Gun Radio Utah: Rare Guns; Disassembling Guns

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And keeping in line with that, I introduce you to
reintroduce you to Bill Petterson, director of Your Shooting Sports.
No apology for that, There are no apologies anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
We've got a great show for you.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
So if something happens on Wednesday after about noon to
Saturday morning and we don't talk about it, it's.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Not our fault because this is a pre record. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
So anyway, Ghost Diy Manor and the Sandy Hole is
where we're broadcasting from through technology across the internets of
the world.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, Ghost Time Manor and the Sandy the Sandy Hole.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Might call it the Sandy Hole right now because I'm
in my basement so in the office.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Very well, it's a very well if you could see this,
if you can see this guy's basement, Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's not like your you know, your serial killer kind
of base. Well other but very very well.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Or you've got your Salt Lake City palette wood wall
back there with your guns and you know, it's very
nice and as opposed to my studio, which is which
is less adorned.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Anyway, what we're going to talk about is.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
We Utah Shooting Sports Council has further revealed some problems
with the Utah State I'll just say Utah State government,
not the not the legislative part, but an ancillary part
of that, Uh, the University of Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Anyway, Uh, we're going to talk about some.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Some violations that they they shouldn't well, they should know better.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
And I don't know how many times I think it
needs to go to a lawsuit now. I mean we've talked.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
About but they just anyway, we'll talk. We'll talk about that, Hey,
how do you sell a gun? Gotta I got a
text message? I get text message all the time. Hey,
where's the best place to sell a gun? How do
I do that? What you know what? What's a good
how do you know what? What's a fair price? And
that type of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
And so we'll delve into that and kind of not
necessarily along those lines. But what if you buy a
gun and he doesn't come with a manual and you
don't know how to take the thing apart, and you've
got a screwdriver and you.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Say I can take anything apart, I've got a screwed Anyway,
we're going to talk a little bit about that. Definitely
going to talk about the NFA.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
There's two lawsuits out there I call them lawsuits, but
they're legal action in courts and this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Brown v. ATF and Silencer Shop v.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
A t F in different parts of the country, different
district courts, circuit courts, whatever, and why. And I want
to I want to give you a gun radio UTAHS
insight on these NFA.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, so there we go, all right, So Bill.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Hey, uh and Bill, we were going to talk about
we have some time. You know, there's a lot of
fires out there right now, and think about it. They
aren't being blamed on shooters right now.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I know now. I'm yeah, I'm really concerned about the
one they just had up American Fort Canyon up by
Granite Flats because I was riding my motorbike up there
Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
That there tible for that shoot out there a while
you know a number of years ago, right.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, No, that was down further south. But uh but yeah,
I was up in there and they said, yeah, don't
report the wildfire. We were aware of it, blah blah
blah blah blah. I didn't see it. And then all
of a sudden come you know, over the weekend Sunday
and yesterday, it really it really did it sounds like
I got it under control. But yeah, it's nice to

(03:36):
hear that they're not blaming shooters for these recent fires.
I don't know what's causing them, but I've heard.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I've heard there's there's lots of different reasons. One lightning
to the railroads.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, they a lot of fire they do.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I remember as a kid in Clearfield, Oh my gosh,
always had fires in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
From the rail from the from the railroad. Yeah, and
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Okay, so so we'll get the fires in the summer.
Are there going to be problems with hunting in the
fall in those areas?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Is there any difference? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah. In fact, I saw an Instagram post that the
someone shared about with DWR and the elk and the
deer that they have tagged and they monitor and where
they're migrating to on Monroe Mountain, and it was very
interesting how they're finding these pockets that aren't being burned

(04:39):
and all these animals are congregating in that general area.
But yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
A real time. Do they have some kind of electronic track.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, yeah, satellite satellite type tracking and uh, the interesting
well I heard this as a rumor. I don't know
the facts on this. We probably ought to get the
folks from the fishing game on But I heard that
if you drew out a limited entry elk tag, you
could turn it in, get your get your point, and

