On Sports Fix with Jason Pine for 22nd September 2025, a career best finish for Liam Lawson. The Kiwi racing Bulls driver finished 5th at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix, a best finish in F1 for a New Zealander since 1976. Motorsport expert and founder of the Toyota Racing Series, Barrie Thomlinson, joined the podcast to discuss the significance of that result.
Piney remains confident in the All Blacks' ability to defend Eden Park, despite their devastating loss against South Africa last week.
Plus, Adam Cooper is the guest in The Chamber discussing the Black Ferns' Rugby World Cup defeat.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hello there and welcome into a new week and to
a fresh episode of the Sports Fix podcast, brought to
you an association with GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most
trusted homebuilder. I'm Jason Pine. On Monday September twenty two,
Liam Lawson overnight achieving his best ever Formula One finish,
(00:41):
coming home fifth at the azerbai Jean Grand Prix and
Baku want our drive? It was from Liam, but just
how good? Can we put this into context? Bowry Tomlinson
with us on sports Fix today, the founder of the
Toyota Racing Series which Liam Lawson raced in and very
astute analyst of motorsport. He's going to join us for
a chat. I've got some thoughts on the All Blacks,
(01:03):
haven't we all? And Adam Cooper has a guest appearance
in the chamber today plus Dison Sports News, so let's
get into it. In other news, let's get going as
per usual with a look at some of the big
sports stories around today and to the azerbai Jean Grand
Prix on the shores of the Caspian Sea.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Maxistappen wins the Azerbaijan Grand Prix and he punches the
air with delight.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's two in a row for rad Bull.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
George Russell was second, Williams Carlos Signs third. Liam Lawson,
of course, achieved a career best fifth. More on that
in a moment. Silver Fern's co captain Karen Berger is
hoping they played to the standard that stood down coach
Dame Noline Totua would expect in their seventy seven fifty
one trouncing of South Africa in Auckland last night under
(01:49):
the interim guidance of Event McCausland jury. There's been a
lot of work over the last few months and obviously
with the Pinnacle events coming up in mind as well,
so this is just a stepping stone.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So hopefully we've made her proud tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And Arsenal has scored an injury time equalizer to snatch
a one all Premier League football drawl with Manchester City
at the Emirates.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
This is Martinario. It's a clean run.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
The gal.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The Flames dissecting the sporting agenda.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's Sports Vex with Jason Vine.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
William Lawson might not have been able to finish on
the podium at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix, but he drove
a great race to finish fifth and claim another career
best result in Formula One this morning, having qualified third
on Saturday. The past disadvantage of the racing balls car
ultimately told over the course of fifty one laps as
both Mercedes drivers were able to pass them, but this
(02:49):
was still, without question his best performance in Formula One.
Liam Lawson able to defend that fifth place from a
host of faster cars. It's the best F one result
by a Kiwi driver since Chris Aimon finished fifth at
the nineteen seventy six Spanish Grand Prix. Let's bring a
founder of the Toyota Racing Series which many of our
top drivers, including Liam Lawson raced, and a Stupe Motorsport analyst,
(03:12):
Barry Tomlinson. BARRYE. You knew the late Chris Aymon pretty well.
He They've had a smile on his face watching that,
wouldn't he.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, high poney, Yes, yeah, no, Chris would be absolutely wrapped.
The obviously one of New Zealand's most acclaimed Formula one
drivers back in the days. And yeah, he'd be very
very happy to witness that result for Lamb.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
What impressed you most about Liam's drive at Baku.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Actually over the last two or three four Grand Prix's
this tenacity really, you know, he's proved that he can
take pressure on track, which you know, he's had a
loonzo on his tail for many laps in Austria and
now the result this weekend again just some you know,
top quality drivers in cars, superior cars to you know,
(04:02):
the Racing Bulls though you'd have to say the Racing
Bulls car is proving to be a ver very hah
the piece of gear and but no, look he's just
he's he can take that pressure and actually form of
ones all about pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What is the strategy? What is his strategy when he's there,
he's holding onto fifth place, He's got Sonoda breathing down
his neck. Norris is there, Hamilton is there, Leclair is there?
