Gun Radio Utah: Cops vs. Lawfully Armed Citizens; How to know if you're getting better

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome, of course, to Gun Radio Utah, and we are
once again sons. Bill Petterson, director of Utah Shooting Sports Council.
Because he's sick. He has casey. Jane says, uh toil,
he has a man called and uh so apparently he
just texted me and he said that the doctor put

(00:21):
him on a new drug called triglock.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Again.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
So anyway, that's uh, we could cue Danny, just cue
the laugh track on that one. So anyway, all right,
we've got a heck of a show for you today. Yes,
our good friend John Lott, friend of Gun Radio Utah,
will be in studio and.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We'll be asking him a question.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Okay, cops versus folks like us, regular folks that just
happened to carry a gun everywhere we go and go places.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
What's the what are the numbers? How many?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
How many cops versus how many armed lowfuly armed citizens?
And when it comes to active shooters or shootings, who
is there and who? What are the numbers on bad
guys getting shot by good guys versus bad guys getting

(01:16):
shot by good guys who are cops? And how many
are injured in the process, so on and so forth.
So he has done some fantastic research on that, and
he's going to be talking I hope we're going to
be talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's kind of up to him what he wants to
talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
So in addition, so I just got done teaching thirty
some odd people. I think we fired off I don't know,
like two thousand rounds of AMMO this morning, starting at
nine o'clock up at the Beautiful Bountiful Lions Club Range.
If you haven't been to the Beautiful Lions Club Range
in Bountiful, it's up by the Big B by the

(01:53):
Big B on the mountain and it's Bountiful, and you
drive up that, you just go straight up east to
you can't go any farther. And the range is great.
They've got rifle, pistol trap and a nice little meeting
room and everything is great. And so I had we
were training for a client there today. Oh A big
shout out to John John who happened to be on

(02:13):
the range. He's a listener of gun Radio Utah. He
was blasting the center out of his target and you
could tell very easily because he had those little shoot
and see targets. You know where you hit them, and
they kind of splatter, not splatter, but you know, they
make a much bigger indication that you hit the target
than if it were just plain paper. So anyway, we
did that and everybody was safe. We had lots of

(02:37):
gunfire going off. But it reminds me of this, and
I tell them this all the time, a lot of them.
The only time in some of my clients that or
for this big group, is the only time they actually
handle their firearm, let alone train with it is during

(02:57):
the qualification. And the qualification isn't training, it's just to
see what you got. Let's see if you can get
a good enough score to continue with your employment as
a professional gun carrier doing stuff. I won't tell you
what they do, but anyway, so and you don't have
to go to the range all the time. In fact,
I'm always telling folks dry practice, dry practice, do everything

(03:22):
you do you can do it without AMMO, and then
go to the range, and of course you know, definitely shoot.
I mean, why have a gun if you're not going
to blast away at stuff. But if you want to
get good at anything, get that dry practice going, get
your good instruction, know what you're doing, and then presentation
from the holster to the target, to multiple targets that trigger,

(03:44):
press essential, you know, hard focus on the front site,
take that slack out and I always say, sits up,
slack out, hard focus on the front site and press
that trigger so it doesn't move that front site.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And can you and how do you know if you're
getting better? Though? How do you know if you just
keep doing that? I can And again it looks like,
you know, how.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, how about timing yourself? How about that way you
can instantly tell? And so shot timers generally, I mean,
they're they're okay, they're great, they're they they work for
you know, actual gunfire. Not as good for dry fire
because there's nothing you know, you're dry fire. Let's not

(04:30):
be actually firing and get the shot timer to go
off in your house. But we're gonna have a guy,
uh Juan la Louse who made It's it's albeit it's
a very simple program that you can put on your phone,
but my gosh, it's it would be fantastic just to
use this simple program to help you train like a
shot timer and has part times and we'll explain that,

(04:54):
but I want him to come on. I think second
segment is that is that I can actually see one
right now?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Is that good?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Second segment? Okay, that's good? All right, So excited about that.
And now I'll tell you where kind of where the
recommendation came from when we come back. All right, what
do we got on that? We're doing great, we're going
to talk about well, we're going to talk about that.
Oh I am headed so next Saturday for gun Radio Utah.

