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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Because oh look, it's shooting. I haven't heard that much
gunfire since the No Kings Parade anyway then, and that
was a Saturday too. And anyway, we are live at
the Davis Shooting Range in beautiful eastern Caysville. Up on
the bench. I can see the Bonneville shoreline from here,
and it's the grand opening today, free to the public
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unless they're basically kind of closed down right now, but
free to the public this weekend and next weekend. But
we're going to talk about that in just a sec.
We are live here at the grand opening, and I
was there for the ribbon cutting. They had those enormous
pair of scissors. Randall Doyle is here board member Utah
Shooting Sports Council as well, signing people up in that
so fantastic. Thanks for being here early and helping set
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up all the pop up trailers or tents and all
that kind of stuff. And sitting right next to Bill
is Paul Hubenthal. He's a Hessian and I just had
to say because we were talking about it in the
green room earlier. So anyway, uh, Paul, you are the
the I should call you Master huban Thal because you
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have the range master here at the Davis Shooting Range.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That is correct, that's right, right, So work with a
team of volunteers were put on this event get the
range ready and uh just did a fantastic job, a great,
great talent re turn up from the public as well
as those who made this possible.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So it was a great day today. You had a
lot of range officers here. I mean I saw a
lot of people in red and the sheriff were up here,
and the uh you had a lot of you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Had a lot of boats on that. You had a
lot of people in general up here. Yeah, there was
a lot of things out. Yeah, yeah, great turn out shooting.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So we were we were, in fact we're still set
up adjacent to the some of the bay.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And tell us some of the people that you had
or the groups that you had up here today.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Sure, sure we did. Aside from some vendors that we
had in yeah area, we also had to collective and
frequent the range, such as Cowboy Action you saw them
in their attire. We also had a group they're called
Wasatch Defensive Shooters Association. They are a combination of I
d p A as well as us P s A,
so they're the action shooters. Uh, you're shooting from cover,
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reloads and things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I saw them. They actually had a little course
set up over here across from us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yes, it did so great introductions to the public. Well
armed women were up here and they were also introducing
some of their participants again, just showing the community what's
possible on this great.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Who are the people with the steel plates, all the
different dueling trees and the pop ups and all that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Absolutely, so it was the wasatch pins and Plates club.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, and then they're live shooting the steel plates ratification.
Yeah Bill, Bill cheated. We were we were shooting and
Bill cheated on it.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
How that sports are out?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah you cheated. You had your eyes open the whole time.
I bet.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Oh yeah, part of the match. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So anyway, yeah, so that was, Uh, we'll see what
we got. Tell us a little bit about this range.
This a grand open it today. What can people? Oh
and tell us about next week if it's free or not.
Next week is free as well. So next week for
July the hell you say? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So, I mean we're gonna have room fireworks for the
folks who are gonna come before the fireworks.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Before the fireworks all right, that's the uh And you
know there's no better sound of freedom than the sound
sound of gun fire from a regular person's gun. There
you go.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
In rapid succession and rapid succession?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Are you open?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know those fees will be published soon, but it
is anticipated that will be fifty dollars for the daily rate.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, okay, so all day.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All day, all day, So we don't we don't run
a clock on you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So you've got and then and then beyond the bays
that I'm seeing here, we walk down, uh far to
the north christ not for part to the Norrs.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That worth then you have another public error, probably probably.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Trying not to do that so much, Bill, So we're.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Obviously come out here and so Bill or is it
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a stigmatism? And we have a way to figure that out.
We're going to talk about little bit about the Gun
Rights Policy Conference. We're also going to discuss the Short
Act and the Shush Act, which are are there's I
don't want to say, they're circling the drain, so to speak,
in the Senate right now, getting a little text right here,
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let's see, Oh yeah, there's keep cutting out. Okay, apparently
we're cut Oh and by the way, last week, if
you were listening to fourth segment, it wasn't my fault.
That was that was That was no, it literally was not.
Even though I was broadcasting live from Ghost Iye Ranch
or Ghost I manner, I should say that it was
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beyond it was. It's an iHeart It was an iHeart thing.
I think so anyway, and Denny assured me it wasn't
my fault. All right, So, uh, we're going to be
talking about the Short Act and the Shush Act where
they are right now, what you can do, and what
they actually mean. So we're talking about NFA items except
for machine guns, which I wish they had included that
in there. That would have been a big one to
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include anyway, short brold rifles, short borld shotguns, any other weapons.
I don't know, our destructive devices in that in one
of those two. And suppressors of course. So there's been
a lot of talk about there's been a lot of
hand ringing by the liberals on the suppressor issue and
maybe a little bit on the short broiled rifles. But
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I got to tell you, if if you it sounds
to me when I'm listening to them that they got
all their information from suppressors, from watching John Wick movies,
Is that right, Bill?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, so john Wick they're kind of I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It was like, you know, just I remember when he
was shooting somebody else with a suppressed gun. They were
walking through an airport or something like that, and it
was nothing. But I think I described it as a
mouse farting.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, I did that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I did the water Catch show yesterday.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Heavy breathing women with lots of luggage.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Okay, anyway, so I thought I was all right. So
but it isn't it isn't that quiet. I have I
have seen some intricately suppressed twenty two pisss shooting, you know,
very low powered stuff. But yeah, anyways, Bill, why don't
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we do this? Why don't we take a break right
now and see if we're still cutting out when we
come back on gun Radio Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And uh, if you haven't had a chance, well it's
kind of the events kind of over. But we're up here, uh,
broadcasting live up here at the Davis Shooting Range up here,
and what a nice facility we talked with Aaron gave
us a lot of insight on the background putting building
this thing up and getting it all fancied up, and
that we've had nothing but a great time shooting gun shooting,
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steel shooting.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
All kinds of fun toys.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Which I didn't shoot any shotguns. You didn't shoot.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, I did not shoot, and I didn't shoot any
cowboy action.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I should have gone over and shot some cowboy actions.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You should have.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
That would have been fun. So but yeah, so Hey,
if you want to learn more about what we do
besides on the weekends, jump over to Utah Shooting Sports
Council dot org. Get signed up on our email alert.
We're talking about a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
We've got a.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Big event coming in in October, first part of or
into September.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Actually, you're talking about Gun Rights Policy Conference is coming
to Utah. It's all Lake City, the Marriott. Go to
SAF dot org s a f like Second Amendment Foundation
saf dot org. Sign up. It's free. Everything that is
there is free, even the the receptions that they have
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are free, free food and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's free.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And it's like Thursday night and then Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
You get free books. You get it. It is fantastic.