What is the strategy in situations like that when he's
got a defend fifth place for quite a significant length
of time.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Yeah, look he you know obviously, yes it was quite
a few laps that he had to defend. And you know,
really he he was eyes forward more than eyes in
the rear vision, Burry, you could tell, you know, with
the lines he was using, he was still you know,
he wasn't trying to defend the corners. I mean the
odd time he had to defend when the DRS was
on him with the cars behind, but he was very
(04:56):
much eyes forward, driving good lines and you know, focusing
on his breaking. And actually, you know, the traction out
of the corners I think, you know, it was pretty telling.
Actually the racing Bulls car with Liam at the wheel,
the traction out of all those slower corners was actually outstanding.
And you probably noted that, you know, the last couple
(05:16):
of corners, particularly the last one on to the big
long straightaway, which was obviously where VRS came into action.
His traction and the driver ability out of that corner
was very very good, even with the ties that were
going off. You know, it was quite impressive.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Is that you out driving Isaac had Y at the moment?
I know, the finishing positions today would say yes. But
in general terms, Barry, do you think he's at least
the equal of, not better than Isaac hadjar.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
At the moment very subjective. Look, honestly, I think both
drivers are superb, and you know, it's got to be
recognized that. You know, they talk about Isaac being in
a rookie and yes he is, but so is Liam.
I mean, Liam's an absolute rookie too, And I think
the pair of them, they're just what they're doing is
pushing pushing each other, which is everything you need in
(06:03):
from long you need two drivers pushing each other to
the very very best. And you know you can see
that with the results. I mean, Isaac is getting great
results and now Liam has really stepped up and you
know he's doing a great job. So look, it's hard
to make comparisons, and I think it's wrong to make comparisons.
The team have all the data in the world that
they can, they can look at those those that sort
(06:24):
of information, But at the moment, you know, as an
outsider standing on the site, I think, you know, all
we can say is that there are two very very
strong young drivers that are you know, they're looking like
both of them will have careers in Formula one.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Obviously, you never like to lose grid position once you
get to the chicken flag. But was that much Liam
could have done differently to hold off the two Mercedes
or not.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, Look, you know those sort of things get you know,
you can reflect back on it. You know, could he
have gone longer on that first set of tires? And
you know, obviously Antonelli was was you know, made an
earlier pit stop. You know, Racing Bulls decided that they'd
have to cover off Antonelli, and that's why I guess
Liam came in that little bit earlier. You know, in hindsight,
(07:07):
maybe he could have gone longer on that first set
of ties, which would have given a better track position.
But you know, honestly, you know, to finish fifth as
an outstanding result. And I think, you know, if truth
be known, I mean they probably we were thinking, well,
you know, top seven, you know, would have been an
excellent result, and I think, you know, to finish fifth
(07:28):
was just outstanding. Actually, Piny it seems.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
To still be a bit of chat around Liam's future
with the Red Bull racing balls stable. Even when he
was battling with Sonoda, there was you know, periods of
commentary where they were talking about the two of them
battling it out for perhaps their Formula one futures. I mean,
is that real? And if it is, how how important
would this morning have been?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Well, look, the result this morning was very important. You know,
I've always said to the drive many drivers that I've
worked with over many years, is that you know, it's
about It's just like being in the stock market being
a ration driver. You know, if you can, if you
can get those results, you increase the stock price. And
you know, this morning Liam's stock price got a fair
bit stronger. And you know, I think this is the
(08:12):
this is the thing that Red Bull when we look
at look that they always put pressure on the young drivers,
you know, to perform, and they will never ever, I guess,
confirm the drivers early. They'll they'll just make them, put
them under pressure, because that's what it's for. The one
is all about. And you know, to say, you know,
you know Liam Sonoda, They're all they're all you know,
(08:35):
under review. And you know Liam's just got to keep
eyes forward, keep moving forward, keep getting results, and you know,
I think his stock price will continue to grow.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
No doubt about that. Thanks indeed for your analysis. Barry
really appreciated Barry Tomlinson, motorsport analyst and founder of the
Toyota Racing Series Sports a week from now, when the
Sports Fox podcast drops into your feed next Monday, will
we be talking about the Bleedisloe Cup being locked away
for another year or will the eden Park fortress have
(09:06):
been breached and will the Wallabies had the chance to
win back the trophy they've craved for so long in
Perth the following weekend. Look much as the All Blacks
were well beaten last weekend in Wellington, I simply cannot
foresee a scenario under which they lose this weekend as
they did against the spring Box at eden Park two
weekends ago. I expect them to get up for this occasion.
