker said he would retire earlier rather
than later, and we'll see if there's any truth in that.
But what Joe Parker did do was ignore the noise
around him. I've been lucky enough to be close enough
to Joe Parker for quite some time now, and he's
always been steadfast in his knowledge that he is still
(12:29):
a force in world heavyweight boxing. He refused to be
bowed down in front of the criticisms around where he
stood in the world heavyweight landscape. Sure he had a
slow period, Sure he did not look great, but some
of the defeats that were handed to him were manifestly unfair.
I look to the Anthony Joshua situation with an Italian
(12:52):
referee who refused to let them clinch. There have been
other fights where I think that the refereeing has leaned
toward the opposition as opposed to Joe Parker, but he
has excused the pun fought through all of this, and
now he finds himself standing again on the cusp of
yet another world title up against the man who was
(13:15):
astonishingly scary and Daniel Dubois, a guy we've been keeping
our eyes on for quite some time, even though his
I nearly popped out of his head when Joe Joyce
crushed his ice socket back in the day. This fight
one for the ages. We'd like to think it is
over in Saudi Arabia because they've got all the money.
Like it or lump it. But I'm looking forward seeing
(13:37):
E double JP get amongst and pick up that world
heavyweight strap again get a narrow So.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And we wander into the chamber now hand in hand
with Nathan Limb. It's not the truth. I'm not touching,
and Nathan Limb news TALKSB sports reporter would talk some sport,
a couple of big stories today overrates Nathan over rates
when you stand on this one.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
Yeh see.
Speaker 10 (14:05):
I actually have mixed feelings about this because Ben Stokes
made a really good point England captain on his Instagram story,
which is there were still ten hours of play left
in the test. They finished on day four, still had
an unused day five, so why does it matter that
the overright was a bit slow when we had a
result within four days. However, I did feel that it
(14:28):
was slow. The Test was slow to watch, and I
like that they keep teams on their toes with the
over eight because as a fan, I want to see
as much cricket as possible, and if the players are
messing around in the field and aren't getting through the
overs quickly, then I'm not seeing as much cricket and
the entertainment product isn't as good.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Do you notice it when it slows down? You're actually
as opposed to just seeing because what fifteen overs per
hours roughly what they're doing thirty extrap l eight ninety
runs per over, So when that's happening, you don't need
to look at the figures. You know this is not fasten.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Well, well, I know they're supposed to be ninety overs
in a day.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
So if I'm sitting there and it's only sixty five
overs through, I think sweet, I've still got ages to
watch and then I realized, oh, actually there's only an
hour left in the days players, so I actually haven't
seen as much cricket as I should have seen. So yes,
I do notice it. However, by deducting World Test Championship
points and punishing the teams actually punishing the fans too,
because and that the fans are who you're doing this for, right,
(15:22):
So the fans are going to be disappointed in.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
The center of the room exactly, That's what it's all about.
Speaker 10 (15:27):
So the fans are going to be disappointed at the
slow over right, and now also disappointed that their team
has been docked World Test Championship points. So what I
think they should have done? Find the players don't actually
affect the tournament itself, So find the players their match
feeds are the players still have an incentive to get
through there over as quickly, and therefore the fan gets
the amount of cricket that they want to see, and
the team isn't actually hampered by this. In regards to
(15:49):
the wider context of the World Test Championship, you're just
coming down on the players.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Like so you're a nuffy of cricket playing and you
love the sport inside and out and you'll appreciate all
the nuance of it. But when you're sitting there watching
it and you know they're messing around and they're picking
their nose and they're flicking boggers and they're changing i
don't know, changing pads, changing gloves, that that irritate you.
Because average person a gust Test cricket takes ages. Anyway,
what are you doing? They just relax, pro relax.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
Well yeah, see some people would say that, but I
crackit fans exactly. I think that there needs to be
a bit of haste sometimes in between overs.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, and I like the punishment, but as you said,
it's a bit unfair because the fan being seemed to
the room. It's about us and although let's face it,
you get beaten by Sri Lanka too. Is that you
don't deserve to be in the final the World Test Championship,
do you do you?
Speaker 8 (16:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (16:38):
If you beat India three nils straight after it?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
One last thing on that, So can you actually fit
ninety overs in the day? Is that actually possible?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
See?