(05:12):
and then get your tag for next year. I can
hear that, yeah, but I don't know if that's a
good thing or not, because are they counting. Let's say
everyone turns their tags in, then you've got everyone from
next year that turns their tags in, and you're talking
about an area that's been affected for grazing. I mean,

(05:34):
the food's gone, and so how are these animals going
to survive if there's no food in the winter. So
it's I don't know if it's a when when. I
would love to get more insight on that. But Monroe Mountain,
I got a friend of mine that's his nephew is
on the mountain and fighting the fires, and he sent

(05:59):
us some pictures of some bowl out down there. Oh
my gosh. I'm like, oh, monsters, it's a really beautiful area.
I'm going to be heading down there on Monday for
some work, but I'm gonna go check it out and
see what I can see on the fire. But beautiful mountain.
Hate to see it happen, but yeah, it does. Bottom question.

(06:20):
The bottom line is yes, it does affect the big
game in those areas.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
So what if we were to find out, I assume
these electronic trackers use like a lithium battery. What if
we were to find out that lithium battery actually shorted
and started a fire.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm scratching anyway, just throwing it out there. What if
we found that out? What if we did? What if
we found that out? So hey, I want to delve
into this one.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
So I happen to be peru at that I don't know,
it was on a forum or something like that, and
you know, we we pretty much figured out the whole
University of Utah thing.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Even though I did get a call, I did get.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
A call that there was a I want to say,
even a baseball something, some kind of an event at
rice Ecles. Supposedly this this entity had leased out the
entire rice Ecles or whatever and then said that could
they could ban guns? And so I disagreed with it,

(07:20):
and so anyways, we're going to have to look into that.
But while I was looking into that, I happened to
review red Butte Gardens or Red Button Gardens, whatever you
want to you want to say, I think it's Butte though. Anyway,
somebody years ago had had a question about can I
bring a fire into Red Butte Gardens, and you know,

(07:43):
can I carry my my otherwise lawfully possessed fire, And
of course my answer was yes. When somebody came back
and said, oh, on their website it says no weapons.
And so this was years ago. So I happened to
look around and it took me. It took me quite
a bit of digging on the Red Butte Gardens website
and I finally found it way down the list no

(08:05):
weapons allowed.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I'm like, oh god, I thought we had figured
this out.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
So I obviously made a phone call to the director,
was put on hold and then got the voicemail.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So I have not and this has been this has
been a few days ago.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Uh So if they haven't gotten a call back, I
will obviously follow up, maybe take a drive up to
Red Butte Gardens and have a chat.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
But this is this is just one.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Of the myriad of things Utah Shooting Sports Council does
in the off season.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
When we call it not the legislative session.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
But we do this constantly, and yeah, we have we
have we have a lot of back us up and
we have a lot of great legislators to to bring
the power, to bring the strength the backup when we
need it.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
So anyway, yeah, so Redbud Gardens said no weapons. So
what would you do if you go up.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
There, you park your car, you're carrying your firearm like
you you know, you put your pants on, you put
your gun on kind of a thing, and you get
up there and they say, oh, no, you can't have
one now right now, since it's associated with the University
of Utah, it might be considered that I'm gonna have

(09:22):
to look at the statute a little bit more carefully
as part of the U And that would mean right now,
you need a concealed carry permit from any state to
carry at the U. I believe t any state. Yeah,
so but I'll have to double check that. I think
it might just be Utah permit. Anyway, what would you

(09:44):
do if you get up there and they told you that,
you know, the average well, I'm not going to say
they have the listener to gun Radio Utah would say.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh hell no, yeah, the hell you say, But.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
You know what, what are you going to do? So, uh,
that's that's what we try to do. What we try
to do is fix these things before it happens to you.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
What do you think, Bill, I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
It just happens to be. The ones that we hear
the most noise from is the University of Utah.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And then they come back and they say, oh, that
was a mistake.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, I'm misunderstanding, blah blah blah. No, we're I'm tired
of that excuse. Someone's got one job to disseminate information.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
So two A whack them all? Yeah, two a violation,
whack them all? You put one dish? And why didn't
And so I guess my question. In fact, Representative former
Representative Gurdoda said, they should have sent out the University
of Utah should have sent out when we got this
all figured out, should have sent out a notice to
all of their underlings, so to speak, the the the