(09:28):
They shouldn't need an occasion to get up for, of course,
but with the eden Park record on the line again
and more importantly a response needed, I think they'll deliver.
When the All Blacks lose or get a bit of
a towel up, the response is usually brutal. The All
Blacks very rarely lose two Test matches in a row.
It's even rarer to lose two at home on the bounce.
(09:50):
You have to go back to twenty twenty two and
Ireland for the last time that happened before that, it
hadn't occurred since nineteen ninety eight, and before that nineteen
ninety four. The second of those matches was the loss
of France at Eden Park, the last time the All
Blacks tasted defeat, of course, at that ground. Personnel wise,
for the All Blacks, Cody Taylor will be back, cam
(10:12):
Royguard will be back, our best hooker and half back
by some distance. I suspect there'll be some other changes
too in the back three and perhaps elsewhere as well.
But whoever plays, this is an All Black side that
was stung in Wellington and have gathered across the weekend
with a singular focus to put it right. And while
(10:32):
Australia have certainly improved under Joe Schmidt significantly so, the
fact remains they lost their last Test match against Argentina
and they only won the previous week with a try
in the dying moments. Yes, they beat South Africa at
Alice Park in one of the all time great comebacks,
but they lost to them the following week. I just
can't see them winning this coming weekend at Eden Park.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
On the Sports Fixed podcast Let's Pop Inside the Chamber
to kick around a few sporting issues of the day.
A delight to welcome in Adam Cooper, bit of a
special guest.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Hello mate, pleasure parting, Good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Good afternoon to you to mate. Black Ferns will play
off a third and fourth at the Rugby World Cup,
well beaten by Canada over the weekend. How should we
regard this?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Well, I think you know, at the end of the day,
with the force that the Black Ferns have been in
world rugby over the many years, the caliber of players
that they still have, I think it's it's pretty disappointing
to at least not be in the final. I mean,
you know, this team has had an interesting build up
where you think, you know, the schedules and things and
fixture lists they've had may not have been as strong,
and you sort of it's so easy to look back
(11:38):
now and you think, well, what if they did have
the chance to play a few more matches against some
of the top teams, the likes of the Australias and
others a little bit more often in this whole last
set of year or two. So I just think with
the squad they've had that the promise they've had some
exciting young players. You know, Braxton, Sorens and McGee in
particular who has stood out this year. And clearly, you know,
(11:59):
some of those senior players that have moved on in
this cycle, you know that those gaps have been filled.
So I think it's pretty disappointing result. On the other
side of the scale, though, I think, you know, in
particular this Canadian team, what the world has been shown
is that, you know, a Rugby World Cup now of
women's teams is more than just the heavyweights like it
might have been in the past. You know, Canada have
(12:20):
still got an amateur program, but they have on the
back of I believe, a lot of investment into rugby
sevens since that became an Olympic sport. A byproduct of
that has been more people wanting to play rugby in general.
And you know, that's just a prime example of other
countries now who you know, traditionally would never have been
in World Cup semi finals finals even are now competitive
and can upset people like New Zealand. So I think
(12:43):
it's a wake up call in general for how competitive
we need to be and how better we need to be.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That's been happening in sevens for a while. Hasn't it
that the less traditional rugby nations have been winning sevens
games and winning sevens tournaments for a while, it hasn't
yet come across to fifteens necessarily in the men's game.
