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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For you from my cold dead Han.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's time for Gun Radio Utah, No Apologies, a show
dedicated to preserving and protecting your constitutional right to bear
arms for your security and sport. Here's your host, well
known gun rights advocate and chairman of the Utah Shooting
Sports Council, Clark Opposion, and welcome to.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Gun Radio Utah. There are no apologies, and Bill Bill Patterson,
director of Utah Shooting Sports Council, sitting right across from me.
Happy Patriots Day, Bill.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Happy Patriots Day. Happy, And it is a happy That's
a two hundred.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And fifty years ago April nineteenth, seventeen seventy five.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Isn't that amazing? Two hundred and fifty. Yeah, to two
hundred and fifty doesn't seem that. I mean, it's a
long time, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, it doesn't it because you can connect. You can
connect somebody that was you know that you knew, that
was one hundred years old, would be one hundred years old,
you know now and then they would have known somebody
that was you know, So you can you can make
the connection. Still, it's not like three thousand years ago,
but we are going to be talking about the cities
(01:11):
of Lexington and Concord, and there's significance on today, significance
right up that day two hundred and fifty years ago,
as well as what does it mean today? And that
In fact, we're going to have we're going to have
Representative Walt Brooks on to give some exciting stuff because
you know, here we're thinking we had this great idea
(01:32):
and Representative Walt Brooks he beat us to it, beat
us to it. So can't wait to second segment. We're
going to have Representative Walt Brooks on talking about that
and I am going to give I'm going to give
a reading them a poem. Yep, Clark Aposen reads a poem. Oh,
story time, it's not a story, it's a poem. Time poem.
(01:53):
It's not my it's not my original poet. It's not
my poem.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You're going to do it with an accent or with
a cup of coffee in your hand.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You're like, like they're do an NPR or something or PBS. Yeah, exactly,
we're gonna do that. We're gonna talk about oh next week.
Oh so let me explain what's gonna go on next week.
So we've had a bunch of different stuff. I'm actually
going to be traveling to one of the original thirteen colonies, yeah,
(02:21):
the last one, Georgia, and to attend the NRA convention
this next week. So we're not going to be live.
We're gonna be but we have.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's gonna sound like we're live though.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well yeah we're yeah, but we have a special treat
for you. We're gonna have and so I want you
to google flux Rater. Flux like in flux Capacitor, but
flux Rater. We're gonna have the owner inventor had folks
on with them because your cousin, Cody Bill has a
connection to them. So anyway, yeah, anyway, so we got
(02:58):
them and they're a Utah company, so there, so we're
gonna have them on next week. So just even though
it won't be live, but that'll be cool and we
could pretend it's live. Oh we will. But if something happened,
This is the problem, folks that when we don't do
a live show, which we do ninety nine percent of
the time, something like that we do live. It's because
(03:18):
if something happens on a Friday or even Saturday morning,
we can talk about it. But what invariably happens, is
that we pre record on say a Tuesday or Wednesday,
and then something big the world collides into the moon
or something, and we don't talk about it because we
did a pre record anyway, So we're going to talk
(03:39):
about that bill if we have time. I've had I
think it's a sign we've had. I've had questions in
different classes I taught, including one from yesterday. Hey, when
is it okay to use this is their word, to
use my gun? You know, in self defense? That's a
(04:00):
huge question. So we're going to talk I want to
Well it's.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
A broad question too, I mean, what are you talking about?
When can I use my gun?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
What?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Changing the channels on the TV? Getting rid of the
cats in your backyard?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
There's a new cat that came in the backyard. I got. Yeah, No,
I'm not. We're not messing. We're not harming cats. We're not. No,
we're not. We're not doing that anyways.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But but something more in the legal sense of of
self defense with the.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Cat we're attacking you. Let's say, yeah, let's say the
cat was attacking you and you had nothing else to do.
You couldn't close the door.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Close the door, so stand my ground.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, Bill, what have you you? You got something speaking
about killing things?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yes, speaking of killing things. I'm going to be out
next week as well. I'm heading down south to go
on the turkey hunt, the spring turkey hunt.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Turkey turkey.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, So a couple of things that keep in mind, folks.
You'll be in thought and prayer, probably asking your significant
other what you can do, unless you're like me, I
just tell her what thatck. It's hunting season. So I
started putting in for my tags. I have until this Thursday.
(05:19):
Now I've put in my tags, and then I went
to lunch with my cousin and Friday yesterday, and now
I'm second guessing on some of the things.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Can you go back and readjust you can up until
the twenty third, yeah, or twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Twenty fourth yeah, I mean it's it's good to get
in through the twenty fourth or is that like it
ends literally at the you know what.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
The stroke of midnight on they used to.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Have they used to have the time on here, but
it says till April twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. I'm
gonna say, you better have your act together by ten pm.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Then the twenty third or twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Twenty third would be great, but the twenty fourth.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Should just figure on twenty third, just so you don't
they don't complain.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But I mean there's a lot of you there. I mean,
it always happens every year. Someone goes, oh crap on
Friday or Saturday when we bring it up saying hey,
do you get your application in? And then that one
of our listeners is going, oh, shoot, I just blew it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But because I'm listening on podcasts the week later.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Exactly, and so yeah, then we've got the spring Turkey
general season coming up on April twenty eighth, and that
that's a great time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
How long does that last work?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
That actually goes four weeks if I remember.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, so I know the turkeys are out because and
you went to County a turkey flew in front of
a car on Highway forty and smash the windshield and
the person is okay, but it looks like a turkey
hit the windshield. I mean it, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
A friend of mine had that happen to him, hit
his truck as he was driving. In fact, we make
fun of it because it was right at this time,
probably about ten years ago, and the steel or the
antenna whip. Yeah, a little ball at the end, so
called a static ball, embedded into the frame of his truck. Yeah,
(07:20):
right by the windshield. And yeah, so he's got a
nice reminder of that.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, Casey, Jane and I took the took the the
Rue sisters, Kanga and Chancy up to the property. And
I couldn't see the turkeys, but I could definitely hurt them.
Oh really, yeah, absolutely definitely.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's so dang fust.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I just started firing wildly. But and then Casey said stop,
you don't have your license for that yet, And I said,
all so anything.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, it's a great time. Everyone asked me why I
like turkey hunting, and it reminds me of elk hunting.
I mean, the animals are different, but I got I
got to set up I can set out a decoy.
I don't you actually do have some decoys for elk too,
But calling them in and getting those toms to respond
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to you, it is the funnest thing in the world
to watch.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And they are the closest thing to a prehistoric creature,
aren't they essentially? I mean they're a bat or something
like that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
About that, I think, But no, it is a really
good time. If you get a chance to go out
and you know someone and they're willing to take you out,
go with them and you'll have an enjoyable time.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And what do you use? What? What gun do you use?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I use shotgun twelve million?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, okay, choked twelve gage. That's that's pretty good gauge. Yeah. Great,
speaks the heck out of the eleven gauge.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Huh the eleven gage, yeah, or the thirteen thirteen gage.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. All right. Hey, when we come back on Gun
Radio Utah, stay tuned because we're going to be talking
more about Patriots Day, this two hundred and fifty year
anniversary of us telling the British which way to go,
which was showing them the way I when we come
back on Gun d Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I was actually supposed to be down south in Coral
Pink sand Dunes this weekend, and I was looking at
the weather and the weather was scaring the heck out
of me because it was saying it was going to
be snowing down there. So I bailed out. And I'm
glad I stayed up here because it is just gorgeous
up here, and we're so glad to have you with
us on gun Radio.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Utah speaking of south southern South.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yes, we have Representative Walt Brooks on the line with us.
