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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And thank you, and welcome to Gun Radio Utah. No apologies,
we're broadcasting. I am broadcasting live from the beautiful San
Diego Marriott Hotel at the Gun Rights Policy Conference, the
thirty ninth annual Gun Rights Policy Conference, or we call
it gRPC, where all of the movers and shakers in
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gun rights from across this nation have assembled an assemble
each year to talk about how their state is doing,
how the Feds are doing, that type of thing. And
virtually joining me from across the table is Bill Patterson,
co host and director of Utah Shooting Sports Council. Bill,
how are you doing over there?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Doing very well? Clark live, I would say in studio here,
but yeah, doing very well. It's been a busy week
with the muzzleloader deer hunt this week. We've been busy
on that. We got back home this afternoon early, got
some texts from friends. It got a big bull, elk up.
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I think it's Wallsburg area, but I'm not one hundred
percent for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
With a muzzleloader. They they got it with a muscleloader.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, really nice, beautiful bull.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
And so I can't wait to hear the story that
he's got to tell me because I'm sure it would
be full of lies, but he does have a bull
out to show at, you know, at the end of
the day, and that's what counts.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Okay, So when you hunt with a muzzleloader, do you
have to do it in moccasins as well?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, just a pony. You just have to be riding
on a pony, but with no saddle, no saddle.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, okay, because that's the way it should be. If
you're gonna if you're gonna go early before the you know,
before the regular rifle people do, then you should have
to you should have to have some full attire and disadvantages.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Hey, but I'll.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Give you one good update though. If you want to
see the fall colors, I think this weekend up in
the uh you went as it's going to be drop
dead gorgeous. The colors are just changing and it is
very very beautiful, very cool weather up there, so maybe
take a jacket for the early mornings or evenings. But man,
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it is beautiful up there with the leaves changing right now,
best time of the whole year.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I call it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, thank you, because I'm in California right now, so
not going to be up there. Nonetheless, I'll be there.
I'll be back in beautiful Utah soon. And hey, joining
us right now. We actually have the captain of the
University of Utah pistol team, Tyler Jason Tyler, Are you there?
I am, yes, Oh, fantastic, coming in loud and clear.
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That's awesome. So Tyler tell us about Well, you're the captain, right, Yes,
I am, Yeah, captain, my captain. All right, now, tell
us about the UFU pistol team, because I think that
surprises a lot of people that the University of Utah
has a actual pistol team.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, we're one of thirteen universities in the country that
has an Olympic pistol team. First thing, I wanted to say,
I really appreciate everything that the FBC and GA are
doing over there in California, So I just wanted to say,
that's really great of you being out there. But we
do Olympic pistol disciplines. So just like what you saw
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on in Paris, we do all those disciplines with air
pistol and twenty two. We train on campus. We have
a fantastic range there and we've been going since about
the nineteen seventies and and it's we have twenty shooters
on the team right now.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Twenty so you have twenty in their University of Utah students.
So they're taking something. But this is an extra Did
they get credit for this? Orsus extracurricular? It's extracurricular, so
it's it's like an intramural sport. So we're not a
part of the athletics department at the university. We're considered
like a club sport. Okay, all right, So all right,
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now you've got an event coming up. The U of
your Epistle team has an event coming up that regular
folks like you and Bill and I can join in on.
Tell us about this.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, So on the twenty fifth of October, we are
doing a exhibition shoot and charity auction and that will
be at the Armory Shooting Range in Sandy. They've partnered
with us and they're doing a whole lot of good
with us here. And our exhibition shoot is going to
be at four thirty pm on October twenty fifth, and
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then that will end at six pm. So we're going
to show the community what we do exactly with our
Olympic pistol disciplines, and we'll be doing a silent auction
the entire day from ten am until six point thirty
is when that silent auction will close, and any items
that haven't been bid on, we'll do a auction for
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those remaining items at six forty pm. I got live
in one of those yep yep, and we've got some
really great donations as well.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Some of the things to.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
CO they've been fantastic. They donated four suppressors. We also
have a gun slipped two thousand. They gave us a
whole bunch of lube to pass out to people that
come in a point, gave us an acro P two.
We have dueling tree, so action target, and then Q
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gave us a sugar reasel as well. So it's a
whole range of stuff that we're going to be auctioning
off anywhere from thirty anywhere from thirty dollars retail all
the way up to the sugar reasel is almost two
thousand dollars retail price. Oh you say, oh my, yeah, yeah,
it's a really fantastic They are.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
All right, well, this is pretty cool, and so tell
us about tell us about some of the successes of
the UFU Pistol team, and also I'd like to know
What are you going to use this money that you
get that you're going to get from the silent auction
and that type of thing. What are you going to
use that for?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
You know, those two questions work really well together. Last
year at Nationals, we actually took third place out of
the country for air pistol. And we've had All American
shooters for the last four years, so at least one
of the team members has been on the All American team,
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and that's with guns that are last manufactured. In nineteen
eighty six was the last year that our firearms were using.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right now is.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Manufactured, so they're almost forty years old. So everything that
we raise from this fundraiser will be put towards getting
new competition grade pistols for the team, and then anything
that it goes over that will be used to send
our team members to Nationals and to some of our
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away games. We have one way match in Ohio this year,
so that's what else we'll pay for. So we're looking
to modernize basically everything on the team well.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I can only bet that those pistols are not cheap. No,
they're not. They're about two thousand dollars each. Okay, all right,
so the money will be obviously well spent. And you
guys sound like you're really kicking it, I mean third place.
Tell us how people can find out more about this,
and I mean you've given the it's October twenty fifth
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over at the Armory four thirty to six, But tell us,
is there a website that we can go to to
even find more information?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, so we have. Our chief sponsor is the UPMS,
the Utah Precision Marksmanship Society, and their website is UPMS
dot org. But all the information will be on our
Instagram page, which is at u of U Pistol.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
At you of you Pistol fantastic, Tyler Jason, Captain University
of Utah Pistol Team. Thank you for being on Gun
Radio Utah. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me and we're
looking forward to this event. It's going to be a
great time.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Thank you very much. And Bill, I you know, we
we've actually got a few a few minutes earlier. I
wanted to thank you Bill for coming in because I
think you may have cut your cut your your muzzle
loading trip a little short.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Nifteen adventures or is that where you're trying to go
with there. It's a hunting adventure.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You're a muscleloading well you're yeah, you're hunting. You're tramping
through the woods in your in your leather chaps and
your moccasins.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, there you go. No, not a problem out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
In fact, I've had a great week with family and
we've had a great time out in the great outdoors.
One thing I do regret though, and I'm very disappointed,
but I'll have it fixed and corrected by next weekend
is I forgot my judge, and so I had lots
of opportunities for grouse what we call the mountain chickens,
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and I got my judge, and I'm like going, I
go now with.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Your regular hunting license or do you need a small
game license for that? Or what do you need for that?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Now?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The combination license you're hunting fishing will cover that. If
you do not have a big game license and you
want to go try some grasse and you do need
a small game license.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For you, just do that online, right exactly?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, do it?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Okay, So here's a question. Then, Okay, I've seen your judge.
