Gun Radio Utah: New Weapon Bills

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am your host, Clark Oposion sitting across from me
virtually virtually Bill Petterson, director of Utah Shooting Sports Council
and Utah State's newest gun lobbyist.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Is that right, Bill?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, I'm I guess I am. I'm
now official lobbyist here in Utah.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
For you better go get your You've got to go
get your badge, and you have to wear it all
wake up the morning.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm gonna face it in the I'm gonna just throw
it in those green coats face and say let me in.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Actually, guess what what You can no longer be included.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You cannot go onto the floor of the house or
the sun.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, I do know that. I am excuse.
You used to be able to, but now you are prohibited.
That is that's like lava.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So for some of our customers, I'm actually streaming this
live on Instagram, and so as I look at you,
you can probably see my little light there.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
But yeah, we're driving, We're okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
So Bill, so those because this is radio and he's
trying to make it TV. I guess he has these glasses,
these glasses that look they look like nerdy glasses and
you know, black frame plastic.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
But they're actually pretty cool. What do they called, Bill,
they're ray bands, they're metas. Yeah, so I can actually.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
They have a video camera in there and they can
talk to you because they have a speaker and a
microphone in your ears. And uh so, anyway, so you're so,
how do people go on Instagram and watch.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I just look pro Gun nineteen eleven and you'll find us.
But you can always find us on Gun Radio, Utah,
on iHeartMedia or any of your favorite podcasts and you
can always find us here one oh five nine three
o'clock PM, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Or podcast Yeah. So anyway, all right, anyway, I'm gonna
give the rundown. Okay, so on on what we got.
I have just been solid zoom calls, phone calls, in
person meetings regarding legislation this year. Already the session hasn't
even started. It starts on John M. Browning's birthday Tuesday.
And by the way, yeah sad because guess what else starts. Well,

(02:15):
what starts on Monday is Shot Show, the Shooting Hunting
Outdoor Trade Association Show, which is like the coolest gun
show that you cannot buy anything out but you know
everything new and it's a four day show and I
can't go to it this year because we have bills
coming out that very first week.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
So you know what else is happening to on Monday?
This is our last broadcast under the Biden This is
our last administration.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Say that again.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Now, this is our last broadcast under the Biden Harris administration.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
That is correct, and last week.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
We've made it throughout four years and less with unless
Hunter Biden and Kamala run again together and then there's
going to be another Hunter Biden.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Are you speculating here?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
You well, no not, but I mean you can't. You
can't just throw that out there. And technically speaking, because
Joe has only done one term, he could run again.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, I'm I'm not saying that it's likely to happen.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I'm just saying that, you know, we have to be
careful when we speak in absolutes, so that it's the
at least for four years, it's our last broadcast under Biden.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Wells, at least for four years. Four years. All right,
let me tell you what we're going to be talking
about today.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
We have got I do want to talk about a
couple US House, the US Congress bills HR thirty eight
and h R four.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
To oh four or zero.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Form one deals with suppressors and the other deals with
reciprocity recognition concealed carrie across these great United States, and
that's crazy top. Essentially, I've told you everything about them
right there, but we're gonna we'll they dove into them
a little teeny bit.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
But yeah, they are fairly simple bills.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
If you go, if you type in, if you type
in HR thirty eight twenty five, because there's always going
to be an HR thirty eight in the US House
every year, so type that in you can actually get
the text of the bill.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And I'll tell you something about its.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Sponsors and co sponsors in a sec All right, we
are going to I've got a couple stories here, and
one is that there was a real interesting Amekas brief,
a Friend of the Court brief to the United States
Supreme Court as it focuses on a First Amendment, a

