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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So anyway, it's it's still not good. She oh she
hit it. Anyways, Welcome to gun Radio Utah. There are
no apologies. And I am your host, Clark Opotion. Sitting
right across from me literally is Bill Petterson, Director of
Utah shooting Sports Council back and so, uh yeah, that's
uh yeah. So I got a text just before we
went on the air that there's a skunk out by
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the propane tank. And so when I had to go
run and go grab some copy and uh copy. Yeah,
that that's that's that's radio lingo for articles in that anyway. Uh,
and I said Bill, handle this quick, you know, so
he don't Casey Jane text, Casey Jane, don't shoot the
propane tank. But but you know what, though you shoot
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a propane tank and it's it's gonna poke a hole
in it. It's not gonna do anything other than what's that? Yeah,
I gotta turn on I gotta turn on Johnson and
so oh, we are very privileged to have doctor on
lot in studio with us today. And so what was
that you were saying about propane tanks, John This.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's only on TV that they explode.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, And so we were trying to figure out ways. Now,
if you let's say you taped a flare to a
propane tank and then shot right there next to the flare,
it's just going to fume out a bunch of flanks,
you know, because you've got to get that right fuel
air kind of mixture. However, if you were to somehow
disabled the pressure relief valve and started an intense fire
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all around the propane tank, then you would get an
explosion that would level our house. I mean, I mean
and and.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Okay, bottom line, Yeah, kJ don't shoot.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, let's not shoot the propane tank because propane is expensive.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, exactly, And I'm sure the tank is too.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's an enormous tank.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Can't use bondo in that, No, you could probably. But
if you want to see something way cool, I'll throw
this out to our audience. There's a great video out
there where guys loads up a trailer. It's kind of
like a motor home type trailer. You uh, it's a
home trailer, you know. Okay, four hundred pounds of ten right,
and blows it up four hundred pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You remember the pumpkin we did way back when with
the Utah pumpkin Growers Associations. That was forty pounds. Yeah,
so ten times.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, all right, well you're responsible. Be responsible. We're not
responsible for anything you do. What you hear?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Uh? That that and that that pretty much goes with
with every even stuff we do.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We're not yea, what do we got there?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, let me let me tell you. I'm hoping to
get to this. Uh, let us put let us put
the final shovel of dirt on the pistol brace regulation
from the ATF. Okay, we're going to talk about that
and uh, how the government agreed that it is dead?
It's dead. You're dead, You're dead. What's the how's that song?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Goo?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That you're dead? You're out of this world? So anyway, yeah,
uh and then uh and then I want to talk
about a few other things that the that the FEDS
are doing. In fact, I got a text message from
from a friend of mine saying, hey, uh, I just
read this this article that the DOJ no longer wants
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to allow or to disallow felons and those convicted of,
you know, otherwise prohibiting crimes from oaning guns. And he says,
is that a good idea? And you know we're gonna
we're gonna talk about this because things that we have
been so accustomed to, we we we kind of kind
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of allow, we kind of say yeah, and we get
accustomed to him and we say, yeah, that's a good thing.
And that is that our way of just kind of
satisfying our own inner turmoil by saying, yeah, they shouldn't there,
you know, And is it actually what is the Second Amendment?
Was the Constitution say about those things? So we're going
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to talk about it because yeah, I'm a little uh,
I'm a little both sides, I guess on this one. Yeah,
I want I'd love to hear comments on it. Did
you know that gun free zones are associated with gun thefts?
Is that where why we're.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Doing freeze zone?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Gun free zones? Areas around gun free zones have more
gun thefts. We're going to discuss that. But let let's say,
let's say a building that is gun free, the parking
lot has more gun thefts and you're thinking and just
think about it for a minute, and you go, well,
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of course it does. Okay, So anyway, we're going to
talk about that. And I am very glad that doctor
Lott agreed to come into the studio today. He just
got back from South America, notably Argentina, and I think
some other places too. So I want to talk and
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you were invited there, and I want to talk about
what you did, and I found it interesting about some
things on crime rates and that kind of thing. Now, Bill,
you had something though talking about crime.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Right, Yeah, we were talking about an interesting story that
came out on KSL yesterday about a Utah man who
played guilty too of West Valley killing when he was seventeen,
but in exchange to a plea deal, this guy might
get out in seven years.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, So we're talking he killed somebody and they're treating
it and there and there, and he's and they're treating
it like he's an adult. And then he also was
a prohibited person. He also had He had a bunch
of for he had at least two first degree felonies
and one second degree felony and which could have landed
him in jail for for good, long time in prison
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for good. What did uh? Why do you say, what
does seven years have to do with this?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, so he's pleaded down and there agreed, they accepted
the plea. Well, the judge has to accept it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But the county attorney.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, the county attorney. And this is a guy we
can save this for a little later if well, we'll
talk about some more. But yeah, this is coming from
a guy that does kind of kind of backtracked on
what he was going to do.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I mean you mean the county attorney. This is that
that's coming from. Okay, well, yeah, I do want to
talk I do want to talk about that because I
want this to be, as you put it, top of
mind when when we discussed gun crime and I in fact,
when you brought this article up, Bill, I said, you know,
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I was just at the I was just at the
State Fair Park yesterday and had a meeting with them
regarding you know, what you can and can't do and
that type of thing, Uh, what you know to restrict
firearms in that and what state law was, and gave
them some ideas and this kind of stuff. And they're
very receptive. They want to to to to know the
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law and obey the law. And but I'm with them.
They says, well, how do we how do we stop
these these mass shootings and this kind of stuff. I'm thinking, well,
for the most part, the people that are committing these
mass shootings, shouldn't have had guns in the first place.
And the reason they shouldn't have had guns in the
first place because they committed crimes that quite honestly society
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wants them in prison, and they should have been in
prison were it not for probably plea bargains yea, or
just not or just not not being prosecuted. The police
do a heck of a job in grabbing them, you know,
before that before they do this, but then they have
to hand it off to the judicial system and uh
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and you know via the county you know, as it
filters through the county attorneys. So I I didn't have
great news warm on that front other than let's put
some of these these offenders before they ever get in
there with a mass shooting. Let's put them in prison.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So what type of mass shooting you're talking about preventing?
I mean, if you're talking about, uh, if you're talking
about stopping rival gangs from fighting against each other, yeah,
then that's right. But if you're talking about a mass
public shooting that gets the news attention, where somebody's just
going into place to go and kill and main people,
there's a simple solution to that, and that is just
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get rid of the gun free zones.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Okay, there you go. We're gonna talking and this is
this is the kind of insight there you need. All right,
when we come back on gun Radio Utah, we're gonna
hear more from doctor John.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
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Speaker 1 (09:27):
So remember and remember to try to tell them about
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Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, Christmas serving pie and beer, Flash my Brass. Yeah,
I had to get that in there for you. So
we got a special guest here, Clark John Lott. John,
Welcome to the show and always trying to figure out
some things. You're in South America. I've spent some time
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in South America. Brazil was not one of my favorite places.
