Money Stuff: The Podcast
The audio companion to Bloomberg Opinion’s beloved Money Stuff column hosted by its author Matt Levine, “whose deadpan style mixes technical elucidation and wit” (NY Times). Once a week, Matt and his friend, Bloomberg News reporter and TV host Katie Greifeld, talk about Wall Street, finance and…other stuff. New episodes every Friday.
Episodes
Katie and Matt discuss Satoshi Nakamoto, spotting liars, Katie being a witch, Bill Ackman doing stuff, Universal Music Group, SPARCs, asymmetric derivatives trades, Matt’s dream money management career, doomsday funds, Elon Musk’s big thing, the SpaceX IPO, Grok for bankers, humiliating IPO pitches and some ETF stuff for the ETF fans.
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Katie and Matt discuss conferences, baby names, private credit redemption requests, liquidity confusion, private credit inflows, Larry Fink’s annual letter, AI taking all the jobs, universal basic index funds, podcasters and fund managers being displaced by AI, shorting the consumer economy, owning everything, the coming SpaceX IPO, lockups, index fast-tracking, a SpaceX treasury company and Elon Musk no longer being amused b...
Matt and Katie talk to Boaz Weinstein of Saba Capital Management about his tenders for OBDC II and SREIT, semi-liquid fund liquidity, reflexivity, the lure of permanent capital, private credit NAVs, public vs. private BDC discounts, preserving brand value, volatility laundering, howling at the moon, bowling and, why not, DATs.
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Katie and Matt discuss high school quiz bowl, Bill Ackman’s closed-end fund again, the rich history of CEFs trading at a discount, economically attractive places to work, preferred performance fees, private credit vibes, accepting illiquidity for high returns, marking private credit to market, NAV arbitrage, assassination markets, fine print and resistance to innovation.
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Katie and Matt discuss a legendary lost Money Stuff podcast episode, Paramount buying Warner Bros., rights offerings, LBO risks, deal discipline, breakup fees, BCRED, OBDC II, twisting arms at Blackstone, Credit Suisse toxic asset bonuses, liquidity premiums, short memories, XOVR and SpaceX liquidity.
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Matt and Katie are on vacation! There will be a new episode of Money Stuff in your feeds on March 6th.
In this episode from June 2025, Matt and Katie talk with their guest, Cliff Asness of AQR, about momentum, meme stocks, value, market timing, publishing, academics, explaining factors, how much to charge for alpha, private assets and machine learning.
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Katie and Matt discuss the SpaceX/xAI merger, the Kardashev scale, Twitter debt, index fast-tracking, people not being worried about SpaceX liquidity, closed-end fund activism, DAT discounts, the Bitcoin crash, Strategy, the week that software died, SaaS private equity, AI disruption and private credit funding stability.
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Katie and Matt discuss Morgan’s Pub, SpaceX/xAI merger talks, a $1.5 trillion valuation for Twitter, astrology, numerology, the Year of the Horse, Tether’s mountain lair, gold vault tourism, how to make a few more billion dollars, LMEs, law-firm conflicts and investment banking pep talks.
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Katie and Matt discuss the weather, Jamie Dimon’s whereabouts, Guinness latte art at the JPMorgan pub, debanking, memecoin logic, Gas Town, horses as a unit of money, memecoin IP, moonshot pay incentives, 24ish/7ish trading, blockchain blockchain blockchain, and supervising the computers on the cozy night shift.
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Katie and Matt discuss Beast Industries, immersion in cool liquids, crypto treasury pivots, credit card rate caps, PowerPoint tips and drug trial insider trading.
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Katie and Matt discuss Wyclef Jean, the backlash against proxy advisers, AI proxy voting, writing proxies for LLMs, things that annoy Jamie Dimon, private equity recruiting, banking loyalty oaths, the long path to private equity, home ownership, housing affordability, brownstones in Hoboken and stock buybacks.
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Katie and Matt answer listener questions about performative earnings calls, hedge funds as a calling, favorite quotes, proxy advisers, ETF mechanics, sports betting market structure, 10b5-1 plans and the thrill of horse dancing.
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Katie and Matt do not discuss themes for 2026 but do discuss closing certainty in merger agreements, revocable trusts, personal guarantees, doing deals over the holidays, double-pledging, amortization of past-due subprime auto loans, angling for cooperation agreements, Enron as a role model, nuclear fusion, access to significant capital and leveraged ETF training videos.
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Katie and Matt discuss the Warner Bros. bidding war, negotiating against yourself, having your dad buy companies for you, Bleenberg, breakup fees, trillion-dollar IPOs, getting in on the third floor, orbiting data centers, tech capex, rocket explosion securities fraud lawsuits, alternative consumer lending and private credit regulation.
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Matt and Katie discuss corporate holiday parties, shareholder meetings, the Strategy narrative arc, Strategy's dollar reserve, an ouroboros of newsletters, digital asset treasury companies in indexes, the brief beautiful life of Katie's bird, Bill Ackman's closed-end fund plans, CEFs vs. ETFs, Howard Hughes, buffer ETFs and the ETFization of structured notes.
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In an episode from July, Katie and Matt talk with Gappy Paleologo of Balyasny Asset Management about gardening leave, what makes a good quant researcher, factor models, the social function of hedge funds, AI and journalists as portfolio managers.
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Katie and Matt discuss Batman, Labubu binary options, sneaker manipulation, publicly traded private credit, OBDC, OBDC II, private credit marks, Frank's email list, indemnification and cellulite butter.
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Katie and Matt discuss ASMR, 50-year mortgages, Fannie and Freddie, housing as a positional good, indentured servitude, assumable and/or portable mortgages, Matt’s mortgage rate, optimal exercise of prepayment options, proxy adviser competition, shareholder proposals, good governance, index fund voting, hedge fund talent constraints, gardening leave, the Black Death and the AI Ph.D. pipeline.
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Katie and Matt discuss tariffs, skeptical questions, nondelegation, major questions, reimbursement, the Metsera deal, amylin targeting, Sam Bankman-Fried’s appeal, alleged fraud at First Brands, factoring due diligence, the blockchain and short memories in the credit market.
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Katie and Matt discuss Halloween costumes, AI capital spending, hybrid financing, K-cup JVs, investment grade private credit, the metaverse (?!?), the OpenAI reorganization, OpenAI capital needs and governance, Elon Musk’s pay package, Tesla succession and getting cut off at the JPMorgan office pub.
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