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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There we got that. There we go, there, we go,
go ahead, finish it up.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There was a little bit of a delay, a little
I think the marmots have been chewing on the layers
or something.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Oh my gosh, well it's all on you now, clerk.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
That fixs. We've got a heck of a show for
you today.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's yeah, sounds like we've got some communication connectivity issues,
so I'll just jump in here. We're so glad to
have you with us today on gun Radio Utah. We've
got a lot of things to cover here today. Happy
flag Day to everyone out there, and I guess it's
appropriate to also say happy two hundred and fiftieth birthday
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for our military and the US Army. Appreciate your service
and everything. I hear there's some big shindigs going on
in Washington. I have not had a chance to see
or hear any of that, but but yeah, we'll take
a look and see if we can sneak in between
breaks and see what's going on in our famous national
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land of Washington, d C. Yes, we've got a great
show for you today. We're to cover a number of
things today gun related.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm hoping that you're back with us here. We're gonna
give it a try. Here. Can't see you, but I
can probably hear you. Okay, Oh, there's a good positive picture.
Clark has dropped off the line, so we'll just give
him a moment to join us back. That's the wonderful
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thing of technology, Denny, is that we get to we're
victims of it as well as anything else, and so
we have to sometimes when we do these remote broadcasts.
I'm actually in studio here in the wonderful marble facade
of the West Valley stew videos here, but we do
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see Clark now the west.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
The West, I mean on the shores of Decker Lake.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The shores of Decker Lake. I wasn't going to go
quite that far. But how's that barbed wire fence internet
service that you've got out there, Maser working for you?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, no kidding, Bill, I need to have you come
out here because you're an expert in that kind of stuff,
so and get this thing fixed.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So anyway, did.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You no, Denny Kutz laughing, h Clark Clark Clark, Clark Clark.
I have no idea what might be going on. I
think he's just having some internet issues. So Clark you.
You kind of froze on us. Tell us about what
you've got for the show today. Oh, it's gonna be
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one of those shows, Danny, because I just came into
the studio. Just so I'm I'm I'm not making excuses,
but I just came into the studio last minute, and
I was at a funeral service for a good friend
of our family, and and so I'm scrambling making notes
and trying to get put things together. But I do
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see Clark moving around there, so hopefully Clark, you can
hear us. Okay, I'm gonna give you one more chance,
But what do you got for us? Clark? Can you
hear us?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I can, but it's on a different mic right now.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So I'm going to get right back to you as
I switch mixers on this thing.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, sounds good. So a lot of things happening in
the news. I'm gonna just go over a couple of things. Well,
Clark gets set up there and gets reconnected there. Of course,
there's we're seeing a lot of riots going on defunding ICE.
I was actually having an interesting conversation and then I
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found out some historical significance on immigration, and it really
kind of surprises me why we're even having these so
called riots or these abolish ice scenarios, because when we
look at the original immigration policy back in I think
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it was nineteen oh four, nineteen oh seven. You know,
our country is very welcoming and we are very welcoming
country when it comes to immigration. But there's a big, huge,
significant difference between immigration back then and what we deal
with immigration today. And that is when immigrants came to
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the US, they came with a hope, a feeling, a
desire to do well and do well for themselves, do
well for their families, and to build a really nice
environment for their family to be raised in. They brought
their businesses, they brought their skill sets GUS. What they
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didn't rely on, they didn't rely on the government handing
out them monies or subsidies to make that life possible.
They did it themselves. Where now we have immigration coming
in and it's like, oh, what can you do for me,
you know, and start demanding from society the needs that
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they need to I mean, I guess live or whatever,
put them up in a hotel or whatever. But it's
totally black and white today. So hopefully we'll have a peaceful, quiet,
non exciting, violent protests. I'm fine for them to protest.
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I'm all good for that. But it's interesting where I've
gone from. And I was telling Clark this earlier. I've
gone from a PPS to a nineteen eleven in my
everyday Carrie just in case, So Clark, I see you
there in the tropic little sand dunes. But if you
need to know, if.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You can hear me, yes, it gonna sounds so bad.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, you sound great. So I was just kind of
talking about some of the news feeds what's going on.
What we can do is diligent, you know, citizens, Libby
and gun owners and all that. But what do you
got for us today? You got one minute? I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Well, we're gonna have We're gonna have Alex Robinson with
Robinson Arms talking about the Short Act. I don't know
if this is coming through, but this has been fantastic.
He's done a lot of research on this and the
Robinson Arms is one of our favorite gun communities up
in the north of Salt Lake. They're fantastic. If you
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haven't checked that out, check out Robinson Arms. But we're
gonna have Alex on earlier or later in just a
bit after we come back from a break.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Okay, I'm looking forward to that. Haven't been to shots lately,
so I'm kind of really interested. We hear what he's
got on firearmwise as well too, So okay, why don't
we do this, Denny, Let's take an early break that
will get Clark hopefully to get reconnected, and we'll jump
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into our second segment and hopefully we'll sound a lot
more professional than us unpaid gun rights lobbyist gurus. So
when we come back on gun Radio to stay tuned
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gets proactively involved in in protecting your gun rights and
uh and.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And speaking of speaking of being proactively.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Involved, okay, is it is one of our good friends,
Alex Robinson. Alex Robinson is the owner and proprietor of
Robinson Arms.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
If you haven't checked out Robinson Arms.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
They have some of legitimately the coolest and best well
made firearms out there. In fact, Alex, thanks for joining
Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Thanks Clark, it's great to be on your show.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know, I'm going to tell you a little story.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I've got a good friend of mine who's a fantastic
gunsmith and a big time shooter, Steve, and he knows
that I have this expeditionary rifle the and I can't
remember them, Mom, I'm but it's it's an old one
and it was from your company, and we had it
as a range gun at a range that I gun
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Storm range that I used to work at, and it
has easily hundreds of thousands of rounds through the thing,
and we never cleaned it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
We never cleaned the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Finally, something after you know, just beaten that thing, finally,
one little teeny part inside broke, you guys came out
and we sent it back to you and you instantly
replaced the part and said, do you ever clean this thing?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Anyways?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The thing just still functions. And my buddy wants that
rifle so bad, that expeditionary rifle from me, and I won't.
