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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to gun Radio Utah. Sitting across roomy in Ghost
Eye Manor is Clerk the a post show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't know we were on.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We're on, dude, Yeah, well I didn't hear any music.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well Denny does the finger pointing. That means really on.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I did see. I did see. I did see Danny
doing the finger pointing. I just thought he was he
was playing air drums or something. Anyways, Welcome to gun
Radio Utah. There are no apologies, so I won't say
I'm sorry about that, and I am broadcasting life from
Ghost II Manor and beautiful. You went to County, the
very first Second Amendment sanctuary county in the state of Utah.
And we are co joined with the iHeart Studios in
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downtown West Valley City, well West Valley City and Bill
Petterson he is hosting there from the big Boy chair.
I see and uh and fantastic. So we've got we've
got a heck of.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
A show for you.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let me tell you, let me tell you what we've got.
This has been a long time in the making. It
is the last show of twenty twenty four. So uh
so with that, we're gonna we're gonna be talking about, Hey,
what have we been through in the last year, and
some of the trends that have been happening in the
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past year, maybe past two years, so on and so forth.
And I'd like to fourth segment maybe even maybe even
talk about what's gonna what's likely to come up, what
the trends are to coming up. In addition, we have
uh oh, we might talk about abolishing the ATF. I
don't know, maybe a little teeny bit about that, but
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bigger than that, I want to talk about. This has
been a kind of a bitter sweet anniversary, very very
bitter in tragic, the anniversary this month, twelve years ago
Sandy Hook in Connecticut, where twenty kids were killed six
adults and as the shooter went into a place that
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was unarmed, a place that was supposed to be a sanctuary,
you know, a place that you know, we'd often thought, Hey,
you know, malls and all that kind of stuff are
one thing, but you stay with stay the heck away
from our kids. And we're going to have We're going
to talk about that. And it was an anniversary of
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Casey Jane doctor Casey Jane O potent in ours where
we met. We met actually twelve years ago at a
class that the Utah Shooting Sports Council put one in
response to Sandy Hook.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, it was our our annual Well wasn't our annual,
but it was our initial initial pilgrimage of our safe
to Teach, Safe to Learn initiative for school teachers.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean we had been teaching school teachers in media
and legislators and that, you know, once once a year,
and but this was You're right, this is when we
first brought out safe to Learn, Safe to Teach.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And this was the probably the most and we'll talk
about it in the next segment, but this is probably
the single largest event for Utah Shooting Sports Council, not
only with the participants that showed up at that class,
but the international, the local, national, and international recognition that
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came in along with it. Huge flabber gas that teachers
are able and allowed with a permit to carry in
public schools.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And I see, and I like to say, and that
is accurate. That's accurate.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I like to kind of turn it around in that
teachers and regular folks in Utah, as long as they're
not otherwise prohibited, but regular folks can carry can carry
a gun pretty much everywhere with slight exception, and teachers
should be no different.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We didn't. We don't arm the teachers.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
We just don't disarm them, you know, so as soon
as they walked through the school door.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So anyway, we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
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Bill rather excited. You're going to be coming down next week, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, we're going to come out to thee. Yeah, as
soon as I get my permit and as soon as
the paperwork's all done. Yeah, we're going to head out
your head out your way. Wait a minute, you'r permit.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Permit?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, I'm coming from Salt Lake County. I got to
get a permit to leave.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Oh that's right. They will stop you at the border.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Are you into county, especially when they find out you're
in Salt Lakes from Salt Lake County. Yeah, you need
to put one of those little stickers on your car
and it'll get you through the roadblocks. Anyway, you're gonna
be out there to help me because you've already done it.
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it's a bit more expensive, but it's super cheap.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And can't wait.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
We've got a big necessities room that we're going to
do and Bill's gonna help me, because hee, Bill, you've
already done yours.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
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it's not rifle, it's a shotgun hanging up on the wall,
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Hold up.
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I've got to look into this some more. They got these,
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pretty sharp looking.
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Speaker 3 (07:34):
And we're going to do this early because we've got
a we've got kind of a busy show, I think.
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Speaker 2 (07:46):
I can't remember. You did all my work for me. Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (08:34):
Will be right back, So stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No, it is me yours truly hey, and we are
so glad to have you with us here on Gunady
to Utah on this cloudy, rainy day. But you couldn't
have picked a better spot to be in. And if
you want to get informed or stay informed with some
upcoming legislation that we're going to be doing, check out
Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org and get signed up on
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our email alert system. It's it costs you no money,
and we keep all that information confidential. Uh, no one
on the board even gets to see that information. But
at least you can be in the know and you
can see what's going on. We've got some great things happening.
And it's funny, Clark, my phone lights up on almost
on a daily basis with our Second Amendment group. These
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are legislators, former legislators, current legislators and goof offs like
me and you that uh you know, are working on
discussions and what's happening around the country and here in
Utah for gun laws.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, they there were some good ones from from
former Representative Kurdoda and Mitch Vlos and Art and Corey
malloy and yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Now I got I gotta admit though, because it got
we got little sideways on the discussion. But I was
talking about my turkey hunt yesterday. I went down to
Utah County ut Pobblecrik. I invited on some property to
go shoot hunt some turkeys, and so I thought, what
a better time to go try out the sig sour
MCX semi automatic assault pellet gun and go get a turkey.
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It's small, Oh my god. And let me tell you,
I did not bring enough gun for those birds. I
had fun trying, but that's all it was is trying.
So you saw some birds, oh, probably about four hundred
of them. Yeah, It was a real a lot of
birds and there, and it was funny. They're just single
one after another walking through this guy's backyard for about
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twenty minutes straight until they cleared out, and then another
group would come through, and another group would come through.
It was actually pretty comical. But but we did get one,
and I will tell you and for you with no,
I didn't you got it with. One of my buddies
got one with his pellet gun. And he his pellet
gun was one of those mx is out of Utah
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air Guns, out of Utah County with a twenty five
caliber pelic gun and he drilled it. And I'm like, okay,
enough said, time to go get a new pelic gun.
So not that the MCX is not a killing machine.
It's just pot guts. Yes, Turkeys no so, but if
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you want to round those things up.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Kangaroo ghost Di maners a little herding Australian shepherd loves
to heard turkeys, but I don't let her. I don't
let her get too close to him while she's hurting them,
because they've got some nasty talents, yeah don't.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm sure they could beat a little puppy up pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Anyway, Hey, we're talking about in first segment. We've got
to roll into this, but we're talking about a twelve
year anniversary about Sandy Hook And and you called me
up on the phone and said, Bill, I got this
great idea. What do you think about I got to
talk to the board members, but you said, why don't
we set up a concealed carry class for school teachers
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during the Christmas break. It be a good time because
the teachers are out of school, and we had we
had to really run and jump on that to make
it happen. We did, it got unanimous support from the board,
and then we had to come up with it. And
as we were getting the word out, one of the
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biggest problems we had was the response to this class.
