Gun Radio Utah: John Corriea Interview; Man Shoots himself "below the belt"

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On Radio Utah. I am Clark Aposchan. Your your host
on this side. The host on the other side, Bill Patterson,
director of the Utah Shooting Sports Council.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
The microphone smells again. It does, yeah, it does it
just I'm going to bring some No, I won't say anything. Okay, Anyway,
we've got We've got a heck of a show. We
are Facebook live.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
If you go to Gun Radio Utah Facebook page, you
can actually, like I said, a peek behind the curtain,
like from the Wizard of Oz kind of a thing.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, is that right that?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm so sick of Wizard of Oz right now? Every
cent because of Wicked. And the kids said, hey, Dad,
let's go to Wicked. No, I'm not going to what
kids said that? Hannah? Karen really yeah, And I said, nope,
you're on your own.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
So Bill, I got a new truck.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Are you getting a new truck?

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Now?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm one truck up on you, You're.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
One truck up on me. Karen was really yep. I
know speaker the other day and she gave me the
death stare of a lifetime. I mean, I can't remember
the last time I've seen that look.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
It's not a good look, it's not pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, maybe maybe she should get the new truck and
then you could just use it at Casey won't drive
my truck though she doesn't. She didn't like the se
the black one, And we don't know the name for
this new This new truck is completely is white with
black accents, and it's a it's a three quarter ton
five hundred RAM Rebel Rebel turbo diesel.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah. I think part of the problem is is that
the step ladder that she has to put it out
to get in.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, this one, let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I thought it was coming with the automatic running boards
because it's got leather seats, which I really didn't need.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I told them I didn't need the leather seats. But
that's a Rebel thing, is that right? Oh, for the
Rebel package. So I didn't. I didn't realize that. So anyway,
and it's got it's got a lift, a bit of
a lift on it. But I want more. I want
I want hideously you know. Uh. Anyway, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
So it was supposed to have those and I'm getting
in there and I'm like looking around and I'm like, okay,
that it didn't lower. Maybe I have to turn a
button on for an automatic. No, I got the windowsticker
out and it didn't have that. But it has surround camera.
I can look at the truck from a bird's eye view. Somehow,
I don't know. It's all a you haven't seen the bird. No,

(02:34):
let me tell you what we got going to besides
Facebook live on Gun Radio Utah facebook page. We are
going to talk about Oh, I do want to mention
flash my brash when we get when we get going,
but uh, Vista Outdoors sold their kinetic group. Talk about that.
It is I think that's the last straw. I don't

(02:55):
know what Vista has left, but anyway sold it. We'll
talk about that. A judge in I want to say,
maybe Texas. I can't remember for sure, but a federal
judge has ruled on does the Second Amendment apply to
people that are living in the United States, even if

(03:17):
they are here illegally?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I have.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
It's an interesting question because automatically, you know, we'll talk
about it, but automatically my first instance, No, you got
to be a US citizen, but you don't have to
be a US citizen to own firearms here in the
United States. There's a couple of little minor hoops you
have to jump through, but those are people that are
legally here.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
If you're illegally here, should you I think? My okay, Tyler,
let's see height. Tyler Stark, thank you, Tyler Stark. Okay.
So I want to talk.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
About that, because what's the Second Amendment for if not
for self defense? All right, So we'll talk about that
if we get a sec we'll talk about Judiciary Chairman,
the Senate Judiciary Chairman Dick Durbin, who's obviously on his
last days as chairman of that Senate committee. I think
he has either read the writing on the wall or

(04:14):
read the room, so to speak, because he made a
statement in the Judiciary Committee about guns that kind of
almost like he gets it. He finally gets it when
we talk about that, and maybe if we have time,
we'll talk about do criminals where do criminals get their guns?