(04:52):
free speech type thing that involves Daniel Defense firearms. We
know they're quality makers of semi automatic gas operated bill
All firearms, yep, very and they they got in trouble
for some of their advertising.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So well, now I miss it.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's it was a civil case, so they didn't necessarily
get in trouble, but they were they were playing or
they were respondents in a civil case. And then also, hey,
did you put I don't know if you want to
admit this or not, build did you put your pistol
brace back on your pistol?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, because you're holding on to it. I heard you've
got one for me.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
What well, No, but you had pistol braces, didn't you.
Didn't you dig them out of the water in the
lake that they.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I threw my crab traps down up at Strawberry And I.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
May have some I may have I have some updated
news for you. Just when you just when you thought,
just when you thought, hey, is it safe to bring
this little puppy out and put it back on my pistol?
Just when you thought it was safe, the AHF said,
hold on there a second. There, all right, Yeah, another

(05:57):
big thing I got to tell you. Well, well, we
know a lot of the legislative bills that are going
to start, Well the session starts. The Utah Legislative Session
for twenty twenty five begins on Tuesday. We already have
what do I have like seventeen. Now, maybe nineteen bills

(06:18):
that we're following already.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Thirty four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
they're forteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. Yeah, we got seventeen, nineteen, uteen.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Now, the vast majority of these are good gun bills. There.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
There's not really a whole bunch of earth shattering type things.
A lot of what I call housekeeping. I like to
call even the big bills housekeeping because it sets the
committee at ease. But there's there's some there's some that
are well. As we've described them before, there's the good,
there's the bad, and there's the ugly. So we're going

(06:54):
to talk abou a few of them, and likelihood I'm
going to give you the bill numbers. Yeah, when we
get into it, I'm gonna give you the bill numbers,
and you just go. If you just google Utah dot
gov Legislature or Utah dot Gov Bills twenty twenty five,
you'll come onto the legislative website, follow the links there.

(07:15):
That's the best I can tell you, and you can
type in all these bill numbers. Go to bill tracking.
You can type in all the bill numbers. You can
read the bills. You can find out about the sponsor,
the co sponsors. You can find out where they are
in the process. Are they are they in process? Are
they you know, do we actually have the language for
them yet the Are they in rules committee?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Are they in have they.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Been assigned to a House committee or a Senate committee.
You can see what the votes are, see everything about
these bills, all the amendments to them.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, and when the committee hearings are as well. Also,
if you want to participate, find out who your legislator.
If you don't know who your representatives are, reach out
to your representatives and make sure they fully understand and
your position on these bills, what you like and what
you don't like about these bills. So, yeah, so when
we come back and we go over these bills, make
sure you got a pencil and a piece of paper,

(08:10):
write down these bill numbers down so you can go
online at the website and you can track these as well.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So this is how we are. So just so you
know we're going to delve into them now.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You can always replay this on podcast or if you're
listening on podcast right now.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hey, thanks thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
You're the ones that have made US as high as
second in the nation. We are number five, i think
according to feed spot in the nation for a gun
related radio in podcast. So thank you very much for
our fantastic listeners to gun Radio Utah. We're going to
be right back and we're going to get into it.
Stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Hey this We're going to be going over this here
real quick. I'm going to give you two minutes. Grab
your pencil, grab your paper. Yeah, maybe it won't be
that long, but oh you write this down for sure.
To grab a pencil. Yeah, okay, but yeah, rite this down.
Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org. Go to this website up

(09:05):
on the top. You got the menu bar, Just click
on alerts. Make sure you click on alerts. Put in
your email address so you can get updated information on
every bill that we cover. If we cover, if we
come out with a you know, an emergency, a situation
on a bill, we need your represent as to you know,

(09:25):
push this thing through or whatever. Or maybe we need
some community support and we might just do a live
teams meeting to invite you to that team's meeting so
you can hear what's going on, what we're doing up
on the hill. We do all kinds of things over
the next few weeks to get these bills going in.
It's it can be fun, it being very enjoyable, it

(09:48):
can be entertaining. It's chaotic as well. But it's always
good to let you know when these bills are going
to be heard so you can participate up on the
hill and sit in these committee hearings and just your
presence alone. Your presence alone can go a long ways
to your representatives say, yeah, these people care about these

(10:09):
positions on these bills. But Clark, we got a lot
of it and covers.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, we have a lot of bills.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I'm just gonna I'm gonna spend a short time on some,
a little bit more on some others to explain it
and tell you our position on them. And then remember,
since ever since COVID, we have the opportunity that continues
at the Utah Legislature to appear in committee via via video.
Yeah you know, so zoom or like the zoom type