I won't sell it to them.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So anyways, you're still making fantastic guns out there, though.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
We try to.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
We we're not a fan of the AR platform, so
we made our own, and we and many of our
customers who owned them believe it's the best, best tactical
rifle you can get. I didn't come on your show
to kind of pimp my guns.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I know, I know, but I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I appreciate I appreciate it. We can use all the
business we can get. But I'm really concerned about what's
going on with Congress right now.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Okay, we've got the Suppressor Act, the Shush Act, and
that's kind of you know, we're hoping that the Senate
picks it up and doesn't change it in the big
beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
But now there's another bill out there that we have
talked about briefly. Let's tell us about the Short Act.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Yeah, the Short Act, and that's short for Stop Harassing
Owners of Rifles Today.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Act.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
What it is is it's meant to get short barreled
rifles and short bailed shotguns out of the NFA the
National Firearms Act, so you no longer have to register
and pay that tax and have a registered firearm with
your name on it in the government's hands. This is
probably the most important piece of legislation gun wise that's
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come along for in my lifetime. I mean, I started
out in the early eighties as an NFA dealer with
machine guns and that sort of things, and they were
banned in eighty six. And these short barrel rifles and
shotguns are not dangerous that they were added to the
National Farms Act in nineteen thirty four because some of
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the gangsters were using short barreled rifles and shotguns and
they thought it was a neat thing.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
To it's just a way to control us. And there's
a two under dollar tax.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That two hundred dollars tax was back then was like
three four thousand dollars today it would be. And it
really discouraged people from buying machine guns, short barreled rifles
and shotguns. As you know, in eighty six, the machine
guns we can no longer own those made after May nineteen,
nineteen eighty six. But they're a gun with a rifle
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with a barrel less than sixteen inches and less than
an overall length of twenty six If you have one
of those of your possession, it's not registered. It's two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine and ten years in jail.
So this is a very serious thing. And we have
the opportunity to take these out of the NFA, which
means you'd just buy them like a normal firearm. You
wouldn't have to pay the tax, we wouldn't have to
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have that go through that special FBI background check, and
I go through all that nonsense and have your name
on it with the government, so it's registered.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So, Alex, were we at today at this very moment
with the Short Act? Were with the Suppressor Act? Where
we at with the Short Act?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
The Suppressor Act got in the big beautiful bill of
the House version of the Bill.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The Short Act did not.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
And I can't understand why other than the Sonser companies
are making tons of money and they had a lot
of lobbing power. But really the Short Act's more important,
I think because all these people with armbraces in the
future they could, It could become illegal for them. They
could be deemed short buriled rifles and shotguns, and they
could be exposed to some huge penalties. This is a
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perfect time now, So the Senate, the Senate, bless their heart,
has actually got it's bill.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Let's see said Bill one two.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Uh, it's in there.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And Mike, Mike Lee, bless his heart, he's signed on
as a co sponsor. I haven't heard from Curtis yet,
wonder where he is on that. And our congress people
will have to get involved again because I don't know
why Congress, our congress people didn't get involved with this
and why it isn't in the House version of the bill.
It just I think a lot of our your listeners
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out there may not even know this is going on.
And this is why I called you and said, hey, Clark,
what can we do to get awareness of this?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, let me jump in because what so right now,
what we need to do is because it's gonna have
it's gonna the Short Act. If it gets into the
Senate version, it still has to go back to the House,
and so we're gonna need the House members to vote
on it, and the Senate vote on it. So you
need to contact your legislature US Congress, whether it be
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more Malloy, Kennedy, UH, Burgers, John's Uh, and then Senator
Curtis and Senator Lee and tell them you want this
in the bill.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You want it in there. And what we want is
the way that the the the Shush Act, the Suppressor
Act is just get rid of it. No NFA anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You can just purchase them, just like you purchase a
regular rifle or handgun over the counter. Now, but what
if I don't own a short world rifle, What if
I don't have any plans to buy a short world rifle?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Why is this important to me?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Well, I think they're they're really great, especial for self defense.
And you know, if you want something more powerful than
a pistol to keep in your vehicle. Now, I don't
think people to just leave guns in their vehicle all
the time and attended, but when you're in your vehicle,
it's nice to have that kind of firepower just in
case you got one of these riots. You get to
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say you got in the middle one of these riots. Yeah,
had to shoot your way out. I hate to say
things like that.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, but I'm talking about from a gun control
from a government control perspective, Why should why should we
be looking at at diminishing the federal government's opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Do all that with us?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Well, that's easy. Randy Weaver is a great case in point.
You know, I don't know if you remember that case
back then, but some government operative got him to harassed
him to cut down a rifle or shotgun below.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The legal limit just an inch or half an inch.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
It was like a half an inch, and they killed
his wife, holding their baby, and his son.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
You know, this was it was a setup to start with.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Thank goodness, he won millions of dollars in a civil
lawsuit later on.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But you know, this is the kind of thing that
can happen.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
So you know, every there's supposedly there's forty million of
these arm braced guns out there that could become illegal overnights.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That all it would take is we have a seemingly
friendly administration right now, but that you can see how
quickly that can change. So what is the message to
our US House and US Senate members, Alex you.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Must absolutely pass the Short Act as part of the
big beautiful Bill.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
There's no reason not to.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
It is a taxing so the government will get less
tax But think about this, Think they won't be chasing
all these short bailed rifle cases and all the money
that's spent trying to enforce a ridiculous law to begin with.
You know, this is this a win And there's uh,
there's just so much just as part of this act too,
anyone that has a short bailed rifle or short beled childgun,
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they're going to destroy your records that they have, that
you have.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That that's part of the Short Act.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So this is this is a great piece of legislation
if we can get it in the bill and get
it in the reconciliation and get it through.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And we should try with all our might.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I mean this, I've been doing this for forty years
and this is the most I feel this is the
most important bill you could have a say in. And okay,
now don't even know about it. Okay, So why is
it important? Why is it important this moment? Why can't
we wait a year? Why can't we wait? You know,
well we could, you know, but we don't know what
the next Congress is going to look like. It just
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seems like the momentum is here to do it historically
after the midterms.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Historically after the midterms, it changes, it shifts in you know,
like in this case it's Republicans, it'll shift to Democrats,
the party in power there. We may still you know,
obviously we'll still have the executive the presidency, but we're barely.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Holding on right now.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Now's the time to do it because the mid terms,
if it goes like it typically does, that party in
power and that will never go at that time.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And and if we don't get it done now, this
is in the budget, the big beautiful budget.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Bill, which requires just one more than half.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Any other thing requires a bigger majority, and we don't
have that ability in the House or the Senate right now.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But with this bill we do. We can do it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Alex, I want to thank you for for doing this,
and we're going to recommend you go on even just
Google and find out who your US House and US
Senate member is and contact them via email, via phone call,
via text message and let them know to pass the
Shush Act in the House and the Senate. Get that going,
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get that in there. It's already written, it's it's been
it's been vetted. So Alex thank you for being on
gun Radio, Utah. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
All Right, now I've got to tell you about if
you if you haven't gun, this is not working so well.