(04:36):
And they're stolen most of the time, but how many
of them get them from gun shows? From from regular
private sales, blah blah blah that kind of stuff, and
should you leave your gun in your vehicle? My point
when we talk about this is going to be out
of necessity we sometimes have to leave our firearm in
our vehicle if we're going into a you know, a

(04:57):
gun free zone something like that.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
What have you?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
You have? You have something we work.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, So last week we we posed the question Doug
called in last week regarding capacity when we get magazine
capacity and self defense.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
So when I said, I said something like, I don't
think you're going to go for your other magazine, you know,
but still carry him, still practice, But I don't think
you're ever going to go for him.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
But you have an expert, you have the yes.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
So we've got John Korea on a second segment with
active self protection. If you haven't seen his YouTube channel,
go out and check it out, pull it up. But
he looks at things from a kind of a an
angle from whether it's law enforcement or the individual, or
the bad guy or the good guy. He looks at
it from all different types of angles on this to

(05:48):
help us become better. What I would say, learn from
others' mistakes.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Maybe, I think.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So that's pretty because he's a he's a tactical instructor.
Also he is a an expert. They call on him
in court to be an expert. An expert not necessarily
expert witness. I guess expert witness. Yeah, but I've done
a little of that, nowhere near what he has done.
The one thing, the other thing I really like about

(06:14):
John Korea is his ability to articulate and explain to
folks so they get it. Because there's a lot of
really good tactical firearm instructors that give great information, but
they there their way of communicating it isn't is not
so great?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, So he looks at the use of force and
breaks it all down into a microscopic level that information,
though I got questions absolutely. In fact, it was funny
because I was just talking about this over at Brent's
place at Flashed my Rush, and I've had people come
up to me and say, hey, Bill, we heard the show.

(06:53):
What about capacity? And I'm like, well, here's the thought process.
And we can look at it from an individual self
defender's perspective, and we can look at it from law
enforcement's perspective. Because they're carrying magazines galore on you know,
on their belt they carry the high capacity magazines. But
is it really necessary? And now I'm not saying go

(07:17):
get rid of your glock nineteen and go with a
smaller gun, but think about the application and you know, I'll.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Tell you this.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I cannot wait to have him explain it because he's
been at gun rights policy conference where he talked quite
a bit about other stuff. Just fantastic. I'm really looking
forward to it. Yeah, so that's going to be when's
he coming on the next segment?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah? And then also I've got hey, if you shoot
yourself below the belt, what does that really mean? And
what impact can I have on you as an individual?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
What impact?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, we know what the impact was, but we're going
to talk about an Indiana man who may have done
this and what he's up against now.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
So well, okay, I have a question, Yeah, should he
be should he be punished? So that I don't want
you to answer right now, but I'm just going to
wonder should he be punished for what he did to
him south.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Or has he been punished enough?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah? Exactly? Hey.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Uh that so stay tuned. John care is coming up
in the next segment, So stay tuned. Will be right back.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Gun Radio, Utah. So glad to have you with us
on this beautiful post Thanksgiving holiday, and hopefully you had
a nice time with your family and friends and didn't
get kicked out or didn't see any shaved women in
your group? Did you see my first turkey? Oh you did?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
In the oven or out of the oven.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Scared the hell out of everybody in the frozen food area.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Oh jeez, I knew that was coming.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
With that, we got a special guest with his h
with us, Clark John Korea, president and founder of Active
Self Protection. We've got him on the line with us. John,
welcome to Gun Radio Utah here in Salt Lake City,
and uh.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Well thanks for having me. I'm grateful to be here. Yeah,
we are actually worldwide on iHeart. Yes, we are worldwide
on iHeart. But hey, John, you've got to help Clark
and I out. We had a conversation last week in
regarding to gun magazines and if it's necessary to carry
a high capacity magazine or even a spare magazine with you,

(09:19):
and we thought we would come to you since you
are the expert. You've got this great social media platform,
Active guns or Active Self Protection. Tell us a little
bit about active self Protection and what it entails.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well. Active Self Protection is a self defense in firearms
training company I always say, based out of Phoenix, Arizona,
that's where I live. But we what we're known for.
I am a court admitted expert in use of force
and firearms and in self defense, and every day we
analyze the real life use of force caught on camera
and bring lessons learned to the public. If people know

(09:58):
who I am. If you've ever heard someone talk and
give lessons while somebody got mugged on YouTube, it was me, yep,
And we bring those every day. We have our own
family of apps as well that we do all kinds
of other content for. We have a second channel that
we do self defense training, firearms, legal and moral self defense,
those kinds of things. So we train every day. I'm
a fire and instructor and a training junkie, but mostly

