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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is when we bring in Bill Petterson, when we
say there's no apologies. Bill Petterson, Director Utah Shooting Sports Council,
How are you a very nice shirt you've got on today?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You can tell yeah, I've got my I've got my shirt.
It says make America carving again. I don't know what
it means exactly, but it has something to do with guns.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
If that works. So now I'm going to just apologize upfront.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Clark.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm sitting remotely.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Hang on, I just might finishing. There's no apologies.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, I know, but okay, okay, So don't worry about
the dirt bikes and the side by sides going by,
but they're just it's a beautiful day. Holy cow, people
should be shooting. And I hope they're just streaming this over.
iHeartMedia because what a gorgeous day to be in the outdoors.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I've already been shooting today. I just want you to
know that it was off the back in a test.
It was in test mode. It was in test mode
because I've got to take out. Uh, I've got to
take out again. A little shout out to Kent Barnes.
He is a pilot, a hot air balloon pilot and
he has at least a couple of balloons. It goes
all over the world with him. But there's a thing
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in Vernal called Dinah Sore as in Sore through the clouds,
and they bring a whole bunch of balloons. Include Hey,
even Senator Kurt Bramble's balloon is usually there. So we're
gonna we're gonna go out shooting with him after the
show today, go shoot machine guns.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
So I had to go.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I had to and I'll due diligence test test him
out a little bit off the it perhaps off the
back porch. My brother in law was with with here,
and I said, you know, hey, fire in the hole.
So anyway, so that worked out good. Oh I got
to do another shout out. I got to do another
shout out and this this, this is kind of an
interesting one because but it's he's a gun guy. This
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guy is just a true gun guy, and so it
comes by way up.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I had to go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I had to do my regular physical checkup, blah blah blah,
and everything was fine, except he didn't like my LDL
whatever that means, like he's just making up letters and
that to go along with stuff. So the doc says, oh,
you know, I don't like your LDL blah blah blah.
And so he says, you know, you got to go
work out some more, and.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You have to be a vegan. You have to be
a vegan. And I'm like, wow, what Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He literally said, yeah, you have to be a vegan.
His exact his exact words were cut back on the
rip by steaks and eat something leaner. But you know,
I know what I heard. I know what I heard.
So anyway, So anyway, so I so we've got a
nice little gym over here at ghost ey Manor and
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you into County. Uh that that you know, that's downstairs
and I go to it and I can watch the
TV and all that. But when I'm there in Cottwood Heights,
I don't have a little gym. So I ran over
to EOS EOS Fitness in Murray. It's the big, you know,
they're the big, the big to do and uh, and
I met Chris Mason. Chris Mason, he's the general manager
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over at EOS, and go see him. Really no pressure,
fantast I knew what I wanted. So the guy's a
gun guy. Though the guy's guy's I mean he's building guns,
he's uh, you know, shooting him. He's he's, you know,
doing it all. So nice little shout out. Had a
good experience over there when I signed up, and uh,
I think, I'm only I only have to uh uh
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you know with the deal I got, I only have.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
To do this for the next forty years. So and
that's it. Now it's a month month, it's a month
by month. I tell you.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
What, Clark being overd wasn't that where we had that
shooting just a couple of months in the podcast, So
I hope everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, well she was.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
She was a gun gal, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So we're gonna have in second segment, we're gonna have
Jeff Young, executive Officer watch that shooters association. Uh with
some troubling news, some troubling news. We're going to talk
about that. I want to get into uh later in
the show.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Bill. Do you ever feel, when.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You're watching the news or hearing from the media or
something like typically the media, that you are you and
your views on firearms and the Second Amendment are seemingly
so out of touch with the rest of the United States.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Does it ever feel like that to.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You every time we go to commit up on the hill.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, And it kind of feels like, wow, I must
be in like the one percentile of people that feel
the way we do or I do. About the second
Amendment of that well, you know, gallop and who was it?
Marquette University just did a pole and I think you'll
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be interested to find out what the results of that
poll are. Amongst our fellow United States Sians, eight machine
guns are back in the nudes. There was a ruling
by Justice John Broomes out of Wichita. He was a
Trump appointee, and it had to do with machine guns.
And I think it's it's pretty interesting. I want to
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talk to you about this. I want to get your
thoughts on this bill. So when we do that, let's
see what have we got guns in post office? Can
you carry a gun in the post office?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well not since nineteen seventy one. And there's a group
that is looking to change that. There's a group that's
looking to change that. And we've got oh here's one
for you. Well, you know, we could we could talk
about California anti gun bills. There's a couple, there's three
of them that are coming up for the boat on
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the floor in California, and it just it just shows
you how far the left will go when they are
unheeded by the by opposition party with regards to guns
and apparently oblivious to Supreme Court rulings.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
So you know, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh hey, a little shout out to Randal Doyle who
is at the Crossroads at the West Gun Show right now.
And it's Saturday, nine to five, so that's today. It's
Spanish for fair Grounds and tomorrow nine am to three pm.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Get down there.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's the that's the big gun show Acrossroads, the West
Gun Show. Go say hi to Randall And if we
have any other volunteers at that booth at the Utah
Shooting Sports Council Boots, say hi and drop by there.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Hey Bill, can you uh?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Can you hunt from an airplane or from a helicopter?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Is that you know? If that's legally? You're my hunting guy,
So can we can we do?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I don't think we can do it for el kunting,
but I know down south to what I call South Texas,
some of those areas they do hog hunting out of helicopters.
Really kind of fun. I'd like to kind of go
do that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, okay, so my next So my next question.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Then makes sense because there was a bill that was
proposed a couple of years ago I think it was
a couple of years ago in Texas to allow shooting
hogs from a hot air balloon. Yes, you know why
that would be because the hogs are smart. Well, the
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hogs are smart, and when they're the helicopter rotors, they
hide out of sight. But there are no helicopter rotors
on a hot air balloon, and so you just kind
of float over in your nice peaceful environment.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah you're gone.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well, Bill, I did some research and I cannot find
any restriction on shooting guns.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Hunting may be something different, but shooting guns in an
otherwise lawful area, but you just happen to be above it.
Shooting puns guns from a hot air balloon may in
fact be legal or not restricted anything. It's not restricted,
its legal in other words. So anyway, uh, that and
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so much more. When we come back on gun Radio, Utah,
stay tuned some.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
What a beautiful Saturday afternoon. If you're not out shooting
right now, you should be. And I got to say
one of the greatest places to go shoot is up
in Davis County, the Kaysville up in kaswell of the
Davis County Range. And with that said, I am so
glad to have with this. Jeff Young, executive officer of
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the Wassat Shooter Association, Jeff, Welcome to Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Hey, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Wow you bet. Now a lot of things that are
kind of been transpiring up there at the Davis County
Range there that we just got we started getting worried about.
