Gun Radio Utah: Gavin Newsom; AB1127; Suppressors

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've got a fantastic as always, we have a fantastic
multifaceted gun radio Utah for you today. Bill. How are
you doing over there?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm doing well. I'm just fine tuning the headphones here.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're not we're not interrupting you, are we with your
football game? No?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I had to bring my other ones in and so
I had to turn up the volume so I could
hear you better.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
So, but we're good. Oh, that's very nice. Anyway, we're
gonna We're gonna go to Hawaii at some point. Definitely
gonna go to Hawaii because, uh, there's a the United
States Supreme Court, the USSC, although I know I've heard
that before, has decided to hear a case involving Hawaii
and it's gonna it's huge. I am so stoked that

(00:45):
they're going to hear this case. Anyway. Uh, it's not
a FATA company, but you know, we're gonna We're gonna
see also there is uh, well, you know what, hopefully
we have time. I want to talk about the post
office a little bit more and how you may want
to reconsider carrying a firearm into a post office for

(01:08):
right now, for right now, and I'll tell you, we'll
tell you why coming up. But then again, maybe you
still want to bill the You know Gavin Newsom who's
not running for president but but running for president. Uh,
he has signed he has signed a bill that he

(01:30):
is really it's going to be fantastic fodder for in
a debate. Uh. And and I don't know in the
media whatever Uh if he does ever decide to run
for president. And regarding glockfire, one.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Of the most carried, used, purchased, owned firearms in the nation,
let alone even in California.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
And we'll tell you what how piclock firearms in California
since the California Legislature passed AB one one two seven
and Newsome, gruesome Newsom signed it and along we'll tell
you what what that does. And kind of as a
corollary to that one, a relation to that one is. Uh.

(02:20):
The CBS News had a story talking about a thing
called swift links. Do you know what swift links are? Bill?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Is that is that that new sausage link that they've
got for breakfast.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Or the microwave sausage link. No similar plants, but only
completely different. Yeah, a swift link is a device for
a an ar or even an AK forty seven or
seventy four to uh modify the firing mechanism to make
it essentially filato. And we're going to talk about that.

(02:55):
The rise of these illegal gun conversions, and they're talking
about it in North Excess, but we're gonna we're gonna
go there. Also speaking of prohibited items, well maybe not uh,
the n f A, the National Firearms Firearms and we're
going to talk more about that and that there there

(03:18):
are at least two lawsuits and they're making their way
through the lower courts right now and hopefully it gets
done pretty quickly. Talking about the constitutionality of the registration
process for suppressors short barreled rifles and shotguns aow's and

(03:41):
that registration process which the foundation for which has has
gone has left the room, so to speak. With the
big beautiful bill.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
A lot of talk on the web and the interwebs, yep,
and uh, it's going to be interesting. This could change
the way we deal with guns, the way we handle guns,
the way we buy guns.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And it's obviously, as so many
of these constitutional challenges are, it's bigger than that short
bild rifle or shawn gun. Speaking of suppressors. Uh. Bill,
you know that we have been working in the last

(04:27):
uh in the last few months, but it's it's coming
to coming to a head right now, coming out. Well,
it's it's getting much more focused.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It was brought up a few months ago and I thought, Hey,
wouldn't it be nice if we had a a state
legislative commemorative suppressor. And I actually talked to Art about
it and he said, yeah, let's talk, and I just
I'll be honestly, I kind of pooved.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
And when you say Art, you're talking about art Formnian
and he's a brother from another mother, another Armenian guy.
We don't have enough of them, but no, we need
we need more more. The yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I honestly didn't think it was going to go anywhere.
And then you got some phone calls as well.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Well, I got I got talking to Representative Ken Ivory,
great Second Amendment guy, and uh, he is all for it.
He's drumming up support. So now this is not going
to be just so we know, this is not going
to be a state suppressor because that would take legislation.
We have a state gun, we have a state bird,