(10:20):
known for use of force. And we've analyzed somewhere north
of fifty thousand real gunfights that people have gotten into,
trying to make people's training more research informed.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Well, and that's one of the great things, because I
think you're the most qualified to answer this question. And
we're going to talk a little bit more about this.
But Clark brought this up last week.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I said, I said, basically, whatever's in your gun is
what you're going to end up using not what's on
your belt necessarily.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
However, I stand here ready to be proven wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, because we've never seen that show.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Just you don't have to prove it, you just have
to do right.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
But we've never seen I've never seen on your videos.
And you're you've got a huge video audience. I mean,
you got three point three million subscribers. You're seeing, you know,
probably over a million, what forty to sixty million monthly views,
I mean that and then a lifetime of one point
eight billion. I mean, I think you're the most qualified.
But out of the videos that I've even watched from

(11:21):
a from a citizen's perspective and a self defensive perspective,
let's we'll stay on track with that. I've never seen
someone do a mag change, all right, let's sharin, Yeah,
I've never heard.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
So you've got to differentiate here between law enforcement and
private citizens, because cops use reloads all the time, because
we have a difference in mission. Right at its core,
a law enforcement officer's mission is to close distance with
somebody who needs to be arrested and arrest them. So
when somebody shoots at a cop, that cop is going

(11:55):
to pursue that gunfight until either that purpose in custody
or the police officers completely incapacitating. Whereas you and I,
as private citizens, our mission is to break contact from
deadly threats. So as soon as I can get away
from somebody who is an imminent threat of death or
great bodily harm, you and I as private citizens, are
going to do that exactly. And the cops use reloads

(12:16):
all the time because they're chasing bad guys and chasing
them down holes, Whereas you and I, if the bad
guy scampers off, we let them go and we call
the cops. So in all the videos that we've analyzed,
I have never seen a private citizen use any rounds
from a reload in any capacity. So I've never seen
a private citizen.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I'm I think you yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
I've seen a few instances where it's potential that you know,
somebody they ran out when they run out with what's
in the gun, and we see those at at six
and at ten or eleven, those happened there, and they're
usually at that point the fight is over the bad guy.
You know, it's one or lost either way, right, But

(13:06):
there's probably been ten or fifteen where maybe potentially possibly
a reload could have been involved in some way. But
for me and for mine, what I suggest to people
is that whatever's in the gun is what you're gonna
fight with, and therefore I would carry the highest capacity

(13:27):
that you can reasonably and consistently conceal the nobody like, yeah, yeah,
I mean thund seventeen plus one. Yeah, so you know,
I carry eighteen and that's what I you know, I
like too, But I also occasionally, now I've shifted just
a little bit every once in a while to an

(13:47):
HKCC nine, which is you know, twelve plus one, so
thirteen rounds in the gun. And I don't feel undergunned
with that. Of course, skilled Trump's everything right.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Right exactly, talk about that, talk about that, Yeah, let's
talk about that. If I have less rounds, am I
going to be probably more of a better shooter than
maybe someone that has a higher capacity magazine. The reason
why I bring this up is we're talking about this
on a previous show goes back, Like you remember when

(14:16):
New York City law enforcement shot eighty six rounds and
only hit the bad guy once and that was in
the ankle. Now, for you and I, John, we have
to own every bullet that comes out. And our good
friend Brian Hoffner always says, if you miss your target,
every missshots at dead baby is a dead baby. Okay.

(14:36):
And so we're held at a little bit different standard
than law enforcement here.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Well, we're really not in all reality, So from a
criminal perspective of liability, we're held do the same standard
that a law enforcement officer is held to. From a
civil liability, they obviously are you know, they're acting under
the offices of the public, so they have qualified immunity
from a civil perspective, not from a criminal perspective. So
if a cop kills a baby with a gun, and

(15:03):
they do so in a negligent, a reckless manner, they're
just as liable for that as you or I on.
People don't recognize that. But thankfully it's a big world
and bullets are small, and so when we see officers
do that, they don't you know, very seldom is someone
else injured in that, and we're grateful for that, of course.
So I do think what you said there though, that

(15:23):
you said, you know, we're better shooters, so we have
you know, fewer capacity. Those two aren't necessarily connected. I
see private citizens use a gun basically as a rattlesnake rattle.
I mean, they're death popping and sending rounds off into
the wild blue yonder at rates that are every bit
as much as the average law enforcement officer is. Now,

(15:44):
your average cop has significantly more handgun training than the
average private citizen carrying a gun. Now, they're abysmal with
those guns. And there's a host of reasons for that,
And of course we recommend far more than the average
police officer has been trained with firearm for the average
private citizen. So I really think you should. But in

(16:04):
that moment there what one of the things that we
see all the time. I use the phrase that it
is really hard to miss fast enough to win a gunfight,
but it's really easy to hit slow enough to lose one.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, which one?

