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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Gun Radio, Utah. We're very glad that you're
joining us, either live or on podcast, which we get
a lot of. We are number I think we're number
six right now in the nation, so after after today's
broadcast will be number two, just behind our good friend
Tom Gresham, who you can hear on the same station. Anyway, Bill,
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we've got a lot, We've got a lot to talk about.
We've got a.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Couple Yeah, as Margaret or as as Margaret would say,
we have so much to cover. And my Clark, I'll
make sure I do not shut your microphone off.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Thank you for not Yeah, please, do you do have
the power to shut off?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I thought that was so funny watching the debate this week,
how scripted and so mannequin?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Is that the right?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'll tell you what. You can go ahead and fact
check me if you want, but I'm going to fact
check your fact checks.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Okay, So anyway I.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Did some fact checking today. Anyway. Uh so, yeah, we
are going to talk about that. We've got a couple interviews,
a really great one with Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership
and Chuck Michelle with the California Rifle and Pistol Association.
That's a big deal. Chuck is a big deal, and
I'm very pleased that he joined us. And so this
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is kind of a tag along from last week's live
from Gun Rights Policy Conference, which we couldn't get those
two on there immediately anyway, So that's going to be
second and third segments. So I want to talk about
a couple of things other than that. I want to
talk about There was a home invasion. Well we'll call
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it an attempt at home invasion. There was an invasion.
We have an invasion across our southern border, not so
much on our northern border. But yeah, and it's not
just well anyway, I don't know if you heard about it.
I know Rod Arquette and Greg Hughes talked about it
on their show, which you can listen every Monday through
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Friday four to seven on the same station KNRS. But
about a Venezuelan who was caught trying to break in
at seven and seven thirty in the morning and in
a home, residential home in Kysville where a mom and
her kids were getting ready to go to school. And anyway,
so we're going to talk about that, talk about what
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you can do and to a bigger issue we've got
a This is kind of related. We've been hearing word
from law enforcement, especially state law enforcement and Department of
Public Safety that some of the firearms that are being well,
I don't know the percentage, but apparently it's enough to
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make you go hmm, that the firearms being recovered from
these illegals, and I'm going to go ahead and use
the term illegal undocument whatever are coming from online sites. Now,
these are not online sites that you can act rually
buy the gun online from and have it you know,
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I guess maybe you could, but you'd still have to
have it shipped to a gun dealer an FFL. But
these are basically sites that help facilitate the transfer, the
otherwise lawful possession or lawful transfer rather of a firearm.
Here in Utah, which is private transfers are perfectly legal,
and there are laws that govern private transfers. One, you know,
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if you're not going through an FFL, you have to
make sure that the person is at least eighteen if
they're buying a handgun, and well actually eighteen for buying
a handgun or a rifle or shotgun, and they have
to be a resident of the state. You have to
not have information that they're going to commit a crime
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and you know, things like this that they're not otherwise prohibited.
Now you don't have you don't have to do the
back ground check, but there is we have. The Utah
has been over backwards. The Republicans in the state legislature
have been over backwards to help facilitate some of these
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transfers build in which we've worked with BCI and made
state law that you can go to the BCI dot
Utah dot gov website if you're buying or selling a gun,
and especially if you're selling a gun and find out, hey,
is this person I'm selling to? Are they prohibited? Kind
of a cya kind of a thing, and you can
plug in their information. It's voluntary on both sides. And
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the person selling the gun doesn't get actual information about
you know, what did this person do or you know
what kind of crime did they commit? A blah blah.
It just has a proceed or maybe not proceed kind
of a thing, kind of a question. Now you can
still go ahead and sell that firearm. But anyway, so
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we have done that. We didn't weren't really required to
do that, and nor did any of the hand ringing
bedwetters come up with that idea, they come up with
they just want universal background checks, which is essentially universal registration,
and so they so we have done that, and by
all accounts, I haven't heard any problems with that system
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that we're doing, and so we offered that we sent
out that all a branch. But right now they're saying
a lot of these guns are coming from these online sources.
And I've also heard I was just talking to the
House Majority Whip that there are apparently people that are
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buying a bunch of these guns and then up selling them.
Two people that perhaps, and I'm just going to throw
it out there, perhaps are not legally allowed.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
When you yeah, and when you say up selling, clerk,
explain that to our audience what up selling means?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They're being a broker, if you will. I mean, that's
a nice term. They're They're legal to buy the gun
in every respect except for are they buying it for
someone else? Right and to give to somebody else, and
that would be a crime. There's already And so my
part on this is we don't need more restrictions. We
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have existing laws that already make it illegal to do
these kind of things. So I'm stuck back with, Hey,
it sounds like an enforcement problem to me. And then
I go a step further, Bill, and I think you
do too, and I think the House Majority Whip does
as well. Why are these folks that are not allowed
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to have firearms in the United States in the first place?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, exactly, it's like the home.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Invasion, you know that, the attempt at home invasion. Just
by sheer luck, this woman didn't have her home invaded
while she was on which is the scariest of scarity.
We're not talking about, you know, a burglary while you're
gone on vacation. This is seven in the morning, when
people are home and somebody with a baseball bat is
trying to break in. So it would be kind of
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like saying, well, and they're saying, well, you just shouldn't
sell you shouldn't sell to guns to anybody, you know. Well,
that's basically like saying you're to blame for the home
invasion because you had your house out there.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You shouldn't have a house out there. Then, exactly, don't
put your house out there.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, you know, otherwise legally allowed to have your home
and be in it, but you shouldn't have done that
because and if you hadn't had that, then the person
wouldn't be there with a baseball bat. All right. So
I now we know, and President Trump has said this before,
and I think JD. Vance said it in the debate,
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that the Biden Harris administration has all sorts of Is
that right? Okay? The Biden Harris administration has all sorts
of these different methods for coming into the United States.