(05:22):
If if Bill doesn't have the rona anymore whatever, he's
got the ebola and we're either going to be we're
either going to be live in studio or we're going
to be up in Price, I should say over in Price, Utah,
about two hours up from here at the what's it
called the Hornady Hunter Challenge thing. So I got invited

(05:46):
to this, to the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Big there's
gonna be like two hundred either vendors or participants out
to one thousand I think it's out to one thousand
yards at least nine hundred yards, but somewhere between two
hundred nine hundred yards. We're going to take some legislators
out there, get them an opportunity to see the to
see the North Springs Shooting Range. They're in Price and

(06:07):
do some shooting and that too, and ideally, if it
works out, we'll do the broadcast from there. I think
we're gonna be there Friday, and I guess we may
hold over until Saturday. I gotta check with Nephi Cole
with NSSF and find out if we can do that.
If not, then there's another chance that will be at
the Crossroads of the West Gun Show at the Weaber
Event Center up in Ogden this Saturday. So even if

(06:29):
we're not there, you should go. It's Saturday Sunday. I
think it's nine am to five Saturday, nine to four
on Sunday. But it's the Crossroads of the West Gun
Show up there in Ogden. It's always a nice, nice
litt gun show at the Weber Event Center and you
can look that.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Up, all right, So we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I also want to talk if hopefully we'll have time
to bring up a Sig Sour in the news again.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
So I'm still a fan of Sig Sour.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
My gun has been and my three twenty has been
sitting there, has not gone off.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It has behaved itself very nicely.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I put it in and out of the holster and
all sorts of stuff, and it just it does not
seem to have a mind of its own.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
That or it is very well mannered. But a lot
of folks are.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well mostly I think it's law enforcement, but they have
as a group, the biggest group is probably law enforcement
other than the military. They say their guns are just
going off in the holster. They look at them wrong,
and they just go off in their holster. We're not
talking about the guns being dropped or anything like that.
And SIG has lost at least one, maybe two lawsuits

(07:39):
out of like forty or.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Something, so I think it's pretty good odd.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
And remember the evidentiary standard on a civil case is
much less. So we're going to talk about that and
what the hand ringing bedwetters are up in arms about
in Washington over what do the police do with the

(08:04):
guns that they aren't going to use anymore? These six
hour p three twenties that they aren't going to do
and use anymore? Are they so dangerous they need to
crumble them up into uh into little pieces of gun parts?
And so I'll have a it's a story out of
their uh kingfive dot com. Their their their local news

(08:24):
out there, and I don't know. I just I think
it's kind of interesting. Anyway, when we come back, we're
gonna have Wan La lous on with I can't remember.
He'll tell you all about it. But it's a really
cool thing that you need to download. So we'll be
right back on Gun Radio Utah. Stay tuned. Perusing the interwebs,
and I saw a note from uh from a good

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friend of the show and a and a good friend
for many many years, Larry Korea. And Larry is a
all right, let me see what that just said here.
I just I just happen to get like an important okay, good, no,
all right, important to text message.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Larry is a shooter, he's.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
A an author, he's an all around good guy, very
gun good gun guy.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
He's got to range there.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
And he gave a recommendation for this with this new
app that's in I guess.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's in production stages. I don't know what to call it, but.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
That a guy named Juan La Loose came up with
and one Welcome to gun Radio Utah. I want to
talk about this interesting albeit simple application.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Hey Clark, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, So this app I downloaded it it was very simple,
and it's in when I say production stages, what does that?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
What do I mean by that? What is that?