(05:33):
we have a state rock. We even have a state dinosaur.
You know what it is? I don't know for sure.
I think it's the utah raptor. But do you know
how big the utah raptor is.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's like a little bit bigger than a hummingbird, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
No, I think it's about the size of a chicken.
Oh okay, humming bird bill, I didn't know. I mean, okay, anyway,
all right, I thought you. Uh anyway, so we're going
to talk about that. And I want to bring into
this what because I just downloaded the new Microsoft and
you know how it always your laptop keeps screaming at

(06:10):
you to download the new update. So Microsoft came up
with a new update and it starts saying, hey, use
co pilot, you know, try out copilot for AI and
you can, you know, you can ask for it to
be a photo or a drawing or something like that,
and you can. Anyway, So I did that. I'll have
to tell you what kind of grief it gave me

(06:32):
when I when I input in some parameters on that.
Uh so, yeah, it it was interesting. But anyway, so
we're working. So what this suppressor is going to be.
It's going to be a suppressor that is just it's
completely private. So we're going to have an LLC and

(06:54):
it's and we have already in talks with our fantastic
Utah suppressor come Any Silence or CO which Art is with,
and we've been in communication with the owner, and so
we're going to make a commemorative twenty twenty six commemorative suppressor.

(07:15):
In the past, we have made commemorative Utah legislative commemorative
guns before. We've had rifles. We've had we had and
we try to stay with Utah companies. We've had North
American Arms, we have something Gorilla Arms or something. We've
had Cobra. Brown did a Cobra three to eighty. We've

(07:39):
done some others. And for Bill, we had Browning for nine. Yeah,
we had Browning and that was a commemorative gun for
It was a twenty two, but it was the nineteen
eleven one twenty two and that was in twenty eleven
on the one hundred ye anniversary. And so we've had these
state legislative guns. We don't eat any statute, We don't

(08:01):
need a bill to do this. This is kind of
private alongside and now and this is the problem though, Bill,
is that when we're coming up with a design for
the suppressor itself and it's going to be laser imprinted
on there along with custom serial numbers. And I'm not

(08:21):
gonna I'm gonna throw this out right now, Bill that
we're thinking of. You're shaking your head. We're thinking of
opening the opening this suppressor up to the public. But
it'll be probably be a limited number.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Oh yeah, and so definitely be a limited number, but.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Now, and it'll be a custom serial number. But anyway,
so the problem is, we can't use the state seal.
We cannot use No one can use the state seal
unless they get approved unless you know you're the state
or a state entity, and anything that dvates even slightly.

(08:59):
You can't even have something that is similar to the
state's seal. It's in code and unless it's approved by
the lieutenant lieutenant governor. So well, I don't think we're
going to go there.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I say we have a meeting because I would love
to see a suppressor the scythe Oh did I say
that out loud? I would love to see the suppressor
with the state seal on it and then the words
right next to it says tax free.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Okay, actually well, and you know we have that because
the big beautiful bill made tax free ary one. Yeah.
So all right, hey, we are out of time in
this segment. When we come back, we're going to talk
about all the things that we said that we were
going to talk about. Promise, and we'll be right back
on gun Radio Utah. Stay right there. Hey.

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(11:09):
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Speaker 1 (11:56):
So okay, So Okay, So we were talking about the
twenty twenty six, which is MM XXVII by the way. Oh,
as you know that MMXXVII twenty twenty six, and because
I had to look it up because that's what I want.
I wanted the Roman New York RNA. I like that anyway,

(12:22):
So we were talking about that, Well, let's delve into
suppressors a little more and including other stuff like destructive devices.
I don't think I don't know if the big beautiful
Bill took out the thing for destructive devices, but I
know it didn't take out machine guns. You still have
to pay a two or dollar tax on those. But

(12:44):
suppressors short world rifles and shotguns and aow's, which are
essentially the same as like a shotgun, except it just
doesn't have a stock. It wasn't designed to be used
as a long gun or shoulder device fired weapon anyway,
which aow's were only a five dollars stamp. Isn't that weird? Oh?