Technically legally, then, I guess, but it certainly isn't the
legal way that we think of. They're waving their magic
wand of you know, acceptance into the United States. And
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these are the people that are coming in that are rapists,
that are murderers, that are otherwise that the Colombians, the Venezuelans,
the Hondurans, apparently the Somalians, to the government there are
clearing out their prisons with the condition that you have
to leave that country. And where do they come to?
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The United States? Is where they come because apparently it's
a lot harder to get into Mexico than it is
to get into the United States. Isn't that? All right?
We're telling me what do we got? We got thirty?
We got ten? Okay? All right? So when we come back,
we're going to have We're going to have a couple interviews,
but I want to revisit this bill. Maybe in fourth segment,
we're gonna have a couple of great interviews from Gun
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Rights Policy Conference, and so stay tuned and we'll be
right back. Welcome back to Gun Radio Utah. I'm ste
your host Clark Opotion Bill Bill Petterson sitting logistically, I
guess ethereally across from me and I am joined right
here live by at gRPC Gun Rights Policy Conference with you.
(09:19):
You're quite the headliner. Chuck Michelle with California Rifle and
Pistol Associations. Hey, hi to Gun Radio Utah listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Pleasure to be here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So I heard your comments, it was enthralled about how
hugely important CRPA is and what they're doing. I think
all gun rights organizations could really take a clue from
you folks you have. I mean, roughly, how many lawsuits
do you have going on just in California?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
About a dozen, I would say right now, on pretty
much every topic. And luckily this year the legislature didn't
pass anything as egregious as it as a in previous years.
So there's one law that's going to go into effect
that will probably challenge where they it's locked storage. It's
a bit a bit too extreme, but usually we get
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three or four bad laws out of a legislative session,
and we have to file three or four lawsuits to
challenge them all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean, pretty much, California is really you know, and
I can say this coming from California myself. California is
really the genesis of all the bad gun laws, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I call it the moldy Petri dish. It's it's sort
of a laboratory for bad gun laws. But California isn't
really leading that effort anymore. I think the every Town
Law at Bloomberg's organization and the millions of dollars that
he pumps into it, they're spoon feeding model legislation to
all the battleground states California, Illinois, you know, the other
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blue states, and trying and trying to get them to
overwhelm us with so many laws that all between all
the pro gun owner organizations, we can't keep up with
the lawsuits to challenge them all.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So I've been told either it was in your talk
or another talk that literally Kamala Harris's little group at
the White House is literally using taxpayer money to train legislators.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, and that's another law that passed this year is
the Gun Violence Prevention Center that the state of California
is going to now fund, and they've been directed to
work with gun violence prevention groups, which means Brady and
Bloomberg and all the gun band lobby. So that's another
thing that the gun band lobby is doing and orchestrating
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at the federal level and in states across the country
to come up with these Basically, they're going to crank
out junk science that justifies gun control laws when the
real science doesn't justify any gun control law exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay, Now there's been because a lot of our listeners
are either from California or they visit California. There's a
lot of links, I mean, including myself and even my
co host Bill. We're interested in concealed curry permits now
that Bruin has demanded, essentially that states that previously did
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not issue to non residence and barely issued to their
own residence in some cases, that's changed in California. What's
the progress on that right now?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Well after Bruin came down there was about two hundred
and fifty thousand ccws in the state of California, and
there's about five hundred a little over five hundred now
the best of my knowledge of the latest figures. Now
we want it to be five million, and the only
way that's going to happen is if we simplify the process.
So I call it the Blue resistance. You know, the
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progressives have done everything they can to frustrate the ability
to get a CCW.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now that they have to give.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Them out, you can't require some kind of a special
need like they used to use just to frustrate people
from being able to get one. So now they're raising
the fees, they're increasing the delay, making you train more,
getting a psychological evaluation, all these things. It's all designed
to be roadblocks in the way of getting that CCW.
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So we have a lawsuit now that's challenging some of
those things to try and make the process easier.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So, and I've heard tell that basically the judge in
that case has acknowledged that they have to start issuing,
but now is working with the different sheriff's offices to
logistically work this out. Is that true?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Well, actually, the CRBA is working with a different sheriff's office.
We have a very good relationship with most county sheriffs,
and we work with law enforcement all the time. They
are for the most part, they are pro Second Amendment,
so they've seen the light on that. But there are
some can imagine it's like the DMV. I mean, you're
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issuing licenses. It's a big administrative operation and that's not
really what law enforcement is set up to. Do you
know that this is a permitting process that would typically
go under an administrative agency. But now what we're looking
at the good side of this is that non residents
being able to get ccw's in California needs to be
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streamlined in the statute. So we're looking at support from
the Sheriff's Association to revise the CCW statute and do
things like turn the two year term of a license
into a five year term and make it easier to
get a permit, streamline that process and bring the costs down.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Okay, so chuck with Bruin passing, why is it that
you still have so many lawsuits though in California? I mean,
are they just thumbing their nose at Bruin.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yes, that's the short answer. Yes, the courts, some of
the judges on the Ninth Circuit are and there's a
huge split, very contentious split in the Ninth Circuit between
the more conservative justices and the more progressive justices over
the Second what should be protected by the Second Amendment,
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And so they are really some of those justices that
are some of those judges that are bending over backwards
intellectually to come up with ways to get around or
limit the Brewing Decision so that it doesn't apply as
as broadly as it really is supposed to if it
was applied faithfully.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
How can people find out more about CRPA?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Go to CRPA dot org even if you can't join,
if you don't have the money to join, and it's
you know, it's not very much, but we appreciate your membership.
But sign up and get our emails so that you
know what's going on in the state of California, because
it really is sort of the incubator for bad gun
controls and if you see it happening out here, it's
probably coming soon to a state near you or a
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locality near you. So help us stop things out here
so you don't have to deal with them when there,
when they're coming into your backyard.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Fantastic. I want to thank you for being on Gun
Radio Utah. That's Chuck Michelle, California Rifle and Pistol Association.
