April 1, 2025 • 17 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Tuesday 1st April 2025, D’Arcy discusses the latest on the 38th Americas Cup regatta with four-time America’s Cup winner Brad Butterworth. The Auld Mug is destined to never be fought for again on our waters. Or is there still a chance Kiwis can revel in the biggest global waterdance there is?
NZR and Ineos have settled their differences and the potentially lengthy and financially draining court case is closed. Where to now for NZR? D’Arcy has a thought or two...
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
It'd be a good day to you. Welcome on in
to the Sports Fixed podcast. My name is Darcy Walter Grave.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It is the first of.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
April twenty twenty five. Now, joke's about, well, where I
do I have to say?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
That didn't I'm really sorry for that.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
We're going to be covering the big sports stories of
the day. Of course, one of the biggest ones is
the America's Cup and the lack thereof for the next
defense is being decided that we can't afford it. Brad Butterworth,
ahem of Alingy and ten New Zealand fame, joins us
on the program to look at where too next and
what this means for Auckland. I'll be bringing some opinion
(00:57):
around Enios and n z are. They've come to a
conclusion the court cases off, so where two now? Whose
name is going to get smeared.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Across the backside of the All Blacks and all their
training ship as well. I've got a master plan and
let you know about that. And then in the chamber.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It is Alex Powell, New Zealand Held journalists as we
throw about some of the big sports stories of the day.
That is our master plan, looking forward to bringing to.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
You here on the Fix.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And in Sport Today, explosive Joseph Jurassic Parker is controlling
the controllables, pushing Tim Founding the pavement, stuff in his face,
hanging out with the fam, all with equilibrium.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
So who does he get to actually work on? Who
does he beat up next? Any idea?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
All I'm focused on now is this training.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I got George Locket here in New Zealand training, eating
any some of the family.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Training a good balance in life.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
But at the moment I haven't absolutely no idea.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
What wan't playing next?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The pressure mounts for Young Warrior's hero from the Weekends
come from behind.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Victory over the Tigers.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Half Luke Metcalf thinks that Leka Halesima is all that
and could be a whole lot more.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Freaking it's going to keep them, which is crazy, but
soarting to see how good he is and just imagining
how good.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He can be.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Twelve hours from christ to fire.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well, that's what super Rugby opicky team Mark to two
dealt with before dealing to the Blues burst like a
ground of the team before they took a trustee coach
to the game, and their trustee coach Whitney Hansen, we
can the delay was sweet.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
I think in moments like that you get to see
the true strength teams, and in particular for us, the
girls really bombed together across the shrip. The management just
kicked into action, made a claim b and in the
end I think properly the adversity brought us a bit closer.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And that's what sports said, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Use it's Sports Fix with Dancie Valdegrave.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And just like that, the short lived bun fight between
Anios sur Jim Radcliffe and he Are and you said
on Rugby has come to an end.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
A deal has been reached.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
The details are scarce or non existent for us anyway,
I don't think that matters. If both protagonists are happy
with the outcome, just let it go.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
The best thing.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Here is that it's not a long drawn out and
ultimately extraordinarily expensive situation.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I don't think Jim minds the.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Cost, but I know that end z are haven't exactly
got a lot of shekels to rub together.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So it's reached an end. It's over, it's done.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Move forward, So move forward where we'll move forward into
a space where they can now resell the bums of
the All Blacks and of course the training jerseys as well.
This leaves huge opportunity. So where would you go. Let's
make a list a couple of ideas. Number one, Nick
Mowbray out of Zeru. Come on, Nick, we know you
(04:07):
got pots of money. Why don't you curry some favor
up and down the Mattu By sticking zero on the
backsides of the Ill Blacks. You can even come up
with a deal to make all Black action figures. I
don't know, it's just an idea. How about the pif
that's the Saudi Public Investment Fund. I know people don't
want to have anything to do with the Saudi sport expansion,
(04:30):
but if the money's there, everybody else is taking it.
So throw your morals away and sign on the dotted line.
On a similar Middle Eastern tip, Emma its seemed to
have a lot of money to splash around. They're giving
a whole lot to the yachtsman in Team New Zealand.