(10:55):
smaller entities like Redbud Garden, like the Natural Hoastory Museum,
that kind of stuff. Even though, by the way, I
looked at the Natural History Museum, which is on the
University of Utah campus right there and President's Drive as
a matter of fact, and nothing not one. They had
a whole page of photographic restrictions, but nothing on firearms.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
And I was happy to see that anyway.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
So yeah, so when we come back, I want to
we want to get into the NFA stuff. We're going
to get into its Actually, how do you clean guns?
And where do you go to to clean guns?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
And that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Uh, when we come back on Gun Radio Utah.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
So you stay right there.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
And welcome back to Gun Radio, Utah. So glad to
have you with us on this lovely Saturday afternoon and
taking some time out of your schedule listen about all
the important things about guns, gun rights and how you
can be a better at picking a gun, owning a gun,
shooting a gun. Yeah, we'll throw all that in there. Clark. Hey,

(11:53):
if you want to get more information, drop by Utah
Shooting Sportscouncil dot org. Make sure you get signed up
for an email all alerts. It's not gonna be along.
We're halfway through the year now, Clark, and legislation is
going to be coming up, is going to come faster,
and we are. Yeah, we've already got bills and cleaning
up stuff and that. But this is a great way

(12:13):
to just stay involved and stay up to date on
gun rights and gun policies here in Utah. Hey, we
were talking. One of the items we wanted to cover
is and I've had to go through this pretty extensively
here the last couple of years. And I'm I'm proud

(12:35):
to say, Clark, I'm really proud to say I'm down
to about four or five guns left. But I had
a good friend. Yeah I'm selling guns. Yeah, And you know,
for those that don't know, I had a really good friend.
He was awesome, but when it came to guns, when
it came to guns, he went a little overboard. If

(12:55):
he found a gun that he liked, he'd take it out,
shoot it, and if he really liked it, go buy
he go back and buy two more and just didn't
do anything with him. So he did buy the guns.
I'm really nice, cazs Now. The czs went really fast.
But we've got a handful. But the question always comes up,
and as a listener, you probably have had this from

(13:18):
a family member maybe uh uh, your maybe your parents,
your father, or an uncle or something like that. They
come across the gun and they need to know how
how can I sell this gun? I want to sell
this gun? And what's the best way do I? You know,
do the online approach? Do I go to a sporting goods?
Do I go to a gun shop? Do I do

(13:39):
a private shop or a Yeah, pawn shops very uh,
very common.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
For it's worth? How do you know how much it's worth? Yeah?
And so may I may I jump in on that.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I want you to jump in because I've got questions
for you on the pricing because everyone's everyone's idea of
what a good price is is different. This is one
thing I've ran into on selling my friend's guns. The
gun industry now generates more guns now, new models, new

(14:17):
fangle bit angles, whatever you want to call them. But
they come out with new guns more consistently today than
they ever did when I was a kid buying guns.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
And what that means is, honestly, your used gun isn't
worth as much.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
As it used to be. Yeah, because they're not that
rare now.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
If you do have a rare collector type firearm, which
is completely different, then it's thought of more as a
collector than as a firearm itself. But your your average firearm.
Is the value is in what kind of shape is
it in? Is it still a shooter? Is it that
kind of thing? And how do you find the price
on these things? You know, for me consistently, what we're

(15:00):
talking about is market prices, the market value of it.
What's it worth to somebody else, the end user, so
to speak, as opposed to like the wholesale price or
you know, a you know, if you're going to sell
it to somebody that's going to then sell it to
someone else, you got to drop a huge chunk off
of there. I remember when I was I wasn't necessarily

(15:22):
in the business, but I worked at a gun store
many many years ago, and the old guy there said,
he says, here's the formula that we use. Somebody brings
in a standard gun, a gun that we sell or
that's still in production, and we sell it. We take
half the retail price. If they have the box, they

(15:45):
have the manual, the all that kind of stuff, and
it's in good condition, and it's got to be in
good condition, we start at half the retail price. That
that's what we would give the individual if they want
to sell the gun. And then we moved down from there.
If it doesn't have the box, the manual, if it's
got a scratch on it, if it's got you know,
some some you know issue like that, we may bump

(16:08):
it up a little bit. If it's got a scope
with it, or if it's got like a red dot,
or if it's got you know, a ton of extra magazines,
or you're selling a bunch of hammo with it, that
can be negotiated. But then so I remember, you know,
glocks used to be like five hundred bucks or something
at the time, and so we'd offer them two fifty.
If everything was perfect, then we would put it in
the shelf for one hundred bucks more for three point fifty.