Isn't it the two inch barrel?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
One? Yeah? I think it's two inch. If that, how
do you hit?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What size shot do you use in the four ten?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
For that, well, you have to have a half our shot,
which is basically what goes into a shot show on
a four to ten. But I use a nine shot,
and I'll.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Tell you this pretty small.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's very small, and the birds have a good advantage
because by the time comes out of the barrel it's
pretty much scattered all over the place and after ten.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Unuseful.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
When we come back, We've got lots more to cover,
and I'll give you some insight as to what's been
going on at gRPC when we come back on Gun
Radio Utah. So stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
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He has a funny last name, but still a great
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great man. Clark is very, very knowledgeable about guns, you know,
totally smart. I send my secret service detail to Clark
a potion for training.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They love him.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
In fact, if Clark wasn't so busy doing great, great
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Speaker 2 (11:01):
And welcome back to gun Radio. We pulled that one
out of the vaults there because Clark. I don't know
if he would want you to train the secrets. Yeah,
well actually he would want thank you a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, yeah, actually he would want to.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Let me tell you, the secret service that I trained
for Trump is not the same that he is using
that So, you know, just thrown it out there.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Bill.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I knew we had that out there, and so I thought,
I got to dig this up and see if we
can use it. But it's always fun to hear Old Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You know, it's been a while since we since we
sat down with the with the former president and and
made those those wonderful things there. So fantastic. Hey, we
are we are at well. I am at g r
PC Gun Rights Policy Conference, thirty ninth annuals put on
by the Essay at the Second Amendment Foundation and the
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep in Bare Arms.
(11:56):
It's a it's a big, big group of people that
are we have it's kind of a combination of attorneys
that they may have regular attorney jobs, like I don't know,
there was a DUI attorney and he was really great.
And you know planets, council attorneys. You know, lots of
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regular criminal and civil defense attorneys. But they also in
their spare time, if you will, they fight two A
cases as well. So a lot of attorneys, a lot
of lobbyists, a lot of groups and organizations. Women for
Gun Rights is here, the Knife Rights is here. The
like we said before, like I said, I may have said,
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the California Rifle and Pistol Association is here. I have
newfound respect for them, by the way, because here we
are in the Valley of the Beast, and they have
something like twelve to fifteen different lawsuits going on right
now that they are that they are funding, that they
are you know that they're promoting right now everything from
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waiting periods to magazine restrictions to the concealed carry permit issuance.
So in fact, in a recorded segment probably next week,
I have Chuck Michelle on and we talked about some
of the things that are going on. Because you know,
there's a lot of Californians that move to Utah, and
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you and I are both you and I are both
among them. I mean, truth be told right right right
transplant so and and a lot of us still have
family here, so we visit back into California. Well, you
can't carry. You can't get a concealed carry permit as
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a non resident. However, that is now changing and the CRPA,
the California Rifle and Pistol Association, has seen to it,
and his one court case is and now is working
with the sheriff Department to formulate a plan for non
residents like you and I and other Utahns and everybody
within the sound of the voice that don't live in
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California to get a permit online. Essentially, there are be
a shooting requirement, but you'll be able to do that
shooting requirement within seventy five miles of where you live
in Utah or wherever you live.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, I bet you could do the shooting requirements right
there in San Francisco or La too.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well that would be you mean, you're soft defense shooting, yes, exactly, Yeah,
that would be uh hands on types stuff there exactly.
So uh, we've got that. In fact, it was kind
of funny. I was, Oh, I got you a mug
by the way, Oh, thank do you want a mug?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I got you a nice little gRPC mugs a Second
Amendment foundation on it. And so don't say I never
get you anything cool.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You're the best.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So we've so I'm coming down the elevator. And even
though I mean the whole conference is here at the
the Marriott, there are other people, like regular folks that
are staying at the Marriotte too, And so I've got
my little badge and it says gRPC and it's got
some guns. It's festooned with guns on the badge. And
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you know, my little Neckhanngar badge and it has my name.
And then I'm wearing my gun Radio Utah shirt and
Utah Shooting Sports Council and so on and so forth.
And this guy standing next to me in the elevator
coming down fifteen floors is just like looking me up
and down and looking at me. Don't really, I'm like,
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And he says, Well, all the places to have a
conference like that, I guess this is a pretty good
place to have it, right. So he was talking about
the state of California. I says, I says none better.
I says, you folks need all the help you can
get and he says, oh, heck, I'm not from California.
I'm from Iowa. And I says, how you guys was it?
And I couldn't know? He says, Ohio, And I says,
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I says, if you check the menu in the restaurant upstairs,
I don't think there's any cats anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, So let me ask you this, Clark, do you
run into the same type of kind of the with
folks outside the hotel, you know, just protesting the conference
or anything.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I haven't seen any protesters really. That kind of surprises me.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, that kind of surprises me from a California perspective.
You know, I think that you'd probably run into that
like an NRA event or down at a shot show
or something.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So you know, that's in Mendel double check. But I
mean I walked outside. It's beautiful, seventy two degrees and slight,
little slight breeze, beautiful out here. But anyway, I haven't
noticed any and so I, uh, you know, because I
would obviously go out and engage in.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Exactly That's what I was just going to tell our
audience here. So when Clark sees a group out there, protesting.
He's always offering donuts or coffee or something so that
they're comfortable in their protest, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Very and I think you know what they remember when
we had protests outside the gun show the Crossroads of
the West gun Show in Sandy, I think we brought
them hot chocolate.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
No, it was very cold outside.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And when it was cold, it was it was I mean,
it wasn't in the summer. It was in the winter time,
and they were waiting outside and we brought them hot
chocolate and a lot of them sneered at it. But
but yeah, so, I mean it's yeah, I mean California
and gRPC they you know, I haven't really talked. Maybe
I'll ask Alan Gottlieb. Maybe I'll get an interview with
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him and ask him, why do you pick because last
year it was in Arizona. But they've had it in Illinois,
they've had it, and they've had it in San Francisco before,
they've had it in Texas. So I'm curious as to
why do they decide on a specific location. Is it
because of their gun laws or anything like that. So anyway, yeah,
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so we've we've heard from the folks in Arizona hey,
I'm going to tell you. You know, Arizona, A lot of
people think it it in Texas especially, are these bastions
for two A, you know, preservation and that type of
thing Arizona has. I think it was a one vote
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GOP lead in their House and and a similar one
in their Senate right now, and a and a and
a fairly anti gun d governor. So they aren't doing
so good and and there they're backsliding they uh, And
then we heard from who else was it now? I
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can't remember, Oh, oh, somebody from Kansas. Kansas was the same.
Kansas was basically the same thing as well, with very
slim majorities, very slim one and two vote majorities in there,
and what they're having to deal with it was just
kind of funny. And so you know, they're dealing with
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with waiting periods and all these other things that you
think that Bruin would have answered. And so I asked,
and I said, you know, I was in a group
and we asked, and I says, they said, well, what's
what's Utah dealing with? And I said, well, we're we're
trying to fix it so that you know, because you
your provisional concealed carry permit isn't good in K through
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twelve schools. I says, we're trying to fix that so
that they are and just make it so that the
eighteen year olds that are going to school can't carry there.
And they kind of looked at me like, that's your
biggest problem, clerk, that's your biggest problem in Utah. I said, well,
you know, yeah, maybe. So anyway, when we come back
on Gun Radio Utah, I am going to talk about
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the gunsmith of Sportsman's Warehouse when we come back, and
lots of other stuff. And Bill, I'm sure you've got
some stuff too in where you're at in beautiful Utah.