Representative welcome to gun Radio, Utah, and you got to
help us out a little bit. Clark and I were
looking up District seventy five. What is District seventy five
encompass down there.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
So it's Saint George City proper, basically between the two
bluffs what we call Green Valley, which is going towards
Snow Canyon a little bit, and then up Highway eighteen
which goes to Pine Valley and Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh and then do you touch, you touch Nevada, don't you?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
No, Well, actually do because I go up to the
top side. But I'm really where the population is. Neil
Walter is basically the western side of the county. I'm
kind of in the middle, and then we have Colon
Jack that's in Washington, and then Joe Edison is the
eastern side.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's kind of how it's really broken up. You get
some good representation down in the southern part of the state,
you know people. Yeah, speaking of.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That, Yeah, we were just you know, as we're preparing
for Patriot Day here today.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
We thought why not? Well, you pointed out Bill that
there's only four states.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, there's only four states that actually celebrate patriots.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Patriots Day and now not to be confused with Patriot Day,
which is the September eleventh remembrance and Bill you pointed
out it was New Hampshire and Massachusetts, which are pretty obvious,
but one of them was North Dakota. And I'm like,
why doesn't Utah have that? So I got on the
phone to the House Majority Whip and I said, Representative Lizzenby.
(10:57):
I says, how come we don't have this and let's
do that? And she says, you know what, Representative Brooks
is way ahead of you, Clark. So anyway, tell us
about tell us about this last session bill and why
it has to be run again, and tell us about
tell us about your bill. H hc R. Seven.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Sure, So it's exactly what you're talking about. It's recognizing
Patriots Day for what it is. It's a man it's
one of the most important days I think in American
history about how we got started, how average citizens to
stand up for what's right and do what they have
to do. And and I think it's I mean, we
recognized Veteran's Day and all Memorial Day and all these
other days that you know, people fought for our country,
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and this was kind of the first one. Yeah, it
really was. So we we actually ran this the year before,
and the governor has authority to do it by himself,
so he made this kind of commencement that he was
going to start this, but it only ran for one year.
It was kind of a technical reality that they said
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they ran it for April nineteenth for twenty twenty three,
and we're like, wait, we want this thing going the ongoing.
So that's why we ran the bill last year to
make sure that every year April nineteenth. Because you know,
my wife's teaches elementary school. She's actually teaches first grade,
but the fifth graders this is kind of it's their thing,
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you know. They give me liberty the learning about the
American history. And we had a couple of classes the
teacher got on but by the time we had our
committee meetings, class was over, so the kids all you know,
got on the bus went home. But they were excited
to be there, to want to testify, to be able
to share their feelings about how it recognizes this day
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gave them more impact on what our history really was
founded on regular peoples.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's so important. It's so important because I mean, if
we look back, and if I may just go back
in time to two hundred and fifty years ago, we
were all British subjects essentially not and I say it
is subjects to the king, not citizens like we think
of today, but subjects. And in among the various colonies
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the thirteen colonies, from Georgia down on the south which
was the last colony, to Virginia, which well even north
of Virginia, but Virginia being the first colony of the thirteen.
And these were seemingly disparate colonies. They were banded or
they were a collection of either started by business enterprises
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with a with a charter from the king or the
king just you know, a royal colony like Georgia was
just started and they had a lot of tobacco plantations
there or religious religious persecution. But it wasn't just British people.
It was Irish, it was Scotch, it was even some
German and French. But they they all joined together eventually
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because they were subjects of the king and they'd been through.
They'd been through the Stamp Act, the Intolerables Act, all
these these oppressive type things that the King, that the Crown,
the British Empire was imposing on this and this was
a big undertaking, was it. I mean, at that time,
(14:16):
I think two hundred out of two hundred countries, there
was only twenty two that the British hadn't ruled, hadn't
conquered or whatever at the time. So among those things,
you know, the the Boston Tea Party, the tax these
kind of things. To give you a little bit, to
give us a little bit of history and remind the
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listeners it was about guns. It was about ammunition. That's
why we're talking about it on Gun Radio Utah. It's
about guns and ammunition. I mean, you can mess with
the tea, you can mess with the wood, you can
mess with the tobacco, but you start messing with guns
and ammo. Oh no, that's where seventy I think it
was seventy seven colonists. And these were essentially just church
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members that got woken up early in the morning by
Paul Revere and his buddies and saying that. And you know,
an interesting tidbit he didn't yell. First, he didn't yell anything,
and he didn't say the British are coming. He said
the Regulars are coming, because they were all British at
the time, and that's an important note. They were all British.
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The people that were taking their guns and ammo were
British just like they were fellow you know, essentially fellow
countrymen anyway, And he didn't yell it because there was
a lot of spies in the colonies that would report
right back to the crown or to the governor or
something like that. And Samuel Prescott and Paul Revere and
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others kind of quietly went around. When they found out
that the British Regulars eight hundred strong were coming through
a they you know, took boats across and went into Lexington.
And from Lexington, we're going to march to Concord where
the guns and ammo and the cannons and the cannon
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balls and the gunpowder were. And they got stopped in
Lexington on the Green and faced off and the British
regular said, hey, you guys, get out of here. Move
They stood their ground, seventy seven of them against eight hundred,
and yeah, they they were killed. Many of them were killed.
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Of the seventy seven were killed there. But they followed him,
followed him all the way to Concord and stopped him
on that North Bridge and sent them packing, and literally
sent them packing all because they were going to take
the guns in the AMMO. And that was.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So here's a here's a piece of irony. Yeah, oh, okay, irony, irony, okay.
And maybe Represent Brooks knows this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I bet he does.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Look at the thirteen colonies.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, up along, up and down the East East coast, up.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
All the way down to Georgia, and which states have
the strictest gun regulations today?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh, how that is ironic?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, fought Massachusetts, I mean all of them. Yeah, And
you know, I don't think we would survive it today,
but I think the British is much more smarter today.