So there is I thought, fon Terror? Do we go
with fon Terror, A very new Zealand company who are
(04:52):
right at the top of the tree. Look, these are
just ideas. I could go as far as suggesting n
z M, but I'm not sure if my own company
has got quite enough coin to look after the needs
and the wants of the all Blacks. Some ideas, I'm
sure they're being floated already. But look, the world is
(05:13):
your oyster. Get out there, sell and leave this horrible
Ineos experience where it belongs back in the distant past,
beating X.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports Vex.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And it's a warm welcome to America's Cup Hall of Famer,
four time winner of the olda mug, mister.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Brad Butterworth, Good day to you, Brad. Hello, it's the big.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
News coming out today that the America's Cup will not
be in Auckland, and only took a month for the
pals that be to decide it is no longer here
or not going to come back. I suppose the big
question to you, have we seen the end of the
America's Cup now with this news.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Look, who knows? You know?
Speaker 8 (05:59):
It's you know, it's changed quite a bit in terms
of I don't really understand the venue side of it,
because you know, the yacht clubs here and they've got
a lot of saying what could happen?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
They should just dig their toes in and have it here.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
You know, why would this operation not work?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think in due diligence appears a month after merely
posing that question, that it's conveniently sunk without a trace,
with no work put into it. Do you think there's
want on either side to actually have this.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Well, it's hard to say, and I think, you know,
I think NB pretty divided and whether they wanted here
or not.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
So I just don't understand that side of it.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
You know, in ninety five when we went to the
Yellow to San Diego, they gave us the Yellow Page,
so we had to set it.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Had to get our sales organized, you know.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
So I don't really understand the money that's needed to
run the event.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
But the Soviet what.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
About traction with the event itself? And you're in the community,
sailing community very very deeply on suggests.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Is the traction disappearing the.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
More times it's spends being defended away the.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
Cup's changed quite a lot now, you know, because I mean,
you can't sail your boats for a year for some
there's a bunch of draconian rules that have been put
in place, and it's you know, it's just uncommercial and
I don't think it's sustainable, but that's the way it is.
So you know, if you're asking me, I'd say you'd
see less teams than more teams.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
The way that they're trying to set this thing up.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
And you know, I think it's if it's not if
you can't run the event and the country where you're
defending it for that's a bad advert for everyone else.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Right when it comes to government putting money, council putting
money in, do you think that it's warranted?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
The chairs is that their country is fairly broken.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Putting seventy five million dollar toward an event like this
would be.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Foolhardy and it wouldn't make any friends. Where do you
sit on that?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
On government investment for something as big as the America's Cup,
I suppose for social cohesion and what actually does to
the public.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
Well, I think the government wastes a lot of money,
by the way, So you know, you can start there
but I would think that you know, the GST tap
from the teams, you would have got six teams here
last time.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
Yeah, there's there's a bunch of ways that you could
change it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
And you know they get to the esual teams wind
up paying for a lot of the.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Event costs anyway, not aside from what they spend here
just to set up and go sailing.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So it's not that it's not.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
A bunch of of rich guys trying to take money
out of New Zealand. It's it's a bunch of guys
trying to run an event here and it's just going
to stack up. But you know, there's so many rules,
so many consents that you have to have, there's so.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Many people with there.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
It's you know, it's just a yacht race. So you know,
it's hard to quantify really.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
When you look at the way sale GP has developed,
that would appear to me to be the future. Well,
the America's Cup is the past. Do you think that
New Zealanders are more inclined to be engaged in something
like sail GP, this new form of racing.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Well, I would agree with that because that's at the moment,
that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I mean, if you look at what Russell has created
with that whole.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
League of the side of things, it's it's you know,
it's fun, it's it's good to watch, it's you know,
it's been it's you know, it's a yachtsman has created that.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
So he's you know, it's he's inn a fantastic job.
And yes, I think it's you.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Know, it's a real problem for the America's Cup with that,
you know, because the America's Cup doesn't have any sailing it.
I mean it was the last time when sailing was
when New Zealand won in Barcelona, and now the boats
are sailing for another.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Year and a half. I mean, that's not sport, that's
just something else.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I wonder if and you probably can't comment on this
because you're not within the thickness of the team, but
it was so quickly moved across by emerates team New
Zealand you almost get the feeling that they just rather
go to Saudi Arabia anyway, And it was merely a
bit of lip service, this concept of having it here
after only four weeks, it's already been drop kicked.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
Look, I would never clue what they're doing. But I mean,
I just think that you know, the prize in the
America's cuts, the venue, bringing it back to your town
and sailing it. You know, we're the clubs, So it
just doesn't make sense to me. The biggest belief the.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's Chamber time here on the Fixed podcast, which about
Alex Pale, now sports journalist out of New Zealand Herald.