(13:04):
Really a five dollars tax stamp versus a two hundred
dollars tax stamp if it had a stock on it. Anyway, So,
and was that back in nineteen thirty four? I think
it was when they had those things. Can you imagine
paying you cut off an inch off your shotgun and

(13:27):
apply to register it, or actually apply to register it,
then cut off the inshrak anyway, and then have to
pay two hundred dollars back in nineteen thirty four. I mean,
what was an average salary in nineteen thirty four? I
don't know, Denny. You could look that up for us anyway.
What was and I'm just wondering what percentage of the

(13:49):
average salary was two hundred bucks? But now and still
it hasn't changed. It was a tax. It literally is
a tax. They have never denied that it was a tax.
That it was. And along with that tax was a
registration and you know, with photos and fingerprints and that
kind of stuff. I don't know if they had photos
back there, but anyway, they of course had photographs. But

(14:12):
I don't know. And even in a United States Supreme
Court ruling the oh hold on Tenny has already got
back with me. What that was an app is that
per hour, Denny, the average the average rate was fifty
five cents per hour. Oh my gosh, that they made

(14:35):
so how many hours would you have to work to
make two hundred bucks a lot. So anyway, so if
you think about uh and so that anyways, it was
challenged in court as being unconstitutional gun prohibition, against the
Second Amendment and that kind of stuff. United States Supreme
Court said, no, sorry, but this is a tax registration.

(14:59):
This is this has nothing to do with gun rights,
nothing to do with the Second Amendment. They separated it,
they bifurcated it, if you will, it's a good legal term.
And they said, now, this isn't about guns. This is
about tax. And if you want to argue it on
a tax basis, then go right ahead. But this isn't
about Second Amendment. It's not about gun control. This is
a tax. So the BBB, the Big Beautiful Bill that

(15:24):
was just signed in Alung. We should call it the
BBBB the Bipartisan Big Beautiful Bill, because there were you know,
Biden did that with his Bipartisan Safer Communities Act when
he had like two Republicans vote for it and called
it bipartisan. I think we had a couple Democrats to
vote for it too, So it's the bipartisan Big Beautiful Bill.

(15:46):
And even though I don't think we needed that to
get it pass. But anyway, it took away. It kept
the registration, but it took away the two hundred dollars tax. Now,
as of January January four or whatever, you don't have
to pay when you when you still have to fill
out your paperwork name, rank and serial numbers, so to speak,

(16:08):
and uh and and photos and fingerprints and if you
do a trust or whatever. Uh. The registration is still there,
but there's no tax. But now think about it. If
there's no tax, the whole foundation for the NFA and
the registration that came along with it falls apart because
you're not registering it for gun rights or gun rather

(16:31):
gun control.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well, wasn't the registration part of the process that you
showed you paid the tax, And now that you're not
paying the tax, what am I showing.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Literally on the on the paperwork on your Form fours,
it literally had the tax stamp. Yeah, the lick and
stick stamp on the on the paperwork. So anyway, s
a f Second Amendment Foundation who the same people that
brought the Gun Rights Policy Conference and the Citizens Committee
for the Right to Keep Bear Arms and the NRA

(17:05):
have filed a lawsuit. And I imagine there's probably more
than just this filed a lawsuit saying that the registration
the NFA associated with that is unconstitutional based on there's
no the remaining registration requirement for those guns under the

(17:25):
NFA now have no constitutional basis. I think it's I
think it's pretty self explanatory that it was a tax.
You don't have a tax now, so thereby just fiap.
It goes often too the ethereal, which I like to say,
so it was filed in the Northern District of Texas,

(17:47):
which is a pretty good court, and the plaintiffs are
the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep in Bear Arms,
the Firearms Policy Coalition FPC, the Texas Rifle Association, hot
Shots CUSTOM, and three other individuals. And I think the
n ra A did one too. I want to say
the nra A did one too or is part of