So Representative, as I was looking at this bill, because
we're chatting away earlier there, we would like to add
one thing to this, with your permission, of course, because
(17:37):
you're the sponsor. We would like to see Patriots Day
as a tax free day for guns and ammunition in Utah.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Fantastic. Well, you know, Representative McPherson, you have to say McPherson,
because he's Scottish Representave McPherson ran a bill, but it
didn't it didn't make it through. I think it got
stopped in the Senate, like all the good ideas do. Anyway,
I went there, I did. I went there. I'm sorry,
(18:09):
but but yeah, I agree with you, Belle. I mean
you're gonna have to get into talks with the Representative
Brooks here now and see if we can kind of
squeeze that into there.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Something, give it some thought, give it some prayer.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So anyway, Representative, I wonder if you would indulge us
for a moment as I read the text of the
poem called The Conquered Him by Ralph Waldo Emerson and
which which was it was actually written in eighteen thirty
seven on the commemoration in Massachusetts for Patriots Day, And
(18:47):
if you can can we can we hold John for
that one. Let's see what time we've got. We've got
I think we've got just enough time to do this. Okay,
So here it is The The Conquered Him, and this
talks about if you can envision that fight on the
North Bridge stopping the British from coming into town to
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get the to get that guns ammunition by the rude
bridge that arched the flood. Their flag to April's breeze unfurled.
Here once the embattled farmers stood and fired the shot
heard round the world. The foe long since in silence,
slept alike the conqueror, silent sleeps and time the ruined
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bridge has swept down the dark stream which seaward creeps
on this green bank. By this soft stream, we set
today a vote of stone, that memory may their deed redeem. When,
like our sires, our sons are gone. Spirit that made
those heroes dare to die and leave their children free
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bid time and nature gently spare the shaft we raised
to them and the So you can find that in
the complete works of Ralph Waldo Emerson. And so it
is important. I'm so glad that you pointed out that
this is one of the most important significant dates in
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history that we don't have necessarily commemorated across this nation.
So thank you, Representative Book Brooks for h it's hc
R seven right correct, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And if you don't mind, I just the reason it
really struck me is when my son, he's kind of
a history buff and he graduated high school. We went
on a trip and he wanted to go to see
a Patriots game, you know, in Massachusetts. So we went
back there and we went and checked all these sights
out and in Concord Lexington, he was like re enacting
the war. He's like, Dad, I hearing it behind this
wall and they were shooting stuff. And so when the
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Sons of Revolutionary War, we have a chapter in Saint George,
there's a chapter in Salt Lake. Brought this idea to me. Dude,
is struck a chord. I mean, kids need to know
this stuff. I didn't know it, like my son knew
it because he just loves that stuff. And when we
started talking to fifth grade classes about it, it just
ignited about just that courage it takes to be an American,
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just to stand up for the right, what you feel
is right. And I hope we get more of that
in our education system, about more people realize those that
have gone before us, and we can still do that too.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
We can stand up.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Against curinous taxation, we can stand against bad policy, we
can stand up for those things that are not that
freedom loving country that it once was.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Fantastic, Well said, Well said, thank you and thank you
for leadership on this and we look forward to hearing
a lot more about it. So thank you, Representative. Welcome.
All right, when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah,
lots more to come, so you stay tuned today. This morning,
April nineteenth, seventeen seventy five, we faced off the colonists.
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Very few of them faced off against a much better
trained and much outnumbered Do you think that's because.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
The British were stacked up one behind the other, so
literally they only.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Kind of like on a chessboard or something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well kind of you know how they back then the
way they.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, they ye, they.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Would do volleys and the so and so you got
to wonder if there's maybe only four guys that you know,
our minute men were in the trees and in the bushes.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I would hope so, because you know, we don't know
who actually fired the first shot, and you know, you're
probably right it was probably some guy from a tree.
There was a turkey hunter maybe and he and he
was used to hiding, you know, and and yeah, and
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but you know, but but in Lexington on the British
that we we suffered a big defeat there. But we
routed them, so to speak. We routed the and I
keep saying the British, but it was the regulars because
they were all technical British. They all served under the
same king. But you know what's interesting is that battle,
(23:07):
the Battle of when you say Lexington and then Concord
right after, as the British monster conquered. That served as
a catalyst, if you will, because the British Empire had
so many protectant or protectorates or colonies so to speak,
around the world that were suffering the same oppression of
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being oppressed by the man, and that inspired people around
the world to have their own revolutions against the British
there too. So and it was that that they joined
the Continental Army, which basically sealed the fate, sealed the
colonist's fate so to speak, and not sealed the fate,
(23:51):
but basically said, oh now it's in us against them
kind of a thing. And George Washington was the first
general of the Continental Army, and then and then we
really did a US against them with a declaration of independence,
you know, a year and a half later. So, yeah,
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that is the shot hurt. So if you're wondering the
shot heard around the world. We aren't exactly sure who
fired that shot. So anyway, all right, Bill, I'm gonna
get to show. Well, let's go into shots. Really, let's
I'll go it, I'll throw I'll do this one. Okay shots, Okay,
So Easter's coming up.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, you might need some brass. You might need some lead.
Let's with Easter eggs and grass eggs. You can run
over to flash my brass. They're having a great Ammo
sale today the nineteenth. You can pick up two twenty
three Ammo PMC two hundred rounds, fifty five grain ninety
(24:54):
five bucks. How much ninety five bucks? Wow, nine mil
mag Tech twenty nine for one thousand rounds, four hundred
rounds of full metal jacket ninety nine bucks. They've got
shotguns twelve gage federal eight shot two hundred and fifty
rounds eighty nine bucks.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Twelve gage, twelve gage. That's pretty good you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That's exactly twenty two long rifle Winchester eleven hundred and
seventy five rounds. This is crazy. We were just talking
about this before the show. Twenty two long rifle Winchester
hundred eleven hundred seventy five round can eighty nine dollars?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
The hell you say? Eighty nine? Hey, hey, Google increased
volume to max exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
That is incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Everybody's volume on gun Radio Utah just went up. All
those that don't do ALEXA, sorry, my watch just and
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Speaker 3 (25:56):
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Go buy and tell them you heard us on heard
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Speaker 1 (26:13):
Okay. So if you if you've got the AMMO, but
your gun's not working, this is my segue. Yeah, easter eggs,
oh goodness sikes. If you got your you got your AMMO,
but your gun's not working, get it over to the
gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse can fix, modify, accentuate, bedazzle,
(26:36):
re configure your firearm. They're located at sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City. You can give
them a call at eight O one three zero four
eighty seventy and I'm just looking on their website. They
say they close at nine o'clock tonight. They're over there now.
If you can't make it over there, or you are
within the sound of our voice but you are not
(26:58):
close to Salt Lake City, you can take it into
any of the over one hundred and forty six Sportsman's
Warehouse locations. There's got to be one nearby you and
they will get it to the gunsmith for you. All right,
So Bill, we've got that. Oh, Davis County range I
heard from Paul who is the new I believe he's
the new range master there, you know, because watch that
(27:20):
shooter is kind of a thing. And Davis County and
Davis kint of Sheriff's anyway, apparently we're looking at but
it has not been yet confirmed May thirty first as
a grand opening. And if that's the case we're looking at,
I'm gonna throw it out to the Gun Radio UTAH
board that we do a live we do a live
broadcast from there.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That'd be fun, so a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So anyways, we'll have to bring that up with the
with the with the board on that one the continuum.