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Obviously it's going to be more possible on New Zealand
wickets which are greener and you have a pace attack
as opposed to a spin attack in India. But I
just feel this should be some ground to make up there.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Hold on the pace attack. It gets fast at the
other end, but you've got to spend all the time
wandering back to the start mark before he does it,
whereas the spinner just has to go back three steps.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
That's what I'm saying about. Obviously, it is easier when
you're playing in spin friendly conditions. So therefore overall New
Zealand and England they're going to have to work harder
because they have greener pictures. But I think in between
overs there could definitely be sped up.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
All right, there you go, We'll put you in charge
of World cricket. We'll be fine. That's the story.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Sounds good.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Tell me about netball that this is something new. But
netball have been trying over recent times. You look at
fast five to actually change the whole landscape of the
sport internationally, aren't they? Is this ill founded and insane
or have they got a point? I wanted to change
this and havevala World champions well every two years now.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
Yeah, So okay, just for the context on this.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
Earlier this week, a leaked prospectus was published by the
Daily Telegraph, which basically I went to World Netball about.
They explained it was a brainstorming document effectively with ideas
for how they can revolutionize the test calendar. And in
this document they talked about having by any of World Cups,
the World Cups every two years from twenty twenty seven,
and also the introduction of this new Continent Cup, which
(18:08):
would have the top team from each continent competing in
a tournament every two years alternating with those World Cups.
The idea behind this would be to bring more pinnacle
tournaments to which brings more eyes to netball. They had
a really successful World Cup in South Africa last year
and they're trying to capitalize on the back of that.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
You brought up Fast five.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
They're also looking at having multiple Fast five tournaments a year.
But they wanted to stress that these ideas are in
their very very premature stages, so this isn't something that's
going to be brought in in the next couple of weeks.
This is something that they are going to market with
to see what commercial opportunities there are sponsorship, et cetera
to fund this.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Was this a concession though, that the game internationally is
broken and needs to be renovated and needs the engine change.
Is this basically what they're saying, do you think, Nathan.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Well, I think it's just a general trend in sport
as a whole. We look at cricket, we have a
World Cup basically every year. Football is pinnacle events every
year or two years with the Euros and the World Cups.
So I think it's just netball evolving the same way
that every sport is evolving nowadays, becoming far more commercialized.
It is about money, it is about sponsorship, and netball
(19:16):
are supposed to have been slower to move in that
direction because it's not as big of a sport.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Well they've got no Common Games. Well they have, but
they haven't know how long that's going to last. So
there's another.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
Large in the twenty twenty six events.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, granted, but how long does the Commonwealth Games last?
And when no one actually knows do they? So they've
got to look ahead to that. And also I think globally,
the more pinnacle events you've got, the more eyeballs, the
more players they need, more international teams, and you can't
avoid that having just a handful that are any good
at the tops, fine that they need to get engagement
from a whole lot of other country. How do you
(19:50):
get that You get them in big tournaments, right exactly.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
So you have obviously New Zealand, England, Australia and now
Jamaica in recent times have become a real powerhouse. You've
also got Malawi and South Africa who are not that
far off, which will South Africa obviously draw with New
Zealand at last year's World Cup. And if you give
those teams more exposure, more opportunities, and especially in the
fast five format as well, a chance to shine, they
are going to get better and better and better. So
(20:14):
in a few years you will have a more well
rounded global structure. Before obviously it was just New Zealand
and Australia who are any good? And now we've got
England and Jamaica really up there competing as well. Give
it a few more years, few more tournaments, and we
could have South Africa, Malawi, maybe Uganda there as well.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
And I think the fast fives are much better sell
than standard netball. I don't want to diminish the import
of standard netball, but there's something about fast five that
appeals to people in this day and age, right, and.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Appeals to commercial sponsorship brands. They like it because of
the entertainment value. Fast five is the T twenty of netball,
the Rugby sevens of netball, and they want to use
that model of the seven's World Series circuit to try
and bring about spread the Fast five game, engage more
people in the sport of netbule and then you can
get them playing the seven a side version as well.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm going to unlock the door. I'm going to hold
your hand. We're going to walk out of the chamber.
Nathan Lehn, Newstalk TB Sports Reporter, things so much for
your time, Yeah, expertise and your knowledge.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Thank you, Darcy, your hands a bit sweaty, dissecting the
sporting agenda.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It's Sportsfix with Jason Pine and Darcy Waltergrave.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
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It be welcome on into the Sports Fixed. It is
a Wednesday. It's the fourth of December twenty twenty four high.
