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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Judder and Welcome to Inside Nipple. Today we're joined by
one of, in fact two of nipples faces competitors, competitors
and all round game changes. Two silver ferns, two defensive powerhouses,
Cuttenberger and the kayleab Soklitch beats In both.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Known for their relentless work.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
If it's smart speed and signature hustle, and they're building
towards a huge Grand Final which is just around the corner.
What's it going to take to win that one? We
hear from these two very shortly. First, the tactics they
got there. It was close gen in the elimination final.
At halftime, it was the pulse that were up and
(01:08):
all of a sudden momentum swing and here came the tactics.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Well, I loved it. What I couldn't get over though,
was that you know, it was somebody said, you know,
the old cliche game of two halves but man, the
way Tiana Maturo was putting in the long ball to
Warmsley in the first half, her passing was so quick,
and I have to say, you know, I was thinking, Okay,
she doesn't shoot many goals, but boy, her delivery is outstanding.
(01:35):
But then it kind of changed, and I wonder if
tactics kind of worked her out. And that two point
shot of tp selby Rickett just you know, on halftime,
I think that really galvanized the Tactics and they were away.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And also I think a big shift was defensively, the
Tactics started to stand out Burger shifting back into Gold offense.
I don't know, she just needed that sort of first
first half to warm up.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And then by gosh, they really suffocated the.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Pulse because you know, up until in that first half,
what Warmsley was averaging fourteen fifteen goals. In the second half,
you know, she was only averaging third quarter eight, fourth
quarter four. And so to me that suggests the Tactics
offense just smothered. And you know, you talk about Matudo
feeding Warmsley Gordon as well, Boy, she just got.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The ball turned into Wormsley.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So and to think that, you know, there were ten
goals ahead in that last quarter.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Was it the Tactics posted well to bring it back
to five. They did it with those two point shots.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Look, last week we were quite critical of the Tactics
defense for not double marking Wollom. You know, the ball
was just whipping into Wollom. That was the difference I
saw in the second half. The Tactics were quite deliberately
double marked Wormsley at times and let Matuito or Mary Sala,
Will you guys hang out there?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You can't shoot from outside the circle.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I thought that was clever and I wonder if
they'll take that into this week. I also I listened
to Cuttenberger after the match and she basically said, we.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Throw everything out at our time and went to go
for it. And that's what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They That is when Cuttin and Jane are so good, right,
They're just everywhere the arms, legs, and they came away
with ball and it was almost like all of a sudden,
the Pulse just didn't know where to put the ball
in gen and I wasn't surprised. I know you you
speak highly of Matudo in that first half, but things
changed for in the second half, and I actually thought
(03:31):
perhaps they could have brought Molly Sella on earlier.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Oh do you think, yes, I do think you think
you made a lot of turnovers, Yes, But what I
was going to say is I think that the Pulse.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Have dealt all.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Season with injuries and illness at various times. And then
it was the number of substitutions they had to make.
They made eighteen in that game. The Tactics made one,
so they knew exactly what they were doing. There was
a flow and like we both talked about, you know,
just that second half was just a blur of red
(04:07):
and I mean they thoroughly deserved it, they really did.
And yeah, as for Mature, see I found that quite reassuring.
I did think that Maturo should have been taken off earlier.
But then you did only have Melli Sella to put on,
didn't you, Which I'm not a Well, she's an impact playerson.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
She Melli seller comes on for the for the for
the two point shots which she shot, I think, what
did she get three or three?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Three or four?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
In?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So she did her job.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But I think, as you heard from Anna Andrews to Soola,
she you know, on reflection of the season, like It's
been quite an up and down season for the Pulse.
They've had sickness, they've had injuries, and she you know,
explained that at the end. So I think the best
team made made got the win, and I'm happy that
it's a North versus South final. You know, we talk
(04:52):
about the tactics to defense. Ali Bird, I'm sorry, was
outstanding in that second half. And if TP and Bird
can nail and we'll get into the more of the
final chat in a minute, if they if they are
on song against the Mystics, it will be close, come
down to the mid court. But I thought, yeah, attacking wise,
she was very impressive. Forty seven from fifty five, eighty
(05:14):
five percent.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
She was.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And the other telling factor I thought at the end
of the game was you saw a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Emotion from the Pulse.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
There were a lot of tears and that kind of
to on a solo's point, A lot's gone down this
season and you can see that, you know, from the
injury illness, it has been tough, and it was almost
like that exhausted, you know that were gusted obviously not
to make the final, but you know you just almost
saw it coming out.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
That's what it felt like watching.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I don't know if that's right, but that as a viewer,
that's what it showed.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Well, it's been a shorter, sharper season, hasn't it. It's
only been what ten rounds? Boom boom boom. You're aware
that you can't afford to drop any many any or
many games.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
A lot of pressure, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So yes, I agree Tactics they went unbeaten, So yeah,
I made it at home for the season and I
love that when you're getting such a big crowd that's
supporting their team, and they did. They were loud, so
very very North South. Absolutely, Annie, it's going to be fabulous.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It is. It is Grand Final week.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
So who should we talk to? Well, one from each camp. Kuttenberger,
Michaela's Sockletic beats in and they join us on Inside Netball.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
The Inside Netball Podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
How lucky are we?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Not one guest but two this week we're Kuttenberger from
the Tactics, Mikayla Socklitch bets in from the Missis. Thank
you so much for joining us. One's got a big
jacket on, so it's obvious she's from the South Slash Current.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Although I'm saying that, Mickey, I think you might have
a bit of a jacket on there too.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah I do, but I actually am. I'm roasting, roasting although.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's been freezing.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, I know we're such auckland is now look kind
of let's start with you.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
What a match that second half against the Pulse. It
was phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You yourself were outstanding. When did you know that game
was yours?
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
I think we just went into the game knowing that
it was do or die. So personally, for me, I
never felt too stressed or worried about the game. Even
though our first half wasn't as good as our second half.
I think we still executed a few quite a few
things really well, and so you just have to stay
positive about it, and you just have some of those
games where you feel really good and you just don't
(07:29):
worry about the score because you feel the momentum coming.
And I think then that second half it just took off.
So personally I wasn't too worried that whole game. But
I don't know if Donnad would say the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
The momentum certainly swung on that second half, Mackey.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You had the luxury of having a weekend off no
games as such?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
What did the Mystics do to prepare?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Actually good, we did have the weekend off, did you
we needed it? Man out, We tired bodies, just we
can week out training that accumulative load. We still trained
on Saturday, but we did it independently, so it was
like a real nice mental refresh for us.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
And well, I guess this is a question for both
of you. I mean, how significant is it that that
last time that your two teams met? And you can
feel free to both answer this was the fact that
that was a that was a big result for the Mystics.
Is that going to weigh on Karen on the tactics heads?
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Not too much, to be honest, at the end of
the day, regardless of what happened throughout the season as so,
how you show up on the last game. So yes,
there are some things to take from it and learn
from it, but we're not too worried about what happened then,
because if we do all this work and we focus
so much but we don't show up on the day,
then none of that really matters and vice versa. So
(08:55):
just writing off everything because that's not really a game
we want to go back to. So just focusing on
putting out a good performance from our last one.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And McKey, in contrast, did that give your side confidence
coming away with that such a big result? I actually
couldn't agree more with Puddin. No, it's like that's been,
that's gone. Finals is such a different ballgame. Like tactics
bet us by like more than ten midway through the season,
(09:26):
we bet them like it just comes down to the day. Mickey,
You've lost a couple of big names this year, and
we'll be honest here on inside Peopoll, we didn't have
a couple of us, didn't have you in our top.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Three for that reason.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How proud of you are in your team as a
whole that you're forged on and really not mister beat Yeah,
if I'm honest, you guys really put a rocket up.
We saw that like not gonna lie. We were like,
why would you do that? Why would anybody doubt our
(10:02):
team when the like there's still a really big core
that is still there. We were like, I wouldn't do
the other old mistakes. A lot of experience that left
though a lot of experience that left, So you must
be so proud of the ones that have, you know,
the less experienced ones that have really stood up, but
then heaps of experience that came yeah, like yeah, wholly
(10:24):
over one hundred caps and now like an Ossie International
that's just a strong personality and anchor just and yeah,
honestly so proud the way that even someone like Katie
who's in her third year, stepped up, Catherine Hall, even
pett has taken on a massive leadership role. So regardless
of the outcome on the weekend that there's some girls
(10:44):
that honestly can just be so happy with how they've
played all year. You both actually are both well gold
Defense Wing defenses.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Carden.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We saw Donna put a bit of a spinner in
the work she started with you at wing defense. Mickey,
we've seen you for the most of the last couple
of years playing wing defense. You're now playing so well
at gold defense, Carden. First, for you, how did you
think that slide worked switching across to wing defense in
Paris and at GD Yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Guess playing a different position for me personally allowed a
little bit of a different perspective because I don't know,
Mickey might be saying, because Goldie wing there is two
very different things, and so being able to play out
the front and being able to see what's happening and
then being going back into the back and knowing where
the hunts are I think was very beneficial for me.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
And I guess just changing things up.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
You know, everybody brings something different in every position, and
clearly that worked for us. So whether we do it
again or not, who knows. We'll leave that up to
the coach to decide.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
But I think.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Mixing it up sometimes, like Micky mentioned earlier, you know,
we'd have tired bodies. We've been training week in week out,
and if you keep doing the same thing, you need
to keep getting the same results. So sometimes you have
to change things up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And Mickey, you loving GD because you're playing really well.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I like working with Catherine because I can just be
left in my own devices out there like col I
just do my thing and she's kind of on her own.