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Testing is probably more accurate. I'm trying to get enough
people to download it and use it through the testing
portions where I can actually just get it put into
the Google Play Store, and they're pretty cranky about it,
so they want a large volume of people to download
it before they will let you go to I guess

(10:10):
broad production, but.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean if it's on Google Play.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
It also means for the most part, it's safe to download,
because we're always a little wary of downloading something. But
but I had, you know, zero problems. It didn't click
up any warnings or you know, this has you know,
any problems with it. But I'm amazed at how simple
it is for dry fire training. Tell tell me what
it does and why you came up with this.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
So basically, it gives you the ability to set a
start and stop time that are audible signals, and so
you can use that for any of your dry fire
training like draw to first shot or transitioning across target arrays,
kind of anything that you can do with your dry
fire practice. This gives you timing markers, so you know

(10:58):
what kind of timing when I know you're accomplishing it
in and then if you want to try and work
on your speed, you can reduce that window. It also
gives you the ability to delay the start or do
a random start so you don't get used to the
same start signal time and you're not jumping it. You
can set it to loop a fixed amount of times,
or you can set it to loop indefinitely, so if

(11:21):
you just want to keep going until you're tired or
you're burned out on whatever technique or skill you're working on.
I originally came up with it because I work at
a police academy and I am teaching recruits firearms. I'm
working with multiple agencies, and some of those agencies spend

(11:42):
a lot of time with their recruits at the range
before they ever get to the academy.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Some of them do not, and so to.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Try and level the playing field a little bit, for
the first six weeks of the academy, I put them
on a really stringent dry fire program. When I started
getting them to do timing, I would just tell them
to go to the you know, the Apple store or
the Google store and find a app that would let
you do it. But the problem was is all the
apps that I was telling them to look for would come,

(12:12):
they would go, they'd get pulled down, or they'd get updated,
or they were like, hey, you can use this thirty
days and then you have to pay us. And I
just wanted to create something super simple that was free,
that didn't require any permissions, had no ads, and I
was gonna not just give it to the recruits, but
I was going to give it to anybody, like if
if you want it free, it's yours. You know, I

(12:35):
hope that it helps you.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Oh no, go yeah, yeah. So I've been I've been
trying it out. And so I have a variety of
different head ear felt or what ear protection, So lots
of the different the axles and the and the and
the over the ear type, all sorts of stuff. And
the new ones I get have bluetooth on it. So
what's neat is not only can I use this in

(13:02):
dry fire practice, but via the bluetooth, because I can
hear the beeps, the start beap, and you can randomize,
like you said, the randomize the start beat for you know,
you know, one second or instant or two, three, four, seconds,
and then you can have the part time, which means
if you didn't get done the drill that you wanted

(13:23):
to get done before the beep, now you know how much.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Now you know that you've got to do it.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
But previous to that, when I've got good air protection on,
I can't hear the beep sometimes because I am kind
of deaf. Also, I can't hear that beep if it's
just external. But now it's going right through via my phone,
right through my bluetooth on my headphones. Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, I didn't really even think about it like that,
because you can, I guess raise the volume as far
as your phone will go. But much like you, after
being on a range for about twenty or thirty years,
my hearing's not what it used to be either.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, And I got to tell you, so, how do
we how do they download this?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
What do they do to get this? To get this on?

Speaker 4 (14:11):
So the short answer is, I just put up a
blog post on my website. It is green doog llc
dot com g r A y dog llc dot com.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
You're gonna have to.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Email me with a Gmail address and I'll put you
in the testing list. I probably have room for about
another one hundred testers, but if I get more than that,
I can also just set the app as a downloadable
that you can load into your phone. Only works on
Android right now, and I apologize for that, but my

(14:43):
programming skill is the level of I went into.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
An AI and said, how do I make an app
that does this? And then when it spat out a
bunch of stuff, I went.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
No, No, pretend like I'm five years old and I'm dumb,
and start from there. I'm not even kidding, like that's
how I coded it.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I did a great did a great job. Gray Dog
g r a y Graydog llc dot com will get
you to.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
We'll get you this.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Then send him an email, send one an email and
it's real simple. He just sends your link back. You
click on it and bidding, bang boom, It's done. And
what I'm hoping for is that people will use this
as a as a kickstart to start their dry practice training. Remember, folks,
what Clark tells you to do in your dry practice.