You're having a field deal this one one, Alex. I'm
talking America's Cup. It's always good grist.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Isn't it? This story?
Speaker 10 (11:00):
It feels like we don't have this for a couple
of years, aren't we. Well they won't they an now
looks like they won't take it to New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Is this a relief more than anything else? That I
like the fact.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
That within a month they've kai boshed it like this
is not happening, because we've got very excited for what
about a month and now is dead in the water.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Excuse the fun, but it is.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I think I made.
Speaker 10 (11:19):
Peace with it not being in New zanderlowback in what
twenty twenty two when they first announced it was going
off shore, and you know, we had a fairly successful
America's Cup last time out over in Barcelona, viewing hours
were a bit crap, but other than that, carry on
as you as normal.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So are you surprised that the government said, look, we
haven't got the money because they haven't got the money
for Eden Park, they haven't got the money for this.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I got no money they're spending on school lunches.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, I mean times are tough. We know that.
Speaker 10 (11:43):
Like you walk down the street and you see people
doing it pretty hard. So if they have to draw
a line and say well this is really isn't an
expense we need right now than fair play, like they've
got a country to run, not entertained.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Is it going to be missed?
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Yeah, I mean yes, of course it will be. We
like to think we're a sailing country. We saw how
well it was supported. However many times it was in
the past like kew do get behind the America's Cup.
We take a great deal of pride in it, but
this is just three hound.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Do we still take great pride and it did we
take and do we still and will we in the future.
The more detached comes from being a New Zealand team
because it's New Zealand And name but maybe a few
of the staff come from here, but the rest of it.
Speaker 10 (12:21):
Yeah, No, Look, I think ultimately we can make as
much of a song and dance of it not being
here as they want. The once all the racing starts,
people are going to get behind it, because that's what
happens when New Zealand teams play.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I've got a question for you, America's Cup or sale GP,
Which way to your roll? Because are they going to
try and pick up some government funding or some council
funding as well the sale GP.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Or they absolutely should.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
I mean if you look at drawing it up on paper,
you'd say America's Cup has the history, but sale GP
has the future. They've done such a good job of
making themselves available to as big an audience as they can.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
They take it around the world every year, every year.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
That's a key thing there, It's not just once every
four or five whatever years.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Yeah, the national identity is a very significant part of it.
Speaker 10 (13:04):
So if that's how can we get the effis of
being able to see sailing, thenbolutely I think that's the
way it'll go.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So at least move on to our next It's subject.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Neil Wagner, New wags the great Neil Wagner, I can
say that, right.
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Yeah, absolutely, Like you look at his record as a
test cricketer, I think it's only Richard Hadley got the
two hundred test work. It's quicker than him for any
New Zealander. You know, this guy is a modern day great.
I mean, do we perhaps not look on him as
favorably as we do because he's South African? I don't know,
but I know that. I mean I've just finished his
book while I was on Hola, and the love this
(13:39):
guy has for playing phanezeand or had playing Phanizeland just
cannot be measured. He is, for me, one of the
best to ever wear a Selver firm.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
When I first interviewed him way back when, when he
first turned up and started causing a bit of ruckers,
he was ridiculously enthusiastic and uplifted and positive and aggressive
and everything you want.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Nothing's changed, he just carried on the same old way.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I See.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
What I love about Neil Wagner is that we do
this job because we're not good enough to be international
sportsman of any kind.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Right you look at most people were so brutal that
well we are or aren't.
Speaker 10 (14:11):
So you've got a guy like Neil Wagner who isn't
from his own admittedly, but has made this his home.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
We can't do it, we'd love to do it. He
can do it.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
And I think the way that he puts absolutely everything
into what he does, I think as fans who wish
we were players, we'd say I would want to be
like him. I would want to leave nothing out there.