You get to we'll get we're going to be there
where partners with sa F from this one getting volunteers. Also, please,
either before or after you go to saf dot org
is sign up, go to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org,
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send us an email or if you just know the
email address, send us an email and tell us that
you will volunteer and help out because we need volunteers,
because we're we're kind of on the line they I
talked to Alan Gottlieb and convinced him to come to
Salt Lake to Utah and because I said, hey, we've
got our volunteers handled so don't make don't make Bill
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look bad. I don't like Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, and we've got volunteers signed up already. We greatly
appreciate that, and we'll be reaching out to you as
as we get closer with you.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You don't have to volunteer for the whole thing, No,
you can get you can attend part of it and
just you know, maybe stay for a day or something
like that, or just one of the receptions.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Anyway, you had some stuff last week that you completely
missed out on four segment.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, yeah, I kept talking and did you realize I
wasn't broadcast. It wasn't my fault. Danny will tell you
it wasn't my fault. Oh, don't bump this table or anything. Okay,
So the Short Act and the Shush Act. And I
even hear that. I even hear that, Kirk. That's that's
former Representative Kurt Oda that is making all the bumping
noises here too, by the way, So anyway he's uh,
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he can't see so good because his eyes are so squinty.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
So anyway, so anyway, and I think I'm the only
person to get away with that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So anyway, one of them, all right. So the Short
Act and the Shush Act are essentially acts which take
some of these NFA items National Firearmed Act items which
have been on the books since nineteen thirty four, folks,
and basically require a registration for a short world rifle,
short worlled shotgun in addition to other things. I mean,
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you take a stalk off and then it turns into
any other weapon, and destructive devices and stuff like that. Also,
machine guns are in their suppressors are in there. So
what this act does is it specifically the two acts together.
I guess you could say the Short and the Shush
are dealing with short roled rifles and shotguns and suppressors
taking them out of the NFA so that you don't
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have to pay this two hundred dollars tax, And that
whole NFA was really when you go to look it up,
you have to go to the Internal Revenue Service the
tax code to find it, because it's essentially nothing more
than a registration or a tax to be paid when
you get your when you fill out your application and
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you get fingerprinted, you get photographed. You wait, I waited
a year for a suppressor, for the paperwork for a
suppressor to come back one time, and now they're they're
much much shorter weeks or days. But you literally get
a stamp like a stick and lick stamp to put
on your paperwork, and it says two hundred dollars that's
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what you pay for the stamp. So can you imagine
what that would be like in nineteen thirty four It
would be astronomical astronomical anyway too. I mean literally two
hundred bucks. Your gun didn't cost anywhere near there. Guns
are one hundred, one hundred bucks for those kind of
things anyway. So and now we have registered and all
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that kind of stuff. What was it a few years ago?
We've had two point six million suppressors In a short
three four years, we have an extra million, three point
six million suppressors out there. How often are they used
in crime? Bill? How many times a year would you
say the ATF asked to prosecutor the FEDS have to
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prosecute a suppressor related crime, but for a otherwise lawfully
possessed suppressor or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I'm going to say, less wrong fuck?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Oh, anyway, how much were you said? Five?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, that just kind of message. You know, it's forty four.
So anyways, they're about forty four suppressor related. I think
that's for it, lawfully and unlawfully, because it really isn't
any harder to make a suppressor than it is a
a muffler, Not that I could make a muffler, but
it's there's there's no really magic inside it. Just a
bunch of baffles, all right, So it's not a big deal.
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It takes that out though, take suppressors and these short
billed rifles and shotguns out of the NFA. It treats
them like a regular gun, even though a suppressor is
not a gun. But it treats in the same way.
You walk in you say I want that suppressor, I
want that short Breld rifle or that short bread shotgun.
And if you're buying it from an FFL, well they're
gonna make you fill out your regular forty four to
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seventy three and all that kind of stuff. But there's
no two hundred dollars tax stamp. There's no paper or
fingerprints or photographs or wait. Oh, you also had to
notify your local law enforcement office, law enforcement agency that
you were going to buy this thing too, and they.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Oh, I got a question for you.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Oh yeah, So how many suppressors were made out of
a potato?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Remember the Rockford Files?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Oh yeah, six and James Garner had to take that
shot out of the window and well, potatoto in the fridge.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, I'm going to pretend I know what you're talking about.
But there were sixteen. The answer to that is sixteen, sixteen, sixteen.
So anyway, the other thing about this that a lot
of people don't talk about is how about all those
suppressors that people have purchased and they are on the NFA. Well,
this act specifically says they have to destroy those records
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because what good are they anyway. I mean, you know,
so anyway, so they're going to destroy those. Let me
check on the time here. Oh, we're doing fine, all right,
So where is this? Where is this stuff? Right now? Well,
there's this thing. Okay, it's a reconciliation bill. The reconciliation
bill deals with money. And when you're dealing with money
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or budget or that kind of thing, you don't need
a sixty vote majority in the Senate because there's one
hundred votes total. Technically there's one hundred and one with
JD Vance right anyway, one hundred votes total, and but
in you just need fifty one votes. So when a
reconciliation bill, you can't. It has to be related to
the budget. It has to be money related. And there's
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this rule called the Bird rule. And the Bird rule
says that the changes in law can't be it's got
to be money related. It can't be merely incidental to
the policy changes. Well, apparently the way it was written
the parliamentarian, who, by the way, is the same parliamentarian
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that they've had since Harry Reid appointed her to the
United States. Why is it the Senate always messes up?
And Kurt, you remember when you were in the House.
It was always the Senate that was screwing things up.
It's always the Senate anyway. And so once again the
House passed this fantastically, but then the Senate is messing
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it up. So apparently there's either they can rewrite the
language so it satisfies the so it satisfies the parliamentarian
or JD. Vance, the Vice President, who is also the
President of the Senate, can come in and overrule the parliamentarian,
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who I think is it was supposed to be nonpartisan,
but I think is acting rather partisan because these same
things had been done before and it had always passed
parliamentary rules. Anyway, Bill, your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Well, there's a lot of stuff going on with the
parliamentary individual this last week. It's a good way of
calling him. And I'm more concerned. I mean, I mean,
I'm really concerned about public lands being sold because, to
be honest with you, it doesn't matter if I got
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a suppressor or not. If they're going to be selling
out public lands, that's where I hunt, that's where I finish,
is where I'm backpack. And I know they're saying, well,
that's a small percentage. The problem is government spend not
and fixing, you know, and fixing it through a sell.
It's just gonna happen. So I know there's a lot
of people very upset with what our Senator Mike Lee
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is doing. If you don't like it, I'd make phone
calls to his office tell him what you think. But hunters, fishermen,
sporting goods, conservation groups. So anyway, I really want the
suppressor thing. I really want the suppressor thing. What about
short broad rifles. I want short bell rifles, short red
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shotguns too, and shotguns. Hey, don't, don't discriminate, but I
want to be able to shoot those on public lands.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Put it that way. I want to be able to
shoot that on public lands.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And people think, oh, but it's their priace, own land somewhere,
it doesn't matter. Well, no, you look at Eagle Mountain
and stuff, all borders up right next to public lands.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Have you called Mike leean talked to him about this bill?
Yes you have not?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Yes, I have? You have?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
What What did he say specifically to you? Billet will
let him know. Thank you for your call. Oh you
didn't talk to Bill. You didn't talk to Mike did you?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Do you even have his number? Yes, okay, yes I
got his number. It's not on my speed dial, that's
for sure. But anyway, we got a lot more.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, you know what I want to do, Yeah, I want.