It seems to work for us, probably because kat is
also quite good at just doing her own role, So
I like that aspect of it.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
It could be Mickey that tapius Selby Rickett that's probably
one of the well, one of the biggest threats along
with old Karen Berger there of the tactics. Do you
think it will that be your job on Sunday taking
care of her?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Honestly, I don't know. I'm a bit like cut it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I'm just waiting for the coaches to let me know
where they think they might want me. But yeah, TEPS
has been awesome. All yeah, I think I don't know
what it is. It's almost like she's just playing with
freedom and when she's on, that whole attacking end is on.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
So yeah, someone's going to have to try and stop that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Now there's a question here, and I think Eddie's added
this to our list of questions.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
About a jar of pickled juice.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And I think this is directed at and I know
my boys get terrible cramps, so I'm guessing is this
something you carry around for?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
What?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
What?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
What's with the pickle juice?
Speaker 8 (13:16):
Yeah, definitely, we've got a cramp's crew in our group.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
I didn't want to say. It's the experience to be
whether it works, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
I haven't personally been part of that group before, but
we always YEP, game day pickle juice is important. It's
just you know, short straw about who's carrying it in
and out in the little cups.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Out of the pickles or have they been eaten?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No, it's juice, it's too yes.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
But whoever wants the pickles can take them home.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Mickey, you said earlier how much leadership Peter's showing down
that mid court. She is hugely influential in your side.
I mean, how much do you value her? Because you know,
a year and year out, we feel like we're constantly
talking about Petter and how good she is in that
one attack position. Yet in that silver fin environment she
often does get selected. I mean, here's your chance to
(14:11):
tell everyone just how good she is. Yeah, I guess
because she doesn't like doing media. You guys don't see
a massive side of her. She has the biggest heart,
and she like anytime she speaks, it's with real purpose
and the whole group kind of hang on every word
(14:32):
she says. And she's someone who really motivates our group.
And it makes me sad that she hasn't been able
to kind of show the world how good she is.
And I do hope that this year is her year
where she can shine.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
If I was a selector, I would have had her
years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think she's been in our team wing attack team
of the virtually everywhere every week we're like, do we
choose anyone else?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We're like, no, it's still better, isn't it. Jim yep?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Now tell me. I think you two were both in
your respective teams four years ago when you last played
in the in the final? No you will were you injured?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I was injured?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Okay, Well in that case, Karen, I'll come to you.
What you know, What do you remember about that game?
Because I suspect it was a terrific final.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
It was.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
It was a really fun one. I know it was
at Spark Arena. I know that there was a lot
of blue in the crowd and we had spots of
real every here and there. But I remember it being
a really tight game, and I think that's what you'd
expect in a finals game, you know, Thank goodness.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I'm not an attacker.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I don't want to be an attacker, but there's so
much emphasis on making sure that you actually just score
your own and then you know, defensively you just have
to work your butt off to try and get some ball.
You don't really want it to be too much of
a defensive game because then that means your attackers aren't
doing their jobs. So I think at the end of
the day, it's a stressful time, but it's fun and
(16:03):
I think that's what makes it so much fun for
the crowd as well. And it's such such a tight game.
Each of your seat, you know, the crowds into it.
Every player is putting their body on the line. So
hopefully we can repeat that again on this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So you've had a number of players this season step
up cut in and these players have to go to
a TP and Jane and that've made themselves unavailable for
the Silverns they have previously do. I mean TP in
particular just looks so refreshed. We talked to her a
few weeks ago and she's obviously loving having Dons there.
(16:37):
Do you think the door with this eligibility chair all
these things is do you think that slightly opens a
little more for the likes of TP?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Would she be tempted or hard to know?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
I guess it's quite hard because every player would have
their own reasons for making the decisions that they make.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I think for the.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Outside world, it's quite hard for them to understand that
we're actually humans outside of the NETF sometimes and yes
it is our job. We do get paid for it,
but it's a very physically demanding job and also very
mentally and emotionally, and so we put a lot of
our lives on hold outside of neckball to try and
commit to this, and so everybody will be at different
(17:18):
playing fields in their lives around what they want for
their lives at whatever stage that is. Potentially this would
open up a new leache, you know, being able to
be in a different environment learning new things. Because Mickey
will be able to probably speak to this as well,
that we're constantly at this level looking for development and
just being better and something new, and we just don't
(17:40):
want to be doing the same thing every day. We've
got high expectations of ourselves, not just as neckballers but
as humans too, and so whatever that life looks like
for you outside, I think people need to try and
have a little bit more compassion when players tend to
make these decisions, and instead of just bashing them about
the decisions that they make, you know, where we want
to try and have a balance on both sides, and
(18:02):
whether that looks about doing both or leaning towards one
or the other, I think that's up to the players
to decide.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So would the eligibility rule, would either of you look
at going offshore?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Mickey you first?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Honestly, I would be very surprised if there would be
an opening for me overseas somewhere. They're probably look at
me and think I'm not that broken lady, But I
love them as sex.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
That's where my heart is and I'm happy as staying here.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Got it. It's a tough one.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
There's a lot of things to consider, and it's really
not just as easy as yeah, you're allowed to go
do that now.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
It's like Mickey c too.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
They'll have their solid lineups, they'll have their players, they'll
have their development coming through. They've got an amazing clump.
So whether they even want any of our players, who knows.
And you know, there's a lot of Having mentioned there's
a process now and that it could be a tedious
and long process too, and where the players want to
go through.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
That, who knows. So never say never.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
But yeah, like I'm pretty I'm pretty happy with the
technics too.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well, Karen. Two for you, I mean, you've already made
one big move and I mean, how do you feel
South Africa coming here? For the tiny Jemison. I mean
that must be quite a thrill.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I'm really excited about it, to be honest. I love
seeing the young ones. I think there's so many young
ones in South Africa coming through now and it's so
exciting seeing that new talent and they're just ferocious and
they just want it so much and the desire whenever
they do.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
When I see them going on tours overseas, they just
love it so much.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
And I think sometimes us who travel a lot can
forget how grateful we need to be about being able
to do that.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
And you just when you see.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
Those players, just to me personally, I just that ignites
that that love for the game and the excitement again.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
So really looking forward to that game or that series.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Actually, we're going to get to some quick fire questions
that we love to throw at our fast five at
our guests. But before we get to that, and I
know it's hard because you're both on the line and
both listening to each other, but what is what can
you tell us that's going to be key for each
of your sides to take the win and come away
with the trophy. This weekend, you're waiting who's going to
(20:19):
go first, Mickey, what do you reckon? I think the
best thing about both mystics and tactics, and I said
this to the tactics after our last game against him,
is we've both got not only seven that will start
the game, but we've got a bench and a bench
that can play. And I think that is the secret Well,
(20:41):
it's it's a secret weapon, I think for both teams
because coaches aren't afraid to make changes, but they've got
the people there to actually make the changes. And I
think that that might be like what makes this game
so incredibly tight.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Cadam about you, I think that I mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
The key is just to not throw away ball, and
it's easy to see. You know, it's gonna be a
lot of pressure, but keys don't throw away ball, and
for us defensively, try and get all early. So you know,
whatever that looks like, we'll leave that to the coaches
to figure out strategies.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
But it's going to be a grind. It's going to
be a tough one.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We hope it's going to be closed. We love it
close around.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's so good for the crowds, and we know it's
going to have a lot of passion and fire so fast.
Five questions we might go, We'll ask it each time.
It might go cut them first and then, Mickey, if
that's okay?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Inside left balls fast five.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
The very first one coming. You look nervous already, like.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
My mind changes all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's good, that's good.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
If you could compete in any other sport, what would
it be?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Enis?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I want to be a tennis player.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I love it, Mickey.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Something low impact, something.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That could be harder. My knees are okay, so I
reckon lawn bowls if you could. If you could take
any three athletes to dinner past or present, who would
it be? Oh gosh, so New Zealand or abroad? Any
athlete no restriction.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Oh gosh, Serena Williams, Michael Jordans.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I think we've had him. If we Michael Jordan had
a lot of lebron.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Well, oh gosh, you saying Bolt, I don't know, we've
had we've had all of those.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think we've had children.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
That's it's really hard. There's so there's too many.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Oh that's yep, that's three, Mickey.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I actually have no idea, but definitely some female athletes
who who have really dug Deep and Knee did to
like kind of lead their own campaigns.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I don't know who they are, though, but yeah, some
sort of female.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
What about Kathy Freeman.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, we'll tuck her in gymnast the gymnasts, American gymnasts.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Actually, yeah, like someone likes moment.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, she'd be good because she Yeah, she's had to
make some tough calls about her career as well.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
People like that I think would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Karen's got another one. Look she wants for I do I.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Do because of fun? I want Alona ma.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh yeah, yes, if I just don't do an armory.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Store, there the fun, that'll be great chair great choice.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yes, now no, next question, who in your team is
most likely to get you into trouble and then to
get you out of trouble? So Karen you first?