All right, So we've got that, Uh, what else what
have I forgot that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We're going to go into what if, how can I
use my firearm? And when self house?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
When? Yeah, what are the three.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Things we need to consider when using our own personal
protected firearm in a self defense scenario?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And you said, well, oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
so the question has come up, and I thought, gosh,
we'll be appropriate to bring it up here at the
at the very last forty five seconds of this. Well,
we'll carry it over. We'll carry it over.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
This will get you know what.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But yeah, so what we want to talk about in
this next last segment is what does it mean to
use your gun? First off? Right, and we're thinking in
self defense? What does it mean to use your gun?
And what does it take thought wise, intent wise? You know.
Now I want to point out I am not an attorney,
(28:53):
and I that is it I am. I am just
not an attorney. So take this advice, uh commensurate with
the amount of money you paid for it. But but
but there you go. So anyway, Uh, when we come back,
we'll talk about what does it mean to use your
(29:14):
gun in self defense? And and and what do you
have to think about? And uh, and yeah, so anyways,
when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, stay tuned.
They we actually met them, Amy and Kirk I'm not
telling your last name, and they're they're gonna get all
the fan down and all that kind of stuff. So
uh no, they bought a they bought a new gun
(29:35):
and uh and they stood out by the uh by
the Gun Radio Utah Jaguar uh and got pictures and
that so a big shout out to them. Wet him
Casey j Yeah, Casey Jane and I met him in
Ivans for that that deal we did. So anyway, uh Bill,
we were talking about we were talking about when can
(29:58):
you use your gun? Yeah, for self defense?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Self defense?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And have you ever heard that? Have you ever heard
that that saying, well, if you're gonna pull your gun,
you better use it.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, years ago they said it better be a last
ditch effort to you know, to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And so basically you wait, so you wait, you know,
somebody looking menacing and then they're getting closer and they're
making threats and they're getting closer and they're starting to run,
and you wait and you wait and you wait. Then
you pull it. Your gun in your shoot is that
basically what that means, Okay, can you pull your gun
out and not use it? What happens if you pull
(30:36):
your gun out and not use it?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And well, there's some studies, now, yeah, that suggests that
a lot of crime is deterred by doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, but the same I've seen studies that say, well,
let me, let me back up using your gun. What
does using your gun mean?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's a good that's a great question just in by itself.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Okay, using your gun doesn't always mean shooting your gun. Right.
In fact, I remember doctor John Lott, if you go
to crime research dot org, go to crime research. While
I'm on that crime research dot org, I'm gonna do
a little plug for them. Uh that's doctor John Watt's website. Uh,
throw them some money, Uh hit the hit the donate button.
(31:23):
They do some fin fantastic work. I can't tell you
how how many statistics that are footnoted and and uh
and researched and checked in that uh, that we have
used that that that everybody has used. Anyway, he says
that nine out of ten times or something along those lines,
(31:44):
the gun is used but not fired. So what that
means is the gun is either brandished, even though I
mean I use the word brandished because we all know
what brandishing is displade displayed, yes, exactly, could be still
in the whole in your hand, but not that does
not include pointing at a person, because pointing at a
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person is now ag assault under four or two of
the Utah Code. So we've got brandishing, we've got pointing,
and we've got shooting. Those are three ways that you
can use your gun in self defense. But now remember this, though, Bill,
if you use that gun in one of those three ways,
and the first two ways being probably the most effective,
(32:27):
or maybe maybe not the most the most utilized, to
get back home that those are still crimes and you're
gonna have to it's called an affirmative defense. And again
remember I'm not an attorney, So it's called an affirmative defense.
So you have to admit to the act, which is
a crime, and then articulate your necessity for having to
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do that. So brandishing essentially is I remember, the old
definition was basically display of a firearm with the intent
to intimidate in a in a non self defense situation,
in the presence or two or more people in an
angrier threatening manner, and you have to have all of
those for it to be a crime.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Now this, this is now, that's not taking the last
few years.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Slightly, ever so slightly. It's gotten better in that even
telling somebody, we we we clarified. Informing another person that
you have a gun is not a threatening manner like
I got a gat here, I got a piece that
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It's not necessarily done that now also, so in fact,
it says, if you want to look this up, seventy
six ten five oh six of the Utah Code, informing
another another person of your possession of a deadly weapon
in order to prevent what you believe is reasonable a
(33:58):
defense against unlawful four is not. It is not is
not a threatening manner. So it just informing the other person.
So anyway, it's also threatening manner does not include the
possession of a dangerous weapon, whether visible or concealed, without
additional behavior which is threatening. So with that, just the possession.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
So what if I have drawn my weapon, Okay, so
you mean taking it out of that I'm taking it
out of the holster, Okay, pulling it out of my
belly ban, I've done whatever. Yeah, but I'm pointing it
low ready.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So at the ground, so not at the person. The
person low ready, so we don't necessarily have an angle
of that. But essentially I'm going to say, if it's
forty five degrees or more, you're pointing it at the person.
Maybe this is not in statute or anything like that.
But Mitch Velos and I the attorney, Mitch Velos and
I had to talk about this. Basically, that's kind of
(34:54):
the dividing line. Forty five degrees. You could still be brandishing.
Now you point it there toes or anywhere between the
toes and the top of their head. Now you're now
you're looking at aggravated assault. So you went from a
misdemeanor to a felony. Now you got some splaining to do, Lucy,
a lot more splaining to do, and you're gonna have
(35:15):
to articulate why, what was so what was so more important?
What was so much more threatening than a reasonable person
would believe that you were likely Now neither of these
neither of these actions brandishing or pointing, which is like assault,
require that you have a state of mind of you're
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gonna die unless you do this, because think about it,
I mean, it can it's you're gonna have to have
some semblance, some be able to articulate that you were
in fear. But if you were in absolute fear for
your life, you're going to do more than brandish and
or point. You're going to shoot. But remember, brandishing and
(35:58):
pointing are not deadly for no one has ever died
from from having a gun brandished or pointed, other than
maybe heart attack, I guess. But but in the history
of guns and pointing and brandishing, no one has ever died.
So it's not deadly force, but it's the threat to
use deadly force. It's still a serious I mean, it's
(36:19):
forcible felony in pointing. So anyway, is that right? Are
you just giving me the peace sign? Okay? All right?
So what do we got here? I'm looking there? So anyway,
so that is that? Is that? So? So you could
probably dispel the the the bad we find nine out
of ten times we can, you know, make that situation
(36:43):
go nicer exactly, so to speak, by brandishing or pointing
that's using the gun. That's actually using the gun.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So yeah, I think it's good to bring this up
just to kind of remind ourselves. We sometimes don't know
where we're going to be at in certain places at
certain times, and if you're ever caught off guard, you
want to be able to understand that a lot better inside.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm glad you brought it up so well you brought
it up. Yeah, hey, go out shoot me, clean up
after yourself. We'll see you next week. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Happy Patriots Day for everyone.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Take care of Clark. See y
For you from my cold dead Han.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's time for Gun Radio Utah, No Apologies, a show
dedicated to preserving and protecting your constitutional right to bear
arms for your security and sport. Here's your host, well
known gun rights advocate and chairman of the Utah Shooting
Sports Council, Clark Opposion, and welcome to.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Gun Radio Utah. There are no apologies, and Bill Bill Patterson,
director of Utah Shooting Sports Council, sitting right across from me.