But in talking with Clark's sounds like there's some changes
going on some countries doing things a little differently regarding firearms, right, Well,
I mean you had Bosonaro as president for four years.
He tried to liberalize the gun rules. There had about
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six hundred and fifty percent increase in the number of
Brazilians that were legally able to own guns and made
it so that people could carry He lost reelection though
about a year and a half ago, and Lula, the
socialists who came in, has been starting to reverse those things.
When Bolsonaro became president and a campaigned on making it
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so people could protect themselves, the international media and academics
were out there claiming that it was going to be
a disaster, that murder rates were going to soar. Instead,
what happened was you saw a plummeting of murder rates.
Murder rates had fallen by about thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
During his presidency, they've started to inch back up now
again that Lula is president, and you know, you have
a fair amount of differences across countries. Peru is relatively
open in terms of people being able to own guns,
so nowhere near what it is in the United States.
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Argentina with malay as the new president who came into
office at the beginning of the year, he campaigned having
kind of shell issue type rules for people being able
to go and carry guns. Right now, I think you
have like one point two million Argentinians who are legally
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licensed to own a gun. That's out of a population
about forty two million. But the only people who are
able to go and legally carry are people who are, like,
you know, an important politician or somebody who knows somebody
that's very important. They can get them a license. But
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you know, it's kind of amazing kind of what the
crime rates are there some of them. When you hear
the crime rates, you almost don't believe it. I didn't
believe it at first. So like in Argentina, the robbery rate, well,
let me say this, the robber rate in the United
States is sixty per hundred thousand, and in Argentina, it's
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one thousand and sixty eight per hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And and what you try when I gave talks to
police there, I basically was explaining that the true gap
is probably much larger than that because one of the things,
because this is our crimes reported to police, and most
times aren't reported to police. In the United States, only
about forty three percent of violent crimes are reported to police.
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But in Argentina it's pretty clear that only single digits
of robbery's result and arrest much lower than the United States.
And so what you find, at least with US data
we don't have complete data in Argentina, is that if
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people don't think that the criminals are going to be
caught and punished, then they're less likely to go and
report the crime. So my guess is the rate that
robberies are underreported in Argentina is much larger than is
in the United States. And so rather than you know,
one thousand and sixty eight for reported crimes, the total
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may be three thousand or something. God only knows how
big it is.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, So it's obvious that there's a crime problem. Two,
it's obvious that the police either cannot or will not,
and I would imagine it's probably a combination maybe of
both arrest and get these pokes in prison. So that really, honestly,
if you want to protect yourself, it leads you up
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to carrying something to protect yourself because the police can't
by sure numbers or you know that type of thing.
Do it is that kind of what's fueling some of
this in Argentina carrying a gun for self defense.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. I mean, the point I
made to the police when I talked to them was that, look,
it's not rocket science. If you want to reduce crime,
you have to make it riskier for criminals to commit crime.
And you can do that with higher rest rates or
higher conviction rates or longer prison sentences. But you can
also do it by making it so that victims are
able to go.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And defend themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It also makes it riskier for criminals to commit crime.
You know. The thing is when you talk to police
in countries where people haven't been able to go and
carry it all, and a lot of people, not just
the police, think well, whatever the rules have been, that's
the way way it always has to be. You've seen
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many cases in the United States, where police chiefs or
whatever would be against concealed carry before it was first adopted,
and then after it was in place for a while
and none of the fears that they had had come true,
then they would change their minds on it. And I
assume you'll run into similar types of things in a
country like Argentina. They have an election coming up in October.
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Malay he is an approval rate of about sixty percent
his party. If they do well in the election, then
they'll likely one of the big things that they'll do
is change the laws to let people be able to
go and defend themselves for precisely the reasons that we're
talking about. I gave One of the talks I gave
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was to twenty members of the Federal Senate and Federal House.
Only five of them were members of Malays Party. One
of them one person there was a senator she apparently
isn't a Malays Party but is a very powerful senator,
and she came up to me afterwards and said that
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the talk had changed her views and that she was
going to push hard after the election, assuming it goes well,
to make it so people had access to guns for protection.
So I think you know, they know the police can't
be there all the time. They have twice as many
police per capita as we have here in the United States.
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But it's not just comparing the number of police to
the number of people, but number of police to the
number amount of crime that they have to go and
try to solve. And one of the big problems that
you have is that they have lots of stupid rules
that the police deal with. So I'll give you an example.
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When the police drive around in their cars, they always
have their lights on at the top. It reminded me
when I was in the first trip I took to
Brazil in two thousand and one. I had I say
I'd give a talk at a university and there's a
big square in front of the university, and they'd have
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the police car sitting in the middle of the square
with its lights and every once in a while would
blare siren. And I was asking him what's the point
of doing that, and they said, well, we want to
make sure the criminals know that we're there. And and
my response is, all you've done is have the criminals
go down the street, you know, for one of the
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side streets to go and commit the crime there because
they know they know the police aren't there, because they
would have their lights on. And one thing I will
say is I would not worry about getting a speeding
ticket in Argentina because you know, it's not like they
can sneak up on you. You see their lights flashing, you know,
way behind you or way in front, and so same
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way in the Philippines as well, they do that and
it's like the crowds like, it's not like I'm speeding.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
What what party is? How would you describe his He's
a libertarian Libertarian, Okay. We find that libertarians are for
the most part, very conducive to gun rights for the people.
That's good. Where do you see this going? If he
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continues in his approval rating and getting elected, what would
be the next step? And you've got like thirty seconds
to say, what would be the next step?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In art I think they want to adopt something like
shall issue concealed carry laws in the United States, so
there'd be certain objective rules. You know, there are lots
of things like you have to pay a ninety dollars fee,
you have to go and get psychological tests right now
in order to get a license to own a gun.