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Potentially Charlie Fiddler.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yes, I'm not surprised into trouble or how to travel
and do And.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I love what you heard on the sideline. Oh yes,
oh my goodness. Best cheerleader.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Yeah, great vibes. She definitely keeps up the cheerleing and
crew out of trouble. Oh gosh.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
I think it'll be either either Jane or Ali.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
We've had Jane before.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think someone's actually said that that you would get
them out of trouble too, Just so, just so you know,
was that.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Mackey who would get you into trouble?
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Holly Fowler? Holly Ray would get me into trouble?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That was a quick response.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, I just I just past experience, and I feel
like cat Hole would get me out of the trouble.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
She seems very, very, very sensible.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I was just hardly thinking about if you heard yourself,
she'd be able to help you too. Medical background.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Always good having a doctor in your team.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
What is your go to post game snack or meal?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Anything fried and like?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Yeah, I like fries, a burger, juicy burger, like yeah,
something like hearty like that great burger and fries.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It's been common too, Yeah, Mickey in a phizzy.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
In a phizzy, I'm a quarter pound of combo with
a fantas really healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Girls, I'm loving we can wake out.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
That's what I'm having.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That's the time to have it, Absolutely, that's.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
The perfect time to have it.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And last one best piece of advice you've ever been given.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Oh, oh my gosh, I don't I don't think I
have one best one, because every advice I've gotten in
the past has helped me out of a specific situation.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
There's not one that's always been the go to so
many if you know, go for it. I'm just think
about this.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Mine's probably hard work isn't always going to be enough.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Oh that's quite philosophical.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, So often we get told hard work will get
us there, but it's not always true, unfortunately, I think
to you, coming obviously off a couple of pretty tough
injuries as well, you realize as well, you can train
as hard as.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You can and then it just happens.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Sometimes unfortunately it just does.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
I think I'm gonna go similar to my keys. But
and it's not advice that I've been given. But what
I've learned as well is you got to work hard
to make things happen. But then if it doesn't happen,
it wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
So that's a nicer way to put it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I like that sort of a roundabout. Hard work beats
talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Oh now you're throwing you are goodness me a question.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Oh look, we really appreciate your time, We really enjoyed
the fact that you were open to be on the
call together and so.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Really appreciate that All the best for what.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
We're hoping is an absolutely phenomenal, face, physical and tight
Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
We can't wait to watch all the best. Thanks for
joining us, Thanks ladies, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Talking all things Netball, Inside Netball, the Inside Netball Podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
How good are we lucky with nippullers that they just
kind of you throw them under the bus, say right,
can you check both be on screen.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
At the same time, and they come away and have
a great chat. But look, I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Good to hear that the players listened to our or
they must have seen some of our social media.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And we help fire up the mystics gen bye, Well
you did, Actually.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That's what I didn't.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Wow, that's right, but I thought it was interesting too.
A gentle nudge there from Karen Berger just about the
just a general reminder that they, the players, are people,
and I think, you know, we sort of tend to
fire out these opinions all over the place without really
stopping to think that they are people. I don't think
it hurts to be reminded of that every now and then.
(28:27):
Oh I think we know that people because there no
when I say we, I mean we social media, all
that sort of stuff. I mean I wouldn't take well,
I'd take it all with a grand assault myself.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And I think that's what we're hearing. To a lesser extent,
we'll talk about except from Emilia ran as well. You know,
she came out and said that, yes, it's only ten rounds,
but there's a lot more that goes into netball than
just turning up for those ten rounds. It's a big
precess and so yeah, interesting, what did you take away.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
From those shots?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It was interesting hearing Mikayla talk about, you know, the
best piece of advice and she said that sometimes working
hards just not enough and I think, you know, you
alluded it to it with the amount of injuries and
adversity that she's had to deal with, and she's probably
worked a hell of a lot harder than a lot
of other people. And sometimes when you get to the top,
it's just all a little bit of luck goes a
(29:20):
long way, and unfortunately, poor old Mickey's had a bit
of un luck, you know, unlucky circumstances in her career.
But still, if people are listening, what was my quote.
I just said before, what is it that hard work
beats talent when talent doesn't work hard? So you're going
to be more successful if you work harder than just
rely on your old talent. Let's look at the Grand
(29:42):
Final and I thought it was a really interesting point.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I think it was Mickey that made it. The strength
of the bench for both the Tactics and the Mystics.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Annie, I think there was very a wise call from
her because both benches have been very strong.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Who goes into this favorites?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Is it the Mystics? I mean, this has the best speech.
The mystic says the best bench. Would you not say
than the tactics. I feel the Mystics have used their
bench more than the Tactics. I would feel like, I
guess they've played Fiddler a little bit, very sparing the Tactics.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
I think Fiddler's best role is on the bench and
staying there. Oh my god, she is a picture of enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
On the seat of Oh God, couldn't she was here?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
She was there, She was sort of doing some kind
of boogie.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
No. I love her, but yeah, I think mystics mystics
go in his favorites Mystics going his favorites by far.
I think the key for the Mystics to win is
that they've got Peter. They've got the Peter Wallom connection.
You just cannot break that down. You know, Wallam's averaging
fifteen goals. You look at Bird last week, she was
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averaging ten to eleven, and that you just can't break that.
Peter's got something that you can't coach. Now if you
look at the tactics, the tactics can have it. If
TP looks in in that third quarter in that elimination final,
I was watching and I was yelling at the TV
to look into Bird.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
She was holding beautifully up high. TP would look in.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Holly Mather and Peterson would look in for one and
a half seconds and then they'd turn back and I'd
be like, oh my god, give it to Bird.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
She's on.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So they could give it more and be better the tactics.
That'll be the key.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They've got to bring Bird into the game earlier, because
her confidence grew as that second half went on. But
that connection wasn't there for sixty minutes, whereas you know
with the Mystics, it's there.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Every single time with Peter.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So the key for me is that that connection and
the mid court for the tactics, I just don't know
if they're going to quite.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Be as good as the mystics.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Well, what I wonder about is, and you alluded to
it earlier a Dean in the game where they played,
you know, round ten, and you know, let's face it,
the tactics were done. But I think it was largely
to do and we spoke about this because they didn't
quite know how to handle Walom. But you know, in
that game the other night, they in the second half
(32:03):
Watson and Berger double team back on Warmsley. That and
I wonder if they carry that tactic over to the
final because it worked.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
It did.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And look, what's awesome is that they've all got these
fabulous shooters that shoot really high percentages, so there's not
going to be a huge amount of rebounds. I think
Cardin talked about the turnovers, not making turnovers.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Who's going to be really.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Tidy with the ball, not taking those fifty to fifty passes.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
But we also know nerves are always.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
A little bit higher in the final, and often there
is a few more turnovers. But four of eight am
Z Grand finals have been won.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
By the home team, so fifty to fifty chants. But look,
it's going to be interesting. I hope it's closed.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
We've looked at the average winning margin in a Grand
Final is nine point one, so historically we've had some
blowouts and historically there's been some close ones.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Last year, wasn't it It was just one, just one,
So here is hoping it's one again.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I thought there might have been an even bigger crowd
at Wolfbrook the other night for that elimination final. You know,
when they panned up into the crowd, I thought, oh,
you know, it's a big stadium. It is a big stadium.
I know, but I think Trusts will be sold is
sold out, and you know, it's so good to see
(33:19):
that that because you know a few years ago it
would always sell out for the Mystics, but you know,
it hasn't quite been that buoyant. But I think that
this will be their what third or fourth sellout game
I think, you know, latter stages of the season, so terrific.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, Mystics.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
If they win, they will be their fourth title ever Tactics,
it will be their first and we're including in that
way back when when it was back at the Coca
Cola Cup, National Bank Cup days as well, So it
would be huge before their Donna wilkins first year coaching,
you know, fantastic for her that she's come in and
taken this team to the Grand Final. And I think
(33:57):
just sets up perfectly. North versus South Auckland versus Canterbury.
There's always a big grudge match when it comes to
those two provinces.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh, look, it's going to be awesome. Make sure you
tune in.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's on Sunday afternoon four pm on Sky Sport. It
will be live, it'll be exciting, and yes, are we
going to make a prediction. I think if I had two,
I'd go Misstics, even though I'd quite like the Tactics
to win because it would be nice for Netble that
a new team, you know, takes takes the Grand Final.