I want to talk about your broken gun. And and
I was given.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
A mic broken gun. Well I mind shot Well today,
how did your shoot a slower Yeah? I love slower
it exactly. The hammer wasn't falling as fast. It's because
you didn't have a longer firing pin. But where do
you go to get a longer firing pin?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, you got to pull them out, and you got
to you gotta pull on those things a bit. So
anyway you can you can.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Yeah, anyway, Uh, if your gun is not all it
should be, get it over to the gunsmith of sportsman's
warehouse because the gunsmith a sportsman's warehouse can fix it,
can resarracod, it can.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Lengthen your firing pin. I have not specifically asked them
about this, but I know they can anyway. They can
put a longer one in anyway, you know, but they
can zaracota, they can get what can they not.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Do help you shoot better?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I bet him, Kurt, I you know what he tried.
He was cheated he was.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Impress I have yeah, I have both eyes open. I'll
give you that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, you were using you had you both your
eyes open on that too. So anyways, get it over.
Get your gun over to the gunsmanth of Sportsman's Warehouse
or at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt
Lake City, or give him a called ATO one three
oh four eighty seventy aight O one three zero for
eighty seventy, or you can take it into any of
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the over one hundred and forty six Sportsman's Warehouse locations.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
And Bill, guess what we have for our listeners next segment.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh Bratthorp Bredatis coming on for Ratt Thor. All right,
stay tuned, we'll be right back and welcome back to
gun Radio, Utah. There are never any apologies here. We
are joined, you know, just fantastically by New York Times
best selling author Brad Thor. Brad, Welcome back to gun Radio, Utah.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
It feels like coming home.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm glad to be back with you. It does because
you know, you spend a considerablemount of time here in Utah,
and so we bring you back on the occasion in
three days, your twenty fifth. Book twenty twenty fourth, with
Scott Harbath as the protagonist, comes out in three days July.
(19:56):
First it is tell us about the book. It's of Honor,
and it's got this fantastic patriotic cover on it. Tell
us a little bit about the book, because then I've
got a lot of other questions for you.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
Well, A thank you for having me back again, and
b of course you and I go way way back
to when I used to live in law, Utah, and
both my children were born in Salt Lake City at
LDS Hospital, So it's very cool to be back with you.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Edge of Honor.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
So Mike, I tell people my books are like the
James Bond movies. If you've never read a I've never
seen a James Bond movie before, and the new one
is in your local theater, you can go see it
and you will not feel like you're missing anything. You
get caught up real quick. Same thing with my books.
So in my book, I've got my America's top spy,
Scott Harvath, and he's recently married. He's home in the
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United States, back from his honeymoon. He married a Norwegian
woman who's a Norwegian spy and she wants to experience
Fourth of July for the very first time in America.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, basically, well, I got I gotta stop you there,
I got it. This has been bugging me, this question.
How do you get married and go on a six
month honeymoon and live through that?
Speaker 7 (21:14):
What you mean the marriage days together after a six month.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Time the marriage? Let alone?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You know, because I mean, Scott's one of these guys
that you can't hide.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean everyone's after him. So how does he go
on a six month honeymoon? This is awesome, This is.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
A great question.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
So this is one of the things that made Edge
of Honor so difficult to write, because I created something
for Harveth that I called a supermodel problem. So back
in the nineteen nineties, there was a supermodel named Linda
Evangelista who claimed she wouldn't get out of bed for
less than one hundred thousand dollars. Now, a couple of
books ago, there was one hundred million dollar bounty on
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Harvath on his head. It was the biggest bounty in
the history of bounties. Harvath in a great twist at
the end that people didn't know about untill they read
a future book managed to get his hands on a
sizable chunk of that bounty and survive the killers that
were sent after him. So Harvad is sitting on a
mountain of cash. He's got a beautiful, much younger, blonde
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Norwegian wife. He's living large. So he got through six
months of a honeymoon by basically having a terrific partner
traveling the world for six months and having the cash
the money to do it first class, so he's able
to stay one step ahead of the bad guys and
just have a fantastic honeymoon. When I was back, he
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wants to show off the United States to his new wife,
and he's out of the game. So, like I said,
I had the supermodel problem. What gets Harvath out of bed?
When he's got all the money in the world, he
doesn't need to do anything for the United States anymore.
And I had a friend in the government in the
first Trump administration who.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Did not get a security detail. Continued. It was one
of the people we read about that I.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Was writing the book when all this broke about all
these people that didn't get security details, and there was
concern that foreign governments, the Iranians, whatever, were coming after.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Them, and I thought, wow, this would be really interesting.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
What if Harvath had a friend, And I pulled back
a character who had helped Harveth when he had been
kidnapped previously by the Russians in another book. The guy
been the hostages are and I said, okay, this would
be a reason Harveth would decide to kind of get
in front of bullets again for somebody. This is someone
who helped save his life who now is in danger,
and so Harveth comes out to help this guy, Soulviy.
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His new wife gets pulled into service by the Norwegian
ambassador as well. She owes the ambassador a debt, and
the Norwegians are coming for a NATO summit in DC,
and both of them, in their own time, figure out
there's this shadowy cabal that's looking to collapse the United States,
kind of like an angry faction from the French Revolution,
people that are tired of waiting for the voting process
to get the United States where they feel it should be.
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So Harveth and his new wife both separately stumble upon
this cabal, and then the fight is on. In the
days in the book, the days are leading up to
the fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So it's kind of neat.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
When you read.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
The book, it's almost like you're reading it in real
time because as the plot unfolds to the fourth of July,
here we are. The book comes out in just three
days on July first, you're right there in the center
of the action in d C.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
So that's kind of how the book kicks off.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And and when you say kicks off, wow, from the
first page, two, three, four pages, but bam, you're in it.
You are, you are moving, you are and that you know,
that's that's typical with your books though, and then throughout
this one is interesting and I don't obviously I'm not
going to give away the plot, but it's not as
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much traveling. Let me say, I'll say it like that, because.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I mean not as you national, it's domestic, it's DC.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
I wanted to create a kick butt, red, white, and
blue patriotic thriller.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
And what better place to.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Set it than in Washington because that's where all the
scuzzy politicians are and the people that are jockeying for
power in DC.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
If you've ever been there in the.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Lead up, in Virginia and all over just in the
lead up to fourth of July is just You've got
the bunting and the banners and the flags everywhere, and
it's like a scene out of a movie. And so
I thought it would be fun, and I could also
plan on some of the old school trade craft, which
has become even more important for spies and people in
the counterintelligence world as the technology has taken off. You
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really have to go old school with brush bypasses and
dead drops and all that stuff. So it was fun
to meld all that together and put it in our
nation's capital, just on the just on the the eve
of our nation's independent celebration.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
If I am so glad you said this, because so
I'm a John lacarre A fan. If I'm saying that
right anyway too, John Array, Yep, this this is like
spy stuff. I got hints of that, you know, as
you smelled this, but you got hints of that kind
of classic spy stuff in this one. A fan of.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Lacaras too, So that's that's you paid me an incredible
compliment by by aligning my name with him. I'm a
huge Licarret fan, and he's one of the reasons I
became a thriller and spy novelist myself.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
All right, So now hey, you're with how long have
you been with Simon and Schuster.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
From the very beginning from the very first book that
debuted in January of two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That was a huge leap for them. I mean because
you hadn't done this before. I mean, how did that
happen with? I mean Simon and Schuster is big. I
mean they're big.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, No, they're big.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Well A, I wrote a great book. I mean, that's
the proof is in the pudding. And I think it
also helped that I had my own television series which
I had been producing, called Traveling Light, that was nationwide
on public television. So I came in with an audience
which was very attractive to Simon and Schuster.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
I wasn't an unknown.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
I was an unknown as far as being an author,
but I wasn't an unknown personality kind of in the
entertainment world.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Okay, we talked about it in the green room. I
want to know.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Okay, question first, Yes, your wife, Clark is one of
the most incredible photographers on the planet.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
That she took of you that you posted reading Edge
of Honor. She's like Ansel Adams times one hundred.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
That is how'd you get an American flag in the
background in this incredible landscape? That photo is one of
the best I've ever seen. You take great photos with
my books every year. I really appreciate you for that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thank you well. And you know it's it's on Facebook,
it's on your thing. And that's actually some property that
we have up Dry Fork Canyon in Utah. And that
is the view. That is the view from our overlook
on the property. And yes, that flag was not AI.