Fijis a great example. They haven't been able to progress
their fifteens program. But you're right about Canada and even
more impressive, there's no men's program to speak of really
(13:08):
in fifteens for the Canadian men, I mean there is one,
but they never get close to a World Cup final.
So I mean, you spend a bit of time in Canada,
I know you've got a lot of close friends over there.
When you were there a few years ago, did you
sense that rugby was a thing or not?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Really it was gaining momentum, and certainly on the seven
side of things. There's obviously a sevens tournament van Vancouver,
so you know, they're exposed to the sport and I
think a lot of people over there find it very
very cool and something a bit different. And I guess
they have those main sports over there, like you know,
your ice hockeys and things like that, but I think
maybe a lot of females in particularly get drawn to
rugby because it's got a bit of a niche that's
(13:43):
something a bit different, it's something cool to give it
a go. And look what they've done. I mean, they
obviously needed help with all that crowdfunding and stuff like that,
and you know, the world's there's there's no limit for them,
is there? Like they are just in such strong momentum.
The way they scored some of those tries against the
Black Ferns, especially in that first half. It was one
way traffic from the very beginning. And it's such a
(14:04):
strong lead at halftime and then again early in the
second half of twenty four point lead. You know, New
Zealand has had no chance of rallying back like they
might have once been able to against a team like Canada.
So you're very impressive and I just think it's going
to cause New Zealand as a rugby nation to really
look at the women's program. You know, are we paying
the right amount of money to keep our good players
(14:25):
in the game and not moving over to league or
not giving up the sport in general and other pathways there.
Because there's some good players in the Fara Palmer Cup,
you'd hope that you look at the pathways now and think, right,
how are we going to best keep them in New
Zealand and playing their best rugby?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And you wonder what Canada could do with some resource.
I mean, if they're crowdfunder, you can get to a well.
Can't imagine if they were actually properly resourced. I think
this may well be a bit of a turning point
in their rugby development. Let's have a quick look ahead
to the weekend. I know it's only Monday, we're getting
news through from our colleague Elliott Smith that the Cavalry
is returning Cortez will after Mark Camroy Guard, Cody Taylor
(15:01):
and Patrick Twey pilot to all look as though they'll
be available for selection this coming weekend. Look that the
half that crisis has been been quite alarming, hasn't it.
But Roy Garden particular and Cody Taylor at hooker, they
just strike me as two massive availabilities. Again for this
all black side is to try and bounce back from
from what happened not far from where we're sitting at
(15:24):
sky Stadium, you know, a couple of weekends.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Ago totally and when we can't blame what happened in
Wellington on those four players missing per se, can we
but the boost that it will give the team as
they prepare for you know, this this massive game, that's
you know, we talk a lot about you know, defining games,
and that Eden Park game was a defining game with
where things sat in the year Wellington, you know, wasn't
you know when we came into it wasn't seen as
that because of what happened to Eden Park. But now
(15:47):
here we find ourselves in the All Blacks under immense
pressure and the intrigue with with with what could go
on here and I guess what's at stake, you know,
win or loss, It could have two very different ramifications
for this team as a result of what we see
this weekend. So I think especially Cody Taylor, you know,
his experience as a centurion, now his leadership, you know
(16:08):
that obviously been one of the big questions on the
back of the All Black's most recent test lost here
in Wellington, is you know, are there the right leaders
out there on the park that are rallying the troops
at the right time, are questioning the referees at the
right time, keeping them in the game, making sure that
you know, fifty to fifty calls the fifty to fifty
decisions being made are the right ones, So I think
his inclusion and being part of these matchday squads will
(16:31):
be immense. And camroy Guard we all know what he's
capable of and how he transforms what a team's able
to achieve on a rugby field, so hopefully for his sake,
after coming through NPC relatively unscathed, he'll be ready to
wear that nine jersey this weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, I think what the last couple of weeks of
shy on this is the gap between the top half
back and the top hooker and the next best. And yeah,
the other part of Cody Taylor's game is that he
tends to throw the ball in straight and to one
of his own teammates, which has been lacking a little
bit in the last little while intriguing week ahead ahead
of a pretty big Test match at Eden Park on Saturday, Coops,
(17:04):
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in gleadure pining chairs.