That's good. Hey, I'm gonna do okay. So Bill, you
know when you when we've got when we've got guns
and we're and we're batting them around in our truck
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and that kind of stuff, occasionally they get damaged, right
all right? I know where you take yours, and you
know where I take my. The listeners to Gun Radio
Utah need to have the clue. You don't need to
go shop around or do anything. Get your gun that's damaged,
that that isn't everything you want it to be. Get
it over to the gunsmith a Sportsman's warehouse. The gunsmith
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of Sportsman's Warehouse can take care of your pistol, your revolver,
your rifle, your shotgun, your your two inch barreled judge
that has number nine shots stuck in it or something
like that from shooting crows, whatever it is. If it's
stock work that needs to be done, If you want
it rechambered, it literally can do that. If you want
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it a you want it threaded, for a flash suppressor
or a muffler on your gun to make it shush quiet,
they can take care of all of that for you.
Get it over to the to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. Now,
the easiest way to do it is to take it
into any of the over one and forty six Sportsman's
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Warehouse locations and they'll get it to the gunsmith for you.
And with that, I actually have a guest here at gRPC.
Can you can you still hear me? Bill?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah? Go right ahead?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I was okay, Yeah, yeah, I wasn't you had the
entire time. I want to introduce I want to do
his gun radio Utah to Jared. Jared is a long
time gRPC he's an advocate, he's an activist. He he
kind of does what we do in the state of Michigan,
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but he also does the same thing and consults with
and helps with litigation as well as legislation in many
other states. And so I got talking. I've known him
for a number of years, many many years actually, and
you know, for a guy from Michigan, he knows more
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about Utah gun laws. And that's one of the questions
I'm going to ask him. Why is it that he
knows intimately about Utah gun laws? I mean right down
to the chapter and verse. So, Jared, welcome to Gun
Radio Utah. Why is it that you know so much
about Utah gun laws? Hike Clark, thank you. The reason
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I learned a lot about it was because this has
gone back about twenty one years ago. Now, maybe there
were certain states that the only way you could carry
if you didn't live there was getting a permit through
your fine state, and back then, Virginia was one of them,
and that was the number one reason people would get
a Utah permit back around two thousand and three, ISHU
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and I remember before they tightened down on the training standards.
I just applied for a certificate to the BCI, and
I just simply said that I was a NRA certified.
I grew up around firearms, and they took that so
I didn't have to get the training. I got the
permit and it covered me in states such as Virginia
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and a couple of others. So part of that was
learning the statutes, and I was always interested that when
a lot of states in the nineties and even the
late eighties started to band carry in schools, Utah went
in the opposite direction and even protected teachers and staff
in public schools if I recall correctly, where they can't
even be questioned about it if they're legally carrying, can't
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be part of their contract or the code of conduct.
So you guys are definitely in the top three states
in the country if you had to use some type
of standard to measure you know, who's the best state
on the speke, and that we are. We're the best. Yeah,
you're definitely in the top two. I'll give you that,
all right, all right, we're gonna we'll talk about that. Okay,
So what are some of the big concerns that is
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there a theme of concerns among states? Right now that
they're that they're dealing with. And now about you. Don
I think you guys have what I call first world
problems your state. Okay, So there are states in the
country where, unfortunately, as the politics are getting more how
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do I say this, they're getting more controversial. Some of
the anti gun states are going off the deep end.
They're getting a lot worse. And part of the good
thing about that is a lot of states that have
the climate for being pro gun they're getting better. So
there are states where you're dying of stage four cancer
and your house just burnt down and your kid crash
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your car, where your problems are the equivalent of you're
trying to log onto the trust fund that your parents
left and your password no longer works and you have
to call customer service for them to ask what your
first dog same was, stuff like that to reset the password.
I mean the mere fact that you guys are trying
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to figure out how to get back school carry for
eighteen to twenty year olds, but at the same time
be sure that students of that school that the school
district has the ability to tell Johnny in his senior
year year right chemistry class that he can't bring a
handgun into school. Those are good problems for you guys
to you have. Okay, so you see what you see
our pain, then you see our pain is that we're
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not having to deal with maybe magazine restrictions in waiting periods,
in severe restrictions on concealed garry. We have to deal
with art. We have our own problems too though, right Jared, Oh,
I'm sure the struggle is real for you guys out there.
One of the problems that bothers me that I see
this trend in a lot of states is the Democrat
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Party is really doing a lot to push pro Second
Amendment people out of their party. I mean, I've known states,
have known state reps, state senators over the years who
are an A plus when it comes to firearms. You
don't see many of those people anymore generally. And what
my concern is is for a lot of states, it's
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a matter of time before the Democrat Party gets the
House and the Senate and the governor's office and they're
going to try to ram through a lot of stuff.
In Michigan, that's what we're seeing now. We haven't had
a Democrat trifecta. Oh, I want to say about nineteen
eighty two. Maybe it's been about four decades and they
wasted no time. They have one seat majority in the House,
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and that's not stopping them from passing anything. And think
about your state, which is a GOP dominated state. How
many times has a Republican representator backstab you or got
cold feet. They don't seem to have that problem. So
that's if I had to pick one trend around the
country that concerns me, it's that it's a matter of
time before a lot of states get that Democrat set
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up and they're just ramming as much stuff through that
they can possibly get and be very hard to undo that,
whether it's through the courts or if you get friendly
your reps and you can, you know, have them take
some of those old laws off the books. But it's
easier said than done. It's a lot of work, all right. So, Jared,
I appreciate the insight because you are dealing with you
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you have regular communications with so many of these these lobbyists,
the legislators, the attorneys and that type of thing. So
I appreciate the insight as to how Utah affairs and
you know, the state of the states, so to speak.
With the other states now built. When we come back,
we have a generally unexpected but super fantastic treat when
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we come back on Gun Radio Utah. Stay tuned to
Gun Radio Utah. There are no apologies, and I am
really honored and pleased to present the founder of the
Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizen Committee for the Right
to Keep Them Bear Arms and which gRPC is an
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offshoot of Alan Gottlieb. Alan's Ahi to the Gun Radio
Utah listeners, it's.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Great to be with all of you. Thank you for
having me and so Alan. Here we are thirty ninth
annual Gun Rights Policy Conference. Where you bring the biggest,
the best, the brightest, the actual people that are in
the trenches, so to speak, or in the courtrooms or
in the legislative committees. You have representatives, you have senators,
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you have heads of judiciary committees here at this conference speaking.
And why do we bring them all together once a
year at gRPC.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Well, there are several reasons why, and of course we
also include obviously it's for the key gun rights activists
for the state and local groups all across the country,
which is really the important part because that's how we
really empower, educate and defend the Second Amendment rights, which
is the theme of this year's conference. But the importance
of it is one that helps this layout and plan.
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But we where we've come from in the previous year
and where we want to go with the gun rights
movement in the next year. And that's very, very important
because it's really in a lot of ways, it's from
the bottom up, not the top down. So it isn't
national gun rights groups telling you, you know, what the
playing field is, what you have to do. The activists
lead it on up. So we have a lot of
activists speakers this year. Of course, there's an awful lot
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of attorneys because of all litigation that's been going on,
which is where our winning grounds have been, and a
lot a lot more politicians than usual because it's an
election year.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And so the Second Amendment Foundation is a party to
many lawsuits. I mean, what have you got In fact,
I've lost count How do you know roughly how many
lost in.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Chaunts currently active in lawsuits that we have filed or
fund and where there are fifty six. Then in addition
to that, I think there are eight or nine amicus
briefs we have filed in other active cases. That are
currently being litigated. So in total, we're up there somewhere
around the sixty five suits our court cases are engaged
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in all at one time, which is something I founded
the group. I never could have ever expected.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean, I mean, yeah, I couldn't imagine. And I
do want to publicly thank you for signing on as
a friend of the Court and Ameka's brief to the A.