It kept growing and growing and growing, and we were
going from one facility to another facility, and we ended
up out at the Mavericks Center out here in West Valley,
just right down the road from our studio, and and
we thought, Okay, this will be great, but then we
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max that out and we had to turn teachers away.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That morning of that of the twenty seventh, yeah, which
was yesterday, twelve years ago, yesterday. Yeah, And you know, Bill,
I remember the phone call.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I was in my it was in my truck.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It was in my I think a Dodge Durra angle anyway,
And I remember calling saying, everybody on national news, on
local news is talking about what a tragedy this is,
and indeed it was, and they were just blaming guns.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Let's blame the gun. That's the whole reason. Was the gun.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And I'm thinking, no, actually, it might be part of
the answer, because what was what was common in all
these states, especially in Connecticut, teachers cannot legally carry a firearm,
even if they had a concealed carry permit. They are
disarmed even on the property, let alone inside the building.
And I said, we, Utah, with a concealed carry permit,
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you can carry teachers, custodians, librarians, administrators, moms and dads
can carry in those schools. Why can't this little state
of Utah three and a half million people talk about that,
export this idea that we haven't had a problem with.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And why can't we export this?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And I realized that teaching three hundred and four hundred
teachers was a drop in the bucket compared to what
is needed in the nation. But at least it got
the word out. And it did get the word out,
didn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh my gosh, I've never seen it. Was one thing
to accommodate for the teachers in that, but then we
had to accommodate also for the press. We had local press,
we had national press, we had CNN, we had all
your big carriers there, big outlets, and then we had
international outlets. We had them from Australia, we had them
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from Japan, we had them from the UK, we had
them from all over the place. And they're all, you know,
congregating right there at the Mavericks Center. And I'll tell you,
I think I think some of our students, which are
are teachers and those that were attending the class, were
a little overwhelmed by it because if you had.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It came in their faces.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, and we respect the privacy of the of the teachers,
and so we had to coordinate and section off areas
where cameras could go and where cameras could not go.
And we got we got grief on that. We got
a photographer, one of our firearm handling instructors was there,
and God rest his soul, but you know, the cameras
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looking right at the barrel of the guns. This teachers.
You know, I was like, dude, get away from behind
the gun.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I remember you and.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The other bill and board members came up to me
and said, the CNN media pool wants to once the
list of all the teachers. And we had the list
of all the all the names of the teachers and
what school they represented in that but that's a private
list and in fact, by law, we can't give that out.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But they were just, oh, give us the list. We
want to interview these people. Well not all of.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Them, would be fantastic on be talking about this and anyway,
I remember saying, let's just pass a list around.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Either that or you said it, let's pass a list around.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And so I remember we passed around a little yellow legal,
you know, piece of paper and if they wanted and
if these educators wanted to be interviewed or didn't mind
if their name got out there.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Thought, okay now, and we intercepted that list from the media.
We got it before they got it, and I remember
you and our other board member going over the list,
all three of us before we handed it to the media,
and we picked out uh, well, we picked out two people, didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
We Yeah, we picked out a couple of individuals. And
as we're going through the.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
List, because we looked at them, we looked at them
and then checked wild pistol waivers, so to speak. We
had to check the list twice. But one of them,
one of them popped out very distinctly. I remember, I said,
who's this one? And you pointed her out and I
said that one. I want her on that Yeah, I
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want her on that.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
One, Bill and I concurred, We, I mean, is unanimously
right there on the spot. Absolutely, we got to have
her with Clark on this inn.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And that was twelve years ago, yesterday, and uh, in fact,
let's bring her on right now. And I want to
introduce you the listeners to Gun Radio Utah. No apologies,
no doctor Casey Jane opotionin uh Casey.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Jane O yawn.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Hey, Hey, can you hear me? Okay, yes, we can
that you chose I am.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
We're going to be holding you over because we've just
got a couple of minutes left in this segment.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But I want to know you were there.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You took the class, you signed up to agree to
be interviewed by the media.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Why did you take the class in the first place.
Why did you? Were you a gun slinger before.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
To Well, no, I actually grew up kind of scared
of guns, anti gun if you will. We did not
have guns in my house. I've never been hunting. I
barely handled a gun from previous boyfriends who thought it
would be cool to show me what they can do
with their guns and so forth. But I really had
no experience with guns whatsoever. My mom actually texted me
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and said, Hey, there's this like self defense type class
that's going on this, you know, during your winter break.
I was a brand new teacher. I was in my
second year of teaching, and I thought about the teachers
in Connecticut, and I said, I can't just soak up
the bullets and hope that my children don't die. These
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are my kids, my responsibility, and I need to protect
them any way I can. So what does that look like?
What can I do?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Interesting?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So, Fran, So you're your Fran, as I know her,
my mom, My mom, Fran is the one that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Told you to come to this class. That's excellent.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I'm going to shout out to her and big thanks, yeah,
big thanks. All right, So, uh, Casey Jane We're gonna
have you. We're gonna have you stay over uh for
a little bit on the next segment. So stay tuned
more about this class and UH and guns in schools
and arming teachers, so to speak, when we come back
on Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Stay tuned Gun Radio Utah. There, I know apologies.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I am your host, Clark Oposen the other host in
the iHeart Studios, Bill Petterson, Director Utah Shooting Sports Council,
And we have on with us uh Casey doctor Casey Jane,
a potion and who was an attendee of this huge
concealed carry class back twelve years ago yesterday in response
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to the Sandy Hook shooting, the massacre that left twenty
little kids dead and six adults at.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The hands of a madman.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And Casey Jane, you had said that you weren't a
gun person, but you thought it might be a good
idea to get some training, maybe get a permit, because Utah,
especially in those days, was one of the very very
few states that one didn't disallow a person with a
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concealed carry permit to go into a school. And that
would include a teacher, a mom and dad, a principal, whoever,
and very few. In fact, even to this day, even
though it's gotten better, most states disaffirmatively disallow, they disarm
those folks from coming in. And but so what were
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your thoughts on that casey about would you actually carry
a gun in the school?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, that's a good question. When I took the class,
I was very hesitant on what I would do. I
really didn't know what I was gonna do. All I
knew is I was not gonna be a bullet sponge.