If it's if it's a little, if it's a little,
a little hinky, a little funky, you want it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You want it, I don't know, reblued. You want it
to sarah coated. You want it fixed.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The
gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy
West in Salt Lake City can.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Take care of it for you, whatever it needs.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You can give them a call. It AIGHTO one three
zero four eighty seventy eight. One three zero four eighty
seventy four. You can take it into any of the
over one hundred and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. They
will get it done and get it over to the
gunsmith for you and Bill. It's it looks like for
the time being, my communication problems have been fixed. But
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let's everybody collectively cross your fingers and make sure that
a satellite doesn't pass in between us and the Sun
or something like that. And when we come back on
Gun Radio Utah. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Boh, yeah, we glad to have you here today. And oh,
did you hear this bill's guns on the street.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
We lose ninety three million Americans a day to gun violence?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Did you know that bill? Million americans a day a day?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
There goes Utah, Wyoming, New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You know, we've got what three hundred and forty million
americans in the entire United States. That gives us about
four or five days I think until that's.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It four or five hours.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So that was former Governor Terry mccauliffe out of Virginia
that gave those startling statistics ninety three million.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And he said it, and nobody know him.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I know that's the thing. It's like, uh stop, stop, stop, stop,
back up.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He also he also had he also gave some interesting
information on ghost guns and bump stocks and stuff like that. Hey,
I've got to play something that our good friends Cody
and Coley made a little a little bumper here.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
We just ghost gun thirty rounds under half a second done.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It doesn't even care where they go for fun, It.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Just goes the way. So that's thirty rounds and under
half a second. It is ghost gun anyway, thank you
God on the one.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
All right, Bill, this is something I'm gonna bring up,
something you didn't want me to bring up.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I still bring it up. I still don't it's this important.
It is.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
This is a very important thing. Now not all of
our listeners are gonna appreciate this, but it does go
in the right direction. I don't really want to talk
about this, but this is a huge thing for gun
owners of Utah.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Bill we have never hit hidden. It's like our legislative
ideas we have.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We have a bunch of legislative ideas for this next session.
And I've already talked to sponsors and that kind of stuff,
and they said, well should we the bill public? Absolutely,
we don't hide from these things. And I think that
the more people talk about it, the more the truth
will come out. If our position on these things were
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so tenuous and so weak, yeah, bring it up at
the very last minute and don't let anybody talk about it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But ours is strong.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Ours is it's a strong it's a truthful, it's a
good position.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
And so here it goes.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, let me lay the groundwork before you go into this,
because there's a big backstory on this whole thing of
how this happened. And no one knows about the backstory,
but a handful of people. One you know the backstory
because you were in the meeting with the elder in
the church. Okay, I just said it LDS church. Okay,
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this is going somewhere, folks, Okay, all right, you can't
have firearms in They don't want you to carry firearms
in the meeting houses.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, and there was a law peck, Yeah, it was
a lot polls seventy six, ten, five thirty. And it's
a new it's a new section now. But anyway, it
what it is is that there are two places in Utah,
two private places in Utah, not state government, not federal government,
but the only two private places in Utah that if
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they post a signe or if they tell you verbally
that you cannot bring a gun onto the property that is,
then that's the law. At that point, it's an infraction,
but it would you would be breaking the law if
you crossed over the threshold. Now, a church, a church,
those those two places are churches and homes. Churches and
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homes have the ability to have their sign have the
weight of law or have their verbal notice you can't
bring a gun in here.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Have the weight of law. Now a church has one
added ability.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
They can if they don't want to post a sign,
they can notify BCI they're of Kumlin Invocation before February
of each year and have them put that on their website.
That way, when you walk into the church, you don't
see a big sign with a gun with a line
through it or something like that. And then permit holders
or those carrying guns are responsible to check BCI's website
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at the end of February and it's good for a year. Well,
our good friend Mitch Velos contacted me and said, hey,
according to BCI's website, they haven't The Church of Jesus
Christ Loliday Saints has not re upped their prohibition their
band because they had had that band, they'd contacted BCI.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Well, I got looking and Bill, you were with me,
weren't you.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, we called, we called, We called BCI and we
talked to the person in charge there.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And he confirmed, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
They hadn't done it, and they hadn't done it in
six years, since twenty nineteen. And I said, well, it's
still on the website and how long did it take
Bill thirty minutes?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Well, yeah, we were trying to go get screenshots of
what was currently on the website, and by the time
we did it was gone.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It was gone website.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So end result is, yeah, there's no prohibition right now
unless and I have never heard of this happening, unless
someone an authoritied to act on behalf of the church
in that building, you know, a bishop or council or
something like that, or they put up a sign. Right now,
there is no prohibition against carrying a firearm otherwise lawfully
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there you go, you know, otherwise lawfully inside a church meetinghouse.
So now, why Bill, were you hesitant to bring this up?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, what I don't want to have happen is a
lot of people just start open carrying in the in
in churches that might cause a scene or cause an
issue with younger kids or whatnot.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Do you recommend just discreetly maintaining your life's greatly maintaining.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Absolutely. I am one behind that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay, But how about well let me let me let
me go back. You you wanted to go back a
little bit, so way back when I don't know what's
it been, I want to say, twenty years ago or something.
We're in a meeting and there was an initiative out
there to ban guns in schools because we could, Utah
was one of the very few states, uh to ban
guns in school or to not ban in schools as
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long as you had to permit and uh, the the
handringy Bedweathers wanted to ban that, and they thought, oh,
this is just not going to happen in Utah because
everybody loves loves our guns. So they said, well, we
need to get the church involved, the big Church, the
Church of Jesus cuss every day saints. Let's include churches
in this and call it the safe to ban, safe
to teach, safe to worship, you know, act, or something
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like that. And they figured if they got church behind it,
it will pass. So we went in and because the
church was considering it and getting behind it, and so
we had some very very very high level meetings with
shall we say at least one of twelve people in
the church that were very high up, I'll just say
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it like that, anyway, one of twelve, yes, well, one
of thirteen, I guess, So anyway, and we came up
with what we called a a uh, what's.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The word A delicate decision. No, not that a anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And we said all right, because they were thinking, ah, well,
let's ban guns and churches, and they weren't necessarily thinking that.
I said, Hey, with the history of this church starting
in New York, coming all the way westward, think about
the governments that have and how the governments have treated you.
Do you really want to give a government that a
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bit again to tell the church what it can and
can't do. So he said, all right, how about we
make a law that said, if a church affirmatively decides
they want to prohibit guns in church, then they can
post a sign or they can notify BCI, and then
it'll have the effective law. But then it's an infraction.