My name is Starcy Waldgrave. I'm with you right from
go to Woe and coming up on this podcast your
home of all the latest sport news and everything else
you need to know and some of it you probably don't.
We have got Greg Barclay joining us, a former ICC chairman,
(00:44):
talking about the vexed situation around over rates, how you
apply them, why they are applied, and the punishments afterwards
when they don't play the game. That's Greg Barklay joining
us shortly. I've got some opinion around explosive Joseph Jurassic
Parker leaked yesterday to the media that has got a
(01:05):
heavyweight title fight that has been confirmed today that Daniel
Dubois is the man in his cross heres and we
finished things off in the chamber used talk to be
Sports reporter Nathan Lim joined us as we throw around
some ideas around the biggest sports stories. Of the day.
That's our master plan, so let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
In other news, let's think we're.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Listening and out of big sports stories of the day,
Starting with a bit of tennis. World number one Madison
Keys has replaced format US Open champion Bianca Andrescu in
the Women's ASB Classic Tennis draw. Tournament director Nico Lampren
had to hustle fast to get Keys over the line.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
She was getting married ten years ago, so we had
to be quick because the deadline was first approaching, and
you know sometimes DA discussions can last months, but we
managed to get it done in a week.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Former Manchester United striker rude Van Nasroi has had a
cracking start to his full time IPL managerial career after
being inter emboss for a state. But the new gaff
of Leicester City oversaw a three zip beating of west
Ham after the former city coach Steve Cooper was marched
last weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Of course, the third day that we're working together and
I'm making decisions on the team and players are in
or out and not even properly spoken to them. But
I can only complement the players how they reacted and
buying into some new ideas.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And white Burn cricketing superstar mealy K is a reveling
in her work commitments ahead of the home, domestic and
international season, after having a mad time overseas recently, a
bit of ossie cricket and of course winning the T
twenty World Cup.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
It's our job and I love doing it, training and playing,
and I think it's utilizing the time at home. Yes,
we're busy and we're playing that actually being able to
spend time in your own home and it does feel
almost like her rest, just because you're not living out
of a suitcase leading a vix.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We've got just the ticket. It's Sports Fix News Talk.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
We're now by former ic C chair Greg Barclay. Greg, Hello,
do you sir? Good? Good? What You've only been out
of the job a few days and already the media
on your case. It doesn't stop, does it. The issue
around at the moment, of course, is the slow overrate,
something that you'd suggest has been dogging international cricket will
Test cricket for some time now. In your former position,
(03:33):
the attitude that's been taken, the rules that have been
put in place, Why what are you trying to achieve?
What was the ICC trying to achieve by putting these
restrictions and penalties in well.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
I think, first of all, is just about the fans
and making sure that they get what they're paid for,
which is a certain amount of cricket every day. So
it was it was all designed to ensure that, you know,
there was a minimum standard and a minimum amount of
cricket that was delivered through the course of a day,
and it was deemed at the time, and I think
that most teams are able to comply that that was
(04:08):
a fair number of overs to expect any team in
test cricket to get through. There's a second consideration as
well as the fans and fan expectation. That's there's a
commercial consideration overlay because a number of broadcasters will actually,
as part of their contracts, take the time in between
(04:29):
overs to sell advertising. So of course the third paid
an amount for broadcasts and broadcast rights, and they're getting
eighty overs in a day, not ninety. That's ten five
whatever slots that they don't have available to them in
terms of advertising returns. So there is a commercial consideration
out of this as well, which potentially puts boards at
(04:49):
odds with their broadcast or their media rights agreements. But
primarily it is about setting amment standard to ensure that
a certain amount of cricket has actually played each day.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
To you would agree though with teams like news in
On in England the most recent transgresses of this law.
Is it actually working because it's in that case not.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Yeah, Statistically, I don't know whether since this particular rule,
and bear in mind that that was something that was
put in place in consultation with the players and their
representatives the icec's Credit Committee to actually, I guess there's
something other than just find them are impose a monetary penalty.
(05:30):
So this was the agreed outcome that maybe they docked
a few points for. And there are only the games
that matter, of course, that will championship games. That's what
we're talking about here. As I say, to get a
minimum standard and have all the teams consistent across in
the number of OBErs that they're delivering in a day's play.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
So is it working?