That flag is up there. That flag's not on our property,
but that's across the valley. But yeah, and and because
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I fancy myself kind of a Scott Harveth kind of
a person, and my wife is nor Is Swedish, so
you know, I mean, hey, it goes you know, so
Casey j And yes, you got some. So I want
to know, well, give me one of you. I want
to know the brad thor what. Give me a show
(28:06):
that's in your Netflix watch list right now that you
haven't finished watching.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
So I have been watching. So I've been watching two
shows simultaneously. One in the original French. My mom had
been a flight attendant for twa New York Paris, Paris,
New York, and she had to learn French for it,
and we went to a school run by French nuns
growing up, so I speak French.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
I have since I was a kid.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
So I'm watching the original French which is called The Bureau,
and then there's The Agency, which is this I believe
it's a showtime series that's all about the CIA, and
there's a guy that gets pulled out of of the
Middle East and he's got an.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Affair going with an operative.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
I think the French version is better. I like it
more than the American version. Great actors, I mean, Richard
Gears great, John Ham's great, Michael Fassbender's great, But I'm
watching them simultaneously because they are almost word for word
the same.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
The episode The Bureau and the Agency.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
All right, when are we going to see? When am
I going to be able to binge watch Scott Harvath
on my TV? You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 7 (29:10):
My Greenworm? Yeah, so this is so I'm not allowed to.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
So our deal is closed and we are now developing
the series. We are waiting for the big announcement to
be made, but we are going to have a Scott
Harvath television series. We're working on the scripts now and
execu One of our executive producers is Howard Gordon, who
did twenty.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Four and did Homeland.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Our director is Chad Stahulski, who did the John Wick movies,
who's fantastic. Our writer is Steve Lightfoot, who did the
Punisher series and a bunch of other things. He's a
massive writing talent. Shan and Novett Reddick who found the
book Black Clansman and did that, did the movie Get Out,
did Day Shift with Jamie Fox. Just we have an
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a list team working on this and I'm really really
lucky to be with such huge players. So hopefully will
be shooting because it can be based in the beginning.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
On lines of Lucerne.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
So I'm hoping that we right after the Christmas holidays
will will be off shooting.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
And then, like I said to you in the green room, because.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
The whole thing, the whole opening part of that book
takes place in Deer Valley, I expect we'll be in
Deer Valley shooting stuff, and I want you to come
to the set and maybe we'll do a little podcast
thing or a little remote thing, a little interview right
there on the set.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I'm there, I'm there, all right, Yeah, I'm there. So
the ideas and the scenarios in your books without exception, Well,
I'll say this, if you've read Brad's books and gone
through what Scott Harbath, the protagonist goes through, You'll be
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sitting there listening to the news a year, two years,
maybe even three years later and say that happened in
the freaking book, this exact thing, I mean, almost down
to the down to the to the players. How do
you do that? Let's be how do you do that?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
You know what?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
I'm a voracious consumer of news, and I would always
I look at things and say, what if? What if
it really isn't this?
Speaker 7 (31:14):
What if it's that? What if what if this happened?
Speaker 8 (31:18):
What if that happened? Blah blah blah blah blah. So
it's just I'm a it's just the way my mind works.
There's no way to explain it other than that it's
it's just how my head got.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
So let's take that one step further as we look
at the news and what's happening today, Brad, how does it?
I mean a lot of things are changing internationally, domestically
that I'm like, going, boy, I can easily see this
coming into a next novel.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah, there's a certain element of obviously with the current administration.
And by the way, the first review I got on
Edge of Honor was this is a book that's great
for everybody, no matter how you vote. Brad really threads
the needle and doesn't take a side. It's not pro
one part anti the other party. It is there's a
new administration in this book, it's a young president. It's
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the youngest president we've had since Kennedy. I was really
trying to create a.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Fictional world here.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
So it is tough now to look at the headlines
because you know, you look at the odd odds makers
and I don't even think they knew that that President
Trump was going to go into Iran and do what
he did and all that kind of stuff, And you know,
and that somebody who's going to leak details afterwards about
how effective those big bunker busters were. So this is
(32:34):
a very difficult environment within which to write because there
are things that are happening that I never could have predicted.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
There's such an.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Unknowing in the world, kind of off balance, not knowing
what the United States is going to do next, which.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Can be good for bad guys.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
It can bring people to heal if if they don't
know what to expect, if they can't figure out how
to play us three steps ahead of our own game.
So all I can say is, right now, it's tough.
It's really hard to write, But like an Edge of Honor,
there's stuff I can see because history doesn't repeat, but
it does rhyme, and so that's I've always been fascinated
(33:09):
with the French Revolution and the Angry Jacobins and those
violent factions there. So the idea of a faction in
Washington saying, ah, the people are idiots. We can't trust
on them to vote, We can't trust them to vote properly.
We need to accelerate their accelerationists. We need to accelerate
and get to the position where we think us powerful
people think the nation needs to be. So we're gonna
We're gonna kill, blow stuff off main people all the
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way through.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
The book is Edge of Honor. Brad Thor that is
his real name. I've already gone through it with him, folks.
That is his actual name. And what an awesomely cool
name that is and Edge of Honor. It is available.
You just go ahead and pre order right now. You
can get it anywhere that you get any other books.
(33:52):
And I have also pre ordered the audio from Audible
because I love your narrator. He's just fantastic, just fantastic.
Never lose him. And Edge of Honor it's available in
three days July first, but just pre order it now
and you will enjoy it with your toes in the
(34:13):
sand and a drink in your hand, just sitting there.
That is the perfect summertime read. Brad, thanks for being
on Gun Radio Utah. I appreciate you, you my friend.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And when we come back, we've got more here, the
Davis Davis Range, the Davis Stay Tune will be right
back
Because oh look, it's shooting. I haven't heard that much
gunfire since the No Kings Parade anyway then, and that
was a Saturday too. And anyway, we are live at
the Davis Shooting Range in beautiful eastern Caysville. Up on
the bench. I can see the Bonneville shoreline from here,
and it's the grand opening today, free to the public
(00:23):
unless they're basically kind of closed down right now, but
free to the public this weekend and next weekend. But
we're going to talk about that in just a sec.