So stay tuned. We'll be right back on Gun Radio Utah.
Welcome back to Gun Radio Utah. We are live but
pre recorded from Gun Rights Policy Conference and beautiful San Diego, California.
I'm joined by Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership. I want
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to make sure I get that right, Doctor Sean Brodell. Yes, Sean,
say hi to Gun Radio Utah listeners.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Hello, Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
All right, and so doctor, I've asked you because you've
you've got a booth out here at gRPC, and I
happen to be I've heard of your group like many
people have. And because it's it's kind of an anomaly,
if you will, for doctors and guns to be kind
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of together, can you explain what DRGO is?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
So, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership is a nationwide advocacy
and watchdog group of physicians and other health professionals, and
we include any health professional in that and we really
want to educate health professionals and the public and teach
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what the science actually shows, and the science shows that
guns in responsible hands saves lives, reduce injuries, and protects
properties by preventing violent crime.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So we are obviously with that, What does responsible in
the doctors for responsible gun ownership actually mean? Because you
can understand sometimes, you know, the anti gunners, I'm not
putting you in that room. The anti gunners like, oh, well,
we just want responsible gun laws or responsible laws.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Sure, sure, but we also understand that that we don't
want to let the other side, the anti gunners, steal
our vocabulary, and we all want to be responsible with
our firearms, responsible around our children, responsible in public. And
so we take that and still use it despite the
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fact that the anti gunners use it in a not
so accurate way.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So how do how does me as just a consumer
I guess of medical care? How do I how do
I know what my doctor is thinking? What I mean,
if they're going to be pushing anti gun messages. Maybe
maybe I'm not even in there. Maybe it's my kids,
if you know, if it's a family practice or something.
How how do we how do we deal with that?
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So first things are what do you see?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Does your doctor seem to respect the right of you
to keep guns. Do they try to lean you away
from having guns? Do you see anti gun posters and
things like that in their offices or they fairly neutral
or non political in their practice, as they should be.
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And the last thing is, is your doctor familiar with
the gun unsafety programs like Eddie Ego from the NRA,
the nssf's Project Child Safe and other real child safe
and child education programs that are helping our childs grow
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up with guns.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And so, and I agree, I mean that rings true.
So one of the things that's really got me is, yes,
I have a scene and been around doctors that have
given gun advice, even though they are not necessarily experts.
Let I mean, they don't even have a secondhand knowledge
of firearms, let alone experts. Yet they seem to be
giving me gun advice right right.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And the anti gun, the anti gun people out there,
are are pushing more and more to have doctors give
you that advice or even trying to make gun violence
teaching out there and gun violence programs for anti gun people.
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And so unfortunately, more of that, when they really don't
know about guns, is going to be coming our way.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, And so the Uh now I can't remember her
same who's that doctor for the for the government the
uh uh Biden? No, no, Murphy, yes, yes, didn't. He
came out and he has reiterated something that was said
before that gun violence is a epidemic and he used
a medical term in that.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Way, right, and we we we fight against that that
gun violence is not a epidemic. It is not a
medical problem. And just the fact that they use the
word gun violence shows that they put the wrong emphasis.
They put the emphasis on the gun and not emphasis
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on the person who is misusing the gun.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well said, Well said, how how can we how, I mean,
how can we find out if a doctor is you know,
going to respect our privacy rights and our rights of firearms.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
That that's really difficult, and going on the questions that
I said before. But what we can do, uh here
at d r g O, we have a service called
two a doc so at to ADC dot com. You
can look there and put your information in and we
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can try to make a referral to a doctor that's
gun friendly in your area and the specialty that you need.
And also, you guys out there, if your doctor is
gun friendly, encourage them to sign up for two a
doc so that others can find gun friendly docs and
those who will respect your rights.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No fantastic, doctor Brodelle. Thank you so much for being
on gun Radio UTA. I appreciate this and uh and
I'm going to head to that website now, thank you,
Thanks very much, Clark, all right, and then we come back.
We've got much more to go on gun radio, Utah.
Stay tuned and welcome back to gun Radio. So glad
to have you with us on this lovely Saturday afternoon. Now,
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Clark and I are kind of pre recording this show
because we're actually up in the hills elk hunting on
this opening elk hunting rifle hunting day.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And uh, it's gonna be kind of fun. Clark for
spike bowl, right for spike bowl. Yeah, so spiky, I'll
point those out for you.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Would you point those out to me?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Point those out to you. But the big thing we're
going to go after too is grouse, blue grouse. We're
gonna have some mountain chickens for lunch.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay. So my question to you Bill, okay, since since
you told me to bring my judge yes with four
to ten number nine shot, is if we're shooting grouse
while we're elk hunting, isn't that going to scare the
elk away?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, it's usually when we're walking back to camp or
driving along the roads or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So we're shooting out the car.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, we're not gonna shoot out of the car, but
maybe on the hick.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Because I think that's it. Even I know that's I
don't know a lot about the hunting. I know a
lot about all the other gun stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
But oh, it's very different for hunters. Yeah, those rules
are those laws. Yeah, some of these guys, you go.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, so because and let me just admit, you know,
a lot of folks think I'm a great white hunter.
I'm not. And Bill is actually going to take me
under his wing. Yeah, and uh and and kind of.
I grew up in the Bay Area, California, in the
San Francisco Bay Area. Not a lot of deer there.
There's some white tail deer that I think cang is
bigger than them. Anyway, so I had to find out, Hey,
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can I can I actually hunt with a with a
three O eight and ar ten? And can I have
my my thirtieth round magazine, my twenty round magazine on there,
and you know how much orange do I have to wear?
So I had to find out all these things. And
it was easy to find out, but I wanted to
make sure because I always heard about magazine capacity and
this kind of stuff. So I went onto the rags.
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I went to title twenty three of Utah Code. I
went to the administrative rules and I looked, and I looked.