(15:30):
Take the amo out of the room. Okay, take the
ammunition out of the room. And then you know, I'm
going to tell you another little thing I do with
dry practice is this way you can dry practice anywhere
without having a problem. Stick up little post it notes,
and if you want a little bit more precision then
you know, make a little dot with a marker on

(15:52):
the post it note at various different areas around the roll.
When you're done with your dry practice, take the post
it note votes down. The reason for that is those
were targets, and now your dry practice is done. You
load your weapon up again, and you just happen to
be walking through the house the next day, the post

(16:13):
it notes are out and you say, hey, I'll get
in a little dry practice and boom, So take away it.
Just it. It literally has happened to a really famous person,
Not me, but a really famous person that you would
instantly know their name in that very thing. So take
the post it notes down. But I think it's an
awesome idea, and I'm actually going to actually I haven't

(16:35):
done it yet, but I will do it with the
bluetooths during live fire on the range and try that
out because my pack timer just doesn't you know, I
can't hear it all the time, especially if there's other
shooters around, but my bluetooth on my headphones will pick
that up.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Okay, so what do we got?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Gray Dog LLC dot com. I got to tell you,
I really like it's it's so simple though.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's such a simple basic thing. It's free. There's no ads,
and I don't know how long how long will that last?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
You're not you're not going to have an ad for
Monster Hunter International from Larry Korea or something like that
on there.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Larry hasn't contacted me about that. I don't think he
needs a lot of extra hype. He's doing pretty good.
But my plan is to make this like free in perpetuity,
with not trying to cram anything down anybody's throat. I
literally just want people to get better at shooting, and
one of the cheapest and easiest ways to do it
is dry fire. It doesn't cost you anything but a
little bit of time as long as you do it

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properly and safely.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
And I don't have to tell you, I know you know.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
You can do a whole ton of dry fire a
little bit of live fire, and your skill level can
get really really high from doing that. I've known guys
who hit master and Grand Master levels probably from like
ninety nine percent drive fire and a little bit of
live fire unreal how far you can get.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I see it all the time.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
When I say all the time, at least on a
monthly basis, I'll have somebody that cannot qualify, that cannot
even get eighty percent on a real a fairly basic
shooting test. They cannot get eighty percent. And then we
then overnight with just dry practice, and I give them
some dry practice skills I called the wall drill and
some other trigger drills and that kind of stuff dry practicing.

(18:27):
Overnight they shoot a hundred percent. Literally overnight, they shoot
one hundred percent. And those that didn't believe me with
their dry practice drills in that, you know, are still
shooting poorly or not as good as they want to.
So you can go on Loue online as well download
some PDFs of some dry practice drills and peruse through

(18:50):
them and take a look at them. But I think
this is a great thing. Dry or no Gray Dog
LLC dot com. And one thank you for being on
Gun Radio.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Utah, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I know.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Bum all right.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Until next time, which is the third segment, we're gonna
have doctor John Lott on with Crimeresearch dot Org and
uh talking about cops and and regular folks and shootings,
which is all the stuff that we that we talk about.
All right when we come back on Gun Radio Utah,
stay tuned the before the thing ended, before the the

(19:27):
bumper stuff ended. And it reminded me Clint Eastwood is
making a new movie, and I hope it'll be gun stuff.
I don't care Western or or you know, the police
kind of thing. But I should have queued up that
that that clip where it says, did I fire six shots.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Or only five? Hart?