(16:30):
So we were actually making more money on a used
gun than we would on a brand new gun. On
a new gun, you might make forty bucks on every
five hundred, you know, something like that.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So now where to sell them? Though?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
So I just had I had a friend of mine
just text me just a little bit ago and said, Hey,
where's the best place. Where's a fair place to sell guns?
And when we're talking fair, it's going to be their policy.
They're not going to just any decent gun store is
going to know what the value of the gun is
and what they will give you for it, and that's

(17:06):
going to be consistent.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Whether that is fair or not, that is up to you.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I like to go to gun broker and you go
to gunbroker dot com and they just have this myriad
of used guns, some new guns as well.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
But don't just go to the what are.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
They asking for because it's kind of like it's an auction,
but go to the completed so you have to sign in,
you have to create an account and go to the
completed auctions and find out what they actually did sell
that gun for actually, and that will give you your
market price essentially.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, one thing people need to remember when you sell
a used gun to a pawnshop or to a gun shop.
I mean they're taking on that liability, they're taking on
that ownership with that firearm. They don't know how long
it's going to take them to sell it as well.
It might be a great gun, but like I said,
all these new guns that are coming out, everyone's all

(18:02):
excited about those, So there's some risk that the shop
has to take when they sell a gun. But I
like your approach. You can also go to Utah Gun
Exchange and see what guns are selling for there. You know,
I used gun broker quite a bit, Clark, and that's
how I was able to base a lot of the
prices that we were going to sell these firearms for

(18:24):
my friends.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
So and do you do a bill of sale?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Unfortunately on the on the on their guns, No, I
wasn't able to because they weren't my guns. So I
required them to have a concealed carry permit. I went
on BCI's website, I validated the concealed carry permit and
once I had that, I let them go. So but yeah,

(18:50):
we've got a lot more to cover, and hopefully that
was helpful. But stay tuned. We weren't tuk some NFA stuff,
gun cleaning stuff as well. When we come back on
Gun Radio Utah. Stay tuned ethereally. Maybe I don't know
if that's the right word.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Bill Petterson, Director Utah Shooting Sports Council, that we're going
to talk about NFA National Firearms Act been around since
the thirties, and is the NFA a gun control measure?
Is it a gun control law that had been postulated
to the Supreme Court. I think even in Miller v

(19:26):
Us way back in the thirties, and there.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
When you say a gun control law, expand on that
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I mean you've got got short your short barreled rifles, shotguns, aow's,
which is kind of like a shotgun, only it's different.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's a it's a it's a it's shorter in some respects.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
So is it a gun control organization across all firearms
or only selective firearms?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Only select ones, only certain ones so that have different
features and that type of thing. And then suppressors, destructive
devices guns. They all fall under NFA type things. And
the only one of those that actually has a date
that you can't have new ones is machine guns. So
anything after May of eighty six that wasn't registered with

(20:14):
the AT or with the fence prior to May of
eighty six, you can't have any new machine guns. You
can take the integral part that makes it a machine
gun many times and put it into a newer gun,
but that part has to be nineteen eighty six or
before and had to have been registered as such before that.

(20:34):
But everything else you can have new suppressors, new short
borld rifles, shotguns. Aow's destructive device is that type of thing,
But so it went before the Supreme Court at least
a couple times, and they the it was plaintiffs or defenders. Anyway,
they were able to show where the Supreme Court held.