I couldn't find anything. So I called up DWR. I
was twenty three minutes on hold with them today, twenty
three minutes on hold. They instantly answered the phone and
said can you hold and then for twenty three minutes,
and so I said, hey, can I hunt with a
semi auto rifle? And you know, I know all you
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folks out there are saying the clark. You know, I
wanted to make sure because they will hang me out
to dry if I anyway. So they said, they said, well,
I don't think, so let me check. So she spent
she spent a little bit of time checking, and so
she came up and she says, no, here it is.
You cannot hunt with a fully automatic rifle. And I said,
I said semi autom And she says, oh, did you
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say semi I said, yeah, I said, and and so anyways, Bill,
we won't be taking the the M nineteen nineteen belt.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Bet so if you see us out there and you
see a guy with an arm out, it's Clark.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And then I wanted to make sure can I hunt
with a AM I restrict did on the magazine capacity,
And so I called A I called and she gave
me a name for an officer, so I called him.
He immediately answered, and he said, Yep, you can hunt
with a semiato. You can hunt with a with any
sized magazine you want, and there's no restriction on the
number of rounds that you have in that magazine.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So okay, But instead of your vest, your tactical vest, yeah,
you will be wearing a hunter's orange vest. So you're
not gonna be mag stacked.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I hope you. You better not be mag stacked.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
No, I'm gonna be magazine. Now I'm going out there.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm I'm just trying to set the picture for our radio.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I'm gonna have a cross cross bandoleros of seven to
six two m anyway, so really really happy to be
going out with my Daniel defense Ar and so anyway,
so that so that's that now, I gotta play something here.
All right, on the debate, some of you wants to debate,
some of you didn't.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Hang let me bring this up, Yes News Vice presidential debate.
We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.
The leading cause of death for children and teens in
America is by firearms.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Man, all right?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Wah.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Whereas the way they frame this statement and then and
then they always throw in gun violence and epidemic. Now,
I thought the Biden administration has been telling us that
crime is at an all time low. Why is it
an epidemic? Then it's either one or the other. Okay,
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So apparently it's an epidemic when they consider it. And
when they said between for children and teenagers, they framed
this so perfectly, bill if And obviously when when jd.
Vance answered it and Tim Wallas answered it, you know,
addressed it, they didn't say it the way they would
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have answered that or addressed that question the way you
or I would have, because I would have said, no,
you're purposely misleading with the question with you know, children
and teens, and you're purposely misleading with gun violence. It's
a demonizing term and epidemic, putting it into a medical category.
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And I would have said, you know, no zero to five,
No six to ten, no eleven to fifteen, no sixteen
to eighteen. Yes, in fact, from the two years between
sixteen and eighteen is more than double the number of
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deaths from firearms in any way, including suicide and homicide
and legal intervention and accident that are the entire zero
to sixteen more than double there so anyway, and so
why don't they just say for sixteen to eighteen year olds,
but they are also including nineteen year olds even to
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bump it up and you know, to get there, to
get their statement technically correct. They don't include zero to one.
And why is that? Yeah, because it's not the leading killer.
There are congenital birth defects and that type of thing.
But they couldn't have that if they included that. And
so for the children, I don't consider I'm sorry, I
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don't consider a sixteen year old a child. I consider
them an adolescent if you want to be if you
want to you know, actually mince words. But nonetheless they
purposely said that. And JD. Vance I think he did
a good job, and he skirted around the issue like
we all skirt around the issue of where the crime is.
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And I have said before the crime is not spread
evenly across this United States, like so much nutella on
a slice of avocado toast or whatever. I don't know,
natella and an avocado toast doesn't sound good all. So, no,
it's where is it. It's in the big cities. And
so yes, do we have a problem with suicide. Absolutely,
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we have a problem with suicide. Moms and dads. Secure
your firearms, a gun, sound, authorized access. That will take
care of the vast majority of access to firearms. Will
they find another way? Yeah, they will, and I'm sorry
to say that they will, but we can have some
solace that it will be less effective whatever way they choose.
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But anyway, and then the rest is he said in
the inner city, that's where it's happening. And he wanted
to say so much more. We want to say so
much more. Demographics, culture. We skirt around these issues with
these words. Anyway, And that is what I'll say, Hey, built,
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is your gun ready to go? Because if it isn't,
you don't have time to get it over to the guns.
However many people did. And if it's not your hunting
gun or anything, like that. How's that segue? It? You
can get your gun if it's like I always say,
if it's not everything you want it to be, whether
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the color, they've finished, the engraving. They literally do engraving.
They thread muzzles for muscle breaks and suppressors and mufflers
and all that kind of stuff. All sorts of stuff,
machining work, stock work, refinishing, you name it. They can
fix it over at the gunsmith at Sportsmen's Warehouse. Now
you can take it right down to them at sixteen
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thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, or
drop it off at any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. There's got to be
one near you. You could technically mail it to them
as well. Give them a call at eight to one
three zero four eighty seventy. They will take care of
your firearm for you. We need to get them back
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in all right, Bill, what do we got we got?
We talked about jdvent We talked about that. Is that right?
Is that what we've got?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
All right, Well then I'm gonna leave it to you.
What's your biggest concern about elk hunting with me this weekend.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Waking up in the morning, oh, getting up early. Now,
we're gonna be doing a lot of hiking. We're gonna
see a lot of gorgeous country and gosh darn, the
colors are beautiful up in the mountains right now. If
you get a chance, go out, you know, take a
friend out, take them out shooting. It's gonna be an
awesome weekend. This what we call conference weekend, which is
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a great start for the rifle elk hunt. So Clark
can't wait to see you up on the hillside.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
This would be fun, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Thanks to everybody you bet have a great weekend. Everyone,
See you next week.
Welcome to Gun Radio, Utah. We're very glad that you're
joining us, either live or on podcast, which we get
a lot of. We are number I think we're number
six right now in the nation, so after after today's
broadcast will be number two, just behind our good friend
Tom Gresham, who you can hear on the same station. Anyway, Bill,
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we've got a lot, We've got a lot to talk about.