(10:37):
of thing, and so you can you can be recognized
just as if you were in the committee. All right,
So I'm just going to start with the lowest number first,
HB ninety four. If I say HB that means House bill.
If it's an SB, it's a Senate bill. We can
get into resolutions and that kind of thing too, but
they just are generally speaking assigned numbers by the order

(10:58):
in which they come through legislation of research. HB ninety
four caught my eye because it has the word slaughter in.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
The new language.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Anyway, it's not really anything that we need to worry about,
Representative Roberts. It's exemption from Dangerous Weapons provision, and it
talks about a change regarding farm the use of some
firearms on farm to conduct appropriate dispatching of animals and

(11:29):
that kind of stuff. So not hunting, but kind of
farm animals. All right, now we're getting into HB one
oh four. This is a big one. In fact, I
was just on the Roden greg show yesterday talking about
this one. It mandates now, and generally speaking, I don't
like mandates. But we've encouraged firearms safety education in schools,

(11:51):
and most of the schools, especially in Salt Lake and
Davis and Utah County, have thumbed their nose at the
idea that kids should learn safety regarding firearms.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
We're not talking pro firearms.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
We're certainly not talking anti gun type stuff, but being
that there's a firearm and over fifty percent of the
how homes in Utah, then you know, even if you
don't have a gun in your home, your kids go
to visit somebody else as they're likely to have a gun.
And maybe you didn't grow up aro ound guns, maybe
you don't know what you're doing when you're teaching kids

(12:24):
about safety. It's not really they're not going to get
a bachelor's degree in safety on this thing. It's just
some real simple stuff, kind of like you know, when
you see a hot stove, you teach your kids don't
touch it, don't touch that snarling dog, don't talk to
weird strangers, and you know that kind of a thing.
It's generally along that line, maybe a little bit more detailed.

(12:47):
We're thinking and envisioning somewhere between a five to fifteen
minute presentation and with Representative Ship's bill, it's HB one
O four Firearms Safety in School Amendments. It's a K
through twelve. K through six will be every year they're
going to have this presentation, and then seven through twelve
they're going.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
To have it once.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Every three years, so they'll have it ultimately twice between
seven and twelve, and it's going to be age appropriate
and no, it won't be profilearm, but it certainly won't
be anti and that's one of the things that we're
working with Representative Ship, who knows very well we're going
to be going to make sure that the legislature as
appropriate controls the curriculum and make sure that the local LAAA,

(13:34):
the local Education Authority which is listed in here, doesn't
try to morph this into something that says guns are
bad anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
And parents can opt out.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
If you've already taught your kid, or you just don't
want your kid learning anything about firearm safety, then you
can opt out. But other than if, unless you opt out,
your kids are going to be taught that. Okay, So
that was HB. When I say one four one for
moving around along HB one two, let's call this one

(14:05):
of the.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
It's an unneeded bill.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's Representative Andrew Stoddard, and he has been known to
have some interesting bills before. I'm not a fan of
this one. It's called firearm storage requirements, and we already
were already encouraging appropriate firearm storage requirements. But all it
does is focus on guns. It doesn't focus on any

(14:30):
other dangerous items. And we already have criminal negligence reckless
endangerment type statutes in our code and for any dangerous item,
including guns.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
This one singles out firearms and.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Makes and makes it a crime if you don't have
it stored in a specific way and somebody gets a
hold of it. So you know, you know, he was
a I think he might still be, but he was
at least a former prosecutor for Midvale. Maybe I ask
him how many times somebody improperly stored a gun and
it was used illegally by a minor, and how many

(15:09):
times I prosecuted under the existing ability existing law they had.
How many times did they utilize that law to prosecute
I'll bet it would be zero anyway, So that is
we are not a fan. We're a big no vote
on HB one three to two HB one forty three.
Representative Matt McPherson. Matt McPherson has been on Gun Radio