I was not gonna protect my kids hope for the
best and pray for.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Safety.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I needed answers, I needed an option. I needed something
better than just hoping they don't find my room. And
I came to the class with an open mind, saying
what can I do? And when I left the class,
I uh, one of your board member's fingerprinted me. One
of your board members took a picture of me. And
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I sent in all my paperwork and I did get
my concealed carry permit. I didn't have a gun at
the time, but I thought, this is my next step,
this is what I'm gonna do, and I'm gonna train
and I'm gonna prepare, and I'm gonna be more focused
on protecting my kids because they are with me up
to eight hours a day. I'm responsible for them. I'm
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responsible for their safety.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And you know, now you went on, you went in
the media.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I mean you went in international media ultimately, and I've
been on many of all the big broadcast shows, but
you went on with me the next morning on CNN.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And you talked about that. Your coworkers probably saw.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
That, right, Oh yeah, a lot of my coworkers, some
of my students, parents saw that. People started to pinpoint me.
The more I was in the media, the more I
was pinpointed. It was interesting because I got a lot
of different feedback. I got parents thanking me for protecting
their kids. I got co workers thanking me for protecting
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the school. But I also got coworkers who were anti gun,
who said, I won't carry a gun. I don't believe
in guns. But if stuff were to go down in
my school, I'm running to your classroom, and I would say,
you better make it quick because I'm shutting the door
and I'm locking it, so you better make it quick.
If you're coming in is.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Okay, wait a minute, okay, So you're going to be
if stuff went down, you would stay in your classroom.
You're not going to go roaming the halls getting the
bad guy, taking a.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Looking for the gunman. I am not trained like law enforcement.
I am not trained like our school safety officer. No way,
no how I would stick in my room. I would
get my kids behind my desk. I you know, after
your class I started looking at my classroom, and if
I had a big window, I would cover that window.
And if I had a window on my door, I'd
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cover that window on my door. And I positioned my
desk purposely away from the door so that my kids
could hide behind my desk and I could stand in
front of my desk and I could protect whoever was
coming in that door. And if it weren't law enforcement,
I would be shooting whoever's coming in my door, unless
it's law enforcement letting me know I'm shooting.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, you know, you did bring up a very good
point a moment ago. You said that you didn't know
what to do in a situation like that. And it's amazing,
Clerk that we have a lot of students to take
our conceial care class, and a lot of them are women,
And the number of women students that you know whether
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they're a teacher or whatever that they're taking a consil
care class. They're like, Yeah, I don't know what I'm
going to do with it in the long run, but
I want to at least have it now. So if
I decide one way or the other, if I decide
I'm going to carry out weapon, I at least have
the tools, and I've been trained and I've got the
lessons learned on that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So, and my point on this one is, like I thought,
I was in my car, I'm on the freeway. I'm
listening to all the back and forth on the lamenting
of how terrible this was, and it was, and I
thought in Utah they'd at least have that at least
be an opportunity that they that the murderer would get
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some return fire. I'm not saying it's absolute, but if
there was three or four or five or maybe more
people in that school, whether they be teachers or custodians
or who administration, they'd at least have that opportunity. But
in Connecticut, there was absolutely zero opportunity until the police arrived.
And they do arrive quickly, but in eight minutes that's
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just too long. It's turned long when you have somebody
that is that is killing people. And so when I
like to say they are the police in the fire
department and that they are the first responders, but in Utah,
the teachers, the staff, the administration, the faculty can be
the first engagers to this bad guy and well before
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law enforcement shows up. And it's kind of like they're
not acting like police any more than if there was
a fire and they grab a fire extinguisher that's handy
in the room, that they're firemen, or that they grab
a first aid kit. They're not pretending to be doctors either,
but they're there right then and there. And this is
different than so many states right now is that most
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states one flat out disallow the carrying of firearms and
schools under federal law, but the states individually can opt
if a person has a concealed carry permit to do that,
and then those states that do allow it have all
these disabilities built into it, like the district can prohibit it,
or the administration can prohibit it, or they'll only allow
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so many teachers to do it, and then they go
through some special special training.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
We've changed, though, and we've got a little bit of time.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I'll tell you there has been in Utah has responded
very well.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
The Utah legislature has responded.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
And I remember that she is now the House Majority
Whip Carryon Representative carry On Lizzenby, and she wrote the
she passed the bill that allowed eighteen year olds to
get a Now it doesn't mean they can carry in
K through twelve schools, but they can carry universities. And
then we've also had Representative Wilcox fantastic bill that has
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the school Guardian program. They're redesigning schools and when they
build new schools, they're taking this into account. Like in
Casey James's classroom had a huge window.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That the bad guy could just look into.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, and now they're designing him if they do have glass,
they have curtains, they have you know, and the doors
are locking there. So the design of the schools are changing,
and and even the policies and the procedures and that
type of stuff is slowly taking concealed carry by staff
and faculty into effect. I think that it has been
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an epiphany of classroom vulnerability that has changed this. And
finally they are saying, you know, evil is going to come.
Evil is going to make its way into school unfortunately,
and let's not just have you know, hopes and cares
and thoughts. Let's not disarm the teachers. So we're not
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arming them. We're just not disarming them. Okay, bill last
before we go to the next break.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, So our neighbors northeast of us, it took a
big bite out of our state, Wyoming. They are actually
running a bill Senate File thirty seven, which Senator Cooper represents,
Sleep have decided to run an enhance version of concealed
carry that will allow people teachers to carry on school districts.
(28:37):
And I'd love to maybe see if we can get
them on. We'll work to see if we can get
them on for next week, but to help us better
understand what they're trying to accomplish and maybe what they
can learn from Utah. So Casey, like always, thank you
so much for being on gun Radio Utah. Happy New
Year to you, and I'll see you next week and
(29:00):
we'll be there for the rest of us. You're listening
to gun Radio Utah and we'll be right back with
exciting last bit news here on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And that's our studio, our very small studio audience. They
gave you some props there, Bill.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Anyway, hey, before we leave, you know, we've come a
long way in Utah as well as in the nation
with regards to the thoughts about school safety and the
only reason to enhance safety at our schools to take
away some of the roadblocks for lawful self defense, whether
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it be in a school or elsewhere, and is if
we're serious about protecting our kids. But I remember back
twelve years ago, she was the chief lawyer for the
Utah Office of Education, Carol Lear, and she's not a
big fan of mine, not a big fan of Clark opotion.