Speaker 3 (16:19):
That's a very good point.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, all right, you want to you want a bucket
full of both, And and so saying hey man, you
know we got to be more accurate, Well, you got
to You got to shoot at the speed of competence,
not the speed of need. And people shoot at the
speed of need all the time, and they they panic fire. Well,
they can panic fire all the way through what they have,

(16:41):
and so we gotta we got to combat that with
emotional fitness.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well, I you know, as I've seen some I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I have no uh experience the degree of experience with
videos that you do. But I see some cops essentially
laying down cover fire, and some regular folks like you
and me laying down cover fire as opposed to accurately shoot.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Here's another question.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'd like you to go into lights, lights, maybe even
lasers on guns.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
What are your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
For the average private citizen. I think that they're not wrong.
I mean, if you want to put a light on
the gun, go ahead. I just don't ever see them
as a necessary thing outside the home for private citizens
against a mission thing. Right, Cops chase bad guys into
dark places because they have to chase bad guys and
take them into custody. If a bad guy scampers off
into a dark place, let him go as a private citizen.
And also, if it's too dark for you to see them,

(17:34):
then it's probably too dark for them to see you
and target you. You know, we don't. Real darkness that
private citizens encounter is a Walmart parking lot at night.
Right is for most Americans, Right, they're suburban nites. Now,
if you live in a really rural area and when
you step outside of the piggly wiggly, the parking lot's
completely dark or whatever. All right, maybe, but I think

(17:57):
ninety five ninety seven percent of Americans don't live in
those environments. So it's not wrong to have one. But
it's not really a thing that comes up in private
citizen encounters. And also, almost nobody trains with their pistol
mounted light, even cops. I haul around badge cams at
cops all the time for failure to use their pistol
mounted light in anything resembling as a skilled manner. And

(18:18):
so if you're not training with it and not recent
with it, it's just a will be And if I
don't care, if you want to carry it, we'll be
carry it.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Will be all right. Now, there's another question, well two questions.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
How many rounds are typically fired in a regular non
law enforcement regular folks like May and Bill. How many
rounds are typically fired in self defense? And distances? What
distances you know?

Speaker 5 (18:43):
I can't give you an average. I wish I could
to invest in the kind of statistical analysis that that
would take. I often on a video if I don't
get to talk to the person afterwards, I don't get
an exact number of rounds. Because the frame rates of video,
often we will miss rounds that got fired. So it
might look like five were fired, but eight were fired.

(19:03):
That's a limitation of video and frame rate. Okay, I
will say that we see anywhere from zero to the
most I've seen in a defensive encounter that was deemed
justified by the local DA. I've seen sixteen. Oh, and
that's because they had a you know, fifteen plus one
that ran to the end. Ok And I was a
little surprised that the DA let him get away with
that one. Quite frankly, I'm glad he did. It was

(19:24):
a justified shooting, but he did fire that guy a lot.
So at distances, usually the shooting starts somewhere around five
yards is pretty typical. Somewhere around a car length. That's
you know, Tom Gibbons is pretty famous for saying that
somewhere around a car length five to seven yards is
very typical for where the gunfighting starts. There's a myth

(19:46):
that it starts much closer.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Not usually.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Actually, you know, three yards is not uncommon, but somewhere
around five six yards is pretty common, but they can
open up really quick in a private citizen encounter. I
have seen justified defitsive shootings. I mean we can all
think about Eli Dickens at the Mall in Indiana. Yeah,
and he had shots on target past forty yards and
those were entirely justified shots. So I always tell folks

(20:13):
get really good in the three to seven yard range
where you know where your shots are gonna hit. You
got ninety five percent accuracy at whatever speed you're gonna shoot.
And then I'd work out to twenty five yards or
more because it didn't keep it in a really good
spot at twenty five. Then then you know how to
shoot your sites. And we always say grip is the
master in sites at the pace and trigger is the servant.