(15:32):
Utah a few times before.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
We work well with him.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
This bill essentially establishes a tax credit for the purchase
of a firearm safety device. I could go deeper into it,
but it's A. It's a one time thing up to
fifty dollars right now. That number may be changing, but
fifty dollars is not going to buy you a gun vault,
but it may certainly go a long ways to buying
a biometric safe or something like that.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
We also toyed with the idea of saying, hey, how
about this, how about we just stop charging state sales
tax on firearm safety devices and then maybe we can
go them farther and say guns and ammunition to anything
gun like that. Yeah, so no, no state sales tax
on that.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Or still a state free day. Maybe July fourth, or
you know, third or fourth and fifth John M. Browning's birthday,
and Browning's birthday would be a going because then the
eldest stores open and BC eyes open.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
But a tax free day for any or how about
February twenty second? February twenty second. There's a lot of
two's in that one for two A. I don't know,
just a thought. I like that idea, bill, you know,
a tax free day. If you're not going to have
it all the time, then have it at least on
one day. But you know, yeah, I agree with you,

(16:59):
all right, so we're a bit yes on what was it?
When I say HB one four to three, HB one.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Four three, one four three or one four zero, one
four three, you're right, one.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Four three, one four three, one four three. All right,
here's one. Uh.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
In fact, we were just talking with the NRA earlier
bill and I were just on a zoom call talking
about this bill by Jake fitzisum anu fifty cm fifty
seminu semu. I think anyway, it's a representative I have
not met yet and I haven't dealt with before. It's

(17:36):
HB one eighty seven Imitation Firearm amendments. So you know,
when you've got a toy gun under federal law. This
does not include aerosoft pistols, and where does it include
paintball guns. But any toy gun other than those, not
that those are toy guns, but has to have an
orange tip. It's got to be at least six millimeters
wide or a one inch wide strip on both sides

(18:00):
of the barrel of blaze orange. And as far as
I can tell, because I really hadn't gotten into it
too much, but as far as I can tell, under
federal law, the manufacture you cannot manufacture and or sell
or transfer that kind of thing one of these unless
it has that. However, I can't find a federal code,

(18:21):
a statute, or a CFR that restricts you from taking
the orange tip off. This bill would make it a
crime if you remove the orange tip.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
So actually, actually I take that back.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
It includes the unlawful alteration of the toy looklike imitation
firearm blah blah blah toy, or and even possessing it
even if you didn't take it off. If you're possessing it. Now,
this is for miners only, so they're going to be
hooking up a bunch of little kids that take off
the orange tips off their guns. So we are doing

(19:00):
some research. I just want to make sure this isn't
going to include airsoftware paintball guns. And we still may
not like it even if it does or doesn't. But
what bill One of these things that came up is
what if I were to take a real gun and
put an orange tip on it?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Would that fool you? I don't know if I would
treat it any differently, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
All right, So anyway, we're not a fan of this one,
and we're gonna have some other talking points for it.
But HB one eighty seven, if you have some interesting
talking points on this one, let us know. I get
a hold of us at Utah Shooting Sports Council. I've
got like three messages I've got to return from some members,
and I have just been so stacked. So if you're
one of the members that has reached out to us

(19:46):
and I haven't gotten back with you, I've just been
so stacked with legislation here, which is the reason I
can't go to a shot show. Okay, Oh, we got
that all right, So tell you what. We've got a
few more to go when we come back on on
Radio Utah and we'll be right back, So stay tuned.
Speaking of well that's not really speaking of which on
this one. But Bill, have you have you got it broken?