And when questioned about what we were doing twelve years
(30:00):
ago and have every year since then and before uh,
she said that that teachers could be overpowered, and she
said it's a horrible, terrible, no good, rotten idea. So
so much for the perspicacity of Caro Lear, the chief
(30:21):
lawyer at the time. And I think she's still on
the state school board. But anyway, Bill, I mean, we've
come a long way, haven't we.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Oh my gosh, yeah. Absolutely. In fact, we're talking about
and even within our little group of two A advocates here,
you know what has changed this past year for gun
owners gun owners' rights, and and what do we have
to look forward to that might not you know, that
could be coming up against us. I think we're in
(30:51):
a very good position with the administration that's coming in
that's gonna look out for rights and make sure that
things are done in an orderly manner and have these
nearly willy laws created without going through the appropriate congressional
approach and just writing things up as interpretation off of
one individual. But I mean, look at FRTs.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Look for those who don't know forced reset triggers, which
the trigger still has to be pressed. It's not a
machine gun. Uh, the trigger still has to be pressed
for each shot. So it absolutely, technically, according to the law,
is not a machine gun. But the ATF came down
and then those are in play right now, so they
banned them, and now they're back in play due to
(31:34):
a court ruling. But it's not the end yet.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Sick braces, let's crystals, crystal braces, suppressors, Now this is
a good thing. Suppressors. The waiting periods substantially, I mean
night day, he set.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Of one year. Wait, we're down to a few days.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Wait, a few days yeah, bump stocks. You know what
have I been saying last years? You're never going to
get your bump stock back. I still owe you a
dinner and I plan on taking you out next week,
but of a place of my choice. I'pe you like McDonald's.
But yeah, bump stocks, I mean, I mean, holy cow.
(32:15):
I mean we're even seeing that word being used in
movies like they're a big assault, deadly weapon, and it's like, oh,
you got to be kidding me, and we and I've
had fun with it. I'd always say, yeah, I'm getting
a bump stock from my muzzleloader, so you know, I
can at least shoot with a semi automatic firearm.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
But we'll look at twenty nine states now with permitless curry,
yes or constitution curry permitless car twenty nine states.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And it's growing, it's growing. I think we're going to
see more of this next year as well. Self defense
laws they kind of changed, and we've seen all kinds
of things happening this year. In twenty twenty four, what
kind of turnaround? When will our government think that self
(33:00):
defense as a right versus a privilege? When will they
recognize that individuals have the right to self defense and
not throw these guys under buses for trying to protect
those around them and and others for you know, some
bad guy doing bad things.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I mean, well, you just mentioned I think you just mentioned.
Did you mention Wyoming getting rid of gun free zones
or was that a.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, we talked about that during the break. But I mean,
there are these two representatives Senator and Representative Senator Cooper
and Ted Sleep Tensleep, they're looking at repealing gun free zones.
It's like, what the hell is a gun free zone?
I mean, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
What a gun free zone like the subway? You know,
if a gun free zone doesn't have some kind of
ability to actually make sure that the law abiding and
the krimin would be criminal are prohibited. And they're using
a gun free zone like nothing more than like the
(34:06):
sensitive places in New York City just put up a
sign and it's a gun free zone.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well it's a gun free zone to you and me,
it's not a gun free zone.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
For goodness sakes, what idiot would think that, you know,
the criminal with criminal intent is going to obey a sign.
If that worked, why don't they just have do away
with all the metal detectors and magnetometers and that at
the airport and just put up a whole bunch of
maybe some big signs that say no guns allowed on
the airplane, and you know, we get through. We'd get
(34:37):
to our planes a lot faster that way if that
kind of logic worked, but obviously it doesn't. So we've
got that bill. What do you think about what's coming up?
You know, in the last four years, Biden administration has
been approving and appointing federal justices at a record pace.
And what we had in twenty sixteen was kind of
(34:59):
a a comeback during the Trump administration and getting some
of these uh these these replacing some of these federal
judges with good ones, and it's it's kind of slid back.
I fully anticipate that the Trump administration, starting this next
year or next month, will start to replace a lot
(35:20):
of those federal judges. And I don't know how many
things you're going to get to the Supreme Court, but
I'd rather stop them, nip them in the butt in
federal court.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Oh, save so much time and money, and maybe DOGE
can look into that and uh, you know, wipe out
some of those uh you know, those things that are
happening where where they can so to speak. Uh, but yeah,
I'm I'm really hoping this next year we do see
some more gun friendly bills, affirmative type stuff for getting
(35:54):
rid of the bad stuff exactly. And I hope that's
more of a prayer than anything, that they don't look
at gun owners as these hideous evil individuals and actually
look as like, hey, we have we have something to contribute,
we have a lot to say, and recognize us as
law abiding gun citizens instead of you know, the bad
(36:18):
guy all the time.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
So, but well, if this last election was was was
any precursor or any harbinger of things to happen. I
think that the people have spoken, and I think generally
speaking there they have an understanding that just playing gun
laws don't work. And I'm hoping that this administration will
(36:39):
continue what they did before, except for banning bump stocks.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Let's not do that again.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Let's not do that again.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
As they like to.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Say, it looks like we'll tune in again next year
and we'll see you next year.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah. Happy new year to you, Clark, and happy new
year to all of our listeners. We greatly appreciate you.
As we go into our ten and a half year
of doing this look forward.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
To we're number five in the nation for gun related
and it's thanks to you listeners, whether you're listening live
or podcast. We're number two in Utah for Utah legal
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Also, Jay, have a great weekend everyone, and we'll see
you next week
Welcome to gun Radio Utah. Sitting across roomy in Ghost
Eye Manor is Clerk the a post show.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't know we were on.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
We're on, dude, Yeah, well I didn't hear any music.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well Denny does the finger pointing. That means really on.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I did see. I did see. I did see Danny
doing the finger pointing. I just thought he was he
was playing air drums or something. Anyways, Welcome to gun
Radio Utah. There are no apologies, so I won't say
I'm sorry about that, and I am broadcasting life from
Ghost II Manor and beautiful. You went to County, the
very first Second Amendment sanctuary county in the state of Utah.
And we are co joined with the iHeart Studios in
(00:37):
downtown West Valley City, well West Valley City and Bill
Petterson he is hosting there from the big Boy chair.
I see and uh and fantastic. So we've got we've
got a heck of.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
A show for you.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let me tell you, let me tell you what we've got.
This has been a long time in the making. It
is the last show of twenty twenty four. So uh
so with that, we're gonna we're gonna be talking about, Hey,
what have we been through in the last year, and
some of the trends that have been happening in the
(01:12):
past year, maybe past two years, so on and so forth.