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Hello there and welcome into a new week and to
a fresh episode of the Sports Fix podcast, brought to
you an association with GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most
trusted homebuilder. I'm Jason Pine. On Monday September twenty two,
Liam Lawson overnight achieving his best ever Formula One finish,
(00:41):
coming home fifth at the azerbai Jean Grand Prix and
Baku want our drive? It was from Liam, but just
how good? Can we put this into context? Bowry Tomlinson
with us on sports Fix today, the founder of the
Toyota Racing Series which Liam Lawson raced in and very
astute analyst of motorsport. He's going to join us for
a chat. I've got some thoughts on the All Blacks,
(01:03):
haven't we all? And Adam Cooper has a guest appearance
in the chamber today plus Dison Sports News, so let's
get into it. In other news, let's get going as
per usual with a look at some of the big
sports stories around today and to the azerbai Jean Grand
Prix on the shores of the Caspian Sea.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Maxistappen wins the Azerbaijan Grand Prix and he punches the
air with delight.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's two in a row for rad Bull.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
George Russell was second, Williams Carlos Signs third. Liam Lawson,
of course, achieved a career best fifth. More on that
in a moment. Silver Fern's co captain Karen Berger is
hoping they played to the standard that stood down coach
Dame Noline Totua would expect in their seventy seven fifty
one trouncing of South Africa in Auckland last night under
(01:49):
the interim guidance of Event McCausland jury. There's been a
lot of work over the last few months and obviously
with the Pinnacle events coming up in mind as well,
so this is just a stepping stone.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So hopefully we've made her proud tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And Arsenal has scored an injury time equalizer to snatch
a one all Premier League football drawl with Manchester City
at the Emirates.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
This is Martinario. It's a clean run.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
The gal.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The Flames dissecting the sporting agenda.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It's Sports Vex with Jason Vine.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
William Lawson might not have been able to finish on
the podium at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix, but he drove
a great race to finish fifth and claim another career
best result in Formula One this morning, having qualified third
on Saturday. The past disadvantage of the racing balls car
ultimately told over the course of fifty one laps as
both Mercedes drivers were able to pass them, but this
(02:49):
was still, without question his best performance in Formula One.
Liam Lawson able to defend that fifth place from a
host of faster cars. It's the best F one result
by a Kiwi driver since Chris Aimon finished fifth at
the nineteen seventy six Spanish Grand Prix. Let's bring a
founder of the Toyota Racing Series which many of our
top drivers, including Liam Lawson raced, and a Stupe Motorsport analyst,
(03:12):
Barry Tomlinson. BARRYE. You knew the late Chris Aymon pretty well.
He They've had a smile on his face watching that,
wouldn't he.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, high poney, Yes, yeah, no, Chris would be absolutely wrapped.
The obviously one of New Zealand's most acclaimed Formula one
drivers back in the days. And yeah, he'd be very
very happy to witness that result for Lamb.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
What impressed you most about Liam's drive at Baku.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Actually over the last two or three four Grand Prix's
this tenacity really, you know, he's proved that he can
take pressure on track, which you know, he's had a
loonzo on his tail for many laps in Austria and
now the result this weekend again just some you know,
top quality drivers in cars, superior cars to you know,
(04:02):
the Racing Bulls though you'd have to say the Racing
Bulls car is proving to be a ver very hah
the piece of gear and but no, look he's just
he's he can take that pressure and actually form of
ones all about pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What is the strategy? What is his strategy when he's there,
he's holding onto fifth place, He's got Sonoda breathing down
his neck. Norris is there, Hamilton is there, Leclair is there?