We are live here at the grand opening, and I
was there for the ribbon cutting. They had those enormous
pair of scissors. Randall Doyle is here board member Utah
Shooting Sports Council as well, signing people up in that
so fantastic. Thanks for being here early and helping set
(00:46):
up all the pop up trailers or tents and all
that kind of stuff. And sitting right next to Bill
is Paul Hubenthal. He's a Hessian and I just had
to say because we were talking about it in the
green room earlier. So anyway, uh, Paul, you are the
the I should call you Master huban Thal because you
(01:08):
have the range master here at the Davis Shooting Range.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That is correct, that's right, right, So work with a
team of volunteers were put on this event get the
range ready and uh just did a fantastic job, a great,
great talent re turn up from the public as well
as those who made this possible.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So it was a great day today. You had a
lot of range officers here. I mean I saw a
lot of people in red and the sheriff were up here,
and the uh you had a lot of you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Had a lot of boats on that. You had a
lot of people in general up here. Yeah, there was
a lot of things out. Yeah, yeah, great turn out shooting.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So we were we were, in fact we're still set
up adjacent to the some of the bay.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And tell us some of the people that you had
or the groups that you had up here today.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Sure, sure we did. Aside from some vendors that we
had in yeah area, we also had to collective and
frequent the range, such as Cowboy Action you saw them
in their attire. We also had a group they're called
Wasatch Defensive Shooters Association. They are a combination of I
d p A as well as us P s A,
so they're the action shooters. Uh, you're shooting from cover,
(02:12):
reloads and things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I saw them. They actually had a little course
set up over here across from us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yes, it did so great introductions to the public. Well
armed women were up here and they were also introducing
some of their participants again, just showing the community what's
possible on this great.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Who are the people with the steel plates, all the
different dueling trees and the pop ups and all that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Absolutely, so it was the wasatch pins and Plates club.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, and then they're live shooting the steel plates ratification.
Yeah Bill, Bill cheated. We were we were shooting and
Bill cheated on it.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
How that sports are out?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah you cheated. You had your eyes open the whole time.
I bet.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Oh yeah, part of the match. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So anyway, yeah, so that was, Uh, we'll see what
we got. Tell us a little bit about this range.
This a grand open it today. What can people? Oh
and tell us about next week if it's free or not.
Next week is free as well. So next week for
July the hell you say? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So, I mean we're gonna have room fireworks for the
folks who are gonna come before the fireworks.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Before the fireworks all right, that's the uh And you
know there's no better sound of freedom than the sound
sound of gun fire from a regular person's gun. There
you go.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
In rapid succession and rapid succession?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Are you open?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know those fees will be published soon, but it
is anticipated that will be fifty dollars for the daily rate.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, okay, so all day.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
All day, all day, So we don't we don't run
a clock on you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So you've got and then and then beyond the bays
that I'm seeing here, we walk down, uh far to
the north christ not for part to the Norrs.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That worth then you have another public error, probably probably.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Trying not to do that so much, Bill, So we're.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Obviously come out here and so Bill or is it
(04:47):
a stigmatism? And we have a way to figure that out.
We're going to talk about little bit about the Gun
Rights Policy Conference. We're also going to discuss the Short
Act and the Shush Act, which are are there's I
don't want to say, they're circling the drain, so to speak,
in the Senate right now, getting a little text right here,
(05:09):
let's see, Oh yeah, there's keep cutting out. Okay, apparently
we're cut Oh and by the way, last week, if
you were listening to fourth segment, it wasn't my fault.
That was that was That was no, it literally was not.
Even though I was broadcasting live from Ghost Iye Ranch
or Ghost I manner, I should say that it was
(05:29):
beyond it was. It's an iHeart It was an iHeart thing.
I think so anyway, and Denny assured me it wasn't
my fault. All right, So, uh, we're going to be
talking about the Short Act and the Shush Act where
they are right now, what you can do, and what
they actually mean. So we're talking about NFA items except
for machine guns, which I wish they had included that
in there. That would have been a big one to
(05:51):
include anyway, short brold rifles, short borld shotguns, any other weapons.
I don't know, our destructive devices in that in one
of those two. And suppressors of course. So there's been
a lot of talk about there's been a lot of
hand ringing by the liberals on the suppressor issue and
maybe a little bit on the short broiled rifles. But
(06:13):
I got to tell you, if if you it sounds
to me when I'm listening to them that they got
all their information from suppressors, from watching John Wick movies,
Is that right, Bill?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, so john Wick they're kind of I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It was like, you know, just I remember when he
was shooting somebody else with a suppressed gun. They were
walking through an airport or something like that, and it
was nothing. But I think I described it as a
mouse farting.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, I did that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I did the water Catch show yesterday.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Heavy breathing women with lots of luggage.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Okay, anyway, so I thought I was all right. So
but it isn't it isn't that quiet. I have I
have seen some intricately suppressed twenty two pisss shooting, you know,
very low powered stuff. But yeah, anyways, Bill, why don't
(07:06):
we do this? Why don't we take a break right
now and see if we're still cutting out when we
come back on gun Radio Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And uh, if you haven't had a chance, well it's
kind of the events kind of over. But we're up here, uh,
broadcasting live up here at the Davis Shooting Range up here,
and what a nice facility we talked with Aaron gave
us a lot of insight on the background putting building
this thing up and getting it all fancied up, and
that we've had nothing but a great time shooting gun shooting,
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steel shooting.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
All kinds of fun toys.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Which I didn't shoot any shotguns. You didn't shoot.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, I did not shoot, and I didn't shoot any
cowboy action.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I should have gone over and shot some cowboy actions.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You should have.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
That would have been fun. So but yeah, so Hey,
if you want to learn more about what we do
besides on the weekends, jump over to Utah Shooting Sports
Council dot org. Get signed up on our email alert.
We're talking about a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
We've got a.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Big event coming in in October, first part of or
into September.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Actually, you're talking about Gun Rights Policy Conference is coming
to Utah. It's all Lake City, the Marriott. Go to
SAF dot org s a f like Second Amendment Foundation
saf dot org. Sign up. It's free. Everything that is
there is free, even the the receptions that they have
(08:29):
are free, free food and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's free.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And it's like Thursday night and then Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
You get free books. You get it. It is fantastic.