Potion b. Garland, which was my case that went to
the United States Supreme Court, and so big thanks to that.
That was huge to see saf and that on there. Hey,
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here's a question for you. What goes through the thought
process regarding where you hold the gRPC each year.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Well, first of all, we tend to move it around
the country, so it's not in the same place every year,
and policy has been we don't go back to the
same city at least for four years.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
This is the first.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Time we've ever done one in San Diego. It's not
the first time we've gone one in California. We've done
two of the thirty nine in Los Angeles and two
of the thirty nine I've been in San Francisco, but
we haven't been in California for a while. And what
goes into our mind is one, you know, we're gun
rights under threat if we want to increase our playing field,
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not have a shrink. And the second one is we
also want to go back to places that are very
pro gun rights to reward the efforts of the local
people there.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
All right, Well, I got to tell you, and you know,
there's there's so many note taking and just you know,
and that type of thing. And so I leaned over
the guy next to me, and I don't I don't
know who he is right now, but he says, he says,
he asked me, Hey, did you catch that guy's name?
And what was that concept? And so I told him
what it was. And he says he's taking it back
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to his state, whatever state that was, and he's going
to talk to his legislators about it. So there's so
much of this back and forth, But that also happens
in the hallways outside the conference rooms too. Half of the.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Things that get accomplished at the gun rights policy conference
are not on the agenda or in the ballroom. It's
at the receptions and the hallways and break break time,
when people are getting each other and helping to spread
things that worked in their state and how to stop
bad stuff that what happened.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
In other states.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
There are a couple of really good stories I'd like
to tell that it really didn't effect on one state,
but nine to eleven when nine to eleven had we had,
you know, in September eleventh, we had our conference coming
up in late September. A couple of weeks later, the
airline was shut down. We were concerned, we were people
going to get to be able to get to the
gun right policy to conference if they could would even come.
(32:27):
You know, we were country was under assault, and you know,
we decided, you know, we're just going to ride with it,
and if we are the only people that show up,
we're still going to have the conference lo and beholders.
At that point there was a record attendance. Everybody in
the airlines just went back up so people could fly.
We had a record attendance. The electricity in the room
was amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Everybody want to.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Be with you know, like minded, friendly people, people that
you know had the same concerns they did. And what
happened is is that at one of the breaks, three
guys came over to me. The were airline pilots. One
pre United went for Delta and I forget which the
third airline was, and they were talking about they wanted
to start a new group formed armed Pilots, the Armed
Pilots Association. I said, well, great, I let I want
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this on my agenda, but the agenda is full. But
I'm figuring you up and sticking you on at lunch.
And so I brought him up on lunch and I
talked to the audience and raised a whole bunch of
seed money set up the Armed Pilots Association. Today pilots
are now armed. And that came out of a gun
rights policy conference.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Okay, that is this is the first time I have
ever heard that. You heard it first on gun Radio. Utah.
That's huge, and it's because of g RPC that.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yeah, there are lots of things that have come out
of the gun rights policy conferences like that, and that's
why this conference is so important. It is a gun
rights event of the year and one of the reas
to be moving around just to get you know, half
the people probably have been the previous ones, and uh,
you know, at least a quarter of the people come
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from first time people from the area we put it
in and so we always get a lot of new activists.
And here in California that's really important because in California
and gun vices really under assault. To help the local
the state groups and the local group here is in
the San Diego area, gain new members and.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Supporters is critical. I mean, you've got you've got in
addition to the legislators, the lobbyists, the attorneys, you've got
a lot of your radio show people like me, your
podcast people. You've got Armed America, the host of Armed
America that was just in this room just moments ago
talking to you.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Yeah, Mark Walter's Armed American Radio national show, three hundred
radio stations, uh, and seeing a lot of it. And
unfortunately Tom Gresham from Gun Talk Radio is very ill
this week. Otherwise he'd be here, he would have mcied luncheon.
Both of those serve on our board boards of directors.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, you really do have a star sudded cast the
board of directors and and and this, And I know
Tom listens to the show, and so Tom, I do
hope you get feeling better. And I can understand you're
not wanting to fly not feeling well. So Tom, Tom
Gresham has of course missed, So tell us about how
much this costs and how much you charge people?
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Maybe, well, we start the conference is free. You have
to get here on your own and pay your hotel
room if you from out of town. But you know,
all the materials and the food, luncheons, receptions, everything is free.
We pay for that and the conference costs us a
couple hundred thousand dollars, but it's money well spent and
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educating and training and powering gun rights movement as a whole,
and the rewards that have come back from it. We
felt our dollars are extremely well spent, so it works
out well. We also have got a lot of funders
that help fund us. You know, our biggest funder is
six hour as an example, but the Silencer Shop, number
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of gun companies you know, help help fund us and
sponsor some of the events here. So it's of a
community gun rights policy conference is under the umbrella of
the Second Amendment Foundation Citizens have a Right to Keep
your Arms, But it's really the gun rights movements conference.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Can you can you give the contact information for s
a F and and UH and the Citizens Committee.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Yeah, from the Second Advitage and best ways just go
online at our website at s A F. Dot org
and for the Citizens Committee's a little more difficult. C
c R K b A dot org. Uh to get
the information, to go to the staff website at s
A F dot org. You can also to look up
the Gun Rights Policy Conference and on it you know
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the agenda, but also the you know, live streaming and archives.
It's live streamed on both Facebook and YouTube and it's
archived there on YouTube. So anybody you know wasn't able
to get here, UH, at their leisure can can tune
in parts or all of the conference.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Fantastic. We've been listening to Alan Gottlieb, founder of the
Second Amendment Foundation, and uh, this was your brain child
way back when, almost forty years ago to bring everybody together.
I want to thank you very much. Bill. I'm gonna
throw this back to you in the studio because I
know we've only got about a minute or two.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Great information. Thank Allen there. What a great individual and
a great effort that he puts together. And I'll throw
this out to you. Can pass this along to Alan. Hey,
we'd love to have him host it here in Salt
Lake City. We have some of the best areas to
go shooting, take people out and have a lot of
fun and have an excellent conference, and maybe some of
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these people could learn from our legislators as well on
some of the great things that we do here in Utah.
That'd be awesome. So Clark has always great job there
in California. I know you're going to be coming back
this week, and we have a big activity this upcoming weekend,
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which is the opening day of the l Counts. So
we're going to show Clark how to shoot a bold
action rifle, maybe maybe get an elk or something hopefully
so so anyway, with that, have a great weekend.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
So I can't believe how peasy it is in this country.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
And a good cigarette
And thank you, and welcome to Gun Radio Utah. No apologies,
we're broadcasting. I am broadcasting live from the beautiful San
Diego Marriott Hotel at the Gun Rights Policy Conference, the
thirty ninth annual Gun Rights Policy Conference, or we call
it gRPC, where all of the movers and shakers in
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gun rights from across this nation have assembled an assemble
each year to talk about how their state is doing,
how the Feds are doing, that type of thing. And
virtually joining me from across the table is Bill Patterson,
co host and director of Utah Shooting Sports Council. Bill,
how are you doing over there?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Doing very well? Clark live, I would say in studio here,
but yeah, doing very well. It's been a busy week
with the muzzleloader deer hunt this week. We've been busy
on that. We got back home this afternoon early, got
some texts from friends. It got a big bull, elk up.