We've heard about this for a couple of weeks, but
then all of a sudden, we got a barrage of
emails into Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org. Are our
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director's email list, tell us a little bit about what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, So we operate under a ten year agreement with
the County of Davis County and we're the Wassatt Shooters Association.
It's previously called the Wassat Shooters Association Range and it's
located in Casell in Davis County. And the way that
it works is the WSA has the range Tuesday nights
after five from five to nine, all day Friday, all
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day Saturday, all day Sunday, and that's when we've been
running it for the public to come up and shoot.
And we've been doing this since the seventies, so we've
got a long track record with working really well with
Davis County. And i'd say about two years ago, the
I believe one of the group causes of the issue
we're having right now is that some federal money was
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loosened up to improve the Bottomville Shoreline Trail, which is
right behind the shooting area in the direction that we shoot.
So there's been signs that have been put up no
trespassing behind the range. People have been you know, you
know it made to go down and around the bottom
of the range and go back up. But with the
federal money, I guess there was a requirement that they're
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not be a lot of slope going down and a
lot of slope going up so that people who were
handicapped pushing baby carts can still use that trail. And
I guess they want to connect it from like the
Salt Lake area as far as they can up toward Ogden.
They make it one continuous trail. So a couple of
years ago, the county came to us with an idea about,
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you know, running another trail from the south side of
our range around the bottom through a lower part of
our range back up to the northern part of the
Bonneville Shoreline Trail. And we didn't talk to the main stakeholder,
which is us because we run this, and they came
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up with an idea about just doing that, and I
guess it would cost about two and a half million
dollars to do that project. Well, if anybody has been
up here, you know that on Bay nine, which is
our furthest southern Shooting Bay, there's a big burn and
then there's a chain link fence that keeps people from
climbing it. And our idea was to continue that fence
line up to the top of the trail and then
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along the eastern side of our property and then put
up a burn and then a fence so people could
not one be shot by anybody at the range. They'd
be behind some dethiel aids, so there's terrain shading, there's
a fence to keep them from climbing up. And then
the county just didn't want any part of that. For
some reason, they figured that talking to the Feds and
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getting approval to push a little dirt and create a
fire break road between an active shooting range. And then
the BLM land up here with some idea that they
didn't think they would buy, but in reality, all they
needed to do is call the FEDS and that would
have been taken tariff. So they've been bouncing back and
forth trying to come up with a plan. They really
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haven't talked to us very well when it came to that.
And then our ten year contract came up earlier this
year to be renewed, and then they kind of vaulked
at the idea of giving us another contract and didn't
started doing like one month extension.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And so okay, let me let me jump in here, Jeff, Yeah, Jeff,
let me jump in here for a second. So because
because we're on the clock on this one, so we're
going to have to get going on. But long story short,
when you say they, is it the is it the
Sheriff's office?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Is it the county commission? And what is commission? What
is the end result? Right now?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay, So the County Commissioner is the issue with the trail.
The Sheriff's department, from what I understand from people within
the Sheriff's Department decided to try to make this a
law enforcement only range, so they use it and have
access to it anytime that we're not up here. So
the gist of it is Chief Deputy O lad is
the one spiritheading this through the Data County shriff Department
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to create conflict with us, the public up here shooting
so that they could complain to the council and then
get them to not renew our contract. So it was
it's kind of a strange situation we find ourselves in.
We've been fighting this. We've had Mitch DilOS helping us.
We've had you know Oda, who's the former centers their
State of Routsaw helping us with our insurance. They made
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a claim weeks ago that our insurance wasn't any good,
so I had to shut it down for a week.
They admitted that it was good, and then they just
decided this week not to renew with us. Now there
is a little confusion because in all the paperwork you'll
see from them, they talk about a four month extension.
You need to know that we operate as a nonprofit.
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We just make enough money to cover what it costs
to run this range and we pay for all of
the Davis County and all of the agencies within Davis County.
When they train here, they use stuff that we bought
from money that we've gotten from the public to run
the public range. So they've never paid anything for anything occurred.
They've never helped us financially. It's all been us. And
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so because they're taken it away from the WSA, we're
going to have to figure a way to pay people
act for annual memberships that we sell, because the annual
membership is what we basically finance everything with daily fees.
Membership fees kind of help, but it's the yearly stuff
that we actually use for keeping it running.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So how many people, how many people use the range?
How many people use.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The right members We've had one hundred here today. I'm
at the range right now. We've had one hundred you
know here today. On match days we could have a
couple hundred people from all over the state and from
other states to come up here and shoot competitions.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Do do instructors public what's that? Do instructors concealed carry instructors?
Safety instructors? On hundred instructors utilize the range?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I actually owned Utah Tactical Coaching. And I've been
teaching here since twenty ten, and there's about six other
people that were authorized to teach here at the range,
and I became the XO about three years ago, and
and then this problem just kind of fell on us.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But so where are these people going to go?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Now? Who knows? Lee k has been really nice and
has reached out and to take a bunch of our
ros or range officers who volunteer up here. We've got
one hundred and twenty of them right now, and I
guess the large majority will go to Leek to help
out and all the other ranges around. But as far
as the public shooting, they're not going to have any
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option here to shoot. Hopefully they're not going to go
up Farmington Canyon or about Bountiful Canyon and start shooting
TVs and junking at the place and causing fires, because
that's one of the reasons why this range is here
for the public is to keep people from doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, well exactly, and you know speak of the range.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, they legally can go up and shoot in the county,
you know, as long as they're not shooting across roads.
But it may or may not be safe to do so,
as opposed to the range which was safe.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Right, Yeah, because we have a variety of different people
that what can people do from a variety of different
backgrounds that coming here to shoot? And yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
People do anything. Is there social media out there? Is
there a website.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
A website for what ours ISWSA change dot com and
that if you go to the header page right now,
either today or tomorrow, it will be updated and it
will have all the names of the people who who
have been interested or dealing with us from the county
who you know. It's got their emails and phone numbers
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so you can call and in voice your opinion on this. Now,
what I hope that the county does is there's no
going back to the WSA. We're pulling up stakes. We
have to have all of their stuff out by the
end of next week and the thirty first is when
our insurance gets turned off. They have been talking to
match groups and saying that they might be able to
still host match groups up here, which is a good thing.