But I think Mystics will be too strong.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah I do too, if I'm honest, I just can't
see well, no, I just who know. Look, I have
no idea, as you can see from my predictions all season.
At least I had them in the top three.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, yes, you were winning over Anny and I about that. Look,
I'm probably my head, says misstics. My heart says tactics.
You know you love an underdog coming away with win Right.
A lot of news this week, A lot of news
in the last couple of days. The first one was
the announcement or the media release from NEP New Zealan
about the eligibility contentiousnes issue around if you plan sun
(35:04):
corp or in England or whether whether you're available for
the Silver Ferns gen. You and I have had a
few debates of this off ear to me, really, I
don't think they told us, and I think we didn't
already know. We already know that you could apply for
an exemption for the silver fans of your playing.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
We saw that with Laura Lang, when we saw it
with Maria Ttaya.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It sounds as though they have tidied up the criteria.
I would have loved to have seen that criteria. They
talked about transparency. We haven't seen it, well, not yet.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
We don't need I mean, I don't know really what
you want it from Netbourne News.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'm a lawyer, I want the detail, a journalist and
I want the news.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yes, but I just think it could have been done
so much more quickly. You know why, why has it
taken so long to get to this point. But just
on that note, so Grace WICKI we understand, is going
to be the test case, the test case. Yeah, because
well no, I don't think the test case, but I
suppose you will have to be the test case when
(36:07):
I think about it. But just on her note, she
is in the what do they call it the elimination
final over in some corb. The Swifts got thrashed by
the Fever in the main final or what do they
call it? Major semi final? They get a live Yeah,
so they'll have to play the victens this weekend.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I only had a close one was a thunderbed.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
It's just got past the thunderbird. So you know, she's
got a work cut out for it because she got
you know, a couple of contacts, missed a lot of goals,
a lot of goals for Grace, so you know, not
a lot of goals too. But you know, so she
is being tested, which I presume is what she went
over there for.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
So you know, that's the good thing is should be
back playing for the silver Burns now with that role.
But I'm a bit like you, a Dane. I thought
it was a network new Zealander very good at putting
out press releases that don't really say anything. And I
think every netballer that I've spoken to in the last
twenty four to forty eight hours have all said, but
what's the criteria?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
They want more of, they want to know, and I.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Just it's just frustrating that there's just a real lack
of transparency with with the neck on New Zealand. You know,
like in any marriage and any partnership, in any relationship,
it's all ablication, and I just feel that they just
never quite get it right. It's like, how hard would
it have been to go, Okay, generally it's going to
be based on test caps or you know, blah blah blah.
(37:31):
They didn't have to give us every single one, every
single you know, criteria, but they've just left it so open.
And you just hope that the players know because you
know they'll be thinking about their future next year. You know,
could they have maybe told us are they going to
allow four players or five players? There's got to be
a cap on how many they let. They can't slip
because I think that's well, I think that's what they're
(37:53):
trying to stop.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
What I mean, they can't have everyone everyone.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, I think there's going to be a cat because
there's there's only so many Australian goanna want.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Let's be honest, there's only so.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Many spaces in Australia are going to be available.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Well, that's right, and I was pointing to pointing to
the screen where they are no longer there. But Karen
and Mickey, I mean they were both saying, well, Mikayla
didn't think that she would be, you know, a need
candidate for that needed and Karen, you kind of.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Got the impression I'd be like, I'm off, yeah, but
you're you don't You're not her and which you know,
she's only she's come all the way from South Africa,
established a life.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
She might have, I don't know her private circumstances. So
that's and that's the thing with women. You don't know
all their other components to what makes up their life.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And that's a good segue to Amelia's announcement in Milani,
Canacia she's made herself unavailable for the twenty twenty five
International Netball season and you know she said, you know,
she's listening to what she needs personally and she needs
to take space to reset her mind, body and spirit.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
She's of two.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It takes a lot out of you. You know, it
is not just ten weeks of netball. It is a
huge you were told, you're literally told everything, when to eat,
when to we went to play Winter, go to the
physio Winter.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
It is.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It's mentally draining. Probably not surprised any of us.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think she's always been in tune with what she needs,
a Melian as a player in her wellbang, so I
think good on her.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I wonder if it's going to be pretty tough now
once she has a break to come back. You know,
two kids, she's thirty four.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
My biggest concern is, holy hell, who's going to be
a goal attack for the Silver Ferns? More to the point,
because you know who do you turn to? The goal
attacks have been pretty slim pickings. TP would be one
of the top ones. She's unavailable, you know, was this
the time? Now we heard Noel's speaking on a podcast
this week and she said in twenty twenty five there's only.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
One world class player, world class player in the Silver
and she needs seven. I think that's asking a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
By twenty twenty seven, we're guessing that was probably Grace
when she talks about the one, is this the chance
to bring through some of those younger goal attacks so
they are the best in the world. Come twenty twenty seven,
which is the World Cup.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Well, I've said, I mean, I think if you're going
to have a break and you need a break, this
is the year to take it, isn't it Because there's
there's nothing on. Well when I say nothing, you know,
no pinnacle event. But you know, we saw a few
young ones come up, the young mystic shooter when Wallum
went down and injured a sophea, Yeah, and she You know,
I mean, these players are there, and I just wonder
(40:46):
if we need more of an encouragement for them to
get through, although I think we are because there that
was a you know, that was certainly encouraging.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
We've got you look at that player. She's not even
in the under twenty one squad because she hasn't made
the fitness target targets. So you go, well, are they
even gonna you know, if she's not even in the
under twenty one is that?
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So would she even would they even look her for
silver ferns? So you know, who are the other Goltecks
Heaven and I've liked I think she's really had her
moments this season. I just wonder if internationally she can
step up. That's just that's your challenge. Fielder Vilie is
another one. She's just comes and goes in that mystic
So I.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Remember she's job well, she was picked one yes and
went to Britain and he's never got on no. So
you sort of think, well that's quite telling.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Really, I wonder whether they put old magic. I'm having
a mind blank, will we no?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Two Sech?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, they start looking and pushing her up because you
know athletically she's to you.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah, well she's a fan favorite.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Whether they start looking at her at Golateech, you've got
to start thinking of life after Econacio. Now she's having
a break. Who's to say she'll come back. You've got
to start looking at that that Golatech position. Will she
debut back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
That's a long time, that's over ten years and that
sort of fur in dress. And when you're done, you're done.
I remember my last year I was like, get me out.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I could not do one more training, one more team
more like I'm done, Yeah you do, And she finishes
on seventy nine testcaps if she has finished that. Actually
I was the same seventy nine destcaps. There you go
the other piece of news. I'm not sure how much
this will effect netball, but we're going to throw it
out there anyway. Sky Sky has announced that they have
(42:29):
brought three and three.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
The reason I raise that is because of the free
to air component. Does that make netboard a little bit
more appealing to Sky because we know neby deal In
the same release about the eligibility again, I feel like
they'd already confirmed this that there is going to be
a competition next year. It's going to be ten round,
it's going to be at the same time a year,
but they still haven't said who's paying for it, basically
(42:54):
the broadcast deal. You know, we have heard through the
traps that perhaps Sky aren't as interested as they have
been in the past. Does this make it more appealing
knowing they've got that free to air option, because that's
what gets huge.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Viewer ship numbers, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
If you can get netball in front of it, behind
out from behind the payball.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
You've still got to make it, though, don't you. You've
still got to produce it.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Hugely expensive.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, you know, we've talked about it a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
You know when you compare the eras, and I hate
going back to, you know, in our day, but you know,
fifteen twenty years ago, you know, people did know the
silver fans, they did watch games. A lot of people
now don't have Sky, they don't they don't watch a
lot of netball if it was on free to air.
At least, you know, it's getting our product out there
a bit more.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
But there's so many other sports too. That's the other
thing that's changed.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Competing competing for eyeballs.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, it must be bloody hard, it must be, and it's.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Been funny and you're right, and because you know, even
doing this game on show, so many people like that
was the era when I watched the netb And then
what did help in the era, let's be honest, is
we were winning and people love watching winning, so that helps.
So who knows. That's another one to watch. So much news,
so many exciting things happening this week. We cannot wait
(44:09):
for that Grand Final. It's hard to believe it has
gone fast. This season has gone fast. Yeah, given it's
one less round, Well you're going to be sipping on
cocktails this week.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Today I shall be watching from Fiji your site. I'm
going to be somewhere at Trust Arena. Yes, so are we?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
There?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Are we there calling the game?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Gen? Will you have a wine and hand on?