(20:08):
You know you looked up the d X twelve twelve
gage punisher shotgun short bailed breakopen shotgun. It was a
side by side essentially pistol gripped, short barreled And so
I have some projects over at the gunsmith at Sportsman's
Warehouse right now. I may actually send them that picture

(20:32):
of the d X twelve Punisher shotgun and tell them
to remake one of my side by sides like that.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
That would be actually pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
But you know what, that would be quite an undertaking,
But they could do it because the gunsmith at Sportsman's
Warehouse can really transform your gun into a non working
wallhanger into something that you can enjoy once again, whether
it be stockwork, engraving, sarah coding, refinishing, fixing a part,
replacing a part that has been lost.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Obviously, threading of.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Barrels for suppressors and flash hiders, whatever needs to be done.
Get a hold of the good folks at Sportsmen's Warehouse.
They're at sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt
Lake City. Give them a call the gunsmith at eight
oh one three zero four eighty seventy, or take it
to any of the over one hundred and forty six
Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. There's got to be one near you. Bill,

(21:28):
we've got some more legislation. I'm gonna run through these things,
so hopefully we can get them done in this segment.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Maybe we even have some extra time.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
All right, again, another Representative, Matt McPherson, Bill, this is
an interesting one. So some of our listeners may know
what a plea in abeyance is. A plea in abeyance
is when you basically plead guilty or no contest to
a crime, and now you're essentially guilty then, but the

(22:00):
restrict or not the restriction, the penalty for it is
held in abeyance for generally six months or a year,
and if you keep your nose clean, it.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Gets wiped, it's gone as if it didn't happen. That's
a plea in abeyance.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well, they there wasn't a restriction that if you committed
a crime that and you did a plea in abeyance,
which is essentially a guilty plea, that if it was
a crime that prohibited you from owning guns and the
police had your gun, they could keep it during that.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Pla in abeyance period.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
But if it was a crime that didn't prohibit you
from owning a gun, well they could write in that
play in abeyance agreement that you couldn't have the gun.
So we're getting rid of that's so, if you plead
guilty to it and enter into a plea abayance agreement
with the court, and it's a crime to which you
wouldn't lose your firearm rights. They cannot even right into

(23:01):
the plea in abance agreement that you have to give
up your guns. So I think it's a good bill.
It's probably been overlooked by many times. But I would
imagine that Representative McPherson probably had somebody that had that
issue come up.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
All right, here's that was what I said that bill.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
HB one nine, Thank you bill, Thank you bill for
that bill number HB one n HB two two one.
Representative Colin Jack if somebody this bill would provide a
separate offense of damaging a firearm storage device or container
or safety device during the commission of a burglary. So
somebody breaks in, let's say it at your house or
your vehicle or whatever, and is prying open your little gun,

(23:43):
say for your gun vault or whatever, or you know,
even cutting the lock off of you know, a trigger
or cable lock or something like that. That's a separate
offense now specific to firearms, and that is HB two
two one. We're in agreement with that one. Yeah, great bill,
great bill. Agreement. Speaking of agreements, we're not in agreement

(24:04):
with this one. HB two two seven. This is Representative
Verona Mauga, and I don't know I don't know this representative.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I haven't worked with them. And this is the first time.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
In fact, I'll tell you this, this is the first
time they've come up with a bill like this, unless
it's their first session anyway. But essentially, right now, this
deals with due process, and it deals with existing federal law.
So right now, if you are adjudicated mentally incompetent, a
court via due process has said, eah, you're not quite right. Well,

(24:43):
you are restricted under federal law and state law from
purchasing and possessing a firearm. You're on the DONA buy list,
and Utah has made it such that if you were
subject to that, that you can get off of it
through a separate adjudication. Well, and now what they want
to do. But that was and we're doing some research

(25:05):
on it. But now this bill deals with if you
pleaded guilty by reason of insanity to a crime, that
even if you were guilty guilty without the reason of insanity,
thing that wouldn't wouldn't prohibit you from owning guns. This

(25:26):
bill would provide that you cannot have guns even if
the underlying crime wasn't a violent one. Wasn't wasn't a felony,
you know, something like that that wouldn't have prohibited. Now
there's going to be some talk back and forth because
we've got to do some research and find out if
that adjudication would have counted under federal law as an

(25:48):
adjudication for mentally and change. So we've got we've got
some research that we do, and that's what we do
at Utah Shooting Sports Council.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
We have fantastic board that will research this.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
And and be able to have some good talking points
on that one.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
And speaking of talking points, we had.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Some other ones out there and oh look, I've got
all these bills here right here, okay, And we talked
about now we talked about this boy, we're moving right
along bill all right. We talked about Oh. SB one thirty,
that's a huge one. SB one thirty. I do want
to get done with that one. This is kind of

(26:25):
a This is a Senate bill SB one thirty by
Senator bloom Blown. It has it's a catch all for
every bad gun law out there.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
This will uh.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
This involves ghost guns, waiting periods, machine gun firearm attachments.
It has a semi auto ban, that if pretty much
a blanket semi auto ban, a magazine restriction ban. It's
got everything, it's got everything, huge opposition to SB one thirty.