You get to we'll get we're going to be there
where partners with sa F from this one getting volunteers. Also, please,
either before or after you go to saf dot org
is sign up, go to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org,
(08:52):
send us an email or if you just know the
email address, send us an email and tell us that
you will volunteer and help out because we need volunteers,
because we're we're kind of on the line they I
talked to Alan Gottlieb and convinced him to come to
Salt Lake to Utah and because I said, hey, we've
got our volunteers handled so don't make don't make Bill
(09:15):
look bad. I don't like Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, and we've got volunteers signed up already. We greatly
appreciate that, and we'll be reaching out to you as
as we get closer with you.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You don't have to volunteer for the whole thing, No,
you can get you can attend part of it and
just you know, maybe stay for a day or something
like that, or just one of the receptions.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Anyway, you had some stuff last week that you completely
missed out on four segment.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, yeah, I kept talking and did you realize I
wasn't broadcast. It wasn't my fault. Danny will tell you
it wasn't my fault. Oh, don't bump this table or anything. Okay,
So the Short Act and the Shush Act. And I
even hear that. I even hear that, Kirk. That's that's
former Representative Kurt Oda that is making all the bumping
noises here too, by the way, So anyway he's uh,
(09:59):
he can't see so good because his eyes are so squinty.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
So anyway, so anyway, and I think I'm the only
person to get away with that.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So anyway, one of them, all right. So the Short
Act and the Shush Act are essentially acts which take
some of these NFA items National Firearmed Act items which
have been on the books since nineteen thirty four, folks,
and basically require a registration for a short world rifle,
short worlled shotgun in addition to other things. I mean,
(10:31):
you take a stalk off and then it turns into
any other weapon, and destructive devices and stuff like that. Also,
machine guns are in their suppressors are in there. So
what this act does is it specifically the two acts together.
I guess you could say the Short and the Shush
are dealing with short roled rifles and shotguns and suppressors
taking them out of the NFA so that you don't
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have to pay this two hundred dollars tax, And that
whole NFA was really when you go to look it up,
you have to go to the Internal Revenue Service the
tax code to find it, because it's essentially nothing more
than a registration or a tax to be paid when
you get your when you fill out your application and
(11:14):
you get fingerprinted, you get photographed. You wait, I waited
a year for a suppressor, for the paperwork for a
suppressor to come back one time, and now they're they're
much much shorter weeks or days. But you literally get
a stamp like a stick and lick stamp to put
on your paperwork, and it says two hundred dollars that's
(11:34):
what you pay for the stamp. So can you imagine
what that would be like in nineteen thirty four It
would be astronomical astronomical anyway too. I mean literally two
hundred bucks. Your gun didn't cost anywhere near there. Guns
are one hundred, one hundred bucks for those kind of
things anyway. So and now we have registered and all
(11:55):
that kind of stuff. What was it a few years ago?
We've had two point six million suppressors In a short
three four years, we have an extra million, three point
six million suppressors out there. How often are they used
in crime? Bill? How many times a year would you
say the ATF asked to prosecutor the FEDS have to
(12:17):
prosecute a suppressor related crime, but for a otherwise lawfully
possessed suppressor or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I'm going to say, less wrong fuck?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Oh, anyway, how much were you said? Five?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, that just kind of message. You know, it's forty four.
So anyways, they're about forty four suppressor related. I think
that's for it, lawfully and unlawfully, because it really isn't
any harder to make a suppressor than it is a
a muffler, Not that I could make a muffler, but
it's there's there's no really magic inside it. Just a
bunch of baffles, all right, So it's not a big deal.
(12:50):
It takes that out though, take suppressors and these short
billed rifles and shotguns out of the NFA. It treats
them like a regular gun, even though a suppressor is
not a gun. But it treats in the same way.
You walk in you say I want that suppressor, I
want that short Breld rifle or that short bread shotgun.
And if you're buying it from an FFL, well they're
gonna make you fill out your regular forty four to
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seventy three and all that kind of stuff. But there's
no two hundred dollars tax stamp. There's no paper or
fingerprints or photographs or wait. Oh, you also had to
notify your local law enforcement office, law enforcement agency that
you were going to buy this thing too, and they.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Oh, I got a question for you.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Oh yeah, So how many suppressors were made out of
a potato?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Remember the Rockford Files?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Oh yeah, six and James Garner had to take that
shot out of the window and well, potatoto in the fridge.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, I'm going to pretend I know what you're talking about.
But there were sixteen. The answer to that is sixteen, sixteen, sixteen.
So anyway, the other thing about this that a lot
of people don't talk about is how about all those
suppressors that people have purchased and they are on the NFA. Well,
this act specifically says they have to destroy those records
(14:00):
because what good are they anyway. I mean, you know,
so anyway, so they're going to destroy those. Let me
check on the time here. Oh, we're doing fine, all right,
So where is this? Where is this stuff? Right now? Well,
there's this thing. Okay, it's a reconciliation bill. The reconciliation
bill deals with money. And when you're dealing with money
(14:20):
or budget or that kind of thing, you don't need
a sixty vote majority in the Senate because there's one
hundred votes total. Technically there's one hundred and one with
JD Vance right anyway, one hundred votes total, and but
in you just need fifty one votes. So when a
reconciliation bill, you can't. It has to be related to
the budget. It has to be money related. And there's
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this rule called the Bird rule. And the Bird rule
says that the changes in law can't be it's got
to be money related. It can't be merely incidental to
the policy changes. Well, apparently the way it was written
the parliamentarian, who, by the way, is the same parliamentarian
(15:03):
that they've had since Harry Reid appointed her to the
United States. Why is it the Senate always messes up?
And Kurt, you remember when you were in the House.
It was always the Senate that was screwing things up.
It's always the Senate anyway. And so once again the
House passed this fantastically, but then the Senate is messing
(15:23):
it up. So apparently there's either they can rewrite the
language so it satisfies the so it satisfies the parliamentarian
or JD. Vance, the Vice President, who is also the
President of the Senate, can come in and overrule the parliamentarian,
(15:45):
who I think is it was supposed to be nonpartisan,
but I think is acting rather partisan because these same
things had been done before and it had always passed
parliamentary rules. Anyway, Bill, your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Well, there's a lot of stuff going on with the
parliamentary individual this last week. It's a good way of
calling him. And I'm more concerned. I mean, I mean,
I'm really concerned about public lands being sold because, to
be honest with you, it doesn't matter if I got
(16:21):
a suppressor or not. If they're going to be selling
out public lands, that's where I hunt, that's where I finish,
is where I'm backpack. And I know they're saying, well,
that's a small percentage. The problem is government spend not
and fixing, you know, and fixing it through a sell.
It's just gonna happen. So I know there's a lot
of people very upset with what our Senator Mike Lee
(16:43):
is doing. If you don't like it, I'd make phone
calls to his office tell him what you think. But hunters, fishermen,
sporting goods, conservation groups. So anyway, I really want the
suppressor thing. I really want the suppressor thing. What about
short broad rifles. I want short bell rifles, short red
(17:04):
shotguns too, and shotguns. Hey, don't, don't discriminate, but I
want to be able to shoot those on public lands.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Put it that way. I want to be able to
shoot that on public lands.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And people think, oh, but it's their priace, own land somewhere,
it doesn't matter. Well, no, you look at Eagle Mountain
and stuff, all borders up right next to public lands.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Have you called Mike leean talked to him about this bill?
Yes you have not?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Yes, I have? You have?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
What What did he say specifically to you? Billet will
let him know. Thank you for your call. Oh you
didn't talk to Bill. You didn't talk to Mike did you?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Do you even have his number? Yes, okay, yes I
got his number. It's not on my speed dial, that's
for sure. But anyway, we got a lot more.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, you know what I want to do, Yeah, I want.