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So we did that for years after that bill was passed,
and I know we're running short on time, but for
years after that bill had passed, nothing happened. They didn't
take advantage of it. They never they never notified the
notified BCI. And then I got a call from a
from a left lefty newspaper reporter and as an aside,
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he asked, hey, whatever happened to that lawn.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I said, well, the law is in effect.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It just the elders church saysn't have taken hasn't taken
advantage of it. So he printed that along with the
other bigger part of another story, and every bed wedding
liberal probably from this state and every other state called
the church. And next thing you know, they they started
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notifying BCI that they were prohibited. And it had been
that way up until twenty nineteen, which now it isn't anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So let's hope that doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, and leaving because the church is that when you're
in church, it's you're rather vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, well, and keep in mind on this too. I mean,
they haven't done it for five six years now, but
you know we're wondering, well, did they just forget? No,
they these guys didn't forget. There's a reason why they
did it. We don't know why didn't do it, I
should say, but they didn't forget. Now that was what Clark.
(29:48):
What you just told our audience was a mouthful if
you can fully understand the whole entire background of it.
That's why we have the ability to carry in school. Okay,
was part of this agreement with the LDS Church. Okay,
we have the ability now to carry within these house
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of worships in a way that if we do it right, folks,
we're going to still be able to enjoy this. Right.
Let's not screw it up. Let's not screw it up. Okay,
we've got a lot more to come back on on
gun Radio. Utah, hang in there, We've got one more segment.
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Stay tuned, and so you know it's I'm glad this
is happening. I really am glad that this is happening
because I've been doing.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
The reason the reason we didn't we were a little
out there to talk about it is because then because
then the cats out of the bag and people, because
other people that aren't necessarily friendly to firearms listen to
this show, well then calling their church authorities.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You brought it up earlier that there's a bunch of
bedwetters that you know are going to they will now
call church headquarters and say, hey, what the heck this
ain't right? Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Well
guess what.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We have all heard stories from our bishops look at
us and say, oh, I thought you were carrying We
all thought you were carrying.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Ween And you say, well, no, that would be against
the law.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So anyway, all right, Hey, interesting HR thirty eight House
Resolution thirty eight, which is the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act,
which says that your permit is good in all states.
All states will recognize your permit as as to up to.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And including whatever their state allows.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
So if their state doesn't allow you to go into
a school, then you couldn't do that, and so on
and so forth. But twenty four states attorneys generals are
all those plural that the way I know it's attorney
general is something. Anyway, twenty four including our own Utah
Attorney General Derek Brown, has signed onto that along with
twenty three other states attorney general in supporting HR thirty eight.
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So if you get a second while you're talking to
your Congress, your Congress critters, then let them know, yeah,
we're in support of HR thirty eight. Hey, Brad Thor,
New York Times bestselling author has his twenty fifth I
think book out called Edge of Honor. We have an
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appointment with him and we'll be interviewing him next month,
so watch that it comes out July first. But yeah,
Bill and I actually have copies, hardcover copies of that
that we are currently reading and trying to get through.
I hate reading them fast because I like to sabor
all that that intrigue.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
And espionage and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Hey, Davis County Shooting Range grand opening on the twenty
this month, and if everything goes right with technology and
sun spots and that kind of stuff, we're gonna be
broadcasting live from the Davis County Shooting Range on Saturday,
the twenty eighth of this month.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Paul Hubenthal, I was trying to get Paul on.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Maybe we'll get him on next week, but we're gonna
be broadcasting live.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That is the range that was under a lot of oh,
I don't know what to get.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Controversy, controversy, yeah, and it seems like it got ironed out.
And but you can get a free day pass when
you go to the range on that Saturday. I think
they I want to say they open up at eight am,
but double check.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
But it's the range.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It's up in Fruit Heights area, up on that far
east bench, Davis County Shooting Range.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Look them up.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But we'll definitely be broadcasting live from there on the
twenty eighth. We've got that, Oh, Democrat Chris Murphy and suppressors.
Chris Murphy is joining a whole bunch of in a
lawsuit against Trump administry right now, trying to ban because
he sees where suppressors are going and if everything works
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out right, that and short bild rifles and shotguns will
be off of the NFA, which they should be. I mean,
do you realize that even in Germany in Sweden. Sweden
just said they're not firearms anymore Germany and France. In France,
you can get in trouble if you're irritating people by
not using a suppressor.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Mean, when's the last time we took our clues from France?
But anyway, but I mean it anyway. So Chris Murphy, Democrat,
of course, is joining a whole bunch of other Democratic
state House members and senators and trying ensuing the Trump
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administration for this, saying that it'll have more criminal action
like this. You know, you do real is that firing
it out of forty five or firing it out of
an AR fifteen or something like that still has the
sound decibel of what one hundred and thirty. It's about
the sound of a jackhammer. So in fact, the suppressure
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manufacturers still tell you where hearing protection?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, while you're while you're shooting these things.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So we've got that. Let's see, we've got Marilyn Davis Cony,
Alex Marmots. I'm down three Marmots. I'm down three Mark
Well marmots. Or you call them rock tracks, Bill, You
think they're rock trucks.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, well I'm not. They're big, furry, ugly things.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
So they were digging under some some buildings we have
here on Ghost Eye, and we we kind of took
them out.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
So yeah, so no more with those.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Great if you run short on Ammo and you need
a Father's Day gift, they got nine millimeters one thousand
rounds or two hundred and nineteen over it flashed my brass.
How did How's that for throwing that in at the
last minute? Four thirty third South eighteen oh two Sanduel
Road in orm Ah, got it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Get over there today, Get over there today for your
for Father's for Father's Day.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Father's Day is a good gift. I always Lovemo for
Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Who would ever say, oh you got me more, Ammo?
Oh darn, I was hoping for a tie exactly, you know,
exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, I hope you take care of those, aren't marmots,
Keep them down, keep them at bay. I don't want
to see Kana get messed up or fouled up with
one of those things, So anyway.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I don't want to rolling around in one of them.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And there you go. Hey Clark, you have a great one.