(20:56):
This is not a gun control thing, so it doesn't
fall under the Second Amendment. It's a tax thing. This
is about collecting taxes because one of the things, one
of the main things with the NFA firearms is when
you essentially register it, you're getting a tax stamp.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
That's the whole thing about this. It's a tax stamp.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
So bill come in the big beautiful bill, the big
beautiful bill included with that. We wanted a lot of
stuff with that big beautiful bill with regarding the NFA.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
We wanted to basically say no more NFA.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
You want to buy a short breled rifle, you go
into the store, you pay your money, and you buy
a short breil rifle or whatever like that. But all
that we got was the removal of the two hundred
dollars tax stamp. Everything else stays the same, all the
form ones, the form fours, all the paperwork, the photographs,
the fingerprints, the you know, the responsible person, that kind

(21:54):
of stuff, and the wait time, which even though it's
short now.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It could bump back up again.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
So what uh so now come in and so we're
we were irritated about that. We're saying, oh, this is
this is garbage. You know, the two hundred dollars isn't
anything really. I mean back in the thirties it was
still two hundred dollars. It was basically like two thousand
dollars on that thing.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
So and so.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
We we we we genuinely felt terrible because you know,
it wasn't it wasn't it ever about the money. This
was about the registration, all that paperwork, all that kind
of stuff, and the man still had their their control overs. Well,
there might be some three D chests going on with
that bill.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
And you know what I mean by this.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Is they didn't say they did what they did and
taking away the two hundred dollars and guess what with that,
they took the framework of the NFA out.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, you look at it, he said, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
The only reason why we have the NFA of all
is because it's a tax thing.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
If you take away the tax from it, what do
you have? You have nothing.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
You have no constitutional authority because their only constitutional authority
to register and do all the paperwork and that kind
of stuff was the taxing.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Now they don't have the money.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, And as we were talking about this before the show,
what was amazing I hadn't looked at it from that perspective.
Is we're griping and complaining because yeah, two inundred bucks
stour inter Bucks, no big deal. But we were hoping
we're getting rid of the registration. But now we look
at it from a different set of prisms on this. Now,

(23:41):
getting rid of the tax stamp, getting rid of the
two hundred dollars, whether it's two hundred dollars four hundred dollars,
we're getting rid of that changes the dynamics on this
big time.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
If they had even left it at one dollar bill,
we wouldn't have a leg to stand on on this thing.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
And when I say stand on, there are two that
I count right now.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
There are two legal actions against this the whole NFA
right now, against the ATF essentially.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And they are brought by some.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I'm so happy that we're all playing nicely together in
the same sandbox. So Chris Brown, it's Brown VATF and
this is the one of them. And then there's also
Silencer Shop VATF in a different District Quarter Court.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
But it's got Chris Brown. It's National Rifle.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Association, So the NRA Firearms Policy Coalition, which great group,
FPC fire Arms Policy Coalition.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
They do some great social media too.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
The Second Amendment Foundation and the American Suppressor Association, The
Second Amendment Foundation or SAF also associated with the Citizens
Committee for the Right to Keep Their Arms, which you
know what, I'm going to take this opportunity to plug
gun Rights Falsey Conference just because I think.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
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Speaker 1 (25:05):
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the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep in Bear
Arms is coming to Utah next month the end of
next month, September twenty sixth to the twenty eighth.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
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Speaker 1 (25:20):
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It's going to be over at the I think it's
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Speaker 2 (25:42):
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Speaker 1 (25:43):
Get your information, get your facts, get your make contacts
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that information that you can do that. Everything is free,
by the way, too. Fantastic speakers at this event, and

(26:04):
we are kind of in charge of well, we are
part of helping g RPC Second Amendment Foundation get volunteers.
Go to Utah Shooting Sports Council dot org sign up
or go to We don't really have a sign up,
do we, but if you email us, yeah, email the
board and say that you want to help. I've already
had people contacting me and I'm sending them off to Randall.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, we're actually keeping a list on that and so
we'll we'll reply back to you. But we appreciate those
that have signed up already. It's super exciting, and you know,
as we get closer to the event, well we'll send
out more information.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I've been checking in.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
At least at least a couple of times a week
with Jennifer at the Second Amendment Foundation and we're still
trying to get I wish if if Mike Lee's chief
of staff would give me a call back, because I
do have his actual number.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
But I don't want to use it. I want to
be very careful with this, but.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
We're trying to get Mike to speak at this because
that's one of the typical.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Things about grpcs.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
If especially well only if they have a friendly or
a good two way kind of person, Senator, we bring
them in and speak at the conference very briefly. So anyway,
that's like I said September twenty sixth to the twenty eighth.
So they are part of, along with National Rifle Association
Fire and Policy Coalition, the National Suppressor Association I think