And that's why we love.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Now encapsulates the work is that we as Kiwis like.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
To think, like to think we have and of course
his signature, I'm going to bowl it short at your neck,
at your throat, and I'm going to do it all
day and I'm not going to stop.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Initially people are like, you can't do this. It's actually
you can. You're really good at it.
Speaker 10 (14:47):
Remember when he went to Australia and just basically stopped
Steve Smith's golden run. Steve Smith, you'd argue, hasn't been
the same since, and we argue he's coming back and
do it now and getting five hundred of his last.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Success or whatever is.
Speaker 10 (14:57):
But there was that little golden window where he came
back from his band and he made runs against everyone
not against Neil Wagner.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What about when he didn't play in India in the
great Agazz situation when he picked up those ten wickets,
but there was no place for Neil Wagner.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Get a theory about this.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I mean, it's not really a theory.
Speaker 10 (15:14):
It's a little thing I put to you off air
that the theory was you couldn't play Neil Wagner in
that series because as a left armer he would leave
footmarks outside the right hands off stunt for India spinners
to bowl into. That's sensible, but I reckon if you
put it to Neil Wagoner, he say I would have
bowled around the wicket for five days.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's his attitude.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
What a lovely way to go out pick up the
plunket shield for his new beloved team at the home ground.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
It was an old beloved team. I love bookings like that, aren't.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Sport just gives you these storylines that you wouldn't write.
You know, you think, no, wouldn't fall into plays like that,
But it just does with sport, and I think that's
why we all love it.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Hey, one final thing I see brother of the seven
time world champion, Michael Schumacher has come out in a
bit of a spray at Liam Lawson, get in the cuemate.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And what's good has that done? Ralph? You know, honestly,
Formula one is.
Speaker 10 (16:01):
Such a cutthroat sport that you'd think drivers would at
least have a bit of understanding what the other drivers
go through. And then you've got this guy coming out
who's not really been relevant for about twenty years for
anything he done on the track just comes out.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
In bags bags La Lawson and we know he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
To righth for ten years in Formula one, the various
degrees of success like six wins and one hundred and
eighty something starts. Then he tried DTM for about five
years and in one year at DTM, Liam Lawson destroyed
everything that he did. So I'd be careful if I
was him about slinging mud in Liam's direction. And there's
(16:36):
one thing, a famous sledge from back in history that
we can convert to this. At least Liam Lawson is
the best driver in his family. Alex, thanks very much
for joining us in the chamber. Always a pleasure, yes, mate.
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
It is the first of.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
April twenty twenty five. Now, joke's about, well, where I
do I have to say?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
That didn't I'm really sorry for that.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
We're going to be covering the big sports stories of
the day. Of course, one of the biggest ones is
the America's Cup and the lack thereof for the next
defense is being decided that we can't afford it. Brad Butterworth,
ahem of Alingy and ten New Zealand fame, joins us
on the program to look at where too next and
what this means for Auckland. I'll be bringing some opinion
(00:57):
around Enios and n z are. They've come to a
conclusion the court cases off, so where two now? Whose
name is going to get smeared.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Across the backside of the All Blacks and all their
training ship as well. I've got a master plan and
let you know about that. And then in the chamber.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It is Alex Powell, New Zealand Held journalists as we
throw about some of the big sports stories of the day.
That is our master plan, looking forward to bringing to.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
You here on the Fix.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And in Sport Today, explosive Joseph Jurassic Parker is controlling
the controllables, pushing Tim Founding the pavement, stuff in his face,
hanging out with the fam, all with equilibrium.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
So who does he get to actually work on? Who
does he beat up next? Any idea?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
All I'm focused on now is this training.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I got George Locket here in New Zealand training, eating
any some of the family.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Training a good balance in life.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
But at the moment I haven't absolutely no idea.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
What wan't playing next?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
The pressure mounts for Young Warrior's hero from the Weekends
come from behind.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Victory over the Tigers.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Half Luke Metcalf thinks that Leka Halesima is all that
and could be a whole lot more.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Freaking it's going to keep them, which is crazy, but
soarting to see how good he is and just imagining
how good.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He can be.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Twelve hours from christ to fire.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Well, that's what super Rugby opicky team Mark to two
dealt with before dealing to the Blues burst like a
ground of the team before they took a trustee coach
to the game, and their trustee coach Whitney Hansen, we
can the delay was sweet.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
I think in moments like that you get to see
the true strength teams, and in particular for us, the
girls really bombed together across the shrip. The management just
kicked into action, made a claim b and in the
end I think properly the adversity brought us a bit closer.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And that's what sports said, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Use it's Sports Fix with Dancie Valdegrave.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And just like that, the short lived bun fight between
Anios sur Jim Radcliffe and he Are and you said
on Rugby has come to an end.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
A deal has been reached.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
The details are scarce or non existent for us anyway,
I don't think that matters. If both protagonists are happy
with the outcome, just let it go.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
The best thing.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Here is that it's not a long drawn out and
ultimately extraordinarily expensive situation.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I don't think Jim minds the.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Cost, but I know that end z are haven't exactly
got a lot of shekels to rub together.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So it's reached an end. It's over, it's done.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Move forward, So move forward where we'll move forward into
a space where they can now resell the bums of
the All Blacks and of course the training jerseys as well.