(18:09):
that so oh along oh the American Suppressor Association. So yeah, anyway,
I think it's called Jensen v. A t F. It's
gonna be interesting to see how energetic the government is
because the Department of Justice via the h t F
or at F via the Department of Justice is going

(18:31):
to be the ones that would be the respondents or defendants.
I think it would be respondents in this case, how
energetic they are in defending their case. Yeah, what if
the d o J says, net, we're gonna throw our
We're gonna wash our hands of this, We're out of this,

(18:52):
we don't, we're not gonna argue it anymore. That would
be interesting. And then then then we win, and then
we win they lose. Yeah, kind of a thing. And
then what would that mean? That would mean basically you
could buy that suppressor over the counter, now could you? Then?
Could I buy one from you in the parking lot
built in a shady, dark, dimly lit parking lot. Could

(19:13):
I buy one from you? I don't know, because the
ATF still considers it a firearm right now, a suppressor?
And would it? Could it only be done through a
NFA dealer, But if the NFA goes away, would it
have to go through an FFL of any kind? Or
could you do private transfers? Be a good question?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Well, and even go back or add to this, We
have a unique law and there's some surrounding states as well.
Made in Utah building Utah used in Utah doesn't need
to be stamped or even registered.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
So yeah, we have that. Yeah, we have that so
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Speaker 1 (21:08):
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(21:29):
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(21:50):
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(22:11):
one hundred and forty six sportsman's warehouse locations. There's got
to be one near you. Bill Gruesome Newsom as he
is known, Governor Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, signed
this last this week AB one one two seven. And

(22:33):
what this bill does is makes it illegal to sell
or to bring into the state a essentially it's a
glock without saying glock, anything that uses anything that uses
a cruciform type system in their in their striker is

(22:57):
a striker fired gun that uses a cruise form. It's
it's if you'll look up block and cruciform, you'll see
what I mean. It literally looks like a little steel cross.
And if people know that's what a glock switch does,
even the legal ones that were out there and the
illegal ones. It essentially just holds the back of that
cruciform down and allows the uh, it allows the gun

(23:21):
to say cycle through. Isn't a filado, all right? So anyway,
what this did is it's it basically made illegal those
guns to sell from dealers. And you can only buy
a gun from a dealer and you in California, So
it doesn't matter what generation, doesn't matter what model. If
it's got that cruciform, forget it. They did that very specifically,

(23:44):
and this is going to be challenged so quick. Before
the ink was dry on his signature, I'll bet that
there were that there.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Were up Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, so anyway, but I God, I gotta say this.
So Mom's demands some action. Angela Ferrera Zabala, that's that.
That is her name, Angela for Farrell Zabala. Sue's the
execut director of Mom's Demand some action. She says, no
one should have to live in fear of illegal machine

(24:18):
guns tearing through their communities. Okay, Angela, listen, honuh. If
you want to stop that, you need to go to
the source who's carrying this illegal It's already illegal to
have that gun. It's already illegal in most cases for
these people that were doing it to own any gun,

(24:39):
let alone one with a glock switch on it. They
almost without exception. If you look at these folks that
have these things are already prohibited, should have been in
prison if the system worked like the like the way
it is actually designed to do. Just except we have
just we have woke bluestings.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, just let prosecute these people in jail.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
They woke Blue states, we have police working very hard
to catch them, and then they give them to the
prosecution and they said, eh, you know, probation, probation.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Slap on a hand.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
What was the guy thirty seven arrests, twenty five felony
convictions and he was still out and killed somebody? Anyway,
you know, Gavin, why don't you work on that? And
then I'll bet you anything your crime would drop. So anyway,
now my question Bill is, so they have done everything

(25:34):
except say the name Glock in that bill that he signed,
which is going to be you know, obviously going to
be targeted. How about this the CBS News we had
talked about this thing called swift links, which you'd think is,
like I said, microwave sausage, but it isn't. It's a
It's a link that literally has been around for so