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I hope they do. But the problem is is these
match groups don't have their proper insurance to do this
by themselves. They would fall secondary underneath the wall set
US Association, and then we would follow any Davis County
without us in the middle, their insurance probably won't be
good enough, and then Davis County will probably have to
ensure that those activities, and I don't know if they're
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you know, the county will approve that and then pay
for insurance specifically for the match groups. What I hope
they do, and this is crossing my fingers, and I
hope they're smart about it, but I hope they use
the PMMA model where they had one guy who've worked
for the county who is up at their range and
who managed it, so they could turn this into a
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county run range, use a county employer three or four
to come up here and be paid to be a range,
offer to run the range, and then they could continue
to have this as a public range. But I know
from people inside Davis County Shriff's department that Chief Oblad,
definitely Chief Oblad wanted to make this a law enforcement
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only range. So if they shift to the public, they're
actual bending to the will of the people who are calling.
So I suggest everybody reach out to the County Commission.
And it does help and it will hopefully bring back
public shooting at this range here.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
All right, well, Jeff, and we've been listening to UH
to Jeff Young, executive ausficer Wassatt Shooters Association talking about
the wasat range the Davis County, you know, owned by
Davis County, and so find them on Facebook and UH
on the website and that and reach out if you
have strong feelings one way or the others, reach out
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to the Davis Davis County.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So I appreciate it. Will you please keep us advised of.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Anything that that transpires, anything that knew that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I will. But the Facebook page that shows Wassatt Shooters
Association is not related to the range at all. Somebody
just made that.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh okay, all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
The website is the way to contact us and that'll
have the information on it. So thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
And what's tell us that website again, w s A.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Range dot com.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Fantastic, Jeff Young, Executive Officer, wes Haide shoot Association. When
we come back on Gun Radio, Utah, lots more to come.
I am transmitting live from ghost Eime Manor and beautiful
you went to county today and Bill you are transmitting
live from from where from a hot air Ballum.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I don't have them, No, I don't. I gotta guess
I'd better come up with the name for this place.
But I'm in Well, let's put it this way. I'm
up on the upper Weber Summit County. How's that we'll
put it out?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Is that Weber?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Is that Weber, Weber, Weberber Weber Grill? Hey, Bill, So
you've had guns. Uh, you've taken guns into the gunsmith
a sportsman's warehouse before, haven't you? Absolutely okay, And we're
happy with the way the work they did. Okay, So uh,
and I have too, And I constantly I'll pick up
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a gun and I'll drop off a gun and so anyway,
if you have a gun that you're hoping to use
this fall for hunting, it probably needs to be in
there today.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Over to the gunsmith.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
If you need some work on it, if you need
repair work, if you need a refinishing, if you need
stock work, customizing it, if machining work is what you need,
if you need it, you know, the threads put on
the barrel, you know, for a muzzle breaker or a suppressor,
just need an inspection. Whenever you need the Sarah cooding
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or engraving or whatever, get it over to the gunsmith
at Sportsmen's Warehouse. They're located at sixteen thirty South fifty
seventy West in Salt Lake City. You can give them
a call at eight oh one three zero four eighty
seventy or take it into any of the over one
hundred and forty over one hundred and forty five Sportsmen's
Warehouse locations and tell them to get this to the
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gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Bill Like I had, we had mentioned.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Before about how do you feel when when you listen
to the media or they'll interview somebody, and it seems
like gun owners, especially gun owners, that the way we
feel about the Second Amendment, the right to keeping bear arms,
that kind of thing, we feel that we're so out
of touch, we're in the such the minority in that thought. Well,
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this is why it was very heartening to read an
article that involved Marquette University Law School in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
which they revealed a super majority in the United States
supports a right to carry firearms in public for self defense.
So this is not hunting, this is not just in
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your home. This is out and about so, and they
compared it has that gone up or down in the
last two years? So people in this poll, and this
was a big pole. They were questioned on a range
of opinions about everything from US institutions, the media, the
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Supreme Court. One of the questions that this is one
of the questions I picked out, they said to the
participants in the study. The Supreme Court in twenty twenty
two ruled that, subject to some restrictions, the Second Amendment
protects an individual's right to carry a handgun for self
defense outside the home. How much do you favor or
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oppose this decision? Two years ago? It was great news.
Then too sixty four percent strongly favored or somewhat favored.
In other words, it broke the line they favored it
either strongly or somewhat, And now two years later it's
up sixty nine percent. This is a direct This is
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an exact opposite of what we have been led to believe.
We have been told that America the public doesn't want
people carrying hidden guns and that we should rely on
law enforcement for self defense.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
What do you think about this? You think that's pretty good?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, what I think is those are probably some of
the questions or statistics that the media doesn't even want
us to hear, so they're not able going to share
that with us in the first place.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Oh, oh, bill, oh bill?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Speaking of the media, can I can I interject something?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
So they asked, they asked questions regarding the government and
the national news media, okay. For the presidency in the
last two years, thirty two percent said that they agreed
a great deal or quite a lot with the presidency, okay,
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or had faith in it. For Congress, it was thirteen percent.
For the media, do they favor or approve doing? Twelve
percent approved, gone out. So yeah, I don't think you're
going to see this Marquette University story in the media anytime,
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anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
So what have we got on time? Oh? Now, we're
doing great? Uh do you want to Should we talk
about the machine gun thing?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's kind of interesting. Yeah, let's let's we got a
few minutes here to cover that.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, I found it interesting, and I'm not sure.
So there was a in twenty eighteen. UH US District
Judge John Broomes out of Wichita, Kansas. He was appointed
by Trump in twenty eighteen to the bench, and he
made a ruling this last week.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And I got to tell you, I think it's the first.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Time that a judge US District Court judge has made
such a ruling. What it what it dealt with was
there was an individual that was hought and arrested for
having a machine gun. Now, this machine gun was actually,
I mean it is a machine guy guys a glock
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pistol switch. So the glock switch, okay, a g switch whatever.
And the judge ruled that it was that the National
Firearms Act in nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Did not.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That that made machine guns a registered item and you know,
basically completely banned any possession of newly acquired machine guns
after May of eighty six by by regular folks. He
said that it did not meet that that band did
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not have an historical analog and so that so that
he he threw the case out against this person. Your
thoughts on this bill, Well, that could go.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
A number of different directions. When I first read the article,
it's like, oh my, this this is a new interpretation
of a machine gun, first of all, and it was
also referring to how that it's it doesn't coincide with
the well with the Constitution's Second Amendment rights for an
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individual to own a machine gun. So I'm looking at
this going I'm not sure if it'll stand on its
own merit, but it was interesting that the judge ordered
the or the courts ordered, you know, for him to
be able to get his gun back. And I thought,
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that's going to be interesting because if it even I
don't know, maybe well this should this follow under Bruin.