We've got a.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Couple Yeah, as Margaret or as as Margaret would say,
we have so much to cover. And my Clark, I'll
make sure I do not shut your microphone off.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Thank you for not Yeah, please, do you do have
the power to shut off?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I thought that was so funny watching the debate this week,
how scripted and so mannequin?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Is that the right?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'll tell you what. You can go ahead and fact
check me if you want, but I'm going to fact
check your fact checks.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Okay, So anyway I.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Did some fact checking today. Anyway. Uh so, yeah, we
are going to talk about that. We've got a couple interviews,
a really great one with Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership
and Chuck Michelle with the California Rifle and Pistol Association.
That's a big deal. Chuck is a big deal, and
I'm very pleased that he joined us. And so this
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is kind of a tag along from last week's live
from Gun Rights Policy Conference, which we couldn't get those
two on there immediately anyway, So that's going to be
second and third segments. So I want to talk about
a couple of things other than that. I want to
talk about There was a home invasion. Well we'll call
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it an attempt at home invasion. There was an invasion.
We have an invasion across our southern border, not so
much on our northern border. But yeah, and it's not
just well anyway, I don't know if you heard about it.
I know Rod Arquette and Greg Hughes talked about it
on their show, which you can listen every Monday through
(01:58):
Friday four to seven on the same station KNRS. But
about a Venezuelan who was caught trying to break in
at seven and seven thirty in the morning and in
a home, residential home in Kysville where a mom and
her kids were getting ready to go to school. And anyway,
so we're going to talk about that, talk about what
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you can do and to a bigger issue we've got
a This is kind of related. We've been hearing word
from law enforcement, especially state law enforcement and Department of
Public Safety that some of the firearms that are being well,
I don't know the percentage, but apparently it's enough to
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make you go hmm, that the firearms being recovered from
these illegals, and I'm going to go ahead and use
the term illegal undocument whatever are coming from online sites. Now,
these are not online sites that you can act rually
buy the gun online from and have it you know,
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I guess maybe you could, but you'd still have to
have it shipped to a gun dealer an FFL. But
these are basically sites that help facilitate the transfer, the
otherwise lawful possession or lawful transfer rather of a firearm.
Here in Utah, which is private transfers are perfectly legal,
and there are laws that govern private transfers. One, you know,
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if you're not going through an FFL, you have to
make sure that the person is at least eighteen if
they're buying a handgun, and well actually eighteen for buying
a handgun or a rifle or shotgun, and they have
to be a resident of the state. You have to
not have information that they're going to commit a crime
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and you know, things like this that they're not otherwise prohibited.
Now you don't have you don't have to do the
back ground check, but there is we have. The Utah
has been over backwards. The Republicans in the state legislature
have been over backwards to help facilitate some of these
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transfers build in which we've worked with BCI and made
state law that you can go to the BCI dot
Utah dot gov website if you're buying or selling a gun,
and especially if you're selling a gun and find out, hey,
is this person I'm selling to? Are they prohibited? Kind
of a cya kind of a thing, and you can
plug in their information. It's voluntary on both sides. And
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the person selling the gun doesn't get actual information about
you know, what did this person do or you know
what kind of crime did they commit? A blah blah.
It just has a proceed or maybe not proceed kind
of a thing, kind of a question. Now you can
still go ahead and sell that firearm. But anyway, so
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we have done that. We didn't weren't really required to
do that, and nor did any of the hand ringing
bedwetters come up with that idea, they come up with
they just want universal background checks, which is essentially universal registration,
and so they so we have done that, and by
all accounts, I haven't heard any problems with that system
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that we're doing, and so we offered that we sent
out that all a branch. But right now they're saying
a lot of these guns are coming from these online sources.
And I've also heard I was just talking to the
House Majority Whip that there are apparently people that are
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buying a bunch of these guns and then up selling them.
Two people that perhaps, and I'm just going to throw
it out there, perhaps are not legally allowed.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
When you yeah, and when you say up selling, clerk,
explain that to our audience what up selling means?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They're being a broker, if you will. I mean, that's
a nice term. They're They're legal to buy the gun
in every respect except for are they buying it for
someone else? Right and to give to somebody else, and
that would be a crime. There's already And so my
part on this is we don't need more restrictions. We
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have existing laws that already make it illegal to do
these kind of things. So I'm stuck back with, Hey,
it sounds like an enforcement problem to me. And then
I go a step further, Bill, and I think you
do too, and I think the House Majority Whip does
as well. Why are these folks that are not allowed
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to have firearms in the United States in the first place?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, exactly, it's like the home.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Invasion, you know that, the attempt at home invasion. Just
by sheer luck, this woman didn't have her home invaded
while she was on which is the scariest of scarity.
We're not talking about, you know, a burglary while you're
gone on vacation. This is seven in the morning, when
people are home and somebody with a baseball bat is
trying to break in. So it would be kind of
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like saying, well, and they're saying, well, you just shouldn't
sell you shouldn't sell to guns to anybody, you know. Well,
that's basically like saying you're to blame for the home
invasion because you had your house out there.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You shouldn't have a house out there. Then, exactly, don't
put your house out there.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, you know, otherwise legally allowed to have your home
and be in it, but you shouldn't have done that
because and if you hadn't had that, then the person
wouldn't be there with a baseball bat. All right. So
I now we know, and President Trump has said this before,
and I think JD. Vance said it in the debate,
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that the Biden Harris administration has all sorts of Is
that right? Okay? The Biden Harris administration has all sorts
of these different methods for coming into the United States.
Technically legally, then, I guess, but it certainly isn't the
legal way that we think of. They're waving their magic
wand of you know, acceptance into the United States. And
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these are the people that are coming in that are rapists,
that are murderers, that are otherwise that the Colombians, the Venezuelans,
the Hondurans, apparently the Somalians, to the government there are
clearing out their prisons with the condition that you have
to leave that country. And where do they come to?