You have to understand that per capita income in Argentina
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is about one fifth what it is in the United States,
so that kind of so hopefully they'll address those types
of issues to make it not as costly for people
to be able to get a license.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
When we come back, we're going to hear more about
this and all the other stuff that we've been that
we have that we have our articles on on Gun
Radio Utah stay tuned, John. Looks like what you said,
make it more dangerous for.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Criminals to to don't make it a gun through their
trade restricted zone. Make it a gun free zone. Yeah,
and you know there is a gun free zone. What's
that don't make it a gun.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Don't make it. Don't make it a gun free zone.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Get backwards here. Yeah, but there's a you know, as
we were talking about earlier in the first segment, we
were talking about, you know, this Utah that's played guilty
and everything. Things happen, and I wish we'd hear more
from our Salt Lake County sheriff on what's going on,
what they're doing to prevent crime.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
But I mean they set like a sheriff for the prospector.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh, the shares well, oh the sheriff, because if we
go to Panela's county, there's a great video.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh there, I've got it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And let our listeners listen to this. This is what
we need.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
All of So set the stage. The Penela Panela, Panels
County sheriff is standing next to a dispatcher who's they're
basically honoring for giving some great advice to a homeowner
facing a break in, a break in while they're home
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and h so listen to listen to this.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Hey, everyone, recently, lady called nine one one here in
Panell County because someone was breaking into her house.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
There's some guy. He came to my door, but he
went into my neighbor's house.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
This dispatcher gave excellent advice. I'd like you to take
a moment and listen to it. He came into my garage.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
He's trying to get my back door.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, lock your doors, keep them all locked.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Do you have a firearm with you? I do.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He's in my he's trying to get in.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Go get that firearm.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I have a gun. Off here you lea.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
While the incident was still going on, sergeant was monitoring
the radio traffic and this is his direction that he gave.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
If RP, if it's effects trying to get in the house,
the right to use force.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I couldn't be more in agreement with what the direction
of my dispatcher gave and what the sergeant gave over
the radio. Remember, if you want personal protection, buy a gun,
learn how to use it, learn when you can use it.
I'm sure if Ross TEPO and I approve of this message.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's that's just awesome that that sounded just like Biden
when he said buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun, shotgun anyway,
I mean, I mean, that is just I mean, well,
the dispatcher brought up you got a gun, go get it,
Go get it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And then while the one of the sheriffs was on
patrol out there, sergeant he overhears the the the back
and forth I guess with the with the call center,
and said, tell the lady not just that she has
a gun, but she has right used force. And so yes,
that's the way it is. And we have very strong
laws here in Utah, not just for your home, though
I will add it's not just for your home. You
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actually have essentially with with the laws we changed two
years ago in your in your business, and in your vehicle.
And it used to just be your habitation. But it's
not just your habitation anymore. And uh, maybe we'll have
about well.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And that's what disappoints me with this Hernandez guy. You know,
they're trying to get off on this pleague. Uh. You know,
he played guilty too. He knew what he had done
because the guy that he shot and killed apparently threw
something at their vehicle and this caused Jose Hernandez to stop,
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get out of his car, point a firearm and shoot him.
Where's the self defense, that's what he's claiming self defense? Well, yeah,
I was staying your car and drive off a rock
ain't gonna hurt you.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, especially when you're in a steel cage. So yeah,
all right, Hey, I gotta I gotta do this now
because if I don't, you'll forget. Well I won't forget.
I just want to go. Yeah I will. So if
your gun is is not up to the task of
defending yourself and your family and uh and your community
and your country, get it over to the gunsmith at
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Sportsman's Warehouse. The gunsmith of the Sportsman's Warehouse can if
your gun is just not Maybe you don't know what
the problem is, but it's malfunctioning. Let's say it doesn't
inject the cartridges. And maybe you just need the gun
cleaned for goodness sakes. I don't like clean my guns,
but I'll do it when I have to anyway. Uh
and just and maybe you got a dremal tool for
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your for your birthday or for Christmas, and you have
become your own little gunsmith and you need that now
fixed because you tried the gunsmith. Anyway, whatever it is,
if it needs sarah cooding or graving or rebluing, or
a stock that needs fixing or threading, actual threading for
a muzzle device, some kind a loudener or a suppressor, okay,
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a muzzle bright whatever, get it over to the gunsmith
of Sportsman's Warehouse. The gunsmith of Sportsman's Warehouse sixteen thirty
South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, or give
them a call eight oh one three zero four eighty
seventy one three zero four eighty seventy oh. You can
take it into any of the over one hundred and
forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse is Sportsmen's Warehouse locations and they
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will get it to the gunsmith for you. Bill. Okay,
So we had talked about that. I did want to
touch on real quickly, putting the final shovel of dirt
on the cris pistol brace rule. The pistol brace rule,
you remember years ago. I remember being right here in
this studio and you printed out the rule, the new
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rule on and there were points and.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There point points systems, all this kind of stuff. Upside
you got two points or something.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They were all this kind of stuff that the ATF
had said, this is the new rule for if you've
got a right if you've got a pistol and you
put a brace on it, it's now a short barreled
rifle if it has this and this, And there was
so much stuff and people were, you know, I mean sick.
Everybody was selling these pistols with braces on them and
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they had to stop. And I remember, in fact, you
could buy a whole bunch of then ar type pistols
or something like that, but without the brace on them anymore,
and they look kind of funny because they were designed
for use with the brace. And then you could sell
the braces separately apparently, or no maybe you couldn't sell
the brace, but anyways, people had a big stock of
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braces that they had to take off, and the gunsmiths
in that or the gun stores in that anyway. So
just a couple of days ago, you know, just on
the seventeenth, the federal government agreed to a joint dismissal
of the government's a peece in Mock v. Bondi. Mock v.
Bondi was a case that was settled in lower court,
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not the United States Supreme Court, and it successfully challenged
the Biden atf pistol brace through so it made it
and so that that case came out and they said,
you know, no, this is this is beyond the constitution,
this is beyond it's it's unconstitutional, so on and so forth.
And then the government, still under Biden, appealed it and
they were going strong and they wanted to appeal it
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obviously to a higher court. Well, the new DOJ under
Pambondi said no, we're just we're out of it. We're
out of it. We're not Yeah, this ain't happening, and
they agreed to a joint dismissal. And so they got
together with the Firearms Policy Coalition and some other groups
and the in this case it would be the defendant.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So is a public service announcement.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, so you can have your brace.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Now, please be be careful when you're on the lakes.
There's a lot of scuba divers going down.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, you mean retrieving firearms. Now here's here's a few
things that you still can't do. Let's say you've got
a pistol and it has a brace on it, and
you were to put a vertical grip.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You can't because now you're turning it into it's not
a pistol anymore. Even though it looks a heck of
a lot like a short barreled rifle, it's not a rifle.