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
I suspect or four o'clock but early for me?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Really on a Sunday, surely something fuzzy about style.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
I have a few people round and we might just
have a bit of a do.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Excellent, we love a do.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Hopefully lots of people organizing their Grand Final parties. Well,
thank you for joining us again this week. Remember you
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Judder and Welcome to Inside Nipple. Today we're joined by
one of, in fact two of nipples faces competitors, competitors
and all round game changes. Two silver ferns, two defensive powerhouses,
Cuttenberger and the kayleab Soklitch beats In both.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Known for their relentless work.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
If it's smart speed and signature hustle, and they're building
towards a huge Grand Final which is just around the corner.
What's it going to take to win that one? We
hear from these two very shortly. First, the tactics they
got there. It was close gen in the elimination final.
At halftime, it was the pulse that were up and
(01:08):
all of a sudden momentum swing and here came the tactics.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Well, I loved it. What I couldn't get over though,
was that you know, it was somebody said, you know,
the old cliche game of two halves but man, the
way Tiana Maturo was putting in the long ball to
Warmsley in the first half, her passing was so quick,
and I have to say, you know, I was thinking, Okay,
she doesn't shoot many goals, but boy, her delivery is outstanding.
(01:35):
But then it kind of changed, and I wonder if
tactics kind of worked her out. And that two point
shot of tp selby Rickett just you know, on halftime,
I think that really galvanized the Tactics and they were away.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And also I think a big shift was defensively, the
Tactics started to stand out Burger shifting back into Gold offense.
I don't know, she just needed that sort of first
first half to warm up.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And then by gosh, they really suffocated the.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Pulse because you know, up until in that first half,
what Warmsley was averaging fourteen fifteen goals. In the second half,
you know, she was only averaging third quarter eight, fourth
quarter four. And so to me that suggests the Tactics
offense just smothered. And you know, you talk about Matudo
feeding Warmsley Gordon as well, Boy, she just got.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The ball turned into Wormsley.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So and to think that, you know, there were ten
goals ahead in that last quarter.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Was it the Tactics posted well to bring it back
to five. They did it with those two point shots.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Look, last week we were quite critical of the Tactics
defense for not double marking Wollom. You know, the ball
was just whipping into Wollom. That was the difference I
saw in the second half. The Tactics were quite deliberately
double marked Wormsley at times and let Matuito or Mary Sala,
Will you guys hang out there?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You can't shoot from outside the circle.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I thought that was clever and I wonder if
they'll take that into this week. I also I listened
to Cuttenberger after the match and she basically said, we.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Throw everything out at our time and went to go
for it. And that's what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They That is when Cuttin and Jane are so good, right,
They're just everywhere the arms, legs, and they came away
with ball and it was almost like all of a sudden,
the Pulse just didn't know where to put the ball
in gen and I wasn't surprised. I know you you
speak highly of Matudo in that first half, but things
changed for in the second half, and I actually thought
(03:31):
perhaps they could have brought Molly Sella on earlier.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Oh do you think, yes, I do think you think
you made a lot of turnovers, Yes, But what I
was going to say is I think that the Pulse.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Have dealt all.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Season with injuries and illness at various times. And then
it was the number of substitutions they had to make.
They made eighteen in that game. The Tactics made one,
so they knew exactly what they were doing. There was
a flow and like we both talked about, you know,
just that second half was just a blur of red
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and I mean they thoroughly deserved it, they really did.
And yeah, as for Mature, see I found that quite reassuring.
I did think that Maturo should have been taken off earlier.
But then you did only have Melli Sella to put on,
didn't you, Which I'm not a Well, she's an impact playerson.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
She Melli seller comes on for the for the for
the two point shots which she shot, I think, what
did she get three or three?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Three or four?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
In?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So she did her job.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But I think, as you heard from Anna Andrews to Soola,
she you know, on reflection of the season, like It's
been quite an up and down season for the Pulse.
They've had sickness, they've had injuries, and she you know,
explained that at the end. So I think the best
team made made got the win, and I'm happy that
it's a North versus South final. You know, we talk
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about the tactics to defense. Ali Bird, I'm sorry, was
outstanding in that second half. And if TP and Bird
can nail and we'll get into the more of the
final chat in a minute, if they if they are
on song against the Mystics, it will be close, come
down to the mid court. But I thought, yeah, attacking wise,
she was very impressive. Forty seven from fifty five, eighty
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five percent.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
She was.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And the other telling factor I thought at the end
of the game was you saw a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Emotion from the Pulse.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
There were a lot of tears and that kind of
to on a solo's point, A lot's gone down this
season and you can see that, you know, from the
injury illness, it has been tough, and it was almost
like that exhausted, you know that were gusted obviously not
to make the final, but you know you just almost
saw it coming out.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
That's what it felt like watching.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I don't know if that's right, but that as a viewer,
that's what it showed.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Well, it's been a shorter, sharper season, hasn't it. It's
only been what ten rounds? Boom boom boom. You're aware
that you can't afford to drop any many any or
many games.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
A lot of pressure, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So yes, I agree Tactics they went unbeaten, So yeah,
I made it at home for the season and I
love that when you're getting such a big crowd that's
supporting their team, and they did. They were loud, so
very very North South. Absolutely, Annie, it's going to be fabulous.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It is. It is Grand Final week.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
So who should we talk to? Well, one from each camp. Kuttenberger,
Michaela's Sockletic beats in and they join us on Inside Netball.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
The Inside Netball Podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
How lucky are we?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Not one guest but two this week we're Kuttenberger from
the Tactics, Mikayla Socklitch bets in from the Missis. Thank
you so much for joining us. One's got a big
jacket on, so it's obvious she's from the South Slash Current.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Although I'm saying that, Mickey, I think you might have
a bit of a jacket on there too.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah I do, but I actually am. I'm roasting, roasting although.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's been freezing.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, I know we're such auckland is now look kind
of let's start with you.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
What a match that second half against the Pulse. It
was phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You yourself were outstanding. When did you know that game
was yours?
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
I think we just went into the game knowing that
it was do or die. So personally, for me, I
never felt too stressed or worried about the game. Even
though our first half wasn't as good as our second half.
I think we still executed a few quite a few
things really well, and so you just have to stay
positive about it, and you just have some of those
games where you feel really good and you just don't
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worry about the score because you feel the momentum coming.
And I think then that second half it just took off.
So personally I wasn't too worried that whole game. But
I don't know if Donnad would say the same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
The momentum certainly swung on that second half, Mackey.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You had the luxury of having a weekend off no
games as such?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
What did the Mystics do to prepare?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Actually good, we did have the weekend off, did you
we needed it? Man out, We tired bodies, just we
can week out training that accumulative load. We still trained
on Saturday, but we did it independently, so it was
like a real nice mental refresh for us.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
And well, I guess this is a question for both
of you. I mean, how significant is it that that
last time that your two teams met? And you can
feel free to both answer this was the fact that
that was a that was a big result for the Mystics.
Is that going to weigh on Karen on the tactics heads?
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Not too much, to be honest, at the end of
the day, regardless of what happened throughout the season as so,
how you show up on the last game. So yes,
there are some things to take from it and learn
from it, but we're not too worried about what happened then,
because if we do all this work and we focus
so much but we don't show up on the day,
then none of that really matters and vice versa. So
(08:55):
just writing off everything because that's not really a game
we want to go back to. So just focusing on
putting out a good performance from our last one.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And McKey, in contrast, did that give your side confidence
coming away with that such a big result? I actually
couldn't agree more with Puddin. No, it's like that's been,
that's gone. Finals is such a different ballgame. Like tactics
bet us by like more than ten midway through the season,
(09:26):
we bet them like it just comes down to the day. Mickey,
You've lost a couple of big names this year, and
we'll be honest here on inside Peopoll, we didn't have
a couple of us, didn't have you in our top.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Three for that reason.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How proud of you are in your team as a
whole that you're forged on and really not mister beat Yeah,
if I'm honest, you guys really put a rocket up.
We saw that like not gonna lie. We were like,
why would you do that? Why would anybody doubt our
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team when the like there's still a really big core
that is still there. We were like, I wouldn't do
the other old mistakes. A lot of experience that left
though a lot of experience that left, So you must
be so proud of the ones that have, you know,
the less experienced ones that have really stood up, but
then heaps of experience that came yeah, like yeah, wholly
(10:24):
over one hundred caps and now like an Ossie International
that's just a strong personality and anchor just and yeah,
honestly so proud the way that even someone like Katie
who's in her third year, stepped up, Catherine Hall, even
pett has taken on a massive leadership role. So regardless
of the outcome on the weekend that there's some girls
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that honestly can just be so happy with how they've
played all year. You both actually are both well gold
Defense Wing defenses.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Carden.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We saw Donna put a bit of a spinner in
the work she started with you at wing defense. Mickey,
we've seen you for the most of the last couple
of years playing wing defense. You're now playing so well
at gold defense, Carden. First, for you, how did you
think that slide worked switching across to wing defense in
Paris and at GD Yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
Guess playing a different position for me personally allowed a
little bit of a different perspective because I don't know,
Mickey might be saying, because Goldie wing there is two
very different things, and so being able to play out
the front and being able to see what's happening and
then being going back into the back and knowing where
the hunts are I think was very beneficial for me.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
And I guess just changing things up.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
You know, everybody brings something different in every position, and
clearly that worked for us. So whether we do it
again or not, who knows. We'll leave that up to
the coach to decide.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
But I think.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Mixing it up sometimes, like Micky mentioned earlier, you know,
we'd have tired bodies. We've been training week in week out,
and if you keep doing the same thing, you need
to keep getting the same results. So sometimes you have
to change things up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And Mickey, you loving GD because you're playing really well.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I like working with Catherine because I can just be
left in my own devices out there like col I
just do my thing and she's kind of on her own.