We'll see you next week, and happy Father's Day to
everyone out there. And uh, we'll be back next week
with more fun and adventures, just like we did in
the first segment. Have a great one ever wanted?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah,
There we got that. There we go, there, we go,
go ahead, finish it up.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There was a little bit of a delay, a little
I think the marmots have been chewing on the layers
or something.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Oh my gosh, well it's all on you now, clerk.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
That fixs. We've got a heck of a show for
you today.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's yeah, sounds like we've got some communication connectivity issues,
so I'll just jump in here. We're so glad to
have you with us today on gun Radio Utah. We've
got a lot of things to cover here today. Happy
flag Day to everyone out there, and I guess it's
appropriate to also say happy two hundred and fiftieth birthday
(00:44):
for our military and the US Army. Appreciate your service
and everything. I hear there's some big shindigs going on
in Washington. I have not had a chance to see
or hear any of that, but but yeah, we'll take
a look and see if we can sneak in between
breaks and see what's going on in our famous national
(01:07):
land of Washington, d C. Yes, we've got a great
show for you today. We're to cover a number of
things today gun related.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Clark.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm hoping that you're back with us here. We're gonna
give it a try. Here. Can't see you, but I
can probably hear you. Okay, Oh, there's a good positive picture.
Clark has dropped off the line, so we'll just give
him a moment to join us back. That's the wonderful
(01:39):
thing of technology, Denny, is that we get to we're
victims of it as well as anything else, and so
we have to sometimes when we do these remote broadcasts.
I'm actually in studio here in the wonderful marble facade
of the West Valley stew videos here, but we do
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see Clark now the west.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
The West, I mean on the shores of Decker Lake.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The shores of Decker Lake. I wasn't going to go
quite that far. But how's that barbed wire fence internet
service that you've got out there, Maser working for you?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, no kidding, Bill, I need to have you come
out here because you're an expert in that kind of stuff,
so and get this thing fixed.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So anyway, did.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You no, Denny Kutz laughing, h Clark Clark Clark, Clark Clark.
I have no idea what might be going on. I
think he's just having some internet issues. So Clark you.
You kind of froze on us. Tell us about what
you've got for the show today. Oh, it's gonna be
(02:53):
one of those shows, Danny, because I just came into
the studio. Just so I'm I'm I'm not making excuses,
but I just came into the studio last minute, and
I was at a funeral service for a good friend
of our family, and and so I'm scrambling making notes
and trying to get put things together. But I do
(03:15):
see Clark moving around there, so hopefully Clark, you can
hear us. Okay, I'm gonna give you one more chance,
But what do you got for us? Clark? Can you
hear us?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I can, but it's on a different mic right now.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So I'm going to get right back to you as
I switch mixers on this thing.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, sounds good. So a lot of things happening in
the news. I'm gonna just go over a couple of things. Well,
Clark gets set up there and gets reconnected there. Of course,
there's we're seeing a lot of riots going on defunding ICE.
I was actually having an interesting conversation and then I
(03:54):
found out some historical significance on immigration, and it really
kind of surprises me why we're even having these so
called riots or these abolish ice scenarios, because when we
look at the original immigration policy back in I think
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it was nineteen oh four, nineteen oh seven. You know,
our country is very welcoming and we are very welcoming
country when it comes to immigration. But there's a big, huge,
significant difference between immigration back then and what we deal
with immigration today. And that is when immigrants came to
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the US, they came with a hope, a feeling, a
desire to do well and do well for themselves, do
well for their families, and to build a really nice
environment for their family to be raised in. They brought
their businesses, they brought their skill sets GUS. What they
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didn't rely on, they didn't rely on the government handing
out them monies or subsidies to make that life possible.
They did it themselves. Where now we have immigration coming
in and it's like, oh, what can you do for me,
you know, and start demanding from society the needs that
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they need to I mean, I guess live or whatever,
put them up in a hotel or whatever. But it's
totally black and white today. So hopefully we'll have a peaceful, quiet,
non exciting, violent protests. I'm fine for them to protest.
(05:44):
I'm all good for that. But it's interesting where I've
gone from. And I was telling Clark this earlier. I've
gone from a PPS to a nineteen eleven in my
everyday Carrie just in case, So Clark, I see you
there in the tropic little sand dunes. But if you
need to know, if.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You can hear me, yes, it gonna sounds so bad.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, you sound great. So I was just kind of
talking about some of the news feeds what's going on.
What we can do is diligent, you know, citizens, Libby
and gun owners and all that. But what do you
got for us today? You got one minute? I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Well, we're gonna have We're gonna have Alex Robinson with
Robinson Arms talking about the Short Act. I don't know
if this is coming through, but this has been fantastic.
He's done a lot of research on this and the
Robinson Arms is one of our favorite gun communities up
in the north of Salt Lake. They're fantastic. If you
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haven't checked that out, check out Robinson Arms. But we're
gonna have Alex on earlier or later in just a
bit after we come back from a break.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Okay, I'm looking forward to that. Haven't been to shots lately,
so I'm kind of really interested. We hear what he's
got on firearmwise as well too, So okay, why don't
we do this, Denny, Let's take an early break that
will get Clark hopefully to get reconnected, and we'll jump
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into our second segment and hopefully we'll sound a lot
more professional than us unpaid gun rights lobbyist gurus. So
when we come back on gun Radio to stay tuned
day of June twenty twenty five. Hey, and if you
haven't had a chance, get out and go sign up
on Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org. Make sure you get
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going to our Alerts tab. Just sign up on the
email alerts saying basically, when things come up and you
want to be involved or that, that's where we disseminate
all that information out is on our email alerts and
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you can be part of that family, that community that
gets proactively involved in in protecting your gun rights and
uh and.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And speaking of speaking of being proactively.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Involved, okay, is it is one of our good friends,
Alex Robinson. Alex Robinson is the owner and proprietor of
Robinson Arms.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
If you haven't checked out Robinson Arms.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
They have some of legitimately the coolest and best well
made firearms out there. In fact, Alex, thanks for joining
Gun Radio Utah.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Thanks Clark, it's great to be on your show.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know, I'm going to tell you a little story.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I've got a good friend of mine who's a fantastic
gunsmith and a big time shooter, Steve, and he knows
that I have this expeditionary rifle the and I can't
remember them, Mom, I'm but it's it's an old one
and it was from your company, and we had it
as a range gun at a range that I gun
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Storm range that I used to work at, and it
has easily hundreds of thousands of rounds through the thing,
and we never cleaned it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
We never cleaned the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Finally, something after you know, just beaten that thing, finally,
one little teeny part inside broke, you guys came out
and we sent it back to you and you instantly
replaced the part and said, do you ever clean this thing?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Anyways?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The thing just still functions. And my buddy wants that
rifle so bad, that expeditionary rifle from me, and I won't.