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, And so he's in downtown San Francisco and they're
shooting and that, and obviously he's it's just the cops
in San Francisco that have the guns and the bat
and the bad guys. And because that's who you call
when somebody has a gun, you have to that's the
conventional wisdom.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
You call the cops.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
They show up, they take care of everything, and they
get back in their patrol cars and they go away
and everything is honky dory. Doctor Lott, welcome back to
Gun Radio, Utah. You have a different take on that, though,
don't you.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Well, I guess so.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
One of the reasons why we decided to go and
do this study was particularly in the last couple of
years after the Brewing decision.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
There's been a.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Lot of TV cop show which show concealed care permit
holders either shooting the wrong person or getting in the
way of the police doing their job, or having the
gun taken away from them, and we wanted to try
to get an idea of how frequently those types of
things happen, and so we looked at all the active

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shooting cases as defined by the These are attacks that
occur in public and not part of some other type
of crime like a robbery or a gang fight over
drug turf, anything from one person being shot at and
missed all the way up to a mass public shooting,
and so we wanted to see how often do those
things occur, and I think we found a lot of

(21:21):
surprising stuff there. One thing is we found that civilians
actually stop these active shooting attacks at a higher rate
than police do. And there's one thing that people I
think have to understand, and that is when the officer
is in uniform, it really gives tactical advantages to the

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attackers in these cases. If you see if you're going
to attack a place and you see an officer there
in uniform. You can either wait for the officer to
leave the area before you attack, or you can move
on to another at yourself. Both of those lower the
odds that police are going to be able to be
there to stop the attack. The other thing, just to mention,

(22:09):
is we only have six hundred and seventy thousand full
time law enforcement in the country. You know, maybe a
third at most are on duty at a point in time.
And you know, for two hundred and thirty thousand or
two hundred and twenty some thousand to go and protect
three hundred and forty million people, that's asking a lot.

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By contrast, there's twenty one point five million concealed carry
permit holders, and on top of that, they're twenty nine
constitutional carry states, including Utah. So you know, we've done
surveys about seven point two percent of vote likely voters

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say they carry all or.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Almost all the time.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Another eight percent say they carry at least some of
the time. So you know, that's over fifteen percent of
the adult population. So the odds that you're going to
have someone there, someone that the attacker won't know is
there is relatively high, I suppose. And the other thing
is people have to appreciate what a dangerous job an

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officer has when they're in uniform.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know, if the.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
Attacker decides that they're still going to attack even though
the officer is there, who do you think they take
out first? Because the officer is the one person they
know for sure has a gun. And what we find
is that is that police are who stop these attacks
are seven times more likely to end up being killed

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than concealed carry permit holders are.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's amazing, seven times more likely to be killed than
permit holders in the same situation.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Right, And we've tried to control for lots of things,
like you know, what type of weapon the attacker had,
how many attackers there were, whether the attacker had body
armor or had other types of weapons with them, where
the attack occurred, you know, did this occurred to school

(24:24):
or a business or someplace else. We have all that
data in there, and even and and just and also
account for the number of civilians who are killed or injured.
But even after you account for all those things in
order to get some idea of the amount of planning
that went in and and and the lethality of the attack,

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you still find that police officers are much more likely
to end up getting killed than civilians do. And and
also more civilians are killed in attacks that police stopped
than when Sylvillian stop And that gets back to the
earlier points, and that is the police are less likely

(25:07):
to be there right on the scene.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Okay, so I have a question, just one. Well, I
have a few questions as well. There will be many
questions anyway. How about they always say that permit holders, no,
permit holders should not engage because you're going to shoot
the wrong person, You're gonna shoot innocent people. How are
the numbers between cop shooting innocent people and permit holders.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, that was something that was very interesting. Again, if
you watch the TV cop shows, it's kind of like
the Savillians are always accidentally shooting by standards.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
And.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
When police are involved, there's four times that they accidentally
killed somebody and two of them were actually other police officers.
And in the Savillian case, there's one time where they
shot and wounded somebody else. So both of those are