What is the strategy in situations like that when he's
got a defend fifth place for quite a significant length
of time.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Yeah, look he you know obviously, yes it was quite
a few laps that he had to defend. And you know,
really he he was eyes forward more than eyes in
the rear vision, Burry, you could tell, you know, with
the lines he was using, he was still you know,
he wasn't trying to defend the corners. I mean the
odd time he had to defend when the DRS was
on him with the cars behind, but he was very
(04:56):
much eyes forward, driving good lines and you know, focusing
on his breaking. And actually, you know, the traction out
of the corners I think, you know, it was pretty telling.
Actually the racing Bulls car with Liam at the wheel,
the traction out of all those slower corners was actually outstanding.
And you probably noted that, you know, the last couple
(05:16):
of corners, particularly the last one on to the big
long straightaway, which was obviously where VRS came into action.
His traction and the driver ability out of that corner
was very very good, even with the ties that were
going off. You know, it was quite impressive.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Is that you out driving Isaac had Y at the moment?
I know, the finishing positions today would say yes. But
in general terms, Barry, do you think he's at least
the equal of, not better than Isaac hadjar.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
At the moment very subjective. Look, honestly, I think both
drivers are superb, and you know, it's got to be
recognized that. You know, they talk about Isaac being in
a rookie and yes he is, but so is Liam.
I mean, Liam's an absolute rookie too, And I think
the pair of them, they're just what they're doing is
pushing pushing each other, which is everything you need in
(06:03):
from long you need two drivers pushing each other to
the very very best. And you know you can see
that with the results. I mean, Isaac is getting great
results and now Liam has really stepped up and you
know he's doing a great job. So look, it's hard
to make comparisons, and I think it's wrong to make comparisons.
The team have all the data in the world that
they can, they can look at those those that sort
(06:24):
of information, But at the moment, you know, as an
outsider standing on the site, I think, you know, all
we can say is that there are two very very
strong young drivers that are you know, they're looking like
both of them will have careers in Formula one.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Obviously, you never like to lose grid position once you
get to the chicken flag. But was that much Liam
could have done differently to hold off the two Mercedes
or not.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
No, Look, you know those sort of things get you know,
you can reflect back on it. You know, could he
have gone longer on that first set of tires? And
you know, obviously Antonelli was was you know, made an
earlier pit stop. You know, Racing Bulls decided that they'd
have to cover off Antonelli, and that's why I guess
Liam came in that little bit earlier. You know, in hindsight,
(07:07):
maybe he could have gone longer on that first set
of ties, which would have given a better track position.
But you know, honestly, you know, to finish fifth as
an outstanding result. And I think, you know, if truth
be known, I mean they probably we were thinking, well,
you know, top seven, you know, would have been an
excellent result, and I think, you know, to finish fifth
(07:28):
was just outstanding. Actually, Piny it seems.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
To still be a bit of chat around Liam's future
with the Red Bull racing balls stable. Even when he
was battling with Sonoda, there was you know, periods of
commentary where they were talking about the two of them
battling it out for perhaps their Formula one futures. I mean,
is that real? And if it is, how how important
would this morning have been?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Well, look, the result this morning was very important. You know,
I've always said to the drive many drivers that I've
worked with over many years, is that you know, it's
about It's just like being in the stock market being
a ration driver. You know, if you can, if you
can get those results, you increase the stock price. And
you know, this morning Liam's stock price got a fair
bit stronger. And you know, I think this is the
(08:12):
this is the thing that Red Bull when we look
at look that they always put pressure on the young drivers,
you know, to perform, and they will never ever, I guess,
confirm the drivers early. They'll they'll just make them, put
them under pressure, because that's what it's for. The one
is all about. And you know, to say, you know,
you know Liam Sonoda, They're all they're all you know,
(08:35):
under review. And you know Liam's just got to keep
eyes forward, keep moving forward, keep getting results, and you know,
I think his stock price will continue to grow.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
No doubt about that. Thanks indeed for your analysis. Barry
really appreciated Barry Tomlinson, motorsport analyst and founder of the
Toyota Racing Series Sports a week from now, when the
Sports Fox podcast drops into your feed next Monday, will
we be talking about the Bleedisloe Cup being locked away
for another year or will the eden Park fortress have
(09:06):
been breached and will the Wallabies had the chance to
win back the trophy they've craved for so long in
Perth the following weekend. Look much as the All Blacks
were well beaten last weekend in Wellington, I simply cannot
foresee a scenario under which they lose this weekend as
they did against the spring Box at eden Park two
weekends ago. I expect them to get up for this occasion.