It's a pistol, right, and you put a vertical grip
on it. Now you're designing it. You've now redesigned that
gun to use two hands, which is now a long gun,
not a pistol. I know, it's confusing, don't get However,
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there are ways around that. A vertical grip is not
ninety degrees. Though you can have the little.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
What do they call those? It's similar. It's basically so
you can hold your hand, doesn't slide forward in that.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So yeah, okay, so I've got we don't have a
lot of time on this one, but let me let
me discuss this. You go to another state, and do
you ever go to gun stores in other states to
all the time? Yeah? Okay. And you let's say you
found a really nice handgun there and you say, well,
it's a great price, it's one, let's buy it. And
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what does the gun store say.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
To you, resident of the state.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, can't do it. Can't do it. Now, there
are ways around not around it. But you could have
not saying around it. You could own that gun, except
you'd have to have that gun smith ship it to
a gunsmith in your in your state and go through
all that. And some gunsmiths just have been so frightened
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by the ATF and and and that they say, now
we just we just don't do that. We just don't
do that. And there's gonna be anexal why why can't
you just they're gonna run a background check on you
in that gun store, in any gun store you're buying
this from, they're gonna run the background check. It's essentially
the same background check to the same age and see
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and what difference does it make now? I could see
a difference if that handgun was banned in your home state,
like California, gun like California, New Jersey or something like that,
one of those those. Anyway, I could see that. But
once that's satisfied that it was okay, why can't they
just sell the gun? There's no reason for it now.
I could see way back when, before we had all
(29:23):
the telecommunication devices and ability to check backgrounds, you know,
across the nation, I could see that that isn't the
case anymore. Hasn't been the case for a long time.
Let's get rid of that stupid rule that says you
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And have you ever found a California gun that you'd
want to ship to Utah?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I didn't think so, I'm not saying no. But anyway,
so they're sooning the ATF and Firearm Policy Coalition again
along with some other groups are suing that. And it's
out of Fort Worth, Texas and that and they're doing that,
and so I'm looking forward to that, I think make
that and some other yeah, and that and some other
you know, needless rules are like that. All right, we
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are out of time again in this segment. So when
we come back, we're gonna have to have a fall
auto segment on. There were many things, so stay tuned,
we'll be right back. We're pleased to have doctor John
Lott here, and he was earlier talking about his experiences
in Argentina and he was invited there and it sounds
(30:26):
like you've got a very warm reception.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
No, Well, I gave a couple of talks. I gave
one to a group of politicians in Buenos Aires, and
then I gave another talk to police chiefs and others
in Cordova, which is the second largest city in the country.
Like four million people live in the city, another twelve
million liveouts in the general area. It's not as big
(30:51):
as Buenos Aires. And then I did some radio shows
and I did a podcast with this guy who this
Nicklas guy who is said to be kind of the
Joe Rogan of of Latin America. I was only on
his show for a half hour because it was independence
time for Argentina. But he's supposed to have me on
(31:13):
again sometime via zoom because he likes to have these
two three hour interviews like.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh my god, we get, we give, we give John
like seven minutes yea, you know, and then some people
treat me right, and you know, anything else happened in
Argentina while you were there.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
They have great food. I'll say that much.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
For him.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I also have to say the people in Argentina are
incredibly friendly. So like if I go, if I go
to other countries and do radio or TV, I'll have
maybe one person driving me around and I'll have an interpreter.
But here it was like twenty people would go with you,
(31:55):
and so I'd be giving an interview in the studio
and this place there'd be windows, and so you'd have
twenty people lined up watching, watching the.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
People in Argentine. So I tend to have a kind
of a myopic view of gun rights. In the United States,
we're the only country that is concerned about gun rights.
But apparently that's not true.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, I mean, obviously the United States is relatively rare,
but there's you know, Switzerland is still relatively liberal. Israel
has started to improve its rules again now after October seventh.
You know, you go back to two thousand, about fourteen
percent of the adult Jewish population in Israel had a
(32:42):
license to be able to carry a gun in public.
But by the time October seventh had occurred, it down
to about two percent. Basically, George Soros had funded a
lot of public health studies there and kind of scared
people into having stricter rules. And then but now on
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October eighth, they started liberalizing the rules. And I think
it's up to like nine percent of the adult popular
Jewish population is legally licensed to carry, and they have
a couple hundred thousand licenses that they're still going through
and trying to approve.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's interesting when we when we look at some of
these events that occur that people get, countries get or
the people in these countries get this epiphany that, oh
my gosh, we need guns. The same thing happened in
Armenia and when we were there, I mean the the
the fighting and the atrocities from the from Azerbaijan and
(33:39):
uh and what did Armine You do? Hey, you know what,
you want a gun? You don't have to there's no
waiting period. You want to carry an ak fully.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Low after Unfortunately, you know I would have if I
was in Ukraine, I would have changed the rules before
Russia invaded, rather than waiting until a week afterwards. But
you know, one can only imagine in Israel on October seventh,
if they had some people at the concert there had
had guns with them, Oh, things might have turned out
(34:08):
very differently.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
You know, I'll say this, we don't know what might
have happened, what could have happened, or we don't know
what would have happened for sure had somebody been allowed
to carry a gun during that. But I can tell
you exactly what happened when they weren't allowed to carry
a gun. Utter carnage, utter slaughter.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well you saw a video of people running and hiding
and stuff. If a few people have been there, you know,
maybe when these guys were paragliding in or whatever, they
would have been able to pick off some of them
before they landed, or who knows, right, at least it
would have slowed it down and made it possible for
some people to escape the area at the very least,
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you would think so.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And we're talking about a country that realizes its its
tenuous position geographically, and so they have to know that that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well, when Netanya, who became prime minister again at the
beginning of last couple of years a couple of years ago,
one of the first things he tried to do was
to loosen up the gun laws that were there. Even
though his coalition was the most conservative coalition of ever
(35:27):
ruling Israel, he couldn't get the other parties to go
and agree with it. It wasn't until after later that year,
in October seventh when they started making some changes.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah. Hey, before we have to go, I want to
remind folks, hey, coming up to the end of September.
Last week in September gun Rights Policy Conference and doctor Lott,
you've been a speaker there before many times. And Gun
Rights Policy Conference put on by the Second Amendment Foundation
and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep Mere Arms.
It's coming. We need one. We need volunteers. Uh, and
(36:00):
do you got to sign up? Go to s a
F dot org s a F dot org and sign up.