This leaves huge opportunity. So where would you go. Let's
make a list a couple of ideas. Number one, Nick
Mowbray out of Zeru. Come on, Nick, we know you
(04:07):
got pots of money. Why don't you curry some favor
up and down the Mattu By sticking zero on the
backsides of the Ill Blacks. You can even come up
with a deal to make all Black action figures. I
don't know, it's just an idea. How about the pif
that's the Saudi Public Investment Fund. I know people don't
want to have anything to do with the Saudi sport expansion,
(04:30):
but if the money's there, everybody else is taking it.
So throw your morals away and sign on the dotted line.
On a similar Middle Eastern tip, Emma its seemed to
have a lot of money to splash around. They're giving
a whole lot to the yachtsman in Team New Zealand.
So there is I thought, fon Terror? Do we go
with fon Terror, A very new Zealand company who are
(04:52):
right at the top of the tree. Look, these are
just ideas. I could go as far as suggesting n
z M, but I'm not sure if my own company
has got quite enough coin to look after the needs
and the wants of the all Blacks. Some ideas, I'm
sure they're being floated already. But look, the world is
(05:13):
your oyster. Get out there, sell and leave this horrible
Ineos experience where it belongs back in the distant past,
beating X.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports Vex.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And it's a warm welcome to America's Cup Hall of Famer,
four time winner of the olda mug, mister.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Brad Butterworth, Good day to you, Brad. Hello, it's the big.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
News coming out today that the America's Cup will not
be in Auckland, and only took a month for the
pals that be to decide it is no longer here
or not going to come back. I suppose the big
question to you, have we seen the end of the
America's Cup now with this news.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Look, who knows? You know?
Speaker 8 (05:59):
It's you know, it's changed quite a bit in terms
of I don't really understand the venue side of it,
because you know, the yacht clubs here and they've got
a lot of saying what could happen?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
They should just dig their toes in and have it here.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
You know, why would this operation not work?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think in due diligence appears a month after merely
posing that question, that it's conveniently sunk without a trace,
with no work put into it. Do you think there's
want on either side to actually have this.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Well, it's hard to say, and I think, you know,
I think NB pretty divided and whether they wanted here
or not.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
So I just don't understand that side of it.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
You know, in ninety five when we went to the
Yellow to San Diego, they gave us the Yellow Page,
so we had to set it.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Had to get our sales organized, you know.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
So I don't really understand the money that's needed to
run the event.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
But the Soviet what.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
About traction with the event itself? And you're in the community,
sailing community very very deeply on suggests.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Is the traction disappearing the.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
More times it's spends being defended away the.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
Cup's changed quite a lot now, you know, because I mean,
you can't sail your boats for a year for some
there's a bunch of draconian rules that have been put
in place, and it's you know, it's just uncommercial and
I don't think it's sustainable, but that's the way it is.