(26:58):
And we've got that, We've got the Restricted Persons Amendment's firms.
They said, yeah, I think, Bill, I think we got
through all the ones that I wanted to get through.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah. So if we did that, you've done a good job.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
All right, So go on and or replay the podcast
and get those numbers again, they'll probably Bill, will.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
They be up on our website at all? Yeah, well, yeah,
we'll work. We'll work on getting those up. But definitely
get signed up for Utah Shooting Sportscouncil dot org. Get
on our alerts so you'll see the activity there and
information and updates as well.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
So, okay, real quickly before we go, we've got take
a look at in the one hundred and eighteenth Congress
of the United States House, the first session HR thirty eight.
If you just type in HR thirty eight, twenty twenty
five US House or US Congress, you're going to find
the bill that provides a mean by which non residents

(27:56):
of a state whose residents can carry a concealed firearm
can also do that in the other states. So essentially
it's a national reciprocity bill. We have one of these
every year bill every year there's but they never seem
to get any legs. I've literally seen one time it
came up and I think it was in the Senate

(28:18):
where it came up for a vote and it lost.
By this is many years ago and eight nine, ten
years ago, and it came up for a vote and
it lost, and which it was orchestrated.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
But take a look. Now.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
The interesting thing on this bill is we have Representative
Blake Moore and who else, let's see and Representative Burgess
Owens have signed on to this one in support, but
I didn't see. Now hopefully I'm wrong or they just
haven't gotten around to it. Representative Tim Kennedy and Representative

(28:52):
Celeste Malloy. So if you get a second, be nice
because they may just not have crossed their desk yet.
Asked them if they wouldn't sign on to HR thirty eight.
We like this bill, and I think it's a good
step into making national permit list carry a thing.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, and I'm feeling pretty ideally they could go through
this one could go through with our newation when we
come back.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
We'll have more on pistol braces and free speech when
we come back on Gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Stay tuned legislation session. And speaking of legislation, there's one
other House Representative bill that we wanted to talk about.
HR four four in this US House HR four O
four and this is the removal of silencers from the
definition of the firearms term. And as I was looking

(29:46):
at this, Clark, I noticed that we've.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Got getting an echo Danny.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, I'm getting a little echo as well too. We
do have Celeste Molloy and Burgess Owns signed up as
co sponsors on this bill. So now I did notice
the date of the co sponsorship was on the fifteenth
of the month, so maybe it hasn't quite updated yet.
So but yeah, I think we'll see that shortly. But yeah,

(30:17):
reach out to your representatives. Do it in a nice
fashion though maybe they haven't seen it come through yet,
or or maybe they do have a hold up, but
you know, at least ask them to jump on board
with the rest of us here in Utah.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, maybe they found something in the bill that they
don't like, so we want to know about that.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I thought that you have a great model number for
a suppressor. Maybe Silence or Co could come out with
this trademark, Bill Peterson Clerk A potion on Utah gun
radio is the model HR four oh four, And.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
It'd be nice.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
That'd be a long, that'd be a lot to print
on the suppressor. But really I'm all for that. That
would be nice. So all right, so chart thirty eight
HR four oh four.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yep, all right, let me.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Tell you about something on pistol braces. Just when you
thought your pistol brace was safe to come out of
the closet.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Anyway, So on Friday, Gun Owners of America published an
email that it reportedly got from one of its members
that the member wrote a letter to the ATF and
supposedly the the FIPB, the Firearms Industry Program Branch, asking Hey,