I mean, I'm not sure what the thought produce.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, and that's well, I think part of it, Yeah,
part of it was relying on the Brewin decision, which
requires a historical analog of a gun ban and to
be present. You know that there was a historical analog
in seventeen ninety one to banning guns. Now the prosecutor
the prosecution to to compete with that basically to you know, say, well,
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here's the historical analog, said that laws from the seventeen
hundreds and eighteen hundreds barring the use of dangerous or
unusual weapons. And the judge to that said that those
historical examples only focused on their use of those type
of weapons to terrorize the public, not simply possessing them
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in the first place. So now obviously the use of
it would be different. But I don't think the person
was charged with the use of one of these glocks,
which is rather just the possession of them.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
So I find it. I find it very interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And I actually looked up this judge because I wanted
to make sure that he wasn't making fun of the
Brewin decision and ruling on this to its utmost extreme,
so as to make the Brewin decision unpalatable, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And no, he isn't. He has uh.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
He has been very conservative in his views on even
other things as well. So I don't think that at
the very least, Bill, it's going to expand the debate.
It'll expand the debate and people will be talking about this.
So because I want a glock switch, but I can't,
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I can't have one.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Right when we come back. When we come back, we'll.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Talk about, oh, we've got to talk about breakfast with
the ATF and did I get my bump stock back?
So when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah, stay tuned.
Bill Petterson and I Clark a Potion are your hosts
as always, and we are very pleased to announce that
we also got listed on feed Spot dot org, the
big worldwide rating company for Utah legal podcasts. We are
(30:17):
number two behind National Handle on the Law for as
far as legal stuff, and I found that interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So in fact, speaking of laws that build the hand ringing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Bedwetters in California, my state that I was born in,
are not resting. It's as if they want to be
a different country but still want to be part of
the United States. They have thumbed their nose yet again
at the Heller decision, the McDonald decision, and more recently
the Brewin decision. Senate Bill fifty three, which is going
(30:53):
to go to a floor a floor vote, to the
Senate floor vote, I think next week, Yeah, this coming week.
Senate Bill fifty three prohibits firearms possession in the home
unless the firearms are stored in a firearm safety device
that is approved by the California Department of Justice. Okay,
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it doesn't say if you have kids in the home,
it doesn't say if you have somebody in crisis in
the home. It just says, I mean, you could be
living alone in your van down by the river and
you have to have a approved firearm. Now, this completely
ignores Bruin. It completely adores Heller, which are argued that
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storage requirements to prevent gun owners from easily accessing their
firearms are unconstitutional. Okay, So if that wasn't enough, Assembly
Bill twenty nine seventeen expands upon California's red flag laws.
Time you hear red flag laws, remember there's no due process,
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or the due process is certainly not commensurate with the
taking of a right, especially a right that protects your life.
So what it does is it expands on it to
also consider threats directed towards a group or locations. And
it could be just this. You know, typically you've got
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to have a threat against an individual. You've got to
be able to look them in the eye and you know,
and the judge has to be able to question them
and and ask them about a threat. Now this can
just be towards a group or locations. You can't question
a location when deciding whether or not to issue the order.
And the orders a result in a mandatory.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Five year firearm prohibition.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Now, remember, these people haven't committed a crime, and there
is no court. There's a court ruling, but you don't
even have to be there for it. You know, they
don't even have to tell you about it, and they're
subject to indefinite renewals of these five year prohibitions. Anyway,
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and you know, we always have solace in the fact that, hey,
we could take this to court, and taking it to
court takes money, It takes time, a lot of I mean,
look at the bump stock bill. We were right all
along and it took five years, and which reminds me
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I still don't have my bump stock.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Do you want to hear about that?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, yeah, I mean you met with the ATF this
past week. What happened?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So I had breakfast.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I had breakfast and along myself and along with a
whole bunch of FFL's Federal firem License dealers, a lot
of NF suppressor some in fact, that Fermanian was there
with Silencer Co. And Hawksworks was there, and many other
probably fifteen of us that had breakfast there.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
With the ATF.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
In fact, I came in and Tim with the ATF,
specially agent with the ATF, stood up and says, Clark, oh,
glad to see you here. And I says, great, did
you bring my bump stock? And he said no.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I told him. I says, well, there's another guy in
your office.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Is handling it, but I sure would like it back
because I've got a judge ruler judge's order that says
give it back to me, And so apparently the ATF
is telling me, now there's a procedure that has.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
To be followed to give this item back to you.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
It's a hunk of plastic, folks, And all I'm going
to do with is put it in a shadow box.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I think.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, so anyway, we didn't get to talk about Oh yeah,
we didn't really get to talk about guns and post offices.
But you know, they've been used to be able to
carry a gun into a post office until nineteen seventy two,
but now it's a gun free zone. You ever notice
when you go into a post office it's just a sign.
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There's no metal detectors, and in fact, have you ever
actually looked.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I recommend if you go into a.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Post office often, or if you go into it once
in a while, look around and try to find the
sign which is required under the United States Code, under
the Federal Code of Regulations that it be posted. I
went into a whole bunch in Salt Lake area and
couldn't find one. I finally found one in one of
the post offices. It was a little mentioned back on
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the board, the little information board around by the post
office boxes that sited the United States Code eighteen nine
twenty one.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Anyway, so fourteen years after the band nineteen eighty six,
I think it was, there was one disgruntled post office employee,
I might add, not a citizen, a customer, and he
went on a rampage inside. And this was an Edmund, Oklahoma.
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And I've been to Edmond, Oklahoma. That that you know,
not that that means any difference, but that's where we
got that phrase going postal was from that nineteen eighty
six postal employee.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Now I think better.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yet they had to just say you can't ban guns
at the post office because there's no again historical analog
for it, and the public uses the post office a lot.
If they want to ban employees, well that's one thing.
I don't think that's right either. But so if the
Second Amendment specifically says government cannot infringe upon your right
to keep in bear arms, then why are government owned
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facilities allowed to ban guns.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's a question.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
We have just had it for so long that we
just take it as a FATA company.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Will take care of that eventually, and I'm sure we will.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, all right. Second Amendment Foundation is working on that one.
Have fun, get out, go shooting, clean up after yourself,
and be careful.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You've got to take care of everyone to take care
of hards
This is when we bring in Bill Petterson, when we
say there's no apologies. Bill Petterson, Director Utah Shooting Sports Council,
How are you a very nice shirt you've got on today?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You can tell yeah, I've got my I've got my shirt.