I won't sell it to them.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So anyways, you're still making fantastic guns out there, though.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
We try to.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
We we're not a fan of the AR platform, so
we made our own, and we and many of our
customers who owned them believe it's the best, best tactical
rifle you can get. I didn't come on your show
to kind of pimp my guns.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I know, I know, but I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I appreciate I appreciate it. We can use all the
business we can get. But I'm really concerned about what's
going on with Congress right now.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Okay, we've got the Suppressor Act, the Shush Act, and
that's kind of you know, we're hoping that the Senate
picks it up and doesn't change it in the big
beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
But now there's another bill out there that we have
talked about briefly. Let's tell us about the Short Act.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Yeah, the Short Act, and that's short for Stop Harassing
Owners of Rifles Today.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Act.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
What it is is it's meant to get short barreled
rifles and short bailed shotguns out of the NFA the
National Firearms Act, so you no longer have to register
and pay that tax and have a registered firearm with
your name on it in the government's hands. This is
probably the most important piece of legislation gun wise that's
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come along for in my lifetime. I mean, I started
out in the early eighties as an NFA dealer with
machine guns and that sort of things, and they were
banned in eighty six. And these short barrel rifles and
shotguns are not dangerous that they were added to the
National Farms Act in nineteen thirty four because some of
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the gangsters were using short barreled rifles and shotguns and
they thought it was a neat thing.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
To it's just a way to control us. And there's
a two under dollar tax.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That two hundred dollars tax was back then was like
three four thousand dollars today it would be. And it
really discouraged people from buying machine guns, short barreled rifles
and shotguns. As you know, in eighty six, the machine
guns we can no longer own those made after May nineteen,
nineteen eighty six. But they're a gun with a rifle
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with a barrel less than sixteen inches and less than
an overall length of twenty six If you have one
of those of your possession, it's not registered. It's two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine and ten years in jail.
So this is a very serious thing. And we have
the opportunity to take these out of the NFA, which
means you'd just buy them like a normal firearm. You
wouldn't have to pay the tax, we wouldn't have to
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have that go through that special FBI background check, and
I go through all that nonsense and have your name
on it with the government, so it's registered.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So, Alex, were we at today at this very moment
with the Short Act? Were with the Suppressor Act? Where
we at with the Short Act?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
The Suppressor Act got in the big beautiful bill of
the House version of the Bill.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The Short Act did not.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
And I can't understand why other than the Sonser companies
are making tons of money and they had a lot
of lobbing power. But really the Short Act's more important,
I think because all these people with armbraces in the
future they could, It could become illegal for them. They
could be deemed short buriled rifles and shotguns, and they
could be exposed to some huge penalties. This is a
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perfect time now, So the Senate, the Senate, bless their heart,
has actually got it's bill.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Let's see said Bill one two.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Uh, it's in there.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And Mike, Mike Lee, bless his heart, he's signed on
as a co sponsor. I haven't heard from Curtis yet,
wonder where he is on that. And our congress people
will have to get involved again because I don't know
why Congress, our congress people didn't get involved with this
and why it isn't in the House version of the bill.
It just I think a lot of our your listeners
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out there may not even know this is going on.
And this is why I called you and said, hey, Clark,
what can we do to get awareness of this?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, let me jump in because what so right now,
what we need to do is because it's gonna have
it's gonna the Short Act. If it gets into the
Senate version, it still has to go back to the House,
and so we're gonna need the House members to vote
on it, and the Senate vote on it. So you
need to contact your legislature US Congress, whether it be
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more Malloy, Kennedy, UH, Burgers, John's Uh, and then Senator
Curtis and Senator Lee and tell them you want this
in the bill.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You want it in there. And what we want is
the way that the the the Shush Act, the Suppressor
Act is just get rid of it. No NFA anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You can just purchase them, just like you purchase a
regular rifle or handgun over the counter. Now, but what
if I don't own a short world rifle, What if
I don't have any plans to buy a short world rifle?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Why is this important to me?
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Well, I think they're they're really great, especial for self defense.
And you know, if you want something more powerful than
a pistol to keep in your vehicle. Now, I don't
think people to just leave guns in their vehicle all
the time and attended, but when you're in your vehicle,
it's nice to have that kind of firepower just in
case you got one of these riots. You get to
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say you got in the middle one of these riots. Yeah,
had to shoot your way out. I hate to say
things like that.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, but I'm talking about from a gun control
from a government control perspective, Why should why should we
be looking at at diminishing the federal government's opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Do all that with us?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Well, that's easy. Randy Weaver is a great case in point.
You know, I don't know if you remember that case
back then, but some government operative got him to harassed
him to cut down a rifle or shotgun below.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The legal limit just an inch or half an inch.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
It was like a half an inch, and they killed
his wife, holding their baby, and his son.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
You know, this was it was a setup to start with.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Thank goodness, he won millions of dollars in a civil
lawsuit later on.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But you know, this is the kind of thing that
can happen.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
So you know, every there's supposedly there's forty million of
these arm braced guns out there that could become illegal overnights.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That all it would take is we have a seemingly
friendly administration right now, but that you can see how
quickly that can change. So what is the message to
our US House and US Senate members, Alex you.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Must absolutely pass the Short Act as part of the
big beautiful Bill.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
There's no reason not to.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
It is a taxing so the government will get less
tax But think about this, Think they won't be chasing
all these short bailed rifle cases and all the money
that's spent trying to enforce a ridiculous law to begin with.
You know, this is this a win And there's uh,
there's just so much just as part of this act too,
anyone that has a short bailed rifle or short beled childgun,
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they're going to destroy your records that they have, that
you have.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That that's part of the Short Act.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So this is this is a great piece of legislation
if we can get it in the bill and get
it in the reconciliation and get it through.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And we should try with all our might.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I mean this, I've been doing this for forty years
and this is the most I feel this is the
most important bill you could have a say in. And okay,
now don't even know about it. Okay, So why is
it important? Why is it important this moment? Why can't
we wait a year? Why can't we wait? You know,
well we could, you know, but we don't know what
the next Congress is going to look like. It just
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seems like the momentum is here to do it historically
after the midterms.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Historically after the midterms, it changes, it shifts in you know,
like in this case it's Republicans, it'll shift to Democrats,
the party in power there. We may still you know,
obviously we'll still have the executive the presidency, but we're barely.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Holding on right now.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Now's the time to do it because the mid terms,
if it goes like it typically does, that party in
power and that will never go at that time.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And and if we don't get it done now, this
is in the budget, the big beautiful budget.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Bill, which requires just one more than half.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Any other thing requires a bigger majority, and we don't
have that ability in the House or the Senate right now.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But with this bill we do. We can do it.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Alex, I want to thank you for for doing this,
and we're going to recommend you go on even just
Google and find out who your US House and US
Senate member is and contact them via email, via phone call,
via text message and let them know to pass the
Shush Act in the House and the Senate. Get that going,
(18:42):
get that in there. It's already written, it's it's been
it's been vetted. So Alex thank you for being on
gun Radio, Utah. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
All Right, now I've got to tell you about if
you if you haven't gun, this is not working so well.