And I'd like to fourth segment maybe even maybe even
talk about what's gonna what's likely to come up, what
the trends are to coming up. In addition, we have
uh oh, we might talk about abolishing the ATF. I
don't know, maybe a little teeny bit about that, but
(01:36):
bigger than that, I want to talk about. This has
been a kind of a bitter sweet anniversary, very very
bitter in tragic, the anniversary this month, twelve years ago
Sandy Hook in Connecticut, where twenty kids were killed six
adults and as the shooter went into a place that
(02:01):
was unarmed, a place that was supposed to be a sanctuary,
you know, a place that you know, we'd often thought, Hey,
you know, malls and all that kind of stuff are
one thing, but you stay with stay the heck away
from our kids. And we're going to have We're going
to talk about that. And it was an anniversary of
(02:23):
Casey Jane doctor Casey Jane O potent in ours where
we met. We met actually twelve years ago at a
class that the Utah Shooting Sports Council put one in
response to Sandy Hook.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, it was our our annual Well wasn't our annual,
but it was our initial initial pilgrimage of our safe
to Teach, Safe to Learn initiative for school teachers.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean we had been teaching school teachers in media
and legislators and that, you know, once once a year,
and but this was You're right, this is when we
first brought out safe to Learn, Safe to Teach.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And this was the probably the most and we'll talk
about it in the next segment, but this is probably
the single largest event for Utah Shooting Sports Council, not
only with the participants that showed up at that class,
but the international, the local, national, and international recognition that
(03:27):
came in along with it. Huge flabber gas that teachers
are able and allowed with a permit to carry in
public schools.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And I see, and I like to say, and that
is accurate. That's accurate.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I like to kind of turn it around in that
teachers and regular folks in Utah, as long as they're
not otherwise prohibited, but regular folks can carry can carry
a gun pretty much everywhere with slight exception, and teachers
should be no different.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We didn't. We don't arm the teachers.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
We just don't disarm them, you know, so as soon
as they walked through the school door.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So anyway, we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
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(04:33):
open till five o'clock today. They're closed tomorrow, but they're
open all next week. And they truly are wholesale Ammo.
If you especially if you want to buy a lot
of Ammo cases palettes, you can go there and get
great deals. One thousand rounds of arms Core This is all.
This is not reloaded stuff. This is brand new factory stuff.
(04:53):
One thousand rounds of arm Core two two three for
four hundred and forty nine bucks.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
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Speaker 3 (04:59):
Case three away Winchester norma good Swedish company Casey, Jane's
gonna like that.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's a good Swedish company.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Their Tip Strike Ballistic Tip AMMA one hundred and seventy
grain two hundred rounds for two hundred and forty nine
dollars and last, but not least, nine mil federal thousand
rounds one hundred and fifteen grain nine mil for two
hundred and forty nine bucks. That works out to about
twenty five cents a round. Anyway. Oh the other thing,
(05:29):
Bill rather excited. You're going to be coming down next week, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, we're going to come out to thee. Yeah, as
soon as I get my permit and as soon as
the paperwork's all done. Yeah, we're going to head out
your head out your way. Wait a minute, you'r permit.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Permit?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, I'm coming from Salt Lake County. I got to
get a permit to leave.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Oh that's right. They will stop you at the border.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Are you into county, especially when they find out you're
in Salt Lakes from Salt Lake County. Yeah, you need
to put one of those little stickers on your car
and it'll get you through the roadblocks. Anyway, you're gonna
be out there to help me because you've already done it.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I have Salt Lake.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
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Com and just go to their website. If you've got
a room that you want to transform into a really
cool room, go to SLC Pallet Walls. You can do
it yourself or Dan can do it for you. And
(06:27):
it's a bit more expensive, but it's super cheap.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And can't wait.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
We've got a big necessities room that we're going to
do and Bill's gonna help me, because hee, Bill, you've
already done yours.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
In fact, I've got one of the rifles hanging Oh
it's not rifle, it's a shotgun hanging up on the wall,
my eighteen ninety seven beer lad fire yeap. And found
out I got my gun hooks from the same guy
you're getting yours from.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Oh yeah, hold up displays displays out of Wisconsin, Travis
out of out of Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Hold up.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
How yeah that was? But yeah, gorgeous and so yeah.
Go to Salt lakewer Walls dot com. Click on their
gallery and you can see all the different walls that
they've done. And one of the things I've noticed and
I've got to look into this some more. They got these,
you know, those old fashioned barn doors that are done
out of pallette walls as well too, and they're actually
(07:16):
pretty sharp looking.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So does Dan have those at SLC Pallet Walls. It's
SLC palate Walls dot com.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yep. I think you just get the the the barn
frame or make one. You can make one and then
just put assemble it all together. But yeah, gorgeous walls
that they've got there, son tell you.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And we're going to do this early because we've got
a we've got kind of a busy show, I think.
And so if you're gun and so, did you take
did you take your your your shotgun over to to
Sportsman's Warehouse?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I can't remember. You did all my work for me. Yeah,
get your gun.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West. If it needs anything done to it, stockwork,
machine work, your gun you just don't know what's wrong
with it. If you want to get the barrel threaded
for a flash hider, a suppressor, muffler, whatever you want
to call them, and any work that needs to be done,
especially Sarah Coting, engraving, rebluing, recoding, whatever. Get it over
(08:14):
to sixteen thirty South fifty seventy Western Salt Lake City,
give them a call it eight oh one three zero
four eighty seventy eight one three zero four eighty seventy
or if you're not close to it, take it to
any of the over one hundred and forty six Sportsmen's
Warehouse locations. There's got to be one near you and
tell them to get it to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Will be right back, So stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
No, it is me yours truly hey, and we are
so glad to have you with us here on Gunady
to Utah on this cloudy, rainy day. But you couldn't
have picked a better spot to be in. And if
you want to get informed or stay informed with some
upcoming legislation that we're going to be doing, check out
Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org and get signed up on
(08:57):
our email alert system. It's it costs you no money,
and we keep all that information confidential. Uh, no one
on the board even gets to see that information. But
at least you can be in the know and you
can see what's going on. We've got some great things happening.
And it's funny, Clark, my phone lights up on almost
on a daily basis with our Second Amendment group. These
(09:21):
are legislators, former legislators, current legislators and goof offs like
me and you that uh you know, are working on
discussions and what's happening around the country and here in
Utah for gun laws.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, they there were some good ones from from
former Representative Kurdoda and Mitch Vlos and Art and Corey
malloy and yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Now I got I gotta admit though, because it got
we got little sideways on the discussion. But I was
talking about my turkey hunt yesterday. I went down to
Utah County ut Pobblecrik. I invited on some property to
go shoot hunt some turkeys, and so I thought, what
a better time to go try out the sig sour
MCX semi automatic assault pellet gun and go get a turkey.
(10:12):
It's small, Oh my god. And let me tell you,
I did not bring enough gun for those birds. I
had fun trying, but that's all it was is trying.