(20:34):
So you know, and really you start to get to
a bell curve kind of thing. You know, three to
seven yards, you're gonna be pretty good. You know, I
want to be good out to that ten fifteen yard
range because those are more common than you might think.
You know, you take across the distance of the stop
and rob that you're at. You know, if you're standing
in the back at the you know, at the slushy

(20:54):
machine at the local gas station convenience store and a
bad guy runs in the door with a gun. You
might I'd be fifteen yards away from him and need
to shooting.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, So John, great information and some our questions.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Can you can you hang over through this commercial break?

Speaker 3 (21:11):
You're absolutely that'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Right, We've been listening to John Korea Active self Protection.
Uh find him on YouTube and I'm sure probably on.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
The website as well too, on the website Active self
protection dot Com.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
All right, we're going to be right back, so stay tuned.
We've got more from John Korea.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
We are rejoined again with John Korea Active self Protection
dot Com and just just a huge amount of.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Information.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Really enjoyed your words at the last gun rights policy conference.
That was fantastic. So uh John, uh oh no, Bill,
you have so okay.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
So a lot of this and I look at the
Active self Protection YouTube channel as how we can learn
from others' mistakes and sometimes there's not mistakes involved with it.
Sometimes the bad guy always gets their justification on it.
And here's a question that's been asked me quite a

(22:09):
bit of times. Right hand versus left hand, or should
I say dominance hand versus non dominance hand. When it
comes to training, how often and how critical is that
for a self defender?

Speaker 5 (22:24):
You know, I think that for most people they don't
get enough training as it is, So I would really
stick to We really want folks to drop what's in
their support hand, to put two hands on the gun.
That's number one. Focus on that once you're really good
at that. A little bit of work strong hand, you know,
gun hand, dominant hand, if you will, is important because

(22:47):
we want you to drop unless it's a baby, don't
drop the baby right so, you know, then you might
have to shoot strong hand only. I've never seen a
private citizen have to transition to support hand only. I've
never seen a private citizen raw gun, you know, do
a goofy thing, support hand or whatever. I've only ever
seen an on duty law enforcement officer have to switch
hands to support hand. I've only ever seen it one time,

(23:09):
and that was actually in Colombia. I've seen plenty of
people shot in their dominant arm. I've seen people shot
in their dominant hand and continued to use that hand
throughout their gun. Wow, we've seen that a couple dozen times.
I've never seen we had a Houston sergeant get shot
in both legs and both arms and still used his

(23:33):
dominant hand with both hands on the gun. He was
quite a warrior to win his gun fight. So you know,
I felt, Folks, when you are so bored of firearms
training and dry practice, then start working on support hand
because it reminds you of your fundamentals and working on
your stupid hand brings you back to the basics. But

(23:54):
for the vast majority of people who don't dry practice
very much, who don't hardly ever train stick with two
hands on the gun and a little bit of strong
hand only.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
All right, now, you've been in court so many times.
My question is, and this is to quote the title
of a great book, your gun is hot. The purpose
not what do you say to the police when they
show up?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
What do you do?

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (24:18):
The correct the correct answer. I have never seen someone
talk their way out of charges, but I have seen
plenty of people talk their way into charges. I strongly
encourage people to do exactly what police officers do when
they are involved in a use of force. When other
cops show up, they will ask their fellow officer, are
you okay? Yeah, I'm fine? They will you know, suck

(24:41):
him down or her down to make sure they're not injured,
because sometimes you won't know. And then there whoever is
on seeing commander will look at that officer who is
involved and say, shut your badge, cam off, shut your mouth,
and go sit in your car, don't talk to anybody,
don't call your wife, don't go sit until your representation
gets here, your union rep or your attorney gets here,

(25:02):
you can talk to them. I don't want you being recorded,
none of that stuff. So that's what they recommend to
each other, and I recommend that too. So the correct
answer to responding officers is let them do their job.
You're not going to talk your way out of things.
And so I know mass out of you, and I

(25:23):
really respect Moss, and you know I have trained with
him many times. I've I call it, talked to him
on the phone from time to time. He has his
five point checklist, and that's his attempt to get people
to say less I would recommend. They say even less
than Moss would recommend, and that is I will not
give a statement. I demand to speak to my attorney,

(25:45):
simple as that. Then they'll go do their job. And
any cop worth his orhearsalt will go that's really smart
and then go do their job.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
All right, very good point. This is a good point.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
All right.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
We've been listening to John Korea, expert in all things firearms,
and you got to check out got to check out
the YouTube. What am I missing on Active self Protection
dot com? Is there a different name for the YouTube
or Instagram?