It is free, and it's coming here to Utah, to
Salt Lake City and we're gonna uh the the Utah
Shooting Sports Council is going to be a big part
of it.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, we'll get stuff for volunteers as well.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And uh, go to Utah shot Sports Council and email
us sign up to help out. And until next week,
doctor Lott, thank you very much and congratulations
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Happy Pioneer Day everyone, Yeah,
So anyway, it's it's still not good. She oh she
hit it. Anyways, Welcome to gun Radio Utah. There are
no apologies. And I am your host, Clark Opotion. Sitting
right across from me literally is Bill Petterson, Director of
Utah shooting Sports Council back and so, uh yeah, that's
uh yeah. So I got a text just before we
went on the air that there's a skunk out by
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the propane tank. And so when I had to go
run and go grab some copy and uh copy. Yeah,
that that's that's that's radio lingo for articles in that anyway. Uh,
and I said Bill, handle this quick, you know, so
he don't Casey Jane text, Casey Jane, don't shoot the
propane tank. But but you know what, though you shoot
(00:44):
a propane tank and it's it's gonna poke a hole
in it. It's not gonna do anything other than what's that? Yeah,
I gotta turn on I gotta turn on Johnson and
so oh, we are very privileged to have doctor on
lot in studio with us today. And so what was
that you were saying about propane tanks, John This.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's only on TV that they explode.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, And so we were trying to figure out ways. Now,
if you let's say you taped a flare to a
propane tank and then shot right there next to the flare,
it's just going to fume out a bunch of flanks,
you know, because you've got to get that right fuel
air kind of mixture. However, if you were to somehow
disabled the pressure relief valve and started an intense fire
(01:29):
all around the propane tank, then you would get an
explosion that would level our house. I mean, I mean
and and.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Okay, bottom line, Yeah, kJ don't shoot.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, let's not shoot the propane tank because propane is expensive.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, exactly, And I'm sure the tank is too.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's an enormous tank.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Can't use bondo in that, No, you could probably. But
if you want to see something way cool, I'll throw
this out to our audience. There's a great video out
there where guys loads up a trailer. It's kind of
like a motor home type trailer. You uh, it's a
home trailer, you know. Okay, four hundred pounds of ten right,
and blows it up four hundred pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You remember the pumpkin we did way back when with
the Utah pumpkin Growers Associations. That was forty pounds. Yeah,
so ten times.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, all right, well you're responsible. Be responsible. We're not
responsible for anything you do. What you hear?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Uh? That that and that that pretty much goes with
with every even stuff we do.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We're not yea, what do we got there?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, let me let me tell you. I'm hoping to
get to this. Uh, let us put let us put
the final shovel of dirt on the pistol brace regulation
from the ATF. Okay, we're going to talk about that
and uh, how the government agreed that it is dead?
It's dead. You're dead, You're dead. What's the how's that song?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Goo?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That you're dead? You're out of this world? So anyway, yeah,
uh and then uh and then I want to talk
about a few other things that the that the FEDS
are doing. In fact, I got a text message from
from a friend of mine saying, hey, uh, I just
read this this article that the DOJ no longer wants
(03:18):
to allow or to disallow felons and those convicted of,
you know, otherwise prohibiting crimes from oaning guns. And he says,
is that a good idea? And you know we're gonna
we're gonna talk about this because things that we have
been so accustomed to, we we we kind of kind
(03:40):
of allow, we kind of say yeah, and we get
accustomed to him and we say, yeah, that's a good thing.
And that is that our way of just kind of
satisfying our own inner turmoil by saying, yeah, they shouldn't there,
you know, And is it actually what is the Second Amendment?
Was the Constitution say about those things? So we're going
(04:01):
to talk about it because yeah, I'm a little uh,
I'm a little both sides, I guess on this one. Yeah,
I want I'd love to hear comments on it. Did
you know that gun free zones are associated with gun thefts?
Is that where why we're.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Doing freeze zone?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Gun free zones? Areas around gun free zones have more
gun thefts. We're going to discuss that. But let let's say,
let's say a building that is gun free, the parking
lot has more gun thefts and you're thinking and just
think about it for a minute, and you go, well,
(04:41):
of course it does. Okay, So anyway, we're going to
talk about that. And I am very glad that doctor
Lott agreed to come into the studio today. He just
got back from South America, notably Argentina, and I think
some other places too. So I want to talk and
(05:02):
you were invited there, and I want to talk about
what you did, and I found it interesting about some
things on crime rates and that kind of thing. Now, Bill,
you had something though talking about crime.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Right, Yeah, we were talking about an interesting story that
came out on KSL yesterday about a Utah man who
played guilty too of West Valley killing when he was seventeen,
but in exchange to a plea deal, this guy might
get out in seven years.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, So we're talking he killed somebody and they're treating
it and there and there, and he's and they're treating
it like he's an adult. And then he also was
a prohibited person. He also had He had a bunch
of for he had at least two first degree felonies
and one second degree felony and which could have landed
him in jail for for good, long time in prison
(05:54):
for good. What did uh? Why do you say, what
does seven years have to do with this?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, so he's pleaded down and there agreed, they accepted
the plea. Well, the judge has to accept it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But the county attorney.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, the county attorney. And this is a guy we
can save this for a little later if well, we'll
talk about some more. But yeah, this is coming from
a guy that does kind of kind of backtracked on
what he was going to do.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I mean you mean the county attorney. This is that
that's coming from. Okay, well, yeah, I do want to
talk I do want to talk about that because I
want this to be, as you put it, top of
mind when when we discussed gun crime and I in fact,
when you brought this article up, Bill, I said, you know,
(06:47):
I was just at the I was just at the
State Fair Park yesterday and had a meeting with them
regarding you know, what you can and can't do and
that type of thing, Uh, what you know to restrict
firearms in that and what state law was, and gave
them some ideas and this kind of stuff. And they're
very receptive. They want to to to to know the
(07:08):
law and obey the law. And but I'm with them.
They says, well, how do we how do we stop
these these mass shootings and this kind of stuff. I'm thinking, well,
for the most part, the people that are committing these
mass shootings, shouldn't have had guns in the first place.
And the reason they shouldn't have had guns in the
first place because they committed crimes that quite honestly society
(07:31):
wants them in prison, and they should have been in
prison were it not for probably plea bargains yea, or
just not or just not not being prosecuted. The police
do a heck of a job in grabbing them, you know,
before that before they do this, but then they have
to hand it off to the judicial system and uh
(07:53):
and you know via the county you know, as it
filters through the county attorneys. So I I didn't have
great news warm on that front other than let's put
some of these these offenders before they ever get in
there with a mass shooting. Let's put them in prison.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So what type of mass shooting you're talking about preventing?
I mean, if you're talking about, uh, if you're talking
about stopping rival gangs from fighting against each other, yeah,
then that's right. But if you're talking about a mass
public shooting that gets the news attention, where somebody's just
going into place to go and kill and main people,
there's a simple solution to that, and that is just
(08:29):
get rid of the gun free zones.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Okay, there you go. We're gonna talking and this is
this is the kind of insight there you need. All right,
when we come back on gun Radio Utah, we're gonna
hear more from doctor John.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
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Speaker 1 (09:27):
So remember and remember to try to tell them about
the tortured, awkward segue that Bill uses to bring up.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, Christmas serving pie and beer, Flash my Brass. Yeah,
I had to get that in there for you. So
we got a special guest here, Clark John Lott. John,
Welcome to the show and always trying to figure out
some things. You're in South America. I've spent some time
(09:58):
in South America. Brazil was not one of my favorite places.