Happy Patriots Day, Bill.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Happy Patriots Day. Happy, And it is a happy That's
a two hundred.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And fifty years ago April nineteenth, seventeen seventy five.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Isn't that amazing? Two hundred and fifty. Yeah, to two
hundred and fifty doesn't seem that. I mean, it's a
long time, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, it doesn't it because you can connect. You can
connect somebody that was you know that you knew, that
was one hundred years old, would be one hundred years old,
you know now and then they would have known somebody
that was you know, So you can you can make
the connection. Still, it's not like three thousand years ago,
but we are going to be talking about the cities
(01:11):
of Lexington and Concord, and there's significance on today, significance
right up that day two hundred and fifty years ago,
as well as what does it mean today? And that
In fact, we're going to have we're going to have
Representative Walt Brooks on to give some exciting stuff because
you know, here we're thinking we had this great idea
(01:32):
and Representative Walt Brooks he beat us to it, beat
us to it. So can't wait to second segment. We're
going to have Representative Walt Brooks on talking about that
and I am going to give I'm going to give
a reading them a poem. Yep, Clark Aposen reads a poem. Oh,
story time, it's not a story, it's a poem. Time poem.
(01:53):
It's not my it's not my original poet. It's not
my poem.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You're going to do it with an accent or with
a cup of coffee in your hand.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You're like, like they're do an NPR or something or PBS. Yeah, exactly,
we're gonna do that. We're gonna talk about oh next week.
Oh so let me explain what's gonna go on next week.
So we've had a bunch of different stuff. I'm actually
going to be traveling to one of the original thirteen colonies, yeah,
(02:21):
the last one, Georgia, and to attend the NRA convention
this next week. So we're not going to be live.
We're gonna be but we have.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's gonna sound like we're live though.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well yeah we're yeah, but we have a special treat
for you. We're gonna have and so I want you
to google flux Rater. Flux like in flux Capacitor, but
flux Rater. We're gonna have the owner inventor had folks
on with them because your cousin, Cody Bill has a
connection to them. So anyway, yeah, anyway, so we got
(02:58):
them and they're a Utah company, so there, so we're
gonna have them on next week. So just even though
it won't be live, but that'll be cool and we
could pretend it's live. Oh we will. But if something happened,
This is the problem, folks that when we don't do
a live show, which we do ninety nine percent of
the time, something like that we do live. It's because
(03:18):
if something happens on a Friday or even Saturday morning,
we can talk about it. But what invariably happens, is
that we pre record on say a Tuesday or Wednesday,
and then something big the world collides into the moon
or something, and we don't talk about it because we
did a pre record anyway, So we're going to talk
(03:39):
about that bill if we have time. I've had I
think it's a sign we've had. I've had questions in
different classes I taught, including one from yesterday. Hey, when
is it okay to use this is their word, to
use my gun? You know, in self defense? That's a
(04:00):
huge question. So we're going to talk I want to
Well it's.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
A broad question too, I mean, what are you talking about?
When can I use my gun?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
What?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Changing the channels on the TV? Getting rid of the
cats in your backyard?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
There's a new cat that came in the backyard. I got. Yeah, No,
I'm not. We're not messing. We're not harming cats. We're not. No,
we're not. We're not doing that anyways.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But but something more in the legal sense of of
self defense with the.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Cat we're attacking you. Let's say, yeah, let's say the
cat was attacking you and you had nothing else to do.
You couldn't close the door.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Close the door, so stand my ground.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, Bill, what have you you? You got something speaking
about killing things?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yes, speaking of killing things. I'm going to be out
next week as well. I'm heading down south to go
on the turkey hunt, the spring turkey hunt.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Turkey turkey.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, So a couple of things that keep in mind, folks.
You'll be in thought and prayer, probably asking your significant
other what you can do, unless you're like me, I
just tell her what thatck. It's hunting season. So I
started putting in for my tags. I have until this Thursday.
(05:19):
Now I've put in my tags, and then I went
to lunch with my cousin and Friday yesterday, and now
I'm second guessing on some of the things.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Can you go back and readjust you can up until
the twenty third, yeah, or twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Twenty fourth yeah, I mean it's it's good to get
in through the twenty fourth or is that like it
ends literally at the you know what.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
The stroke of midnight on they used to.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Have they used to have the time on here, but
it says till April twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. I'm
gonna say, you better have your act together by ten pm.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Then the twenty third or twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Twenty third would be great, but the twenty fourth.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Should just figure on twenty third, just so you don't
they don't complain.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But I mean there's a lot of you there. I mean,
it always happens every year. Someone goes, oh crap on
Friday or Saturday when we bring it up saying hey,
do you get your application in? And then that one
of our listeners is going, oh, shoot, I just blew it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But because I'm listening on podcasts the week later.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Exactly, and so yeah, then we've got the spring Turkey
general season coming up on April twenty eighth, and that
that's a great time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
How long does that last work?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
That actually goes four weeks if I remember.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, so I know the turkeys are out because and
you went to County a turkey flew in front of
a car on Highway forty and smash the windshield and
the person is okay, but it looks like a turkey
hit the windshield. I mean it, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
A friend of mine had that happen to him, hit
his truck as he was driving. In fact, we make
fun of it because it was right at this time,
probably about ten years ago, and the steel or the
antenna whip. Yeah, a little ball at the end, so
called a static ball, embedded into the frame of his truck. Yeah,
(07:20):
right by the windshield. And yeah, so he's got a
nice reminder of that.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, Casey, Jane and I took the took the the
Rue sisters, Kanga and Chancy up to the property. And
I couldn't see the turkeys, but I could definitely hurt them.
Oh really, yeah, absolutely definitely.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's so dang fust.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I just started firing wildly. But and then Casey said stop,
you don't have your license for that yet, And I said,
all so anything.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, it's a great time. Everyone asked me why I
like turkey hunting, and it reminds me of elk hunting.
I mean, the animals are different, but I got I
got to set up I can set out a decoy.
I don't you actually do have some decoys for elk too,
But calling them in and getting those toms to respond
(08:07):
to you, it is the funnest thing in the world
to watch.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And they are the closest thing to a prehistoric creature,
aren't they essentially? I mean they're a bat or something
like that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
About that, I think, But no, it is a really
good time. If you get a chance to go out
and you know someone and they're willing to take you out,
go with them and you'll have an enjoyable time.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And what do you use? What? What gun do you use?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I use shotgun twelve million?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, okay, choked twelve gage. That's that's pretty good gauge. Yeah. Great,
speaks the heck out of the eleven gauge.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Huh the eleven gage, yeah, or the thirteen thirteen gage.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. All right. Hey, when we come back on Gun
Radio Utah, stay tuned because we're going to be talking
more about Patriots Day, this two hundred and fifty year
anniversary of us telling the British which way to go,
which was showing them the way I when we come
back on Gun d Utah, stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I was actually supposed to be down south in Coral
Pink sand Dunes this weekend, and I was looking at
the weather and the weather was scaring the heck out
of me because it was saying it was going to
be snowing down there. So I bailed out. And I'm
glad I stayed up here because it is just gorgeous
up here, and we're so glad to have you with
us on gun Radio.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Utah speaking of south southern South.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yes, we have Representative Walt Brooks on the line with us.