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small numbers, they're not statistically significantly different from each other.
But even after you account for all the other factors
that I was mentioning before, you still find that that
at least even though it's not statistically significant. Police actually
shoot the wrong person more often.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Have they ever shot the wrong person who was actually
a permit holder because they had a gun. Did they
shoot that person? You know, because we're here, we hear
if you pull a gun out or and a cop
shows up and they don't know what's going on, they're
going to shoot you, even though you were trying to
save the day.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Right. Well, so, h.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
There are two cases that occurred after the attacks had
already long ended, when the police showed up and they
asked shot the permit holder. One was in Colorado Springs, Colorado,
where the permit holder had actually ended the attack, had

(27:12):
stopped the attack and was just standing around. Apparently minutes
had gone by, and the police showed up and they
shot the permit holder and killed him. And you had
something similar happen at a mall in Alabama. But those

(27:32):
those are the two cases.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I know when I was at shot Show last time,
they had these little sashes that they recommend. There's a
company selling these brightly colored kind of like a crossing
guard sash that they wanted permit holders to wear and
if they ever had to bring their gun out, they
would put this sash on yes, ok, And it said

(27:55):
something like, you know, permit holder or a good guy
or something I don't know, And I thought, that's what
we've come through. We have to wear a sash. I
want a big s on mine though on the Chester
or I don't know anyway, Uh, doctor Locke Jack, I
want you One, I want you to stay over for
the next segment. And two where can people go to

(28:16):
to find out more and to click the donate button?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Please? I know I'm bringing it up not you, but
that's how we fund this thing.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Well, I appreciate people can go to our website at
crimeresearch dot org crimeresearch dot org and at the very
top of the page there is a link to the
study that we put together. Really, I think people, well
when they read it will be amazed how much work
we put into this, just kind of getting the data

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together and stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
All your studies are extremely well what I want to
call them backed up? What's I know there's another better
word in the in the well documented well back to whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
The word is.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
It sounds fine, you know, there's footnotes and all that,
but yeah, you can actually download the entire thing.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
It's like thirty pages of good solid reading. All right.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
When we come back on gun Radio, Utah got lots
more to come, stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I don't care. There's no apologies. That's my crosstalk and
that's what we got.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
And speaking of no apologies, have you heard of the
group Moms Demands Some Action or something like that.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I don't know what it is. Every Town for Gun Safety.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
They had a guy speaking at their Pennsylvania rally up
at the Capitol and they'd bring all these people in
and they're hand ringing and wetting themselves and they get
this guy up and it's a you know, media outlets
are covering it happened back in February of this year.

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And what was his name, Calvin Polacheck, Calvin Polarcheck stood
up on the podium with his Mom's Demand some Action
shirt and that and said that when he was a
high school in Pennsylvania, he lost people in a school shooting,
including saying that his best friend was lying in a
pool of blood next to him.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
And and you know that that got a lot of
you know, a lot of play. You know, it's Pennsylvania shooting.
The only problem is none of that was true. It
never happened. The School District said that didn't happen. The

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police department, Dallas Township Police Department, which was over that,
said that the statements made at the rally.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Are entirely false.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
So I guess if you can't have a true narrative
that that that that speaks to people, let's just get
another false narrative, because that's actually what these groups have
been doing all along.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
John, you and I were just talking about.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Suppressors and that and suppressors for those that well, one
they call them silencers, and they know, you know, these
groups know what the actual correct terminology is just as
well as we do. But why would they use the
term silencer rather than suppressor Because it plays on the