If it's if it's a little, if it's a little,
a little hinky, a little funky, you want it.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You want it, I don't know, reblued. You want it
to sarah coated. You want it fixed.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The
gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy
West in Salt Lake City can.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Take care of it for you, whatever it needs.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You can give them a call. It AIGHTO one three
zero four eighty seventy eight. One three zero four eighty
seventy four. You can take it into any of the
over one hundred and forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. They
will get it done and get it over to the
gunsmith for you and Bill. It's it looks like for
the time being, my communication problems have been fixed. But
(19:43):
let's everybody collectively cross your fingers and make sure that
a satellite doesn't pass in between us and the Sun
or something like that. And when we come back on
Gun Radio Utah. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Boh, yeah, we glad to have you here today. And oh,
did you hear this bill's guns on the street.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
We lose ninety three million Americans a day to gun violence?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Did you know that bill? Million americans a day a day?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
There goes Utah, Wyoming, New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You know, we've got what three hundred and forty million
americans in the entire United States. That gives us about
four or five days I think until that's.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It four or five hours.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So that was former Governor Terry mccauliffe out of Virginia
that gave those startling statistics ninety three million.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And he said it, and nobody know him.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I know that's the thing. It's like, uh stop, stop, stop, stop,
back up.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He also he also had he also gave some interesting
information on ghost guns and bump stocks and stuff like that. Hey,
I've got to play something that our good friends Cody
and Coley made a little a little bumper here.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
We just ghost gun thirty rounds under half a second done.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It doesn't even care where they go for fun, It.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Just goes the way. So that's thirty rounds and under
half a second. It is ghost gun anyway, thank you
God on the one.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
All right, Bill, this is something I'm gonna bring up,
something you didn't want me to bring up.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I still bring it up. I still don't it's this important.
It is.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
This is a very important thing. Now not all of
our listeners are gonna appreciate this, but it does go
in the right direction. I don't really want to talk
about this, but this is a huge thing for gun
owners of Utah.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Bill we have never hit hidden. It's like our legislative
ideas we have.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We have a bunch of legislative ideas for this next session.
And I've already talked to sponsors and that kind of stuff,
and they said, well should we the bill public? Absolutely,
we don't hide from these things. And I think that
the more people talk about it, the more the truth
will come out. If our position on these things were
(22:12):
so tenuous and so weak, yeah, bring it up at
the very last minute and don't let anybody talk about it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But ours is strong.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Ours is it's a strong it's a truthful, it's a
good position.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
And so here it goes.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, let me lay the groundwork before you go into this,
because there's a big backstory on this whole thing of
how this happened. And no one knows about the backstory,
but a handful of people. One you know the backstory
because you were in the meeting with the elder in
the church. Okay, I just said it LDS church. Okay,
(22:50):
this is going somewhere, folks, Okay, all right, you can't
have firearms in They don't want you to carry firearms
in the meeting houses.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, and there was a law peck, Yeah, it was
a lot polls seventy six, ten, five thirty. And it's
a new it's a new section now. But anyway, it
what it is is that there are two places in Utah,
two private places in Utah, not state government, not federal government,
but the only two private places in Utah that if
(23:22):
they post a signe or if they tell you verbally
that you cannot bring a gun onto the property that is,
then that's the law. At that point, it's an infraction,
but it would you would be breaking the law if
you crossed over the threshold. Now, a church, a church,
those those two places are churches and homes. Churches and
(23:43):
homes have the ability to have their sign have the
weight of law or have their verbal notice you can't
bring a gun in here.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Have the weight of law. Now a church has one
added ability.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
They can if they don't want to post a sign,
they can notify BCI they're of Kumlin Invocation before February
of each year and have them put that on their website.
That way, when you walk into the church, you don't
see a big sign with a gun with a line
through it or something like that. And then permit holders
or those carrying guns are responsible to check BCI's website
(24:17):
at the end of February and it's good for a year. Well,
our good friend Mitch Velos contacted me and said, hey,
according to BCI's website, they haven't The Church of Jesus
Christ Loliday Saints has not re upped their prohibition their
band because they had had that band, they'd contacted BCI.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Well, I got looking and Bill, you were with me,
weren't you.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, we called, we called, We called BCI and we
talked to the person in charge there.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And he confirmed, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
They hadn't done it, and they hadn't done it in
six years, since twenty nineteen. And I said, well, it's
still on the website and how long did it take
Bill thirty minutes?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Well, yeah, we were trying to go get screenshots of
what was currently on the website, and by the time
we did it was gone.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It was gone website.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So end result is, yeah, there's no prohibition right now
unless and I have never heard of this happening, unless
someone an authoritied to act on behalf of the church
in that building, you know, a bishop or council or
something like that, or they put up a sign. Right now,
there is no prohibition against carrying a firearm otherwise lawfully
(25:40):
there you go, you know, otherwise lawfully inside a church meetinghouse.
So now, why Bill, were you hesitant to bring this up?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, what I don't want to have happen is a
lot of people just start open carrying in the in
in churches that might cause a scene or cause an
issue with younger kids or whatnot.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Do you recommend just discreetly maintaining your life's greatly maintaining.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Absolutely. I am one behind that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay, But how about well let me let me let
me go back. You you wanted to go back a
little bit, so way back when I don't know what's
it been, I want to say, twenty years ago or something.
We're in a meeting and there was an initiative out
there to ban guns in schools because we could, Utah
was one of the very few states, uh to ban
guns in school or to not ban in schools as
(26:34):
long as you had to permit and uh, the the
handringy Bedweathers wanted to ban that, and they thought, oh,
this is just not going to happen in Utah because
everybody loves loves our guns. So they said, well, we
need to get the church involved, the big Church, the
Church of Jesus cuss every day saints. Let's include churches
in this and call it the safe to ban, safe
to teach, safe to worship, you know, act, or something
(26:57):
like that. And they figured if they got church behind it,
it will pass. So we went in and because the
church was considering it and getting behind it, and so
we had some very very very high level meetings with
shall we say at least one of twelve people in
the church that were very high up, I'll just say
(27:19):
it like that, anyway, one of twelve, yes, well, one
of thirteen, I guess, So anyway, and we came up
with what we called a a uh, what's.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The word A delicate decision. No, not that a anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And we said all right, because they were thinking, ah, well,
let's ban guns and churches, and they weren't necessarily thinking that.
I said, Hey, with the history of this church starting
in New York, coming all the way westward, think about
the governments that have and how the governments have treated you.