But in talking with Clark's sounds like there's some changes
going on some countries doing things a little differently regarding firearms, right, Well,
I mean you had Bosonaro as president for four years.
He tried to liberalize the gun rules. There had about
(10:24):
six hundred and fifty percent increase in the number of
Brazilians that were legally able to own guns and made
it so that people could carry He lost reelection though
about a year and a half ago, and Lula, the
socialists who came in, has been starting to reverse those things.
When Bolsonaro became president and a campaigned on making it
(10:47):
so people could protect themselves, the international media and academics
were out there claiming that it was going to be
a disaster, that murder rates were going to soar. Instead,
what happened was you saw a plummeting of murder rates.
Murder rates had fallen by about thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
During his presidency, they've started to inch back up now
again that Lula is president, and you know, you have
a fair amount of differences across countries. Peru is relatively
open in terms of people being able to own guns,
so nowhere near what it is in the United States.
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Argentina with malay as the new president who came into
office at the beginning of the year, he campaigned having
kind of shell issue type rules for people being able
to go and carry guns. Right now, I think you
have like one point two million Argentinians who are legally
(11:54):
licensed to own a gun. That's out of a population
about forty two million. But the only people who are
able to go and legally carry are people who are, like,
you know, an important politician or somebody who knows somebody
that's very important. They can get them a license. But
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you know, it's kind of amazing kind of what the
crime rates are there some of them. When you hear
the crime rates, you almost don't believe it. I didn't
believe it at first. So like in Argentina, the robbery rate, well,
let me say this, the robber rate in the United
States is sixty per hundred thousand, and in Argentina, it's
(12:40):
one thousand and sixty eight per hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And and what you try when I gave talks to
police there, I basically was explaining that the true gap
is probably much larger than that because one of the things,
because this is our crimes reported to police, and most
times aren't reported to police. In the United States, only
about forty three percent of violent crimes are reported to police.
(13:08):
But in Argentina it's pretty clear that only single digits
of robbery's result and arrest much lower than the United States.
And so what you find, at least with US data
we don't have complete data in Argentina, is that if
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people don't think that the criminals are going to be
caught and punished, then they're less likely to go and
report the crime. So my guess is the rate that
robberies are underreported in Argentina is much larger than is
in the United States. And so rather than you know,
one thousand and sixty eight for reported crimes, the total
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may be three thousand or something. God only knows how
big it is.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, So it's obvious that there's a crime problem. Two,
it's obvious that the police either cannot or will not,
and I would imagine it's probably a combination maybe of
both arrest and get these pokes in prison. So that really, honestly,
if you want to protect yourself, it leads you up
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to carrying something to protect yourself because the police can't
by sure numbers or you know that type of thing.
Do it is that kind of what's fueling some of
this in Argentina carrying a gun for self defense.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. I mean, the point I
made to the police when I talked to them was that, look,
it's not rocket science. If you want to reduce crime,
you have to make it riskier for criminals to commit crime.
And you can do that with higher rest rates or
higher conviction rates or longer prison sentences. But you can
also do it by making it so that victims are
able to go.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And defend themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It also makes it riskier for criminals to commit crime.
You know. The thing is when you talk to police
in countries where people haven't been able to go and
carry it all, and a lot of people, not just
the police, think well, whatever the rules have been, that's
the way way it always has to be. You've seen
(15:11):
many cases in the United States, where police chiefs or
whatever would be against concealed carry before it was first adopted,
and then after it was in place for a while
and none of the fears that they had had come true,
then they would change their minds on it. And I
assume you'll run into similar types of things in a
country like Argentina. They have an election coming up in October.
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Malay he is an approval rate of about sixty percent
his party. If they do well in the election, then
they'll likely one of the big things that they'll do
is change the laws to let people be able to
go and defend themselves for precisely the reasons that we're
talking about. I gave One of the talks I gave
(15:56):
was to twenty members of the Federal Senate and Federal House.
Only five of them were members of Malays Party. One
of them one person there was a senator she apparently
isn't a Malays Party but is a very powerful senator,
and she came up to me afterwards and said that
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the talk had changed her views and that she was
going to push hard after the election, assuming it goes well,
to make it so people had access to guns for protection.
So I think you know, they know the police can't
be there all the time. They have twice as many
police per capita as we have here in the United States.
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But it's not just comparing the number of police to
the number of people, but number of police to the
number amount of crime that they have to go and
try to solve. And one of the big problems that
you have is that they have lots of stupid rules
that the police deal with. So I'll give you an example.
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When the police drive around in their cars, they always
have their lights on at the top. It reminded me
when I was in the first trip I took to
Brazil in two thousand and one. I had I say
I'd give a talk at a university and there's a
big square in front of the university, and they'd have
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the police car sitting in the middle of the square
with its lights and every once in a while would
blare siren. And I was asking him what's the point
of doing that, and they said, well, we want to
make sure the criminals know that we're there. And and
my response is, all you've done is have the criminals
go down the street, you know, for one of the
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side streets to go and commit the crime there because
they know they know the police aren't there, because they
would have their lights on. And one thing I will
say is I would not worry about getting a speeding
ticket in Argentina because you know, it's not like they
can sneak up on you. You see their lights flashing, you know,
way behind you or way in front, and so same
(18:08):
way in the Philippines as well, they do that and
it's like the crowds like, it's not like I'm speeding.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
What what party is? How would you describe his He's
a libertarian Libertarian, Okay. We find that libertarians are for
the most part, very conducive to gun rights for the people.
That's good. Where do you see this going? If he
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continues in his approval rating and getting elected, what would
be the next step? And you've got like thirty seconds
to say, what would be the next step?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In art I think they want to adopt something like
shall issue concealed carry laws in the United States, so
there'd be certain objective rules. You know, there are lots
of things like you have to pay a ninety dollars fee,
you have to go and get psychological tests right now
in order to get a license to own a gun.