(01:02):
I think it's Wallsburg area, but I'm not one hundred
percent for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
With a muzzleloader. They they got it with a muscleloader.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, really nice, beautiful bull.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
And so I can't wait to hear the story that
he's got to tell me because I'm sure it would
be full of lies, but he does have a bull
out to show at, you know, at the end of
the day, and that's what counts.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Okay, So when you hunt with a muzzleloader, do you
have to do it in moccasins as well?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, just a pony. You just have to be riding
on a pony, but with no saddle, no saddle.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, okay, because that's the way it should be. If
you're gonna if you're gonna go early before the you know,
before the regular rifle people do, then you should have
to you should have to have some full attire and disadvantages.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Hey, but I'll.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Give you one good update though. If you want to
see the fall colors, I think this weekend up in
the uh you went as it's going to be drop
dead gorgeous. The colors are just changing and it is
very very beautiful, very cool weather up there, so maybe
take a jacket for the early mornings or evenings. But man,
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it is beautiful up there with the leaves changing right now,
best time of the whole year.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I call it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, thank you, because I'm in California right now, so
not going to be up there. Nonetheless, I'll be there.
I'll be back in beautiful Utah soon. And hey, joining
us right now. We actually have the captain of the
University of Utah pistol team, Tyler Jason Tyler, Are you there?
I am, yes, Oh, fantastic, coming in loud and clear.
(02:34):
That's awesome. So Tyler tell us about Well, you're the captain, right, Yes,
I am, Yeah, captain, my captain. All right, now, tell
us about the UFU pistol team, because I think that
surprises a lot of people that the University of Utah
has a actual pistol team.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, we're one of thirteen universities in the country that
has an Olympic pistol team. First thing, I wanted to say,
I really appreciate everything that the FBC and GA are
doing over there in California, So I just wanted to say,
that's really great of you being out there. But we
do Olympic pistol disciplines. So just like what you saw
(03:14):
on in Paris, we do all those disciplines with air
pistol and twenty two. We train on campus. We have
a fantastic range there and we've been going since about
the nineteen seventies and and it's we have twenty shooters
on the team right now.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Twenty so you have twenty in their University of Utah students.
So they're taking something. But this is an extra Did
they get credit for this? Orsus extracurricular? It's extracurricular, so
it's it's like an intramural sport. So we're not a
part of the athletics department at the university. We're considered
like a club sport. Okay, all right, So all right,
(03:59):
now you've got an event coming up. The U of
your Epistle team has an event coming up that regular
folks like you and Bill and I can join in on.
Tell us about this.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, So on the twenty fifth of October, we are
doing a exhibition shoot and charity auction and that will
be at the Armory Shooting Range in Sandy. They've partnered
with us and they're doing a whole lot of good
with us here. And our exhibition shoot is going to
be at four thirty pm on October twenty fifth, and
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then that will end at six pm. So we're going
to show the community what we do exactly with our
Olympic pistol disciplines, and we'll be doing a silent auction
the entire day from ten am until six point thirty
is when that silent auction will close, and any items
that haven't been bid on, we'll do a auction for
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those remaining items at six forty pm. I got live
in one of those yep yep, and we've got some
really great donations as well.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Some of the things to.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
CO they've been fantastic. They donated four suppressors. We also
have a gun slipped two thousand. They gave us a
whole bunch of lube to pass out to people that
come in a point, gave us an acro P two.
We have dueling tree, so action target, and then Q
(05:28):
gave us a sugar reasel as well. So it's a
whole range of stuff that we're going to be auctioning
off anywhere from thirty anywhere from thirty dollars retail all
the way up to the sugar reasel is almost two
thousand dollars retail price. Oh you say, oh my, yeah, yeah,
it's a really fantastic They are.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
All right, well, this is pretty cool, and so tell
us about tell us about some of the successes of
the UFU Pistol team, and also I'd like to know
What are you going to use this money that you
get that you're going to get from the silent auction
and that type of thing. What are you going to
use that for?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
You know, those two questions work really well together. Last
year at Nationals, we actually took third place out of
the country for air pistol. And we've had All American
shooters for the last four years, so at least one
of the team members has been on the All American team,
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and that's with guns that are last manufactured. In nineteen
eighty six was the last year that our firearms were using.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right now is.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Manufactured, so they're almost forty years old. So everything that
we raise from this fundraiser will be put towards getting
new competition grade pistols for the team, and then anything
that it goes over that will be used to send
our team members to Nationals and to some of our
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away games. We have one way match in Ohio this year,
so that's what else we'll pay for. So we're looking
to modernize basically everything on the team well.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I can only bet that those pistols are not cheap. No,
they're not. They're about two thousand dollars each. Okay, all right,
so the money will be obviously well spent. And you
guys sound like you're really kicking it, I mean third place.
Tell us how people can find out more about this,
and I mean you've given the it's October twenty fifth
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over at the Armory four thirty to six, But tell us,
is there a website that we can go to to
even find more information?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, so we have. Our chief sponsor is the UPMS,
the Utah Precision Marksmanship Society, and their website is UPMS
dot org. But all the information will be on our
Instagram page, which is at u of U Pistol.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
At you of you Pistol fantastic, Tyler Jason, Captain University
of Utah Pistol Team. Thank you for being on Gun
Radio Utah. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me and we're
looking forward to this event. It's going to be a
great time.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Thank you very much. And Bill, I you know, we
we've actually got a few a few minutes earlier. I
wanted to thank you Bill for coming in because I
think you may have cut your cut your your muzzle
loading trip a little short.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Nifteen adventures or is that where you're trying to go
with there. It's a hunting adventure.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You're a muscleloading well you're yeah, you're hunting. You're tramping
through the woods in your in your leather chaps and
your moccasins.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, there you go. No, not a problem out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
In fact, I've had a great week with family and
we've had a great time out in the great outdoors.
One thing I do regret though, and I'm very disappointed,
but I'll have it fixed and corrected by next weekend
is I forgot my judge, and so I had lots
of opportunities for grouse what we call the mountain chickens,
(09:03):
and I got my judge, and I'm like going, I
go now with.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Your regular hunting license or do you need a small
game license for that? Or what do you need for that?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Now?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The combination license you're hunting fishing will cover that. If
you do not have a big game license and you
want to go try some grasse and you do need
a small game license.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For you, just do that online, right exactly?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, do it?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Okay, So here's a question. Then, Okay, I've seen your judge.
Isn't it the two inch barrel?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
One? Yeah? I think it's two inch. If that, how
do you hit?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What size shot do you use in the four ten?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
For that, well, you have to have a half our shot,
which is basically what goes into a shot show on
a four to ten. But I use a nine shot,
and I'll.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Tell you this pretty small.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's very small, and the birds have a good advantage
because by the time comes out of the barrel it's
pretty much scattered all over the place and after ten.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Unuseful.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
When we come back, We've got lots more to cover,
and I'll give you some insight as to what's been
going on at gRPC when we come back on Gun
Radio Utah. So stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Want to make a liberal mad Tell them you listen
to gun Radio Utah with clarka potion. Evanka and I
listen to Clark a potion and Bill and Casey. Clark
is a great, great person, a nice person. I've met him.