Representative welcome to gun Radio, Utah, and you got to
help us out a little bit. Clark and I were
looking up District seventy five. What is District seventy five
encompass down there.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
So it's Saint George City proper, basically between the two
bluffs what we call Green Valley, which is going towards
Snow Canyon a little bit, and then up Highway eighteen
which goes to Pine Valley and Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh and then do you touch, you touch Nevada, don't you?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
No, Well, actually do because I go up to the
top side. But I'm really where the population is. Neil
Walter is basically the western side of the county. I'm
kind of in the middle, and then we have Colon
Jack that's in Washington, and then Joe Edison is the
eastern side.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's kind of how it's really broken up. You get
some good representation down in the southern part of the state,
you know people. Yeah, speaking of.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That, Yeah, we were just you know, as we're preparing
for Patriot Day here today.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
We thought why not? Well, you pointed out Bill that
there's only four states.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, there's only four states that actually celebrate patriots.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Patriots Day and now not to be confused with Patriot Day,
which is the September eleventh remembrance and Bill you pointed
out it was New Hampshire and Massachusetts, which are pretty obvious,
but one of them was North Dakota. And I'm like,
why doesn't Utah have that? So I got on the
phone to the House Majority Whip and I said, Representative Lizzenby.
(10:57):
I says, how come we don't have this and let's
do that? And she says, you know what, Representative Brooks
is way ahead of you, Clark. So anyway, tell us
about tell us about this last session bill and why
it has to be run again, and tell us about
tell us about your bill. H hc R. Seven.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Sure, So it's exactly what you're talking about. It's recognizing
Patriots Day for what it is. It's a man it's
one of the most important days I think in American
history about how we got started, how average citizens to
stand up for what's right and do what they have
to do. And and I think it's I mean, we
recognized Veteran's Day and all Memorial Day and all these
other days that you know, people fought for our country,
(11:39):
and this was kind of the first one. Yeah, it
really was. So we we actually ran this the year before,
and the governor has authority to do it by himself,
so he made this kind of commencement that he was
going to start this, but it only ran for one year.
It was kind of a technical reality that they said
(12:01):
they ran it for April nineteenth for twenty twenty three,
and we're like, wait, we want this thing going the ongoing.
So that's why we ran the bill last year to
make sure that every year April nineteenth. Because you know,
my wife's teaches elementary school. She's actually teaches first grade,
but the fifth graders this is kind of it's their thing,
(12:21):
you know. They give me liberty the learning about the
American history. And we had a couple of classes the
teacher got on but by the time we had our
committee meetings, class was over, so the kids all you know,
got on the bus went home. But they were excited
to be there, to want to testify, to be able
to share their feelings about how it recognizes this day
(12:42):
gave them more impact on what our history really was
founded on regular peoples.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's so important. It's so important because I mean, if
we look back, and if I may just go back
in time to two hundred and fifty years ago, we
were all British subjects essentially not and I say it
is subjects to the king, not citizens like we think
of today, but subjects. And in among the various colonies
(13:09):
the thirteen colonies, from Georgia down on the south which
was the last colony, to Virginia, which well even north
of Virginia, but Virginia being the first colony of the thirteen.
And these were seemingly disparate colonies. They were banded or
they were a collection of either started by business enterprises
(13:30):
with a with a charter from the king or the
king just you know, a royal colony like Georgia was
just started and they had a lot of tobacco plantations
there or religious religious persecution. But it wasn't just British people.
It was Irish, it was Scotch, it was even some
German and French. But they they all joined together eventually
(13:56):
because they were subjects of the king and they'd been through.
They'd been through the Stamp Act, the Intolerables Act, all
these these oppressive type things that the King, that the Crown,
the British Empire was imposing on this and this was
a big undertaking, was it. I mean, at that time,
(14:16):
I think two hundred out of two hundred countries, there
was only twenty two that the British hadn't ruled, hadn't
conquered or whatever at the time. So among those things,
you know, the the Boston Tea Party, the tax these
kind of things. To give you a little bit, to
give us a little bit of history and remind the
(14:39):
listeners it was about guns. It was about ammunition. That's
why we're talking about it on Gun Radio Utah. It's
about guns and ammunition. I mean, you can mess with
the tea, you can mess with the wood, you can
mess with the tobacco, but you start messing with guns
and ammo. Oh no, that's where seventy I think it
was seventy seven colonists. And these were essentially just church
(15:00):
members that got woken up early in the morning by
Paul Revere and his buddies and saying that. And you know,
an interesting tidbit he didn't yell. First, he didn't yell anything,
and he didn't say the British are coming. He said
the Regulars are coming, because they were all British at
the time, and that's an important note. They were all British.
(15:22):
The people that were taking their guns and ammo were
British just like they were fellow you know, essentially fellow
countrymen anyway, And he didn't yell it because there was
a lot of spies in the colonies that would report
right back to the crown or to the governor or
something like that. And Samuel Prescott and Paul Revere and
(15:46):
others kind of quietly went around. When they found out
that the British Regulars eight hundred strong were coming through
a they you know, took boats across and went into Lexington.
And from Lexington, we're going to march to Concord where
the guns and ammo and the cannons and the cannon
(16:08):
balls and the gunpowder were. And they got stopped in
Lexington on the Green and faced off and the British
regular said, hey, you guys, get out of here. Move
They stood their ground, seventy seven of them against eight hundred,
and yeah, they they were killed. Many of them were killed.
(16:30):
Of the seventy seven were killed there. But they followed him,
followed him all the way to Concord and stopped him
on that North Bridge and sent them packing, and literally
sent them packing all because they were going to take
the guns in the AMMO. And that was.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So here's a here's a piece of irony. Yeah, oh, okay, irony, irony, okay.
And maybe Represent Brooks knows this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I bet he does.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Look at the thirteen colonies.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, up along, up and down the East East coast, up.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
All the way down to Georgia, and which states have
the strictest gun regulations today?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh, how that is ironic?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, fought Massachusetts, I mean all of them. Yeah, And
you know, I don't think we would survive it today,
but I think the British is much more smarter today.