I want to talk about your broken gun. And and
I was given.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
A mic broken gun. Well I mind shot Well today,
how did your shoot a slower Yeah? I love slower
it exactly. The hammer wasn't falling as fast. It's because
you didn't have a longer firing pin. But where do
you go to get a longer firing pin?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, you got to pull them out, and you got
to you gotta pull on those things a bit. So
anyway you can you can.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Yeah, anyway, Uh, if your gun is not all it
should be, get it over to the gunsmith of sportsman's
warehouse because the gunsmith a sportsman's warehouse can fix it,
can resarracod, it can.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Lengthen your firing pin. I have not specifically asked them
about this, but I know they can anyway. They can
put a longer one in anyway, you know, but they
can zaracota, they can get what can they not.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Do help you shoot better?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I bet him, Kurt, I you know what he tried.
He was cheated he was.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Impress I have yeah, I have both eyes open. I'll
give you that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, you were using you had you both your
eyes open on that too. So anyways, get it over.
Get your gun over to the gunsmanth of Sportsman's Warehouse
or at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt
Lake City, or give him a called ATO one three
oh four eighty seventy aight O one three zero for
eighty seventy, or you can take it into any of
(19:05):
the over one hundred and forty six Sportsman's Warehouse locations.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
And Bill, guess what we have for our listeners next segment.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh Bratthorp Bredatis coming on for Ratt Thor. All right,
stay tuned, we'll be right back and welcome back to
gun Radio, Utah. There are never any apologies here. We
are joined, you know, just fantastically by New York Times
best selling author Brad Thor. Brad, Welcome back to gun Radio, Utah.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
It feels like coming home.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm glad to be back with you. It does because
you know, you spend a considerablemount of time here in Utah,
and so we bring you back on the occasion in
three days, your twenty fifth. Book twenty twenty fourth, with
Scott Harbath as the protagonist, comes out in three days July.
(19:56):
First it is tell us about the book. It's of Honor,
and it's got this fantastic patriotic cover on it. Tell
us a little bit about the book, because then I've
got a lot of other questions for you.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
Well, A thank you for having me back again, and
b of course you and I go way way back
to when I used to live in law, Utah, and
both my children were born in Salt Lake City at
LDS Hospital, So it's very cool to be back with you.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Edge of Honor.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
So Mike, I tell people my books are like the
James Bond movies. If you've never read a I've never
seen a James Bond movie before, and the new one
is in your local theater, you can go see it
and you will not feel like you're missing anything. You
get caught up real quick. Same thing with my books.
So in my book, I've got my America's top spy,
Scott Harvath, and he's recently married. He's home in the
(20:48):
United States, back from his honeymoon. He married a Norwegian
woman who's a Norwegian spy and she wants to experience
Fourth of July for the very first time in America.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Okay, basically, well, I got I gotta stop you there,
I got it. This has been bugging me, this question.
How do you get married and go on a six
month honeymoon and live through that?
Speaker 7 (21:14):
What you mean the marriage days together after a six month.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Time the marriage? Let alone?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You know, because I mean, Scott's one of these guys
that you can't hide.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean everyone's after him. So how does he go
on a six month honeymoon? This is awesome, This is.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
A great question.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
So this is one of the things that made Edge
of Honor so difficult to write, because I created something
for Harveth that I called a supermodel problem. So back
in the nineteen nineties, there was a supermodel named Linda
Evangelista who claimed she wouldn't get out of bed for
less than one hundred thousand dollars. Now, a couple of
books ago, there was one hundred million dollar bounty on
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Harvath on his head. It was the biggest bounty in
the history of bounties. Harvath in a great twist at
the end that people didn't know about untill they read
a future book managed to get his hands on a
sizable chunk of that bounty and survive the killers that
were sent after him. So Harvad is sitting on a
mountain of cash. He's got a beautiful, much younger, blonde
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Norwegian wife. He's living large. So he got through six
months of a honeymoon by basically having a terrific partner
traveling the world for six months and having the cash
the money to do it first class, so he's able
to stay one step ahead of the bad guys and
just have a fantastic honeymoon. When I was back, he
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wants to show off the United States to his new wife,
and he's out of the game. So, like I said,
I had the supermodel problem. What gets Harvath out of bed?
When he's got all the money in the world, he
doesn't need to do anything for the United States anymore.
And I had a friend in the government in the
first Trump administration who.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Did not get a security detail. Continued. It was one
of the people we read about that I.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Was writing the book when all this broke about all
these people that didn't get security details, and there was
concern that foreign governments, the Iranians, whatever, were coming after.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Them, and I thought, wow, this would be really interesting.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
What if Harvath had a friend, And I pulled back
a character who had helped Harveth when he had been
kidnapped previously by the Russians in another book. The guy
been the hostages are and I said, okay, this would
be a reason Harveth would decide to kind of get
in front of bullets again for somebody. This is someone
who helped save his life who now is in danger,
and so Harveth comes out to help this guy, Soulviy.
(23:28):
His new wife gets pulled into service by the Norwegian
ambassador as well. She owes the ambassador a debt, and
the Norwegians are coming for a NATO summit in DC,
and both of them, in their own time, figure out
there's this shadowy cabal that's looking to collapse the United States,
kind of like an angry faction from the French Revolution,
people that are tired of waiting for the voting process
to get the United States where they feel it should be.
(23:50):
So Harveth and his new wife both separately stumble upon
this cabal, and then the fight is on. In the
days in the book, the days are leading up to
the fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So it's kind of neat.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
When you read.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
The book, it's almost like you're reading it in real
time because as the plot unfolds to the fourth of July,
here we are. The book comes out in just three
days on July first, you're right there in the center
of the action in d C.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
So that's kind of how the book kicks off.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And and when you say kicks off, wow, from the
first page, two, three, four pages, but bam, you're in it.
You are, you are moving, you are and that you know,
that's that's typical with your books though, and then throughout
this one is interesting and I don't obviously I'm not
going to give away the plot, but it's not as
(24:35):
much traveling. Let me say, I'll say it like that, because.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I mean not as you national, it's domestic, it's DC.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
I wanted to create a kick butt, red, white, and
blue patriotic thriller.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
And what better place to.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Set it than in Washington because that's where all the
scuzzy politicians are and the people that are jockeying for
power in DC.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
If you've ever been there in the.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
Lead up, in Virginia and all over just in the
lead up to fourth of July is just You've got
the bunting and the banners and the flags everywhere, and
it's like a scene out of a movie. And so
I thought it would be fun, and I could also
plan on some of the old school trade craft, which
has become even more important for spies and people in
the counterintelligence world as the technology has taken off. You
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really have to go old school with brush bypasses and
dead drops and all that stuff. So it was fun
to meld all that together and put it in our
nation's capital, just on the just on the the eve
of our nation's independent celebration.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
If I am so glad you said this, because so
I'm a John lacarre A fan. If I'm saying that
right anyway too, John Array, Yep, this this is like
spy stuff. I got hints of that, you know, as
you smelled this, but you got hints of that kind
of classic spy stuff in this one. A fan of.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Lacaras too, So that's that's you paid me an incredible
compliment by by aligning my name with him. I'm a
huge Licarret fan, and he's one of the reasons I
became a thriller and spy novelist myself.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
All right, So now hey, you're with how long have
you been with Simon and Schuster.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
From the very beginning from the very first book that
debuted in January of two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That was a huge leap for them. I mean because
you hadn't done this before. I mean, how did that
happen with? I mean Simon and Schuster is big. I
mean they're big.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, No, they're big.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Well A, I wrote a great book. I mean, that's
the proof is in the pudding. And I think it
also helped that I had my own television series which
I had been producing, called Traveling Light, that was nationwide
on public television. So I came in with an audience
which was very attractive to Simon and Schuster.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
I wasn't an unknown.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
I was an unknown as far as being an author,
but I wasn't an unknown personality kind of in the
entertainment world.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Okay, we talked about it in the green room. I
want to know.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Okay, question first, Yes, your wife, Clark is one of
the most incredible photographers on the planet.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
That she took of you that you posted reading Edge
of Honor. She's like Ansel Adams times one hundred.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
That is how'd you get an American flag in the
background in this incredible landscape? That photo is one of
the best I've ever seen. You take great photos with
my books every year. I really appreciate you for that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thank you well. And you know it's it's on Facebook,
it's on your thing. And that's actually some property that
we have up Dry Fork Canyon in Utah. And that
is the view. That is the view from our overlook
on the property. And yes, that flag was not AI.