(25:57):
so long, I don't know, probably since the AR fifteen
has been around to the AK forty seven, easily fifty years,
and people have been bending, illegally bending coat hangers into
these things. You drop them into the firing mechanism of
the ARS and essentially it bypasses the reset on them.
And makes them folato. Apparently North Texas is really being

(26:22):
hit with them. The ATF is targeting the rise of
these swift links illegal gun conversions in North Texas and
you can order them. You can order them online from China.
I gotta tell you the website. This is the website
that they went to. In twenty twenty three, federal investigators
traced one seller to an Instagram at call account called

(26:45):
mister Droppin'folliato dot Com. Videos posted the account showed the
devices and action, followed by the message come shop. Well,
the ATF decided to come shop with them and ended
up buying like twenty of these things. He was found
guilty of possession of machine gun conversion devices and was

(27:07):
sentenced to guess how long? Oh, one year? One year.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's ridiculous, And that amazes me.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Because I can't figure that out because it should have
been way more than that anyway. So that's my point.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Apparently you can say they're not prosecuting these people at all,
and three, Okay, we'll just not make it. We'll just
make it illegal to have glock guns in our state.
How in the heck is that?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So what does that do for existing gun owners that
have blocks.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well that they're almost on their way out anyways with California.
But yeah, I think you can. You can keep what
you have, but you can't buy any more. So there,
I guess they're essentially thinking that the blocks will, you know,
after a year or two fail to work. But the

(28:04):
ATF said blueprints can be found hidden in plane sight
on websites dedicated to three D printing, somewhere disguises everyday
objects like wallhangers and bottle openers. One listing read you
will go full auto bonkers with this Buenos DS bottle opener. Okay,

(28:24):
So my point is, if you have one of these things,
it's illegal. You're in possession of a machine gun. If
you literally don't even have the gun that it goes with,
you're in possession of a machine gun. For this little
twisted piece of metal. You can three D print these things.
That's also if you end up three D printing one,
that's illegal, let alone putting it into a gun, let

(28:45):
alone if you were already prohibited from having one. And so.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Most of these people are prohibitive individuals anyway.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, and I guarantee you can probably find
these things on websites dedicated to Chinese made materials. Would
you have to pay a tariff on these two? But anyway, so, anyway,
I guarantee you you could find them and order them.
Don't do it. This is our caution because the people

(29:16):
that may deliver them to you may show up in
a brown truck, but it won't be ups it be.
It'll probably be somebody from the ATF delivering the package.
Do you anyway put these folks in prison, the ones
that are using these things? And and oh, the other
thing I want to go say before we leave is

(29:37):
if this is a drop in of ice like a
glock switch, what's to stop California from saying all AR fifteen's,
all AK forty seven's and their variants are now banned
from sale. It's the same exact metric bill.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Anyway, when we come back on gun Radio UTAB, we've
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Radio Utah and you'll find it. All right, So, uh,
post office bill, do we do you even go into
a post office anymore? I do?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yea barely do I still do? Okay?

Speaker 1 (30:29):
All right, Well, anyway, you know you're not supposed to
carry a gun in there anyway. So, and we talked
a little bit about this a week or so ago,
and there is a case that is coming up in
in in courtsroom right now. It's the case in the ruling,

(30:49):
so and and there's bound to be more. But anyway,
in September, US District Judge Rit O'Connor of the Northern
District of Texas. Remember this is the second time we
talked about the Northern District of Texas on today's show,
said that the government's blanket ban on firearms at ordinary,
regular post offices, as opposed to like one that's in

(31:09):
a store or something like this, I guess, is unconstitutional
as applied to the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs in this case
were FPC, the Firearms Policy Coalition, Second Amendment Foundation, and
a few others. Now, why that's important in the judge said,
as applied to the plaintiffs, because these are the people
that brought the case. These are the people that had standing.