It says make America carving again. I don't know what
it means exactly, but it has something to do with guns.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
If that works. So now I'm going to just apologize upfront.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Clark.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm sitting remotely.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Hang on, I just might finishing. There's no apologies.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, I know, but okay, okay, So don't worry about
the dirt bikes and the side by sides going by,
but they're just it's a beautiful day. Holy cow, people
should be shooting. And I hope they're just streaming this over.
iHeartMedia because what a gorgeous day to be in the outdoors.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I've already been shooting today. I just want you to
know that it was off the back in a test.
It was in test mode. It was in test mode
because I've got to take out. Uh, I've got to
take out again. A little shout out to Kent Barnes.
He is a pilot, a hot air balloon pilot and
he has at least a couple of balloons. It goes
all over the world with him. But there's a thing
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in Vernal called Dinah Sore as in Sore through the clouds,
and they bring a whole bunch of balloons. Include Hey,
even Senator Kurt Bramble's balloon is usually there. So we're
gonna we're gonna go out shooting with him after the
show today, go shoot machine guns.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
So I had to go.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I had to and I'll due diligence test test him
out a little bit off the it perhaps off the
back porch. My brother in law was with with here,
and I said, you know, hey, fire in the hole.
So anyway, so that worked out good. Oh I got
to do another shout out. I got to do another
shout out and this this, this is kind of an
interesting one because but it's he's a gun guy. This
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guy is just a true gun guy, and so it
comes by way up.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I had to go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I had to do my regular physical checkup, blah blah blah,
and everything was fine, except he didn't like my LDL
whatever that means, like he's just making up letters and
that to go along with stuff. So the doc says, oh,
you know, I don't like your LDL blah blah blah.
And so he says, you know, you got to go
work out some more, and.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You have to be a vegan. You have to be
a vegan. And I'm like, wow, what Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He literally said, yeah, you have to be a vegan.
His exact his exact words were cut back on the
rip by steaks and eat something leaner. But you know,
I know what I heard. I know what I heard.
So anyway, So anyway, so I so we've got a
nice little gym over here at ghost ey Manor and
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you into County. Uh that that you know, that's downstairs
and I go to it and I can watch the
TV and all that. But when I'm there in Cottwood Heights,
I don't have a little gym. So I ran over
to EOS EOS Fitness in Murray. It's the big, you know,
they're the big, the big to do and uh, and
I met Chris Mason. Chris Mason, he's the general manager
(03:23):
over at EOS, and go see him. Really no pressure,
fantast I knew what I wanted. So the guy's a
gun guy. Though the guy's guy's I mean he's building guns,
he's uh, you know, shooting him. He's he's, you know,
doing it all. So nice little shout out. Had a
good experience over there when I signed up, and uh,
I think, I'm only I only have to uh uh
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you know with the deal I got, I only have.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
To do this for the next forty years. So and
that's it. Now it's a month month, it's a month
by month. I tell you.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
What, Clark being overd wasn't that where we had that
shooting just a couple of months in the podcast, So
I hope everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, well she was.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
She was a gun gal, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So we're gonna have in second segment, we're gonna have
Jeff Young, executive Officer watch that shooters association. Uh with
some troubling news, some troubling news. We're going to talk
about that. I want to get into uh later in
the show.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Bill. Do you ever feel, when.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You're watching the news or hearing from the media or
something like typically the media, that you are you and
your views on firearms and the Second Amendment are seemingly
so out of touch with the rest of the United States.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Does it ever feel like that to.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You every time we go to commit up on the hill.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, And it kind of feels like, wow, I must
be in like the one percentile of people that feel
the way we do or I do. About the second
Amendment of that well, you know, gallop and who was it?
Marquette University just did a pole and I think you'll
(05:24):
be interested to find out what the results of that
poll are. Amongst our fellow United States Sians, eight machine
guns are back in the nudes. There was a ruling
by Justice John Broomes out of Wichita. He was a
Trump appointee, and it had to do with machine guns.
And I think it's it's pretty interesting. I want to
(05:46):
talk to you about this. I want to get your
thoughts on this bill. So when we do that, let's
see what have we got guns in post office? Can
you carry a gun in the post office?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well not since nineteen seventy one. And there's a group
that is looking to change that. There's a group that's
looking to change that. And we've got oh here's one
for you. Well, you know, we could we could talk
about California anti gun bills. There's a couple, there's three
of them that are coming up for the boat on
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the floor in California, and it just it just shows
you how far the left will go when they are
unheeded by the by opposition party with regards to guns
and apparently oblivious to Supreme Court rulings.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
So you know, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh hey, a little shout out to Randal Doyle who
is at the Crossroads at the West Gun Show right now.
And it's Saturday, nine to five, so that's today. It's
Spanish for fair Grounds and tomorrow nine am to three pm.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Get down there.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's the that's the big gun show Acrossroads, the West
Gun Show. Go say hi to Randall And if we
have any other volunteers at that booth at the Utah
Shooting Sports Council Boots, say hi and drop by there.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Hey Bill, can you uh?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Can you hunt from an airplane or from a helicopter?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Is that you know? If that's legally? You're my hunting guy,
So can we can we do?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I don't think we can do it for el kunting,
but I know down south to what I call South Texas,
some of those areas they do hog hunting out of helicopters.
Really kind of fun. I'd like to kind of go
do that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, okay, so my next So my next question.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Then makes sense because there was a bill that was
proposed a couple of years ago I think it was
a couple of years ago in Texas to allow shooting
hogs from a hot air balloon. Yes, you know why
that would be because the hogs are smart. Well, the
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hogs are smart, and when they're the helicopter rotors, they
hide out of sight. But there are no helicopter rotors
on a hot air balloon, and so you just kind
of float over in your nice peaceful environment.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah you're gone.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well, Bill, I did some research and I cannot find
any restriction on shooting guns.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Hunting may be something different, but shooting guns in an
otherwise lawful area, but you just happen to be above it.
Shooting puns guns from a hot air balloon may in
fact be legal or not restricted anything. It's not restricted,
its legal in other words. So anyway, uh, that and
(08:51):
so much more. When we come back on gun Radio, Utah,
stay tuned some.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
What a beautiful Saturday afternoon. If you're not out shooting
right now, you should be. And I got to say
one of the greatest places to go shoot is up
in Davis County, the Kaysville up in kaswell of the
Davis County Range. And with that said, I am so
glad to have with this. Jeff Young, executive officer of
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the Wassat Shooter Association, Jeff, Welcome to Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Hey, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Wow you bet. Now a lot of things that are
kind of been transpiring up there at the Davis County
Range there that we just got we started getting worried about.