(27:32):
it was called, in bringing a lawsuit, in bringing one
of the two lawsuits that I can see on the
against the NFA scheme, and they're doing.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
It with exactly what we just said.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
We've taken the framework, we've taken the guts, we've taken
the legitimacy out of the NFA by taking away the
tax the tax money. And uh so, like I said,
there's two it takes a while to get through these
court cases and that kind of stuff. Is it automatically
going to go to the United States Supreme Court? No,
of course not, but it'll take a while. But I

(28:14):
cannot see how they would have to completely restructure this
and basically say, oh no, this is a gun control
thing and reverse years and years of of precedent.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Okay, So I got a question for you. Got we
got a few minutes here, what happens to the form?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Now?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Where are they going to put? What are they going
to put in the place of a tax stamp?

Speaker 1 (28:42):
So, if you're used to the form one or form
fours or twos and threes and all that kind of stuff,
you literally had a liquem stickham stamp and the stamp,
you know, like we get stay well, used used to
be the stamps would say.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Fifteen, what stamp you mailing?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
What was the what was the smallest amount that you remember?
You're a boomer, You're a boomer bill anyway, so am I?
So anyway, the stamp literally says two hundred dollars in
the corner, and it's all I mean, it's it's printed
kind of like you know, all the motif on a

(29:22):
dollar bill.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
But it's a it's a stamp, it's a it's a
good sized stamp.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's you know, three times the size of a regular
postage stamp. I guess you could say, and but it
literally says, I think US Treasury Department. And then it's
two hundred dollars, and then for the aows it was
only five dollars, but it's still a tax. What are
we going to and the and they had a little place,
you know, a fix your tax stamp here, and then
they would cancel it. They would put the little you know, Okay,

(29:47):
it's been canceled.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's you know, that kind of stuff. What are they
going to put in that corner? Now? What do you
think she should put in the corner?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I have a couple ideas.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I'm thinking a happy face emoji.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Maybe a happy face emoji or I heart NTF. Yeah
that would be kind of fun. But but yeah, now,
I mean on these new forms, they do electronics, so
there's no physical stamp or stick them on there. But yeah,

(30:24):
well they need to do something.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I think there is what's happening.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, so that takes place if if, if nothing goes awry,
it happens January first, the essentially the beginning of the
new tax year. It starts January first.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
You don't have to pay them anymore. Now here's a question.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Should you order your suppressor or short reld rifle now
and still pay the two hundred dollars or wait until
after January first? And get in line behind everybody that's
gonna say, oh, is it worth the is it worth
the two hundred dollars?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Do not have to wait? Well?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
And maybe I'll lead you into this segue for Sportsman's
If you've got a firearm that needs a threaded barrel,
now's a good time to get it over there before
you know, and then you can buy your suppressor after.
So there's your intes you can and.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Get it over to the gunsmith at Sportsmen's Warehouse, Thank you,
Bill sixteen thirty South fifty seventy West in Salt Lake City.
Can MC call it at a one three zero four
eighty seventy eight one three zero four eighty seventy or
take it into any of the over one hundred and
forty six Sportsmen's Warehouse locations. But whatever you need to