So you saw some birds, oh, probably about four hundred
of them. Yeah, It was a real a lot of
birds and there, and it was funny. They're just single
one after another walking through this guy's backyard for about
(10:34):
twenty minutes straight until they cleared out, and then another
group would come through, and another group would come through.
It was actually pretty comical. But but we did get one,
and I will tell you and for you with no,
I didn't you got it with. One of my buddies
got one with his pellet gun. And he his pellet
gun was one of those mx is out of Utah
(10:56):
air Guns, out of Utah County with a twenty five
caliber pelic gun and he drilled it. And I'm like, okay,
enough said, time to go get a new pelic gun.
So not that the MCX is not a killing machine.
It's just pot guts. Yes, Turkeys no so, but if
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you want to round those things up.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Kangaroo ghost Di maners a little herding Australian shepherd loves
to heard turkeys, but I don't let her. I don't
let her get too close to him while she's hurting them,
because they've got some nasty talents, yeah don't.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm sure they could beat a little puppy up pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Anyway, Hey, we're talking about in first segment. We've got
to roll into this, but we're talking about a twelve
year anniversary about Sandy Hook And and you called me
up on the phone and said, Bill, I got this
great idea. What do you think about I got to
talk to the board members, but you said, why don't
we set up a concealed carry class for school teachers
(11:58):
during the Christmas break. It be a good time because
the teachers are out of school, and we had we
had to really run and jump on that to make
it happen. We did, it got unanimous support from the board,
and then we had to come up with it. And
as we were getting the word out, one of the
(12:19):
biggest problems we had was the response to this class.
It kept growing and growing and growing, and we were
going from one facility to another facility, and we ended
up out at the Mavericks Center out here in West Valley,
just right down the road from our studio, and and
we thought, Okay, this will be great, but then we
(12:41):
max that out and we had to turn teachers away.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That morning of that of the twenty seventh, yeah, which
was yesterday, twelve years ago, yesterday. Yeah, And you know, Bill,
I remember the phone call.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I was in my it was in my truck.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It was in my I think a Dodge Durra angle anyway,
And I remember calling saying, everybody on national news, on
local news is talking about what a tragedy this is,
and indeed it was, and they were just blaming guns.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Let's blame the gun. That's the whole reason. Was the gun.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And I'm thinking, no, actually, it might be part of
the answer, because what was what was common in all
these states, especially in Connecticut, teachers cannot legally carry a firearm,
even if they had a concealed carry permit. They are
disarmed even on the property, let alone inside the building.
And I said, we, Utah, with a concealed carry permit,
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you can carry teachers, custodians, librarians, administrators, moms and dads
can carry in those schools. Why can't this little state
of Utah three and a half million people talk about that,
export this idea that we haven't had a problem with.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And why can't we export this?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And I realized that teaching three hundred and four hundred
teachers was a drop in the bucket compared to what
is needed in the nation. But at least it got
the word out. And it did get the word out,
didn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh my gosh, I've never seen it. Was one thing
to accommodate for the teachers in that, but then we
had to accommodate also for the press. We had local press,
we had national press, we had CNN, we had all
your big carriers there, big outlets, and then we had
international outlets. We had them from Australia, we had them
(14:33):
from Japan, we had them from the UK, we had
them from all over the place. And they're all, you know,
congregating right there at the Mavericks Center. And I'll tell you,
I think I think some of our students, which are
are teachers and those that were attending the class, were
a little overwhelmed by it because if you had.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It came in their faces.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, and we respect the privacy of the of the teachers,
and so we had to coordinate and section off areas
where cameras could go and where cameras could not go.
And we got we got grief on that. We got
a photographer, one of our firearm handling instructors was there,
and God rest his soul, but you know, the cameras
(15:18):
looking right at the barrel of the guns. This teachers.
You know, I was like, dude, get away from behind
the gun.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I remember you and.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
The other bill and board members came up to me
and said, the CNN media pool wants to once the
list of all the teachers. And we had the list
of all the all the names of the teachers and
what school they represented in that but that's a private
list and in fact, by law, we can't give that out.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But they were just, oh, give us the list. We
want to interview these people. Well not all of.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Them, would be fantastic on be talking about this and anyway,
I remember saying, let's just pass a list around.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Either that or you said it, let's pass a list around.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And so I remember we passed around a little yellow legal,
you know, piece of paper and if they wanted and
if these educators wanted to be interviewed or didn't mind
if their name got out there.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Thought, okay now, and we intercepted that list from the media.
We got it before they got it, and I remember
you and our other board member going over the list,
all three of us before we handed it to the media,
and we picked out uh, well, we picked out two people, didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
We Yeah, we picked out a couple of individuals. And
as we're going through the.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
List, because we looked at them, we looked at them
and then checked wild pistol waivers, so to speak. We
had to check the list twice. But one of them,
one of them popped out very distinctly. I remember, I said,
who's this one? And you pointed her out and I
said that one. I want her on that Yeah, I
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want her on that.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
One, Bill and I concurred, We, I mean, is unanimously
right there on the spot. Absolutely, we got to have
her with Clark on this inn.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And that was twelve years ago, yesterday, and uh, in fact,
let's bring her on right now. And I want to
introduce you the listeners to Gun Radio Utah. No apologies,
no doctor Casey Jane opotionin uh Casey.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Jane O yawn.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Hey, Hey, can you hear me? Okay, yes, we can
that you chose I am.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
We're going to be holding you over because we've just
got a couple of minutes left in this segment.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But I want to know you were there.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You took the class, you signed up to agree to
be interviewed by the media.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Why did you take the class in the first place.
Why did you? Were you a gun slinger before.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
To Well, no, I actually grew up kind of scared
of guns, anti gun if you will. We did not
have guns in my house. I've never been hunting. I
barely handled a gun from previous boyfriends who thought it
would be cool to show me what they can do
with their guns and so forth. But I really had
no experience with guns whatsoever. My mom actually texted me
(18:32):
and said, Hey, there's this like self defense type class
that's going on this, you know, during your winter break.
I was a brand new teacher. I was in my
second year of teaching, and I thought about the teachers
in Connecticut, and I said, I can't just soak up
the bullets and hope that my children don't die. These
(18:54):
are my kids, my responsibility, and I need to protect
them any way I can. So what does that look like?