(09:28):
They shouldn't need an occasion to get up for, of course,
but with the eden Park record on the line again
and more importantly a response needed, I think they'll deliver.
When the All Blacks lose or get a bit of
a towel up, the response is usually brutal. The All
Blacks very rarely lose two Test matches in a row.
It's even rarer to lose two at home on the bounce.
(09:50):
You have to go back to twenty twenty two and
Ireland for the last time that happened before that, it
hadn't occurred since nineteen ninety eight, and before that nineteen
ninety four. The second of those matches was the loss
of France at Eden Park, the last time the All
Blacks tasted defeat, of course, at that ground. Personnel wise,
for the All Blacks, Cody Taylor will be back, cam
(10:12):
Royguard will be back, our best hooker and half back
by some distance. I suspect there'll be some other changes
too in the back three and perhaps elsewhere as well.
But whoever plays, this is an All Black side that
was stung in Wellington and have gathered across the weekend
with a singular focus to put it right. And while
(10:32):
Australia have certainly improved under Joe Schmidt significantly so, the
fact remains they lost their last Test match against Argentina
and they only won the previous week with a try
in the dying moments. Yes, they beat South Africa at
Alice Park in one of the all time great comebacks,
but they lost to them the following week. I just
can't see them winning this coming weekend at Eden Park.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
On the Sports Fixed podcast Let's Pop Inside the Chamber
to kick around a few sporting issues of the day.
A delight to welcome in Adam Cooper, bit of a
special guest.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Hello mate, pleasure parting, Good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Good afternoon to you to mate. Black Ferns will play
off a third and fourth at the Rugby World Cup,
well beaten by Canada over the weekend. How should we
regard this?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Well, I think you know, at the end of the day,
with the force that the Black Ferns have been in
world rugby over the many years, the caliber of players
that they still have, I think it's it's pretty disappointing
to at least not be in the final. I mean,
you know, this team has had an interesting build up
where you think, you know, the schedules and things and
fixture lists they've had may not have been as strong,
and you sort of it's so easy to look back
(11:38):
now and you think, well, what if they did have
the chance to play a few more matches against some
of the top teams, the likes of the Australias and
others a little bit more often in this whole last
set of year or two. So I just think with
the squad they've had that the promise they've had some
exciting young players. You know, Braxton, Sorens and McGee in
particular who has stood out this year. And clearly, you know,
(11:59):
some of those senior players that have moved on in
this cycle, you know that those gaps have been filled.
So I think it's pretty disappointing result. On the other
side of the scale, though, I think, you know, in
particular this Canadian team, what the world has been shown
is that, you know, a Rugby World Cup now of
women's teams is more than just the heavyweights like it
might have been in the past. You know, Canada have
(12:20):
still got an amateur program, but they have on the
back of I believe, a lot of investment into rugby
sevens since that became an Olympic sport. A byproduct of
that has been more people wanting to play rugby in general.
And you know, that's just a prime example of other
countries now who you know, traditionally would never have been
in World Cup semi finals finals even are now competitive
and can upset people like New Zealand. So I think
(12:43):
it's a wake up call in general for how competitive
we need to be and how better we need to be.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That's been happening in sevens for a while. Hasn't it
that the less traditional rugby nations have been winning sevens
games and winning sevens tournaments for a while, it hasn't
yet come across to fifteens necessarily in the men's game.
Fijis a great example. They haven't been able to progress
their fifteens program. But you're right about Canada and even
more impressive, there's no men's program to speak of really
(13:08):
in fifteens for the Canadian men, I mean there is one,
but they never get close to a World Cup final.