Speaker 7 (05:51):
I think generally most teams are trying hard to comply
and to meet that standard, So I'd suggest that yes,
it probably is. Is it perfect clearly not? Is there
a better way to do it? Probably, mind's better than mine.
Across those crediting committees and you know, the guys that
have played and been in the game at that level.
You might have to go back and see if there's
(06:12):
another alternative that they could bring to beer.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
But this was certainly the agreed.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Consensual position to land on was to dock points, and
I think, as I say, generally most teams seem to
be able to get through there. Over some in New
Zealand has been an excellent performer. I think that this is,
if I'm right, this is cefirst transgression in terms of
being dock points. So we traditionally run the medium pace
(06:36):
and meaning fast attack. We don't use spinners a lot
of New Zealand. We still hit the ninety overs a day,
so it is clearly achievable.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We're doin by former ic C chair Greg Barclay. Interesting,
you talking about this is new phrase and directly say this,
but putting the fans at the center of the room,
it's about them, but there are commercial issues around there
as well. So if you put the fans at the
center of the room and the game finishes a day early,
this is what Ben Stokes was referencing. A social media
(07:05):
account doesn't really matter that a few days were lost
in the middle to the fan because they're going to
sit through it regardless, and then in an extra day
of cricket. Is it that essential?
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Yeah, well, I think that you're the second guessing actually
the outcome of a game when you start, and I
guess I mean I really even thought about that.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
But the crollery to that, of course, is what evens.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
If you know you need another four or five overs
to pick up a last wicket on the end of
day five and you've been consistently bowling eighty five overs
a day, so you've effectively sold yourself short by twenty
or twenty five overs. Does that come into the reckoning
in terms of additional time in day five? I don't know,
but I think that ninety was considered achievable. It was
(07:49):
a fair number, it was consistent across the teams. It
took into account, as you said, the fan and keep
making sure they've got a minimum amount of cricket. And
there are some commercial considerations, as I said.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Greg Bagley, join us, Greg, I'm interested in the ninety day.
Ninety overs a day be possible. I'm presuming test will
run around that. And there's also the interference of maybe
you have twenty six, is it? And you lose the ball?
Maybe there are too many bowler changes, maybe drinks, maybe
too many wickets, mid pitch meetings, injuries, he the list
(08:24):
goes on. So when you look at that ninety overs,
how do you take into account the actual timing of
that throughout the day, with the possibility of interruptions. And
at the bottom line, it is possible, I presume if
nothing too much goes on.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Yeah, and all of that is taken into account. There
is the mechanism is in place to make adjustment, to
take an account injury or as you said, the number
of times the ball across as a boundary, any merory
of the kind of things. So all that time that
(08:58):
it's lost for legitimate reasons has taken into account. So
it's not a hard and fast ninety overs. It might
end up being eighty seven overs depending on whatever. But
ninety that's the benchmark, and that's the standard. And then
I guess that you come back from there and better
minds than mine across the referees and the umpires or
whatever will use the tools that they've got to make
(09:21):
those calculations to bring it back to a fear number
without unduly penalizing players or teams.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm sure this has been discussed, but this situation laud
New Zealand. There was already a pretty slim chance to
get to the World Test Championship final. It's pretty much
gone now. I mean to mathematical chants are granted, but
by deducting points in the World Test Championship, surely that
is more of a punishment to the fan base than
(09:48):
the players themselves, because the fans are the ones that
want to see their team play at the highest level.
So in a sense, they get punished for something that
the players did.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, And again it's another consideration, isn't it.
And that's precisely what happened to Australia in the first
round of the World Test Championship. We're dock points and
I think in a NASHSS series from memory and that
that was critical. It meant that they actually missed their
slot in the World Test Championship Final. But you know,
(10:20):
I guess that you know the opposite applies as well,
doesn't it. You know, those players are effectively letting their
fans down and missing an opportunity to get to a
World Test Championship final by being sort of slow or
not giving enough consideration to getting through those overs. Because
(10:41):
as I said, it's not like we're not talking about
an unreasonable target here. Most teams in most games managed
to hit that ninety over thing, and there is the
mechanism to adjust if there are good reasons to bring
that over a number of overs down. So we're talking
about leggeds here. You know, if they're just simply not
getting through their overs, then maybe the fans have got
(11:03):
the cause to take the team or the players to account.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Thanks very much for your time, and you're honest. You
look after yourself an enjoy summer.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Yeah, thanks starting you too, all the best.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
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Speaker 3 (11:23):
Joe Parker is set to go the man I call
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Champion of the World has been on the decline all
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now he's found himself a nutritionist as well. That is
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doing the world of good for Joe Parker. He had
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old man. You've had your fun, you made your money.