(31:33):
if I put a pistol brace on my CZ Scorpion pistol.
The CZ Scorpion pistol looks it's a really cool little gun,
and it's a pistol though it doesn't have a stock
at all, but it has the rear trunion which you
can attach a stock to a pistol brace, pistol brace
or regular stock to it. If you attach a regular

(31:54):
stock to it, it is undoubtedly.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
A short barreled rifle.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
But if you your pistol brace to it, it's still
a pistol and it just has a brace on it.
And they asked the ATF, does that make it a
short barreled rifle if I put a brisk pistol brace.
The ATF came back and said, yep, it's a short
barreled rifle if you do that.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Is that I got to ask you though? Is that
because they just can't let go of things? Well, I mean,
think about it, you know, I don't Yeah, maybe that's
their I don't know, No, that's their way of arguing
the point.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, I mean there's when they came out with that rule,
the final rule in twenty twenty three. We talked about
it quite a bit, you know, was it two years ago?
And they said, you know, they had all these just
the litany of things that you hoops, you had to
jump through, but pretty much, if you put a pistol
brace on a pistol, it becomes a short barreled rifle.

(32:49):
And if you didn't want to do if you didn't
want to register it as such, pay the two hundred
dollars and get a tax stamp. Then you needed to
take the pistol brace off. And so a lot of folks,
you know whatever, they complied one way or the other
with it, but then they the lawsuits started, lots and

(33:10):
lots of lawsuits, and the biggest one I think that
made note was a fifth circuit out of Texas enjoined
it and said, you know what, we haven't decided completely
on it yet, but we're going to stop the ATF
from from enforcing this until it's all done so completely nationwide,

(33:34):
they're going to stop the enforcement of it. So nationwide
enforcement of the rule in its entirely, and that happened
November of twenty twenty three, so about what about ten
months later or so, and the government has appealed the
ruling and so on and so forth. But there's quite
a few other law laws and lots of other Friends
of the Court briefs on existing lawsuits. But essentially what

(33:54):
they're doing is it sounds like the ATF is going
act even before their January twenty twenty three rule. Yeah,
and they're just going back to the Gun Control Act
of thirty four and sixty eight and saying nope, you
put that on it. It's a stock and it's a
short Reld rifle.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Now, mentally, they have not changed their mind. No, No,
they're they're gonna they're gonna stick with it, and they're
going to push this as far as they can until
someone comes out and says, no, you can't do that.
You can't you know, you want to make rules, go ahead,
but take them through Congress, you know. And so that's
where I think that they're probably just sticking to their guns,

(34:34):
you know that. You know, that's one thing I'm going
to miss Clark. I mean, when we usually go to
shots Show, we get to go stop by the ATF
booth and.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
We you know, what's strange, what what was strange to
you about every time we stopped.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
By there, how much they didn't want to talk to
its well, how much they knew me already, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
That was what was just just scary freakyt Well, yeah,
they got the little bit, they got their little a
deck of cards there and they're like, yep, there's Clark
the joker. I mean, the name the name of potion
stands out like a turd and a punch bowl to them,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
So anyway, Oh, sorry.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Anyway, no apologies, and we've got I've got less than
a minute left on this one. So the NRA files
a Friend of the court brief that Davidson Defense is
being sued because they had commercials that depicted fire individuals

(35:30):
and military gear tactical equipment, and they expressed support for
the right to keep in bear arms. And one of
the people supposedly that watched one of those went on
a shooting spree and killed some people. And now they
want to blame the manufacturers social media post saying that
influenced the shooter to act. My question is, was there
any illegal acts perpetrated or suggested by those social media posts?

Speaker 3 (35:52):
And why the television being company manufacturer being sued that
displayed and content you know, Yeah, because they go to
they go after a publisher in our magaz business, Yeah,
they go after a magazine.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
So anyway, and if.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
If they succeed with if they succeed with with Davidson Defense,
then that's a template to attack all of the man
So anyways, Bill has been fantastic until next week.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, we'll see you here in a couple of days.
We're gonna get busy, so have a great weekend. Everyone,
and we will be back next week.