That flag is up there. That flag's not on our property,
but that's across the valley. But yeah, and and because
(27:45):
I fancy myself kind of a Scott Harveth kind of
a person, and my wife is nor Is Swedish, so
you know, I mean, hey, it goes you know, so
Casey j And yes, you got some. So I want
to know, well, give me one of you. I want
to know the brad thor what. Give me a show
(28:06):
that's in your Netflix watch list right now that you
haven't finished watching.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
So I have been watching. So I've been watching two
shows simultaneously. One in the original French. My mom had
been a flight attendant for twa New York Paris, Paris,
New York, and she had to learn French for it,
and we went to a school run by French nuns
growing up, so I speak French.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
I have since I was a kid.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
So I'm watching the original French which is called The Bureau,
and then there's The Agency, which is this I believe
it's a showtime series that's all about the CIA, and
there's a guy that gets pulled out of of the
Middle East and he's got an.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Affair going with an operative.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
I think the French version is better. I like it
more than the American version. Great actors, I mean, Richard
Gears great, John Ham's great, Michael Fassbender's great, But I'm
watching them simultaneously because they are almost word for word
the same.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
The episode The Bureau and the Agency.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
All right, when are we going to see? When am
I going to be able to binge watch Scott Harvath
on my TV? You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 7 (29:10):
My Greenworm? Yeah, so this is so I'm not allowed to.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
So our deal is closed and we are now developing
the series. We are waiting for the big announcement to
be made, but we are going to have a Scott
Harvath television series. We're working on the scripts now and
execu One of our executive producers is Howard Gordon, who
did twenty.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Four and did Homeland.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Our director is Chad Stahulski, who did the John Wick movies,
who's fantastic. Our writer is Steve Lightfoot, who did the
Punisher series and a bunch of other things. He's a
massive writing talent. Shan and Novett Reddick who found the
book Black Clansman and did that, did the movie Get Out,
did Day Shift with Jamie Fox. Just we have an
(29:52):
a list team working on this and I'm really really
lucky to be with such huge players. So hopefully will
be shooting because it can be based in the beginning.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
On lines of Lucerne.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
So I'm hoping that we right after the Christmas holidays
will will be off shooting.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
And then, like I said to you in the green room, because.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
The whole thing, the whole opening part of that book
takes place in Deer Valley, I expect we'll be in
Deer Valley shooting stuff, and I want you to come
to the set and maybe we'll do a little podcast
thing or a little remote thing, a little interview right
there on the set.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I'm there, I'm there, all right, Yeah, I'm there. So
the ideas and the scenarios in your books without exception, Well,
I'll say this, if you've read Brad's books and gone
through what Scott Harbath, the protagonist goes through, You'll be
(30:47):
sitting there listening to the news a year, two years,
maybe even three years later and say that happened in
the freaking book, this exact thing, I mean, almost down
to the down to the to the players. How do
you do that? Let's be how do you do that?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
You know what?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
I'm a voracious consumer of news, and I would always
I look at things and say, what if? What if
it really isn't this?
Speaker 7 (31:14):
What if it's that? What if what if this happened?
Speaker 8 (31:18):
What if that happened? Blah blah blah blah blah. So
it's just I'm a it's just the way my mind works.
There's no way to explain it other than that it's
it's just how my head got.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
So let's take that one step further as we look
at the news and what's happening today, Brad, how does it?
I mean a lot of things are changing internationally, domestically
that I'm like, going, boy, I can easily see this
coming into a next novel.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah, there's a certain element of obviously with the current administration.
And by the way, the first review I got on
Edge of Honor was this is a book that's great
for everybody, no matter how you vote. Brad really threads
the needle and doesn't take a side. It's not pro
one part anti the other party. It is there's a
new administration in this book, it's a young president. It's
(32:07):
the youngest president we've had since Kennedy. I was really
trying to create a.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Fictional world here.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
So it is tough now to look at the headlines
because you know, you look at the odd odds makers
and I don't even think they knew that that President
Trump was going to go into Iran and do what
he did and all that kind of stuff, And you know,
and that somebody who's going to leak details afterwards about
how effective those big bunker busters were. So this is
(32:34):
a very difficult environment within which to write because there
are things that are happening that I never could have predicted.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
There's such an.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Unknowing in the world, kind of off balance, not knowing
what the United States is going to do next, which.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Can be good for bad guys.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
It can bring people to heal if if they don't
know what to expect, if they can't figure out how
to play us three steps ahead of our own game.
So all I can say is, right now, it's tough.
It's really hard to write, But like an Edge of Honor,
there's stuff I can see because history doesn't repeat, but
it does rhyme, and so that's I've always been fascinated
(33:09):
with the French Revolution and the Angry Jacobins and those
violent factions there. So the idea of a faction in
Washington saying, ah, the people are idiots. We can't trust
on them to vote, We can't trust them to vote properly.
We need to accelerate their accelerationists. We need to accelerate
and get to the position where we think us powerful
people think the nation needs to be. So we're gonna
We're gonna kill, blow stuff off main people all the
(33:30):
way through.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
The book is Edge of Honor. Brad Thor that is
his real name. I've already gone through it with him, folks.
That is his actual name. And what an awesomely cool
name that is and Edge of Honor. It is available.
You just go ahead and pre order right now. You
can get it anywhere that you get any other books.
(33:52):
And I have also pre ordered the audio from Audible
because I love your narrator. He's just fantastic, just fantastic.
Never lose him. And Edge of Honor it's available in
three days July first, but just pre order it now
and you will enjoy it with your toes in the
(34:13):
sand and a drink in your hand, just sitting there.
That is the perfect summertime read. Brad, thanks for being
on Gun Radio Utah. I appreciate you, you my friend.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And when we come back, we've got more here, the
Davis Davis Range, the Davis Stay Tune will be right
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