(31:36):
have happened to your firearm. Uh, maybe you don't even
know what's wrong with it, and they'll diagnose it for you.
If it's malfunctioning, if it's overgassing or undergassing.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
It's really gassy, Maybe your powder fluid's down. Maybe you
need to top off your powder fluid.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
That yeah, that the Johnson valve could be out of
alignment or something.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
So yeah, they'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Anyways, get it over to the gunsmith, a sportsman's warehouse.
You can take it down to them, or take it
into any of the over one hundred and forty six
sportsman's warehouse locations at one near you. When we come back,
we have lots more to go.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Stay tuned, Bill, Hey Clark, before we go too far though, Hey,
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(32:35):
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cleaning guns.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
You ever bought it, you ever had a gun, and
you weren't just sure how to.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Take it apart clean it.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I'm assuming you're going to take it apart to clean
it or modified or something like that, and you're sitting
there with your screwdriver. Both clients, you're Phillips and Phillips,
and you got your rench, you got your pliers, you've
got your drummle, your drummll tool off there you are
essentially a gunsmith right there, and but you're not sure

(33:12):
where to begin to take it apart. And you ever
have you ever taken something apart like that, like a gun,
and actually not been able to put it back together?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
How do you know how you know? I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I bought a Japanese eight millimeter Namboo pistol, really cool,
iconic World War two, maybe back in the World War
One type pistol that was it was essentially the counterpart
to our nineteen eleven or the or the German p
thirty eight or something like that. Anyway, I couldn't figure

(33:46):
out how to take it apart. I could not figure
out how to take it apart. You know what I did?
I just started No, I didn't just start prying on
the thing. I went to YouTube. Oh yeah, I went
to YouTube. And I got to tell you what I
tell my students, and that is, there's always going to
be if you don't know how to take something apart,
or you don't know how to modify, or you don't

(34:06):
how to do this. There's always some fourty year old
guy living in his mom's basement that has nothing better
to do than make a YouTube video on how to take.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Apart that gun exactly with a cell phone. Holding a
cell phone in one hand while they're taking it apart
in the other hand. Drive me crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
They do have some good information, and yeah, I went
through two or three different videos, but I found out
how to do it. And I'll tell you, I have
actually stumbled across little tips and tricks on standard firearms
that I know very well how to take apart in
that that they have.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Given me some insight.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
And you got to you really, if you're cleaning your gun,
you got to know how to take it apart. And
when I say take it apart, I mean field strip,
I do not mean detailed strip like a like an armor.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
However, you know, I went to.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I went to a class and I became a certified
block armorer and smith or AR fifteen armorer for COLT
and that kind of stuff, and those things lapse. And
I remember it was two days for the BLOCK one
and at least two days for the AR one and that.
But essentially it didn't make me a gun smith. It

(35:20):
just told me how to take them apart completely and
put them back together. And so somebody says, can you
fix the glock? I says, I can take them apart
and replace parts. I don't fix them. I may replace
a part in that kind of thing. But you have
you ever gone on YouTube to uh.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Oh yeah, years ago? I had questions on nineteen eleven's
taking them apart?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
How come we don't just go to the owner's manual.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Because the owner's manual doesn't really tell you how to
take them apart. They're more firearms safety, how to load it,
how to inspect it, that type of thing, And they
might give you a few oil here places, you know,
or something like that, and they talk about gun maintenance and.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Keeping, not a nineteen eleven's come apart the same way. No,
some you literally need a tool for.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, And so yeah, it's yeah. But YouTube videos are
great if you get the right video. And usually if
you're in you know you're checking out a gun one
to buy, you're gonna be using YouTube. You're going to
do influences also go you know, if you're you're looking
at buying a new gun and you know it's the

(36:36):
new U Springfield or whatever. Go look and see how
they clean them too, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well, also you can sometimes oftentimes you can go to
the company's website.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, it's a great point.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, and and actually look on those and they'll they'll
have a video on there.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
How often should you clean your gun? Well, this getsassinating.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Whenever I hear cleaning, I always think also lubricating, because
cleaning is not lubricating.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
You've got a Luberto. I don't inspect it some part,
and so every should taken it apart.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I think every time you shoot it, in.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
My personal opinion, every time you shoot it, you should
take it apart.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well, I'm shot for those that like to conceal carry
and they don't shoot that farm often you clean that gun,
You'll be surprised how much pocket link you get on
all that fun stuff. Hey Clark, it's been great, But
I hope you have a great weekend. I know I'm
gonna have a great