So you know, if you're asking me, I'd say you'd
see less teams than more teams.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
The way that they're trying to set this thing up.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
And you know, I think it's if it's not if
you can't run the event and the country where you're
defending it for that's a bad advert for everyone else.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Right when it comes to government putting money, council putting
money in, do you think that it's warranted?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
The chairs is that their country is fairly broken.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Putting seventy five million dollar toward an event like this
would be.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Foolhardy and it wouldn't make any friends. Where do you
sit on that?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
On government investment for something as big as the America's Cup,
I suppose for social cohesion and what actually does to
the public.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
Well, I think the government wastes a lot of money,
by the way, So you know, you can start there
but I would think that you know, the GST tap
from the teams, you would have got six teams here
last time.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
Yeah, there's there's a bunch of ways that you could
change it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
And you know they get to the esual teams wind
up paying for a lot of the.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Event costs anyway, not aside from what they spend here
just to set up and go sailing.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So it's not that it's not.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
A bunch of of rich guys trying to take money
out of New Zealand. It's it's a bunch of guys
trying to run an event here and it's just going
to stack up. But you know, there's so many rules,
so many consents that you have to have, there's so.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Many people with there.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
It's you know, it's just a yacht race. So you know,
it's hard to quantify really.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
When you look at the way sale GP has developed,
that would appear to me to be the future. Well,
the America's Cup is the past. Do you think that
New Zealanders are more inclined to be engaged in something
like sail GP, this new form of racing.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Well, I would agree with that because that's at the moment,
that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I mean, if you look at what Russell has created
with that whole.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
League of the side of things, it's it's you know,
it's fun, it's it's good to watch, it's you know,
it's been it's you know, it's a yachtsman has created that.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
So he's you know, it's he's inn a fantastic job.
And yes, I think it's you.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Know, it's a real problem for the America's Cup with that,
you know, because the America's Cup doesn't have any sailing it.
I mean it was the last time when sailing was
when New Zealand won in Barcelona, and now the boats
are sailing for another.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Year and a half. I mean, that's not sport, that's
just something else.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I wonder if and you probably can't comment on this
because you're not within the thickness of the team, but
it was so quickly moved across by emerates team New
Zealand you almost get the feeling that they just rather
go to Saudi Arabia anyway, And it was merely a
bit of lip service, this concept of having it here
after only four weeks, it's already been drop kicked.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
Look, I would never clue what they're doing. But I mean,
I just think that you know, the prize in the
America's cuts, the venue, bringing it back to your town
and sailing it. You know, we're the clubs, So it
just doesn't make sense to me. The biggest belief the.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's Chamber time here on the Fixed podcast, which about
Alex Pale, now sports journalist out of New Zealand Herald.
You're having a field deal this one one, Alex. I'm
talking America's Cup. It's always good grist.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Isn't it? This story?
Speaker 10 (11:00):
It feels like we don't have this for a couple
of years, aren't we. Well they won't they an now
looks like they won't take it to New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Is this a relief more than anything else? That I
like the fact.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
That within a month they've kai boshed it like this
is not happening, because we've got very excited for what
about a month and now is dead in the water.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Excuse the fun, but it is.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I think I made.
Speaker 10 (11:19):
Peace with it not being in New zanderlowback in what
twenty twenty two when they first announced it was going
off shore, and you know, we had a fairly successful
America's Cup last time out over in Barcelona, viewing hours
were a bit crap, but other than that, carry on
as you as normal.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So are you surprised that the government said, look, we
haven't got the money because they haven't got the money
for Eden Park, they haven't got the money for this.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I got no money they're spending on school lunches.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, I mean times are tough. We know that.
Speaker 10 (11:43):
Like you walk down the street and you see people
doing it pretty hard. So if they have to draw
a line and say well this is really isn't an
expense we need right now than fair play, like they've
got a country to run, not entertained.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Is it going to be missed?
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Yeah, I mean yes, of course it will be. We
like to think we're a sailing country. We saw how
well it was supported. However many times it was in
the past like kew do get behind the America's Cup.
We take a great deal of pride in it, but
this is just three hound.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Do we still take great pride and it did we
take and do we still and will we in the future.
The more detached comes from being a New Zealand team
because it's New Zealand And name but maybe a few
of the staff come from here, but the rest of it.
Speaker 10 (12:21):
Yeah, No, Look, I think ultimately we can make as
much of a song and dance of it not being
here as they want. The once all the racing starts,
people are going to get behind it, because that's what
happens when New Zealand teams play.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I've got a question for you, America's Cup or sale GP,
Which way to your roll? Because are they going to
try and pick up some government funding or some council
funding as well the sale GP.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Or they absolutely should.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
I mean if you look at drawing it up on paper,
you'd say America's Cup has the history, but sale GP
has the future. They've done such a good job of
making themselves available to as big an audience as they can.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
They take it around the world every year, every year.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
That's a key thing there, It's not just once every
four or five whatever years.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Yeah, the national identity is a very significant part of it.