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The United States? Is where they come because apparently it's
a lot harder to get into Mexico than it is
to get into the United States. Isn't that? All right?
We're telling me what do we got? We got thirty?
We got ten? Okay? All right? So when we come back,
we're going to have We're going to have a couple interviews,
but I want to revisit this bill. Maybe in fourth segment,
we're gonna have a couple of great interviews from Gun
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Rights Policy Conference, and so stay tuned and we'll be
right back. Welcome back to Gun Radio Utah. I'm ste
your host Clark Opotion Bill Bill Petterson sitting logistically, I
guess ethereally across from me and I am joined right
here live by at gRPC Gun Rights Policy Conference with you.
(09:19):
You're quite the headliner. Chuck Michelle with California Rifle and
Pistol Associations. Hey, hi to Gun Radio Utah listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Pleasure to be here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So I heard your comments, it was enthralled about how
hugely important CRPA is and what they're doing. I think
all gun rights organizations could really take a clue from
you folks you have. I mean, roughly, how many lawsuits
do you have going on just in California?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
About a dozen, I would say right now, on pretty
much every topic. And luckily this year the legislature didn't
pass anything as egregious as it as a in previous years.
So there's one law that's going to go into effect
that will probably challenge where they it's locked storage. It's
a bit a bit too extreme, but usually we get
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three or four bad laws out of a legislative session,
and we have to file three or four lawsuits to
challenge them all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean, pretty much, California is really you know, and
I can say this coming from California myself. California is
really the genesis of all the bad gun laws, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I call it the moldy Petri dish. It's it's sort
of a laboratory for bad gun laws. But California isn't
really leading that effort anymore. I think the every Town
Law at Bloomberg's organization and the millions of dollars that
he pumps into it, they're spoon feeding model legislation to
all the battleground states California, Illinois, you know, the other
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blue states, and trying and trying to get them to
overwhelm us with so many laws that all between all
the pro gun owner organizations, we can't keep up with
the lawsuits to challenge them all.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So I've been told either it was in your talk
or another talk that literally Kamala Harris's little group at
the White House is literally using taxpayer money to train legislators.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, and that's another law that passed this year is
the Gun Violence Prevention Center that the state of California
is going to now fund, and they've been directed to
work with gun violence prevention groups, which means Brady and
Bloomberg and all the gun band lobby. So that's another
thing that the gun band lobby is doing and orchestrating
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at the federal level and in states across the country
to come up with these Basically, they're going to crank
out junk science that justifies gun control laws when the
real science doesn't justify any gun control law exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay, Now there's been because a lot of our listeners
are either from California or they visit California. There's a
lot of links, I mean, including myself and even my
co host Bill. We're interested in concealed curry permits now
that Bruin has demanded, essentially that states that previously did
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not issue to non residence and barely issued to their
own residence in some cases, that's changed in California. What's
the progress on that right now?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Well after Bruin came down there was about two hundred
and fifty thousand ccws in the state of California, and
there's about five hundred a little over five hundred now
the best of my knowledge of the latest figures. Now
we want it to be five million, and the only
way that's going to happen is if we simplify the process.
So I call it the Blue resistance. You know, the
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progressives have done everything they can to frustrate the ability
to get a CCW.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now that they have to give.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Them out, you can't require some kind of a special
need like they used to use just to frustrate people
from being able to get one. So now they're raising
the fees, they're increasing the delay, making you train more,
getting a psychological evaluation, all these things. It's all designed
to be roadblocks in the way of getting that CCW.
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So we have a lawsuit now that's challenging some of
those things to try and make the process easier.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So, and I've heard tell that basically the judge in
that case has acknowledged that they have to start issuing,
but now is working with the different sheriff's offices to
logistically work this out. Is that true?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Well, actually, the CRBA is working with a different sheriff's office.
We have a very good relationship with most county sheriffs,
and we work with law enforcement all the time. They
are for the most part, they are pro Second Amendment,
so they've seen the light on that. But there are
some can imagine it's like the DMV. I mean, you're
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issuing licenses. It's a big administrative operation and that's not
really what law enforcement is set up to. Do you
know that this is a permitting process that would typically
go under an administrative agency. But now what we're looking
at the good side of this is that non residents
being able to get ccw's in California needs to be
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streamlined in the statute. So we're looking at support from
the Sheriff's Association to revise the CCW statute and do
things like turn the two year term of a license
into a five year term and make it easier to
get a permit, streamline that process and bring the costs down.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Okay, so chuck with Bruin passing, why is it that
you still have so many lawsuits though in California? I mean,
are they just thumbing their nose at Bruin.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yes, that's the short answer. Yes, the courts, some of
the judges on the Ninth Circuit are and there's a
huge split, very contentious split in the Ninth Circuit between
the more conservative justices and the more progressive justices over
the Second what should be protected by the Second Amendment,
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And so they are really some of those justices that
are some of those judges that are bending over backwards
intellectually to come up with ways to get around or
limit the Brewing Decision so that it doesn't apply as
as broadly as it really is supposed to if it
was applied faithfully.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
How can people find out more about CRPA?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Go to CRPA dot org even if you can't join,
if you don't have the money to join, and it's
you know, it's not very much, but we appreciate your membership.
But sign up and get our emails so that you
know what's going on in the state of California, because
it really is sort of the incubator for bad gun
controls and if you see it happening out here, it's
probably coming soon to a state near you or a
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locality near you. So help us stop things out here
so you don't have to deal with them when there,
when they're coming into your backyard.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Fantastic. I want to thank you for being on Gun
Radio Utah. That's Chuck Michelle, California Rifle and Pistol Association.
So stay tuned. We'll be right back on Gun Radio Utah.
Welcome back to Gun Radio Utah. We are live but
pre recorded from Gun Rights Policy Conference and beautiful San Diego, California.