So Representative, as I was looking at this bill, because
we're chatting away earlier there, we would like to add
one thing to this, with your permission, of course, because
(17:37):
you're the sponsor. We would like to see Patriots Day
as a tax free day for guns and ammunition in Utah.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Fantastic. Well, you know, Representative McPherson, you have to say McPherson,
because he's Scottish Representave McPherson ran a bill, but it
didn't it didn't make it through. I think it got
stopped in the Senate, like all the good ideas do. Anyway,
I went there, I did. I went there. I'm sorry,
(18:09):
but but yeah, I agree with you, Belle. I mean
you're gonna have to get into talks with the Representative
Brooks here now and see if we can kind of
squeeze that into there.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Something, give it some thought, give it some prayer.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So anyway, Representative, I wonder if you would indulge us
for a moment as I read the text of the
poem called The Conquered Him by Ralph Waldo Emerson and
which which was it was actually written in eighteen thirty
seven on the commemoration in Massachusetts for Patriots Day, And
(18:47):
if you can can we can we hold John for
that one. Let's see what time we've got. We've got
I think we've got just enough time to do this. Okay,
So here it is The The Conquered Him, and this
talks about if you can envision that fight on the
North Bridge stopping the British from coming into town to
(19:08):
get the to get that guns ammunition by the rude
bridge that arched the flood. Their flag to April's breeze unfurled.
Here once the embattled farmers stood and fired the shot
heard round the world. The foe long since in silence,
slept alike the conqueror, silent sleeps and time the ruined
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bridge has swept down the dark stream which seaward creeps
on this green bank. By this soft stream, we set
today a vote of stone, that memory may their deed redeem. When,
like our sires, our sons are gone. Spirit that made
those heroes dare to die and leave their children free
(19:52):
bid time and nature gently spare the shaft we raised
to them and the So you can find that in
the complete works of Ralph Waldo Emerson. And so it
is important. I'm so glad that you pointed out that
this is one of the most important significant dates in
(20:12):
history that we don't have necessarily commemorated across this nation.
So thank you, Representative Book Brooks for h it's hc
R seven right correct, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And if you don't mind, I just the reason it
really struck me is when my son, he's kind of
a history buff and he graduated high school. We went
on a trip and he wanted to go to see
a Patriots game, you know, in Massachusetts. So we went
back there and we went and checked all these sights
out and in Concord Lexington, he was like re enacting
the war. He's like, Dad, I hearing it behind this
wall and they were shooting stuff. And so when the
(20:50):
Sons of Revolutionary War, we have a chapter in Saint George,
there's a chapter in Salt Lake. Brought this idea to me. Dude,
is struck a chord. I mean, kids need to know
this stuff. I didn't know it, like my son knew
it because he just loves that stuff. And when we
started talking to fifth grade classes about it, it just
ignited about just that courage it takes to be an American,
(21:11):
just to stand up for the right, what you feel
is right. And I hope we get more of that
in our education system, about more people realize those that
have gone before us, and we can still do that too.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
We can stand up.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Against curinous taxation, we can stand against bad policy, we
can stand up for those things that are not that
freedom loving country that it once was.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Fantastic, Well said, Well said, thank you and thank you
for leadership on this and we look forward to hearing
a lot more about it. So thank you, Representative. Welcome.
All right, when we come back on Gun Radio, Utah,
lots more to come, so you stay tuned today. This morning,
April nineteenth, seventeen seventy five, we faced off the colonists.
(21:55):
Very few of them faced off against a much better
trained and much outnumbered Do you think that's because.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
The British were stacked up one behind the other, so
literally they only.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Kind of like on a chessboard or something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well kind of you know how they back then the
way they.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, they ye, they.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Would do volleys and the so and so you got
to wonder if there's maybe only four guys that you know,
our minute men were in the trees and in the bushes.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I would hope so, because you know, we don't know
who actually fired the first shot, and you know, you're
probably right it was probably some guy from a tree.
There was a turkey hunter maybe and he and he
was used to hiding, you know, and and yeah, and
(22:46):
but you know, but but in Lexington on the British
that we we suffered a big defeat there. But we
routed them, so to speak. We routed the and I
keep saying the British, but it was the regulars because
they were all technical British. They all served under the
same king. But you know what's interesting is that battle,
(23:07):
the Battle of when you say Lexington and then Concord
right after, as the British monster conquered. That served as
a catalyst, if you will, because the British Empire had
so many protectant or protectorates or colonies so to speak,
around the world that were suffering the same oppression of
(23:31):
being oppressed by the man, and that inspired people around
the world to have their own revolutions against the British
there too. So and it was that that they joined
the Continental Army, which basically sealed the fate, sealed the
colonist's fate so to speak, and not sealed the fate,
(23:51):
but basically said, oh now it's in us against them
kind of a thing. And George Washington was the first
general of the Continental Army, and then and then we
really did a US against them with a declaration of independence,
you know, a year and a half later. So, yeah,
(24:13):
that is the shot hurt. So if you're wondering the
shot heard around the world. We aren't exactly sure who
fired that shot. So anyway, all right, Bill, I'm gonna
get to show. Well, let's go into shots. Really, let's
I'll go it, I'll throw I'll do this one. Okay shots, Okay,
So Easter's coming up.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, you might need some brass. You might need some lead.
Let's with Easter eggs and grass eggs. You can run
over to flash my brass. They're having a great Ammo
sale today the nineteenth. You can pick up two twenty
three Ammo PMC two hundred rounds, fifty five grain ninety
(24:54):
five bucks. How much ninety five bucks? Wow, nine mil
mag Tech twenty nine for one thousand rounds, four hundred
rounds of full metal jacket ninety nine bucks. They've got
shotguns twelve gage federal eight shot two hundred and fifty
rounds eighty nine bucks.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Twelve gage, twelve gage. That's pretty good you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That's exactly twenty two long rifle Winchester eleven hundred and
seventy five rounds. This is crazy. We were just talking
about this before the show. Twenty two long rifle Winchester
hundred eleven hundred seventy five round can eighty nine dollars?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
The hell you say? Eighty nine? Hey, hey, Google increased
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Speaker 3 (25:47):
That is incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Everybody's volume on gun Radio Utah just went up. All
those that don't do ALEXA, sorry, my watch just and
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Go buy and tell them you heard us on heard
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Speaker 1 (26:13):
Okay. So if you if you've got the AMMO, but
your gun's not working, this is my segue. Yeah, easter eggs,
oh goodness sikes. If you got your you got your AMMO,
but your gun's not working, get it over to the
gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse. The gunsmith at Sportsman's Warehouse can fix, modify, accentuate, bedazzle,
(26:36):
re configure your firearm. They're located at sixteen thirty South
fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City. You can give
them a call at eight O one three zero four
eighty seventy and I'm just looking on their website. They
say they close at nine o'clock tonight. They're over there now.
If you can't make it over there, or you are
within the sound of our voice but you are not
(26:58):
close to Salt Lake City, you can take it into
any of the over one hundred and forty six Sportsman's
Warehouse locations. There's got to be one nearby you and
they will get it to the gunsmith for you. All right,
So Bill, we've got that. Oh, Davis County range I
heard from Paul who is the new I believe he's
the new range master there, you know, because watch that
(27:20):
shooter is kind of a thing. And Davis County and
Davis kint of Sheriff's anyway, apparently we're looking at but
it has not been yet confirmed May thirty first as
a grand opening. And if that's the case we're looking at,
I'm gonna throw it out to the Gun Radio UTAH
board that we do a live we do a live
broadcast from there.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That'd be fun, so a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So anyways, we'll have to bring that up with the
with the with the board on that one the continuum.