Do you really want to give a government that a
(27:59):
bit again to tell the church what it can and
can't do. So he said, all right, how about we
make a law that said, if a church affirmatively decides
they want to prohibit guns in church, then they can
post a sign or they can notify BCI, and then
it'll have the effective law. But then it's an infraction.
(28:20):
So we did that for years after that bill was passed,
and I know we're running short on time, but for
years after that bill had passed, nothing happened. They didn't
take advantage of it. They never they never notified the
notified BCI. And then I got a call from a
from a left lefty newspaper reporter and as an aside,
(28:43):
he asked, hey, whatever happened to that lawn.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I said, well, the law is in effect.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It just the elders church saysn't have taken hasn't taken
advantage of it. So he printed that along with the
other bigger part of another story, and every bed wedding
liberal probably from this state and every other state called
the church. And next thing you know, they they started
(29:07):
notifying BCI that they were prohibited. And it had been
that way up until twenty nineteen, which now it isn't anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So let's hope that doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, and leaving because the church is that when you're
in church, it's you're rather vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, well, and keep in mind on this too. I mean,
they haven't done it for five six years now, but
you know we're wondering, well, did they just forget? No,
they these guys didn't forget. There's a reason why they
did it. We don't know why didn't do it, I
should say, but they didn't forget. Now that was what Clark.
(29:48):
What you just told our audience was a mouthful if
you can fully understand the whole entire background of it.
That's why we have the ability to carry in school. Okay,
was part of this agreement with the LDS Church. Okay,
we have the ability now to carry within these house
(30:15):
of worships in a way that if we do it right, folks,
we're going to still be able to enjoy this. Right.
Let's not screw it up. Let's not screw it up. Okay,
we've got a lot more to come back on on
gun Radio. Utah, hang in there, We've got one more segment.
(30:36):
Stay tuned, and so you know it's I'm glad this
is happening. I really am glad that this is happening
because I've been doing.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
The reason the reason we didn't we were a little
out there to talk about it is because then because
then the cats out of the bag and people, because
other people that aren't necessarily friendly to firearms listen to
this show, well then calling their church authorities.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You brought it up earlier that there's a bunch of
bedwetters that you know are going to they will now
call church headquarters and say, hey, what the heck this
ain't right? Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Well
guess what.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We have all heard stories from our bishops look at
us and say, oh, I thought you were carrying We
all thought you were carrying.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Ween And you say, well, no, that would be against
the law.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So anyway, all right, Hey, interesting HR thirty eight House
Resolution thirty eight, which is the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act,
which says that your permit is good in all states.
All states will recognize your permit as as to up to.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And including whatever their state allows.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
So if their state doesn't allow you to go into
a school, then you couldn't do that, and so on
and so forth. But twenty four states attorneys generals are
all those plural that the way I know it's attorney
general is something. Anyway, twenty four including our own Utah
Attorney General Derek Brown, has signed onto that along with
twenty three other states attorney general in supporting HR thirty eight.
(32:13):
So if you get a second while you're talking to
your Congress, your Congress critters, then let them know, yeah,
we're in support of HR thirty eight. Hey, Brad Thor,
New York Times bestselling author has his twenty fifth I
think book out called Edge of Honor. We have an
(32:34):
appointment with him and we'll be interviewing him next month,
so watch that it comes out July first. But yeah,
Bill and I actually have copies, hardcover copies of that
that we are currently reading and trying to get through.
I hate reading them fast because I like to sabor
all that that intrigue.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
And espionage and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Hey, Davis County Shooting Range grand opening on the twenty
this month, and if everything goes right with technology and
sun spots and that kind of stuff, we're gonna be
broadcasting live from the Davis County Shooting Range on Saturday,
the twenty eighth of this month.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Paul Hubenthal, I was trying to get Paul on.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Maybe we'll get him on next week, but we're gonna
be broadcasting live.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That is the range that was under a lot of oh,
I don't know what to get.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Controversy, controversy, yeah, and it seems like it got ironed out.
And but you can get a free day pass when
you go to the range on that Saturday. I think
they I want to say they open up at eight am,
but double check.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
But it's the range.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It's up in Fruit Heights area, up on that far
east bench, Davis County Shooting Range.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Look them up.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But we'll definitely be broadcasting live from there on the
twenty eighth. We've got that, Oh, Democrat Chris Murphy and suppressors.
Chris Murphy is joining a whole bunch of in a
lawsuit against Trump administry right now, trying to ban because
he sees where suppressors are going and if everything works
(34:05):
out right, that and short bild rifles and shotguns will
be off of the NFA, which they should be. I mean,
do you realize that even in Germany in Sweden. Sweden
just said they're not firearms anymore Germany and France. In France,
you can get in trouble if you're irritating people by
not using a suppressor.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Mean, when's the last time we took our clues from France?
But anyway, but I mean it anyway. So Chris Murphy, Democrat,
of course, is joining a whole bunch of other Democratic
state House members and senators and trying ensuing the Trump
(34:52):
administration for this, saying that it'll have more criminal action
like this. You know, you do real is that firing
it out of forty five or firing it out of
an AR fifteen or something like that still has the
sound decibel of what one hundred and thirty. It's about
the sound of a jackhammer. So in fact, the suppressure
(35:13):
manufacturers still tell you where hearing protection?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, while you're while you're shooting these things.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So we've got that. Let's see, we've got Marilyn Davis Cony,
Alex Marmots. I'm down three Marmots. I'm down three Mark
Well marmots. Or you call them rock tracks, Bill, You
think they're rock trucks.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, well I'm not. They're big, furry, ugly things.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
So they were digging under some some buildings we have
here on Ghost Eye, and we we kind of took
them out.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
So yeah, so no more with those.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Great if you run short on Ammo and you need
a Father's Day gift, they got nine millimeters one thousand
rounds or two hundred and nineteen over it flashed my brass.
How did How's that for throwing that in at the
last minute? Four thirty third South eighteen oh two Sanduel
Road in orm Ah, got it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Get over there today, Get over there today for your
for Father's for Father's Day.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Father's Day is a good gift. I always Lovemo for
Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Who would ever say, oh you got me more, Ammo?
Oh darn, I was hoping for a tie exactly, you know,
exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, I hope you take care of those, aren't marmots,
Keep them down, keep them at bay. I don't want
to see Kana get messed up or fouled up with
one of those things, So anyway.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I don't want to rolling around in one of them.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And there you go. Hey Clark, you have a great one.
We'll see you next week, and happy Father's Day to
everyone out there. And uh, we'll be back next week
with more fun and adventures, just like we did in
the first segment. Have a great one ever wanted?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah,
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