So I mean, you spend a bit of time in Canada,
I know you've got a lot of close friends over there.
When you were there a few years ago, did you
sense that rugby was a thing or not?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Really it was gaining momentum, and certainly on the seven
side of things. There's obviously a sevens tournament van Vancouver,
so you know, they're exposed to the sport and I
think a lot of people over there find it very
very cool and something a bit different. And I guess
they have those main sports over there, like you know,
your ice hockeys and things like that, but I think
maybe a lot of females in particularly get drawn to
rugby because it's got a bit of a niche that's
(13:43):
something a bit different, it's something cool to give it
a go. And look what they've done. I mean, they
obviously needed help with all that crowdfunding and stuff like that,
and you know, the world's there's there's no limit for them,
is there? Like they are just in such strong momentum.
The way they scored some of those tries against the
Black Ferns, especially in that first half. It was one
way traffic from the very beginning. And it's such a
(14:04):
strong lead at halftime and then again early in the
second half of twenty four point lead. You know, New
Zealand has had no chance of rallying back like they
might have once been able to against a team like Canada.
So you're very impressive and I just think it's going
to cause New Zealand as a rugby nation to really
look at the women's program. You know, are we paying
the right amount of money to keep our good players
(14:25):
in the game and not moving over to league or
not giving up the sport in general and other pathways there.
Because there's some good players in the Fara Palmer Cup,
you'd hope that you look at the pathways now and think, right,
how are we going to best keep them in New
Zealand and playing their best rugby?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And you wonder what Canada could do with some resource.
I mean, if they're crowdfunder, you can get to a well.
Can't imagine if they were actually properly resourced. I think
this may well be a bit of a turning point
in their rugby development. Let's have a quick look ahead
to the weekend. I know it's only Monday, we're getting
news through from our colleague Elliott Smith that the Cavalry
is returning Cortez will after Mark Camroy Guard, Cody Taylor
(15:01):
and Patrick Twey pilot to all look as though they'll
be available for selection this coming weekend. Look that the
half that crisis has been been quite alarming, hasn't it.
But Roy Garden particular and Cody Taylor at hooker, they
just strike me as two massive availabilities. Again for this
all black side is to try and bounce back from
from what happened not far from where we're sitting at
(15:24):
sky Stadium, you know, a couple of weekends.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Ago totally and when we can't blame what happened in
Wellington on those four players missing per se, can we
but the boost that it will give the team as
they prepare for you know, this this massive game, that's
you know, we talk a lot about you know, defining games,
and that Eden Park game was a defining game with
where things sat in the year Wellington, you know, wasn't
you know when we came into it wasn't seen as
that because of what happened to Eden Park. But now
(15:47):
here we find ourselves in the All Blacks under immense
pressure and the intrigue with with with what could go
on here and I guess what's at stake, you know,
win or loss, It could have two very different ramifications
for this team as a result of what we see
this weekend. So I think especially Cody Taylor, you know,
his experience as a centurion, now his leadership, you know
(16:08):
that obviously been one of the big questions on the
back of the All Black's most recent test lost here
in Wellington, is you know, are there the right leaders
out there on the park that are rallying the troops
at the right time, are questioning the referees at the
right time, keeping them in the game, making sure that
you know, fifty to fifty calls the fifty to fifty
decisions being made are the right ones, So I think
his inclusion and being part of these matchday squads will
(16:31):
be immense. And camroy Guard we all know what he's
capable of and how he transforms what a team's able
to achieve on a rugby field, so hopefully for his sake,
after coming through NPC relatively unscathed, he'll be ready to
wear that nine jersey this weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, I think what the last couple of weeks of
shy on this is the gap between the top half
back and the top hooker and the next best. And yeah,
the other part of Cody Taylor's game is that he
tends to throw the ball in straight and to one
of his own teammates, which has been lacking a little
bit in the last little while intriguing week ahead ahead
of a pretty big Test match at Eden Park on Saturday, Coops,
(17:04):
great to have you in the chamber. Thanks for stopping
in gleadure pining chairs.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
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