You have to understand that per capita income in Argentina
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is about one fifth what it is in the United States,
so that kind of so hopefully they'll address those types
of issues to make it not as costly for people
to be able to get a license.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
When we come back, we're going to hear more about
this and all the other stuff that we've been that
we have that we have our articles on on Gun
Radio Utah stay tuned, John. Looks like what you said,
make it more dangerous for.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Criminals to to don't make it a gun through their
trade restricted zone. Make it a gun free zone. Yeah,
and you know there is a gun free zone. What's
that don't make it a gun.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Don't make it. Don't make it a gun free zone.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Get backwards here. Yeah, but there's a you know, as
we were talking about earlier in the first segment, we
were talking about, you know, this Utah that's played guilty
and everything. Things happen, and I wish we'd hear more
from our Salt Lake County sheriff on what's going on,
what they're doing to prevent crime.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
But I mean they set like a sheriff for the prospector.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh, the shares well, oh the sheriff, because if we
go to Panela's county, there's a great video.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh there, I've got it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And let our listeners listen to this. This is what
we need.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
All of So set the stage. The Penela Panela, Panels
County sheriff is standing next to a dispatcher who's they're
basically honoring for giving some great advice to a homeowner
facing a break in, a break in while they're home
(20:34):
and h so listen to listen to this.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Hey, everyone, recently, lady called nine one one here in
Panell County because someone was breaking into her house.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
There's some guy. He came to my door, but he
went into my neighbor's house.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
This dispatcher gave excellent advice. I'd like you to take
a moment and listen to it. He came into my garage.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
He's trying to get my back door.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, lock your doors, keep them all locked.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Do you have a firearm with you? I do.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He's in my he's trying to get in.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Go get that firearm.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I have a gun. Off here you lea.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
While the incident was still going on, sergeant was monitoring
the radio traffic and this is his direction that he gave.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
If RP, if it's effects trying to get in the house,
the right to use force.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I couldn't be more in agreement with what the direction
of my dispatcher gave and what the sergeant gave over
the radio. Remember, if you want personal protection, buy a gun,
learn how to use it, learn when you can use it.
I'm sure if Ross TEPO and I approve of this message.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's that's just awesome that that sounded just like Biden
when he said buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun, shotgun anyway,
I mean, I mean, that is just I mean, well,
the dispatcher brought up you got a gun, go get it,
Go get it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And then while the one of the sheriffs was on
patrol out there, sergeant he overhears the the the back
and forth I guess with the with the call center,
and said, tell the lady not just that she has
a gun, but she has right used force. And so yes,
that's the way it is. And we have very strong
laws here in Utah, not just for your home, though
I will add it's not just for your home. You
(22:13):
actually have essentially with with the laws we changed two
years ago in your in your business, and in your vehicle.
And it used to just be your habitation. But it's
not just your habitation anymore. And uh, maybe we'll have
about well.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And that's what disappoints me with this Hernandez guy. You know,
they're trying to get off on this pleague. Uh. You know,
he played guilty too. He knew what he had done
because the guy that he shot and killed apparently threw
something at their vehicle and this caused Jose Hernandez to stop,
(22:49):
get out of his car, point a firearm and shoot him.
Where's the self defense, that's what he's claiming self defense? Well, yeah,
I was staying your car and drive off a rock
ain't gonna hurt you.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, especially when you're in a steel cage. So yeah,
all right, Hey, I gotta I gotta do this now
because if I don't, you'll forget. Well I won't forget.
I just want to go. Yeah I will. So if
your gun is is not up to the task of
defending yourself and your family and uh and your community
and your country, get it over to the gunsmith at
(23:23):
Sportsman's Warehouse. The gunsmith of the Sportsman's Warehouse can if
your gun is just not Maybe you don't know what
the problem is, but it's malfunctioning. Let's say it doesn't
inject the cartridges. And maybe you just need the gun
cleaned for goodness sakes. I don't like clean my guns,
but I'll do it when I have to anyway. Uh
and just and maybe you got a dremal tool for
(23:46):
your for your birthday or for Christmas, and you have
become your own little gunsmith and you need that now
fixed because you tried the gunsmith. Anyway, whatever it is,
if it needs sarah cooding or graving or rebluing, or
a stock that needs fixing or threading, actual threading for
a muzzle device, some kind a loudener or a suppressor, okay,
(24:11):
a muzzle bright whatever, get it over to the gunsmith
of Sportsman's Warehouse. The gunsmith of Sportsman's Warehouse sixteen thirty
South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City, or give
them a call eight oh one three zero four eighty
seventy one three zero four eighty seventy oh. You can
take it into any of the over one hundred and
forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse is Sportsmen's Warehouse locations and they
(24:32):
will get it to the gunsmith for you. Bill. Okay,
So we had talked about that. I did want to
touch on real quickly, putting the final shovel of dirt
on the cris pistol brace rule. The pistol brace rule,
you remember years ago. I remember being right here in
this studio and you printed out the rule, the new
(24:55):
rule on and there were points and.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
There point points systems, all this kind of stuff. Upside
you got two points or something.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They were all this kind of stuff that the ATF
had said, this is the new rule for if you've
got a right if you've got a pistol and you
put a brace on it, it's now a short barreled
rifle if it has this and this, And there was
so much stuff and people were, you know, I mean sick.
Everybody was selling these pistols with braces on them and
(25:23):
they had to stop. And I remember, in fact, you
could buy a whole bunch of then ar type pistols
or something like that, but without the brace on them anymore,
and they look kind of funny because they were designed
for use with the brace. And then you could sell
the braces separately apparently, or no maybe you couldn't sell
the brace, but anyways, people had a big stock of
(25:44):
braces that they had to take off, and the gunsmiths
in that or the gun stores in that anyway. So
just a couple of days ago, you know, just on
the seventeenth, the federal government agreed to a joint dismissal
of the government's a peece in Mock v. Bondi. Mock v.
Bondi was a case that was settled in lower court,
(26:08):
not the United States Supreme Court, and it successfully challenged
the Biden atf pistol brace through so it made it
and so that that case came out and they said,
you know, no, this is this is beyond the constitution,
this is beyond it's it's unconstitutional, so on and so forth.
And then the government, still under Biden, appealed it and
they were going strong and they wanted to appeal it
(26:29):
obviously to a higher court. Well, the new DOJ under
Pambondi said no, we're just we're out of it. We're
out of it. We're not Yeah, this ain't happening, and
they agreed to a joint dismissal. And so they got
together with the Firearms Policy Coalition and some other groups
and the in this case it would be the defendant.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
So is a public service announcement.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, so you can have your brace.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Now, please be be careful when you're on the lakes.
There's a lot of scuba divers going down.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, you mean retrieving firearms. Now here's here's a few
things that you still can't do. Let's say you've got
a pistol and it has a brace on it, and
you were to put a vertical grip.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You can't because now you're turning it into it's not
a pistol anymore. Even though it looks a heck of
a lot like a short barreled rifle, it's not a rifle.