My son Don Junr has met him. We like Clark.
He has a funny last name, but still a great
(10:39):
great man. Clark is very, very knowledgeable about guns, you know,
totally smart. I send my secret service detail to Clark
a potion for training.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They love him.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
In fact, if Clark wasn't so busy doing great, great
things in beautiful Utah. I would hire Clark as my
guns are.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And welcome back to gun Radio. We pulled that one
out of the vaults there because Clark. I don't know
if he would want you to train the secrets. Yeah,
well actually he would want thank you a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, yeah, actually he would want to.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Let me tell you, the secret service that I trained
for Trump is not the same that he is using
that So, you know, just thrown it out there.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Bill.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I knew we had that out there, and so I thought,
I got to dig this up and see if we
can use it. But it's always fun to hear Old Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You know, it's been a while since we since we
sat down with the with the former president and and
made those those wonderful things there. So fantastic. Hey, we
are we are at well. I am at g r
PC Gun Rights Policy Conference, thirty ninth annuals put on
by the Essay at the Second Amendment Foundation and the
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep in Bare Arms.
(11:56):
It's a it's a big, big group of people that
are we have it's kind of a combination of attorneys
that they may have regular attorney jobs, like I don't know,
there was a DUI attorney and he was really great.
And you know planets, council attorneys. You know, lots of
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regular criminal and civil defense attorneys. But they also in
their spare time, if you will, they fight two A
cases as well. So a lot of attorneys, a lot
of lobbyists, a lot of groups and organizations. Women for
Gun Rights is here, the Knife Rights is here. The
like we said before, like I said, I may have said,
(12:40):
the California Rifle and Pistol Association is here. I have
newfound respect for them, by the way, because here we
are in the Valley of the Beast, and they have
something like twelve to fifteen different lawsuits going on right
now that they are that they are funding, that they
are you know that they're promoting right now everything from
(13:03):
waiting periods to magazine restrictions to the concealed carry permit issuance.
So in fact, in a recorded segment probably next week,
I have Chuck Michelle on and we talked about some
of the things that are going on. Because you know,
there's a lot of Californians that move to Utah, and
(13:27):
you and I are both you and I are both
among them. I mean, truth be told right right right
transplant so and and a lot of us still have
family here, so we visit back into California. Well, you
can't carry. You can't get a concealed carry permit as
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a non resident. However, that is now changing and the CRPA,
the California Rifle and Pistol Association, has seen to it,
and his one court case is and now is working
with the sheriff Department to formulate a plan for non
residents like you and I and other Utahns and everybody
within the sound of the voice that don't live in
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California to get a permit online. Essentially, there are be
a shooting requirement, but you'll be able to do that
shooting requirement within seventy five miles of where you live
in Utah or wherever you live.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, I bet you could do the shooting requirements right
there in San Francisco or La too.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well that would be you mean, you're soft defense shooting, yes, exactly, Yeah,
that would be uh hands on types stuff there exactly.
So uh, we've got that. In fact, it was kind
of funny. I was, Oh, I got you a mug
by the way, Oh, thank do you want a mug?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I got you a nice little gRPC mugs a Second
Amendment foundation on it. And so don't say I never
get you anything cool.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You're the best.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So we've so I'm coming down the elevator. And even
though I mean the whole conference is here at the
the Marriott, there are other people, like regular folks that
are staying at the Marriotte too, And so I've got
my little badge and it says gRPC and it's got
some guns. It's festooned with guns on the badge. And
(15:14):
you know, my little Neckhanngar badge and it has my name.
And then I'm wearing my gun Radio Utah shirt and
Utah Shooting Sports Council and so on and so forth.
And this guy standing next to me in the elevator
coming down fifteen floors is just like looking me up
and down and looking at me. Don't really, I'm like,
(15:34):
And he says, Well, all the places to have a
conference like that, I guess this is a pretty good
place to have it, right. So he was talking about
the state of California. I says, I says none better.
I says, you folks need all the help you can
get and he says, oh, heck, I'm not from California.
I'm from Iowa. And I says, how you guys was it?
And I couldn't know? He says, Ohio, And I says,
(15:57):
I says, if you check the menu in the restaurant upstairs,
I don't think there's any cats anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, So let me ask you this, Clark, do you
run into the same type of kind of the with
folks outside the hotel, you know, just protesting the conference
or anything.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I haven't seen any protesters really. That kind of surprises me.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, that kind of surprises me from a California perspective.
You know, I think that you'd probably run into that
like an NRA event or down at a shot show
or something.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So you know, that's in Mendel double check. But I
mean I walked outside. It's beautiful, seventy two degrees and slight,
little slight breeze, beautiful out here. But anyway, I haven't
noticed any and so I, uh, you know, because I
would obviously go out and engage in.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Exactly That's what I was just going to tell our
audience here. So when Clark sees a group out there, protesting.
He's always offering donuts or coffee or something so that
they're comfortable in their protest, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Very and I think you know what they remember when
we had protests outside the gun show the Crossroads of
the West gun Show in Sandy, I think we brought
them hot chocolate.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
No, it was very cold outside.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And when it was cold, it was it was I mean,
it wasn't in the summer. It was in the winter time,
and they were waiting outside and we brought them hot
chocolate and a lot of them sneered at it. But
but yeah, so, I mean it's yeah, I mean California
and gRPC they you know, I haven't really talked. Maybe
I'll ask Alan Gottlieb. Maybe I'll get an interview with
(17:41):
him and ask him, why do you pick because last
year it was in Arizona. But they've had it in Illinois,
they've had it, and they've had it in San Francisco before,
they've had it in Texas. So I'm curious as to
why do they decide on a specific location. Is it
because of their gun laws or anything like that. So anyway, yeah,
(18:02):
so we've we've heard from the folks in Arizona hey,
I'm going to tell you. You know, Arizona, A lot of
people think it it in Texas especially, are these bastions
for two A, you know, preservation and that type of
thing Arizona has. I think it was a one vote
(18:22):
GOP lead in their House and and a similar one
in their Senate right now, and a and a and
a fairly anti gun d governor. So they aren't doing
so good and and there they're backsliding they uh, And
then we heard from who else was it now? I
(18:44):
can't remember, Oh, oh, somebody from Kansas. Kansas was the same.
Kansas was basically the same thing as well, with very
slim majorities, very slim one and two vote majorities in there,
and what they're having to deal with it was just
kind of funny. And so you know, they're dealing with
(19:05):
with waiting periods and all these other things that you
think that Bruin would have answered. And so I asked,
and I said, you know, I was in a group
and we asked, and I says, they said, well, what's
what's Utah dealing with? And I said, well, we're we're
trying to fix it so that you know, because you
your provisional concealed carry permit isn't good in K through
(19:27):
twelve schools. I says, we're trying to fix that so
that they are and just make it so that the
eighteen year olds that are going to school can't carry there.
And they kind of looked at me like, that's your
biggest problem, clerk, that's your biggest problem in Utah. I said, well,
you know, yeah, maybe. So anyway, when we come back
on Gun Radio Utah, I am going to talk about
(19:48):
the gunsmith of Sportsman's Warehouse when we come back, and
lots of other stuff. And Bill, I'm sure you've got
some stuff too in where you're at in beautiful Utah.