We've heard about this for a couple of weeks, but
then all of a sudden, we got a barrage of
emails into Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org. Are our
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director's email list, tell us a little bit about what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, So we operate under a ten year agreement with
the County of Davis County and we're the Wassatt Shooters Association.
It's previously called the Wassat Shooters Association Range and it's
located in Casell in Davis County. And the way that
it works is the WSA has the range Tuesday nights
after five from five to nine, all day Friday, all
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day Saturday, all day Sunday, and that's when we've been
running it for the public to come up and shoot.
And we've been doing this since the seventies, so we've
got a long track record with working really well with
Davis County. And i'd say about two years ago, the
I believe one of the group causes of the issue
we're having right now is that some federal money was
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loosened up to improve the Bottomville Shoreline Trail, which is
right behind the shooting area in the direction that we shoot.
So there's been signs that have been put up no
trespassing behind the range. People have been you know, you
know it made to go down and around the bottom
of the range and go back up. But with the
federal money, I guess there was a requirement that they're
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not be a lot of slope going down and a
lot of slope going up so that people who were
handicapped pushing baby carts can still use that trail. And
I guess they want to connect it from like the
Salt Lake area as far as they can up toward Ogden.
They make it one continuous trail. So a couple of
years ago, the county came to us with an idea about,
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you know, running another trail from the south side of
our range around the bottom through a lower part of
our range back up to the northern part of the
Bonneville Shoreline Trail. And we didn't talk to the main stakeholder,
which is us because we run this, and they came
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up with an idea about just doing that, and I
guess it would cost about two and a half million
dollars to do that project. Well, if anybody has been
up here, you know that on Bay nine, which is
our furthest southern Shooting Bay, there's a big burn and
then there's a chain link fence that keeps people from
climbing it. And our idea was to continue that fence
line up to the top of the trail and then
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along the eastern side of our property and then put
up a burn and then a fence so people could
not one be shot by anybody at the range. They'd
be behind some dethiel aids, so there's terrain shading, there's
a fence to keep them from climbing up. And then
the county just didn't want any part of that. For
some reason, they figured that talking to the Feds and
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getting approval to push a little dirt and create a
fire break road between an active shooting range. And then
the BLM land up here with some idea that they
didn't think they would buy, but in reality, all they
needed to do is call the FEDS and that would
have been taken tariff. So they've been bouncing back and
forth trying to come up with a plan. They really
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haven't talked to us very well when it came to that.
And then our ten year contract came up earlier this
year to be renewed, and then they kind of vaulked
at the idea of giving us another contract and didn't
started doing like one month extension.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And so okay, let me let me jump in here, Jeff, Yeah, Jeff,
let me jump in here for a second. So because
because we're on the clock on this one, so we're
going to have to get going on. But long story short,
when you say they, is it the is it the
Sheriff's office?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Is it the county commission? And what is commission? What
is the end result? Right now?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay, So the County Commissioner is the issue with the trail.
The Sheriff's department, from what I understand from people within
the Sheriff's Department decided to try to make this a
law enforcement only range, so they use it and have
access to it anytime that we're not up here. So
the gist of it is Chief Deputy O lad is
the one spiritheading this through the Data County shriff Department
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to create conflict with us, the public up here shooting
so that they could complain to the council and then
get them to not renew our contract. So it was
it's kind of a strange situation we find ourselves in.
We've been fighting this. We've had Mitch DilOS helping us.
We've had you know Oda, who's the former centers their
State of Routsaw helping us with our insurance. They made
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a claim weeks ago that our insurance wasn't any good,
so I had to shut it down for a week.
They admitted that it was good, and then they just
decided this week not to renew with us. Now there
is a little confusion because in all the paperwork you'll
see from them, they talk about a four month extension.
You need to know that we operate as a nonprofit.
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We just make enough money to cover what it costs
to run this range and we pay for all of
the Davis County and all of the agencies within Davis County.
When they train here, they use stuff that we bought
from money that we've gotten from the public to run
the public range. So they've never paid anything for anything occurred.
They've never helped us financially. It's all been us. And
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so because they're taken it away from the WSA, we're
going to have to figure a way to pay people
act for annual memberships that we sell, because the annual
membership is what we basically finance everything with daily fees.
Membership fees kind of help, but it's the yearly stuff
that we actually use for keeping it running.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So how many people, how many people use the range?
How many people use.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The right members We've had one hundred here today. I'm
at the range right now. We've had one hundred you
know here today. On match days we could have a
couple hundred people from all over the state and from
other states to come up here and shoot competitions.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Do do instructors public what's that? Do instructors concealed carry instructors?
Safety instructors? On hundred instructors utilize the range?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, I actually owned Utah Tactical Coaching. And I've been
teaching here since twenty ten, and there's about six other
people that were authorized to teach here at the range,
and I became the XO about three years ago, and
and then this problem just kind of fell on us.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But so where are these people going to go?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Now? Who knows? Lee k has been really nice and
has reached out and to take a bunch of our
ros or range officers who volunteer up here. We've got
one hundred and twenty of them right now, and I
guess the large majority will go to Leek to help
out and all the other ranges around. But as far
as the public shooting, they're not going to have any
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option here to shoot. Hopefully they're not going to go
up Farmington Canyon or about Bountiful Canyon and start shooting
TVs and junking at the place and causing fires, because
that's one of the reasons why this range is here
for the public is to keep people from doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, well exactly, and you know speak of the range.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, they legally can go up and shoot in the county,
you know, as long as they're not shooting across roads.
But it may or may not be safe to do so,
as opposed to the range which was safe.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Right, Yeah, because we have a variety of different people
that what can people do from a variety of different
backgrounds that coming here to shoot? And yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
People do anything. Is there social media out there? Is
there a website.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
A website for what ours ISWSA change dot com and
that if you go to the header page right now,
either today or tomorrow, it will be updated and it
will have all the names of the people who who
have been interested or dealing with us from the county
who you know. It's got their emails and phone numbers
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so you can call and in voice your opinion on this. Now,
what I hope that the county does is there's no
going back to the WSA. We're pulling up stakes. We
have to have all of their stuff out by the
end of next week and the thirty first is when
our insurance gets turned off. They have been talking to
match groups and saying that they might be able to
still host match groups up here, which is a good thing.