All right, So we've got that, Uh, what else what
have I forgot that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We're going to go into what if, how can I
use my firearm? And when self house?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
When? Yeah, what are the three.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Things we need to consider when using our own personal
protected firearm in a self defense scenario?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And you said, well, oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
so the question has come up, and I thought, gosh,
we'll be appropriate to bring it up here at the
at the very last forty five seconds of this. Well,
we'll carry it over. We'll carry it over.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
This will get you know what.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But yeah, so what we want to talk about in
this next last segment is what does it mean to
use your gun? First off? Right, and we're thinking in
self defense? What does it mean to use your gun?
And what does it take thought wise, intent wise? You know.
Now I want to point out I am not an attorney,
(28:53):
and I that is it I am. I am just
not an attorney. So take this advice, uh commensurate with
the amount of money you paid for it. But but
but there you go. So anyway, Uh, when we come back,
we'll talk about what does it mean to use your
(29:14):
gun in self defense? And and and what do you
have to think about? And uh, and yeah, so anyways,
when we come back on Gun Radio Utah, stay tuned.
They we actually met them, Amy and Kirk I'm not
telling your last name, and they're they're gonna get all
the fan down and all that kind of stuff. So
uh no, they bought a they bought a new gun
(29:35):
and uh and they stood out by the uh by
the Gun Radio Utah Jaguar uh and got pictures and
that so a big shout out to them. Wet him
Casey j Yeah, Casey Jane and I met him in
Ivans for that that deal we did. So anyway, uh Bill,
we were talking about we were talking about when can
(29:58):
you use your gun? Yeah, for self defense?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Self defense?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And have you ever heard that? Have you ever heard
that that saying, well, if you're gonna pull your gun,
you better use it.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, years ago they said it better be a last
ditch effort to you know, to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And so basically you wait, so you wait, you know,
somebody looking menacing and then they're getting closer and they're
making threats and they're getting closer and they're starting to run,
and you wait and you wait and you wait. Then
you pull it. Your gun in your shoot is that
basically what that means, Okay, can you pull your gun
out and not use it? What happens if you pull
(30:36):
your gun out and not use it?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And well, there's some studies, now, yeah, that suggests that
a lot of crime is deterred by doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, but the same I've seen studies that say, well,
let me, let me back up using your gun. What
does using your gun mean?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's a good that's a great question just in by itself.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Okay, using your gun doesn't always mean shooting your gun. Right.
In fact, I remember doctor John Lott, if you go
to crime research dot org, go to crime research. While
I'm on that crime research dot org, I'm gonna do
a little plug for them. Uh that's doctor John Watt's website. Uh,
throw them some money, Uh hit the hit the donate button.
(31:23):
They do some fin fantastic work. I can't tell you
how how many statistics that are footnoted and and uh
and researched and checked in that uh, that we have
used that that that everybody has used. Anyway, he says
that nine out of ten times or something along those lines,
(31:44):
the gun is used but not fired. So what that
means is the gun is either brandished, even though I
mean I use the word brandished because we all know
what brandishing is displade displayed, yes, exactly, could be still
in the whole in your hand, but not that does
not include pointing at a person, because pointing at a
(32:05):
person is now ag assault under four or two of
the Utah Code. So we've got brandishing, we've got pointing,
and we've got shooting. Those are three ways that you
can use your gun in self defense. But now remember this, though, Bill,
if you use that gun in one of those three ways,
and the first two ways being probably the most effective,
(32:27):
or maybe maybe not the most the most utilized, to
get back home that those are still crimes and you're
gonna have to it's called an affirmative defense. And again
remember I'm not an attorney, So it's called an affirmative defense.
So you have to admit to the act, which is
a crime, and then articulate your necessity for having to
(32:50):
do that. So brandishing essentially is I remember, the old
definition was basically display of a firearm with the intent
to intimidate in a in a non self defense situation,
in the presence or two or more people in an
angrier threatening manner, and you have to have all of
those for it to be a crime.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Now this, this is now, that's not taking the last
few years.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Slightly, ever so slightly. It's gotten better in that even
telling somebody, we we we clarified. Informing another person that
you have a gun is not a threatening manner like
I got a gat here, I got a piece that
(33:34):
It's not necessarily done that now also, so in fact,
it says, if you want to look this up, seventy
six ten five oh six of the Utah Code, informing
another another person of your possession of a deadly weapon
in order to prevent what you believe is reasonable a
(33:58):
defense against unlawful four is not. It is not is
not a threatening manner. So it just informing the other person.
So anyway, it's also threatening manner does not include the
possession of a dangerous weapon, whether visible or concealed, without
additional behavior which is threatening. So with that, just the possession.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
So what if I have drawn my weapon, Okay, so
you mean taking it out of that I'm taking it
out of the holster, Okay, pulling it out of my
belly ban, I've done whatever. Yeah, but I'm pointing it
low ready.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So at the ground, so not at the person. The
person low ready, so we don't necessarily have an angle
of that. But essentially I'm going to say, if it's
forty five degrees or more, you're pointing it at the person.
Maybe this is not in statute or anything like that.
But Mitch Velos and I the attorney, Mitch Velos and
I had to talk about this. Basically, that's kind of
(34:54):
the dividing line. Forty five degrees. You could still be brandishing.
Now you point it there toes or anywhere between the
toes and the top of their head. Now you're now
you're looking at aggravated assault. So you went from a
misdemeanor to a felony. Now you got some splaining to do, Lucy,
a lot more splaining to do, and you're gonna have
(35:15):
to articulate why, what was so what was so more important?
What was so much more threatening than a reasonable person
would believe that you were likely Now neither of these
neither of these actions brandishing or pointing, which is like assault,
require that you have a state of mind of you're
(35:38):
gonna die unless you do this, because think about it,
I mean, it can it's you're gonna have to have
some semblance, some be able to articulate that you were
in fear. But if you were in absolute fear for
your life, you're going to do more than brandish and
or point. You're going to shoot. But remember, brandishing and
(35:58):
pointing are not deadly for no one has ever died
from from having a gun brandished or pointed, other than
maybe heart attack, I guess. But but in the history
of guns and pointing and brandishing, no one has ever died.
So it's not deadly force, but it's the threat to
use deadly force. It's still a serious I mean, it's
(36:19):
forcible felony in pointing. So anyway, is that right? Are
you just giving me the peace sign? Okay? All right?
So what do we got here? I'm looking there? So anyway,
so that is that? Is that? So? So you could
probably dispel the the the bad we find nine out
of ten times we can, you know, make that situation
(36:43):
go nicer exactly, so to speak, by brandishing or pointing
that's using the gun. That's actually using the gun.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So yeah, I think it's good to bring this up
just to kind of remind ourselves. We sometimes don't know
where we're going to be at in certain places at
certain times, and if you're ever caught off guard, you
want to be able to understand that a lot better inside.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm glad you brought it up so well you brought
it up. Yeah, hey, go out shoot me, clean up
after yourself. We'll see you next week. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Happy Patriots Day for everyone.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Take care of Clark. See y
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