It's a pistol, right, and you put a vertical grip
on it. Now you're designing it. You've now redesigned that
gun to use two hands, which is now a long gun,
not a pistol. I know, it's confusing, don't get However,
(27:40):
there are ways around that. A vertical grip is not
ninety degrees. Though you can have the little.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
What do they call those? It's similar. It's basically so
you can hold your hand, doesn't slide forward in that.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So yeah, okay, so I've got we don't have a
lot of time on this one, but let me let
me discuss this. You go to another state, and do
you ever go to gun stores in other states to
all the time? Yeah? Okay. And you let's say you
found a really nice handgun there and you say, well,
it's a great price, it's one, let's buy it. And
(28:14):
what does the gun store say.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
To you, resident of the state.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, can't do it. Can't do it. Now, there
are ways around not around it. But you could have
not saying around it. You could own that gun, except
you'd have to have that gun smith ship it to
a gunsmith in your in your state and go through
all that. And some gunsmiths just have been so frightened
(28:39):
by the ATF and and and that they say, now
we just we just don't do that. We just don't
do that. And there's gonna be anexal why why can't
you just they're gonna run a background check on you
in that gun store, in any gun store you're buying
this from, they're gonna run the background check. It's essentially
the same background check to the same age and see
(29:01):
and what difference does it make now? I could see
a difference if that handgun was banned in your home state,
like California, gun like California, New Jersey or something like that,
one of those those. Anyway, I could see that. But
once that's satisfied that it was okay, why can't they
just sell the gun? There's no reason for it now.
I could see way back when, before we had all
(29:23):
the telecommunication devices and ability to check backgrounds, you know,
across the nation, I could see that that isn't the
case anymore. Hasn't been the case for a long time.
Let's get rid of that stupid rule that says you
can't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And have you ever found a California gun that you'd
want to ship to Utah?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I didn't think so, I'm not saying no. But anyway,
so they're sooning the ATF and Firearm Policy Coalition again
along with some other groups are suing that. And it's
out of Fort Worth, Texas and that and they're doing that,
and so I'm looking forward to that, I think make
that and some other yeah, and that and some other
you know, needless rules are like that. All right, we
(30:04):
are out of time again in this segment. So when
we come back, we're gonna have to have a fall
auto segment on. There were many things, so stay tuned,
we'll be right back. We're pleased to have doctor John
Lott here, and he was earlier talking about his experiences
in Argentina and he was invited there and it sounds
(30:26):
like you've got a very warm reception.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
No, Well, I gave a couple of talks. I gave
one to a group of politicians in Buenos Aires, and
then I gave another talk to police chiefs and others
in Cordova, which is the second largest city in the country.
Like four million people live in the city, another twelve
million liveouts in the general area. It's not as big
(30:51):
as Buenos Aires. And then I did some radio shows
and I did a podcast with this guy who this
Nicklas guy who is said to be kind of the
Joe Rogan of of Latin America. I was only on
his show for a half hour because it was independence
time for Argentina. But he's supposed to have me on
(31:13):
again sometime via zoom because he likes to have these
two three hour interviews like.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh my god, we get, we give, we give John
like seven minutes yea, you know, and then some people
treat me right, and you know, anything else happened in
Argentina while you were there.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
They have great food. I'll say that much.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
For him.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I also have to say the people in Argentina are
incredibly friendly. So like if I go, if I go
to other countries and do radio or TV, I'll have
maybe one person driving me around and I'll have an interpreter.
But here it was like twenty people would go with you,
(31:55):
and so I'd be giving an interview in the studio
and this place there'd be windows, and so you'd have
twenty people lined up watching, watching the.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
People in Argentine. So I tend to have a kind
of a myopic view of gun rights. In the United States,
we're the only country that is concerned about gun rights.
But apparently that's not true.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, I mean, obviously the United States is relatively rare,
but there's you know, Switzerland is still relatively liberal. Israel
has started to improve its rules again now after October seventh.
You know, you go back to two thousand, about fourteen
percent of the adult Jewish population in Israel had a
(32:42):
license to be able to carry a gun in public.
But by the time October seventh had occurred, it down
to about two percent. Basically, George Soros had funded a
lot of public health studies there and kind of scared
people into having stricter rules. And then but now on
(33:03):
October eighth, they started liberalizing the rules. And I think
it's up to like nine percent of the adult popular
Jewish population is legally licensed to carry, and they have
a couple hundred thousand licenses that they're still going through
and trying to approve.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's interesting when we when we look at some of
these events that occur that people get, countries get or
the people in these countries get this epiphany that, oh
my gosh, we need guns. The same thing happened in
Armenia and when we were there, I mean the the
the fighting and the atrocities from the from Azerbaijan and
(33:39):
uh and what did Armine You do? Hey, you know what,
you want a gun? You don't have to there's no
waiting period. You want to carry an ak fully.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Low after Unfortunately, you know I would have if I
was in Ukraine, I would have changed the rules before
Russia invaded, rather than waiting until a week afterwards. But
you know, one can only imagine in Israel on October seventh,
if they had some people at the concert there had
had guns with them, Oh, things might have turned out
(34:08):
very differently.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
You know, I'll say this, we don't know what might
have happened, what could have happened, or we don't know
what would have happened for sure had somebody been allowed
to carry a gun during that. But I can tell
you exactly what happened when they weren't allowed to carry
a gun. Utter carnage, utter slaughter.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well you saw a video of people running and hiding
and stuff. If a few people have been there, you know,
maybe when these guys were paragliding in or whatever, they
would have been able to pick off some of them
before they landed, or who knows, right, at least it
would have slowed it down and made it possible for
some people to escape the area at the very least,
(34:52):
you would think so.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And we're talking about a country that realizes its its
tenuous position geographically, and so they have to know that that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well, when Netanya, who became prime minister again at the
beginning of last couple of years a couple of years ago,
one of the first things he tried to do was
to loosen up the gun laws that were there. Even
though his coalition was the most conservative coalition of ever
(35:27):
ruling Israel, he couldn't get the other parties to go
and agree with it. It wasn't until after later that year,
in October seventh when they started making some changes.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah. Hey, before we have to go, I want to
remind folks, hey, coming up to the end of September.
Last week in September gun Rights Policy Conference and doctor Lott,
you've been a speaker there before many times. And Gun
Rights Policy Conference put on by the Second Amendment Foundation
and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep Mere Arms.
It's coming. We need one. We need volunteers. Uh, and
(36:00):
do you got to sign up? Go to s a
F dot org s a F dot org and sign up.
It is free, and it's coming here to Utah, to
Salt Lake City and we're gonna uh the the Utah
Shooting Sports Council is going to be a big part
of it.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, we'll get stuff for volunteers as well.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And uh, go to Utah shot Sports Council and email
us sign up to help out. And until next week,
doctor Lott, thank you very much and congratulations
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Happy Pioneer Day everyone, Yeah,
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