I'm joined by Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership. I want
(16:15):
to make sure I get that right, Doctor Sean Brodell. Yes, Sean,
say hi to Gun Radio Utah listeners.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Hello, Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
All right, and so doctor, I've asked you because you've
you've got a booth out here at gRPC, and I
happen to be I've heard of your group like many
people have. And because it's it's kind of an anomaly,
if you will, for doctors and guns to be kind
(16:42):
of together, can you explain what DRGO is?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
So, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership is a nationwide advocacy
and watchdog group of physicians and other health professionals, and
we include any health professional in that and we really
want to educate health professionals and the public and teach
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what the science actually shows, and the science shows that
guns in responsible hands saves lives, reduce injuries, and protects
properties by preventing violent crime.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So we are obviously with that, What does responsible in
the doctors for responsible gun ownership actually mean? Because you
can understand sometimes, you know, the anti gunners, I'm not
putting you in that room. The anti gunners like, oh, well,
we just want responsible gun laws or responsible laws.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Sure, sure, but we also understand that that we don't
want to let the other side, the anti gunners, steal
our vocabulary, and we all want to be responsible with
our firearms, responsible around our children, responsible in public. And
so we take that and still use it despite the
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fact that the anti gunners use it in a not
so accurate way.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So how do how does me as just a consumer
I guess of medical care? How do I how do
I know what my doctor is thinking? What I mean,
if they're going to be pushing anti gun messages. Maybe
maybe I'm not even in there. Maybe it's my kids,
if you know, if it's a family practice or something.
How how do we how do we deal with that?
(18:30):
So first things are what do you see?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Does your doctor seem to respect the right of you
to keep guns. Do they try to lean you away
from having guns? Do you see anti gun posters and
things like that in their offices or they fairly neutral
or non political in their practice, as they should be.
(18:55):
And the last thing is, is your doctor familiar with
the gun unsafety programs like Eddie Ego from the NRA,
the nssf's Project Child Safe and other real child safe
and child education programs that are helping our childs grow
(19:17):
up with guns.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And so, and I agree, I mean that rings true.
So one of the things that's really got me is, yes,
I have a scene and been around doctors that have
given gun advice, even though they are not necessarily experts.
Let I mean, they don't even have a secondhand knowledge
of firearms, let alone experts. Yet they seem to be
giving me gun advice right right.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And the anti gun, the anti gun people out there,
are are pushing more and more to have doctors give
you that advice or even trying to make gun violence
teaching out there and gun violence programs for anti gun people.
(20:05):
And so unfortunately, more of that, when they really don't
know about guns, is going to be coming our way.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, And so the Uh now I can't remember her
same who's that doctor for the for the government the
uh uh Biden? No, no, Murphy, yes, yes, didn't. He
came out and he has reiterated something that was said
before that gun violence is a epidemic and he used
a medical term in that.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Way, right, and we we we fight against that that
gun violence is not a epidemic. It is not a
medical problem. And just the fact that they use the
word gun violence shows that they put the wrong emphasis.
They put the emphasis on the gun and not emphasis
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on the person who is misusing the gun.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well said, Well said, how how can we how, I mean,
how can we find out if a doctor is you know,
going to respect our privacy rights and our rights of firearms.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
That that's really difficult, and going on the questions that
I said before. But what we can do, uh here
at d r g O, we have a service called
two a doc so at to ADC dot com. You
can look there and put your information in and we
(21:30):
can try to make a referral to a doctor that's
gun friendly in your area and the specialty that you need.
And also, you guys out there, if your doctor is
gun friendly, encourage them to sign up for two a
doc so that others can find gun friendly docs and
those who will respect your rights.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No fantastic, doctor Brodelle. Thank you so much for being
on gun Radio UTA. I appreciate this and uh and
I'm going to head to that website now, thank you,
Thanks very much, Clark, all right, and then we come back.
We've got much more to go on gun radio, Utah.
Stay tuned and welcome back to gun Radio. So glad
to have you with us on this lovely Saturday afternoon. Now,
(22:11):
Clark and I are kind of pre recording this show
because we're actually up in the hills elk hunting on
this opening elk hunting rifle hunting day.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And uh, it's gonna be kind of fun. Clark for
spike bowl, right for spike bowl. Yeah, so spiky, I'll
point those out for you.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Would you point those out to me?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Point those out to you. But the big thing we're
going to go after too is grouse, blue grouse. We're
gonna have some mountain chickens for lunch.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay. So my question to you Bill, okay, since since
you told me to bring my judge yes with four
to ten number nine shot, is if we're shooting grouse
while we're elk hunting, isn't that going to scare the
elk away?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, it's usually when we're walking back to camp or
driving along the roads or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So we're shooting out the car.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, we're not gonna shoot out of the car, but
maybe on the hick.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Because I think that's it. Even I know that's I
don't know a lot about the hunting. I know a
lot about all the other gun stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
But oh, it's very different for hunters. Yeah, those rules
are those laws. Yeah, some of these guys, you go.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Okay, so because and let me just admit, you know,
a lot of folks think I'm a great white hunter.
I'm not. And Bill is actually going to take me
under his wing. Yeah, and uh and and kind of.
I grew up in the Bay Area, California, in the
San Francisco Bay Area. Not a lot of deer there.
There's some white tail deer that I think cang is
bigger than them. Anyway, so I had to find out, Hey,
(23:35):
can I can I actually hunt with a with a
three O eight and ar ten? And can I have
my my thirtieth round magazine, my twenty round magazine on there,
and you know how much orange do I have to wear?
So I had to find out all these things. And
it was easy to find out, but I wanted to
make sure because I always heard about magazine capacity and
this kind of stuff. So I went onto the rags.
(23:55):
I went to title twenty three of Utah Code. I
went to the administrative rules and I looked, and I looked.