What can I do?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Interesting?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So, Fran, So you're your Fran, as I know her,
my mom, My mom, Fran is the one that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Told you to come to this class. That's excellent.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, I'm going to shout out to her and big thanks, yeah,
big thanks. All right, So, uh, Casey Jane We're gonna
have you. We're gonna have you stay over uh for
a little bit on the next segment. So stay tuned
more about this class and UH and guns in schools
and arming teachers, so to speak, when we come back
on Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Stay tuned Gun Radio Utah. There, I know apologies.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I am your host, Clark Oposen the other host in
the iHeart Studios, Bill Petterson, Director Utah Shooting Sports Council,
And we have on with us uh Casey doctor Casey Jane,
a potion and who was an attendee of this huge
concealed carry class back twelve years ago yesterday in response
(20:00):
to the Sandy Hook shooting, the massacre that left twenty
little kids dead and six adults at.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The hands of a madman.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And Casey Jane, you had said that you weren't a
gun person, but you thought it might be a good
idea to get some training, maybe get a permit, because Utah,
especially in those days, was one of the very very
few states that one didn't disallow a person with a
(20:28):
concealed carry permit to go into a school. And that
would include a teacher, a mom and dad, a principal, whoever,
and very few. In fact, even to this day, even
though it's gotten better, most states disaffirmatively disallow, they disarm
those folks from coming in. And but so what were
(20:51):
your thoughts on that casey about would you actually carry
a gun in the school?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, that's a good question. When I took the class,
I was very hesitant on what I would do. I
really didn't know what I was gonna do. All I
knew is I was not gonna be a bullet sponge.
I was not gonna protect my kids hope for the
best and pray for.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Safety.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I needed answers, I needed an option. I needed something
better than just hoping they don't find my room. And
I came to the class with an open mind, saying
what can I do? And when I left the class,
I uh, one of your board member's fingerprinted me. One
of your board members took a picture of me. And
(21:37):
I sent in all my paperwork and I did get
my concealed carry permit. I didn't have a gun at
the time, but I thought, this is my next step,
this is what I'm gonna do, and I'm gonna train
and I'm gonna prepare, and I'm gonna be more focused
on protecting my kids because they are with me up
to eight hours a day. I'm responsible for them. I'm
(21:58):
responsible for their safety.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And you know, now you went on, you went in
the media.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I mean you went in international media ultimately, and I've
been on many of all the big broadcast shows, but
you went on with me the next morning on CNN.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And you talked about that. Your coworkers probably saw.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
That, right, Oh yeah, a lot of my coworkers, some
of my students, parents saw that. People started to pinpoint me.
The more I was in the media, the more I
was pinpointed. It was interesting because I got a lot
of different feedback. I got parents thanking me for protecting
their kids. I got co workers thanking me for protecting
(22:39):
the school. But I also got coworkers who were anti gun,
who said, I won't carry a gun. I don't believe
in guns. But if stuff were to go down in
my school, I'm running to your classroom, and I would say,
you better make it quick because I'm shutting the door
and I'm locking it, so you better make it quick.
If you're coming in is.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Okay, wait a minute, okay, So you're going to be
if stuff went down, you would stay in your classroom.
You're not going to go roaming the halls getting the
bad guy, taking a.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Looking for the gunman. I am not trained like law enforcement.
I am not trained like our school safety officer. No way,
no how I would stick in my room. I would
get my kids behind my desk. I you know, after
your class I started looking at my classroom, and if
I had a big window, I would cover that window.
And if I had a window on my door, I'd
(23:30):
cover that window on my door. And I positioned my
desk purposely away from the door so that my kids
could hide behind my desk and I could stand in
front of my desk and I could protect whoever was
coming in that door. And if it weren't law enforcement,
I would be shooting whoever's coming in my door, unless
it's law enforcement letting me know I'm shooting.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, you know, you did bring up a very good
point a moment ago. You said that you didn't know
what to do in a situation like that. And it's amazing,
Clerk that we have a lot of students to take
our conceial care class, and a lot of them are women,
And the number of women students that you know whether
(24:12):
they're a teacher or whatever that they're taking a consil
care class. They're like, Yeah, I don't know what I'm
going to do with it in the long run, but
I want to at least have it now. So if
I decide one way or the other, if I decide
I'm going to carry out weapon, I at least have
the tools, and I've been trained and I've got the
lessons learned on that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So, and my point on this one is, like I thought,
I was in my car, I'm on the freeway. I'm
listening to all the back and forth on the lamenting
of how terrible this was, and it was, and I
thought in Utah they'd at least have that at least
be an opportunity that they that the murderer would get
(24:54):
some return fire. I'm not saying it's absolute, but if
there was three or four or five or maybe more
people in that school, whether they be teachers or custodians
or who administration, they'd at least have that opportunity. But
in Connecticut, there was absolutely zero opportunity until the police arrived.
And they do arrive quickly, but in eight minutes that's
(25:19):
just too long. It's turned long when you have somebody
that is that is killing people. And so when I
like to say they are the police in the fire
department and that they are the first responders, but in Utah,
the teachers, the staff, the administration, the faculty can be
the first engagers to this bad guy and well before
(25:45):
law enforcement shows up. And it's kind of like they're
not acting like police any more than if there was
a fire and they grab a fire extinguisher that's handy
in the room, that they're firemen, or that they grab
a first aid kit. They're not pretending to be doctors either,
but they're there right then and there. And this is
different than so many states right now is that most
(26:08):
states one flat out disallow the carrying of firearms and
schools under federal law, but the states individually can opt
if a person has a concealed carry permit to do that,
and then those states that do allow it have all
these disabilities built into it, like the district can prohibit it,
or the administration can prohibit it, or they'll only allow
(26:32):
so many teachers to do it, and then they go
through some special special training.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
We've changed, though, and we've got a little bit of time.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I'll tell you there has been in Utah has responded
very well.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
The Utah legislature has responded.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
And I remember that she is now the House Majority
Whip Carryon Representative carry On Lizzenby, and she wrote the
she passed the bill that allowed eighteen year olds to
get a Now it doesn't mean they can carry in
K through twelve schools, but they can carry universities. And
then we've also had Representative Wilcox fantastic bill that has
(27:10):
the school Guardian program. They're redesigning schools and when they
build new schools, they're taking this into account. Like in
Casey James's classroom had a huge window.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That the bad guy could just look into.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, and now they're designing him if they do have glass,
they have curtains, they have you know, and the doors
are locking there. So the design of the schools are changing,
and and even the policies and the procedures and that
type of stuff is slowly taking concealed carry by staff
and faculty into effect. I think that it has been
(27:47):
an epiphany of classroom vulnerability that has changed this. And
finally they are saying, you know, evil is going to come.
Evil is going to make its way into school unfortunately,
and let's not just have you know, hopes and cares
and thoughts. Let's not disarm the teachers. So we're not
(28:11):
arming them. We're just not disarming them. Okay, bill last
before we go to the next break.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, So our neighbors northeast of us, it took a
big bite out of our state, Wyoming. They are actually
running a bill Senate File thirty seven, which Senator Cooper represents,
Sleep have decided to run an enhance version of concealed
carry that will allow people teachers to carry on school districts.