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I hope they do. But the problem is is these
match groups don't have their proper insurance to do this
by themselves. They would fall secondary underneath the wall set
US Association, and then we would follow any Davis County
without us in the middle, their insurance probably won't be
good enough, and then Davis County will probably have to
ensure that those activities, and I don't know if they're
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you know, the county will approve that and then pay
for insurance specifically for the match groups. What I hope
they do, and this is crossing my fingers, and I
hope they're smart about it, but I hope they use
the PMMA model where they had one guy who've worked
for the county who is up at their range and
who managed it, so they could turn this into a
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county run range, use a county employer three or four
to come up here and be paid to be a range,
offer to run the range, and then they could continue
to have this as a public range. But I know
from people inside Davis County Shriff's department that Chief Oblad,
definitely Chief Oblad wanted to make this a law enforcement
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only range. So if they shift to the public, they're
actual bending to the will of the people who are calling.
So I suggest everybody reach out to the County Commission.
And it does help and it will hopefully bring back
public shooting at this range here.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
All right, well, Jeff, and we've been listening to UH
to Jeff Young, executive ausficer Wassatt Shooters Association talking about
the wasat range the Davis County, you know, owned by
Davis County, and so find them on Facebook and UH
on the website and that and reach out if you
have strong feelings one way or the others, reach out
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to the Davis Davis County.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So I appreciate it. Will you please keep us advised of.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Anything that that transpires, anything that knew that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I will. But the Facebook page that shows Wassatt Shooters
Association is not related to the range at all. Somebody
just made that.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh okay, all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
The website is the way to contact us and that'll
have the information on it. So thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
And what's tell us that website again, w s A.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Range dot com.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Fantastic, Jeff Young, Executive Officer, wes Haide shoot Association. When
we come back on Gun Radio, Utah, lots more to come.
I am transmitting live from ghost Eime Manor and beautiful
you went to county today and Bill you are transmitting
live from from where from a hot air Ballum.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I don't have them, No, I don't. I gotta guess
I'd better come up with the name for this place.
But I'm in Well, let's put it this way. I'm
up on the upper Weber Summit County. How's that we'll
put it out?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Is that Weber?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Is that Weber, Weber, Weberber Weber Grill? Hey, Bill, So
you've had guns. Uh, you've taken guns into the gunsmith
a sportsman's warehouse before, haven't you? Absolutely okay, And we're
happy with the way the work they did. Okay, So uh,
and I have too, And I constantly I'll pick up
(20:59):
a gun and I'll drop off a gun and so anyway,
if you have a gun that you're hoping to use
this fall for hunting, it probably needs to be in
there today.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Over to the gunsmith.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
If you need some work on it, if you need
repair work, if you need a refinishing, if you need
stock work, customizing it, if machining work is what you need,
if you need it, you know, the threads put on
the barrel, you know, for a muzzle breaker or a suppressor,
just need an inspection. Whenever you need the Sarah cooding
(21:34):
or engraving or whatever, get it over to the gunsmith
at Sportsmen's Warehouse. They're located at sixteen thirty South fifty
seventy West in Salt Lake City. You can give them
a call at eight oh one three zero four eighty
seventy or take it into any of the over one
hundred and forty over one hundred and forty five Sportsmen's
Warehouse locations and tell them to get this to the
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gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Bill Like I had, we had mentioned.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Before about how do you feel when when you listen
to the media or they'll interview somebody, and it seems
like gun owners, especially gun owners, that the way we
feel about the Second Amendment, the right to keeping bear arms,
that kind of thing, we feel that we're so out
of touch, we're in the such the minority in that thought. Well,
(22:25):
this is why it was very heartening to read an
article that involved Marquette University Law School in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
which they revealed a super majority in the United States
supports a right to carry firearms in public for self defense.
So this is not hunting, this is not just in
(22:45):
your home. This is out and about so, and they
compared it has that gone up or down in the
last two years? So people in this poll, and this
was a big pole. They were questioned on a range
of opinions about everything from US institutions, the media, the
(23:08):
Supreme Court. One of the questions that this is one
of the questions I picked out, they said to the
participants in the study. The Supreme Court in twenty twenty
two ruled that, subject to some restrictions, the Second Amendment
protects an individual's right to carry a handgun for self
defense outside the home. How much do you favor or
(23:29):
oppose this decision? Two years ago? It was great news.
Then too sixty four percent strongly favored or somewhat favored.
In other words, it broke the line they favored it
either strongly or somewhat, And now two years later it's
up sixty nine percent. This is a direct This is
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an exact opposite of what we have been led to believe.
We have been told that America the public doesn't want
people carrying hidden guns and that we should rely on
law enforcement for self defense.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
What do you think about this? You think that's pretty good?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, what I think is those are probably some of
the questions or statistics that the media doesn't even want
us to hear, so they're not able going to share
that with us in the first place.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Oh, oh, bill, oh bill?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Speaking of the media, can I can I interject something?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
So they asked, they asked questions regarding the government and
the national news media, okay. For the presidency in the
last two years, thirty two percent said that they agreed
a great deal or quite a lot with the presidency, okay,
(24:51):
or had faith in it. For Congress, it was thirteen percent.
For the media, do they favor or approve doing? Twelve
percent approved, gone out. So yeah, I don't think you're
going to see this Marquette University story in the media anytime,
(25:12):
anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
So what have we got on time? Oh? Now, we're
doing great? Uh do you want to Should we talk
about the machine gun thing?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's kind of interesting. Yeah, let's let's we got a
few minutes here to cover that.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, I found it interesting, and I'm not sure.
So there was a in twenty eighteen. UH US District
Judge John Broomes out of Wichita, Kansas. He was appointed
by Trump in twenty eighteen to the bench, and he
made a ruling this last week.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And I got to tell you, I think it's the first.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Time that a judge US District Court judge has made
such a ruling. What it what it dealt with was
there was an individual that was hought and arrested for
having a machine gun. Now, this machine gun was actually,
I mean it is a machine guy guys a glock
(26:11):
pistol switch. So the glock switch, okay, a g switch whatever.
And the judge ruled that it was that the National
Firearms Act in nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Did not.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That that made machine guns a registered item and you know,
basically completely banned any possession of newly acquired machine guns
after May of eighty six by by regular folks. He
said that it did not meet that that band did
(26:53):
not have an historical analog and so that so that
he he threw the case out against this person. Your
thoughts on this bill, Well, that could go.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
A number of different directions. When I first read the article,
it's like, oh my, this this is a new interpretation
of a machine gun, first of all, and it was
also referring to how that it's it doesn't coincide with
the well with the Constitution's Second Amendment rights for an
(27:33):
individual to own a machine gun. So I'm looking at
this going I'm not sure if it'll stand on its
own merit, but it was interesting that the judge ordered
the or the courts ordered, you know, for him to
be able to get his gun back. And I thought,
(27:55):
that's going to be interesting because if it even I
don't know, maybe well this should this follow under Bruin.