It seems to work for us, probably because kat is
also quite good at just doing her own role, So
I like that aspect of it.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
It could be Mickey that tapius Selby Rickett that's probably
one of the well, one of the biggest threats along
with old Karen Berger there of the tactics. Do you
think it will that be your job on Sunday taking
care of her?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Honestly, I don't know. I'm a bit like cut it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I'm just waiting for the coaches to let me know
where they think they might want me. But yeah, TEPS
has been awesome. All yeah, I think I don't know
what it is. It's almost like she's just playing with
freedom and when she's on, that whole attacking end is on.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
So yeah, someone's going to have to try and stop that.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Now there's a question here, and I think Eddie's added
this to our list of questions.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
About a jar of pickled juice.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And I think this is directed at and I know
my boys get terrible cramps, so I'm guessing is this
something you carry around for?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
What?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
What?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
What's with the pickle juice?
Speaker 8 (13:16):
Yeah, definitely, we've got a cramp's crew in our group.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
I didn't want to say. It's the experience to be
whether it works, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
I haven't personally been part of that group before, but
we always YEP, game day pickle juice is important. It's
just you know, short straw about who's carrying it in
and out in the little cups.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Out of the pickles or have they been eaten?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
No, it's juice, it's too yes.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
But whoever wants the pickles can take them home.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Mickey, you said earlier how much leadership Peter's showing down
that mid court. She is hugely influential in your side.
I mean, how much do you value her? Because you know,
a year and year out, we feel like we're constantly
talking about Petter and how good she is in that
one attack position. Yet in that silver fin environment she
often does get selected. I mean, here's your chance to
(14:11):
tell everyone just how good she is. Yeah, I guess
because she doesn't like doing media. You guys don't see
a massive side of her. She has the biggest heart,
and she like anytime she speaks, it's with real purpose
and the whole group kind of hang on every word
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she says. And she's someone who really motivates our group.
And it makes me sad that she hasn't been able
to kind of show the world how good she is.
And I do hope that this year is her year
where she can shine.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
If I was a selector, I would have had her
years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think she's been in our team wing attack team
of the virtually everywhere every week we're like, do we
choose anyone else?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We're like, no, it's still better, isn't it. Jim yep?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Now tell me. I think you two were both in
your respective teams four years ago when you last played
in the in the final? No you will were you injured?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I was injured?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Okay, Well in that case, Karen, I'll come to you.
What you know, What do you remember about that game?
Because I suspect it was a terrific final.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
It was.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
It was a really fun one. I know it was
at Spark Arena. I know that there was a lot
of blue in the crowd and we had spots of
real every here and there. But I remember it being
a really tight game, and I think that's what you'd
expect in a finals game, you know, Thank goodness.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
I'm not an attacker.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I don't want to be an attacker, but there's so
much emphasis on making sure that you actually just score
your own and then you know, defensively you just have
to work your butt off to try and get some ball.
You don't really want it to be too much of
a defensive game because then that means your attackers aren't
doing their jobs. So I think at the end of
the day, it's a stressful time, but it's fun and
(16:03):
I think that's what makes it so much fun for
the crowd as well. And it's such such a tight game.
Each of your seat, you know, the crowds into it.
Every player is putting their body on the line. So
hopefully we can repeat that again on this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So you've had a number of players this season step
up cut in and these players have to go to
a TP and Jane and that've made themselves unavailable for
the Silverns they have previously do. I mean TP in
particular just looks so refreshed. We talked to her a
few weeks ago and she's obviously loving having Dons there.
(16:37):
Do you think the door with this eligibility chair all
these things is do you think that slightly opens a
little more for the likes of TP?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Would she be tempted or hard to know?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
I guess it's quite hard because every player would have
their own reasons for making the decisions that they make.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I think for the.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Outside world, it's quite hard for them to understand that
we're actually humans outside of the NETF sometimes and yes
it is our job. We do get paid for it,
but it's a very physically demanding job and also very
mentally and emotionally, and so we put a lot of
our lives on hold outside of neckball to try and
commit to this, and so everybody will be at different
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playing fields in their lives around what they want for
their lives at whatever stage that is. Potentially this would
open up a new leache, you know, being able to
be in a different environment learning new things. Because Mickey
will be able to probably speak to this as well,
that we're constantly at this level looking for development and
just being better and something new, and we just don't
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want to be doing the same thing every day. We've
got high expectations of ourselves, not just as neckballers but
as humans too, and so whatever that life looks like
for you outside, I think people need to try and
have a little bit more compassion when players tend to
make these decisions, and instead of just bashing them about
the decisions that they make, you know, where we want
to try and have a balance on both sides, and
(18:02):
whether that looks about doing both or leaning towards one
or the other, I think that's up to the players
to decide.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So would the eligibility rule, would either of you look
at going offshore?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Mickey you first?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Honestly, I would be very surprised if there would be
an opening for me overseas somewhere. They're probably look at
me and think I'm not that broken lady, But I
love them as sex.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
That's where my heart is and I'm happy as staying here.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Got it. It's a tough one.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
There's a lot of things to consider, and it's really
not just as easy as yeah, you're allowed to go
do that now.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
It's like Mickey c too.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
They'll have their solid lineups, they'll have their players, they'll
have their development coming through. They've got an amazing clump.
So whether they even want any of our players, who knows.
And you know, there's a lot of Having mentioned there's
a process now and that it could be a tedious
and long process too, and where the players want to
go through.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
That, who knows. So never say never.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
But yeah, like I'm pretty I'm pretty happy with the
technics too.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well, Karen. Two for you, I mean, you've already made
one big move and I mean, how do you feel
South Africa coming here? For the tiny Jemison. I mean
that must be quite a thrill.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I'm really excited about it, to be honest. I love
seeing the young ones. I think there's so many young
ones in South Africa coming through now and it's so
exciting seeing that new talent and they're just ferocious and
they just want it so much and the desire whenever
they do.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
When I see them going on tours overseas, they just
love it so much.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
And I think sometimes us who travel a lot can
forget how grateful we need to be about being able
to do that.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
And you just when you see.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
Those players, just to me personally, I just that ignites
that that love for the game and the excitement again.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
So really looking forward to that game or that series.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Actually, we're going to get to some quick fire questions
that we love to throw at our fast five at
our guests. But before we get to that, and I
know it's hard because you're both on the line and
both listening to each other, but what is what can
you tell us that's going to be key for each
of your sides to take the win and come away
with the trophy. This weekend, you're waiting who's going to
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go first, Mickey, what do you reckon? I think the
best thing about both mystics and tactics, and I said
this to the tactics after our last game against him,
is we've both got not only seven that will start
the game, but we've got a bench and a bench
that can play. And I think that is the secret Well,
(20:41):
it's it's a secret weapon, I think for both teams
because coaches aren't afraid to make changes, but they've got
the people there to actually make the changes. And I
think that that might be like what makes this game
so incredibly tight.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Cadam about you, I think that I mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
The key is just to not throw away ball, and
it's easy to see. You know, it's gonna be a
lot of pressure, but keys don't throw away ball, and
for us defensively, try and get all early. So you know,
whatever that looks like, we'll leave that to the coaches
to figure out strategies.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
But it's going to be a grind. It's going to
be a tough one.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We hope it's going to be closed. We love it
close around.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's so good for the crowds, and we know it's
going to have a lot of passion and fire so fast.
Five questions we might go, We'll ask it each time.
It might go cut them first and then, Mickey, if
that's okay?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Inside left balls fast five.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
The very first one coming. You look nervous already, like.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
My mind changes all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's good, that's good.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
If you could compete in any other sport, what would
it be?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Enis?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I want to be a tennis player.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I love it, Mickey.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Something low impact, something.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That could be harder. My knees are okay, so I
reckon lawn bowls if you could. If you could take
any three athletes to dinner past or present, who would
it be? Oh gosh, so New Zealand or abroad? Any
athlete no restriction.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Oh gosh, Serena Williams, Michael Jordans.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I think we've had him. If we Michael Jordan had
a lot of lebron.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Well, oh gosh, you saying Bolt, I don't know, we've
had we've had all of those.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think we've had children.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
That's it's really hard. There's so there's too many.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Oh that's yep, that's three, Mickey.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I actually have no idea, but definitely some female athletes
who who have really dug Deep and Knee did to
like kind of lead their own campaigns.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I don't know who they are, though, but yeah, some
sort of female.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
What about Kathy Freeman.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, we'll tuck her in gymnast the gymnasts, American gymnasts.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Actually, yeah, like someone likes moment.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, she'd be good because she Yeah, she's had to
make some tough calls about her career as well.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
People like that I think would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Karen's got another one. Look she wants for I do I.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Do because of fun? I want Alona ma.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh yeah, yes, if I just don't do an armory.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Store, there the fun, that'll be great chair great choice.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yes, now no, next question, who in your team is
most likely to get you into trouble and then to
get you out of trouble? So Karen you first?