Speaker 5 (26:07):
What? No? You can find us on YouTube Active self
Protection just search that. There's actually two channels. The second
one is very creatively called Active self Protection Extra. You
can find us there. If you want to follow us
on Instagram, it's at Active self Protection. We have a
Facebook page it's healthily called Active self Protection as well,
and you can find us on all those locations.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
John Korea, thank you so much for being on Gun
Radio Utah. Until next time. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well, the watch for you down at shot show here
in January, so I always appreciate it, and hopefully this
gives our listeners some insight on some things that they
you know, some things that they should be thinking about.
But I'll tell you the videos on Active self Protection
are awesome. Hey, John, let me be the first to
say Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas and we'll catch up

(26:54):
with you later. Thanks John.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
All Right, Bill, we had talked about Judiciary Chairman durbin
sudden change of heart, So this is there's not really
a great way to go into this segue.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
We just got a quick one.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
But Chairman Dick Durbin of the Senate Judiciary Committee for
the time being till the end of January, had talked
about he held a hearing, and this hearing was what
a week ten days ago or so.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
This is when all the.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Republicans were absent because they were picking the new leadership
and that type of stuff. But anyways, he's out of Illinois.
He's a Democrat from out of Illinois. But I found
it very interesting and I'm trying to find the quote
he said himself. So they start talking about how bump
stocks are terrible and how glock switches are increasing the

(27:48):
death count.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Probably in Illinois definitely, but.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
He actually said, quote, these illegal firearm conversion devices like
glock switches are already ill legal. Prosecutors need to get
tough and hold criminals accountable for committing these horrible crimes.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Fuck. Welcome to the club, Dick Durbin.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm hoping that as chairman that that he that this
kind of sentiment, this kind of understanding, this kind of
perhaps maybe an epiphany that he has had will start
to spread and maybe they can start working.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
What's that that's silly talk? Yeah yeah, wish hopeful wishing,
hopeful hopeful wishing.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah yeah, probably so maybe maybe.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
When we come back, I'm going to have a couple
uh mean tweats from Donald Trump and a rapid fire
session on all these things that that we haven't had
time for. And uh I want to talk gunsmith at
Sportsman's Warehouse as well when we come back on Gun
Radio Utah, stay tuned. Bill uh check. Billionaire Michael Stronad.

(28:58):
He doesn't have enough vowels in his name, so it's
hard to pronounce the last name. But anyway, he Vissed Outdoor, Inc.
The owners and shot stockholders and that have agreed to
actually sell the Kinetic Group, which was part of Hissed Outdoors.
That's part that's Remington and Federal. That's ammunition, and I
think it's just the ammunition. I don't think it's the

(29:21):
actual Remington firearmport, but anything Remington two point two billion
dollars sale. This guy is is cornering the market on
guns and ammunition, and I think he's doing military type
stuff too. But anyway, they want an approval to sell it.
And apparently it's been okayed by the FEC or SEC