I couldn't find anything. So I called up DWR. I
was twenty three minutes on hold with them today, twenty
three minutes on hold. They instantly answered the phone and
said can you hold and then for twenty three minutes,
and so I said, hey, can I hunt with a
semi auto rifle? And you know, I know all you
(24:17):
folks out there are saying the clark. You know, I
wanted to make sure because they will hang me out
to dry if I anyway. So they said, they said, well,
I don't think, so let me check. So she spent
she spent a little bit of time checking, and so
she came up and she says, no, here it is.
You cannot hunt with a fully automatic rifle. And I said,
I said semi autom And she says, oh, did you
(24:40):
say semi I said, yeah, I said, and and so anyways, Bill,
we won't be taking the the M nineteen nineteen belt.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Bet so if you see us out there and you
see a guy with an arm out, it's Clark.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And then I wanted to make sure can I hunt
with a AM I restrict did on the magazine capacity,
And so I called A I called and she gave
me a name for an officer, so I called him.
He immediately answered, and he said, Yep, you can hunt
with a semiato. You can hunt with a with any
sized magazine you want, and there's no restriction on the
number of rounds that you have in that magazine.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So okay, But instead of your vest, your tactical vest, yeah,
you will be wearing a hunter's orange vest. So you're
not gonna be mag stacked.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I hope you. You better not be mag stacked.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
No, I'm gonna be magazine. Now I'm going out there.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm I'm just trying to set the picture for our radio.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I'm gonna have a cross cross bandoleros of seven to
six two m anyway, so really really happy to be
going out with my Daniel defense Ar and so anyway,
so that so that's that now, I gotta play something here.
All right, on the debate, some of you wants to debate,
some of you didn't.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Hang let me bring this up, Yes News Vice presidential debate.
We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.
The leading cause of death for children and teens in
America is by firearms.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Man, all right?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Wah.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Whereas the way they frame this statement and then and
then they always throw in gun violence and epidemic. Now,
I thought the Biden administration has been telling us that
crime is at an all time low. Why is it
an epidemic? Then it's either one or the other. Okay,
(26:34):
So apparently it's an epidemic when they consider it. And
when they said between for children and teenagers, they framed
this so perfectly, bill if And obviously when when jd.
Vance answered it and Tim Wallas answered it, you know,
addressed it, they didn't say it the way they would
(26:55):
have answered that or addressed that question the way you
or I would have, because I would have said, no,
you're purposely misleading with the question with you know, children
and teens, and you're purposely misleading with gun violence. It's
a demonizing term and epidemic, putting it into a medical category.
(27:20):
And I would have said, you know, no zero to five,
No six to ten, no eleven to fifteen, no sixteen
to eighteen. Yes, in fact, from the two years between
sixteen and eighteen is more than double the number of
(27:43):
deaths from firearms in any way, including suicide and homicide
and legal intervention and accident that are the entire zero
to sixteen more than double there so anyway, and so
why don't they just say for sixteen to eighteen year olds,
but they are also including nineteen year olds even to
(28:03):
bump it up and you know, to get there, to
get their statement technically correct. They don't include zero to one.
And why is that? Yeah, because it's not the leading killer.
There are congenital birth defects and that type of thing.
But they couldn't have that if they included that. And
so for the children, I don't consider I'm sorry, I
(28:25):
don't consider a sixteen year old a child. I consider
them an adolescent if you want to be if you
want to you know, actually mince words. But nonetheless they
purposely said that. And JD. Vance I think he did
a good job, and he skirted around the issue like
we all skirt around the issue of where the crime is.
(28:48):
And I have said before the crime is not spread
evenly across this United States, like so much nutella on
a slice of avocado toast or whatever. I don't know,
natella and an avocado toast doesn't sound good all. So, no,
it's where is it. It's in the big cities. And
so yes, do we have a problem with suicide. Absolutely,
(29:08):
we have a problem with suicide. Moms and dads. Secure
your firearms, a gun, sound, authorized access. That will take
care of the vast majority of access to firearms. Will
they find another way? Yeah, they will, and I'm sorry
to say that they will, but we can have some
solace that it will be less effective whatever way they choose.
(29:31):
But anyway, and then the rest is he said in
the inner city, that's where it's happening. And he wanted
to say so much more. We want to say so
much more. Demographics, culture. We skirt around these issues with
these words. Anyway, And that is what I'll say, Hey, built,
(29:52):
is your gun ready to go? Because if it isn't,
you don't have time to get it over to the guns.
However many people did. And if it's not your hunting
gun or anything, like that. How's that segue? It? You
can get your gun if it's like I always say,
if it's not everything you want it to be, whether
(30:13):
the color, they've finished, the engraving. They literally do engraving.
They thread muzzles for muscle breaks and suppressors and mufflers
and all that kind of stuff. All sorts of stuff,
machining work, stock work, refinishing, you name it. They can
fix it over at the gunsmith at Sportsmen's Warehouse. Now
you can take it right down to them at sixteen
(30:34):
thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, or
drop it off at any of the over one hundred
and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. There's got to be
one near you. You could technically mail it to them
as well. Give them a call at eight to one
three zero four eighty seventy. They will take care of
your firearm for you. We need to get them back
(30:56):
in all right, Bill, what do we got we got?
We talked about jdvent We talked about that. Is that right?
Is that what we've got?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
All right, Well then I'm gonna leave it to you.
What's your biggest concern about elk hunting with me this weekend.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Waking up in the morning, oh, getting up early. Now,
we're gonna be doing a lot of hiking. We're gonna
see a lot of gorgeous country and gosh darn, the
colors are beautiful up in the mountains right now. If
you get a chance, go out, you know, take a
friend out, take them out shooting. It's gonna be an
awesome weekend. This what we call conference weekend, which is
(31:35):
a great start for the rifle elk hunt. So Clark
can't wait to see you up on the hillside.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
This would be fun, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Thanks to everybody you bet have a great weekend. Everyone,
See you next week.
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