That's good. Hey, I'm gonna do okay. So Bill, you
know when you when we've got when we've got guns
and we're and we're batting them around in our truck
(20:09):
and that kind of stuff, occasionally they get damaged, right
all right? I know where you take yours, and you
know where I take my. The listeners to Gun Radio
Utah need to have the clue. You don't need to
go shop around or do anything. Get your gun that's damaged,
that that isn't everything you want it to be. Get
it over to the gunsmith a Sportsman's warehouse. The gunsmith
(20:30):
of Sportsman's Warehouse can take care of your pistol, your revolver,
your rifle, your shotgun, your your two inch barreled judge
that has number nine shots stuck in it or something
like that from shooting crows, whatever it is. If it's
stock work that needs to be done, If you want
it rechambered, it literally can do that. If you want
(20:52):
it a you want it threaded, for a flash suppressor
or a muffler on your gun to make it shush quiet,
they can take care of all of that for you.
Get it over to the to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. Now,
the easiest way to do it is to take it
into any of the over one and forty six Sportsman's
(21:13):
Warehouse locations and they'll get it to the gunsmith for you.
And with that, I actually have a guest here at gRPC.
Can you can you still hear me? Bill?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah? Go right ahead?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I was okay, Yeah, yeah, I wasn't you had the
entire time. I want to introduce I want to do
his gun radio Utah to Jared. Jared is a long
time gRPC he's an advocate, he's an activist. He he
kind of does what we do in the state of Michigan,
(21:51):
but he also does the same thing and consults with
and helps with litigation as well as legislation in many
other states. And so I got talking. I've known him
for a number of years, many many years actually, and
you know, for a guy from Michigan, he knows more
(22:11):
about Utah gun laws. And that's one of the questions
I'm going to ask him. Why is it that he
knows intimately about Utah gun laws? I mean right down
to the chapter and verse. So, Jared, welcome to Gun
Radio Utah. Why is it that you know so much
about Utah gun laws? Hike Clark, thank you. The reason
(22:31):
I learned a lot about it was because this has
gone back about twenty one years ago. Now, maybe there
were certain states that the only way you could carry
if you didn't live there was getting a permit through
your fine state, and back then, Virginia was one of them,
and that was the number one reason people would get
a Utah permit back around two thousand and three, ISHU
(22:54):
and I remember before they tightened down on the training standards.
I just applied for a certificate to the BCI, and
I just simply said that I was a NRA certified.
I grew up around firearms, and they took that so
I didn't have to get the training. I got the
permit and it covered me in states such as Virginia
(23:17):
and a couple of others. So part of that was
learning the statutes, and I was always interested that when
a lot of states in the nineties and even the
late eighties started to band carry in schools, Utah went
in the opposite direction and even protected teachers and staff
in public schools if I recall correctly, where they can't
even be questioned about it if they're legally carrying, can't
(23:37):
be part of their contract or the code of conduct.
So you guys are definitely in the top three states
in the country if you had to use some type
of standard to measure you know, who's the best state
on the speke, and that we are. We're the best. Yeah,
you're definitely in the top two. I'll give you that,
all right, all right, we're gonna we'll talk about that. Okay,
So what are some of the big concerns that is
(24:00):
there a theme of concerns among states? Right now that
they're that they're dealing with. And now about you. Don
I think you guys have what I call first world
problems your state. Okay, So there are states in the
country where, unfortunately, as the politics are getting more how
(24:22):
do I say this, they're getting more controversial. Some of
the anti gun states are going off the deep end.
They're getting a lot worse. And part of the good
thing about that is a lot of states that have
the climate for being pro gun they're getting better. So
there are states where you're dying of stage four cancer
and your house just burnt down and your kid crash
(24:43):
your car, where your problems are the equivalent of you're
trying to log onto the trust fund that your parents
left and your password no longer works and you have
to call customer service for them to ask what your
first dog same was, stuff like that to reset the password.
I mean the mere fact that you guys are trying
(25:05):
to figure out how to get back school carry for
eighteen to twenty year olds, but at the same time
be sure that students of that school that the school
district has the ability to tell Johnny in his senior
year year right chemistry class that he can't bring a
handgun into school. Those are good problems for you guys
to you have. Okay, so you see what you see
our pain, then you see our pain is that we're
(25:28):
not having to deal with maybe magazine restrictions in waiting periods,
in severe restrictions on concealed garry. We have to deal
with art. We have our own problems too though, right Jared, Oh,
I'm sure the struggle is real for you guys out there.
One of the problems that bothers me that I see
this trend in a lot of states is the Democrat
(25:49):
Party is really doing a lot to push pro Second
Amendment people out of their party. I mean, I've known states,
have known state reps, state senators over the years who
are an A plus when it comes to firearms. You
don't see many of those people anymore generally. And what
my concern is is for a lot of states, it's
(26:10):
a matter of time before the Democrat Party gets the
House and the Senate and the governor's office and they're
going to try to ram through a lot of stuff.
In Michigan, that's what we're seeing now. We haven't had
a Democrat trifecta. Oh, I want to say about nineteen
eighty two. Maybe it's been about four decades and they
wasted no time. They have one seat majority in the House,
(26:32):
and that's not stopping them from passing anything. And think
about your state, which is a GOP dominated state. How
many times has a Republican representator backstab you or got
cold feet. They don't seem to have that problem. So
that's if I had to pick one trend around the
country that concerns me, it's that it's a matter of
time before a lot of states get that Democrat set
(26:54):
up and they're just ramming as much stuff through that
they can possibly get and be very hard to undo that,
whether it's through the courts or if you get friendly
your reps and you can, you know, have them take
some of those old laws off the books. But it's
easier said than done. It's a lot of work, all right. So, Jared,
I appreciate the insight because you are dealing with you
(27:17):
you have regular communications with so many of these these lobbyists,
the legislators, the attorneys and that type of thing. So
I appreciate the insight as to how Utah affairs and
you know, the state of the states, so to speak.
With the other states now built. When we come back,
we have a generally unexpected but super fantastic treat when
(27:40):
we come back on Gun Radio Utah. Stay tuned to
Gun Radio Utah. There are no apologies, and I am
really honored and pleased to present the founder of the
Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizen Committee for the Right
to Keep Them Bear Arms and which gRPC is an
(28:01):
offshoot of Alan Gottlieb. Alan's Ahi to the Gun Radio
Utah listeners, it's.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Great to be with all of you. Thank you for
having me and so Alan. Here we are thirty ninth
annual Gun Rights Policy Conference. Where you bring the biggest,
the best, the brightest, the actual people that are in
the trenches, so to speak, or in the courtrooms or
in the legislative committees. You have representatives, you have senators,
(28:26):
you have heads of judiciary committees here at this conference speaking.
And why do we bring them all together once a
year at gRPC.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Well, there are several reasons why, and of course we
also include obviously it's for the key gun rights activists
for the state and local groups all across the country,
which is really the important part because that's how we
really empower, educate and defend the Second Amendment rights, which
is the theme of this year's conference. But the importance
of it is one that helps this layout and plan.