Speaker 10 (13:04):
So if that's how can we get the effis of
being able to see sailing, thenbolutely I think that's the
way it'll go.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So at least move on to our next It's subject.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Neil Wagner, New wags the great Neil Wagner, I can
say that, right.
Speaker 10 (13:18):
Yeah, absolutely, Like you look at his record as a
test cricketer, I think it's only Richard Hadley got the
two hundred test work. It's quicker than him for any
New Zealander. You know, this guy is a modern day great.
I mean, do we perhaps not look on him as
favorably as we do because he's South African? I don't know,
but I know that. I mean I've just finished his
book while I was on Hola, and the love this
(13:39):
guy has for playing phanezeand or had playing Phanizeland just
cannot be measured. He is, for me, one of the
best to ever wear a Selver firm.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
When I first interviewed him way back when, when he
first turned up and started causing a bit of ruckers,
he was ridiculously enthusiastic and uplifted and positive and aggressive
and everything you want.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Nothing's changed, he just carried on the same old way.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I See.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
What I love about Neil Wagner is that we do
this job because we're not good enough to be international
sportsman of any kind.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Right you look at most people were so brutal that
well we are or aren't.
Speaker 10 (14:11):
So you've got a guy like Neil Wagner who isn't
from his own admittedly, but has made this his home.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
We can't do it, we'd love to do it. He
can do it.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
And I think the way that he puts absolutely everything
into what he does, I think as fans who wish
we were players, we'd say I would want to be
like him. I would want to leave nothing out there.
And that's why we love.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Now encapsulates the work is that we as Kiwis like.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
To think, like to think we have and of course
his signature, I'm going to bowl it short at your neck,
at your throat, and I'm going to do it all
day and I'm not going to stop.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Initially people are like, you can't do this. It's actually
you can. You're really good at it.
Speaker 10 (14:47):
Remember when he went to Australia and just basically stopped
Steve Smith's golden run. Steve Smith, you'd argue, hasn't been
the same since, and we argue he's coming back and
do it now and getting five hundred of his last.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Success or whatever is.
Speaker 10 (14:57):
But there was that little golden window where he came
back from his band and he made runs against everyone
not against Neil Wagner.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
What about when he didn't play in India in the
great Agazz situation when he picked up those ten wickets,
but there was no place for Neil Wagner.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Get a theory about this.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I mean, it's not really a theory.
Speaker 10 (15:14):
It's a little thing I put to you off air
that the theory was you couldn't play Neil Wagner in
that series because as a left armer he would leave
footmarks outside the right hands off stunt for India spinners
to bowl into. That's sensible, but I reckon if you
put it to Neil Wagoner, he say I would have
bowled around the wicket for five days.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's his attitude.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
What a lovely way to go out pick up the
plunket shield for his new beloved team at the home ground.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
It was an old beloved team. I love bookings like that, aren't.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Sport just gives you these storylines that you wouldn't write.
You know, you think, no, wouldn't fall into plays like that,
But it just does with sport, and I think that's
why we all love it.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Hey, one final thing I see brother of the seven
time world champion, Michael Schumacher has come out in a
bit of a spray at Liam Lawson, get in the cuemate.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And what's good has that done? Ralph? You know, honestly,
Formula one is.
Speaker 10 (16:01):
Such a cutthroat sport that you'd think drivers would at
least have a bit of understanding what the other drivers
go through. And then you've got this guy coming out
who's not really been relevant for about twenty years for
anything he done on the track just comes out.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
In bags bags La Lawson and we know he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
To righth for ten years in Formula one, the various
degrees of success like six wins and one hundred and
eighty something starts. Then he tried DTM for about five
years and in one year at DTM, Liam Lawson destroyed
everything that he did. So I'd be careful if I
was him about slinging mud in Liam's direction. And there's
(16:36):
one thing, a famous sledge from back in history that
we can convert to this. At least Liam Lawson is
the best driver in his family. Alex, thanks very much
for joining us in the chamber. Always a pleasure, yes, mate.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
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