(31:33):
These are the people that were the aggrieved people. Even
though everybody else, you know, all the other gun owners
that wanted to carry were the aggrieve. These are the
ones that brought the case. And that for that reason,
those people right now and only those people so members
of Firearms Policy Coalition, Second Amendment Foundation, and you can

(31:54):
go ahead and sign up right now. You can go
on there and be part of that. Is to it's
the summer. The court granted summary judgment for those plaintiffs
and in joined enforcement, which means they can't be charged
with a crime for carrying a gun into a post office.

(32:14):
For those plaintiffs, so if you, if you really want
to be careful, now, could you just go and carry
one in? Well, if you've got a whole bunch of money,
if you have a bunch of money to hire a
constitutional rights attorney, you will probably win. But then again
you might not, and it will still cost you.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
A ton of money.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So yeah, I've been there and done that. So anyway,
but why did the court Why did that court and
the district judge Ried O'Connor rule in favor of the plaintiffs.
He said, because the and he argued against the plant
or the the would be the defendants the government that

(32:56):
the post offices should be treated as sensitive places. Don't
get me started on sensitive places. But anyways, like a
courthouse or a school, even though oddly enough we can
carry in schools here in Utah. The court found no
sufficiently a nag A nag now that I said it wrong, analogy, analogy,

(33:18):
any analogy. There is no analogy from Founding era history
justifying such a ban. And because they had post offices
in seventeen ninety one and they didn't ban guns there
and parking lots and I don't think they were parking,
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
But anyway, I think job there's a I don't think
there's a sign. I've looked and I've not seen a
sign that says no firearms allowed.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay. What's interesting is if you go to eighteen USC.
Nine thirty or it gets thirty nine CFR, the Code
of Federal Regulations, technically for them to ban guns, they
have to have a sign posted. And I think I
said last time, I went through a whole bunch of
posts offices in the Salt Lake Valley and only found
one with any reference that it was posted. And it

(34:05):
was in little teeny print and it was way in
the back over by the post office boxes. But anyway,
so but I'm still not going to push it because,
you know, Casey James says, no one lawsuit costing hundreds
of thousands is enough. So all right, so what does
this mean. It means that it's not over and done
with yet. There's going to be.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
So don't do it's going to be don't carry into
the post office yet.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, I mean, unless you're willing to take the heat
for it. Okay, US Supreme Court. This is a big one.
You know, the Supreme Court started last Monday and they
have agreed to hear this challenge. This is huge. How
much time we got Okay, we've got enough time that
you know. Wilford v. Lopez a challenge to Hawaii's law
forbidding carrying on private property that's open to the public.

(34:54):
So we're talking about you know, restaurants, grocery stores, I mean, whatever.
It is, all the places that are private but open
to the public, a place of public accommodation kind of
a thing. What Hawaii did is they passed a lot
that said, all of those places it is against the
law to carry an otherwise lawfully possessed firearm unless the

(35:17):
entity grants you permission to carry. So we call that
the vampire rule, because if you know, in mythology with vampires,
if they come and knock on your door, they can't
just come in. You have to invite them in and
then they have free rein to suck your blood or whatever.
But in this case, it's like this in Hawaii. Now,

(35:38):
what kind of an establishment, especially one that caters to
the public, is going to say go ahead and say, oh, yes,
you can carry in there, knowing that the political ideologies
of its customers are going to vary and they may
suffer because of that if they have to post that.
So the Ninth Circuit upheld this. This is way back when,

(36:01):
but it's clearly I think a violation of Bruin, and
it's going to be heard by the United States Supreme Court.
I don't know when we're gonna hit. In fact, I
want to definitely listen to that one.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I will, because you know, Hawaii just sits off the
edge of California, and everyone kind of forgets them and
they just do their nearly willy things. But it's about
time that they start falling rank in order and follow
the rules. So I'm glad exactly. So, Hey, I'm gonna
be elk cunning this week.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Oh you got an elk tag?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
No wish me luck I need. I'm gonna need all
the luck I can get.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
No fast, take somebody out shooting, and be careful, clean
up after yourself.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Have a great weekend. Everyone will see you next week

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Became