What are you doing still in the ring? You're getting
your brain punch to smithereens, Why don't you take your money,
you concentrate on being a dad, get out of the
(12:06):
squared circle. Joe Parker said he would retire earlier rather
than later, and we'll see if there's any truth in that.
But what Joe Parker did do was ignore the noise
around him. I've been lucky enough to be close enough
to Joe Parker for quite some time now, and he's
always been steadfast in his knowledge that he is still
(12:29):
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bowed down in front of the criticisms around where he
stood in the world heavyweight landscape. Sure he had a
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I look to the Anthony Joshua situation with an Italian
(12:52):
referee who refused to let them clinch. There have been
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toward the opposition as opposed to Joe Parker, but he
has excused the pun fought through all of this, and
now he finds himself standing again on the cusp of
yet another world title up against the man who was
(13:15):
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Like it or lump it. But I'm looking forward seeing
(13:37):
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And we wander into the chamber now hand in hand
with Nathan Limb. It's not the truth. I'm not touching,
and Nathan Limb news TALKSB sports reporter would talk some sport,
a couple of big stories today overrates Nathan over rates
when you stand on this one.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
Yeh see.
Speaker 10 (14:05):
I actually have mixed feelings about this because Ben Stokes
made a really good point England captain on his Instagram story,
which is there were still ten hours of play left
in the test. They finished on day four, still had
an unused day five, so why does it matter that
the overright was a bit slow when we had a
result within four days. However, I did feel that it
(14:28):
was slow. The Test was slow to watch, and I
like that they keep teams on their toes with the
over eight because as a fan, I want to see
as much cricket as possible, and if the players are
messing around in the field and aren't getting through the
overs quickly, then I'm not seeing as much cricket and
the entertainment product isn't as good.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Do you notice it when it slows down? You're actually
as opposed to just seeing because what fifteen overs per
hours roughly what they're doing thirty extrap l eight ninety
runs per over, So when that's happening, you don't need
to look at the figures. You know this is not fasten.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
Well, well, I know they're supposed to be ninety overs
in a day.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
So if I'm sitting there and it's only sixty five
overs through, I think sweet, I've still got ages to
watch and then I realized, oh, actually there's only an
hour left in the days players, so I actually haven't
seen as much cricket as I should have seen. So yes,
I do notice it. However, by deducting World Test Championship
points and punishing the teams actually punishing the fans too,
because and that the fans are who you're doing this for, right,
(15:22):
So the fans are going to be disappointed in.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
The center of the room exactly, That's what it's all about.
Speaker 10 (15:27):
So the fans are going to be disappointed at the
slow over right, and now also disappointed that their team
has been docked World Test Championship points. So what I
think they should have done? Find the players don't actually
affect the tournament itself, So find the players their match
feeds are the players still have an incentive to get
through there over as quickly, and therefore the fan gets
the amount of cricket that they want to see, and
the team isn't actually hampered by this. In regards to
(15:49):
the wider context of the World Test Championship, you're just
coming down on the players.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Like so you're a nuffy of cricket playing and you
love the sport inside and out and you'll appreciate all
the nuance of it. But when you're sitting there watching
it and you know they're messing around and they're picking
their nose and they're flicking boggers and they're changing i
don't know, changing pads, changing gloves, that that irritate you.
Because average person a gust Test cricket takes ages. Anyway,
what are you doing? They just relax, pro relax.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
Well yeah, see some people would say that, but I
crackit fans exactly. I think that there needs to be
a bit of haste sometimes in between overs.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, and I like the punishment, but as you said,
it's a bit unfair because the fan being seemed to
the room. It's about us and although let's face it,
you get beaten by Sri Lanka too. Is that you
don't deserve to be in the final the World Test Championship,
do you do you?
Speaker 8 (16:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (16:38):
If you beat India three nils straight after it?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
One last thing on that, So can you actually fit
ninety overs in the day? Is that actually possible?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
See?