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Potentially Charlie Fiddler.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yes, I'm not surprised into trouble or how to travel
and do And.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I love what you heard on the sideline. Oh yes,
oh my goodness. Best cheerleader.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Yeah, great vibes. She definitely keeps up the cheerleing and
crew out of trouble. Oh gosh.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
I think it'll be either either Jane or Ali.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
We've had Jane before.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think someone's actually said that that you would get
them out of trouble too, Just so, just so you know,
was that.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Mackey who would get you into trouble?
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Holly Fowler? Holly Ray would get me into trouble?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That was a quick response.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, I just I just past experience, and I feel
like cat Hole would get me out of the trouble.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
She seems very, very, very sensible.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I was just hardly thinking about if you heard yourself,
she'd be able to help you too. Medical background.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Always good having a doctor in your team.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
What is your go to post game snack or meal?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Anything fried and like?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Yeah, I like fries, a burger, juicy burger, like yeah,
something like hearty like that great burger and fries.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It's been common too, Yeah, Mickey in a phizzy.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
In a phizzy, I'm a quarter pound of combo with
a fantas really healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Girls, I'm loving we can wake out.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
That's what I'm having.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That's the time to have it, Absolutely, that's.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
The perfect time to have it.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And last one best piece of advice you've ever been given.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Oh, oh my gosh, I don't I don't think I
have one best one, because every advice I've gotten in
the past has helped me out of a specific situation.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
There's not one that's always been the go to so
many if you know, go for it. I'm just think
about this.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Mine's probably hard work isn't always going to be enough.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Oh that's quite philosophical.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, So often we get told hard work will get
us there, but it's not always true, unfortunately, I think
to you, coming obviously off a couple of pretty tough
injuries as well, you realize as well, you can train
as hard as.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You can and then it just happens.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Sometimes unfortunately it just does.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
I think I'm gonna go similar to my keys. But
and it's not advice that I've been given. But what
I've learned as well is you got to work hard
to make things happen. But then if it doesn't happen,
it wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
So that's a nicer way to put it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I like that sort of a roundabout. Hard work beats
talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Oh now you're throwing you are goodness me a question.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Oh look, we really appreciate your time, We really enjoyed
the fact that you were open to be on the
call together and so.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Really appreciate that All the best for what.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
We're hoping is an absolutely phenomenal, face, physical and tight
Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
We can't wait to watch all the best. Thanks for
joining us, Thanks ladies, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Talking all things Netball, Inside Netball, the Inside Netball Podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
How good are we lucky with nippullers that they just
kind of you throw them under the bus, say right,
can you check both be on screen.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
At the same time, and they come away and have
a great chat. But look, I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Good to hear that the players listened to our or
they must have seen some of our social media.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And we help fire up the mystics gen bye, Well
you did, Actually.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That's what I didn't.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Wow, that's right, but I thought it was interesting too.
A gentle nudge there from Karen Berger just about the
just a general reminder that they, the players, are people,
and I think, you know, we sort of tend to
fire out these opinions all over the place without really
stopping to think that they are people. I don't think
it hurts to be reminded of that every now and then.
(28:27):
Oh I think we know that people because there no
when I say we, I mean we social media, all
that sort of stuff. I mean I wouldn't take well,
I'd take it all with a grand assault myself.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And I think that's what we're hearing. To a lesser extent,
we'll talk about except from Emilia ran as well. You know,
she came out and said that, yes, it's only ten rounds,
but there's a lot more that goes into netball than
just turning up for those ten rounds. It's a big
precess and so yeah, interesting, what did you take away.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
From those shots?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It was interesting hearing Mikayla talk about, you know, the
best piece of advice and she said that sometimes working
hards just not enough and I think, you know, you
alluded it to it with the amount of injuries and
adversity that she's had to deal with, and she's probably
worked a hell of a lot harder than a lot
of other people. And sometimes when you get to the top,
it's just all a little bit of luck goes a
(29:20):
long way, and unfortunately, poor old Mickey's had a bit
of un luck, you know, unlucky circumstances in her career.
But still, if people are listening, what was my quote.
I just said before, what is it that hard work
beats talent when talent doesn't work hard? So you're going
to be more successful if you work harder than just
rely on your old talent. Let's look at the Grand
(29:42):
Final and I thought it was a really interesting point.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I think it was Mickey that made it. The strength
of the bench for both the Tactics and the Mystics.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Annie, I think there was very a wise call from
her because both benches have been very strong.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Who goes into this favorites?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Is it the Mystics? I mean, this has the best speech.
The mystic says the best bench. Would you not say
than the tactics. I feel the Mystics have used their
bench more than the Tactics. I would feel like, I
guess they've played Fiddler a little bit, very sparing the Tactics.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
I think Fiddler's best role is on the bench and
staying there. Oh my god, she is a picture of enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
On the seat of Oh God, couldn't she was here?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
She was there, She was sort of doing some kind
of boogie.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
No. I love her, but yeah, I think mystics mystics
go in his favorites Mystics going his favorites by far.
I think the key for the Mystics to win is
that they've got Peter. They've got the Peter Wallom connection.
You just cannot break that down. You know, Wallam's averaging
fifteen goals. You look at Bird last week, she was
(30:50):
averaging ten to eleven, and that you just can't break that.
Peter's got something that you can't coach. Now if you
look at the tactics, the tactics can have it. If
TP looks in in that third quarter in that elimination final,
I was watching and I was yelling at the TV
to look into Bird.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
She was holding beautifully up high. TP would look in.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Holly Mather and Peterson would look in for one and
a half seconds and then they'd turn back and I'd
be like, oh my god, give it to Bird.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
She's on.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So they could give it more and be better the tactics.
That'll be the key.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They've got to bring Bird into the game earlier, because
her confidence grew as that second half went on. But
that connection wasn't there for sixty minutes, whereas you know
with the Mystics, it's there.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Every single time with Peter.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So the key for me is that that connection and
the mid court for the tactics, I just don't know
if they're going to quite.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Be as good as the mystics.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Well, what I wonder about is, and you alluded to
it earlier a Dean in the game where they played,
you know, round ten, and you know, let's face it,
the tactics were done. But I think it was largely
to do and we spoke about this because they didn't
quite know how to handle Walom. But you know, in
that game the other night, they in the second half
(32:03):
Watson and Berger double team back on Warmsley. That and
I wonder if they carry that tactic over to the
final because it worked.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
It did.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And look, what's awesome is that they've all got these
fabulous shooters that shoot really high percentages, so there's not
going to be a huge amount of rebounds. I think
Cardin talked about the turnovers, not making turnovers.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Who's going to be really.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Tidy with the ball, not taking those fifty to fifty passes.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
But we also know nerves are always.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
A little bit higher in the final, and often there
is a few more turnovers. But four of eight am
Z Grand finals have been won.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
By the home team, so fifty to fifty chants. But look,
it's going to be interesting. I hope it's closed.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
We've looked at the average winning margin in a Grand
Final is nine point one, so historically we've had some
blowouts and historically there's been some close ones.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Last year, wasn't it It was just one, just one,
So here is hoping it's one again.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I thought there might have been an even bigger crowd
at Wolfbrook the other night for that elimination final. You know,
when they panned up into the crowd, I thought, oh,
you know, it's a big stadium. It is a big stadium.
I know, but I think Trusts will be sold is
sold out, and you know, it's so good to see
(33:19):
that that because you know a few years ago it
would always sell out for the Mystics, but you know,
it hasn't quite been that buoyant. But I think that
this will be their what third or fourth sellout game
I think, you know, latter stages of the season, so terrific.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, Mystics.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
If they win, they will be their fourth title ever Tactics,
it will be their first and we're including in that
way back when when it was back at the Coca
Cola Cup, National Bank Cup days as well, So it
would be huge before their Donna wilkins first year coaching,
you know, fantastic for her that she's come in and
taken this team to the Grand Final. And I think
(33:57):
just sets up perfectly. North versus South Auckland versus Canterbury.
There's always a big grudge match when it comes to
those two provinces.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh, look, it's going to be awesome. Make sure you
tune in.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's on Sunday afternoon four pm on Sky Sport. It
will be live, it'll be exciting, and yes, are we
going to make a prediction. I think if I had two,
I'd go Misstics, even though I'd quite like the Tactics
to win because it would be nice for Netble that
a new team, you know, takes takes the Grand Final.