(31:24):
people that don't It plays on the fears of the
people that don't know about these that don't realize that
the sound of one of these guns going off like
an ar is akin to what John, what did they say?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Oh, well, I mean with a suppressor on it.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah, people can look it up on rock or whatever themselves.
I actually put up a post on our website at
crimeresearch dot org about this. So an air fifteen or
a nine millimeter is the equivalent of being right nearby
a jackhammer.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
So very quiet, and they play on this yea, so.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well they make it sound like, you know, criminals will
be able to fire their guns and nobody will even
know that they fired them. Yeah, so I mean, so
you know, anyway, it's.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Just I mean, there are plenty of suppressors out there
that literally the presser company will tell you these are
not hearing safe. You still need to wear hearing protection. Oh,
which brings me up. There's a company now I can't
remember the name of, but we're going to have them on.
You think suppressors do help with recoil and muzzle rise

(32:34):
and that kind of stuff. And there's a guy out
of Utah and engineer that I want to get him
on next week. That makes a muzzle break for suppressors. Anyway,
Texas House, I wanted to talk about this. How much
time we got, you know, we got some time. Texas
House passes a bill to legalize short barreled firearms. Well,
what they did is it was already legal to have

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sought off shotguns, sought off rifle if it was registered
with the NFA. You pay your two hundred dollars tax
stamp and your fingerprints and photographs and so on and
so forth. But it was also legal if you did that,
but it was illegal if you didn't. So long story short,
Texas passed the law that said, you know what, it's

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not illegal anymore to have a short borild rifle or shotgun,
except you still have to comply with federal law. Well
what if federal law changes and we take things like
short world rifles or sbr SBS's other NFA items like
suppressors off of that, Well, there's some unintended consequences, folks

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that you don't realize. There's about eight or nine states.
I'll get the list next week. I don't have it
right now, but aight or nine states out there that say, yeah,
you can have a suppressor, you can have a short
world shotgun er short breld rifle as long as it
is registered with the NFA.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
It must be.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
So if you take away that, now you've got a
problem in the law. And whilst people will say, well,
we know what they meant, and the legislature will just
change it then to say you can have that.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Except if you look at these states.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
And when those laws were written, the states were much
redder or conservative, and now, especially in these East Coast states,
they are very We're talking fifty or sixty years ago.
These laws were written when the NFA you know, came
out in the thirties or whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's going to be much.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Charable sixty years ago on gun issues.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
And what's going to happen now if they try to
pass that same legislation with regards to getting rid of
the NFA on some of these things. I'm skeptical as
to whether or not they're going to be able to
do it, So that could be some unintended consequences.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Should the FED step in, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I think not, because I think the less the Feds
have to do with guns the better. Let's see, Oh,
what is this out of Indiana? Senator John Ernst and
darryl Isa are introducing a bill to it's called the
Firearm Act fighting Irrational Regulatory Enforcement to avert retailer's misinformation misfortune.

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Oh my gosh. They are really going wild with some
of these names. Basically to stop the ATF and their
zero tolerance policy against FFLs and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well, that'll be good.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
I mean, obviously, the buy An administration was able to
put thousands of firearm dealers out of business, you know,
for a typo that they may have had in the
last eighteen nineteen years. I came across the case, for example,
in Texas, where I guess like eighteen nineteen years ago,

(35:59):
a dealer had transposed two letters in one word, and
the Obama administration had looked at it, had dropped the case,
basically give him a small fine and closed the case.
But he made no other typos since then. But the
Biden administration had to reopen that close case. And you

(36:19):
said to take away his firearm slice.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, these are not FFLs, and especially in that case,
it wasn't even an FFL that had sold guns illegally
or tried to, you know. And it was to the
point where under the Biden administration, just in the few
seconds we got left, was literally putting them out of business,
even if they self reported, hey, we're missing a gun,
and they self reported it, and they put them on that.

(36:42):
Hey next week, we're not sure where we're going to
be broadcasting from. It's either going to be Often or
Price or maybe right here in the beautiful Deckerle like.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Studios of iHeart.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Until then he could and we will and clean up
after yourself too.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Thanks John, Thanks John, thank you