I mean, I'm not sure what the thought produce.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, and that's well, I think part of it, Yeah,
part of it was relying on the Brewin decision, which
requires a historical analog of a gun ban and to
be present. You know that there was a historical analog
in seventeen ninety one to banning guns. Now the prosecutor
the prosecution to to compete with that basically to you know, say, well,
(28:28):
here's the historical analog, said that laws from the seventeen
hundreds and eighteen hundreds barring the use of dangerous or
unusual weapons. And the judge to that said that those
historical examples only focused on their use of those type
of weapons to terrorize the public, not simply possessing them
(28:49):
in the first place. So now obviously the use of
it would be different. But I don't think the person
was charged with the use of one of these glocks,
which is rather just the possession of them.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
So I find it. I find it very interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And I actually looked up this judge because I wanted
to make sure that he wasn't making fun of the
Brewin decision and ruling on this to its utmost extreme,
so as to make the Brewin decision unpalatable, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And no, he isn't. He has uh.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
He has been very conservative in his views on even
other things as well. So I don't think that at
the very least, Bill, it's going to expand the debate.
It'll expand the debate and people will be talking about this.
So because I want a glock switch, but I can't,
(29:45):
I can't have one.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Right when we come back. When we come back, we'll.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Talk about, oh, we've got to talk about breakfast with
the ATF and did I get my bump stock back?
So when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah, stay tuned.
Bill Petterson and I Clark a Potion are your hosts
as always, and we are very pleased to announce that
we also got listed on feed Spot dot org, the
big worldwide rating company for Utah legal podcasts. We are
(30:17):
number two behind National Handle on the Law for as
far as legal stuff, and I found that interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So in fact, speaking of laws that build the hand ringing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Bedwetters in California, my state that I was born in,
are not resting. It's as if they want to be
a different country but still want to be part of
the United States. They have thumbed their nose yet again
at the Heller decision, the McDonald decision, and more recently
the Brewin decision. Senate Bill fifty three, which is going
(30:53):
to go to a floor a floor vote, to the
Senate floor vote, I think next week, Yeah, this coming week.
Senate Bill fifty three prohibits firearms possession in the home
unless the firearms are stored in a firearm safety device
that is approved by the California Department of Justice. Okay,
(31:17):
it doesn't say if you have kids in the home,
it doesn't say if you have somebody in crisis in
the home. It just says, I mean, you could be
living alone in your van down by the river and
you have to have a approved firearm. Now, this completely
ignores Bruin. It completely adores Heller, which are argued that
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storage requirements to prevent gun owners from easily accessing their
firearms are unconstitutional. Okay, So if that wasn't enough, Assembly
Bill twenty nine seventeen expands upon California's red flag laws.
Time you hear red flag laws, remember there's no due process,
(32:03):
or the due process is certainly not commensurate with the
taking of a right, especially a right that protects your life.
So what it does is it expands on it to
also consider threats directed towards a group or locations. And
it could be just this. You know, typically you've got
(32:24):
to have a threat against an individual. You've got to
be able to look them in the eye and you know,
and the judge has to be able to question them
and and ask them about a threat. Now this can
just be towards a group or locations. You can't question
a location when deciding whether or not to issue the order.
And the orders a result in a mandatory.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Five year firearm prohibition.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Now, remember, these people haven't committed a crime, and there
is no court. There's a court ruling, but you don't
even have to be there for it. You know, they
don't even have to tell you about it, and they're
subject to indefinite renewals of these five year prohibitions. Anyway,
(33:10):
and you know, we always have solace in the fact that, hey,
we could take this to court, and taking it to
court takes money, It takes time, a lot of I mean,
look at the bump stock bill. We were right all
along and it took five years, and which reminds me
(33:30):
I still don't have my bump stock.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Do you want to hear about that?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, yeah, I mean you met with the ATF this
past week. What happened?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So I had breakfast.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I had breakfast and along myself and along with a
whole bunch of FFL's Federal firem License dealers, a lot
of NF suppressor some in fact, that Fermanian was there
with Silencer Co. And Hawksworks was there, and many other
probably fifteen of us that had breakfast there.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
With the ATF.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
In fact, I came in and Tim with the ATF,
specially agent with the ATF, stood up and says, Clark, oh,
glad to see you here. And I says, great, did
you bring my bump stock? And he said no.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I told him. I says, well, there's another guy in
your office.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Is handling it, but I sure would like it back
because I've got a judge ruler judge's order that says
give it back to me, And so apparently the ATF
is telling me, now there's a procedure that has.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
To be followed to give this item back to you.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
It's a hunk of plastic, folks, And all I'm going
to do with is put it in a shadow box.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I think.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, so anyway, we didn't get to talk about Oh yeah,
we didn't really get to talk about guns and post offices.
But you know, they've been used to be able to
carry a gun into a post office until nineteen seventy two,
but now it's a gun free zone. You ever notice
when you go into a post office it's just a sign.
(35:03):
There's no metal detectors, and in fact, have you ever
actually looked.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I recommend if you go into a.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Post office often, or if you go into it once
in a while, look around and try to find the
sign which is required under the United States Code, under
the Federal Code of Regulations that it be posted. I
went into a whole bunch in Salt Lake area and
couldn't find one. I finally found one in one of
the post offices. It was a little mentioned back on
(35:31):
the board, the little information board around by the post
office boxes that sited the United States Code eighteen nine
twenty one.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Anyway, so fourteen years after the band nineteen eighty six,
I think it was, there was one disgruntled post office employee,
I might add, not a citizen, a customer, and he
went on a rampage inside. And this was an Edmund, Oklahoma.
(36:01):
And I've been to Edmond, Oklahoma. That that you know,
not that that means any difference, but that's where we
got that phrase going postal was from that nineteen eighty
six postal employee.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Now I think better.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yet they had to just say you can't ban guns
at the post office because there's no again historical analog
for it, and the public uses the post office a lot.
If they want to ban employees, well that's one thing.
I don't think that's right either. But so if the
Second Amendment specifically says government cannot infringe upon your right
to keep in bear arms, then why are government owned
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facilities allowed to ban guns.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's a question.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
We have just had it for so long that we
just take it as a FATA company.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Will take care of that eventually, and I'm sure we will.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, all right. Second Amendment Foundation is working on that one.
Have fun, get out, go shooting, clean up after yourself,
and be careful.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You've got to take care of everyone to take care
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