But I think Mystics will be too strong.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah I do too, if I'm honest, I just can't
see well, no, I just who know. Look, I have
no idea, as you can see from my predictions all season.
At least I had them in the top three.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, yes, you were winning over Anny and I about that. Look,
I'm probably my head, says misstics. My heart says tactics.
You know you love an underdog coming away with win Right.
A lot of news this week, A lot of news
in the last couple of days. The first one was
the announcement or the media release from NEP New Zealan
about the eligibility contentiousnes issue around if you plan sun
(35:04):
corp or in England or whether whether you're available for
the Silver Ferns gen. You and I have had a
few debates of this off ear to me, really, I
don't think they told us, and I think we didn't
already know. We already know that you could apply for
an exemption for the silver fans of your playing.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
We saw that with Laura Lang, when we saw it
with Maria Ttaya.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It sounds as though they have tidied up the criteria.
I would have loved to have seen that criteria. They
talked about transparency. We haven't seen it, well, not yet.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
We don't need I mean, I don't know really what
you want it from Netbourne News.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'm a lawyer, I want the detail, a journalist and
I want the news.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yes, but I just think it could have been done
so much more quickly. You know why, why has it
taken so long to get to this point. But just
on that note, so Grace WICKI we understand, is going
to be the test case, the test case. Yeah, because
well no, I don't think the test case, but I
suppose you will have to be the test case when
(36:07):
I think about it. But just on her note, she
is in the what do they call it the elimination
final over in some corb. The Swifts got thrashed by
the Fever in the main final or what do they
call it? Major semi final? They get a live Yeah,
so they'll have to play the victens this weekend.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I only had a close one was a thunderbed.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
It's just got past the thunderbird. So you know, she's
got a work cut out for it because she got
you know, a couple of contacts, missed a lot of goals,
a lot of goals for Grace, so you know, not
a lot of goals too. But you know, so she
is being tested, which I presume is what she went
over there for.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
So you know, that's the good thing is should be
back playing for the silver Burns now with that role.
But I'm a bit like you, a Dane. I thought
it was a network new Zealander very good at putting
out press releases that don't really say anything. And I
think every netballer that I've spoken to in the last
twenty four to forty eight hours have all said, but
what's the criteria?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
They want more of, they want to know, and I.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Just it's just frustrating that there's just a real lack
of transparency with with the neck on New Zealand. You know,
like in any marriage and any partnership, in any relationship,
it's all ablication, and I just feel that they just
never quite get it right. It's like, how hard would
it have been to go, Okay, generally it's going to
be based on test caps or you know, blah blah blah.
(37:31):
They didn't have to give us every single one, every
single you know, criteria, but they've just left it so open.
And you just hope that the players know because you
know they'll be thinking about their future next year. You know,
could they have maybe told us are they going to
allow four players or five players? There's got to be
a cap on how many they let. They can't slip
because I think that's well, I think that's what they're
(37:53):
trying to stop.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
What I mean, they can't have everyone everyone.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, I think there's going to be a cat because
there's there's only so many Australian goanna want.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Let's be honest, there's only so.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Many spaces in Australia are going to be available.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Well, that's right, and I was pointing to pointing to
the screen where they are no longer there. But Karen
and Mickey, I mean they were both saying, well, Mikayla
didn't think that she would be, you know, a need
candidate for that needed and Karen, you kind of.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Got the impression I'd be like, I'm off, yeah, but
you're you don't You're not her and which you know,
she's only she's come all the way from South Africa,
established a life.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
She might have, I don't know her private circumstances. So
that's and that's the thing with women. You don't know
all their other components to what makes up their life.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And that's a good segue to Amelia's announcement in Milani,
Canacia she's made herself unavailable for the twenty twenty five
International Netball season and you know she said, you know,
she's listening to what she needs personally and she needs
to take space to reset her mind, body and spirit.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
She's of two.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It takes a lot out of you. You know, it
is not just ten weeks of netball. It is a
huge you were told, you're literally told everything, when to eat,
when to we went to play Winter, go to the
physio Winter.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
It is.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It's mentally draining. Probably not surprised any of us.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think she's always been in tune with what she needs,
a Melian as a player in her wellbang, so I
think good on her.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I wonder if it's going to be pretty tough now
once she has a break to come back. You know,
two kids, she's thirty four.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
My biggest concern is, holy hell, who's going to be
a goal attack for the Silver Ferns? More to the point,
because you know who do you turn to? The goal
attacks have been pretty slim pickings. TP would be one
of the top ones. She's unavailable, you know, was this
the time? Now we heard Noel's speaking on a podcast
this week and she said in twenty twenty five there's only.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
One world class player, world class player in the Silver
and she needs seven. I think that's asking a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
By twenty twenty seven, we're guessing that was probably Grace
when she talks about the one, is this the chance
to bring through some of those younger goal attacks so
they are the best in the world. Come twenty twenty seven,
which is the World Cup.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Well, I've said, I mean, I think if you're going
to have a break and you need a break, this
is the year to take it, isn't it Because there's
there's nothing on. Well when I say nothing, you know,
no pinnacle event. But you know, we saw a few
young ones come up, the young mystic shooter when Wallum
went down and injured a sophea, Yeah, and she You know,
I mean, these players are there, and I just wonder
(40:46):
if we need more of an encouragement for them to
get through, although I think we are because there that
was a you know, that was certainly encouraging.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
We've got you look at that player. She's not even
in the under twenty one squad because she hasn't made
the fitness target targets. So you go, well, are they
even gonna you know, if she's not even in the
under twenty one is that?
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So would she even would they even look her for
silver ferns? So you know, who are the other Goltecks
Heaven and I've liked I think she's really had her
moments this season. I just wonder if internationally she can
step up. That's just that's your challenge. Fielder Vilie is
another one. She's just comes and goes in that mystic
So I.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Remember she's job well, she was picked one yes and
went to Britain and he's never got on no. So
you sort of think, well that's quite telling.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Really, I wonder whether they put old magic. I'm having
a mind blank, will we no?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Two Sech?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, they start looking and pushing her up because you
know athletically she's to you.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah, well she's a fan favorite.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Whether they start looking at her at Golateech, you've got
to start thinking of life after Econacio. Now she's having
a break. Who's to say she'll come back. You've got
to start looking at that that Golatech position. Will she
debut back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
That's a long time, that's over ten years and that
sort of fur in dress. And when you're done, you're done.
I remember my last year I was like, get me out.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I could not do one more training, one more team
more like I'm done, Yeah you do, And she finishes
on seventy nine testcaps if she has finished that. Actually
I was the same seventy nine destcaps. There you go
the other piece of news. I'm not sure how much
this will effect netball, but we're going to throw it
out there anyway. Sky Sky has announced that they have
(42:29):
brought three and three.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
The reason I raise that is because of the free
to air component. Does that make netboard a little bit
more appealing to Sky because we know neby deal In
the same release about the eligibility again, I feel like
they'd already confirmed this that there is going to be
a competition next year. It's going to be ten round,
it's going to be at the same time a year,
but they still haven't said who's paying for it, basically
(42:54):
the broadcast deal. You know, we have heard through the
traps that perhaps Sky aren't as interested as they have
been in the past. Does this make it more appealing
knowing they've got that free to air option, because that's
what gets huge.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Viewer ship numbers, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
If you can get netball in front of it, behind
out from behind the payball.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
You've still got to make it, though, don't you. You've
still got to produce it.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Hugely expensive.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, you know, we've talked about it a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
You know when you compare the eras, and I hate
going back to, you know, in our day, but you know,
fifteen twenty years ago, you know, people did know the
silver fans, they did watch games. A lot of people
now don't have Sky, they don't they don't watch a
lot of netball if it was on free to air.
At least, you know, it's getting our product out there
a bit more.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
But there's so many other sports too. That's the other
thing that's changed.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Competing competing for eyeballs.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, it must be bloody hard, it must be, and it's.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Been funny and you're right, and because you know, even
doing this game on show, so many people like that
was the era when I watched the netb And then
what did help in the era, let's be honest, is
we were winning and people love watching winning, so that helps.
So who knows. That's another one to watch. So much news,
so many exciting things happening this week. We cannot wait
(44:09):
for that Grand Final. It's hard to believe it has
gone fast. This season has gone fast. Yeah, given it's
one less round, Well you're going to be sipping on
cocktails this week.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Today I shall be watching from Fiji your site. I'm
going to be somewhere at Trust Arena. Yes, so are we?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
There?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Are we there calling the game?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Gen? Will you have a wine and hand on?
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Are you going to do?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
I suspect or four o'clock but early for me?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Really on a Sunday, surely something fuzzy about style.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
I have a few people round and we might just
have a bit of a do.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Excellent, we love a do.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Hopefully lots of people organizing their Grand Final parties. Well,
thank you for joining us again this week. Remember you
can don't download Insane Netbook on iHeartRadio or wherever you
get your podcasts until next week when we review review
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