(28:37):
And I'd love to maybe see if we can get
them on. We'll work to see if we can get
them on for next week, but to help us better
understand what they're trying to accomplish and maybe what they
can learn from Utah. So Casey, like always, thank you
so much for being on gun Radio Utah. Happy New
Year to you, and I'll see you next week and
(29:00):
we'll be there for the rest of us. You're listening
to gun Radio Utah and we'll be right back with
exciting last bit news here on gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And that's our studio, our very small studio audience. They
gave you some props there, Bill.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Anyway, hey, before we leave, you know, we've come a
long way in Utah as well as in the nation
with regards to the thoughts about school safety and the
only reason to enhance safety at our schools to take
away some of the roadblocks for lawful self defense, whether
(29:37):
it be in a school or elsewhere, and is if
we're serious about protecting our kids. But I remember back
twelve years ago, she was the chief lawyer for the
Utah Office of Education, Carol Lear, and she's not a
big fan of mine, not a big fan of Clark opotion.
And when questioned about what we were doing twelve years
(30:00):
ago and have every year since then and before uh,
she said that that teachers could be overpowered, and she
said it's a horrible, terrible, no good, rotten idea. So
so much for the perspicacity of Caro Lear, the chief
(30:21):
lawyer at the time. And I think she's still on
the state school board. But anyway, Bill, I mean, we've
come a long way, haven't we.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Oh my gosh, yeah. Absolutely. In fact, we're talking about
and even within our little group of two A advocates here,
you know what has changed this past year for gun
owners gun owners' rights, and and what do we have
to look forward to that might not you know, that
could be coming up against us. I think we're in
(30:51):
a very good position with the administration that's coming in
that's gonna look out for rights and make sure that
things are done in an orderly manner and have these
nearly willy laws created without going through the appropriate congressional
approach and just writing things up as interpretation off of
one individual. But I mean, look at FRTs.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Look for those who don't know forced reset triggers, which
the trigger still has to be pressed. It's not a
machine gun. Uh, the trigger still has to be pressed
for each shot. So it absolutely, technically, according to the law,
is not a machine gun. But the ATF came down
and then those are in play right now, so they
banned them, and now they're back in play due to
(31:34):
a court ruling. But it's not the end yet.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Sick braces, let's crystals, crystal braces, suppressors, Now this is
a good thing. Suppressors. The waiting periods substantially, I mean
night day, he set.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Of one year. Wait, we're down to a few days.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Wait, a few days yeah, bump stocks. You know what
have I been saying last years? You're never going to
get your bump stock back. I still owe you a
dinner and I plan on taking you out next week,
but of a place of my choice. I'pe you like McDonald's.
But yeah, bump stocks, I mean, I mean, holy cow.
(32:15):
I mean we're even seeing that word being used in
movies like they're a big assault, deadly weapon, and it's like, oh,
you got to be kidding me, and we and I've
had fun with it. I'd always say, yeah, I'm getting
a bump stock from my muzzleloader, so you know, I
can at least shoot with a semi automatic firearm.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
But we'll look at twenty nine states now with permitless curry,
yes or constitution curry permitless car twenty nine states.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And it's growing, it's growing. I think we're going to
see more of this next year as well. Self defense
laws they kind of changed, and we've seen all kinds
of things happening this year. In twenty twenty four, what
kind of turnaround? When will our government think that self
(33:00):
defense as a right versus a privilege? When will they
recognize that individuals have the right to self defense and
not throw these guys under buses for trying to protect
those around them and and others for you know, some
bad guy doing bad things.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I mean, well, you just mentioned I think you just mentioned.
Did you mention Wyoming getting rid of gun free zones
or was that a.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, we talked about that during the break. But I mean,
there are these two representatives Senator and Representative Senator Cooper
and Ted Sleep Tensleep, they're looking at repealing gun free zones.
It's like, what the hell is a gun free zone?
I mean, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
What a gun free zone like the subway? You know,
if a gun free zone doesn't have some kind of
ability to actually make sure that the law abiding and
the krimin would be criminal are prohibited. And they're using
a gun free zone like nothing more than like the
(34:06):
sensitive places in New York City just put up a
sign and it's a gun free zone.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well it's a gun free zone to you and me,
it's not a gun free zone.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
For goodness sakes, what idiot would think that, you know,
the criminal with criminal intent is going to obey a sign.
If that worked, why don't they just have do away
with all the metal detectors and magnetometers and that at
the airport and just put up a whole bunch of
maybe some big signs that say no guns allowed on
the airplane, and you know, we get through. We'd get
(34:37):
to our planes a lot faster that way if that
kind of logic worked, but obviously it doesn't. So we've
got that bill. What do you think about what's coming up?
You know, in the last four years, Biden administration has
been approving and appointing federal justices at a record pace.
And what we had in twenty sixteen was kind of
(34:59):
a a comeback during the Trump administration and getting some
of these uh these these replacing some of these federal
judges with good ones, and it's it's kind of slid back.
I fully anticipate that the Trump administration, starting this next
year or next month, will start to replace a lot
(35:20):
of those federal judges. And I don't know how many
things you're going to get to the Supreme Court, but
I'd rather stop them, nip them in the butt in
federal court.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Oh, save so much time and money, and maybe DOGE
can look into that and uh, you know, wipe out
some of those uh you know, those things that are
happening where where they can so to speak. Uh, but yeah,
I'm I'm really hoping this next year we do see
some more gun friendly bills, affirmative type stuff for getting
(35:54):
rid of the bad stuff exactly. And I hope that's
more of a prayer than anything, that they don't look
at gun owners as these hideous evil individuals and actually
look as like, hey, we have we have something to contribute,
we have a lot to say, and recognize us as
law abiding gun citizens instead of you know, the bad
(36:18):
guy all the time.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
So, but well, if this last election was was was
any precursor or any harbinger of things to happen. I
think that the people have spoken, and I think generally
speaking there they have an understanding that just playing gun
laws don't work. And I'm hoping that this administration will
(36:39):
continue what they did before, except for banning bump stocks.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Let's not do that again.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Let's not do that again.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
As they like to.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Say, it looks like we'll tune in again next year
and we'll see you next year.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah. Happy new year to you, Clark, and happy new
year to all of our listeners. We greatly appreciate you.
As we go into our ten and a half year
of doing this look forward.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
To we're number five in the nation for gun related
and it's thanks to you listeners, whether you're listening live
or podcast. We're number two in Utah for Utah legal
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Also, Jay, have a great weekend everyone, and we'll see
you next week
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