(29:02):
But we where we've come from in the previous year
and where we want to go with the gun rights
movement in the next year. And that's very, very important
because it's really in a lot of ways, it's from
the bottom up, not the top down. So it isn't
national gun rights groups telling you, you know, what the
playing field is, what you have to do. The activists
lead it on up. So we have a lot of
activists speakers this year. Of course, there's an awful lot
(29:23):
of attorneys because of all litigation that's been going on,
which is where our winning grounds have been, and a
lot a lot more politicians than usual because it's an
election year.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And so the Second Amendment Foundation is a party to
many lawsuits. I mean, what have you got In fact,
I've lost count How do you know roughly how many
lost in.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Chaunts currently active in lawsuits that we have filed or
fund and where there are fifty six. Then in addition
to that, I think there are eight or nine amicus
briefs we have filed in other active cases. That are
currently being litigated. So in total, we're up there somewhere
around the sixty five suits our court cases are engaged
(30:03):
in all at one time, which is something I founded
the group. I never could have ever expected.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean, I mean, yeah, I couldn't imagine. And I
do want to publicly thank you for signing on as
a friend of the Court and Ameka's brief to the A.
Potion b. Garland, which was my case that went to
the United States Supreme Court, and so big thanks to that.
That was huge to see saf and that on there. Hey,
(30:29):
here's a question for you. What goes through the thought
process regarding where you hold the gRPC each year.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Well, first of all, we tend to move it around
the country, so it's not in the same place every year,
and policy has been we don't go back to the
same city at least for four years.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
This is the first.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Time we've ever done one in San Diego. It's not
the first time we've gone one in California. We've done
two of the thirty nine in Los Angeles and two
of the thirty nine I've been in San Francisco, but
we haven't been in California for a while. And what
goes into our mind is one, you know, we're gun
rights under threat if we want to increase our playing field,
(31:10):
not have a shrink. And the second one is we
also want to go back to places that are very
pro gun rights to reward the efforts of the local
people there.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
All right, Well, I got to tell you, and you know,
there's there's so many note taking and just you know,
and that type of thing. And so I leaned over
the guy next to me, and I don't I don't
know who he is right now, but he says, he says,
he asked me, Hey, did you catch that guy's name?
And what was that concept? And so I told him
what it was. And he says he's taking it back
(31:38):
to his state, whatever state that was, and he's going
to talk to his legislators about it. So there's so
much of this back and forth, But that also happens
in the hallways outside the conference rooms too. Half of the.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Things that get accomplished at the gun rights policy conference
are not on the agenda or in the ballroom. It's
at the receptions and the hallways and break break time,
when people are getting each other and helping to spread
things that worked in their state and how to stop
bad stuff that what happened.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
In other states.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
There are a couple of really good stories I'd like
to tell that it really didn't effect on one state,
but nine to eleven when nine to eleven had we had,
you know, in September eleventh, we had our conference coming
up in late September. A couple of weeks later, the
airline was shut down. We were concerned, we were people
going to get to be able to get to the
gun right policy to conference if they could would even come.
(32:27):
You know, we were country was under assault, and you know,
we decided, you know, we're just going to ride with it,
and if we are the only people that show up,
we're still going to have the conference lo and beholders.
At that point there was a record attendance. Everybody in
the airlines just went back up so people could fly.
We had a record attendance. The electricity in the room
was amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Everybody want to.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Be with you know, like minded, friendly people, people that
you know had the same concerns they did. And what
happened is is that at one of the breaks, three
guys came over to me. The were airline pilots. One
pre United went for Delta and I forget which the
third airline was, and they were talking about they wanted
to start a new group formed armed Pilots, the Armed
Pilots Association. I said, well, great, I let I want
(33:09):
this on my agenda, but the agenda is full. But
I'm figuring you up and sticking you on at lunch.
And so I brought him up on lunch and I
talked to the audience and raised a whole bunch of
seed money set up the Armed Pilots Association. Today pilots
are now armed. And that came out of a gun
rights policy conference.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Okay, that is this is the first time I have
ever heard that. You heard it first on gun Radio. Utah.
That's huge, and it's because of g RPC that.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yeah, there are lots of things that have come out
of the gun rights policy conferences like that, and that's
why this conference is so important. It is a gun
rights event of the year and one of the reas
to be moving around just to get you know, half
the people probably have been the previous ones, and uh,
you know, at least a quarter of the people come
(33:58):
from first time people from the area we put it
in and so we always get a lot of new activists.
And here in California that's really important because in California
and gun vices really under assault. To help the local
the state groups and the local group here is in
the San Diego area, gain new members and.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Supporters is critical. I mean, you've got you've got in
addition to the legislators, the lobbyists, the attorneys, you've got
a lot of your radio show people like me, your
podcast people. You've got Armed America, the host of Armed
America that was just in this room just moments ago
talking to you.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Yeah, Mark Walter's Armed American Radio national show, three hundred
radio stations, uh, and seeing a lot of it. And
unfortunately Tom Gresham from Gun Talk Radio is very ill
this week. Otherwise he'd be here, he would have mcied luncheon.
Both of those serve on our board boards of directors.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, you really do have a star sudded cast the
board of directors and and and this, And I know
Tom listens to the show, and so Tom, I do
hope you get feeling better. And I can understand you're
not wanting to fly not feeling well. So Tom, Tom
Gresham has of course missed, So tell us about how
much this costs and how much you charge people?
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Maybe, well, we start the conference is free. You have
to get here on your own and pay your hotel
room if you from out of town. But you know,
all the materials and the food, luncheons, receptions, everything is free.
We pay for that and the conference costs us a
couple hundred thousand dollars, but it's money well spent and
(35:33):
educating and training and powering gun rights movement as a whole,
and the rewards that have come back from it. We
felt our dollars are extremely well spent, so it works
out well. We also have got a lot of funders
that help fund us. You know, our biggest funder is
six hour as an example, but the Silencer Shop, number
(35:54):
of gun companies you know, help help fund us and
sponsor some of the events here. So it's of a
community gun rights policy conference is under the umbrella of
the Second Amendment Foundation Citizens have a Right to Keep
your Arms, But it's really the gun rights movements conference.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Can you can you give the contact information for s
a F and and UH and the Citizens Committee.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Yeah, from the Second Advitage and best ways just go
online at our website at s A F. Dot org
and for the Citizens Committee's a little more difficult. C
c R K b A dot org. Uh to get
the information, to go to the staff website at s
A F dot org. You can also to look up
the Gun Rights Policy Conference and on it you know
(36:37):
the agenda, but also the you know, live streaming and archives.
It's live streamed on both Facebook and YouTube and it's
archived there on YouTube. So anybody you know wasn't able
to get here, UH, at their leisure can can tune
in parts or all of the conference.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Fantastic. We've been listening to Alan Gottlieb, founder of the
Second Amendment Foundation, and uh, this was your brain child
way back when, almost forty years ago to bring everybody together.
I want to thank you very much. Bill. I'm gonna
throw this back to you in the studio because I
know we've only got about a minute or two.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Great information. Thank Allen there. What a great individual and
a great effort that he puts together. And I'll throw
this out to you. Can pass this along to Alan. Hey,
we'd love to have him host it here in Salt
Lake City. We have some of the best areas to
go shooting, take people out and have a lot of
fun and have an excellent conference, and maybe some of
(37:32):
these people could learn from our legislators as well on
some of the great things that we do here in Utah.
That'd be awesome. So Clark has always great job there
in California. I know you're going to be coming back
this week, and we have a big activity this upcoming weekend,
(37:53):
which is the opening day of the l Counts. So
we're going to show Clark how to shoot a bold
action rifle, maybe maybe get an elk or something hopefully
so so anyway, with that, have a great weekend.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
So I can't believe how peasy it is in this country.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
And a good cigarette
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