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Obviously it's going to be more possible on New Zealand
wickets which are greener and you have a pace attack
as opposed to a spin attack in India. But I
just feel this should be some ground to make up there.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Hold on the pace attack. It gets fast at the
other end, but you've got to spend all the time
wandering back to the start mark before he does it,
whereas the spinner just has to go back three steps.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
That's what I'm saying about. Obviously, it is easier when
you're playing in spin friendly conditions. So therefore overall New
Zealand and England they're going to have to work harder
because they have greener pictures. But I think in between
overs there could definitely be sped up.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
All right, there you go, We'll put you in charge
of World cricket. We'll be fine. That's the story.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Sounds good.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Tell me about netball that this is something new. But
netball have been trying over recent times. You look at
fast five to actually change the whole landscape of the
sport internationally, aren't they? Is this ill founded and insane
or have they got a point? I wanted to change
this and havevala World champions well every two years now.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
Yeah, So okay, just for the context on this.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
Earlier this week, a leaked prospectus was published by the
Daily Telegraph, which basically I went to World Netball about.
They explained it was a brainstorming document effectively with ideas
for how they can revolutionize the test calendar. And in
this document they talked about having by any of World Cups,
the World Cups every two years from twenty twenty seven,
and also the introduction of this new Continent Cup, which
(18:08):
would have the top team from each continent competing in
a tournament every two years alternating with those World Cups.
The idea behind this would be to bring more pinnacle
tournaments to which brings more eyes to netball. They had
a really successful World Cup in South Africa last year
and they're trying to capitalize on the back of that.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
You brought up Fast five.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
They're also looking at having multiple Fast five tournaments a year.
But they wanted to stress that these ideas are in
their very very premature stages, so this isn't something that's
going to be brought in in the next couple of weeks.
This is something that they are going to market with
to see what commercial opportunities there are sponsorship, et cetera
to fund this.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Was this a concession though, that the game internationally is
broken and needs to be renovated and needs the engine change.
Is this basically what they're saying, do you think, Nathan.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Well, I think it's just a general trend in sport
as a whole. We look at cricket, we have a
World Cup basically every year. Football is pinnacle events every
year or two years with the Euros and the World Cups.
So I think it's just netball evolving the same way
that every sport is evolving nowadays, becoming far more commercialized.
It is about money, it is about sponsorship, and netball
(19:16):
are supposed to have been slower to move in that
direction because it's not as big of a sport.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Well they've got no Common Games. Well they have, but
they haven't know how long that's going to last. So
there's another.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
Large in the twenty twenty six events.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, granted, but how long does the Commonwealth Games last?
And when no one actually knows do they? So they've
got to look ahead to that. And also I think globally,
the more pinnacle events you've got, the more eyeballs, the
more players they need, more international teams, and you can't
avoid that having just a handful that are any good
at the tops, fine that they need to get engagement
from a whole lot of other country. How do you
(19:50):
get that You get them in big tournaments, right exactly.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
So you have obviously New Zealand, England, Australia and now
Jamaica in recent times have become a real powerhouse. You've
also got Malawi and South Africa who are not that
far off, which will South Africa obviously draw with New
Zealand at last year's World Cup. And if you give
those teams more exposure, more opportunities, and especially in the
fast five format as well, a chance to shine, they
are going to get better and better and better. So
(20:14):
in a few years you will have a more well
rounded global structure. Before obviously it was just New Zealand
and Australia who are any good? And now we've got
England and Jamaica really up there competing as well. Give
it a few more years, few more tournaments, and we
could have South Africa, Malawi, maybe Uganda there as well.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
And I think the fast fives are much better sell
than standard netball. I don't want to diminish the import
of standard netball, but there's something about fast five that
appeals to people in this day and age, right, and.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Appeals to commercial sponsorship brands. They like it because of
the entertainment value. Fast five is the T twenty of netball,
the Rugby sevens of netball, and they want to use
that model of the seven's World Series circuit to try
and bring about spread the Fast five game, engage more
people in the sport of netbule and then you can
get them playing the seven a side version as well.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm going to unlock the door. I'm going to hold
your hand. We're going to walk out of the chamber.
Nathan Lehn, Newstalk TB Sports Reporter, things so much for
your time, Yeah, expertise and your knowledge.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Thank you, Darcy, your hands a bit sweaty, dissecting the
sporting agenda.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
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Speaker 3 (21:20):
Thanks very much for joining us in the Sports Fix.
That ties it up for another day, Wednesday, the fourth
of December twenty twenty four. If you've enjoyed the program,
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