(29:42):
or whatever that is. Wow, and it went into effect
last week. So I don't know what is what is
left of these these old school gun and ammunition manufacturers
from the United States.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
What's left doesn't cci fall under that and they do
in federal I mean, I'm just thinking that.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, that's all, that's all part of them. So I'm
assuming they'll keep it. And you know, like this one
was Anoka, Minnesota, and I'm assuming they'll keep the plant
there and just be owned by another company. But who knows.
They could always up and move. What do you got
you have some yeah, something I got this.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
This guy a couple of weeks. Well it's been a while,
but an Indiana man who accidentally shot himself in the groin.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well, it wasn't built. I read the story. It's he
wasn't actually the groin. It was a little bit more
specific South.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, I know, but it's a family radio show and
I'm trying to keep it family friendly, Okay, I mean, yeah,
there's other words medical.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
It was literally the part that denotes him as a male. Yeah, okay,
is that is that okay to say? No, I think
he still is.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
He's just you know, yeah, I think you'd want to
go undo anesthesia if you go for that procedure. But anyway,
the uh.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
So, how did this happen? What kind of gun was it?
I have so many questions.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yes, a nine millimeter high point, oh, high point high point.
That probably was not the high point of his day,
but he did hit the high point. Yeah, since you're
going there. But the prosecutors, okay, so you asked.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I said, are they going to charge him with something?
Are they gonna, you know, put him in jail?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, he should be because he is a criminal.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
He was a criminal before, so he was he's prohibited at.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
The prohibited person with a firearm and he got it
from probably a prohibited person. We won't wrap them at state?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Was this in?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
What status was in Indiana?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Indiana? So my my point is do they need to
charge him with anything? Has he enough?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well he's been sacked once and he sacked himself again,
so I think I would probably just let it go
at that.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
All right, Hey, you talking about people that shouldn't have guns?
A what do we got on this? Okay, good, We've
got some time.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
A federal judge has denied a request to dismiss gun
charges against Carlos Serrano Resprato.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
West West Trepo. Okay, good, Carlos, We're gonna call him Carlos.
All right.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
He's been in the United States illegally for fifteen years,
for actually more than fifteen years, and he has amassed
quite a firearm. Collection agents conducted a search of his
home and seized roughly one hundred and seventy firearms, tens
of thousands of rounds of ammunition, and they had to
put in some smoke marine markers, smoked, you know, flair, probably,

(32:41):
he says. Carlos says that some of the guns were
purchased for self defense. Okay, so anyway, they his attorney
said he should have a right to keep and bear
arms under the Second Amendment, and because you don't have
to be a citizen of the United States to legally

(33:04):
possess firearm and use firearm for hunting, and you don't
have to be a citizen in Utah, Arizona, I think
you have to be a citizen to get a concealed
carry permit.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
But Utah and many other states.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
You don't have to be a citizen, but you have
to be here one legally, and two you have to
jump through a little hoop that basically you have to go.
You can even go online and buy a hunting permit
and have an address. But if you buy a hunting permit,
you can legally go and buy a gun hunting license.
So anyway, that's that's under federal law. So does the

(33:34):
Second Amendment. But if you're here illegally, you cannot possess
a firearm. So is the Second Amendment basically the possession
of firearms just for people that haven't committed crimes?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Or what are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (33:50):
An illegal immigrant, in my mind, has committed a key
not Everyone's not a city.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
It's a criminal.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
It's not a state.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
He's walking and talking for fifteen years in the United States.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Ill, so I would say illegal. Yeah, he should not
be able to possess a firearm.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay, And the judge did deny the request.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I guess, I mean, I guess the guy's got an attorney,
and attorneys do what attorneys do.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, we always talk about law abiding gun right, Okay,
there you go. So if we say okay, law abiding
on gun owners. Asterisks includes illegal immigrants. Abs. I think
there's our radio show would be over with.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, yeah, all right, what do we got, We've got,
We've got Oh yeah, we don't have a lot of time, okay,
so oh, I will read you from the book that
Casey Jane got me, The Art of the tweet. This
one is from January ninth, twenty thirteen. It's amazing that
people can say such things, such bad things about me,

(34:51):
but if I say bad things about them, it becomes
a national incident, a major Earlier in the year, he says,
you can people. Actually, he says, you can't con people,
at least not for long. If you don't deliver the goods,
people will eventually catch on. That's from the Art of
the Deal.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I god, this book would have been awesome at Thanksgiving
at the digital table.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Let's see Harry he in twenty sixteen, when he won
in July, he says, not one American flag on the
massive stage at the Democratic National Convention until people started complaining.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Then a small one. How pathetic. So I think I'm
going to read one of these each day next week
we'll get the uh leaving your gun in your vehicle
and youth firearm offences. We'll have to I'll save those
for next week.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Okay, awesome. You know, go buy a truck, Go buy
a truck, Go buy a gun.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
I did.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
They're great, Yeah, exactly. We'll have a great weekend everyone,
Thanks for joining us. Hey, don't forget the podcast. This
on iHeart Media.